incawg 10-09-2003, 05:23 PM From an interview with Burke on CKNW...progress "has been made" on the Bertuzzi front and they will continue to talk despite passage of deadline. Burke's deadline is 7-10 days from now at which time talks will be cutoff until the end of the season. Actually sounds somewhat promising.
Also, Keane will clear waivers saturday at noon if nobody picks him up.
monster_bertuzzi 10-09-2003, 05:29 PM Apparently Bertuzzi's agent Pat Morris has made 2 proposals, one for a 3 year deal, and one for a 5 year deal.
Peter Griffin 10-09-2003, 06:27 PM The CBC announcers said that talks will continue heavily throught the night and tommorow. This is very promissing as to me it shows that both Bertuzzi and his agent want to get this thing done. :handclap:
Mr. Canucklehead 10-09-2003, 07:21 PM CBC said that Bertuzzi's camp had agreed to a 24 hour deadline extension.
~Canucklehead~
Broda 10-09-2003, 10:11 PM Burke said in a brief interview on SN that he adn morris would talk things over the weekend...
I just hope the five year deal kicks in!!!! that would be nice
Tom.H 10-10-2003, 10:57 AM Just before the game last night, Burke was being interviewed by Dan Russell and he said that they have extended the deadline by about 10 days.
nucks2001 10-10-2003, 11:05 AM Just before the game last night, Burke was being interviewed by Dan Russell and he said that they have extended the deadline by about 10 days.
that he did
NFITO 10-10-2003, 11:18 AM even though the deal is not yet done, it all looks very positive...
love hearing that there is a 5-year deal being thrown around!! that would be simply awesome, and no doubt will weigh on Markus's decision of when he wants to retire as well...
either way, whatever happens, I think we can all agree that the days of talking about the Canucks not being able to keep their best players, is done....
even if Bertuzzi is dealt, and can't come to an agreement, we're already further ahead than what teams like the Oilers have gone through with their big ticket players, conceding the need to move them before the negotiations had even started.
PhillyNucksFan 10-10-2003, 11:27 AM Man, I now know what it feels like to be oiler's fan... tough losing their star players simply because they cant afford them... and everytime when they are close.. they need to trade and get young again...just wait a couple more years, they need to trade Ryan Smyth/Comrie, and then Hemsky take over as Captain and THE star on the Oiler..
5 years would simply be awesome, and 5 years would hopefully make other players, such as Nassy/Jovo/Ohlund/Morrison to sign contract extention until Bert's contract due..
we'd then can just add pieces during this 5 year window and GO FOR IT!!
all and all, IMO, its not likely.
3-4 years make more sense..
PhillyNucksFan 10-10-2003, 11:30 AM if its a 3 year deal, what does it mean?? HE accepts less money and becomes a UFA at the end???? 3 years sounds like he be just entering UFA under current CBA.
if its a 5 year deal?? what does it mean?? MORE money, and base salary increases every year??
5.5M to start
5.5-6.0-6.5-7.0-7.5M for a 32.5M?
Bert is already making 5M/year this year with the bonus factored in.. would he be looking for MORE??
5.5M to start
5.5-6.0-6.5-7.0-7.5M for a 32.5M?
Burke would already signed him, if that was the deal.
Burke and Nonis have been avoiding using the Naslund Cap as a negotiate tool with Bertuzzi unlike the previous negotiation likes Jovo. So i think Bertuzzi will get at less 6 to 6.5 millions $ to start off his new contract.
SedinFan* 10-10-2003, 12:06 PM Here's how I think the deal will/should go.
1st year: 6
2nd year: 6.4
3rd year: 6.5
4th year: 6.4
5th year: 6.2
5 year 31.5 million.
PhillyNucksFan 10-10-2003, 12:31 PM Here's how I think the deal will/should go.
1st year: 6
2nd year: 6.4
3rd year: 6.5
4th year: 6.4
5th year: 6.2
5 year 31.5 million.
SIGN him already! he is worth this much
right on market value or below!?
