Who Will Lead Rookie D-men In Points?

HOCKEY_GURU
10-06-2003, 11:22 AM
Heres Are Some Names I Like So Far (tho Not Sure If Theyll Make Their Teams)

Hamhuis
Pitkanen
Daley
Kronwall
Bergeron
Zidlicky
Kondratiev
Erhoff
Jillson (still A Rookie?)
(any Others?)

Maybe If You Can Rank Their Order (this Year) Or If U Dont Think Theyll Make The Team And Their Possible Point Projections This Year

Baron Von Shark
10-06-2003, 11:23 AM
Add Ehrhoff to the list.

SmokeyClause
10-06-2003, 11:36 AM
I would say Zidlicky. If the preseason is any indication, he will be in the Preds top 4 and will be a first team PPer. That's how you get points.

Hamhuis probably won't make the team. He's only their because they are resting Kloucek's knee. When Kloucek is deemed healthy to play (any day now), Hamhuis will be sent to Milwaukee. Considering how good a camp he had, the Preds defense might not be so bad after all.

Biscuit Bullet
10-06-2003, 11:48 AM
Eminger will be playing top 4 minutes, with some pp time likely.

Vlad The Impaler
10-06-2003, 11:53 AM
He's the guy who has been hyped and the high draft pick... but I'm still going to go with him: Joni Pitkanen.

-Extremely talented

-Will see PP time

-Is on a pretty good team

Offensively, I think he'll be ahead of the pack.

Bring_Bak_Damphousse
10-06-2003, 12:23 PM
He's the guy who has been hyped and the high draft pick... but I'm still going to go with him: Joni Pitkanen.

-Extremely talented

-Will see PP time

-Is on a pretty good team

Offensively, I think he'll be ahead of the pack.


I`d like to say Komisarek will lead all rookie defenceman but he might not even start with the Habs. I`m gonna go with Pitkanen

And Jillson isn`t a rookie anymore.

Jori
10-06-2003, 12:26 PM
John-Michael Liles (Colorado) might be up for some consideration . He should see some time on the PP (most likely the second PP unit).

Dr Love
10-06-2003, 12:30 PM
He's the guy who has been hyped and the high draft pick... but I'm still going to go with him: Joni Pitkanen.

-Extremely talented

-Will see PP time

-Is on a pretty good team

Offensively, I think he'll be ahead of the pack.

Agreed. Given his situation he will have quite the opportunity to put up points. He will be an integral part of the Flyers offense from the blueline all season, and depending on his progression his duties will increase as the season goes on.

HOCKEY_GURU
10-06-2003, 03:37 PM
Add Ehrhoff to the list.
thought i had him..or did i mispell his name? :D

ukyo
10-06-2003, 05:11 PM
I'll say Ehrhoff. Out of all the rookie defensemen out there, he's by far the least shy about letting off a shot. If preseason is any indication, he's gonna top 225 shots easily, and he may be playing the top PP unit (definitely while Stuart is out).

My (completely speculative) list would look like:

Ehrhoff
John Vandermeer on Philly (if he stays on the team the whole season)
Zidlicky
Bergeron (unless Edm does what they did last year with York on the point alongside Brewer)
Kronwall

Ehrhoff may top 30-35 pts, but I'll guess that that's about it. He seems to me to be the most mature out of the group.

Sorry, I don't see Liles getting very much ice time at all this season around Blake, Foote, Morris, Skoula, McAllister, and Skrastins, let alone PP time.

It seems that Eminger is going to be playing at the Brendan Witt school of defense this season. They don't teach PP quarterbacking skills there, so not too many points from him.

Pitkanen is gonna be really good in a few years. Not this year though. From what I saw in preseason, it looks like he's biding his time learning the league and such. It will pay off big time for Philly in a few years.

Bergeron could be a dark horse in the scoring race, but if Edmonton goes with York and Brewer at the point on the first PP unit, he's not going to be doing all that much scoring. Plus, I have a feeling at some point he's going to get benched because he's uhh... not too good at defense.

Kronwall looked good too, but like Liles, he's also stuck behind a glut of defensemen. I'd expect him to perform similar to how Bykov did last season.

I know nothing about Daley or Kondratiev.

Popovic might be on the list too, but I don't know about his roster status.

#37-#93-#27*
10-06-2003, 05:58 PM
Jillson really impressed me against the Rangers so I'll pick him. Made one of the best moves I've ever seen any rookie do that game, spun around Rucinsky and rifled a shot top shelf about 30 feet out.

Nikkowar
10-06-2003, 06:04 PM
John Vandermeer on Philly (if he stays on the team the whole season)


It's Jim Vandermeer ;) and maybe so,either him or Pitkanen

I_r_1337
10-06-2003, 06:36 PM
eminger

Hitman*
10-06-2003, 06:50 PM
Pitkanen, Ehrhoff or Eminger.

