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windowlicker 10-05-2003, 07:27 PM Dan Snyder just passed away.
Its all about the concequences of our actions folks. I saw Dany play in Madison for the University of Wisconsin and knew there was something special about him. He comes into the league, and in his second year shows just what a hockey player he is, and what he will become. A young team going in the right direction with 2 franchise snipers and a proven coach.
And then, one car trip back changes everything.
Heatly was going to be something special. (I still think he will be good, If he ever gets back on the ice)
He caused someones death with wrecklessness. You never fully recover from that.
windowlicker 10-05-2003, 07:36 PM I hope all NHL teams and the head office honor the memory of Dan Snyder and (somehow) dedicate this season to him. What a %&^$ waste. A stupid decision on part of a young guy with a car built for speed.
Snyder was my age.
Just kind of brings everything into perspective.
mamettt 10-05-2003, 07:52 PM I feel just terrible...like someone has just pulled the rug out from underneath you, and all of a sudden you're left with nothing to grasp on to, no reality that's real. The reports had been somewhat positive over the last few days, and than this happens...my prayers go out to Dan Snyder's friends and families, as well as to Danny Healtey's, although for seperate reason. Heatley will get the punishment that's given to him, and he deserves it. Dan Snyder was a father, a son, and a good person, and now he's gone, partially or fully because of Heatley. Heatley made a bad bad mistake, and has to pay the consequences. However, I am not going to demonize dany heatley; I do not feel he's a bad person, I think he's a good person who made a bad mistake...often times, the worst mistakes don't come from clear cut bad guys. I feel for the guilt heatley will have to endure, and the process of getting his life back in order, without mentioning whatver happens in his career. This is a complex moral situation, and I am no therapist or lawyer...I can only say what I feel.
RIP Dan Snyder, I hope you've found a better place.
Cerebral 10-05-2003, 07:58 PM I think [Heatley's] a good person who made a bad mistake...
I think that's the main point right there.
hackey 10-05-2003, 08:00 PM Hopefully this tragic event puts everything in perspective and the boys controlling the results of the CBA get their ***** together and settle their petty little pissing contest. The game, the league, the fans deserve it. Now open your fu*cken eyes and get the CBA done.
elphy101 10-05-2003, 08:04 PM I feel for Dan Snyder's family but at the same time I can't help but feel sorry for Danny Heatley. He will forever have to live with the fact that he killed someone. Unfortunately, he will pay bigtime for the rest of his life for one mistake.
He wasn't drinking and driving. He was just speeding. I know it was wrong and wreckless. And yet, I can say I've driven 130 KM/hour before and I'm sure a good portion of the readers here have done that at some point in their lives.
I cannot imagine what Heatley going thru as he is lying in that hospital bed trying to cope with that one mistake. He deserves the punishment that he receives in terms of jail time, but I think it's safe to say dealing with the guilt of killing a teammate and friend will be far more punishment that the courts could ever provide. My prayers will be with both families after this horrible horrible incident.
windowlicker 10-05-2003, 08:12 PM Hopefully this tragic event puts everything in perspective and the boys controlling the results of the CBA get their ***** together and settle their petty little pissing contest. The game, the league, the fans deserve it. Now open your fu*cken eyes and get the CBA done.
HEy, thats like saying Comrie, Gaborik and Havlat should just quit their hold outs and sign because of what happened to Snyder???
THis is not about Hockey, THis is about Life. this has Nothing to do with any CBA talks or holdouts or the fact owners and the players dont agree on a luxury tax or entry contracts. DONT EVEN pretend to talk about that right now and right here.
This is about a young life that was cut short.
in the end, hockey is just a sport.
HEy, thats like saying Comrie, Gaborik and Havlat should just quit their hold outs and sign because of what happened to Snyder???
THis is not about Hockey, THis is about Life. this has Nothing to do with any CBA talks or holdouts or the fact owners and the players dont agree on a luxury tax or entry contracts. DONT EVEN pretend to talk about that right now and right here.
This is about a young life that was cut short.
in the end, hockey is just a sport.
WELL SAID!!!!!
Waveburner 10-05-2003, 08:17 PM I feel for Dan Snyder's family but at the same time I can't help but feel sorry for Danny Heatley. He will forever have to live with the fact that he killed someone. Unfortunately, he will pay bigtime for the rest of his life for one mistake.
