Edmonton-Pittsburgh Trade Idea/Proposal

I figure Mario Lemieux would love to have a young talented scorer on his team that makes a reasonable rate. Comrie, would be a good fit there I think. It's not like he's asking for a huge amount of money. Lowe is only offering a 10% raise on his base salary which is 1.2 Million. Comrie would sign almost for sure for 2 million per year.

Pittsburgh has the stud defensemen prospects that Edmonton is definitely looking for. I'm wondering what people would think about this

To Edmonton

Ryan Whitney or Brooks Orpik
Pit's 2nd round pick 2004 (would be like a late first rounder)
Kris Beech

To Pittsburgh

Mike Comrie
2nd round pick 2004

I figure Mario Lemieux would love to have a young talented scorer on his team that makes a reasonable rate. Comrie, would be a good fit there I think. It's not like he's asking for a huge amount of money. Lowe is only offering a 10% raise on his base salary which is 1.2 Million. Comrie would sign almost for sure for 2 million per year.

Pittsburgh has the stud defensemen prospects that Edmonton is definitely looking for. I'm wondering what people would think about this

To Edmonton

Ryan Whitney or Brooks Orpik
Pit's 2nd round pick 2004 (would be like a late first rounder)
Kris Beech

To Pittsburgh

Mike Comrie
2nd round pick 2004

Comrie is a good young player, but that is an alwful lot of return to expect.

Comrie is a good young player, but that is an alwful lot of return to expect.

I wouldn't say so Darth. I'd say Comrie is atleast worth a 1st round pick, and that's what Ryan Whitney exactly is. Plus, Edmonton is throwing in a 2nd, so I think this is actually almost fair, except that Beech needs to be changed to something a little less.

Not a bad proposal, but Edmonton is asking a little much. Besides, just because Lowe isn't willing to pay Comrie, that doesn't mean Comrie doesn't want more money. What I mean is, if Comrie ever ended up in Pittsburgh, he would soon price himself out of Pittsburgh and leave for another team. It would not be a wise investment on the part of the Pens. I also think Beech still has potential to be a first-line-caliber player, though some of my fellow Pens fans are starting to throw in the towel on him. Try:

To Pit: Comrie

To Edm: Ryan Whitney + 2nd Rounder, 2004

Seems more realistic to me. I'm not saying I want Comrie, but I think that proposal is a little more fair. Thoughts?

I wouldn't say so Darth. I'd say Comrie is atleast worth a 1st round pick, and that's what Ryan Whitney exactly is. Plus, Edmonton is throwing in a 2nd, so I think this is actually almost fair, except that Beech needs to be changed to something a little less.
Whitney was a top 5 pick.
Comrie isn't worth a top 5 pick.
At the very least I would trade him straight up. No need to add anything.

I wouldn't say so Darth. I'd say Comrie is atleast worth a 1st round pick, and that's what Ryan Whitney exactly is. Plus, Edmonton is throwing in a 2nd, so I think this is actually almost fair, except that Beech needs to be changed to something a little less.

Disagree. I think Ryan Whitney is too high level a prospect. On the other hand, if it was Brooks Orpik, I think it would be closer to fair.

Disagree. I think Ryan Whitney is too high level a prospect. On the other hand, if it was Brooks Orpik, I think it would be closer to fair.
As an Oilers fan, I'd rather have Orpik than Whitney.. despite their relative draft positions, I think Orpik will turn out to be a much better NHL player than Whitney. Likewise, I'm starting to question Beech as a potential top-6 forward.. I know he's still young but he hasn't shown me too much as of yet.

Id rather keep Whitney and Orpik, and then draft a forward this year who should be better then Comrie one day.

Disagree. I think Ryan Whitney is too high level a prospect. On the other hand, if it was Brooks Orpik, I think it would be closer to fair.

I'll go out on a limb and disagree. I believe the complete opposite.