If Colaiacovo plays with the big club, he could have a shot too.

Zodiac
10-06-2003, 07:03 PM
John-Michael Liles (Colorado) might be up for some consideration . He should see some time on the PP (most likely the second PP unit).



I'll say Liles as well. ;)

MN_Gopher
10-06-2003, 09:14 PM
Paul Martin

Wild Bill
10-06-2003, 09:27 PM
Pitkanen will get more minutes and all the pub, but when it is all said and done I think Paul Martin will end up with the most. Jersey's PP was terrible last year and I could see him getting significant time there. Eminger has the potential to, but we probably won't see him pinch as much as others because of how bad the Caps D might be in their own zone.

kruezer
10-06-2003, 09:52 PM
I'll go with Eminger, I think he'll score more just from playing lotsa minutes, this guy always impresses me.

Surly Furious
10-07-2003, 06:17 AM
Travis Roche has played 5 games in his career, so he would still qualify as a rookie, no?

Given his rep as a power play quarterback, he might put up surprising totals.

Gags1288
10-07-2003, 11:31 AM
Pitkanen will get more minutes and all the pub, but when it is all said and done I think Paul Martin will end up with the most. Jersey's PP was terrible last year and I could see him getting significant time there. Eminger has the potential to, but we probably won't see him pinch as much as others because of how bad the Caps D might be in their own zone.

That's because Pitkanen's a much better player. If you saw Martin at all in preseason (which I did during two games), you would have seen a kid who didn't look like he was anything special. I'm not saying that he won't be good, he just isn't right now. Also, is he on the team? I thought Hale had the inside track. Pitkanen will get tons of pp time and a lot of ice time in general. The only thing that could hurt him is the amount of goals that the flyers score, which is why he may not be the highest scoring rookie defenseman.

Vatican Roulette
10-07-2003, 02:59 PM
Bergeron

From what i've seen of this kid, he will put up the totals.

I do not think he is the best of those d-men though, but he will lead the rookies in points this season(for defenseman that is)


just my opinion.

dulzhok
10-07-2003, 04:41 PM
Zidlicky has the best chance to be the point leader of the group this year. It's almost a given that he will be paired with Timonen on the first (and usually 2nd) powerpaly unit for the Predators. In addition, he's the eldest of the bunch, and by far, the most professionally proven of the bunch. Offensively, he's been a beast in Finland. His offensive abilities have been very noticable in NHL preseason games thus far.

thestonedkoala
10-07-2003, 04:45 PM
Travis Roche has played 5 games in his career, so he would still qualify as a rookie, no?

Given his rep as a power play quarterback, he might put up surprising totals.

*cough HOMER cough* Kidding Bookie but I'm not sold on Roche. He's not going to see a lot of time on the ice and I wager that he's going to be under the spotlight. Like I said in the preview, the camp is split on him. He'll need a quick start to really get any attention.

That and putting the puck in the net, is the only real thing he can do. Talk to Steve about that one :D

EroCaps
10-07-2003, 04:55 PM
Eminger or Pitkanen, minutes being the leading factor.

I know Steve is top 4, I'm not sure about Pitk.

Team_Spirit
10-07-2003, 05:08 PM
Travis Roche has played 5 games in his career, so he would still qualify as a rookie, no?

Given his rep as a power play quarterback, he might put up surprising totals.
Lydman was in the same situation ... we all know the results ...

psycho_dad
10-07-2003, 11:16 PM
Zidlicky, no question about it.

Minutes, age, experience and the team he plays on...

But I dont think he is calder eligible anymore. He should put up the most points out of rookie defensemen though.

Wild Bill
10-07-2003, 11:43 PM
That's because Pitkanen's a much better player. If you saw Martin at all in preseason (which I did during two games), you would have seen a kid who didn't look like he was anything special. I'm not saying that he won't be good, he just isn't right now. Also, is he on the team? I thought Hale had the inside track. Pitkanen will get tons of pp time and a lot of ice time in general. The only thing that could hurt him is the amount of goals that the flyers score, which is why he may not be the highest scoring rookie defenseman.
Pitkanen might be a better player overall, but I think the question was which rookie D-man would score the most points this year, not who was better. Paul might have not looked good to you in the two games you saw him but he has looked great in the 50+ Gopher games I've seen him in. Yeah, the WCHA is not the NHL, but what has Joni done to prove to be better? Nothing in the NHL. Basing it on their situations, like what I was trying to do, Paul Martin is in the better situation. He made the team, the Stanley Cup Champions I might add, and that's all he has been asked to do. Flyer fans have him surpassing Paul Coffey in his third year, and that's not going to happen. This kid won't be able to pick his nose :) without someone trying to put that booger in a jar and study it. Bobby Clarke is probably expecting 40 pts out of him and Lou Lam is probably expecting 14 pts out of Martin, maybe less. Totally different situations. Rookies + high pressure, usually = rough road.