KOMO_ROCKS 10-10-2003, 01:03 PM Burke would already signed him, if that was the deal.
Burke and Nonis have been avoiding using the Naslund Cap as a negotiate tool with Bertuzzi unlike the previous negotiation likes Jovo. So i think Bertuzzi will get at less 6 to 6.5 millions $ to start off his new contract.
Bertuzzi will definately get more than Naslund......he is the best powerforward in the game at 28 years old(just in his prime).....simply put, when Bert is on his game there is no one better with the exception of Forsberg in my mind
Dr_Gonz0 10-10-2003, 03:42 PM From an interview with Burke on CKNW...progress "has been made" on the Bertuzzi front and they will continue to talk despite passage of deadline. Burke's deadline is 7-10 days from now at which time talks will be cutoff until the end of the season. Actually sounds somewhat promising.
Also, Keane will clear waivers saturday at noon if nobody picks him up.
Hello from Edmonton, just curious, what sort of money is big bert looking for????
Edler Statesman* 10-10-2003, 04:00 PM Hello from Edmonton, just curious, what sort of money is big bert looking for????
more than you can afford
cyrisweb 10-10-2003, 04:38 PM Hello from Edmonton, just curious, what sort of money is big bert looking for????
Similar money too what Naslund made after bonuses.. around 7 mill
I'd bet he'll get around 6.0-6.5 and after bonuses 7.5
The Produce Man 10-10-2003, 04:46 PM I think he's gonna get an Iginla-like deal. I'd be more then happy with that.
Burke's Evil Spirit 10-10-2003, 04:46 PM more than you can afford
Well here's a useful contribution to the conversation.
He's looking for something in the Pavol Demitra-range, maybe a little more (that's the name his agent cited). So, $6.5 to $7 million range.
Peter Griffin 10-10-2003, 04:52 PM I could see the Canucks and Bertuzzi agreeing to a deal similar to Iginla's, only for a longer term(either 3 or 5 years).
I could see it going down like this:
3 year contract
1st year:$6 mil
2nd year$6.5 mil
3rd year:$7.5 mil
5 year contract
1st year:$5.5 mil
2nd year:$6 mil
3rd year:$7 mil
4th year:$6.5 mil
5th year:$6 mil
If it's a shorter term deal, Bertuzzi will want a higher average pay over the length of the deal. If it's a 5 year deal, Bertuzzi will take less for the security of a long term contract. I think both deals are fair for both sides...
Dr_Gonz0 10-11-2003, 11:55 AM Well here's a useful contribution to the conversation.
He's looking for something in the Pavol Demitra-range, maybe a little more (that's the name his agent cited). So, $6.5 to $7 million range.
Thanks, yes i wasn't inquiring with regards to edmonton acquiring him, i was just wondering what sort of money he would be looknig for this year. He is one of the leagues bonifide power forwards, and a solid player.
incawg 10-11-2003, 01:37 PM NEW UPDATE (Oct. 11): (CBC)
Bertuzzi has sent a new offer to the canucks and he's looking for a response by the end of the weekend. I'm sure we'll hear more on afterhours.
Edit: Sportsnet reports that Morris' latest offer has gone past Burke and straight to ownership. Kypreos said that that could be a sign that they might be on the brink of making a deal.
Kypreos said it's probably a 3-year deal, with possible restructuring of this years' contract amount. He also said the figures would be somewhere in the 7.5 M to 8 M range after this year. Take it FWIW.
Edit #2: The above story about a proposal being considered by ownership was confirmed by CBC.
ehc73 10-11-2003, 09:56 PM Apparently the proposal was sent without recommendation from Burke or Nonis too. Looks like it's up to McCaw & Co. to decide if they want to give the contract to Bert.
Tom.H 10-11-2003, 10:55 PM Apparently the proposal was sent without recommendation from Burke or Nonis too. Looks like it's up to McCaw & Co. to decide if they want to give the contract to Bert.
Oh boy, that isn't good news. Burke and Nonis have been given this job and it is a slap on their faces, if it doesn't go through them first.
