10/18 Game Day Thread - Wings/Pens

So is this going to be another 3-2 thriller, or are they going to blow the Pens out?

I'm thinking it will be more like 4-1 Wings, with Nick, Shanny, Pavel and one of the Grinders bringing it home. Opinions?

5-1 Red Wings

Datsyuk, Shanahan, Lidstrom, Yzerman, Fischer

Morozov

Pittsburgh has probably the worst squad in the NHL. A loss to them wouldn't be pretty.

Hasek has started 3 straight... time for another keeper this time perhaps? Not that Hasek has been bad, he's been awesome.

I want to Zetterberg to get a goal. I predict 3-0 Wings. Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Fischer.

We going to see Fleury in net today? Even with a more defensive attitude on the wings, they should win this one with few scares. I wouldn't be surprised if the score is close until midway through the second, when the Wings will pop in a couple of goals quick and then just seal it off.

3-0(If Fleury is in net)

Zetterberg, Williams, Yzerman

5-1(If Caron is in net)

Zetterberg, Yzerman, Draper, Whitney(2)

Lemieux

4-2 Detroit

Zetterberg, Zetterberg, Shanahan, Holmstrom

Zetterberg is due to break out. I hope Hudler gets to play again, and gets a lot more ice time.

4-1 Wings

Z, Whitney, Yzerman, Lidstrom

Legace v Fleury

5-2 Wings

Wings: Zetterberg, Hull, Lindstrom, Maltby, Datsyuk

Pens: Straka, Morozov

We going to see Fleury in net today? Even with a more defensive attitude on the wings, they should win this one with few scares. I wouldn't be surprised if the score is close until midway through the second, when the Wings will pop in a couple of goals quick and then just seal it off.

From what I've heard Fleury will start tonight. I think this should be a wide open game, with little in the way of close checking, rugged Defence......somethin' right out of the eighties, hopefully.

5-0 Wings

Pavel (2,) Z, Yzerman and Williams.

Legace gets the shutout...


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ill go with 4-0 detroit, pens will look dead out there


detroit: zetterberg, yzerman, maltby, schneider
pitt: -

4-1

Holmstrom with 2 on PP- He will be lethal on the pp being the only thing that will take fleury off his game.

Zetterberg- He will score the breakaway goal that pits is known to give

Yzerman PP- I say rebby off a schneider shot


GO LEGACE (I hope he plays)

I'm going to go with 8 - 0 wings.

The pens' don't have the best coaching in the world, nor are they the most disciplined. This game is going to be a blowout no matter who is in net. Lots of powerplay goals for us. At least 3.

Hopefully Brooks Orpik (32 PIM in 2 games!!!) keeps his knees to himself this game.

Any chance that Cujo will get the nod tonight or is the ankle still sore? Heard he was due to come back soon.

Orpik has 42 PIMs in 2 games and has been kicked out of both (one for kneeing, one for instigator when he stood up for Fata). He has been playing nasty lately which is good as long as he plays clean (that hit on Gleason is the only time I've heard of him being dirty). I think detroit will win 5-2. Their powerplay has been great while the pens penalty kill has been awful.

Any news on who is going to start for the wings?

From what I've heard Fleury will start tonight. I think this should be a wide open game, with little in the way of close checking, rugged Defence......somethin' right out of the eighties, hopefully.

I'd love to see some run'n'gun, but I have a feeling the Wings will attempt to continue their defense first mantra, especially with Hatcher now out. If it's pond hockey from the drop of the puck, it will show how little control Lewis actually has over this team, imo.

I'll say 3-1 Wings.

Wow Zetterberg just OWNED Fleury on the short-handed breakaway!

Is anyone else starting to get worried about our 5 on 5 play. We have only scored 2 even strength goals.

Wow Zetterberg just OWNED Fleury on the short-handed breakaway!

It wasn't even a breakaway; he weaved the puck past a sleeping Straka and roofed it past Fleury. Awesome goal.

The officiating in this game is possibly the worst I've ever seen.

What is it now, 9 wings penalties? 5 WEAK calls.

This game would look a whole lot different if it were actually called evenly.

