Red Wings vs Penguins (10.18.03)

Koltsov71
10-17-2003, 10:56 AM
Detroit Red Wings vs Pittsburgh Penguins

http://www.americanhockeycenter.com/ccm/images/detroit_aw.jpg vs http://www.americanhockeycenter.com/ccm/images/pittsburgh_hm.jpg

Time: 7:38 PM EST
Place: Mellon Arena

Detroit: 3-0-0-0, 6 points. 9 goals for, 6 goals against.

Pittsburgh: 0-2-1-0, 2 points. 4 goals for, 10 goals against.

Not sure what to say about this one.. Fleury is in.. McKenna will probably be in.. I'm guessing Kraft or Simpson will be going down. Hopefully we will see Focht back in and Bergevin out.

Anyone going to the game?

Lemieux -- Straka -- Koltsov
Abid -- Fata -- Morozov
Malone -- Holzinger -- Bradley
McKenna -- Eastwood -- Buchberger

Tarnstrom -- Berehowsky
Melichar -- Baumgartner
Focht -- Orpik

Fleury
Caron

Is that close? No room for Murley?

Darth Vitale
10-17-2003, 11:47 AM
...and Hatcher is OUT.

:D

The Tang
10-17-2003, 11:50 AM
Not sure what to say about this one.. Fleury is in.. McKenna will probably be in.. I'm guessing Kraft or Simpson will be going down. Hopefully we will see Focht back in and Bergevin out.

Anyone going to the game?

Lemieux -- Straka -- Koltsov
Abid -- Fata -- Morozov
Malone -- Holzinger -- Bradley
McKenna -- Eastwood -- Buchberger

Tarnstrom -- Berehowsky
Melichar -- Baumgartner
Focht -- Orpik

Fleury
Caron

Is that close? No room for Murley?
i'd rather see murley in than holzinger, we need as much scoring as we can get. also, i expect to see one of two things if McKenna gets put back in. 1) Simpson sent down 2) Kraft traded

Evilo
10-17-2003, 11:59 AM
I'd like to see Kraft in action before even talking about dumping him.

Superstar Shane
10-17-2003, 12:02 PM
i'd rather see murley in than holzinger, we need as much scoring as we can get.
I don't think Murley plays center...

Koltsov71
10-17-2003, 12:15 PM
I don't think Murley plays center...

Yeah.. That's why I didn't have him in.. Not to sure if the Penguins will scratch him, but I didn't really know where to put him in the lines either. I'd like to see Simpson sent down and Holzinger waived, but I doubt that both will happen.

Doofis_L_Hipster
10-17-2003, 12:33 PM
Edzo announced that Kraft will be in the lineup. No word on who he will replace and maybe McKenna might not go.

KungFuPenguin
10-17-2003, 03:28 PM
Hull, Lidstrom, Shanahan for the Wings. Undisciplined play and a miserable PK for the Penguins. Busy night for Fleury.

Can't wait to see how the wunderkind fares against some of the best the NHL can throw at him.

spence___
10-17-2003, 04:15 PM
Edzo announced that Kraft will be in the lineup. No word on who he will replace and maybe McKenna might not go.

about ****ing time. Hopefully he'll play on Straka's line.

Don'tcry4mejanhrdina
10-17-2003, 05:33 PM
Kraft seems to play good with Straka, but I think the Lemieux-Straka-Koltsov line will stay intact. I haven't heard that they are not going to play together.

Koltsov71
10-17-2003, 05:39 PM
Lemieux -- Straka -- Koltsov
Abid -- Kraft -- Morozov
Murley -- Fata -- Malone
McKenna -- Eastwood -- Buchberger

How does that look?

Don'tcry4mejanhrdina
10-17-2003, 05:43 PM
Doesn't look too bad unless it is against the wings.

AEKaki
10-17-2003, 06:18 PM
Lemieux -- Straka -- Koltsov
Abid -- Kraft -- Morozov
Murley -- Fata -- Malone
McKenna -- Eastwood -- Buchberger

How does that look?


Fata should be in the top 2 lines.
Take out Abid and put Fata on the 2nd.
Fata is way superior from Abid.
Don't even think about doing that.
Fata has gave it all thus far. Abid played lazy against the Habs.