When drafed, Ryan Whitney was considered a higher rated prospect than Brooks Orpik, but Orpik's physical and defensive game have matured enough that the Penguins entrust him more than Whitney.

Whitney definitely still has more potential, but at the moment I feel Orpik is simply a more solid defenseman.

Whitney was a top 5 pick.
Comrie isn't worth a top 5 pick.
At the very least I would trade him straight up. No need to add anything.

Comrie is a great young player who scored 30 goals in his first full season in the NHL. He scored 20 goals the next season despite playing a large portion of it with a broken hand.

Whitney was a top 5 pick that is struggling in the NCAA. He's got a long way to go before he even gets close to the NHL.

I think something would without a doubt have to be added.

correction, is a top 5 pick that WAS struggling in NCAA and he was playing injured for the 1st half of the season his play really improved towards the end of the season (from what ive heard/read) . Why would we trade two former 1st rounders for a unsigned under sized centre that we cant even guarantee will play in a pens uniform?

Maybe
Beech
Welch

For
Comrie

Maybe
Beech
Welch

For
Comrie
I can't see Lowe even considering this deal.. neither of these players would help the Oilers at all this season. At the moment, Beech is no better than Reasoner/Horcoff/Stoll at center and likely wouldn't even play for us this season. Welch, though a decent prospect, looks like he still needs some seasoning and would not beat out Ferguson/Luoma/Bergeron for a spot. I think this trade undervalues Comrie by a fair bit.. it would likely take at least one of Whitney/Orpik to spark Lowe's interest in a deal.

Whitney was a top 5 pick.
Comrie isn't worth a top 5 pick.
At the very least I would trade him straight up. No need to add anything.

neither is whitney.. that argument can be made as well

neither is whitney.. that argument can be made as well

If his value has diminished... then why trade him now? He's on track to have an awesome year.

I think we all know that when you dump salary, you don't get a fair return.

i'm not 100% sure on your comment.. i was simply referring to the fact that.. if someone offered him alone on here for a top five pick this year, or last year, or next year.. it'd be thrown out like yesterday's news...

so countering "comrie is worth a first round pick" with "whitney was a top five pick, comrie isn't worth a top five pick".. is not very valid imo.. as neither is whitney...

or i could just not be understanding your post... :rolly:

I can't see Lowe even considering this deal.. neither of these players would help the Oilers at all this season. At the moment, Beech is no better than Reasoner/Horcoff/Stoll at center and likely wouldn't even play for us this season. Welch, though a decent prospect, looks like he still needs some seasoning and would not beat out Ferguson/Luoma/Bergeron for a spot. I think this trade undervalues Comrie by a fair bit.. it would likely take at least one of Whitney/Orpik to spark Lowe's interest in a deal.

Neither would your original trade? Whitney is in college no? The only dman we have who would help you out this year is Orpik but i doubt CP would move him for a 5-9 holdout we cant afford. All our other dmen are too injury prone(Rozy, Melichar) too old(Bergevin) or too crap(the rest) maybe Tarnstrom but we'd have to add something else obviously
Hypothetically if we did trade for Comrie and signed him for say 2 mill with the potential to make up to 4 mill through bonuses.(playing with Lemieux its a high possibility). If he and Fluery both had good years we'd just have trade one of the 2 and it dam well wouldnt be Fluery. Comrie aint a good fit in the burgh.

Neither would your original trade? Comrie aint a good fit in the burgh.
Heh the original trade was not mine.. I do agree with what you said. I just think that the Oilers would need someone like Whitney or Orpik to make the deal at least feasible.. they won't want two young guys that aren't neccessarily better than a lot of the guys they already have. I personally don't think a trade between Pittsburgh and Edmonton is likely at all. However, I am getting sick of people bringing up the "5'9" card.. Comrie has proven he can fight off checks and score at the NHL level! Granted he is small but it shouldn't play as large a factor as many posters are believing it will.. the only situation in which I see it being a big deterrent is if a team already has another top-line center that is small in stature (Ie. Buffalo with Drury, Briere).