Karamazov
10-07-2003, 11:53 PM
I'd have to go with Pitkanen, and my darkhorses would be either Holmqvist or Roche.

moosefan
10-08-2003, 08:43 AM
IMO the two this would come down to is Pitkanen and Daley (if he stays up). I would say Joni Pitkanen will lead rookie d-men in points, he is so in control of the game all the time and is able to take over a game from the back end which is a talent not too many have. He plays great defense but when comming down the ice his slick puck skills, great skating, vision and positioning and smarts allow him to create alot of offense every time he has the puck. I am a big Bouwmeester fan but I think if there is anyone with the talent to surpass Bouwmeester as the potential top d-man of the future in the NHL then I would say it is him.

But I think he will be the leader of points among rookie defensemen this year, with all that skill he is very poised and mature for his age as well which will help him adapt to the league this year better than most.

swflyers8*
10-08-2003, 09:09 AM
Joni Pitkanen easily.

Qubax
10-08-2003, 09:39 AM
I meanis Paul Martin really going to play the PP in front of Neidermayer and Rafalski...?

I kinda doubt it...

and 5 on 5 the expectations of the kid have to be even lower....

He might be a real good defenceman one day but he's not there yet and I am ure they'll send him down so that they do't stunt his growth...

in the meantime he's a 5, 6th D-man with 2nd PP time....Nothing to exciting in your Rookie year...as long as his rookie year lasts....

barrytrotzsneck
10-08-2003, 09:47 AM
zidlicky should outscore pitkanen. he did it last year in finland, and will probably see a lot more icetime than pitkanen. not to mention the age difference.

Missionhockey
10-09-2003, 12:59 PM
I meanis Paul Martin really going to play the PP in front of Neidermayer and Rafalski...?

I kinda doubt it...

and 5 on 5 the expectations of the kid have to be even lower....

He might be a real good defenceman one day but he's not there yet and I am ure they'll send him down so that they do't stunt his growth...

in the meantime he's a 5, 6th D-man with 2nd PP time....Nothing to exciting in your Rookie year...as long as his rookie year lasts....

Niedermayer and Rafalski were split up last night and Martin played on the first pp with Niedermayer.

#37-#93-#27*
10-09-2003, 02:19 PM
Jillson really impressed me against the Rangers so I'll pick him. Made one of the best moves I've ever seen any rookie do that game, spun around Rucinsky and rifled a shot top shelf about 30 feet out.Two goals in his first game. Not bad. :yo:

Cowboy
10-10-2003, 07:40 AM
I'm gonna go with Bergeron. He will get lots of PP time (thats the reason he made the team), he got an assist last night and was on for the oilers last 4 goals of the night.

HOCKEY_GURU
10-10-2003, 07:47 AM
Pitkanen, M A bergeron and Zidlicky get a point in their first game..i just happened to flip the channel to the nashville game just in time....zidlicky got one hell of an assist on their 3rd goal..IFhe plays like this all the time i think he will be top 10 defencemen this year in points....anyone watch pitkanen play? how did he play? i watched a bit of the oilers game( only watched about 15 minutes) and the few times i noticed Bergeron he was making quick crisp passes or blasting the puck at net so hard that the goalie was giving up the rebound..defensively he also seemed to hit given the chance i think he'll get at least 35 points this year.. just my hunch. ...darn too many games played at once ..hard to catch em all at once :D

HOCKEY_GURU
10-10-2003, 07:53 AM
I'm gonna go with Bergeron. He will get lots of PP time (thats the reason he made the team), he got an assist last night and was on for the oilers last 4 goals of the night.
I agree thats why he made the team, but i also heard people think size is his shortfall...thus people think he must be poor definsively, his coach was saying hes not as small as people think he is and is a very strong player.... i hope to watch him more soon so i can judge for myself :)

Gags1288
10-10-2003, 02:32 PM
Pitkanen, M A bergeron and Zidlicky get a point in their first game..i just happened to flip the channel to the nashville game just in time....zidlicky got one hell of an assist on their 3rd goal..IFhe plays like this all the time i think he will be top 10 defencemen this year in points....anyone watch pitkanen play? how did he play? i watched a bit of the oilers game( only watched about 15 minutes) and the few times i noticed Bergeron he was making quick crisp passes or blasting the puck at net so hard that the goalie was giving up the rebound..defensively he also seemed to hit given the chance i think he'll get at least 35 points this year.. just my hunch. ...darn too many games played at once ..hard to catch em all at once :D

I was at the flyers game and it was the third time that i've seen him play. His assist was on the pp, he had a real nice shot that went right to recchi who shot it into the open net. He could have had a few more points as he made an unbelievable pass to recchi who couldn't convert. He also made a great play to catch up to Amonte and make it a 2 on 1, but Amonte missed the net. He was a little nervous for his first game, but the talent is there and evident. He's going to get a lot of pp points, imo.