Seidenberg

Realistically, what would it cost to acquire Denis Seidenberg? I know Desjardins is a UFA after this season, but that just opens up a roster spot for Woywitka.

Unless Clarke wants to hold on to him, but Seidenberg is a quality NHL defenseman and you guys are already hoarding so many. It makes sense to me to ship the kid out for a return at least because he deserves to play in the NHL.

All that being said, what would it cost?

Maybe a better winger than Somik + a pick?
A scoring winger as insurance against the loss of Leclair?

fire away some kind of an offer and you will see how close you are from the reaction in the room.

fire away some kind of an offer and you will see how close you are from the reaction in the room.

Grier/Halpern + 4th round draft pick

I think that's a generous offer. Grier probably fits better because he's a big upgrade on RW from Somik, but it never hurts to have center depth. Washington has the ability to replace them from within the organization with either Whitfield or Gordon.

Am I close :dunno:

Maybe also Kip Miller + 2nd round draft pick

This gives you some scoring depth if one of your big guns go down.

Grier/Halpern + 4th round draft pick

I think that's a generous offer.

If that's indicative of the kind of deal we could get, I'd be more inclined to keep him. Desjardins is not UFA this year, but Weinrich and Therien both are. Weino will likely retire, and Therien's a goner for sure. That opens two spots: one for Woywitka, and one for Seidenberg.

Whether or not it's unfair to "hoard" prospects, who cares? We drafted them. Besides, we have no room for another winger at the moment, and neither Grier nor Halpern (maybe Halpern) would fill a vital hole that we have. Also, doesn't Washington have it's own stable of good defense prospects?

Oops, my bad on Desjardins. Yeah, Washington has 3 good D prospects right now: Eminger, Yonkman, and Cutta. But we're going into this season with Gonchar, Witt and Crap. Seidenberg would be the clear cut #3 on our team this season.

I'd keep him ,in a few years, our D will have Johnson, Pitkanen, Woywitka, Vandermeer and Seidenberg
should become one of the leagues best if kept together

Oops, my bad on Desjardins. Yeah, Washington has 3 good D prospects right now: Eminger, Yonkman, and Cutta. But we're going into this season with Gonchar, Witt and Crap. Seidenberg would be the clear cut #3 on our team this season.

Maybe in the beginning, but probably not by season end. He's still not quite used to playing an 82 game season.

Weino will likely retire, and Therien's a goner for sure. That opens two spots: one for Woywitka, and one for Seidenberg.



I would say that assuming Seidenberg and Woywitka are both in Philly by season's end and Therien and Weinrich are gone Philly is still looking at a very interesting situation numbers-wise.

Desjardins
Vandermeer
Ragnarsson
Johnsson
Pitkanen
Woywitka
Seidenberg

That is 7 guys, and Hitch doesn't want a "rookie" or young guy to be the #7 guy. That leaves Desjardins, Ragnarsson and Johnsson as possible #7 guys. Ragnarsson probably is at the top of that list. That will still leave Philly with 5 defenseman under the age of 28. WOW!

Realistically, what would it cost to acquire Denis Seidenberg? I know Desjardins is a UFA after this season, but that just opens up a roster spot for Woywitka.

Unless Clarke wants to hold on to him, but Seidenberg is a quality NHL defenseman and you guys are already hoarding so many. It makes sense to me to ship the kid out for a return at least because he deserves to play in the NHL.

All that being said, what would it cost?

Maybe a better winger than Somik + a pick?
A scoring winger as insurance against the loss of Leclair?


Desjardins is signed, but Therien & weinrich both have deals that are up.

Flyers have plenty of depth, what I would be looking for would be something along the line of

Seidenberg + Somik/Fedoruk/Brashear/Kapanen

for a better forward

or

Seidenberg & a 3rd round pick

for

Caps #1

I would say that assuming Seidenberg and Woywitka are both in Philly by season's end and Therien and Weinrich are gone Philly is still looking at a very interesting situation numbers-wise.

Desjardins
Vandermeer
Ragnarsson
Johnsson
Pitkanen
Woywitka
Seidenberg

That is 7 guys, and Hitch doesn't want a "rookie" or young guy to be the #7 guy. That leaves Desjardins, Ragnarsson and Johnsson as possible #7 guys. Ragnarsson probably is at the top of that list. That will still leave Philly with 5 defenseman under the age of 28. WOW!

