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GoPenguins 10-15-2003, 01:08 PM If you could re-choose the Penguins R1-3 picks for the last 5 years, would you change any of the choices made? If so, who would you have chosen and why?
1998 - Milan Kraft, Alexander Zevakhin, David Cameron
1999 - Konstantin Koltsov, Matt Murley, Jeremy Van Hoof, Sebastien Caron
2000 - Brooks Orpik, Shane Endicott, Petr Hamerlik
2001 - Colby Armstrong, Noah Welch, Drew Fata, Alex Rouleau
2002 - Ryan Whitney, Ondrej Nemec, Erik Christensen
2003 - Marc-Andre Fleury, Ryan Stone, Jonathan Filewich, Daniel Carcillo
I didnt go crazy with all of our picks, as actually we have made some astute lower round picks (Bartschi, Eaves, Surovy, Chiodo etc) but was curious if any of you were disappointed we didnt draft someone else when their name was announced.
Were you all pleased with the Kraft pick? Were you happy we went and got Whitney over someone like Lupul? I am really curious to hear your comments. Oh..one thing - if the player was already off the board, you cant pick him. (So no Pitkanens :) )
spence___ 10-15-2003, 02:43 PM Were you all pleased with the Kraft pick? Were you happy we went and got Whitney over someone like Lupul? I am really curious to hear your comments. Oh..one thing - if the player was already off the board, you cant pick him. (So no Pitkanens :) )
I think Kraft was a good choice but was a victim of our prospect development. I also liked that we picked Whitney, especially over Lupul.
JDB3939 10-15-2003, 05:21 PM I'd take Havlat in either 99 or 98. Whenever he was picked.
Don'tcry4mejanhrdina 10-15-2003, 06:02 PM Picks I REALLY like are Koltsov, Caron, Orpik, Welch, Whitney, Christensen, and Fleury.
The Tang 10-15-2003, 07:32 PM I'd take Havlat in either 99 or 98. Whenever he was picked.
im pretty sure teh Sens were only a 500 team while we were still near the top, so i dont think he was available when our pick came around.
and i think it's really the mid 90's picks that people would love to take back, not the late 90's ones. you know, like Hilliar, Dome, Morozov, etc.
Jacob 10-15-2003, 08:30 PM I think Kraft was a good choice but was a victim of our prospect development.
How so? I feel Kraft is one of the first guys we actually developed with patience. It's all on him if he can't pan out.
I think all of these picks were good at the time.
Evilo 10-15-2003, 08:36 PM Havlat was available.
The talent is there. In all drafts. The only picks I would redo are the ones that didn't get signed : Van Hoof and Hamerlik. These were lost gambles.
The Tang 10-15-2003, 08:51 PM Havlat was available.
really? what pick was he?
Jacob 10-15-2003, 10:10 PM Kraft's biggest problem is continued increase in conditioning, he doesn't hit the gym often enough.
For a guy to be 6'3'' and look like he's annorexic is not right for an NHL center.
Is that the problem? It's difficult to make significant size upgrades AND significant mobility upgrades. Kraft needs both.
A lot of great picks, but the only way anyone can know of them is if they have a big scouting staff...and if you want to be a serious hockey team, your money should be spent in that department.
So what you're saying is basically that NO team has a big scouting staff? Because most of the players you listed were passed over by every team at some point.
Some things you can't scout, like how the player is going to develop. Hindsight is 20/20.
Mr. T 10-16-2003, 04:24 AM Some things you can't scout, like how the player is going to develop. Hindsight is 20/20.
Ding ding! We have a winna!
tom_servo 10-16-2003, 04:45 AM Four of our nine scouts (five, if you count Kehoe, but he's been a scout at other times for the Pens, I believe) have been with the team for five years or less... That's significant turnover; the rest have been here an average of 13 years each. And so far, you have to like the drafts from 1998 on.
#1GuinFan 10-16-2003, 06:40 AM Four of our nine scouts (five, if you count Kehoe, but he's been a scout at other times for the Pens, I believe) have been with the team for five years or less... That's significant turnover; the rest have been here an average of 13 years each. And so far, you have to like the drafts from 1998 on.
well put, I couldn't be any happier with our drafting the last few years, and its nice to see some of those prospects breaking into the NHl ranks... with the Penguins for once.
The Tang 10-16-2003, 07:09 AM 1998 Draft - The Players that we could have taken if the Scouting staff broadened their search for a great pick...then chose Kraft(but he had stellar years in junior so that was deceiving):
Scott Gomez
Jiri Fischer
Christian Backman
Mike Van Ryn
Ramzi Abid :p
Artem Chubarov (great 3rd line player...)