Lemieux - Straka - Koltsov
Fata - Kraft - Morozov
Abid - Buchberger - Malone
Murley - Eastwood - Bradley

spence___
10-17-2003, 06:33 PM
Abid played lazy against the Habs.

Abid did manage 6 of our 23 shots on Thursday. I haven't been all that impressed with Fata so far this season.

DJ Spinoza
10-17-2003, 06:55 PM
I'm going.:D

I don't think McKenna is quite ready, so they will hold him out of the lineup. Simpson too, for Abid. We don't need goons in this game at all.

We need a miracle.:teach:

At least I'll get to see MAF. Speaking of which, I better get some sleep.:rolly:

Jacob
10-17-2003, 07:01 PM
Abid played lazy against the Habs.
So did Lemieux.


I don't get why we should be rearranging every single line we have. Our 5 on 5 play has been excellent since the start of the season. Some of you play too much NHL 2004.

spence___
10-17-2003, 07:12 PM
I don't get why we should be rearranging every single line we have. Our 5 on 5 play has been excellent since the start of the season. Some of you play too much NHL 2004.

Then where does that leave Abid and Kraft?

Jacob
10-17-2003, 07:15 PM
Abid - 2nd or 3rd line, Kraft - 4th line

spence___
10-17-2003, 07:18 PM
Abid - 2nd or 3rd line, Kraft - 4th line

Why pay a 4th liner almost a million, especially when he could replace Holzinger or Fata.

Don'tcry4mejanhrdina
10-17-2003, 07:36 PM
What is the point of having Kraft in the lineup if he is on the forth line? By the way, I think it will be 5-2 detroit.

Jacob
10-17-2003, 07:49 PM
Why pay a 4th liner almost a million, especially when he could replace Holzinger or Fata.
Because it's more economically feasable than keeping him in the press box. And it's not like he'll be there all year or something. Let him work his way up. The emphasis this year has been competition, right?

Evilo
10-18-2003, 12:22 AM
Because it's more economically feasable than keeping him in the press box. And it's not like he'll be there all year or something. Let him work his way up. The emphasis this year has been competition, right?
Yeah but no need to use him improperly.

Koltsov71
10-18-2003, 06:16 AM
Some of you play too much NHL 2004.

I don't play too much NHL 2004. Actually, I play too much ESPN NHL Hockey.

What's wrong with speculating? With people coming in and out of the lineup, the lines are prone to change. I was just trying to see what everyone's opinion was on how they would look.

Pensfan66
10-18-2003, 06:33 AM
I think Abid should be given a chance on the 2nd line in place of Fata. He played pretty well against Montreal. So the 2nd line with Kraft in the lineup is Malone, Kraft, and Abid. I guess we have to give Milan one more chance. I would also rather have Fata on the 3rd line replacing Holzinger. The only thing with losing Holzinger is maybe some faceoff abillity but that's it.

DJ Spinoza
10-18-2003, 07:11 AM
I agree with Jacobv2 here. Let Kraft work his way up. Same with Abid. They weren't healthy scratches for nothing you know...

The Morozov-Fata-Malone line has been the best from how I see it, there is no point in taking it apart. Especially demoting Morozov or Fata, who are at this point the best two players on the team (outside of Melichar and the goalies).

Evilo
10-18-2003, 07:37 AM
Kraft won't move his way up from the 4th line.
He needs some icetime, with skilled forwards.
No need to make the same mistakes we've made with so many prospects (Kraft, Morozov, Dome, etc...).
Let's try to take example on a team like Colorado that gives top two lines icetime to their skilled youngsters.

spence___
10-18-2003, 07:43 AM
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/sports/penguinslive/s_160631.html

spence___
10-18-2003, 07:44 AM
I agree with Jacobv2 here. Let Kraft work his way up. Same with Abid. They weren't healthy scratches for nothing you know...

What do they have to do to work their way up? Its not like theyll both pass through waivers.

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/sports/penguinslive/s_160631.html

DJ Spinoza
10-18-2003, 08:05 AM
They have to work their way up the lines.

I will be upset if Fata is moved down so that Kraft can start on the second line. Now if Kraft starts playing well, hustling, I can see giving him some time on a top line. But not from the get-go.

As I see it, Fata is the second line center, and has done a good job at it thusfar. If Kraft is moved to that line, the only guy I would move out of it for him is Ryan Malone.

