Will Almo be inducted....... [Archive]

Pinto

10-06-2003, 05:45 PM

Pinto

10-06-2003, 05:47 PM

Will he be inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame?? when he retires
GP G A P +/- PIM S S% PPG
TOTAL NHL 919 453 524 977 +79 414 2781 16.2 1.06

and counting........... plus he has a cup ring, i personally think without a doubt he will be there

p.l.f.

10-06-2003, 05:47 PM

dont even talk about this

loveshack2

10-06-2003, 05:58 PM

If for no other reason than he was the first Russian player to defect to the NHL, yes.

Stephen

10-06-2003, 06:52 PM

dont even talk about this

No, I don't think he will be there. He hasn't really ever been consistent dominant over the seasons, and as great of a talent that he is, he has had some very ordinary years. In terms of personal awards, he hasn't really won that much. And also, a lot of stars win the Stanley Cup.

Stephen

10-06-2003, 06:53 PM

No. I don't think he should.

think-blue-

10-06-2003, 06:55 PM

They'd probably have to kidnap him for the award ceremonies anyways.

:)

Rand

10-06-2003, 07:28 PM

If you ask me the NHL hands out HOF status WAY to easily as is.

DocHolliday

10-06-2003, 08:06 PM

He's borderline with his overall numbers but he's full of little nuggets that make him attractive to a voter. Cup ring, 70 goal season, highest scoring russian of all time....

If I were a betting man, I'd say he goes. Whether or not he deserves it really depends on how much longer he plays and at what level.

Epoch

10-07-2003, 02:12 AM

They'd probably have to kidnap him for the award ceremonies anyways.

:)

:lol:

Exactly what I was thinking!

nordique

10-07-2003, 03:49 AM

Will he be inducted inot the Hockey Hall of Fame??
GP G A P +/- PIM S S% PPG
TOTAL NHL 919 453 524 977 +79 414 2781 16.2 1.06

and counting........... plus he has a cup ring, i personally think without a doubt he will be there

Without a doubt? That's pretty strong. If Mogilny's in, that suddenly opens the door for guys like Selanne, Fedorov, Bure, et al. I'd argue that none of those foor, as of right now, should be in the HOF.

loveshack2

10-07-2003, 04:03 AM

Without a doubt? That's pretty strong. If Mogilny's in, that suddenly opens the door for guys like Selanne, Fedorov, Bure, et al. I'd argue that none of those foor, as of right now, should be in the HOF.

Not necessarily. I see what you're saying but Mogilny does have the distinction of being the first Russian defector and the all-time Russian scoring leader, something none of those guys can say (although Federov could theoretically still pass him in scoring). He also has a Cup ring which Bure and Selanne do not.

Federov I think will probably end up in the hall one day anyway. Being a part of 3 Stanley Cup teams and arguably the best all-around forward in the league over the last decade. He's still got several years left to play as well.

I dont think it's a "lock", but Im fairly certain he'll be in.

Joey24

10-07-2003, 05:28 AM

I wouldn't say he's a lock to make it to the hall.. But he is one of the best Russian players to ever play in the NHL and I think him being the first to defect and the hardship he went through in the process( I know there were others but he was the first so that took some Ballz) and he is still over a point a game player for his career thus far... I realy think he will be there if he has 2-3 more 75 + point seasons.

Sundinisagod

10-07-2003, 05:59 AM

I say he's in, a couple more good seasons should cement that. His accomplishments are impressive though somewhat underappreciated thanks to a few injuries and/or mediocre seasons, as well as not kissing up to the media...but, as already stated..

1) 1st Russian to defect
2) highest scoring russian
3) 70 goal season
4) skill level only surpassed by Gretzky and Lemieux
5) still a very dominant player/gamebreaker

nordique

10-07-2003, 06:02 AM

Not necessarily. I see what you're saying but Mogilny does have the distinction of being the first Russian defector and the all-time Russian scoring leader, something none of those guys can say (although Federov could theoretically still pass him in scoring). He also has a Cup ring which Bure and Selanne do not.

Federov I think will probably end up in the hall one day anyway. Being a part of 3 Stanley Cup teams and arguably the best all-around forward in the league over the last decade. He's still got several years left to play as well.

I dont think it's a "lock", but Im fairly certain he'll be in.

Does Mike Richter make it in for being the best U.S. goalie ever?