9 Wings penalties....wtf! Man Hasek has let in 4 goals on 17 shots.

Don't blame only Hasek. The officials have killed any momentum the wings could have created in the first 2 periods.

The officiating of this game has been absolute dog ****.

Thanks refs, you did a good job of losing this game for the wings'.

the officiating was the worst i've seen in ages .... and im sorry, but if you're gonna call back schneider's goal then call back fata's first goal too, just my opinion, but still it was atroscious (sp).... nice how the refs fell asleep in the 3rd :rolleyes: ... ugh i could go on but i'll save that for a game w/ worse calls ( if there is one )

Give some credit to the Pens. When the refs were on our side during the first half, the Wings had the lead. We only came back after we stopped getting the calls. So I think your blaming the refs is misplaced.

Plus.. team's are more likely to score against when we have the powerplay then on 5v5.

The refs were completely to blame, I mean it had nothing to do with Hasek only stopping 13 shots... :rolleyes: ;)

The Wings were their typical great self tonight, but the Penguins were playing inspired hockey and took the quality over quantity approach when it came to shots.

When it came to goaltending though, both goalies allowed some shots that no one could stop, but in general Fleury was just better than Hasek.

People, officiating tonight was absolute crap. Really, it made the Wings look like a bunch of goons out there when it was the complete opposite. We got the dive call, but I expected it to be a tripping with the way it was going.

Fleury was damn good tonight but the Pens in general had help. I still don't get how Schneider's goal was called back. I was 10 rows from it, all I saw was Schneider get shoved into Fleury after the puck was in, or that is what I thought I saw. Who knows what happened that watched it on TV?

Schneider kicked it.

Schneider kicked it.

An intentional kick? I still don't get how he did it. I was watching it and he was facing the net. Be pretty damn hard to kick it when you don't see it coming.

It wasn't even a breakaway; he weaved the puck past a sleeping Straka and roofed it past Fleury. Awesome goal.

Did anyone catch Wooley owning a Pens D-man in the 1st? Friggin' Wooley! He came in on the RW and he just made one of the d-men look like a fool. Sweet move.

it was probably harder to notice at the game... have you seen it on tv yet? (note: just a question... i'm not doubting your viewpoint)

Also.... Z was awesome for you guys tonight.... that move on the SH goal was sweet

Nope, have not seen it on the TV. I don't want to, lol. Ignorance is bliss. But yeah, Z was awesome. I was flipping out after that. Right in front of me.

Another thing that was great was i called the Holmstrom goal. Before the game, with my friends, I even called it. I was flipping during that too. Sweet goals.

im sorry, but if schneider's goal was called back fata's first goal shoulda been too IMO .... as far as schneider's ''kicking motion'' ... he brought his skate out... didn't look like it was off the ice, if so not by much... and shanny (i think it was) passed it and it hit off his skate and went in ... i was going absolutely nuts after they called it back ..... i think i called my grandparents tv everything but a television, if there was ANY movement by schneider's skate after the puck deflected then it was too small for me to catch

i think i called my grandparents tv everything but a television, if there was ANY movement by schneider's skate after the puck deflected then it was too small for me to catch

He intentionally deflected (rotated his foot) it on net with his skate.

He intentionally deflected (rotated his foot) it on net with his skate.
Rule 70 Kicking the Puck



(a) Kicking the puck shall be permitted in all zones. A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to propel the puck into the net. A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who kicks a puck that deflects into the net off any player, goalkeeper or Official.

(b) A puck that deflects into the net off of an attacking player who does not use a distinct kicking motion, is a legitimate goal.

(c) A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who kicks any equipment (stick, glove, helmet, etc.) at the puck, causing the puck to cross the goal line

now as i said, i didn't see any distinct kicking motion/rotating his foot/etc. ... therefore unless we didn't see a better camera angle that showed it it looked like a clean goal .... the angle i saw was only the media angle.... maybe in pittsburgh we didn't have access to any other camera angle, but :S .... from where i was sitting watching the replay it looked like a clean goal, i didn't see any movement of his foot after he touched the puck... if i saw any movement i wouldn't be arguing my point right now and i woulda said yeah that sucked he kicked it in...