No chance that Seidenberg & Woywitka are both playing with the Flyers along with Vandermeer & Pitkanen come later this season.

Realistically Seidenberg gets traded this year or in the offseason, and Woywitka joins the Flyers next year. Not going into the playoffs with 4 inexperienced defenseman.

Seidenberg is what 22? It would make no sense to deal him. He looks like a legit NHL dman. Why would they dump him for another pick when they have an idea of what they have in Seidenberg.

Realistically, what would it cost to acquire Denis Seidenberg? I know Desjardins is a UFA after this season, but that just opens up a roster spot for Woywitka.

Unless Clarke wants to hold on to him, but Seidenberg is a quality NHL defenseman and you guys are already hoarding so many. It makes sense to me to ship the kid out for a return at least because he deserves to play in the NHL.

All that being said, what would it cost?

Maybe a better winger than Somik + a pick?
A scoring winger as insurance against the loss of Leclair?
:joker: lmao! great avatar! :bow: :joker:

Seidenberg is what 22? It would make no sense to deal him. He looks like a legit NHL dman. Why would they dump him for another pick when they have an idea of what they have in Seidenberg.

If I would be Dennis, I would demand a trade out of Philly.

Last year he made the Flyers out of camp and got dumped into the AHL after 58 games and now he doesn't get the change because Hitchcock want once again the vets on the ice. IMO a low class act by the Flyers.

You guys have the luxury of 4 young D-man with huge potentials, IMO you could afford to trade at least one.

If I would be Dennis, I would demand a trade out of Philly.

Last year he made the Flyers out of camp and got dumped into the AHL after 58 games and now he doesn't get the change because Hitchcock want once again the vets on the ice. IMO a low class act by the Flyers.

You guys have the luxury of 4 young D-man with huge potentials, IMO you could afford to trade at least one.

Low class ??? He has been outplayed by Vandermeer, and now Pitkanen during this training camp.

Is he good enough to play in the NHL ??? Yes, but no reason for the Flyers to dump him for nothing. If another teams makes a good offer the Flyers would certainly listen.

No chance that Seidenberg & Woywitka are both playing with the Flyers along with Vandermeer & Pitkanen come later this season.


Sorry, didn't mean to imply that all 4 would be with the Flyers only that they would still be in Philly, Phantoms included. If they are I would expect all 4 to play next year.

Low class ??? He has been outplayed by Vandermeer, and now Pitkanen during this training camp.

Is he good enough to play in the NHL ??? Yes, but no reason for the Flyers to dump him for nothing. If another teams makes a good offer the Flyers would certainly listen.

I think that 2nd or 3rd round pick is good enough for Seidenberg. Maybe from Chicago?

I think that 2nd or 3rd round pick is good enough for Seidenberg. Maybe from Chicago?

Definitely more than a 3rd, and it would have to be a high 2nd (which Chicago's would be) to get me to consider it.

He's already proven that he is an NHL defenseman, young and cheap.

I would make this deal with Chicago

Seidenberg & Kings 2nd, and Flyers 4th

for

Chicago's #1

If I would be Dennis, I would demand a trade out of Philly.

Last year he made the Flyers out of camp and got dumped into the AHL after 58 games and now he doesn't get the change because Hitchcock want once again the vets on the ice. IMO a low class act by the Flyers.

You guys have the luxury of 4 young D-man with huge potentials, IMO you could afford to trade at least one.

You're totally wrong. He wasn't replaced by a vet, he was replaced by Jim Vandermeer, another young d-man from the Phantoms. Dennis got "dumped" into the AHL after 58 games because he didn't have the stamina and endurance to stay up for an 82 game season (which is understandable, since the DEL only plays 40-50 games in a season). He was too tired, and couldn't keep up with the play on the ice. The only way he'll work on conditioning to be able to do a LONG season is through the AHL.

Hitchcock has said that at some point during this season, all 4 dmen will have NHL time. Added to the fact that we'll have two spots open next year, and there is no need to trade any of our 4 dmen.

Definitely more than a 3rd, and it would have to be a high 2nd (which Chicago's would be) to get me to consider it.