He wasn't drinking and driving. He was just speeding. I know it was wrong and wreckless. And yet, I can say I've driven 130 KM/hour before and I'm sure a good portion of the readers here have done that at some point in their lives.
I cannot imagine what Heatley going thru as he is lying in that hospital bed trying to cope with that one mistake. My prayers will be with both families after this horrible horrible incident.
Yes but have they driven 130km/h through a residential area? I have some sympathy for him too, but don't try to downplay the sheer idiocy of what he did. His passenger lost his life, not Heatley. All I really hope is that Heatley does not receive special treatment, and that the league finds a way to honor Dan Snyder's memory.
PiliPili 10-05-2003, 08:36 PM Sad news.
Let's all remember to wear our seat belts next time as well. Accidents happen, no doubt this lays heavily on Dany's heart too right now, but Snyder could've/should've been wearing his seatbelt. It's all so irrelevant though. Sad day.
MrMackey 10-05-2003, 08:40 PM Hopefully this tragic event puts everything in perspective and the boys controlling the results of the CBA get their ***** together and settle their petty little pissing contest. The game, the league, the fans deserve it. Now open your fu*cken eyes and get the CBA done.
Holly crap... talk about the wrong time and place to bring up the CBA. That's terrible.
Thoughts and prayers to the Snyder family.
Burke's Evil Spirit 10-05-2003, 08:41 PM Sad news.
Let's all remember to wear our seat belts next time as well. Accidents happen, no doubt this lays heavily on Dany's heart too right now, but Snyder could've/should've been wearing his seatbelt. It's all so irrelevant though. Sad day.
Snyder was wearing a seatbelt.
Also, jail time is not certain...he can plea-bargain and get a misdemeanour charge filed. Or something.
I agree with the consensus...Heatley's a good kid who made a bad mistake...but he should pay for that mistake.
LoudmouthHemskyFan#2 10-05-2003, 08:46 PM I feel terrible for the Snyder family...especially his kids...its hard growing up without a dad. Now they will have to put up with it too. Heatley should not be treated any differently then if it was Joe Dirt driving that car, unfortunatly he will. Heatley was a great hockey players but deserves some jail time like anyone else would.
RIP Dan Snyder
hackey 10-05-2003, 08:50 PM HEy, thats like saying Comrie, Gaborik and Havlat should just quit their hold outs and sign because of what happened to Snyder???
THis is not about Hockey, THis is about Life. this has Nothing to do with any CBA talks or holdouts or the fact owners and the players dont agree on a luxury tax or entry contracts. DONT EVEN pretend to talk about that right now and right here.
This is about a young life that was cut short.
in the end, hockey is just a sport.
No one cares if you live in a fish bowl man. To these guys and everyone else involved in hockey at the professional level, Hockey is thier damn life. Let me repeat - this is their damn life. Anything and everything that happens this year, as unimportant as your little post here to a death of one of thier own is fuc*en life. They live and breath it everyday.
If the CBA does not get done, it is affecting thier livelihood. This is what they do in life. Thier life profession. So get a grip if you think this death of a young man doesn't tie into the bigger picture.
Guy Flaming 10-05-2003, 08:55 PM Heatley's a good kid who made a bad mistake...but he should pay for that mistake.
Agreed but a big part of me believes that there is nothing society can do to punish him more than the plain truth that living with what he did cost someone their life.
No punishment Dany receives will be harder on him than what he's got to live with for the rest of his life. I couldn't even begin to imagine what he has to be going through right now.
This is a tragic story all around. One life ended way too soon and many others are forever changed for the worse. Sad sad sad.
LoudmouthHemskyFan#2 10-05-2003, 08:56 PM No one cares if you live in a fish bowl man. To these guys and everyone else involved in hockey at the professional level, Hockey is thier damn life. Let me repeat - this is their damn life. Anything and everything that happens this year, as unimportant as your little post here to a death of one of thier own is fuc*en life. They live and breath it everyday.
If the CBA does not get done, it is affecting thier livelihood. This is what they do in life. Thier life profession. So get a grip if you think this death of a young man doesn't tie into the bigger picture.