AEKaki
10-18-2003, 08:20 AM
They have to work their way up the lines.

I will be upset if Fata is moved down so that Kraft can start on the second line. Now if Kraft starts playing well, hustling, I can see giving him some time on a top line. But not from the get-go.

As I see it, Fata is the second line center, and has done a good job at it thusfar. If Kraft is moved to that line, the only guy I would move out of it for him is Ryan Malone.


agree
A Kraft-Fata-Morozov would look good.

Darth Vitale
10-18-2003, 08:28 AM
I think Krafty should be placed on the 3rd line and be made to work his way up. Not just with point necessarily but with all-around solid play. Hustle, fore-checking, etc. If he has either Abid or Fata on his line, that should be enough to generate some good scoring chances.

Putting him on line 4 would heavy-handed IMO, while putting him on line 2 would be unfair to the guys who have earned that spot thus far. Line 3 is where he belongs, with one other decent forward to generate chances for each other.

Either way, he's either going to skate hard or end up on some other team.

DJ Spinoza
10-18-2003, 09:14 AM
Maybe the third line to start the game tonight should be Abid-Kraft-Bradley. That might not be too bad of a combination.

I don't know where Murley fits in. He played well enough to make the team, but they aren't giving him ice time at all. I think he is about to be sent to WBS because there is simply no room.

Big McLargehuge
10-18-2003, 12:13 PM
I'm going to tonight's game

I'll give you guys a full run down when I get back.

Mr. T
10-18-2003, 12:57 PM
Leavin' in 20 minutes

Big McLargehuge
10-18-2003, 01:05 PM
where you sitting Mr. T?

All I know is that I'm in the Igloo Club area, not sure which side, they're not my tickets.

Der Schweinehund
10-18-2003, 01:17 PM
In the games thus far, I have been very impressed a majority of the time with Koltsov. However, I still feel there is something not right there. Primarily, I have noticed the guy seems exceptionally prone when he is dashing in off the wing with the puck to having his stick lifted and the puck stripped. In the Montreal game alone, I counted 4 times he got stripped in this manner. I really wish that he could flip to the other side of the ice and take the pass on the front of the blade and additionally, use his body (coming off the left side) to protect the puck and head to the net.

I really would like to see him on the LW with Mario playing center. Did he play any of his WBS time at LW?

Special Ed
10-18-2003, 02:48 PM
Goal Abid!!!!

Jacob
10-18-2003, 03:27 PM
The Pens are playing horribly, despite all the help they're getting from the refs. 2-1 after one.

Straka had a brutal 1st period. Fleury looked pretty careless and killed a powerplay opportunity with a bad outlet pass. Morozov looks real good. Koltsov is not moving the puck on the powerplay. Orpik went for an open ice hit and ran over a teammate instead.

Xx Shadow xX
10-18-2003, 03:55 PM
Fata Scores.

3-2 Detroit

Don'tcry4mejanhrdina
10-18-2003, 04:00 PM
Way to go Fata! :handclap:

Don'tcry4mejanhrdina
10-18-2003, 04:04 PM
Why isn't Melichar playing very much? I thought Olczyk said he was a 28 minute a night guy? :dunno:

Xx Shadow xX
10-18-2003, 04:23 PM
Straka Scores.

3-3 Tied game

Don'tcry4mejanhrdina
10-18-2003, 04:28 PM
Way to go Marty! :handclap:

PigPen
10-18-2003, 04:30 PM
This game is atrocious. The refs' are practically handing pittsburgh this game.

5 terrible penalties in the first, 3 more weak ones in the 2nd. Absolutely pathetic.

At least they called that one dive in the 1st.

Jacob
10-18-2003, 04:44 PM
I don't think that those 4 or 5 in the 1st could have been called any differently.

Xx Shadow xX
10-18-2003, 04:46 PM
Fata Scores.

4-3 Pittsburgh

Don'tcry4mejanhrdina
10-18-2003, 04:51 PM
If Fata were here right now, I could just kiss him (not that he, or me for that matter, would enjoy it). :D :handclap:

The Tang
10-18-2003, 05:02 PM
WOOOOHOOOO!! Pens win! great game! i wish i could have seen, but listening is good enough!