So is this going to be another 3-2 thriller, or are they going to blow the Pens out?

I'm thinking it will be more like 4-1 Wings, with Nick, Shanny, Pavel and one of the Grinders bringing it home. Opinions?


Well I am not shure but I shure hope so and they are going to get the cup this year LOL this is your niece Monica :)

Well I am not shure but I shure hope so and they are going to get the cup this year LOL this is your niece Monica :)


MONICA!!!!! Hey there, girl! I wondered when you would show up! I am so tickled to see you here! I have something to send you...it's a picture of you and the little guy...I'll snail mail it to you.

Now that you're here, you'd better stick around.

Now as to the game, we should have never lost it. It was horrid. But I did get a little chuckle when two guys tried to make a sandwich out of Pavel and he snuck between them and they ran into each other. I had to laugh at that...sneaky little devil you can be.

Zetterberg's goal was an absoulute beauty. He's been hanging around someone for a while. ;)

Why should Fata's first goal be called back? He used his stick to score, unlike someone else. ;)

Comparing Fata's first goal and Schneider's called-back goal are laughable.

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I've seen goals like Schneider's be counted quite often. Yeah, he angled his foot to the side a bit, but he didn't kick it in.

Regardless, both teams just tried to make the best of a bad situation (Walkom reffing), and the pens got one more good bounce than the Wings. It was a pretty decent game, and was starting to get entertaining in the third. And it was nice seeing Mario play another game. Like Yzerman, he's another player we could very well be seeing for the last time.

As for the Wings specifically, there were some good points:

When the refs stepped out of the limelight in the third, I felt the Wings carried the play 5-on-5. They didn't rewarded for it, but they played well.

The PK looked strong.

Yzerman continues to look impressive.

Zetterberg looks to be regaining form.

I'm sure everyone has already focused on plenty of negatives already, so I won't bother with them.

Good luck to the pens this season, and I hope Mario stays healthy and productive

Yeah, Fata's goal shouldn't be called back but angling your skate? Come on.

Why should Fata's first goal be called back? He used his stick to score, unlike someone else. ;)

ok as i said, i saw alot of snow flying up and didn't notice the stick, so i'll take back that part of what i said, schneider's goal still shoulda stood as i said above

ok as i said, i saw alot of snow flying up and didn't notice the stick, so i'll take back that part of what i said, schneider's goal still shoulda stood as i said above


It's a tough call. Schneider definitely moved his skate forward. And the front part of his skate blade did leave the ice.
Perhaps they should define "distinct"
Maybe the rules should clear define a "kicking motion."
For me, I'd say that if the players skate blade fully leaves the ice, it's a kick.

Zetterberg's goal was amazing. Made Straka look like a pylon out there.



I would have called Schneider's goal back but it's a tough call IMO. Not much difference between that and re-directing it.

Schneider's foot wasn't completely off the ice but he did move his skate forward which I think is one of the other guidelines when deciding whether or not it was kicked in.

Last season Mike Comrie had a goal called back against the wings for kicking it in. He lifted his foot off the ice to knock the puck down to his stick which resulted in the puck going in the net. There was no kicking motion yet it was called down because his foot was off the ice.

If I were in the position to make the call, I would have called back that goal too.

I'd really have to see it to judge, but I think that unless it was very obvious that it was kicked (with an intent to kick), it should count. I remember Forsberg's goal in the 2003-03 playoffs in which he moved his skate back and angled it, and it deflected off his skate into the net (against the redwings, I think?).

Forward motion of the foot isn't necessarily a "distinct kicking motion." If a person is pushed (as often happens in front of the net), it may look like he is making a "DKM" when he is actually trying to keep his balance. Again, I'd really have to see it, but mostly people are saying it wasn't a distinct kicking motion, and if that's the case, it should have counted.

I don't understand their reasoning behind the rule.

If you redirect it with your foot, aren't you in effect doing the same thing as kicking it in?:dunno:

I've seen many both for and against the Pens where the player pushed it forward while his skate was on the ice still and it was called back.:dunno:

Yes, kicking it forward and redirecting it with your foot are the same as far as what result you want but they are different as far as rules. So..... it is quite confusing if you ask me.