What if... Yugoslavia

Where would they rank? Do they have any star players?

If Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Serbia-Montenegro got back together to form a hockey team?

I only know of two players from that region (Anze Kopitar,Dragan Umicevic), are there any other good players?

Thanks

Where would they rank?They probably wouldn't be any better than Slovenia, since that's where 90% of the national team players came from.

Where would they rank? Do they have any star players?

If Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Serbia-Montenegro got back together to form a hockey team?

I only know of two players from that region (Anze Kopitar,Dragan Umicevic), are there any other good players?

Thanks
Best place to ask would be this Croatian and Slovenian Hockey forum (http://www.internationalhockeygang.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=57)

If Joe Sakic took on a Croatian jersey, then yeah, we'd be better... Otherwise, apart from Goran Bezina (who plays for Switzerland anyway) it's pretty much all Slovenia.

Well, I know for sure that Dragan Umicevic is Serb... i think...

Well, I know for sure that Dragan Umicevic is Serb... i think...He plays for Sweden, though, which seems only natural since that's where he grew up.

Well, they all play for different countries... but...

(so... speaking of origin or heritage)
Joe Sakic - Croatia
Goran Bezina - Croatia
Ed Jovanovski - Macedonia
Branko Radivojevic - Serbia
John Jakopin - Slovenia
Dragan Umicevic - Serbia

Add to that Anze Kopitar and some other Slovenian guys (like Marcel Rodman, drafted by Boston), and you'd have a decent roster... They could compete with the likes of Kazahstan, Latvia, etc.. Maybe even Germany.

Could compete with Latvia? Yes.

Would win? Not likely.

Yugoslavia wouldn't do any better than Slovenia is doing now. Maybe even worse...

Well, I know for sure that Dragan Umicevic is Serb... i think...


Actually he is Bosnian Serb so he should be listed as Bosnian. But of course he grew up in Sweden and he is Swedish.

Why would anybody wanna reunite Yugoslavia..please that would be horrible no matter what reason, even if it's for hockey!

Why would anybody wanna reunite Yugoslavia..please that would be horrible no matter what reason, even if it's for hockey!

No misintent here, I was reading about how the basketball team got separated by the war and some of the star players who wanted to stay friends and couldnt, who were thinking of re-uniting, so I wondered if hockey could put up a semi-decent team.

No misintent here, I was reading about how the basketball team got separated by the war and some of the star players who wanted to stay friends and couldnt, who were thinking of re-uniting, so I wondered if hockey could put up a semi-decent team.


Hipoteticaly re-uniting would do much better for some other sports for example football, basketball, waterpolo, handball... Hockey wouldn't profite much from it since 90% would be anyway from Slovenia.

Hipoteticaly re-uniting would do much better for some other sports for example football, basketball, waterpolo, handball... Hockey wouldn't profite much from it since 90% would be anyway from Slovenia.
I don't see reuniting being a big advantage. Although you would have a bigger pool of talented players to choose from, it would create the same problems they had when Yugoslvia was a country before. It would be all corrupted again..coaches from one nation would only choose players from the same nation, then the others would complain that the Serbian coach only chooses Serbs, that the Croatian coach only would choose Croatians..believe me we've seen this story before. So even if you would have more good players to choose from you woudn't necessarily have a better team as the politics would corrupt the whole process as it did before.

On the contrary the break-up of Yugoslavia was a good thing for sports for all the nations involved. In Soccer for example, Croatia achieved more in 10 years than Yugoslvia ever did in its history (3rd place in World Cup of 98), Croatia is already 2 times olympic gold medal winner in handball as well as world champions, they also won silver medal in Basketbal in Barcelona at the Olympics. And Serbia are water polo champions, Basketball world champions..

Yes, you are right. I was thinking of the talent pool. More like a fantasy, like fantasies about Quebec team... Of course it wouldn't be possible.

Well, they all play for different countries... but...