Xx Shadow xX
10-18-2003, 05:03 PM
:handclap:PENGUINS WIN:handclap:

Don'tcry4mejanhrdina
10-18-2003, 05:06 PM
WOW. I had hoped that they would win, but I didn't expect it. Good job by Fleury to get his first of hopefully many wins. :bow: :yo:

Koltsov71
10-18-2003, 05:06 PM
Not going to say we played great tonight.. But wow.. Showing some heart and character to stay in the game and get the comeback win against one of the top five in the league.

Great vision by Malone and a perfect pass to Fata for the gamewinner.

Fleury.. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't think he played all that well. But he made alot of saves and won the game.

First star to Rico Fata, and he surely deserved it. He just sayed "*****" on TV too.. I thought that was amusing.

AEKaki
10-18-2003, 05:15 PM
WOW. I had hoped that they would win, but I didn't expect it. Good job by Fleury to get his first of hopefully many wins. :bow: :yo:


"hopefully" ????
why hopefully????

His 1st of many many wins to come in his career...

Der Schweinehund
10-18-2003, 05:21 PM
Fleury.. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't think he played all that well. But he made alot of saves and won the game.

I thought he wasn't stellar either - but then again, it's hard to follow up the show he put on against the Kings. Anything more 'human' could certainly be somewhat of a let down. But - he won, beating the Red Wings and Dominik Hasek. That's a good score sheet for your first win.

I had the "privilege" of watching the Red Wings feed for the game. In between Mickey Redmond's constant whining, there was one good point brought up that they had discussed with Dave Lewis earlier today. Apparently the Wings believed Flery's weakness is that he is a little to eager to throw the poke check. The Wings definitely had that in their plans tonight, with Zetterberg's stellar goal and several other chances where the Wings held on to the puck to deke out the poke check.

Koltsov had a couple of excellent chances breaking in from the left side - just goes to support my new crusade in that he would be better on the LW.

It is somewhat ironic that I was almost about to rail on Malone prior to the game in that maybe he wasn't ready for the big time and needed some more maturing. He, to me, appeared to have the tools and size but just needed development time to tune them for the NHL. But he definitely did not look out of place at all tonight - in fact looked great!

Orpik played well I thought. Berehowsky was shaky again. Bergevin - as much as I have supported the guy - has to have a seat in the press box. And Eddie - ditch the plan of having forwards play the point on the PP. It didn't work with Kovalev and it's working even less effectively with Straka.

AEKaki
10-18-2003, 05:27 PM
Detroit Red Wings
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34 G Legace, Manny 0:00 0:00 0:00 0:00
39 G Hasek, Dominik 58:43 6:49 13:44 38:10
5 D Lidstrom, Nicklas E 29:55 28 5:08 8:54 15:53 1 1
8 D Fischer, Jiri -1 15:40 24 0:02 3:36 12:02 1 2 3 1 2
11 D Dandenault, Mathieu E 15:47 19 0:00 3:05 12:42
13 C Datsyuk, Pavel -2 17:53 21 2:12 0:13 15:28 1 1 2 10 7 58
14 L Shanahan, Brendan E 18:19 24 4:35 3:00 10:44 1 2 3
15 D Woolley, Jason E 13:49 16 2:25 0:25 10:59 1 1 2 1 2
17 R Hull, Brett -1 15:24 18 2:12 0:34 12:38 2 2 1 2
18 L Maltby, Kirk E 13:58 28 0:00 5:54 8:04 1 1 2 0
19 C Yzerman, Steve E 17:13 25 4:19 2:18 10:36 1 2 3 12 2 85
21 C Devereaux, Boyd -1 6:47 9 0:02 0:00 6:45 1 2
23 D Schneider, Mathieu +1 22:29 26 4:08 4:22 13:59 1 1 2 2 4
24 D Chelios, Chris -1 20:11 26 0:02 7:07 13:02 1 2 3 1 2
25 R Mccarty, Darren E 10:09 19 0:16 0:00 9:53 2 2 9 3 75 2 7
29 C Williams, Jason E 5:22 6 0:02 0:00 5:20 3 1 75
33 C Draper, Kris E 14:40 28 0:05 6:08 8:27 1 1 2 8 6 57
40 L Zetterberg, Henrik E 18:24 21 2:12 5:05 11:07 2 2 3 7 1 3 25
41 L Whitney, Ray E 16:31 25 1:53 4:17 10:21
96 L Holmstrom, Tomas -1 12:47 15 4:30 0:00 8:17 1 1
Team Totals -6 8 14 12 0 34 43 24 64 9 21