He's already proven that he is an NHL defenseman, young and cheap.

I would make this deal with Chicago

Seidenberg & Kings 2nd, and Flyers 4th

for

Chicago's #1

JFF! Be happy, if Smith gives you that 2nd. I'm pretty sure if the Blackhawks pick Top10 in the draft they won't deal there 1st rounder.

Just curious what would you want for Vandermeer or Woywitka?

JFF! Be happy, if Smith gives you that 2nd. I'm pretty sure if the Blackhawks pick Top10 in the draft they won't deal there 1st rounder.

Just curious what would you want for Vandermeer or Woywitka?


Smith may need to make the playoffs to keep his job, so he might get a little desparate. I would think about Seidenberg for Chicago's 2md, but I would prefer to get that 1st, that's why I added the additional picks to even it out.

The price for Vandermeer & Woywitka would be higher than Seidenberg.

Woywitka would have to be a top 15 pick in the draft.

The price for Woywitka would not be another draft pick. What would the point of that be? Woywitka has developed very nicely and if the 01 draft was redone, he'd probably be in the top 15 of a very very good draft. If the flyers were going to trade a defenseman, I would expect that they would want a very solid winger prospect in return. If we're talking about Chicago, maybe a guy like Radulov, though that may be too much. If we're talking about Washington, i'd want Semin and i'd deal Seidenberg and a 2nd or a 3rd for him.

Smith may need to make the playoffs to keep his job, so he might get a little desparate. I would think about Seidenberg for Chicago's 2md, but I would prefer to get that 1st, that's why I added the additional picks to even it out.

The price for Vandermeer & Woywitka would be higher than Seidenberg.

Woywitka would have to be a top 15 pick in the draft.

Vandermeer is potential #5 or #6 D-man, while Seidenberg has Top4 potential. BTW I wouldn't even want Vandermeer, if I would be a GM.

They're not going to deal any of their dmen. Unless the offer was well in their favor. You don't trade a dman with top 4 potential just b/c he can't go 82 YET. From the work he's done in the offseason it looks like Seidenberg is serious about making this team for the entire season if not this year then next season.

Vandermeer is potential #5 or #6 D-man, while Seidenberg has Top4 potential. BTW I wouldn't even want Vandermeer, if I would be a GM.


I originally thought that Vandermeer would top out as a 5 or 6, but he has made tremendous strides. He can at least be a #4. Physical mean deenseman that is not afraid to drop the gloves. Think Colin White, but willing to fight.

If I would be Dennis, I would demand a trade out of Philly.

Last year he made the Flyers out of camp and got dumped into the AHL after 58 games and now he doesn't get the change because Hitchcock want once again the vets on the ice. IMO a low class act by the Flyers.

You guys have the luxury of 4 young D-man with huge potentials, IMO you could afford to trade at least one.

21 year old players drafted late with 50+ NHL games that have not really proven anything on the NHL level are not at liberty to demand anything. I like Dennis and agree he has good two way skills but still has learning to do. Also, Hitch has Vandermeer and Pitkanen in the lineup with Bundy sitting so it is not really about the vets.

Definitely more than a 3rd, and it would have to be a high 2nd (which Chicago's would be) to get me to consider it.

He's already proven that he is an NHL defenseman, young and cheap.


What has he proven he can do in 58 games as the lowest minutes defenseman on the team, 16:00, and not playing in a single playoff game?
Seidenberg is a fine player for the long run. The Caps are in good shape for the long run. Its the short run where they Caps are hurting. Seidenberg is little more likely to be able to handle 20:00 a game and play big defensive shifts than Eminger is. Frankly, that is no improvement. Seidenberg is a skill defenseman who had his minutes managed last year. The Caps really dont need a skill defenseman anyway. What they need is a solid and reliable veteran that is a defense first defenseman. My guess is that at somepoint in the season McPhee will be able to get one (1) defenseman thru a trade. I just don't see the Capitals, who have 2 defensemen with over 100 NHL games on their current roster, trading for another guy with less than 100 games.
It makes NO SENSE.