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM BUDDY....a man just died and he did virtually nothing wrong...if someone works at safeway and dies from something like this, they dont care about a sale next week or anything...get a grip buddy...im sure that if you knew someone that died from something as tragic as this im sure you wouldnt want anyone talking about their work. once again...GET A GRIP
Narnia 10-05-2003, 09:14 PM WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM BUDDY....a man just died and he did virtually nothing wrong...if someone works at safeway and dies from something like this, they dont care about a sale next week or anything...get a grip buddy...im sure that if you knew someone that died from something as tragic as this im sure you wouldnt want anyone talking about their work. once again...GET A GRIP
Well said LMHF#2. It's just a game. There are other things more important than a game. The link posted tells us of what is important.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam031003/nhl_edm1-sun.html
Yanner39 10-06-2003, 02:49 AM Woke up this morning and heard on TSN and man, it was like getting punched in the stomach. Dan Snyder had to work hard to get where he is only to have this happen. Saddess story I've heard in a while. I was commenting to to my wife on how Heatly made a mistake and he deserves everything coming to him. But it's a damn shame that 2 lives are ruined because of this. I pretty much voice what other here has said: Heatly's a good guy that made a mistake.
dawgbone 10-06-2003, 04:22 AM Guys, as tragic as it is, let's not make Dan Snyder into a saint here. It wouldn't suprise me at all if he had asked Heatley to give her a little.
In the end, Heatley made the mistake, but it isn't like Snyder is an innocent victim here (well, he could be or he couldn't be, we may never really know).
choppystride 10-06-2003, 05:59 AM Guys, as tragic as it is, let's not make Dan Snyder into a saint here. It wouldn't suprise me at all if he had asked Heatley to give her a little.
In the end, Heatley made the mistake, but it isn't like Snyder is an innocent victim here (well, he could be or he couldn't be, we may never really know).
I agree. This whole thing seems like two young men trying to have some fun going on a joyride.
On a different night, it might very well have been Snyder testing out his his buddy's big toy with Heatley in the passenger seat.
But then of course it's pure speculation on my part.
momentai 10-06-2003, 06:07 AM Guys, as tragic as it is, let's not make Dan Snyder into a saint here. It wouldn't suprise me at all if he had asked Heatley to give her a little.
In the end, Heatley made the mistake, but it isn't like Snyder is an innocent victim here (well, he could be or he couldn't be, we may never really know).
Well, we shouldn't try to villify Dan either. The fact of the matter is that even *if* Dan was egging Heater on, it's ultimately up to Dany to actually drive the car. The driver carries the blame regardless of his passengers' actions.
Dany did something horrible. And he's going to pay for it whether that be jail time, a pounding on his physical career, or his mental psyche... Let's just let it rest. Heatley has more important things to worry about than hockey...
momentai 10-06-2003, 06:10 AM No one cares if you live in a fish bowl man. To these guys and everyone else involved in hockey at the professional level, Hockey is thier damn life. Let me repeat - this is their damn life. Anything and everything that happens this year, as unimportant as your little post here to a death of one of thier own is fuc*en life. They live and breath it everyday.
If the CBA does not get done, it is affecting thier livelihood. This is what they do in life. Thier life profession. So get a grip if you think this death of a young man doesn't tie into the bigger picture.
No. You're overgeneralizing here. Hockey is NOT their life. It is merely a large part of it. Hockey players are people like any others... If they don't have hockey to turn to for financial support, they'll make do somewhere else. Being with their families, friends... taking care of their children. THAT IS LIFE.
joechip 10-06-2003, 07:51 AM Snyder was wearing a seatbelt.
Also, jail time is not certain...he can plea-bargain and get a misdemeanour charge filed. Or something.
I agree with the consensus...Heatley's a good kid who made a bad mistake...but he should pay for that mistake.
And, I'm sure that he is paying.... right now. Whatever the state does to Heatley will be nothing in comparision to what he'll do to himself. Putting Dany in jail will not bring Dan Snyder back, nor will it assuage his family's pain. Dany's responsibility, at this point, is to those he's harmed, namely Dan Synder's family, not the State of Georgia (and by extension us) who will do nothing but aggrandize their own power over this.