Pittsburgh Penguins
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29 G Fleury, Marc-andre 60:00 13:44 6:49 39:27
31 G Caron, Sebastien 0:00 0:00 0:00 0:00
2 D Melichar, Josef +1 14:48 22 0:00 2:21 12:27 1 1
4 D Focht, Dan +1 15:54 21 0:54 1:41 13:19 1 2
7 C Buchberger, Kelly -1 12:26 18 0:13 3:44 8:29 1 1 2 1 5
8 R Bradley, Matt E 11:49 19 0:17 0:47 10:45
9 R Fata, Rico E 14:14 23 2:06 2:01 10:07 1 1 2 4 4 4 50 1 2
12 L Malone, Ryan +2 16:38 21 2:15 2:19 12:04 1 1 1 0
14 C Kraft, Milan -1 8:57 14 4:16 0:00 4:41 3 3 50
15 C Holzinger, Brian E 15:27 22 2:17 1:30 11:40 5 9 35 2 4
19 L Abid, Ramzi -1 15:07 20 5:45 0:00 9:22 1 1
20 C Eastwood, Mike E 11:11 16 0:22 3:17 7:32 5 7 41
25 D Bergevin, Marc E 16:49 24 0:30 3:31 12:48
32 D Tarnstrom, Dick +1 22:25 26 9:26 0:57 12:02 1 1 2
44 D Orpik, Brooks E 22:56 27 3:06 3:32 16:18 1 1
55 D Berehowsky, Drake E 19:36 29 4:19 1:37 13:40
66 C Lemieux, Mario +1 22:13 24 10:14 0:00 11:59 1 1 6 11 35
71 L Koltsov, Konstantin +1 12:21 17 4:09 0:00 8:12 1 1 1 0
82 L Straka, Martin E 21:28 26 9:19 0:00 12:09 1 1 2 1 7 12
95 R Morozov, Aleksey E 16:33 19 8:57 0:00 7:36 1 1 1 2
Team Totals +4 6 8 3 0 17 24 43 36 6 15

Koltsov71
10-18-2003, 05:41 PM
Good post man..

Left wing is Koltsov's natural position.. I agree that I'd like to see him there.

tom_servo
10-18-2003, 05:44 PM
Fleury.. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't think he played all that well. But he made alot of saves and won the game.

I would agree for most of the first half; I thought he needed to be a little more heads-up. But in the latter half, he really turned it on.

Don'tcry4mejanhrdina
10-18-2003, 06:01 PM
It just goes to show how tough Fleury is. He never had the best start to the game, but he shuts out the wings the rest of the way to allow the pens to get back in the game. Caron did the same thing against the flyers. The pens are really showing some character.

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 06:45 PM
It was a sweet game but damn....

Anyone catch how the goal was waved off?

And damn, Koltsov was FAST. As soon as I saw him coming in on the LW after the faceoff in the 3rd I said "CRAP" and it was justified. Damn.....

Big McLargehuge
10-18-2003, 06:49 PM
This game is atrocious. The refs' are practically handing pittsburgh this game.

5 terrible penalties in the first, 3 more weak ones in the 2nd. Absolutely pathetic.

At least they called that one dive in the 1st.

stop making excuses, the Penguins had just as many short-handed goals as they had power play goals...not to mention that by the time the final penalty on the Wings was called it was still 3-1 Detroit...

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 06:49 PM
This game is atrocious. The refs' are practically handing pittsburgh this game.

5 terrible penalties in the first, 3 more weak ones in the 2nd. Absolutely pathetic.

At least they called that one dive in the 1st.

Honestly. I was sitting 10 rows up from the ice and I saw all the crap that was going on. Focht shoving Hull into the glass repeatedly, Berehowsky tackling guys. All this right as the refs looked at it. It was seriously pissing me off. When a team as unphysical as the wings get that many penalties, something is up.