(so... speaking of origin or heritage)
Joe Sakic - Croatia
Goran Bezina - Croatia
Ed Jovanovski - Macedonia
Branko Radivojevic - Serbia
John Jakopin - Slovenia
Dragan Umicevic - Serbia

Add to that Anze Kopitar and some other Slovenian guys (like Marcel Rodman, drafted by Boston), and you'd have a decent roster... They could compete with the likes of Kazahstan, Latvia, etc.. Maybe even Germany.

I think Radivojevic is either a Czech or Slovak... Not certain.

As both part Serb and part Albanian, I always wondered why hockey wasn't bigger in this part of Eastern Europe.

Radivojevic may have been born elsewhere, but he is definitly Serbian.

Radivojevic may have been born elsewhere, but he is definitly Serbian.
Agreed.

He was born in Slovakia though.

Another thing.. I always thought Jovanovski was a Polish name.

Another thing.. I always thought Jovanovski was a Polish name.

I remember watching a segment on Jovanovski's culture. I remember one of these things he said, "People think i'm Polish, but i'm not. I'm proud to be Macedonian."

Jowanowski is polish, but the V's make it more Yugoslavian,

I remember watching a segment on Jovanovski's culture. I remember one of these things he said, "People think i'm Polish, but i'm not. I'm proud to be Macedonian."

Jowanowski is polish, but the V's make it more Yugoslavian,

... make it more Macedonian.

The rest of Yugoslavia has the ending -ic

I remember watching a segment on Jovanovski's culture. I remember one of these things he said, "People think i'm Polish, but i'm not. I'm proud to be Macedonian."

Jowanowski is polish, but the V's make it more Yugoslavian,

Another thing.. I always thought Jovanovski was a Polish name.


Ed is Canadian Name or American, but Jovanovski is definitively Мacedonian surname, and finally, his parents are from Macedonia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Jovanovski

I remember watching a segment on Jovanovski's culture. I remember one of these things he said, "People think i'm Polish, but i'm not. I'm proud to be Macedonian."

Jowanowski is polish, but the V's make it more Yugoslavian,


You made a mistake with his surname, if he was Jowanowski,maybe he can be a Polish, but in this case, he is Jovanovsi, that meen he is Macedonian.

What about Weinrich or Bartovic?

Where would they rank? Do they have any star players?

If Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Serbia-Montenegro got back together to form a hockey team?

I only know of two players from that region (Anze Kopitar,Dragan Umicevic), are there any other good players?

ThanksWhat if Pangea never split up.....

What about Weinrich or Bartovic?

Weinrich sounds Jewish.

Actually he is Bosnian Serb so he should be listed as Bosnian. But of course he grew up in Sweden and he is Swedish.

No he is not. He is a Serb, period.

Bosnians - people of Islamic faith and Ukrainians living there
Serbs - well Serbs
Croats - well Croats

If Umicevic says he's a Serb, which he did, then he's what he says he is.

Also:

Dmitry Kristhich was born in Belgrade, Serbia. Not sure if he is Serbian or Ukrainian though.

Peter Popovic is definitely Serbian which I know for a fact.

Adrien Plavsic is Serbian eve though he has a Croatian sounding name.

Sasha Lakovic is Serbian as well.

Ned Lukacevic is from Montenegro iirc.

Peter Popovic is definitely Serbian which I know for a fact.

Adrien Plavsic is Serbian eve though he has a Croatian sounding name.

Sasha Lakovic is Serbian as well.

Ned Lukacevic is from Montenegro iirc.


Who are these 4? Popovic sounds familiar but I really don't know who they are.

Who are these 4? Popovic sounds familiar but I really don't know who they are.
Peter Popovic = nicknamed "Gentle Giant". A SWE D.

Dont know the other 3.

Peter Popovic = nicknamed "Gentle Giant". A SWE D.

Dont know the other 3.
Plavsic is a Canadian defenseman playing in Switzerland. Won the league with Zurich a couple of years ago.

Dont know the other 2 :)

No he is not. He is a Serb, period.

Bosnians - people of Islamic faith and Ukrainians living there
Serbs - well Serbs
Croats - well Croats

If Umicevic says he's a Serb, which he did, then he's what he says he is.

