Lidstrom or Pronger?

Lidstrom vs a 100% healthy Pronger, who would u choose?

I'd take Lidstrom. He's just better IMO. That said, they are the top 2 defenseman in the game without a doubt when they are both healthy. Pronger takes a lot of stupid penalties. Lidstrom' doesn't. Some will argue that Lidstrom lacks the physical presence of Pronger, but that doesn't really matter because he's smarter and still better defenseively and offensively than the big man.

Probably Pronger. You don't see a hard nosed defenseman this good very often at all.

If I was starting a franchise no doubt I would snag Pronger. But I would choose Lidstrom for this year.

I'd choose Lidstrom. Pronger is exceptionally talented, but he can't rush the puck like Lidstrom can and he can sometimes take bad penalties.

Pronger....last time a defenseman won the Hart was....?

Pronger....last time a defenseman won the Hart was....?

Last time Pronger won 3 straight Norris trophy's...?

Last time Pronger won 3 straight Norris trophy's...?

Which could be the worst argument in all of this comparison.

A.Pronger is what 5 years younger than Lidstrom?
B.Pronger has had health issues.Which you can't blame him for playing all out.
C.Pronger's team is/has been far inferior to Lidstrom's the past 7 or so years.

I'd take Pronger easily over Lidstrom.

Lidstrom - if I could have one of them at the start of there career.

Pronger - now

Lidstrom all the way.

I'd take Lidstrom in a very hard decision!

Which could be the worst argument in all of this comparison.

A.Pronger is what 5 years younger than Lidstrom?
B.Pronger has had health issues.Which you can't blame him for playing all out.
C.Pronger's team is/has been far inferior to Lidstrom's the past 7 or so years.
Poor argument as well from your part.

1. nik before was nominated i dont know how many times before he actually won the norris to begin with, and its not his fault pronger cant win one

2. you cant blame nik for staying healthy, well you can, but thats stupid, he's worked his ass off, won 3 norris' 3 cups and so what if he doesnt play a aggressive hard-nosed game, he obviously is getting the job done way above par.

3. Lidstrom has MADE this team a winner basically, no nik ever = probably no cups ever. He was A HUGE part of what made us a winner, everytime he's out of the line-up it seams we get really hurt, i wonder why.....

Poor argument as well from your part.

1. nik before was nominated i dont know how many times before he actually won the norris to begin with, and its not his fault pronger cant win one

2. you cant blame nik for staying healthy, well you can, but thats stupid, he's worked his ass off, won 3 norris' 3 cups and so what if he doesnt play a aggressive hard-nosed game, he obviously is getting the job done way above par.

3. Lidstrom has MADE this team a winner basically, no nik ever = probably no cups ever. He was A HUGE part of what made us a winner, everytime he's out of the line-up it seams we get really hurt, i wonder why.....

I'd take you a lil more seriously if you didnt have a red wing as your avatar...but....

1.Close is only close in horseshoes and hand grenades.
2.This poll is considering Pronger is ALWAYS 100%.Your telling me you'd rather have a player who doesnt play as physical as Pronger. Doesnt stick for his teammates as much as Pronger does and is arguably not-as-good a lead as Pronger?
3.That's a lil farfetched dont ya think? Your saying Yzerman,Shanahan,Larionov,Feds,Konstantinov,Hasek etc wouldnt have won you cups?

It's a pointless questoin to ask. People have forgotten how dominant Pronger was before Khavanov broke his arm in 2001. There was a reason that 80% of NHL GM's picked Pronger the summer before that season. And, I can guarantee you it's not because Lidstom was better defensively than Pronger as onearm would like to believe.

3. Lidstrom has MADE this team a winner basically, no nik ever = probably no cups ever. He was A HUGE part of what made us a winner, everytime he's out of the line-up it seams we get really hurt, i wonder why.....

If I could trademark the phrase "Typical Red Wing Argument" and define it, this would be it. Unless you can prove that those teams would not have won the Cup with Chris Pronger on them rather than Lidstrom, the number of Cups won is completely irrelevent.