If he's truly a great kid (which I have no reason to believe he is not) he will offer himself in the full serivce of Dan's widow and children for as long as they require of him. That is true penance for his mistake. They are the ones with a greivance and they should set the terms of his punishment. Putting him in jail will do nothing but short-circuit that process and delay, if not, impede forever the healing/restitution process. How does locking him up repair the damage he's done? The punishment doesn't fit the crime in my mind.
I have nothing but the sincerest condolenesces for Dan's family and wish them all the best going forward. I am so very sorry for their loss.
This is such a sad situation, mostly because it was so avoidable. Snyder should be preparing for the regular season and enjoying the rewards of his hard work by fulfilling a dream to play in the NHL. Instead of seeing if Heatley can challenge for the Art Ross or Rocket Richard trophy, the guy’s life is falling apart because of one very brief, very dumb decision. I can’t imagine what is going on in this guy’s head right now – the guilt and weight of what has happened, the loss of a friend by his actions, and the grief of his family and of Dan Snyder’s family. And now, knowing he may be looking at a lengthy and painful trial and possibly jail time, it must be just brutal.
I’m not saying he should be let off easy or whatever. The law will deal with him appropriately, I’m sure. I just can’t imagine what he’s going through, knowing how such a brief moment in time can change his life so quickly, from living the dream to living in a nightmare.
Tragic situation for all involved. I wonder how the Thrasher organization will react, as this has to be a huge blow for a young, close team. I got the feeling they were pretty enthusiastic about this season being a breakthrough for them, so I’m not sure where they go from here… I can’t imagine any of them are looking forward to start the regular season right now after this.
dawgbone 10-06-2003, 09:46 AM Well, we shouldn't try to villify Dan either. The fact of the matter is that even *if* Dan was egging Heater on, it's ultimately up to Dany to actually drive the car. The driver carries the blame regardless of his passengers' actions.
Dany did something horrible. And he's going to pay for it whether that be jail time, a pounding on his physical career, or his mental psyche... Let's just let it rest. Heatley has more important things to worry about than hockey...
Hey momentai, you are preaching to the choir here. I agree 100%, that in the end Heatley made the decision and is ultimately responsible, but I just wanted to offer a little perspective here.
Yosemite Sam 10-06-2003, 12:20 PM This from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
"The average sentence for vehicular homicide in Georgia is about 7.4 years, said Gwinnett County District Attorney Danny Porter.
Porter noted the chances of conviction would be enhanced if Heatley was shown to be legally drunk at the time of the accident."
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/thrashers/1003/06snyder.html
Man. Having made my share of mistakes, I feel terrible for Heatley. Lucky for me and probably most of you, the stupid things we did when we were young did not turn out this way. And I'm not only talking about the legal ramifications, of course. The kid will never be the same.
windowlicker 10-06-2003, 01:42 PM No one cares if you live in a fish bowl man. To these guys and everyone else involved in hockey at the professional level, Hockey is thier damn life. Let me repeat - this is their damn life. Anything and everything that happens this year, as unimportant as your little post here to a death of one of thier own is fuc*en life. They live and breath it everyday.
If the CBA does not get done, it is affecting thier livelihood. This is what they do in life. Thier life profession. So get a grip if you think this death of a young man doesn't tie into the bigger picture.
instead of lacing my reply with obscenities, ill simply state that your reply speaks for itself in its Incredible narrow-mindedness. i think people like you come to boards like this looking for a fight or argument.
(But oh boy, re-reading what you wrote,, im SOOO tempted to Really reply to your "intelligent" point of view)
And, I'm sure that he is paying.... right now. Whatever the state does to Heatley will be nothing in comparision to what he'll do to himself. Putting Dany in jail will not bring Dan Snyder back, nor will it assuage his family's pain. Dany's responsibility, at this point, is to those he's harmed, namely Dan Synder's family, not the State of Georgia (and by extension us) who will do nothing but aggrandize their own power over this.
If he's truly a great kid (which I have no reason to believe he is not) he will offer himself in the full serivce of Dan's widow and children for as long as they require of him. That is true penance for his mistake. They are the ones with a greivance and they should set the terms of his punishment. Putting him in jail will do nothing but short-circuit that process and delay, if not, impede forever the healing/restitution process. How does locking him up repair the damage he's done? The punishment doesn't fit the crime in my mind.
I have nothing but the sincerest condolenesces for Dan's family and wish them all the best going forward. I am so very sorry for their loss.