Also:

Dmitry Kristhich was born in Belgrade, Serbia. Not sure if he is Serbian or Ukrainian though.

Peter Popovic is definitely Serbian which I know for a fact.

Adrien Plavsic is Serbian eve though he has a Croatian sounding name.

Sasha Lakovic is Serbian as well.

Ned Lukacevic is from Montenegro iirc.Sasha Lakovic has called himself a Croat. He's a Vancouver native that has played both in the NHL (mainly cast as an enforcer) and in Roller Hockey
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=00006387

No he is not. He is a Serb, period.

Bosnians - people of Islamic faith and Ukrainians living there
Serbs - well Serbs
Croats - well Croats

If Umicevic says he's a Serb, which he did, then he's what he says he is.

Also:

Dmitry Kristhich was born in Belgrade, Serbia. Not sure if he is Serbian or Ukrainian though.

Peter Popovic is definitely Serbian which I know for a fact.

Adrien Plavsic is Serbian eve though he has a Croatian sounding name.

Sasha Lakovic is Serbian as well.

Ned Lukacevic is from Montenegro iirc.

He's Ukrainian

Ned Lukacevic is a Kings prospect.

He's Ukrainian

I asked around and I got mixed answers, but two remained a constant. He was born in Belgrade, and lived a part of his childhood in Ukraine.

- some say that his family moved to Ukraine
- others say that he is half/half
- some think that he is Serbian, but changed his last name from "Kristic" to "Khristich" when he came over to NA.

I asked around and I got mixed answers, but two remained a constant. He was born in Belgrade, and lived a part of his childhood in Ukraine.

- some say that his family moved to Ukraine
- others say that he is half/half
- some think that he is Serbian, but changed his last name from "Kristic" to "Khristich" when he came over to NA.
This is interesting, since I always thought he was born in Kiev (all official almanachs say that). I was about to laugh at you, but then it does sound like Kristic, which does sound Serbian.. the "ch" ending is something utilized by Russians/Ukrainians. But it sounds the same as "ic" in Serbian, only Serbian has a small "five" semicircle under the 'c'... So he could be a Sovietized Serbian for all we know.. Like Pavel Bure, whose great-grandfather originally came from France with a last name close to Bourret or something. It just sounds Bure in Russian, and so it was translated into english.

This is interesting, since I always thought he was born in Kiev (all official almanachs say that). I was about to laugh at you, but then it does sound like Kristic, which does sound Serbian.. the "ch" ending is something utilized by Russians/Ukrainians. But it sounds the same as "ic" in Serbian, only Serbian has a small "five" semicircle under the 'c'... So he could be a Sovietized Serbian for all we know.. Like Pavel Bure, whose great-grandfather originally came from France with a last name close to Bourret or something. It just sounds Bure in Russian, and so it was translated into english.

most probable reason why all official almanachs say that he was born in Kiev is because the family moved there when he was small and he may have grown up there. Now is he a serbian who moved to Ukraine, or a ukrainian born in serbia who moved to ukraine or is he half serbian/half ukrainian who was born in Serbia and grew up in ukraine I can't say for sure.

the reason why i think he may be serbian who grew up in Ukraine is because of both his first and last name. Dmitriy = Dmitro or Dmitar are Serbian equivalents and Kristic is a very common last name in Serbia.

Well if Peter Popovic is Serbian, I'd take a guess Atlanta prospect Mark Popovic is as well. Nick Drazenovic sounds like a Serbian name too.

Well if Peter Popovic is Serbian, I'd take a guess Atlanta prospect Mark Popovic is as well. Nick Drazenovic sounds like a Serbian name too.

You're right about Mark Popovic. Nick Drazenovic I have no clue about.

how about Mark Fistric he has to be Serbian?

no idea about Fistric, could be Serbian or Croatian.

Like Pavel Bure, whose great-grandfather originally came from France with a last name close to Bourret or something. It just sounds Bure in Russian, and so it was translated into english.

His great grandfather was a watchmaker.And he was French but from a Swiss canton.PB :bow:

Hopefully Serbia can recover as they have in the football after all that oppression.