Jonathan Cheechoo
Ossi Vaananen ( u know that 6'4'' d-man on phx's blueline)
Mike Ribeiro
Justin Papineau
Mike Fisher
Norm Milley (Buffalo's speedster)
Denis Arkhipov
Brad RICHARDS (WTF MAN)
Erik Cole
Ok i feel sick...lets move on to 1999.
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yeah, that is kinda upsetting
JDB3939 10-16-2003, 10:41 AM I can't remember which year, but I was so pissed when we passed on Havlat. I thought he was a sure fire star back then for some reason. And I was right.
GoPenguins 10-16-2003, 02:05 PM 1998 - Milan Kraft, Alexander Zevakhin, David Cameron
This in hindsight wasnt one of our best years. Didnt we release Zevakhin last year? Or did he leave the Baby Pens never to return? I dont think he's within the organization anymore. As for David Cameron, I havent a clue who he is.
I will concur that most of our more recent picks have been good. The only picks I was a little surprised about was Ondrej Nemec, Ryan Stone and Daniel Carcillo. I was kinda wondering if the Pens were going to try and get Fritzsche or perhaps O'Sullivan. However, I certainly am not in a position to critique them when they havent been even given much of a chance yet.
Considering we drafting both Stone and Carcillo ahead of Bissonnette, we must have seen a lot we like with them :)
Fata19 10-16-2003, 02:42 PM My changes:
1998- 1Rd: Jiri Fischer
2Rd: Brad Richards
3Rd: Brian Gionta
1999- 1Rd: Koltsov
2Rd: Murley, Mike Comrie
3Rd: Caron
2000- 1Rd: Orpik
2Rd: Paul Martin
3Rd: Abid
2001, 2002, and 2003- Keep it the same
The Tang 10-16-2003, 03:52 PM yeah, our drafting the last few years seems to be much better. now we just have to hope they will develope.
JDB3939 10-16-2003, 05:49 PM Hindsight is 20/20
Chancellor Vitale 10-17-2003, 01:34 PM Jiri Fischer is the name that jumps out at me from all the people mentioned so far. I'd trade him for Kraft in a nanosecond but of course hindsight is 20/20.
:)
spence___ 10-17-2003, 04:14 PM Jiri Fischer is the name that jumps out at me from all the people mentioned so far. I'd trade him for Kraft in a nanosecond but of course hindsight is 20/20.
:)
Who knows if Jiri Fischer would've developed in the system we had. He's really benefitted from playing alongside the kind of teammates he's played with.
august 10-17-2003, 05:13 PM 1998 - Milan Kraft, Alexander Zevakhin, David Cameron
1999 - Konstantin Koltsov, Matt Murley, Jeremy Van Hoof, Sebastien Caron
2000 - Brooks Orpik, Shane Endicott, Petr Hamerlik
2001 - Colby Armstrong, Noah Welch, Drew Fata, Alex Rouleau
2002 - Ryan Whitney, Ondrej Nemec, Erik Christensen
2003 - Marc-Andre Fleury, Ryan Stone, Jonathan Filewich, Daniel Carcillo
1998 - Scott Gomez, Brad Richards, Brian Gionta
1999 - Martin Havlat, Adam Hall, Mike Comrie
2000 - Alexandre frolov/Justin Williams, Igor Radulov, Lubomir Visnovsky
2001 - Gleason/Kracijek/Perezhogin, Igor Gregorenko, Tootoo/ Ray Emery
With these pick, your team would look great!!!!
Chancellor Vitale 10-18-2003, 08:19 AM Who knows if Jiri Fischer would've developed in the system we had. He's really benefitted from playing alongside the kind of teammates he's played with.
That's a valid point. In the end the draft is almost always a crap-shoot -- even with great talents like Fleury or Kovulchuk. Then there's the guys like Daigle who did nothing even though he was supposed to be a star, and guys like Drury who nobody gave a second thought to initially, but became one of the most clutch goal-scorers in the game along side Foresberg.
You just never know... overall though, looking at those picks, we did pretty well.
DJ Spinoza 10-18-2003, 09:17 AM Hindsight is 20/20
It is, but all things considered, the Pens have done a good job since 1999, which coincidentally (not) was the year that some of the scouts were changed (I believe two in 99 and 2 in 00.).
Things are looking up for the Penguins developmentwise, with simply one name, Michal Therrien.
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