Question about rookies and waivers

KingPurpleDinosaur
10-10-2003, 08:29 AM
i read somewhere that if Brown plays 10+ games, he would have to clear waivers to be sent back to his Guelph team. wat does that mean?

willie
10-10-2003, 08:54 AM
Not sure where you heard about Brown having to clear waivers, but that is certainly not the case.

If Brown plays 10+ games, then his contract kicks in and the Kings will have to pay him his NHL salary the entire year (and the first year of the contract will be done) whether he plays in LA or Guelph.

That is why junior-aged players (Horton, Brown, Staal, Fritsche, Burns etc.) are given 10-game "tryouts" because teams don't want to lose a year of the contract and pay a large rookie salary if a player isn't ready to be a contributor in the NHL.

There might be something other than the contract kicking in after 10 games that deters teams from sending players back but I know it has nothing to do with clearing waivers.

KingPurpleDinosaur
10-10-2003, 10:19 AM
the Kings might have a problem with Brown. If he plays more than 10 games, he must clear waivers to be sent back to his junior team. After a strong showing in training camp, it is doubtful he would clear.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~21834~1688640,00.html

Old Hickory
10-10-2003, 10:23 AM
the Kings might have a problem with Brown. If he plays more than 10 games, he must clear waivers to be sent back to his junior team. After a strong showing in training camp, it is doubtful he would clear.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~21834~1688640,00.html
The writer was wrong. Dustin Brown won't have to clear waivers for years. I think he mistook the issue willie brought up for waivers.

KingPurpleDinosaur
10-10-2003, 10:50 AM
apparently he's right...

http://boards.go.com/cgi/nhl/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=nhl_los&id=187477

either he plays 10 and goes down or we keep him the whole season. dang

Dizzy
10-10-2003, 12:19 PM
Are you sure they still have to pay Dustin even if he goes back to juniors? I know he'll lose a year on the contract and it counts towards other things (such as waiver exemption) as a year played, but I thought they only had to actually pay them the proportion of his salary that he was actually in the NHL.

H_I
10-10-2003, 12:45 PM
apparently he's right...

http://boards.go.com/cgi/nhl/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=nhl_los&id=187477

either he plays 10 and goes down or we keep him the whole season. dang

http://letsgopens.com/nhl_cba.php?id=8

8.7. Age 18 and 19 Players.

(a) During the first two seasons next succeeding the draft
of an age 18 player, the Club he signs a contract with must first
offer him to the club from which he was claimed before it may
assign him out of the NHL.

(b) During the first season next succeeding the draft of an
age 19 player or a player who reaches his 19th birthday between
September 16 and December 31, inclusive, of the year of the
draft, the Club he signs a contract with must first offer him to
the club from which he was claimed before it may assign him
out of the NHL.

There is no restriction stated here on when he can be sent to his Junior team.

http://letsgopens.com/nhl_cba.php?id=9

9.1. Applicability and Duration. Effective with contracts
entered into after the date of the 1995 Entry Draft:

(c) (i) In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old
player signs a Player Contract with a Club but does not play at
least 10 NHL games (regular season and/or playoffs) in the first
season under that player's Player Contract, the term of his
Player Contract and his number of years in the Entry Level System
shall be extended for a period of one year, except that this
automatic extension will not apply to a player who is age 19
according to Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between
September 16 and December 31 in the year in which he first signs
a Player Contract.
(ii) In the event that a player signs his first
contract at age 18 and has had his Player Contract extended
pursuant to Subsection (i), and such player does not play at
least 10 NHL games (regular season and/or playoffs) in the
second season under that player's Player Contract, then the term
of his Player Contract and his number of years in the Entry Level
System shall be extended for one additional year.

The 10 game limit refers to contract matters, not waivers or restriction on movement to Juniors.

H_I
10-10-2003, 12:52 PM
Regarding Waivers.

http://letsgopens.com/nhl_cba.php?id=13

Article 13
Waivers and Loans of Players to Minor League Clubs; Waiver Draft

13.4. Waiver Draft/Regular Season Waivers. With the exception
of those exempt Players set forth below, Players party to Player
Contract must be cleared through the waiver draft and/or regular
season waivers prior to being assigned to a minor league Club:


GOALIES SKATERS
Age Years from NHL Games Years from NHL Games
Signing -- NHL Played Signing -- NHL Played

18 6 80 5 160
19 5 80 4 160
20 4 80 3 160
21 4 60 3 80
22 4 60 3 70
23 3 60 3 60
24 2 60 2 60
25+ 1 1

As used above, "NHL" Games" include NHL Championship games
and NHL Playoff games.

The exemption from both regular season waivers and the
waiver draft ends immediately upon a Player playing in the number
of NHL Games set forth in the applicable column above.

For purposes of Regular Season Waivers and the Waiver Draft,
the five year exemption for an 18 year old skater and the four
year exemption for a 19 year old skater shall both be reduced to
three years commencing the first season that the 18 or 19 year
old skater plays in 11 NHL Games or more. The next two seasons,
regardless of whether the skater plays any games in either
season, shall count as the second and third years toward
satisfying the exemption.

The following examples illustrate how the provisions in the
Waiver chart shall be applied:

(a) An 18 year old or 19 year old drafted in the '95 Entry
Draft who signed and played in 11 NHL Games or more in the
1995-96 season will be exempt as follows:

Season Waiver Draft Regular Season Waivers

95-96 n/a Exempt
96-97 Exempt Exempt
97-98 Exempt Exempt
98-99 Exempt Eligible
99-00 Eligible Eligible

Note: Once an 18 year old or 19 year old Player has played in
his 160th NHL Game, he will be immediately become eligible for
both regular season waivers and the next waiver draft.

Brown is exempt from waivers for at least three years.

Old Hickory
10-10-2003, 01:31 PM
Thanks for clearing that up H_I