Hopefully Serbia can recover as they have in the football after all that oppression.

Oppression? :confused:

They haven't recovered from anything. Good football team is just because it's just traditionaly #1 sport, not because they invested money in it or because of smart developing programs. There are no developing programs! Just old dirty remains from the past and mafia from the present.

Pretty much the same sh*** in my country as well. Sad. :shakehead

Oppression? :confused:

They haven't recovered from anything. Good football team is just because it's just traditionaly #1 sport, not because they invested money in it or because of smart developing programs. There are no developing programs! Just old dirty remains from the past and mafia from the present.

Pretty much the same sh*** in my country as well. Sad. :shakehead

yes oppresion. being bombed by everyone and their dog for fighting terrorism within your own borders is just that.

You just had to comment didn't you? You have no clue who is running the Football Association, Basketball Association... in Serbia. Mafia? Maybe in your country.

Don't talk about stuff that you have no clue about.

yes oppresion. being bombed by everyone and their dog for fighting terrorism within your own borders is just that.

You just had to comment didn't you? You have no clue who is running the Football Association, Basketball Association... in Serbia. Mafia? Maybe in your country.

Don't talk about stuff that you have no clue about.

I am not entering political discussions with you. We can talk about anything else.

To clear things up, I am by no means nationalist and if there's anything in this world that I hate, then it's people who first look at colour, origin and nationality. I have many Serbian friends, visit your country quite often so I can judge things very realisticaly. Can you?

I don't have to see something to know that it's true. I don't know who runs your associations but since your whole country is run by mafia (just like mine) I'm sure those associations that you're talking about are as well. After all, Serbian football league is very corrupted and famous of fixing games. But that's a public secret so I cannot give you any proofs; and neither can you for the opposite.

I am not accepting ''you have no clue about it'' from a guy who lives 15 000 km from here. Reading internet news is not enough.

serbian league is famous for fixing games? Show me proof, or don't talk about it. Serbia is run by mafia? Prove it or stop making accusations.

As for me being away, trust me i don't read the papers or internet news, especially North American ones because they are so biased to one side that there no point in reading them.

I was there for the war of 1991-1995 and the bombing in 1999. Please don't tell me that I don't know what I am talking about. I know what I am talking about, but most people refuse to believe anything unless its on CNN so I'd just as soon not talk about it.

serbian league is famous for fixing games? Show me proof, or don't talk about it. Serbia is run by mafia? Prove it or stop making accusations.

It's pretty obvious that you don't live here... I just told you that I cannot prove you that! Some things are well known without being proved on court! Just like everybody knew that there was fixing games in Italy but couldn't prove it until few days ago. Somebody will prove the same thing for Serbian football one day. And denying it just shows me how ignorat you are and how far away you live.

And yes, Serbia is run by mafia! Who do you think is hiding 2 of the most wanted fugitives in the world (apart from Bin Laden)? Who the ******* do you think killed your prime minister 3 years ago?! Honest people who care about prosperity and peace??? :biglaugh:


As for me being away, trust me i don't read the papers or internet news, especially North American ones because they are so biased to one side that there no point in reading them.


If you live 15 000 km away and don't read any internet news how do you know anything at all and how do you even dare arguing with me? And then I don't have a clue... ha ha!

Did you even know that your prime minister was killed? Your new one is Vojislav Kostunica and your new president is Boris Tadic. Your former president died in prison 2 months ago.

Well, many things happend after 95' and 99' when you were here. Things almost as horrible as war. And you missed that so I cannot take you seriously.

This discussion is over until you either grow up or take your Militaire glasses off.

In the meantime; educate yourself with an unbiased and reliable site: http://www.b92.net/indexs.phtml

It's pretty obvious that you don't live here... I just told you that I cannot prove you that!

If you don't have any PROOF, written PROOF then quit making accusations. Who the hell do you think you are to talk about Serbia?

Who do you think is hiding 2 of the most wanted fugitives in the world (apart from Bin Laden)?

Do you know they are in Serbia? No you don't, you are just talking out of your a**. For all anyone knows they could be anywhere on the bloody planet. Speaking of fugitives, how about the support that croat government has publicly given to the killer Gotovina?

If you live 15 000 km away and don't read any internet news how do you know anything at all and how do you even dare arguing with me? And then I don't have a clue... ha ha!

I have relatives, family and friends who are a helluva lot more reliable than any media. Add to that the fact that either myself or someone from my immediate family goes to Serbia once or twice a year. Also who the **** do you think you are? Why shouldn't I argue when you are obviously lying and making stuff up for no reason.

YOU are the one who needs to grow up because YOU turned a hockey discussion into a political one.

I wear regular prescription glasses, but you are wearing the type that turns you into a bloody annoying liar.

Grow up.

This is getting funny...

If you don't have any PROOF, written PROOF then quit making accusations. Who the hell do you think you are to talk about Serbia?

You need a proof that Zoran Djindjic is dead? I honestly hope you don't... As for the proof about the corruption in your football; you''ll have to wait a little bit more. And I din't know that only those who were borne there have a right to talk about Serbia. You have no rights to talk about Canada!

BTW, take a look at this forum and see yourself what Serbians think about it all. To me it sounds like mafia... http://forum.b92.net/lofiversion/index.php/f7.html

Do you know they are in Serbia? No you don't, you are just talking out of your a**. For all anyone knows they could be anywhere on the bloody planet.

Do you know that they are not? Well, tell all that to your minister then. This is how your minister publicly accuses maifa.
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2006&mm=05&dd=13&nav_category=64&nav_id=197584

At least I'm not the only one talking from my a**. I guess all those people in the forum are also talking from thier a**es. They shouldn't be banned from the country for that. Or killed.

Speaking of fugitives, how about the support that croat government has publicly given to the killer Gotovina?

I apslolutely agree! My goverment makes me ashamed to be a Croat. I HATE them! You see, it's not that hard to admit the mistakes of your country. But I know your pride doesn't let you to admit the same.

Also who the **** do you think you are? Why shouldn't I argue when you are obviously lying and making stuff up for no reason.
I wear regular prescription glasses, but you are wearing the type that turns you into a bloody annoying liar.

Why are you calling me a liar? Please, show me where I lied. You'd want me to lie but I'm not giving you that satisfaction. Unlike you, I am not pressured by any special feelings towards any of the sides and I apsolutely feel no need to lie. I'm just trying to look at things realisticly and unbiased.

If you feel the need to reply do it via PM so that hockey talk can continue in this thread.

I am not wasting any more valuable forum space on you.

Fellas' let's get back to Hockey.

It's really unfortunate that the great South Slav people were so marginalized by the unfortunate circumstance of half the country being split and given to the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the other to The Ottoman Empire. That's how all this unfortunate business began.

The other problem being that there never has been a period of at least over 50 years between wars so that everyone can forget about "brother killing brother" etc. for everyone to realize what a great people the South Slavs can really be.

As for a National/Olympic team, I would certainly include all the great players with Yugoslav heritage playing in the NHL and Minors.

Lukacevic's profile says he's from Podgorica, Serbia.

Lukacevic's profile says he's from Podgorica, Montenegro.

May as well fix it before that croat comes in here

Sinisa Martinovic is a youngster at the Kassel Huskies but sadly decided to take on German citizenship.Hes yet to play for any of the teams & its still possible he could be taken on by Serbia.Hes not a bad player & would help the squad.

Sinisa Martinovic is a youngster at the Kassel Huskies but sadly decided to take on German citizenship.Hes yet to play for any of the teams & its still possible he could be taken on by Croatia.Hes not a bad player & would help the squad.

http://www.eurohockey.net/players/show_player.cgi?serial=25400

He definitely would help the squad. But I don't know if he's really hoping to get a place on the German team. :dunno:

Oops apologies ! ;) Well he would bolster the Croat squad then !

No he is not. He is a Serb, period.

Bosnians - people of Islamic faith and Ukrainians living there
Serbs - well Serbs
Croats - well Croats

If Umicevic says he's a Serb, which he did, then he's what he says he is.

Also:

Dmitry Kristhich was born in Belgrade, Serbia. Not sure if he is Serbian or Ukrainian though.

Peter Popovic is definitely Serbian which I know for a fact.

Adrien Plavsic is Serbian eve though he has a Croatian sounding name.

Sasha Lakovic is Serbian as well.

Ned Lukacevic is from Montenegro iirc.


Just to set the record straight: Sasha and Ned are both from Podgorica, Montenegro and both are SERBS. If you take a close look at Sasha's pics on his website(www.sashalakovic.com), he has a serbian tatoo on his arm. Oh also, Ned is Sasha's nephew and to the guy that said Sasha has called himself a Croat before, NOT TRUE. Why would he do that? He's a SERB.

come on guys, lets be civil here. I'm Albanian (as evidence by my flag and sig) and i think its stupid for Serbs and Croats and whomever to fight about which nationality is superior to another. Lets get back to talking about the greatest sport in the world..... and why the Devils suck, hehe :-)

http://www.eurohockey.net/players/show_player.cgi?serial=25400

He definitely would help the squad. But I don't know if he's really hoping to get a place on the German team. :dunno:

Sinisa Martinovic has already played for Croatia in several Div II/III World Champs. His brother Sasa has played for the German national team in at least one exhibition game.

No he is not. He is a Serb, period.

Bosnians - people of Islamic faith and Ukrainians living there
Serbs - well Serbs
Croats - well Croats

If Umicevic says he's a Serb, which he did, then he's what he says he is.

Also:

Dmitry Kristhich was born in Belgrade, Serbia. Not sure if he is Serbian or Ukrainian though.

Peter Popovic is definitely Serbian which I know for a fact.

Adrien Plavsic is Serbian eve though he has a Croatian sounding name.

Sasha Lakovic is Serbian as well.

Ned Lukacevic is from Montenegro iirc.

According to every source possible, he was born in Kyiv, Ukraine.

I'd like to see a source if you have one though.

According to every source possible, he was born in Kyiv, Ukraine.

I'd like to see a source if you have one though.

There is a Serbian guy here in Edmonton who knows Dimitry. thats how I know for sure

i dont know why some people has to mix politics with sports:banghead: .

i think that reuniting yugoslavia in hockey terms wouldnt be good for slovenia. because most of the players that played for yugoslavia team was from slovenia. slovenia was a powerhouse in yugoslav hockey as slovenian clubs won 33 out of 46 championships. and those championship that wasnt won by slovenian clubs where won by clubs which had thier best players from slovenia. besides slovenia i have serius doubts that any other national team from ex-yugoslavia will qualify on WC in the next 25 years or even 50 years.

Steve Staios's family is Macedonian I believe, although his last name is Greek.

Just wondering when the season starts & where do you get results, boxscores & stats (in English)? Thanks for any info anyone can give me. :D

Oh boy! Where is Tito to give you guys all a big noogie?

Radivojevic may have been born elsewhere, but he is definitly Serbian.

branko was born in Piestany, Slovakia to serbian parrents....
Branko is slovak

http://slovaknhl.sk/hraci_radivojevic.php

No he is not. He is a Serb, period.

Bosnians - people of Islamic faith and Ukrainians living there
Serbs - well Serbs
Croats - well Croats
.

When I lived in Bosnia, I knew many ethnic Croat, Slovenes, and Serbs who identified themselves as Bosnian. Even during the height of the war, I knew Serb families in Zagreb who identified themselves as Croatian citizens. And, in Crna Gora, which is no longer part of Serbia proper, most people are ETHNIC Serbs but not Serbian citizens.

The distinction here is between somebody's ethnic/racial background and nationality. I myself am largely from a Magyar background but I was born and raised in America and there is any trace of Hungarian culture in my family.

In the NHL, you have players with all sorts of ethnic backgrounds but are still citizens of North American countries.

What about Weinrich or Bartovic?

bartovic??... slovak :)
weinrich sounds like german austrian or swiss....

who do you think was the greatest yugoslav to play?

me- zvonko suvak

branko was born in Piestany, Slovakia to serbian parrents....
Branko is slovak

http://slovaknhl.sk/hraci_radivojevic.phpThat explains it then. I always thought his name sounded more Serbian than Slovakian.

branko was born in Piestany, Slovakia to serbian parrents....
Branko is slovak

http://slovaknhl.sk/hraci_radivojevic.php



well then...how can he be slovak?...

well then...how can he be slovak?...Well, he was raised in Slovakia, and the Slovakian hockey federation developed him. It does not matter (from the IIHF's nationality sense) that ethically he is Serbian.

thats true...he is a serb then with slovakian citizenship ;)

No he is not. He is a Serb, period.

Bosnians - people of Islamic faith and Ukrainians living there
Serbs - well Serbs
Croats - well Croats



I'm guessing you've never actually seen the Balcans, eh?


Croats - croatia (mostly catholic) - eg. Joe Sakic
Serbs - Serbia (mosthly ortodox) - eg. Branko Radivojevic
Slovenians - Slovenia (catholic) - eg Anze Kopitar
Macedonians - Macedonia -eg. Ed Jovanovski
Montenegrans - montenegro, until very recently part of remnants of Yugoslavia with Serbia

Bosnia - 3 peoples, 3 religions... Croats, Serbs, Muslims (this is actually stated as a nationality in their passports)... they all have Bosnian and Herzegovinian citizenship

Where you dug Ukranians from I have no frigging idea.

For what it counts, from someone who actually lives here...


BTW; Expected influx of Slovenians fans to HF boards FTW! welcome neighbours ;)

yes oppresion. being bombed by everyone and their dog for fighting terrorism within your own borders is just that.

You just had to comment didn't you? You have no clue who is running the Football Association, Basketball Association... in Serbia. Mafia? Maybe in your country.

Don't talk about stuff that you have no clue about.

Uhm... Not getting into politics here... And I couldn't care less about what people think about the war here...

But I gotta say this post was funny.

You do know the war never took place in Serbia, right? What terrorist rofl??

Bah...




Anyway, couple of other guys in Switzerland playing... Like Dario Kostovic, Croatian...

All in all, Slovenians have the best shot at progressing in the world of international hockey. And I hope they do, we need more hockey coverage here.

I'm guessing you've never actually seen the Balcans, eh?


Croats - croatia (mostly catholic) - eg. Joe Sakic
Serbs - Serbia (mosthly ortodox) - eg. Branko Radivojevic
Slovenians - Slovenia (catholic) - eg Anze Kopitar


well slovenia is catholic if you compere the numbers of religues people...but there are allmost 50% of people that are atheist (or just dont belive in god)...while croatians are truly very religius catholics....

yeah i dont know where he dug out ukranians :dunno:

Uhm... Not getting into politics here... And I couldn't care less about what people think about the war here...

But I gotta say this post was funny.

You do know the war never took place in Serbia, right? What terrorist rofl??

Bah...




Anyway, couple of other guys in Switzerland playing... Like Dario Kostovic, Croatian...

All in all, Slovenians have the best shot at progressing in the world of international hockey. And I hope they do, we need more hockey coverage here.

I suspect his comment about war and fighting terrorism in Serbia was a reference to the war in Kosovo.

The Slovenians do have a good shot at progressing. But, I think the Slovene development program will be like Switzerland and other smaller central European nations. You'll turn out a stud every once in a while but there will be relatively few first round picks.

Would Nicholas Drazenovic's family be Serbian?

Would Nicholas Drazenovic's family be Serbian?

Most likely, yeah. Though there are Croats etc. named Drazenovic too.

Most likely, yeah. Though there are Croats etc. named Drazenovic too.

Sweet! I drafted him in a fantasy league for the simple fact that he is a fellow Serb! :)

What about Ondrej Nemec, a Penguins' draft pick a few years back. I know he is from either Slovakia or the Czech Republic, but Nemec sounds Serbian/Croatian.