The all-time Russian scoring leader...what does that mean when Russians have only been in the NHL for about 10-15 years? Not a hell of a lot, to me.

To be a HALL OF FAMER, you should be regarded as one of the 10-15 best players in the league for a good chunk of your career, in my opinion. Mogilny sure was at first, but after 3-4 years he's settled into a role as an excellent secondary player. He's an all-world player with top talent, no doubt, but he hasn't really been a superstar player for 6-8 seasons.

What about Peter Bondra then?

monkey_00*

10-07-2003, 06:51 AM

I voted Yes............there's a couple of things that I looked at before deciding on my selection here...........

*First I looked up his stats and he currently sits at 977-points in the regular season....so he only needs 23-more points to reach the 1000-point mark.........

* Secondly he had that one season with Buffalo back in the 1992-93 season where he scored 76-goals........not too many others in NHL history had more than that in a single NHL season........so that's another Plus for Mogilny........

* next I think he's always played a big role for the Russian National team usually playing on their top line whenever he's suited up for Russia....helped them to win a few Gold medals as well...........

* He also played for a Stanley Cup winner in New Jersey.........

.........so for all these reasons and more I'd have to say YES for Mogilny into the Hall-of-Fame.

Vincent Vega

10-07-2003, 07:14 AM

You gotta have Mogilny there. He probabley wont go to the ceremony though. What was his excuse for not going to the the NHL awards?

:joker: Mogilny is ****ing hilarious.

Dar

10-07-2003, 07:32 AM

Won't be a first ballot, but I think he'll make it there. Nowadays it's all too easy to be inducted. Bure won't make it, like Kypreos said last night on Sportsnet he flashy, but not Hall of Fame worthy. Mogilny at least played both ends of the ice.

nordique

10-07-2003, 09:24 AM

Stephen

10-07-2003, 09:57 AM

Wow, are those ever weak standards for the Hall of Fame.

Seriously.

Mogilny doesn't deserve to be there.

Somebody gave a reason like 'skill level surpassed only by Gretzky and Lemieux' well doesn't that make him a HUGE underachiever?

Mogilny's had one 100 point season, 1 2 50+ goal seasons and 8 20 goal seasons. Those are good numbers, but I don't know how that should make him a Hall of Famer. Should Pierre Turgeon be a Hall of Famer?

Also, the Stanley Cup ring is nice, but it isn't exactly a testament to individual accomplishment.

loveshack2

10-07-2003, 10:27 AM

Wow, are those ever weak standards for the Hall of Fame.

But that's what it comes to these days. I just that Mogilny has too many little things that add up to him getting in. The Cup ring, the 1000 games and 1000 points (he could hit both this year), the 1st Russian, the highest scoring Russian, the career pt per game avg, the multiple all-star appearances, the 76 goals in 77 games, etc. No one thing stands out to say that he *has* to make it, but I think that when you consider it all together it's more than enough.

I dunno, It's always possible that he doesnt make it in but I would bet against that happening. Not that this has anything to do with the HOF, but that 76 goals really stood out to me. Considering that even Gretzky and Lemieux were only able to accomplish a goal-per-game twice each in their careers I think that might be his most outstanding achievement.

Sundinisagod

10-07-2003, 07:36 PM

Does Mike Richter make it in for being the best U.S. goalie ever?

The all-time Russian scoring leader...what does that mean when Russians have only been in the NHL for about 10-15 years? Not a hell of a lot, to me.

To be a HALL OF FAMER, you should be regarded as one of the 10-15 best players in the league for a good chunk of your career, in my opinion. Mogilny sure was at first, but after 3-4 years he's settled into a role as an excellent secondary player. He's an all-world player with top talent, no doubt, but he hasn't really been a superstar player for 6-8 seasons.

What about Peter Bondra then?

Where do you get this top 10-15 player stuff anyhow? I think he's been performing well for the past three seasons. Many nights last season, there was simply no stopping him and I'd rank his performance amongst the top 10-15...43 goals in Jersey not too shabby either. Leaf fans, enjoy while you can, you may never see such brilliant display of skill and intelligence ever again, atleast in a blue n white. In the here and now, I can't see how anyone (maybe Grapes) doesn't consider this guy a superstar. And one more notable credential, first player in TO to score more pts than Sundin.

nordique

10-07-2003, 08:24 PM

Where do you get this top 10-15 player stuff anyhow? I think he's been performing well for the past three seasons. Many nights last season, there was simply no stopping him and I'd rank his performance amongst the top 10-15...