Hi all,
it truly is a sad day and our thoughts and prayers should be with the Snyders. Anyhow I have been reading through all the posts and for the most part everyone has their heart and mind in the right place save a few individuals who lack common sense whom I won't waste a breath on. Not that it makes any difference whatsoever, but Dan Snyder was not married nor did he have any kids. This was a guy who was completely dedicated to making the bigs. I am posting this just to clarify things, I work with Dan's second cousin and have received this clarification first hand and wanted to clear it up.
Anyhow, our prayers and condolances go out to the family, it's a damn shame...
momentai 10-06-2003, 03:34 PM Hey momentai, you are preaching to the choir here. I agree 100%, that in the end Heatley made the decision and is ultimately responsible, but I just wanted to offer a little perspective here.
I know. I remember... hell freezing over right? Still, I don't think that ther'es any justifcation in trying to accuse Dan Snyder of any wrong doing. Anything he might have done in that car is greatly overshadowed by Heatley's driving and thus, responsibility. I just feel that it is wholly irrelevant if Dan Snyder was whooping it up in the passenger seat or not. Frankly, I don't think it matters.
Izzy4Real 10-06-2003, 04:34 PM HEy, thats like saying Comrie, Gaborik and Havlat should just quit their hold outs and sign because of what happened to Snyder???
THis is not about Hockey, THis is about Life. this has Nothing to do with any CBA talks or holdouts or the fact owners and the players dont agree on a luxury tax or entry contracts. DONT EVEN pretend to talk about that right now and right here.
This is about a young life that was cut short.
in the end, hockey is just a sport.
Holly crap... talk about the wrong time and place to bring up the CBA. That's terrible.
Thoughts and prayers to the Snyder family.
Well said, and good god, do I ever agree
No one cares if you live in a fish bowl man. To these guys and everyone else involved in hockey at the professional level, Hockey is thier damn life. Let me repeat - this is their damn life. Anything and everything that happens this year, as unimportant as your little post here to a death of one of thier own is fuc*en life. They live and breath it everyday.
If the CBA does not get done, it is affecting thier livelihood. This is what they do in life. Thier life profession. So get a grip if you think this death of a young man doesn't tie into the bigger picture.
WTF are you talking about though? No offense, but hockey as big as a profession and passion it is to ANY is just that - a profession and a passion.
Life has many things to offer before hockey, Love, Friends, Family, Religion, and many other things including LIFE ITSELF which is exactly what was taken from Danny Snyder, I seriously doubt looking in from the afterlife he's hoping this brings order in the CBA. And I also seriously doubt that when Comrie heard the news he said "Oh, I better sign" I hope he did exactly what I did which was prove for Snyders soul.
Hockey is not "Their Damn Life", it is simply a facet of it, I'm sure there are some people in the league who have lost their passion, for ****s sake look at Alexandre Daigle. If you heard about this tragedy and thought of the CBA, I'll pray for your soul tonight as well.
Now, I agree with everyone, Dany was a good man who had shortcomings, and also (it would seem) moments of absolute idiocy. Yah, I've been a passenger to my brother going 135 km/h down the high way, and I told him to slow his *** down, but doing it in a residential area, in a suburb? that is stupid, and he knew the concequences of his actions when he did it.
Obviously, he didnt expect Dan Snyder to die, but Dan did die. Its a reality that he has to face for the rest of his life. He took from the world, as Bettman said, "A loving brother, and son, a dedicated teammate, and a great individual" Snyder worked for everything he got in the NHL, and people can say Dany Heatley is a great hockey player - AND HE IS - but if Snyder was in the NHL he sure as hell was too.
I send prayers to Dany Heatley, and hope he can overcome this tragic time.
I Send my prayers, my love, and my condolences to Dan Snyder, his friends and his family, and all who knew him personally. I send my hope for Dan to have a peaceful and enjoyable afterlife.
Hairball 10-06-2003, 05:36 PM Holly crap... talk about the wrong time and place to bring up the CBA. That's terrible.
Thoughts and prayers to the Snyder family.
The way I took the post was that these kids have too much time and money on their hands and the solution for that is somewhere in the new CBA. Recklesss behaviour is the result and now a death. I'm not denying that the conversation could be better directed, but I thought that it was related in a way.
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