Ottawa/Toronto proposal [Archive]

Skrymir

10-09-2003, 06:43 PM

I know this will never happen but...

Value wise is this fair

Havlat to the leafs for antropov + pick/prospect?
your right it will never happen. Muckler will not give in to Havlat by trading him, and the deepest position the sens have right now is center, so Antropov would be of little interest.

ATG

10-09-2003, 06:46 PM

your right it will never happen. Muckler will not give in to Havlat by trading him, and the deepest position the sens have right now is center, so Antropov would be of little interest.

ya but value wise is it good and no fellow leaf fans i don't want antro traded just wanted to compare his value to some of the rest of the league's top young talent

Skrymir

10-09-2003, 06:48 PM

not bad... really depends on what/who the pick/prospect was.

RiellyGood

10-09-2003, 06:52 PM

Depends on the pick/prospect, Havlat is better than Antropov and until Nik can prove that he can stay healthy and continue to produce for a full season, Havlat will command a fair bit more than Antropov even with the contract woes. As much as I would love to get Havlat, I would still be hesitant to trade Nik, with the CBA looming and the majority of the forwards in their mid 30s, I wouldnt want to get rid of any promising youth at forward. If the Leafs tank it really really badly, at the deadline I would be all for trading Roberts (good mentor for Spezza) +whatever it takes to get Havlat, to help the Sens in their Cup run

Blackjack

10-09-2003, 07:15 PM

I'd prefer Havlat. Antropov is close though.

Poignant Discussion

10-09-2003, 08:17 PM

I know this will never happen but...

Value wise is this fair

Havlat to the leafs for antropov + pick/prospect?

You're an idiot wished we had ignore so I could ignore your troll posts

And i'm saying this AS a leaf fan

Vatican Roulette

10-09-2003, 08:49 PM

Actually, i think the 1st word out of Mucklers mouth(if he wanted to move havlat, and yes, i know he doesn't) would be Kaberle.

leaflover

10-09-2003, 09:21 PM

You're an idiot wished we had ignore so I could ignore your troll posts

And i'm saying this AS a leaf fan

What exactly is it that you find so offensive about his post?

loveshack2

10-09-2003, 09:33 PM

Actually, i think the 1st word out of Mucklers mouth(if he wanted to move havlat, and yes, i know he doesn't) would be Kaberle.

Interesting thought, Kaberle probably has the most value of any Leaf player when talent, age and salary are taken into consideration. Still with Redden, Chara, Phillips, Rachunek, and Volchenkov in Ottawa I dont think Kaberle would be a priority.

Antropov on the other hand, would become Ottawa's second biggest player (behind Chara). While they're not exactly small up front they do lack a big, aggressive forward with talent especially one who can play LW if necessary. I think if Ottawa had the opportunity they would much rather add Antropov to their current lineup than Kaberle.

I dunno, Ottawa may want to keep Havlat around just in case they lose Alfredsson to UFA and of course they don't want to set a precent of trading their holdout RFA's. However, I think Antropov is a player who would certainly interest the Sens. This deal would also never happen because neither the Leafs or Sens are at all interested in helping each other out but I think value wise it is pretty fair.

andora

10-09-2003, 09:51 PM

What exactly is it that you find so offensive about his post?

probably that he doesn't understand it

Joey24

10-10-2003, 04:21 AM

I don't see Ottawa and Toronto ever being major trading partners.

SensGod

10-10-2003, 04:48 AM

Dar

10-10-2003, 05:17 AM

FOR THE LAST TIME PEOPLE! IT'S NOT AntroPOV...IT'S AntroPUFF...sheesh! :rant:

So what you're technically saying in an indirect format, is, you're not an Antropov fan?

Seriously though, we all know that despite where the Leafs end up in the standings, they're not going to trade a young player to Ottawa, not someone that can be there for the long term. Older players maybe ie. Roberts, Mogilny, Renberg etc. but at this point, unless the Leafs see themselves as contenders and feel that moving a young guy will help them (like they felt last year) then the Leafs will be working from the other end, unloading older for younger.

SensGod

10-10-2003, 05:27 AM

So what you're technically saying in an indirect format, is, you're not an Antropov fan?