Sure, he's been performing well.

But a HALL OF FAMER?

This is supposed to be for the ALL TIME GREAT PLAYERS IN THE HISTORY OF HOCKEY.

Call me when Mogilny's talked about as one of the all time great players of this GENERATION.

Players who would be in the Hall of Fame if they retired RIGHT NOW:
Hasek
Brodeur
Stevens
MacInnis
Chelios
Yzerman
Sakic (maybe)
Messier
Mario (duh - he's sorta in already)
Jagr
Hull
Lidstrom (maybe)
Belfour
Francis

That's IT, if you ask me.
I don't consider these guys to be HALL of FAMERS right now:
Shanahan
Bondra
Nieuwendyk
Mogilny
Selanne
Kariya
Roenick
Sundin
Forsberg (not yet...but soon)
Fedorov
Leetch
S. Niedermayer
Desjardins
Joseph

NOTE: These lists were off the top of my head so I could easily have missed a sure-fire Hall of Famer somewhere...

Is GILMOUR a Hall of Famer?
Can anyone somehow convince me of this? Baseball has it right.

loveshack2

10-07-2003, 08:40 PM

First I think there's a little misunderstanding here, Im not talking about if Mogilny retired *right now* Im talking at the end of his career. of the six forwards you listed all of them are about six months away from retirement save Jagr. Mogilny is what? 33? He's got lots of hockey left to play still. Secondly I wasnt arguing whether or not he *should* get it, Im arguing that he *will* get in. Whether or not it's right I dunno, but as they say, "if Clark Gilles can get in....". Thirdly you forgot Robitaille ;)

Sundinisagod

10-08-2003, 04:10 AM

Sure, he's been performing well.

But a HALL OF FAMER?

This is supposed to be for the ALL TIME GREAT PLAYERS IN THE HISTORY OF HOCKEY.

Call me when Mogilny's talked about as one of the all time great players of this GENERATION.

Players who would be in the Hall of Fame if they retired RIGHT NOW:
Hasek
Brodeur
Stevens
MacInnis
Chelios
Yzerman
Sakic (maybe)
Messier
Mario (duh - he's sorta in already)
Jagr
Hull
Lidstrom (maybe)
Belfour
Francis

That's IT, if you ask me.
I don't consider these guys to be HALL of FAMERS right now:
Shanahan
Bondra
Nieuwendyk
Mogilny
Selanne
Kariya
Roenick
Sundin
Forsberg (not yet...but soon)
Fedorov
Leetch
S. Niedermayer
Desjardins
Joseph

NOTE: These lists were off the top of my head so I could easily have missed a sure-fire Hall of Famer somewhere...

Is GILMOUR a Hall of Famer?
Can anyone somehow convince me of this? Baseball has it right.

Lidstrom maybe?? Top 5 dman of all-time and that gets you a "maybe"?
Perhaps this is who you think SHOULD get in versus who WILL be inducted...From your list of non-hall-of-famers, I'll guess the majority makes it.

nordique

10-08-2003, 04:54 AM

Lidstrom maybe?? Top 5 dman of all-time and that gets you a "maybe"?
Perhaps this is who you think SHOULD get in versus who WILL be inducted...From your list of non-hall-of-famers, I'll guess the majority makes it.

Obviously this is who I think should get in.

Yes, I forgot Robitaille.

Lidstrom as one of the top five defencemen of ALL TIME?
That's a pretty bold statement.

Orr, Harvey, Robinson, Chelios, Shore, Bourque, Clancy, Horton, Potvin, Kelly...that's a pretty select group.

thrill_me_mogilny

10-08-2003, 10:36 PM

Of course, by my name, you know I'm biased, but to me he's a lock for the HOF. To paraphrase what many have posted, in Mogilny's case the sum is greater than the whole of it's parts. One spectacular season does not equal HOF, neither does a Lady Byng win, or a SC ring, or being the first Russian to defect. However, when one adds up all the things he has done, and the skill he brings to the game, plus his longevity and production, he's in. And toss in an intangible - he is respected by players, coaches, fans, and the media - i.e. the people who vote for the inductees.

Even though he didn't show for the Byng, I'm sure that he would attend his HOF induction. He hates individual awards, but he knows what it means for the Russian people to get one more in the HOF. MArk my words, he'll show...without being kidnapped :joker: