Name your top 10 defensemen in 5 years

easton122
10-18-2003, 07:16 PM
Which 10 defensemen will rule this league in 5 years?

1. Scott Neidermayer
2. Ed Jovanovski
3. Mattias Ohlund
4. Paul Mara
5. Rotislav Klesla
6. Joni Pitkanen
7. Jay Bouwmeester
8. Derek Morris
9. Eric Brewer
10. Martin Skoula

anybody think any other prospects may be able to crack the top 10? ex: Grebeshkov, Woywitka, Suter, Coburn...

Team_Spirit
10-18-2003, 07:21 PM
Pronger will still be on top . Klesla and Jaybo are sureshots top 10 ... Tomas Karbele could be in too

#37-#93-#27*
10-18-2003, 07:33 PM
Niedermayer? holy wow, someone needs to start watching devil games more closely, Nied's is a very solid player but no where near that range

a lot of the guys you named are just young and good now, that doesn't mean all will improve, not everyone has a super high ceiling, Brewer, Morris, and Skoula certainly don't.

Blake
Pronger
Bouwmeester
Pitkanen
Klesla
Markov
Redden
Zubov
Jovanovski
Lidstrom

Zidlicky <- darkhorse

Special Ed
10-18-2003, 07:37 PM
at least one of Whitney, Welch, Orpik

actually it is a possibility

Team_Spirit
10-18-2003, 07:38 PM
why u quoted me ? :dunno:

1.Pronger
2.Bouwmeester
3.Redden
4.Jovanovski
5.Gonchar
6.Blake
7.Brewer
8.Kaberle
9.Klesla
10.Morris

I don't think Lidstrom will be around .. Nids will be a bit old ... maybe at #10 .

Jamie
10-18-2003, 07:43 PM
Trying to go off the top of my head of who I think will be the top 10:
Chara
Gonchar
Pronger
Jovo
Redden
J-bo
Lidstrom
Brewer
Hamrlik
Hatcher

I'll add, prime age for defensman is later than the other positions. Their prime is usually the 32-26 age range. Saying that, and having J-Bo on this list is quite a huge compliment from me. And I think Chara may be the most underrated (hate to use that word)player in the league. I'm not a Sens fan, but this guy is awsome, and if the Sens offered Chara to the Oilers(Who are my team) for Brewer, I'd be very upset if they didn't take it.

easton122
10-18-2003, 07:55 PM
My new list after seeing some names I forgot...

1. Pronger (assuming he fully recovers)
2. Neidermayer
3. Redden
4. Jovanovski
5. Kaberle
6. Hamrlik
7. Gonchar
8. Chara
9. Pitkanen
10. Mara

HM: Mattias Ohlund

This is my stance on Bouwmeester and Neidermayer who I consider to be very similar players except for Bouwmeester's obvious size advantage. Neidermayer hasn't reached his peak yet IMO (and believe me it hurts to say that as a Flyers fan) and when he does in a year or 2 he will be a Norris Candidate. Bouwmeester will follow a similar career and won't be a serious Norris candidate until his 30's but this is just my opinion.

Bo
10-18-2003, 08:13 PM
My new list after seeing some names I forgot...

1. .

It may not look like it now, but I would put Mike Komisarek on any top 10 list 5 years from now. He has more upside than Boumeester. It will just take Komo a bit longer because he is so big and got a late start in the game.

tom_servo
10-18-2003, 08:27 PM
*Pretends I'm not a Penguins fan*

I think Noah Welch could be a darkhorse.

#37-#93-#27*
10-18-2003, 09:16 PM
It may not look like it now, but I would put Mike Komisarek on any top 10 list 5 years from now. He has more upside than Boumeester. It will just take Komo a bit longer because he is so big and got a late start in the game.
No way does he have more upside then Bouwmeester. There is only one young defenseman who you could even argue that has more upside then him, he's wearing a Flyers jersey.

Mizral
10-18-2003, 09:30 PM
Which 10 defensemen will rule this league in 5 years?

1. Nicklas Lidstrom
2. Ed Jovanovski
3. Ryan Suter
4. Derek Morris
5. Scott Niedermayer
6. Andrei Markov
7. Wade Redden
8. Garnett Exelby
9. Ossi Vaananen
10. David Hale

icarus
10-18-2003, 10:09 PM
No one mentioned Dion Phaneuf in the prospect department? :dunno:

He could have made the Flames out of camp ahead of Commodore, Montador, and Wallin but Sutter wisely elected to send him back to Red Deer where he has 7 goals, 7 assists, and +5 in 15 games so far (leading the team in goals, points, and +/-). :teach:

For comparison's sake, Coburn has 2 goals, 3 assists, and is a team worst -6 in 6 games. Ryan Suter has no points in three games.

Team_Spirit
10-19-2003, 03:26 AM
It's 5 years from now .. almost everyone who don't have at least 1 season in the NHL under their belt don't stand a chance . ( maybe Pitkanen on the strong Flyers if he see decent ice time (at least 20mins) )

SwedenRulez
10-19-2003, 06:16 AM
5 years is very far from now, but Pitkanen, Jay Bouwmeester and Wade Redden would be in the top 5.

Andrei Markov can make a big suprise...

didjuicythat
10-19-2003, 06:24 AM
Name your top 10 defensemen in 5 years.

1. Ed Jovanovski
2. Derek Morris
3. Sergei Gonchar
4. Chris Pronger
5. Nicklas Lidstrom
6. Wade Redden
7. Andrei Markov
8. Jay Bouwmeester
9. Mattias Ohlund
10. Kim Johnsson

FearTheFlyers
10-19-2003, 06:41 AM
1.Redden
2.Chara
3.Jovocop
4.Pitkanen(homer)
5.Bouwmeester
6.Brewer
7.Klesla
8.Jackman
9.White
10.Pronger

degroat*
10-19-2003, 06:48 AM
LOL.. some laughable lists... and that's an understatement. Chara #1? Redden and Chara #1 and #2? LOL

If we're assuming Pronger stays healthy, there's no question he's #1.

King of Kelvington
10-19-2003, 07:02 AM
boumester
jackman
eminger
suter
coliacovo
pitkanen
volchekov
markov
coburn

BTW, my list is for 10 years from now, just thought 10 is more intersting.
Also Lidstrom will be long gone to Sweden by 5.

King of Kelvington
10-19-2003, 07:07 AM
Niedermayer? holy wow, someone needs to start watching devil games more closely, Nied's is a very solid player but no where near that range

Are you serious? Did you watch the playoffs last year? Nieds is as close as you come to being a complete dman with the exception of Lidstrom IMO.

Chaos
10-19-2003, 07:31 AM
1. Ed Jovanovski
2. Chris Pronger
3. Sergei Gonchar
4. Wade Redden
5. Jay Bouwmeester
6. Andrei markov
7. Derek Morris
8. Scott Neidermayer
9. Joni Pitkanen
10. Barret Jackman

Darkhorse(Homer pick): Trevor Daley

DJ Spinoza
10-19-2003, 08:07 AM
Orpik played 20 minutes last night, anything can happen.

If I was picking a Penguin, I would say Noah Welch.

I don't like making these types of lists, a lot can happen in five years. Will we even have an NHL then?

I think Redden will be number one though.

AlMo
10-19-2003, 08:17 AM
No particular order

Scott Niedermayer - people will finally notice him
Jay Bouwmeester - has all the tools
Eric Brewer - will it be in EDM though?
Chris Pronger - still can dominate
Barret Jackman - learning from Pronger and MacInnis
Robyn Regehr - he improves every year
Derek Morris - watching Blake will make him better
Rotislav Klesla - I think he'll be great once CBJ improves
Jiri Fischer - only see great things from him
Tomas Kaberle - he is so smart just need to build around him
Ed Jovanovski - might have a Norris by then

notables
Sergei Gonchar - will still be scoring 20 goals
Nick Boynton - definantly improving
Jordan Leopold - could be offensive machine
Wade Redden - you know what you're gonna get every night
Joni Pitkanen - has great potential. lets see how he does first

I_r_1337
10-19-2003, 08:27 AM
I'm not gonna go down a whole list cause I'm too tired but I think a few of the guys on there will be Jay-Bo, Steve Eminger and Pitkanen.

Tazzjayz
10-19-2003, 08:37 AM
1-Zdeno Chara
2-Joni Pitkanen
3-Wade Redden
4-Jay Bouwmeester
5-Wade Redden
6-Ed Jovanovski
7-Andrei Markov
8-Thomas Kaberle
9-Eric Brewer
10-Derek Morris

cellardweller
10-19-2003, 08:56 AM
Name your top 10 defensemen in 5 years.

1. Ed Jovanovski
2. Derek Morris
3. Sergei Gonchar
4. Chris Pronger
5. Nicklas Lidstrom
6. Wade Redden
7. Andrei Markov
8. Jay Bouwmeester
9. Mattias Ohlund
10. Kim Johnsson

1. Nicklas Lidstrom
2. Ed Jovanovski
3. Sergei Gonchar
4. Wade Redden
5. Chris Pronger
6. Scott Niedermayer
7. Andrei Markov
8. Paul Mara
9. Jay Bouwmeester
10.Janne Niinimaa

Yayo
10-19-2003, 09:11 AM
1. Chris Pronger
2. Eric Brewer
3. Ed Jovanovski
4. Sergei Gonchar
5. Scott Niedermayer
6. Derek Morris
7. Jay Bouwmeester
8. Rotislav Klesla
9. Joni Pitkanen
10. Andrei Markov

Notables:

- Tomas Kaberle
- Wade Redden
- Janne Niinimaa
- Ryan Suter
- Ossi Vaananen
- Anton Volchenkov
- Barrett Jackman
- Mattias Ohlund
- Pavel Kubina
- Braydon Coburn

#37-#93-#27*
10-19-2003, 10:34 AM
Are you serious? Did you watch the playoffs last year? Nieds is as close as you come to being a complete dman with the exception of Lidstrom IMO.
Of course I did but I've also watched him about 60 games in the season which is something you haven't done.

#37-#93-#27*
10-19-2003, 10:36 AM
No one mentioned Dion Phaneuf in the prospect department? :dunno:

He could have made the Flames out of camp ahead of Commodore, Montador, and Wallin but Sutter wisely elected to send him back to Red Deer where he has 7 goals, 7 assists, and +5 in 15 games so far (leading the team in goals, points, and +/-). :teach:

For comparison's sake, Coburn has 2 goals, 3 assists, and is a team worst -6 in 6 games. Ryan Suter has no points in three games.
Oh please, the guy will be in his 4th season, around the age Redden is now. He is not a top 10 dman by then and is not on a level that Pitkanen or Jbo are.

icarus
10-19-2003, 11:17 AM
Oh please, the guy will be in his 4th season, around the age Redden is now. He is not a top 10 dman by then and is not on a level that Pitkanen or Jbo are.

Oh please, people keep mentioning Coburn and Suter so if they have a chance in five years from now, so does Phaneuf. Chances are slim for all three 2003 draftees. They would be the same age Brewer and Regehr are now. As for Phaneuf, if he does indeed turn out to be like Scott Stevens and plays like Stevens did when HE was 23, he has a great chance to crack that list.

Brock
10-19-2003, 11:23 AM
Which 10 defensemen will rule this league in 5 years?
8. Garnett Exelby


Interesting Mizral....

In order for Exelby to get that high, he'd have to be the next Adam Foote. I'm guessing thats where your train of thought lies?

NYR1084
10-19-2003, 11:45 AM
No one feels that Komisarek will be a top 10 d-man in 5 years?

Thomas
10-19-2003, 01:36 PM
No one feels that Komisarek will be a top 10 d-man in 5 years?

Komisarek will be good, hopefully a #2 or 3 dman on the Habs, but unless he goes beyond his potential, theres no way hes a top 10 dman IMO. Andrei Markov would be our #1 D, and he just makes most lists.

King of Kelvington
10-19-2003, 02:18 PM
Of course I did but I've also watched him about 60 games in the season which is something you haven't done.

How do you know? :dunno:

Epsilon
10-19-2003, 04:04 PM
Niklas Lidstrom will continue to be the leagues #1 d-man until he retires or reaches the age of 40, whichever happens first. Personally I think he will still be playing in 5 years, and picking up his 7th or 8th Norris trophy.

Rattrick
10-19-2003, 04:10 PM
Some of these lists are HILARIOUS! Seriously, I am a Panther fan but with all bias aside, JBo will surely be ahead of some of the names listed. Definate homerism happening here.

name
10-19-2003, 04:26 PM
Oops, duh, I obviously misread the subject of this thread.. :P

In no particular order :

Lidstrom
Foote
Hatcher
Stevens
Zubov
Niedermayer
Pronger
MacInnis
Numminen
Redden

Notable Ommisions :

Blake, Leetch, and Gonchar

Although all three of these guys put up number, I find their actual defensive play to be suspect. Maybe if Leetch played for someone other than the Rangers he'd prove me wrong and maybe Blake would've made my list if I wasn't a Wings fan.

Now I'll go read everybody else's lists, I'm sure I forgot somebody obvious.

Now here's the list that I should have made also in no particular order :

Jackman
A.Markov
Jovanovsky
Spacek
Rafalski
Chara
Boyle
Redden
T.Kaberle
Brewer

I think that these guys will be good, but I'm not sure they'll be among the 10 best over the next 5 years.

Boumeester
Pitkanen
Fischer

My list assumes no lockout. This list was hard for me to make, a lot of guys could have more gas in their tank than I think.

Quagmier
10-19-2003, 04:34 PM
Oops, duh, I obviously misread the subject of this thread.. :P

In no particular order :

Lidstrom
Foote
Hatcher
Stevens
Zubov
Niedermayer
Pronger
MacInnis
Numminen
Redden

Notable Ommisions :

Blake, Leetch, and Gonchar

Although all three of these guys put up number, I find their actual defensive play to be suspect. Maybe if Leetch played for someone other than the Rangers he'd prove me wrong and maybe Blake would've made my list if I wasn't a Wings fan.

Now I'll go read everybody else's lists, I'm sure I forgot somebody obvious.

If Macinnis, Stevens and Leetch are still playing 5 years from now, i'll buy you a ham sandwich. ;)

#37-#93-#27*
10-19-2003, 04:34 PM
Oops, duh, I obviously misread the subject of this thread.. :P

In no particular order :

Lidstrom
Foote
Hatcher
Stevens
Zubov
Niedermayer
Pronger
MacInnis
Numminen
Redden

Notable Ommisions :

Blake, Leetch, and Gonchar

Although all three of these guys put up number, I find their actual defensive play to be suspect. Maybe if Leetch played for someone other than the Rangers he'd prove me wrong and maybe Blake would've made my list if I wasn't a Wings fan.

Now I'll go read everybody else's lists, I'm sure I forgot somebody obvious.
I'm happy you mentioned Leetch, he never gets any credit while at the same time being arguably the best offensive defenseman now, but I think he'll be retired by then.

A Good Flying Bird*
10-19-2003, 07:05 PM
Which 10 defensemen will rule this league in 5 years?

1. Scott Neidermayer
2. Ed Jovanovski
3. Mattias Ohlund
4. Paul Mara
5. Rotislav Klesla
6. Joni Pitkanen
7. Jay Bouwmeester
8. Derek Morris
9. Eric Brewer
10. Martin Skoula

anybody think any other prospects may be able to crack the top 10? ex: Grebeshkov, Woywitka, Suter, Coburn...

Seems like Jiri Fischer should be on that list. I wonder if Barret Jackman will be there.

A Good Flying Bird*
10-19-2003, 07:13 PM
Seems like Jiri Fischer should be on that list. I wonder if Barret Jackman will be there.

Wow.
Just went throught the thread and this was the first time Fischer was named.
Wow.
Guys like Pitkanen have done NOTHING, and everyone knows it takes a while for defensemen to develop.
Fischer is big, strong, has a mean streak, he's a good skater, and he's got a great shot.
Plus, he's learning the game from Lidstrom, Chelios, Schneider, Hatcher and company. Plus, he's won a cup and played with guys like Hull, Yzerman and Shanahan.

Look out. Because Fischer could be as good or better than at least half of the people I've seen listed so far.

Arastiroth
10-19-2003, 07:57 PM
1. Niklas Lidstrom
2. Chris Pronger
3. Ed Jovanovski
4. Wade Redden
5. Sergei Gonchar
6. Andrei Markov
7. Zdeno Chara
8. Derek Morris
9. Rostislav Klesla
10. Barrett Jackman

nucks2001
10-19-2003, 08:13 PM
nice to see Ohlund get some props.. He is the Canucks best OV d-man

Jacob
10-19-2003, 09:13 PM
Pronger
Bouwmeester
Brewer
Jackman
Jovanovski
Gonchar
Redden
Chara
Morris
Klesla

komisakick ass
10-19-2003, 09:32 PM
1.Markov
2.Komisarek
3.Hainsey
4.Sourray
5.Brisebois
6.Rivest
7.Shasby
8.Archer
9.Korneev
10.Beauchemin

I AM NOT an homer :D

psycho_dad
10-20-2003, 12:53 AM
Guys like Pitkanen have done NOTHING, and everyone knows it takes a while for defensemen to develop.


Nothing? I have seen him do plenty, he is even better than advertised. I was shocked how good he has been now with Philly, because he has taken a giant leap since last year. But of course it takes a long time for a defenceman to develop...Pitkänen's pace at developing has been more than impressive. We'll see.

Patty Ice
10-20-2003, 07:30 AM
Has Stuart's injuries affected people's choices that much...a year ago he was considered a future Norris winner. It seems though since his concussion and now shoulder injury (not to mention an ankle injury that he was playin on in the 01-02 season), he has fallen outta people's minds or do you see him as too injury-proned now?

easton122
10-20-2003, 11:13 AM
Has Stuart's injuries affected people's choices that much...a year ago he was considered a future Norris winner. It seems though since his concussion and now shoulder injury (not to mention an ankle injury that he was playin on in the 01-02 season), he has fallen outta people's minds or do you see him as too injury-proned now?

Stuart does have a high ceiling IMO but I think he has to put a lot of things together to reach it. He also has to prove he can playing in a few 60+ games seasons IMO.

Darz
10-20-2003, 11:29 AM
Imo:

1. Chris Pronger
2. Wade Redden
3. Jay Bouwmeester
4. Nicklas Lidstrom
5. Derek Morris
6. Eric Brewer
7. Zdeno Chara
8. Ed Jovanovski
9. Scott Niedermayer
10. Andrei Markov

The Mars Volchenkov
10-20-2003, 12:14 PM
1. Chris Pronger - Still young and can dominate.
2. Andrei Markov - Improving so much it's sick.
3. Wade Redden - Very hard to find a smarter defenseman than him other than Lidstrom.
4. Rostislav Klesla - Will be the #1 guy in 10 years, IMO.
5. Ed Jovanovski - Still improving defensively and the offense is always there.
6. Jay Bouwmeester - Will add muscle and continue his rise to the Top 3.
7. Sergei Gonchar - Still a young guy as well.
8. Tomas Kaberle - Late round steal for the Leafs gets better and better.
9. Derek Morris - Still gets beat defensively but has all the tools.
10. Barret Jackman - Mean, nasty, and underrated offensively.

Darkhorse: Karel Rachunek - Some may say it's a homer pick but his potential goes unnoticed. Similar to Kaberle.

mowthecat
10-20-2003, 02:03 PM
It may not look like it now, but I would put Mike Komisarek on any top 10 list 5 years from now. He has more upside than Boumeester. It will just take Komo a bit longer because he is so big and got a late start in the game.


:lol:

Souffle
10-20-2003, 03:27 PM
Hmmm. Okay, here:

1. Markov
2. Brewer
3. Redden
4. Stuart
5. Pitkanen
6. Klesla
7. Bouwmeester
8. Morris
9. Jovanovski
10. Chara

Dark Horse: Mara

David
10-20-2003, 04:59 PM
In no particular order:

Jay Bouwmeester
Andrei Markov
Derek Morris
Brad Stuart
Jiri Fischer
Tom Poti
Chris Pronger
Ed Jovanovski
Scott Niedermayer
Joni Pitkanen

Trevor Daley (Dark horse)

Nicklas Lidstrom (gone to Sweden)

Chaos
10-20-2003, 05:18 PM
In no particular order:

Jay Bouwmeester
Andrei Markov
Derek Morris
Brad Stuart
Jiri Fischer
Tom Poti
Chris Pronger
Ed Jovanovski
Scott Niedermayer
Joni Pitkanen

Trevor Daley (Dark horse)

:handclap: Nice list...good to see Daley get some love from someone other than me

Habs4ever
10-21-2003, 07:10 AM
unlimited potential waiting to pan out, combine two togather and you've got undisputed wild card to become best NO 1 all star in the hockey, might just be the Blake type Diamond in the rogue found by montreal!!

MotownMadman
10-21-2003, 10:47 AM
LOL.. some laughable lists... and that's an understatement. Chara #1? Redden and Chara #1 and #2? LOL

If we're assuming Pronger stays healthy, there's no question he's #1.

I think that Pronger's over-rated. He hasn't improved in the last few years and hasn't shown the ability to step up consistently in the playoffs. I agree it's likely that barring injuries he'll still be a top d-man, but I think that in 5 years Jackman may be the big man in St. Louis.

But (much) more over-rated is Skoula. How can someone who will never be higher than #4 on his team be a #1 in the league? Sure he's got great puck poise :) , but he's definitely no top 10.

On the other hand, Chara looked sweet against Jersey in the EC Finals last year. He seems to be progressing nicely and will definitely be in the top ten in 5 years. His buddy Volchenkov may be in there too among people who like big open ice hits.

One name I've only seen mentioned once is Jiri Fisher. He may be a Wing but this is no homer pick (if it was I would be mentioning Dandy's marvelous finishing skills). Fisher has displayed a great deal of ability so far in both the regular season and playoffs. He still needs to show consistency over the long run but he looks great so far.

Other notables...Ohlund (nuff said), Boynton (has looked pretty good in Boston), Morris (hasn't been as outstanding in Colorado but may grow next to Foote and Blake), and I have to give a vote to Hamhuis in his first few games he's living up to the hype from scouting reports.

Winston Wolf
10-21-2003, 09:01 PM
unlimited potential waiting to pan out, combine two togather and you've got undisputed wild card to become best NO 1 all star in the hockey, might just be the Blake type Diamond in the rogue found by montreal!!
:lol: You keep telling yourself that.

Flames Draft Watcher
10-21-2003, 09:10 PM
Phaneuf looks tremendously good at age 18. I think he has the upside to crack such a list if he keeps developing.

I don't know that Leopold would make top 10 but what I do know is that a lot of you out there don't realize how good this kid will be. Flames #1 d-man in ice time so far this season with 23+ mins. Sutter trusts him for a lot more than just offense.

Vote for most ridiculous suggestion that I noticed goes to Skoula, he does not have a chance at coming anywhere near the top 10 in the league IMO.

Winston Wolf
10-21-2003, 09:14 PM
I think that Pronger's over-rated. He hasn't improved in the last few years and hasn't shown the ability to step up consistently in the playoffs. I agree it's likely that barring injuries he'll still be a top d-man, but I think that in 5 years Jackman may be the big man in St. Louis.


What can Pronger do to improve when he's been healthy? He's the only guy in the league at present time who can even compete with Lidstrom as the best d-man in the league. I don't think you can really say that Pronger is overrated, he does everything for St. Louis. Jackman will be a good d-man, but no way will he ever replace Pronger.

pepchew
10-22-2003, 03:22 AM
Has Stuart's injuries affected people's choices that much...a year ago he was considered a future Norris winner. It seems though since his concussion and now shoulder injury (not to mention an ankle injury that he was playin on in the 01-02 season), he has fallen outta people's minds or do you see him as too injury-proned now?

I just finished scanning through the previous postings and if you hadn't have brought him up I most certainly would have. He was being considered for Canada's Olympic team a few years back but injuries (surprise) prevented him from being given a chance. If he can stay relatively healthy for a few seasons he'll be top 10 for sure in 5 years. Judging by the last couple of years though, that's a big IF.

Dr.Strangelove91
10-22-2003, 04:01 AM
1. Chris Pronger
2. Ed Jovanovski
3. Wade Redden
4. Jay Bouwmeester
5. Scott Niedermayer
6. Mattias Ohlund
7. Rotislav Klesla
8. Tomas Kaberle
9. Andrei Markov
10. Joni Pitkanen

Other candidates: Jeff Jillson, Jordan Leopold, Barret Jackman, Zdeno Chara, Sergei Gonchar, Eric Brewer, Cam Ward :).

Motown Beatdown
10-22-2003, 04:33 AM
I cant believe so many people underestimate Barrett Jackman. But like usual many HF poster rate Dman on how many points they get. In 5 year Jackman is gonna be a top 5 Dman in this leauge. Problem is he'll just be a tough, stay at home Dman.

habdicted
10-22-2003, 06:05 AM
Are you serious? Did you watch the playoffs last year? Nieds is as close as you come to being a complete dman with the exception of Lidstrom IMO.

I second this, on a more offensive team this guy would have won a couple of norris trophy's so far. It's always a pleasure when I get to see him play!

habdicted
10-22-2003, 06:15 AM
Of course I did but I've also watched him about 60 games in the season which is something you haven't done.

Your obviously not a good judge of NHL talent by making this statement

John Flyers Fan
10-22-2003, 06:35 AM
I second this, on a more offensive team this guy would have won a couple of norris trophy's so far. It's always a pleasure when I get to see him play!


He's very good no doubt abou that, but the Devils are not holding him back from being a great offensive defenseman. His insticts are defense first, and that isn't just from playing with the Devils.

MotownMadman
10-22-2003, 06:53 AM
What can Pronger do to improve when he's been healthy?

Stop taking bad penalties for a start. That's the big problem St Louis as a team has in the playoffs. Perhaps I'm also judging him as a captain and that can be unfair.

He's the only guy in the league at present time who can even compete with Lidstrom as the best d-man in the league.

There's a guy on the Avs by the name of Foote who does a decent job. I've also heard of a fellow named Stephens, I think in New Jersey...

Doc_M
10-22-2003, 10:04 AM
It's true that Pronger takes bad penalties, but besides that, there isn't much to complain about. Let's wait until the end of this year to see if he's back and healthy, but last night he was +2, 3 assists ( that pass to Cajanek was something ! ) and 31 minutes of icetime, which was more than Brent Johnson and only 6 minutes less than Tommy Salo, who by the way were the starting goalies !

monster_bertuzzi
10-22-2003, 10:50 AM
When will all of you realize that Lidstrom will be long gone to Sweden in 5 years?

Anyways:

1-Pronger
2-Jovanovski
3-Redden
4-Bouwmeester
5-Ohlund
6-Chara
7-Brewer
8-Morris
9-Gonchar
10-Pitkanen

MotownMadman
10-22-2003, 10:58 AM
It's true that Pronger takes bad penalties, but besides that, there isn't much to complain about.

Consistently stepping up your game in the playoffs. That's where guys like Stevens, Foote and Lidstrom have him beat. He did a good job with the team in 2000 I think it was and they went far, but, again that's where players really show what they have.