i'm not 100% sure on your comment.. i was simply referring to the fact that.. if someone offered him alone on here for a top five pick this year, or last year, or next year.. it'd be thrown out like yesterday's news...

so countering "comrie is worth a first round pick" with "whitney was a top five pick, comrie isn't worth a top five pick".. is not very valid imo.. as neither is whitney...

or i could just not be understanding your post... :rolly:

ATM, maybe, but I believe Ryan is very capable of regaining his status within the year. His game is still the same, but the numbers weren't there last year. He's descibed as coachable. Chances are, he get's his game all back, probably.

My propasal:

Comrie

for

Morozov and a debatable pick

or

Straka and a later pick

Pittsburgh and Edmonton would make good trading partners.

But i don't think the oilers have a place for kris beech and would be looking for more of an offensive threat.

Maybe a deal based around this could be worked out:

To Edmonton:Surovy/Koltsov (preferably Koltsov because his speed would be deadly in edmonton) and Whitney/Orpik (preferably whoever is more NHL ready.

To Pittsburgh: Mike Comrie and a 4th rounder

Pittsburgh and Edmonton would make good trading partners.

But i don't think the oilers have a place for kris beech and would be looking for more of an offensive threat.

Maybe a deal based around this could be worked out:

To Edmonton:Surovy/Koltsov (preferably Koltsov because his speed would be deadly in edmonton) and Whitney/Orpik (preferably whoever is more NHL ready.

To Pittsburgh: Mike Comrie and a 4th rounder
I think a slightly higher pick would be needed but I like that deal. I heard Mario has a hard-on for Koltsov I think we would have a better chance going after Surovy.

I think a slightly higher pick would be needed but I like that deal. I heard Mario has a hard-on for Koltsov I think we would have a better chance going after Surovy.

Me thinks comrie is hold out for a while. A loooooong while.

Me thinks comrie is hold out for a while. A loooooong while.
:D I don't like ur trades from an Edmonton perspective Comrie is farther in development then Morozov(Mr. Injury) at a younger age and a pick would definetly come our way and Straka is waaay to expensive for us. Does not bother me if Comrie holds out for a looooooong while its not like were paying for him

Pittsburgh and Edmonton would make good trading partners.

But i don't think the oilers have a place for kris beech and would be looking for more of an offensive threat.

Maybe a deal based around this could be worked out:

To Edmonton:Surovy/Koltsov (preferably Koltsov because his speed would be deadly in edmonton) and Whitney/Orpik (preferably whoever is more NHL ready.

To Pittsburgh: Mike Comrie and a 4th rounder

For %!@#$ sake thats even worse now you want one of the two forward prospects we have who are actually showing some signs of development and your giving us a 4th rounder back. Again with the recent siging of Fluery i dont see how the Pens can afford Comrie without dumping Straka. And on top of all that you still want Whitney or Orpik thats laughable. If Whitney is really worth a 2/3 of Mike Comrie to you Oiler fans then id rather keep Whitney.

Maybe
Beech
Welch

For
Comrie

Welch, though a decent prospect, looks like he still needs some seasoning and would not beat out


The funny thing is Welch is probably the Penguins top prospect after M.A. Fleury and very likely could be better than either Whitney or Orpik. Welch might be the most under-rated prospect in the NHL.

Here's an article on Welch. Scroll down to "best player".

http://insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/Notebooks/ecac_0205.htm

For %!@#$ sake thats even worse now you want one of the two forward prospects we have who are actually showing some signs of development and your giving us a 4th rounder back. Again with the recent siging of Fluery i dont see how the Pens can afford Comrie without dumping Straka. And on top of all that you still want Whitney or Orpik thats laughable. If Whitney is really worth a 2/3 of Mike Comrie to you Oiler fans then id rather keep Whitney.

I totally agree. Surovy is one of the very few pure goal scorers we have, and Koltsov played really well in the preseason. As for Whitney and Orpik, we aren't going to trade them without even seeing them in the NHL.