Seriously though, we all know that despite where the Leafs end up in the standings, they're not going to trade a young player to Ottawa, not someone that can be there for the long term. Older players maybe ie. Roberts, Mogilny, Renberg etc. but at this point, unless the Leafs see themselves as contenders and feel that moving a young guy will help them (like they felt last year) then the Leafs will be working from the other end, unloading older for younger.

He's brittle...and I've never liked him all that much.

Toronto needs to get rid of their over paid dead weight like Sundin, Mogilny (maybe), Roberts, Nolan 90% of their defence...and build a team around guys like Stajan, Kaberle, White, Bell, Coliacovo, and assets they can get for the above mentioned players...they could theoretically build a kick ass team. They pieces are there for it...but they have to stop with the patch work BS they do down there in having a "pseudo contender" every year by putting bandaids on their team at the sacrifice of their youth.

officeglen

10-10-2003, 05:28 AM

I like the:

...unless the Leafs see themselves as contenders ...

No, the contending must have stopped when they got the young GM for 30 years of rebuilding. ;)

caber24

10-10-2003, 05:45 AM

FOR THE LAST TIME PEOPLE! IT'S NOT AntroPOV...IT'S AntroPUFF...sheesh! :rant:

Besides...where would Puff Daddy fit in our lineup? 4th line? No thanks...

unless that prospect is Coliacovo...then I "might" listen.

4th line eh??? thats quite laughable. If Nik played LW, which he can, he would be on your top line...

(if White plays LW, then maybe 2nd line but 4th???? please...)

SensGod

10-10-2003, 05:54 AM

4th line eh??? thats quite laughable. If Nik played LW, which he can, he would be on your top line...

(if White plays LW, then maybe 2nd line but 4th???? please...)

White
Schastlivy
Smolinski
Antropuff

The only players he could bump are Schaefer, Hull and Varada on the LW...

If Puffy Dadddy can only play center...well...then he's on our ECHL team...

loveshack2

10-10-2003, 06:20 AM

http://www.stumptuous.com/homer.gif

caber24

10-10-2003, 06:29 AM

White
Schastlivy
Smolinski
Antropuff

The only players he could bump are Schaefer, Hull and Varada on the LW...

If Puffy Dadddy can only play center...well...then he's on our ECHL team...

heheheh keep making a fool of yourself...

Poignant Discussion

10-10-2003, 06:31 AM

What exactly is it that you find so offensive about his post?

That as posting with his name and making proposals like this it makes Leafs fans look bad. What's offensive about his posts, is the lack of thinking behind them

ok lets take a small look at this trade

Havlat for Antro and a pick or prospect

So lets assume he was meaning a first round pick

- Would you trade a kid that on the third line put up 50+ points for an overrated Leaf and a crapshoot pick that will not be as good of a pick with Havlat on the other team.

- The Leafs have stated time and time again they will not screw over Canadian hockey teams OR they would have offered an offer sheet to Iggy last year.

If you want to play the game fine but make a serious proposal and sadly it would be

Antropov, Kabs and Steen for Phillips and Havlat

SensGod

10-10-2003, 06:32 AM

http://members.rogers.com/hockeygoof/leafs_site/1203/table_pizza12.gif

that's cool...

Poignant Discussion

10-10-2003, 06:33 AM

He's brittle...and I've never liked him all that much.

Toronto needs to get rid of their over paid dead weight like Sundin, Mogilny (maybe), Roberts, Nolan 90% of their defence...and build a team around guys like Stajan, Kaberle, White, Bell, Coliacovo, and assets they can get for the above mentioned players...they could theoretically build a kick ass team. They pieces are there for it...but they have to stop with the patch work BS they do down there in having a "pseudo contender" every year by putting bandaids on their team at the sacrifice of their youth.

Basicly what you are saying is that you would love to break up the Leafs core so you wouldn't have to face them in the playoffs and lose again.

OK I understand now

SensGod

10-10-2003, 06:34 AM

heheheh keep making a fool of yourself...

Oh jesus man...I'm no Modano = God...I'm just screwing around...I know damned well that Antropuff would start for the Sens...