Koltsov71
10-18-2003, 06:57 PM
Honestly. I was sitting 10 rows up from the ice and I saw all the crap that was going on. Focht shoving Hull into the glass repeatedly, Berehowsky tackling guys. All this right as the refs looked at it. It was seriously pissing me off. When a team as unphysical as the wings get that many penalties, something is up.

I agree to a certain extent.

I don't remember ever having said after a game "wow, those refs were on the ball tonight", though. Everyone always complains about the refs. You just have to adjust.

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 07:15 PM
I agree to a certain extent.

I don't remember ever having said after a game "wow, those refs were on the ball tonight", though. Everyone always complains about the refs. You just have to adjust.

Well, I can easily adjust when there was around 10 penalties called in one game, and like 6 being in the first period. You certainly don't say "wow, the refs were good tonight" but they shouldn't be F'ing up that much. Yeah, the broken stick was an obvious one, Chelios's roughing maybe but Wooley, tripping. Yeah right. He shoved him a bit after getting hit when going for a line change and the guy fell over like a ton of bricks.

spence___
10-18-2003, 07:28 PM
Anyone catch how the goal was waved off?

what about it?

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 07:35 PM
what about it?

Well, I was wondering how but it seems no one thinks it should have been waved off in the first place.

spence___
10-18-2003, 07:39 PM
Well, I was wondering how but it seems no one thinks it should have been waved off in the first place.

They replayed it like 5 times tonight on tv. It was pretty easy to see why it was called off.

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 07:42 PM
They replayed it like 5 times tonight on tv. It was pretty easy to see why it was called off.

Yeah, I was at the game. Right in front of it. Hence the reason why I asked.

Koltsov71
10-18-2003, 07:56 PM
They replayed it like 5 times tonight on tv. It was pretty easy to see why it was called off.

I was watching on TV and see the replay at least 4-5 times. I didn't think it was conclusive. It could have gone either way. Luckily, it went ours.

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 08:08 PM
I don't want to see it, ignorance is bliss. I can't wait to go to more games. It was sweet tonight.

spence___
10-18-2003, 08:10 PM
I was watching on TV and see the replay at least 4-5 times. I didn't think it was conclusive. It could have gone either way. Luckily, it went ours.

He didn't kick it, but he did intentionally rotate his foot so the puck would be reflected towards the net. I've seen several goals just like this one called off.

Koltsov71
10-18-2003, 08:11 PM
He didn't kick it, but he did intentionally rotate his foot so the puck would be reflected towards the net. I've seen several goals just like this one called off.

Yeah.. I have too. Which is the total opposite of what should happen in such situations.

Koltsov71
10-18-2003, 08:13 PM
I can't wait to go to more games. It was sweet tonight.

Glad you had a good time. Maybe you can be converted into a Wings/Penguins fan. :D

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 08:20 PM
Glad you had a good time. Maybe you can be converted into a Wings/Penguins fan. :D

Oh I can be. And I am sure I will be. I like Pittsburgh sooooo much better then being around Philly. This place is just....cool. I am already considering getting a Pens jersey actually, lol. Actually asking for one since I won't buy it myself. They are too expensive, except for my Yzerman jersey that I got for $63 US at the Hockey HoF.

I've even subscribed to this forum! Hopefully, I am allowed as a fan, lol.

DJ Spinoza
10-18-2003, 08:21 PM
http://hfboards.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Boo hoo. Poor Red Wings.

You should be glad for all the penalties called, because the Wings had a better chance to score than the Pens. Most, if not all, of the calls were legit. The Wings were undisciplined for a while tonight.

Here's a few thoughts for upset Wings fans. You had a 3-1 lead and blew it. Hasek only had 13 saves on 17 shots. The last half of the third period was basically a Detroit power play and no one scored.

The Pens won tonight, fair and square.

http://hfboards.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Edit, not directed really at Wingboy, nor specifically at anyone. Forgot to mention that.

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 08:27 PM
Gives us an excuse so HA! I was really hoping Brett Hull would score a goal after getting mauled by Focht for some reason and it being allowed. But didn't happen.

But hey, direct it at me. I found it funny to be in the middle of all the Pens fans. But I wanted someone to say something to me while waiting for the bus. So it finally happened in the elevator back at my dorm and this is what happened.