As I've said many times, a deal between the Oilers and Pens for Comrie isn't going to happen. Yes, I'd love to have him, but I don't think we should take the chance on giving up high prospects for someone that will only be here a year or two.

The funny thing is Welch is probably the Penguins top prospect after M.A. Fleury and very likely could be better than either Whitney or Orpik. Welch might be the most under-rated prospect in the NHL.

Here's an article on Welch. Scroll down to "best player".

http://insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/Notebooks/ecac_0205.htm


As I was skimming the posts, I was planning on bringing this up too. Welch has really come on strong, and is sounding like he could really turn into something. I knew he was good defensively and a good physical guy, but I was surprised to be reading the articles this year as to how well he plays offensively. I'm more excited to see him than Whitney or Orpik, maybe just for the fact that he doesn't get much publicity.

Why would we trade two former 1st rounders for a unsigned under sized centre that we cant even guarantee will play in a pens uniform?


That's a pretty terrible argument. Draft position means nothing, especially for someone like Beech, who wouldn't make the Oilers' lineup.

That said, I don't see these two teams trading because Pittsburgh will probably want to keep their young prospects, which seems a little strange to me because a lot of their prospects aren't much younger than Comrie at all.

Whitney was a top 5 pick.
Comrie isn't worth a top 5 pick.

That's not what people thought at last years draft when they were calling up for Comrie or Hemsky. :rolleyes:

Comrie is quite under-valued by alot of these Pens fans. I guess that's because in the other conference they don't see to much of him. But for his age only Martin Havlat has scored more then Comrie. As somebody already said - Comrie is only a year or two older then most of the Pens prospects, and the fact that he has established himself as a top line center (or a premier second liner for arguements sake). I don't see a Pens deal coming though, as even though they could afford Comrie's 2 million (and no it wouldn't be a deal that would see him make 2 mil more in bonuses) they have decided that they don't want to add $1 of salary - they'd rather finish near last and get a high pick (Mario is dreaming when he says the team has a shot at the playoffs - Fluery would have to dominate the NHL more then what he did at the world juniors!

Comrie is quite under-valued by alot of these Pens fans. I guess that's because in the other conference they don't see to much of him. But for his age only Martin Havlat has scored more then Comrie. As somebody already said - Comrie is only a year or two older then most of the Pens prospects, and the fact that he has established himself as a top line center (or a premier second liner for arguements sake). I don't see a Pens deal coming though, as even though they could afford Comrie's 2 million (and no it wouldn't be a deal that would see him make 2 mil more in bonuses) they have decided that they don't want to add $1 of salary - they'd rather finish near last and get a high pick (Mario is dreaming when he says the team has a shot at the playoffs - Fluery would have to dominate the NHL more then what he did at the world juniors!


Agreed. Comrie doesn't get the respect he deserves on this board, especially when you consider that he's already had a 30+ goal season at the age of 23. He's comparable to Havlat in terms of production, and some people say he isn't worth a Ryan Whitney? Well fine, some of you can pack it up and head home, but when Mario probably retires after this season, the Pens will be dying to get their hands on a player like Comrie to bolster their meager forward ranks. I'd say when Comrie finally has a monetary value attached to him, and it's within reason of what has been discussed in the media, his value will jump quite significantly.

There are 29 teams in this league who would love to have Comrie aboard. Whitney is not that steep of a price to pay for him, especially when Whitney hasn't even played NHL hockey yet (and wasn't even considered a super-prospect like Spezza or Kovalchuk), and you're getting a #1 center in return.

I can't see Lowe even considering this deal.. neither of these players would help the Oilers at all this season. At the moment, Beech is no better than Reasoner/Horcoff/Stoll at center and likely wouldn't even play for us this season. Welch, though a decent prospect, looks like he still needs some seasoning and would not beat out Ferguson/Luoma/Bergeron for a spot. I think this trade undervalues Comrie by a fair bit.. it would likely take at least one of Whitney/Orpik to spark Lowe's interest in a deal.