What has he proven he can do in 58 games as the lowest minutes defenseman on the team, 16:00, and not playing in a single playoff game?
Seidenberg is a fine player for the long run. The Caps are in good shape for the long run. Its the short run where they Caps are hurting. Seidenberg is little more likely to be able to handle 20:00 a game and play big defensive shifts than Eminger is. Frankly, that is no improvement. Seidenberg is a skill defenseman who had his minutes managed last year. The Caps really dont need a skill defenseman anyway. What they need is a solid and reliable veteran that is a defense first defenseman. My guess is that at somepoint in the season McPhee will be able to get one (1) defenseman thru a trade. I just don't see the Capitals, who have 2 defensemen with over 100 NHL games on their current roster, trading for another guy with less than 100 games.
It makes NO SENSE.


I didn't suggest the Caps trade; although I do think he would help the Caps. My thought is to target the Blackhawks.

Personally I think Seidenberg is fzar more valuablbe than Vandermmer and to rade him for any pick but a high 1st rounder would be ridicolous.

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if not get bent
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Give us Maxy back!

Here's the Deal
Ouellett straight up For Siedenberg!
if not get bent
ENUFF SAID!

Give us Maxy back!

Make that Max for Pitkanen and I am into it.

What has he proven he can do in 58 games as the lowest minutes defenseman on the team, 16:00, and not playing in a single playoff game?

well he must have proven something if teams were to call for his availability. Seidenberg has tremendous upside and will continue to get better and when/if a team is interested, they will have to pony up. that simple.

Personally I think Seidenberg is fzar more valuablbe than Vandermmer and to rade him for any pick but a high 1st rounder would be ridicolous.

I to thought this at one time but logic would tell you that if Vandermeer has a spot in the top 5 right now than he is more valuable to the Flyers than Seidenberg is. that is not to say that Seidenberg won't turn out to be the better defensemen because he could but Vandermeer has already established himself and is also improving game in game out.

Make that Max for Pitkanen and I am into it.
paaaaaaaleeeeeze! :rolleyes:

There is a reason that Jim Vandermeer took over for Seidenberg after 58 games last season and will be starting on defense this season; and no it has nothing to do with the amount of class Ken Hitchcock or the Flyers have. It's because right now, at this moment, Jim Vandermeer is a BETTER player then Dennis Seidenberg-end of story. Why would the Flyers choose to play Dennis over Jim when Vandermeer has clearly outplayed Seidenberg for quite some time now?

Anyway, I really haven't seen too many offers for Dennis that I particularly liked so I'd be more inclined to believe that he'd have more value to the Flyers then he would in a trade-hence the reason I'd hang on to him.

Seidenberg is something you want acquire not trade away and you definately don't trade him for a pick. Possibly having 2/3 of your defense set for the next 5-10 years looks pretty good right now.

well he must have proven something if teams were to call for his availability. Seidenberg has tremendous upside and will continue to get better and when/if a team is interested, they will have to pony up. that simple.


He may well have proven that he has a tremendous upside. He did not prove that he was a top 4 nhl defenseman. He may be, but he is not right now and last season did not prove that he was. That is the only question that needs to be answered for the Washington Capitals. They have a nice pack of defensive prospects and they have a norris trophy candidate. What they are missing are 4 defenseman who are capable of playing in the NHL RIGHT NOW with Gonchar and Witt. Seidenberg may be great in a couple years, but the Caps are looking for a right now player.

Seidenberg may be great in a couple years, but the Caps are looking for a right now player.

Seidenberg can play right now. he had a very good camp, Hitchcock said that the only problem he had last year was consistency and that he improved in all areas again this camp especially with consistency. the only reasons he is not playing for the Flyers is because 1. Pitkanen. 2. Vandermeer gives the Flyers something that they lack among all the good defensemne that they have and that is bruising type of stay-at-home defensemen. along with bringing a different style of defense to the table, Vandermeer has played great and is getting better all the time. there is no doubt in my mind that if Seidenberg was aquired by the Caps that he would be in the starting lineup and playing quality minutes on special teams, especially the PP.

Make that Max for Pitkanen and I am into it.

I'd do it.

Glad you're not running the team then.

holy crap! you aren't kidding.

Number 1 defensemen are the hardest thing to find in the NHL. Decent goalie prospects are everywhere. No way should we trade Pitkanen for a goalie, not unless he is proven top ten.