SensGod

10-10-2003, 06:38 AM

http://www.stumptuous.com/homer.gif

My homer is better than your homer! :D

http://206.123.6.202/~lthie/images/homer_laff.gif

RiellyGood

10-10-2003, 07:10 AM

Antropov, Kabs and Steen for Phillips and Havlat
you said his proposal was bad....yikes!

loveshack2

10-10-2003, 07:34 AM

My homer is better than your homer! :D

Heh nice one, I may have to use that pic sometime.

Oh yeah, and when was the last time the Sens won the Cup again?
;)

SensGod

10-10-2003, 07:36 AM

Heh nice one, I may have to use that pic sometime.

Oh yeah, and when was the last time the Sens won the Cup again?
;)

Both of our last Stanley Cup final highlights and pictures are in Black and White...so what's the difference? ;)

Poignant Discussion

10-10-2003, 11:24 AM

you said his proposal was bad....yikes!

Didn't say i'd do it, but its what it would take my friend

Potential Star in Havlat + being in same conference + being a rival ='s what it would take to get him. I'm actually pretty sure it would cost MORE actually

Vatican Roulette

10-10-2003, 11:48 AM

Both of our last Stanley Cup final highlights and pictures are in Black and White...so what's the difference? ;)

about 30 years....in ottawa's defense though, the leafs had more chances.

But they lost cause they suck. :p

ATG

10-10-2003, 12:38 PM

You're an idiot wished we had ignore so I could ignore your troll posts

And i'm saying this AS a leaf fan

ya well i only consider opinions from people over a hundred posts rook

shakes

10-10-2003, 12:43 PM

Toronto needs to get rid of their over paid dead weight like Sundin, Mogilny (maybe).

The others.. maybe, but these two... give me a break. That's not even good for a Leaf bashing post. :rolleyes:

SensGod

10-10-2003, 01:19 PM

The others.. maybe, but these two... give me a break. That's not even good for a Leaf bashing post. :rolleyes:

Ok...Mo is probably lowest on the list. But Sundin? damn dude...can you imagine what be could bring you in a trade? Well...if you find someone stupid enough to take on his salary.

There is a great core of young players, and if you move guys like sundin, McCabe, Nolan, etc...you could have a team that will win a cup in a few years instead of having to suffer though this bandaid stuff you're going through now.

south-sentral

10-10-2003, 01:42 PM

I know this will never happen but...

Value wise is this fair

Havlat to the leafs for antropov + pick/prospect?

Ya right! Even if this was in the realm of possibility ..there's no way the Sens would trade a guy like Havlat for a oft-injured overrated center like Antropuff.

ATG

10-10-2003, 03:09 PM

Ya right! Even if this was in the realm of possibility ..there's no way the Sens would trade a guy like Havlat for a oft-injured overrated center like Antropuff.

ya that's it "Antropuff" could probably beat the crap out of most sens players

Croc

10-10-2003, 10:18 PM

ya well i only consider opinions from people over a hundred posts rook

At least he hasnt made 500 posts replying to flamers because of his crappy trade proposals

Croc

10-10-2003, 10:19 PM

ya well i only consider opinions from people over a hundred posts rook

At least he hasnt made 500 posts replying to flamers because of his crappy trade proposals

Poignant Discussion

10-10-2003, 10:46 PM

ya well i only consider opinions from people over a hundred posts rook

And I only consider trade proposals from people that havn't had a lobotomy preformed on them with an ice cream scoop

SensGod

10-11-2003, 04:37 AM

ya that's it "Antropuff" could probably beat the crap out of most sens players

http://206.123.6.202/~lthie/images/homer_laff.gif

Pinto

10-11-2003, 04:45 AM

http://206.123.6.202/~lthie/images/homer_laff.gif

that wasnt that homerish, i bet he could, but not guys like varada and such

sensfan18

10-11-2003, 05:00 AM

I've only seen Antropuff drop the mits once and that was this summer vs. the mighty swedish elite team, and Puff got his clock cleaned. So don't run your mouth that he could beat the hell out of all the sens. Just because he plays for the leafs does not make him a tough guy, Eugene Melnyk could probably step out of the owners box and give the punk the shlacking (edited) of his life.

Edit: Took out word referring to person involved in illegal trading of female services.

Pinto

10-11-2003, 06:43 AM