From what I've heard, Welch is actually a better prospect than Orpik. They said he's a Hobey Baker candidate this year..

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With that being said...how about this:

To Pittsburgh- Comrie

To Edmonton- Kraft and Fata

Don't know how fans of both teams feel about this but....

Edmonton has normally had to take prospect or younger players when they have had to deal some proven players. Being a Flames fan I don't want to see the Oilers improve beyond us but being an Albertan and a Canadian hockey fan, I don't want to see the Oilers or the Flames taken to the cleaners just because of the $$$. For the sake of the Oilers I hope K-Lowe gets decent return for Mike "the human BOBBLEHEAD" Comrie.

To Edmonton- Kraft and Fata


I'm not sure either Kraft or Fata is very appealing... I guess they're both still young enough to have potential, but they sure seem to have difficulty getting it together...

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With that being said...how about this:

To Pittsburgh- Comrie

To Edmonton- Kraft and Fata

Don't know how fans of both teams feel about this but....

Edmonton has normally had to take prospect or younger players when they have had to deal some proven players. Being a Flames fan I don't want to see the Oilers improve beyond us but being an Albertan and a Canadian hockey fan, I don't want to see the Oilers or the Flames taken to the cleaners just because of the $$$. For the sake of the Oilers I hope K-Lowe gets decent return for Mike "the human BOBBLEHEAD" Comrie.

Sorry, the Oilers are already beyond the Flames. And Fata and Kraft have shown nothing but that they are very high risk of being big flops.

With that being said...how about this:

To Pittsburgh- Comrie

To Edmonton- Kraft and Fata

Don't know how fans of both teams feel about this but....

Edmonton has normally had to take prospect or younger players when they have had to deal some proven players. Being a Flames fan I don't want to see the Oilers improve beyond us but being an Albertan and a Canadian hockey fan, I don't want to see the Oilers or the Flames taken to the cleaners just because of the $$$. For the sake of the Oilers I hope K-Lowe gets decent return for Mike "the human BOBBLEHEAD" Comrie.
Two potential busts until they prove otherwise for a good young player in Comrie? The Oilers might lose Comrie, but your proposal would make them lose Lowe to, because I'm sure he would die from laughter if ever offered that for Comrie.

I respect your opinion about the Oil being beyond the Flames but I don't see it. Without getting into a pi$$ing fight how can you say that? Comrie could be gone, Salo will have to have a great year, Smyth is playing a new position, Marchant is gone, the Oilers top4 dmen are decent but none of them are going to win the Norris (Niether will any Flames), D-Vo is a career high 20 goal man????? I will give credit where it is due, Hemsky is a very good player but I hope that the preasure put on him doesn't make him choke.

As for the Flames I would rather have Iginla, Conroy and McCammond. Yelle, Kobasew and Betts. On Defense I like Gauthier, Regher, Lydman and Warriner better then your top 4. Turek..well he's Turek. One good season followed by one bad season. I hope this year is his good season.

The way I look at it is that both teams will be struggling to find the 8th playoff spot.

As for a deal for Comrie.

To Dallas- Comrie

To Edmonton- Malholtra and Ott

To NYR- Comrie

To Edmonton- Lundmark and Barnaby

To NYI- Comrie

To Edmonton- Parrish and Timmander

I don't really know what Edmonton would be looking for in return but they are deals just off the top of my head.

I respect your opinion about the Oil being beyond the Flames but I don't see it. Without getting into a pi$$ing fight how can you say that? Comrie could be gone, Salo will have to have a great year, Smyth is playing a new position, Marchant is gone, the Oilers top4 dmen are decent but none of them are going to win the Norris (Niether will any Flames), D-Vo is a career high 20 goal man????? I will give credit where it is due, Hemsky is a very good player but I hope that the preasure put on him doesn't make him choke.

