VanW27 10-08-2003, 10:53 AM Are there any teams out there who are deep in nhl defenseman but weak with d prospects. Defensive prospects are the leafs only real tradeable assets. So are there any teams looking to swap a proven NHLer for a guy like Kondi + pick or somethig. After that we woould have to trade one of our current Dman for probably for a pick to make some room for the new guy. Oh and the guy i want is Danny markov(carolina would want scoring in return so that wouldnt happen though) but he loved it here in toronto and is a tremendous competitor with lots of ability.
opinions please.
The best thing the Leafs can do for now if they do decide a Kondratiev trade considerable is to let him play first. It's hard for other teams to evaluate his worth without first proving it. Max most likely if he is to be dealt will be one of those deadline day deals. What we can get in return is yet to be determined.
V for Voodoo 10-08-2003, 10:58 AM kondratiev has minimal value. he wasn't a highly touted prospect and he's only had a good training camp.
not exactly a hot commodity at this point in time, hold on to him
RoadWarrior 10-08-2003, 11:19 AM Why is it that leaf fans want to dump good prospects at the first sign of improvment looking for that single vet to put them over the top? Cup winners are built over years folks. There's a reason why it's called team building and not player assembling. The silver bullet theory doesn't work.
Dumping Markov was a dumb idea in the first place and repeating the mistake with Kondratiev would be equally dumb.
Epoch 10-08-2003, 11:22 AM Dumping Markov was a dumb idea in the first place and repeating the mistake with Kondratiev would be equally dumb.
Exactly!!:handclap:
ACC1224 10-08-2003, 11:27 AM Why is it that leaf fans want to dump good prospects at the first sign of improvment looking for that single vet to put them over the top? Cup winners are built over years folks. There's a reason why it's called team building and not player assembling. The silver bullet theory doesn't work.
Dumping Markov was a dumb idea in the first place and repeating the mistake with Kondratiev would be equally dumb.
I don't think they wanted to dump Markov...he had off ice problems that the Leafs couldn't over look.
Leaf Army 10-08-2003, 11:29 AM Kondratiev's trade value is minimal right now, but it could skyrocket if he plays well over the next couple of months. Assuming that he isn't sent to St. John's of course.
If that's the case and his trade value increases dramatically, I wouldn't mind trading him. But only if the guy we get back is a proven defenceman in his mid-late 20's. A guy who could still put in 5-10 good years for us.
Maybe put together a package using Kondratiev to get a guy like Brendan Witt? Highly unlikely, but I can dream can't I?
Kondrative has precious little trade valule IMHO.
He's a relatively unknown prospect whose potential hasnt been scouted as being particularly high.
He's also proven nothing beyond having one impressive training camp.
I can't see the Leafs getting much at all in return for him, so they may as well keep him in hopes that his camp this year is a sign of future potential.
RoadWarrior 10-08-2003, 11:43 AM I don't think they wanted to dump Markov...he had off ice problems that the Leafs couldn't over look.
Half of the players on those great Oilers teams in the 80's were drug addicts and alchoholics. NOBODY CARED!!! because they delivered on the ice. Quinn should start worrying more about the on ice product rather than micro-managing his players lives. In my opinion the team has no right to interfere in a players life unless it's written in the contract and there's no reason for the team to care unless it affects his performance.
Leaf Army 10-08-2003, 11:57 AM Half of the players on those great Oilers teams in the 80's were drug addicts and alchoholics. NOBODY CARED!!! because they delivered on the ice. Quinn should start worrying more about the on ice product rather than micro-managing his players lives. In my opinion the team has no right to interfere in a players life unless it's written in the contract and there's no reason for the team to care unless it affects his performance.
Bill Watters said that if the Leafs had not traded Markov out of Toronto, he wouldn't be the player he is today. He was essentially hinting that Markov might not even be playing hockey more. They did Markov a favour and since then Danny has changed his life around.
When you look at it that way, I have no problem with the fact that they traded Markov. Their biggest mistake was that they should have got a young player in return- not vets like Green and Reichel.
sluggo* 10-08-2003, 12:15 PM "Bill Watters said that if the Leafs had not traded Markov out of Toronto, he wouldn't be the player he is today. He was essentially hinting that Markov might not even be playing hockey more. They did Markov a favour and since then Danny has changed his life around"
The problem is that Quinn made to many moves like the (removing defensemen) without replacing them on the Leafs roster, is why they are in the position they are now, but thats another topic.
I think someone like Bell is much more likely to be considered trade bait for the Leafs. Hes a very similiar player to Colaiacovo, is a highly reguarded prospect and hes not on the Leafs roster right now.
Epoch 10-08-2003, 12:20 PM Bill Watters said that if the Leafs had not traded Markov out of Toronto, he wouldn't be the player he is today. He was essentially hinting that Markov might not even be playing hockey more. They did Markov a favour and since then Danny has changed his life around.
When you look at it that way, I have no problem with the fact that they traded Markov. Their biggest mistake was that they should have got a young player in return- not vets like Green and Reichel.
Watters is trying to justify the Markov trade,thats it. Markov WOULD have become a good player if he was with the Leafs or not.
Leaf Army 10-08-2003, 12:23 PM Watters is trying to justify the Markov trade,thats it. Markov WOULD have become a good player if he was with the Leafs or not.
I don't think Watters was merely trying to justify the trade because he admitted that it was a big mistake.
nordique 10-08-2003, 01:09 PM Why would Carolina deal Markov for Kondratiev?
They traded a BETTER defence prospect in Igor Knyazev to get Markov this off-season...
Why would Carolina deal Markov for Kondratiev?
They traded a BETTER defence prospect in Igor Knyazev to get Markov this off-season...
nobody said that read the above posts
wasting time 10-08-2003, 04:08 PM "Bill Watters said that if the Leafs had not traded Markov out of Toronto, he wouldn't be the player he is today. He was essentially hinting that Markov might not even be playing hockey more. They did Markov a favour and since then Danny has changed his life around"
The problem is that Quinn made to many moves like the (removing defensemen) without replacing them on the Leafs roster, is why they are in the position they are now, but thats another topic.
I think someone like Bell is much more likely to be considered trade bait for the Leafs. Hes a very similiar player to Colaiacovo, is a highly reguarded prospect and hes not on the Leafs roster right now.
People forget how desparate the Leafs were for a second center back then. Sundin had been ground into pulp against Jersey the year before. No one was on the market of any value, and the best guy they could get at that time was in fact Reichel, plus Green as a very good third line center. Reichel was dominating the worlds and the issue for him was money. Toronto had the money and expected that he would bring great things in TO. Well, not completely according to script, but looking at the dynamics of the trade back then it was a very fair move.
Also we got Renberg for Berezin which was a steal.
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