Lets hope Burke's pride keeps in check.
Ironchef Chris Wok* 10-11-2003, 11:00 PM Apparently the proposal was sent without recommendation from Burke or Nonis too. Looks like it's up to McCaw & Co. to decide if they want to give the contract to Bert.
I guess "without recommendation" does not necessarily equal "Strongly against." Maybe they're like "if you want to give him this contract fine, i wont' go agasint it, but i'm not really yippie-yah-yea about it."
cyrisweb 10-11-2003, 11:17 PM I guess "without recommendation" does not necessarily equal "Strongly against." Maybe they're like "if you want to give him this contract fine, i wont' go agasint it, but i'm not really yippie-yah-yea about it."
I was thinking more along the lines off... "It's a lot of money.. but It's fair market value.. It's up to you if you want too pay that much for him."
Russian Fan 10-11-2003, 11:21 PM I guess "without recommendation" does not necessarily equal "Strongly against." Maybe they're like "if you want to give him this contract fine, i wont' go agasint it, but i'm not really yippie-yah-yea about it."
exactly what I think.
I wont be surprise if he gets around 7,5 to 8,5M/ year
PhillyNucksFan 10-11-2003, 11:24 PM how much??
$8M??
I dont know what CBA is going to be look like.. but $8M/year in new CBA might bite canucks back...
I'd say $6.5M to start is fair, and increase 0.5M each year for 5 years.. or 6.5/7.5/8M for 3 year..
Roughly around $7M is fair for him, for now IMO.. but I wouldnt have no problem with him making $8M at the last couple years of contract.. but nt $8M to start with..
but then, I consider Bert the 3rd BEST overall player there is in the NHL after Forsberg/Thornton.. both of them making roughly $10M??
Edler Statesman* 10-12-2003, 08:51 AM Update (http://www.canada.com/vancouver/theprovince/story.asp?id=8387C477-D87D-4E0A-9708-BAE78F177D48)
basically Burke likes an offer by bertuzzi's agent, and is asking for McCaw's permission
Peter Griffin 10-12-2003, 01:41 PM Good news. If Burke is favourable over a deal proposed buy the Bertuzzi side, I can't see McCaw not going for it. He ponied up the dough 5 years ago with the Messier signing when the team was losing loads of money. I can't see him not forking over the cash to sign one of the best forwards in the league when the Canucks are producing profits of over $10 mil a year.
Wetcoaster 10-12-2003, 05:02 PM Oh boy, that isn't good news. Burke and Nonis have been given this job and it is a slap on their faces, if it doesn't go through them first.
Lets hope Burke's pride keeps in check.
You missed the point. BURKE sent the proposal up the line likely because it is way beyond his authorized budget for salry for the year.
PhillyNucksFan 10-12-2003, 07:53 PM You missed the point. BURKE sent the proposal up the line likely because it is way beyond his authorized budget for salry for the year.
I just read the news about this.
I hope what they are doing is that, Burke thinks its a fair contract, but well over what his given budget allows. ( Probably 7M/year for 3-5 years?) with a $40M payroll, we probably wont be able to afford him.. BUT after all, its the owners who are giving out the money. as long as the owner agrees.. I guess Bert is signed for 3-5 years !!
Peter Griffin 10-13-2003, 06:57 AM I guess Bert is signed for 3-5 years !!
If McCaw agrees, then that is basically true. Here's the latest on the situation,
http://www.canada.com/vancouver/sports/teams/canucks/story.html?id=58CE37EF-4037-428D-9998-B2FF8823D73E
"Contract negotiations on an extension for bruising winger Todd Bertuzzi have reached the ownership stage, with McCaw now reviewing the latest proposals from agent Pat Morris.
GM Brian Burke said Sunday that McCaw's involvement in the last few days is "nothing unique."
"This is no different than with Nazzy [Markus Naslund] and Jovo [Ed Jovanovski]," said Burke from Boston. "The GM doesn't have the authority to enter into contracts of that magnitude.""
This is looking very promissing now. :handclap:
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