As for the Flames I would rather have Iginla, Conroy and McCammond. Yelle, Kobasew and Betts. On Defense I like Gauthier, Regher, Lydman and Warriner better then your top 4. Turek..well he's Turek. One good season followed by one bad season. I hope this year is his good season.

The way I look at it is that both teams will be struggling to find the 8th playoff spot.

As for a deal for Comrie.

To Dallas- Comrie

To Edmonton- Malholtra and Ott

To NYR- Comrie

To Edmonton- Lundmark and Barnaby

To NYI- Comrie

To Edmonton- Parrish and Timmander

I don't really know what Edmonton would be looking for in return but they are deals just off the top of my head.


Most Flame fans don't see the potential in the OIl, not a shot, more just an observation. The fact is the Oilers got 92 points last year and the Flaes didn't get to 80. Smyth will alwys put up good numbers and Dvorak actually hit 30+ goal once and we are hoping he can do it again.

Your top line is better then our, I will grant you that. Iginla is money, but our 2nd 3rd and 4th lines are all superior to yours and frankly our goalie is better. He had a bad year last year but will rebound. The guy has a stamp in Sweden. Your D I'll giv the overall od to , but sinply all 4 of our line can score and we can roll them out fast. While most teams checking lines are on Isbister - Smyth and Dvorak, Hemsky - York and Chimera will be able to skate circles around them, or vice versa. I am pretty optimistic about the Oil this year.

Best of luck though, I would like to see the Flames in the big dance, it has been far too long since the Oilers have knocked you out of the playoffs :)

GO HOCKEY!!!

Comrie is quite under-valued by alot of these Pens fans. I guess that's because in the other conference they don't see to much of him. But for his age only Martin Havlat has scored more then Comrie. As somebody already said - Comrie is only a year or two older then most of the Pens prospects, and the fact that he has established himself as a top line center (or a premier second liner for arguements sake). I don't see a Pens deal coming though, as even though they could afford Comrie's 2 million (and no it wouldn't be a deal that would see him make 2 mil more in bonuses) they have decided that they don't want to add $1 of salary - they'd rather finish near last and get a high pick (Mario is dreaming when he says the team has a shot at the playoffs - Fluery would have to dominate the NHL more then what he did at the world juniors!
Check my posts, do a search with Comrie and Evilo.
You'll see that I like him a lot and am not underestimating him by any means.
But I don't think right now, with the signing problems and all, that Comrie is worth MORE than Whitney. A straight up deal is fair, but not more than him.
I'd give Orpik + though.
I like Orpik, but Whitney has MUCH better potential.
And no, the Pens are not entirely satisfied with Orpik because he doesn't hit enough like he used to in college. He needs some time.
As for Welch, he's head and shoulders above a guy like Orpik right now in the Pens' view. He is very highly regarded around the NCAA, and to boot he's a smart guy.
He looks like a keeper.

Most of these proposals I wouldn't do from a pens' standpoint.

Check my posts, do a search with Comrie and Evilo.
You'll see that I like him a lot and am not underestimating him by any means.
But I don't think right now, with the signing problems and all, that Comrie is worth MORE than Whitney. A straight up deal is fair, but not more than him.
I'd give Orpik + though.
I like Orpik, but Whitney has MUCH better potential.
And no, the Pens are not entirely satisfied with Orpik because he doesn't hit enough like he used to in college. He needs some time.
As for Welch, he's head and shoulders above a guy like Orpik right now in the Pens' view. He is very highly regarded around the NCAA, and to boot he's a smart guy.
He looks like a keeper.

Agreed, if Comrie were signed then he would be worth a bit more than Whitney.

I was originally going to post a 3 way trade with the thrashers pens and the oil were the thrashers get Comrie the Pens get Savard but i couldnt think of any pen assests the oil would want aside from Orpik and Whitney so i scratched the idea. I just dont think it would be worth gambling one of our top notch d prospects for a player with potential contract problems, and a player who we would not likely be able to keep around for very long.