Kid: Tough loss for you Stevie Y (was wearing my Yzerman jersey).
Me: Yeah, enjoy Alexander Ovechvkin though.
Kid: .......
Me: You have no idea who that is, do you?
Kid: ........No.....
Me: It's the guy that you guys are going to land with the #1 overall pick.

And with that, I walked off the elevator.....onto the wrong floor. But the walk off had to be done. I thought it was witty, personally. You may not but I do!

tom_servo
10-18-2003, 08:29 PM
Hey. We will have fun with Ovechkin, thankyouverymuch.

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 08:31 PM
I zinged you guys good with that one, lol. I couldn't help myself.

DJ Spinoza
10-18-2003, 08:35 PM
We will have oodles of fun with Ovechkin, and Fleury, for years to come.

Remember this Wings fans, there ain't nothing you can do to us now. We won the series for this year.

Here's hoping you don't face the Ducks again.:p

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 08:39 PM
We will have oodles of fun with Ovechkin, and Fleury, for years to come.

Remember this Wings fans, there ain't nothing you can do to us now. We won the series for this year.

Here's hoping you don't face the Ducks again.:p

Maybe not directly but we can still indirectly. Like we beat the Kings and the Kings beat you so therefore..... I love using logic like that.

At this rate, we won't be able to face the Ducks. HA! Good job Fedorov!

Wingboy2999
10-18-2003, 08:46 PM
Oh yeah, did anyone catch who the Pens player that went to check a Wing player late in the 3rd, completely missed and ran right into the area of the glass with the camera behind it? I thought that was funny. It was late in the 3rd.

DJ Spinoza
10-18-2003, 08:47 PM
Yeah, I remember that. It might have been Bergevin.

GoPenguins
10-19-2003, 12:43 PM
I think its safe to say we'll rarely be satisfied totally with the referees and the calling of penalties. However, it is perfectly reasonable to expect or ask for consistancy. If a cross check is called a cross check in the 1st period, it should still be called one in the third. I find it hard to beleive that the Wings and Pens played an almost penalty-free third period whenthey barely managed to play 3 minuts in the first without a penalty being called.

Oh...and whilst I admit the Pens probably got away with a couple of calls, I was amazed nothing was called on the hit on Dan Focht which knocked him senseless. I know it was in the last minute or so, but his head was slammed into the boards face first. I woulda thought that constituted a boarding penalty, not to mention the fact it drew a lot of blood. It was good so see Focht get up, albeit woozily. Seeing him lying prone and unmoving was not a pleasant sight.

Der Schweinehund
10-20-2003, 04:09 AM
I think its safe to say we'll rarely be satisfied totally with the referees and the calling of penalties. However, it is perfectly reasonable to expect or ask for consistancy.

Totally agree. I think there are two underlying problems that affect consistency.

1) Two referees. I don't know if they do it on purpose or if it is subliminal, but why is it that every single time one referee calls two or three legitimate, absolutely-100% penalties in a row against one team, the other referee is virtually guaranteed to make a much more marginal call against the opposing team. Remove the 2nd referee, give the linesmen the power to call certain penalties - like obstruction related.

2) Whistle goes away in last half of third & OT. Be consistent - call it all, regardless of when it happens.

Saturday night was fun to watch for refs. I was watching the Pen game of course - seeing them make call, after call (after call, after call, etc) and listening to Mickey Redmond whine each time.

Then during intermissions and stoppages I flipped to the Habs/Leafs and watched Jason Ward two hand players no less than four times, including knocking some of Ric Jackman's teeth out, and I think he was only penalized a couple of times.

And in the late game, I watched the Oilers/Avs including one of the most bizarre calls I have ever seen. Oilers are killing a penalty - at the same time the refs arm goes up for another penalty (with a few ticks left) the Avs score. The Oiler player (Smyth) goes to the box for hooking. Reasoner who was serving the penalty comes out of the box and Smyth goes in. I checked the rule book and in such a case the new penalty being called while the player is in the box, the new penalty is nullified and the player in the box continues to serve the rest of the penalty. But the argument was put out that Smyth's hook came after the goal - thus Reasoner's penalty was nullified and Smyth went to the box for two minutes - giving the Avs an exended PP that they did not deserve. I have seen plenty of roughing/unsportsman/etc. penalties taken after the stoppage - but hooking?? How do you hook a player after the play has technically stopped?? I don't know...