If I could trademark the phrase "Typical Red Wing Argument" and define it, this would be it. Unless you can prove that those teams would not have won the Cup with Chris Pronger on them rather than Lidstrom, the number of Cups won is completely irrelevent.

It's not irrelevant at all. That's like saying that when Eric Lindros is compared to Mark Messier, the 6 Cups Messier has won are irrelevant because you can't prove that the Oilers/Rangers wouldn't have won with Lindros instead.

Of course, if I could trademark the "Typical Blues Argument" it would be "Pronger is better because he is more physical", which discounts the fact that Lidstrom is much better offensively, is just as good defensively playing a style that doesn't wear him down, takes far less penalties, is a more intelligent player, and doesn't cost his team games because of his temper.

It's unfortunate that most Wings fans are unable to hold a decent conversation. As soon as you said that "Lidstrom is much better offensively" you made it extremely obvious to anyone who has a clue that you don't have one. Lidstrom MAY be SLIGHTLY better offensively, but he is FAR from much better.

It's unfortunate that most Wings fans are unable to hold a decent conversation. As soon as you said that "Lidstrom is much better offensively" you made it extremely obvious to anyone who has a clue that you don't have one. Lidstrom MAY be SLIGHTLY better offensively, but he is FAR from much better.

Perhaps you might want to look at the career numbers. Pronger has one season over 50 points, Lidstrom and hit that total 10 times, including 8 years straight.

100% Pronger.

Lidstrom in a tough choice.

Pronger is an amazing defenseman. He is solid offensivly, great defensivly and a great physical presence but he has had bad luck with injuries. He is a very important part to the Blues back end. Pronger also hasnt had so many seasons like that one in 2000 due to injuries and we really dont know if he would have been as dominant.

Lidstrom is an amazing defenseman. He is great at both ends of the rink, but lacks a mean streak like Pronger has. He has been lucky and has managed to stay healthy. Im not sure if I agree with Zetterberg40 saying that we wouldnt have won the cups, but I think we would have had a hard time without him shutting down the Legion of Doom. I think some people think that Lidstrom is soft.

Perhaps you might want to look at the career numbers. Pronger has one season over 50 points, Lidstrom and hit that total 10 times, including 8 years straight.

Perhaps you might want to actually watch the game where it is played on the ice instead of relying on ESPN.com for your hockey knowledge. But, let's talk about stats. Pronger's offensive game didn't develop to the point where it is today until his Hart Trophy season scored 62 points in 79 games. The next season, he scored 47 points in 51 games (a PPG that Lidstrom has never achieved). The games missed during that season where due to a puck that broke his lower forearm. Now, since you are such an expert on Chris Pronger I shouldn't have to explain this, but that is what truly started his wrist problems. The next season his pass and shot strength was obviously not there. After the season, he had multiple wrist surgeries. The doctors that operated said they couldn't even believe that that he was able to play a sport with the condition of his wrist.

So... yes, Lidstrom has been producing longer. We all know that just as we know that Lidstrom scored more than 50 points when Chris Pronger was 20 years old is about as irrelevent as it gets. What I'm concerned about is today. Today, Chris Pronger is just as good as an offensive player as Lidstrom. His outlet passes are better than anyone elses in the league.

Lidstrom

Lidstrom

Lidstrom. He's the best d-man in the league, without question. He also may very well be the best player in the league.

Nicklas Lidstrom.

I'd take Lidstrom in a very hard decision!

I agree...IMO Lidstrom gets the nod in a tough call.

Niklas Lidstrom

Niklas Lidstrom

Reputation alone will place Lidstorm ahead of Pronger, but i have a feeling at the end of the season, their level of play will be very similar.

Lidstrom vs a 100% healthy Pronger, who would u choose?I am going to get calledc a homer, but a healthy Pronger is the best D-man in the NHL.

Last time Pronger won 3 straight Norris trophy's...?I know that ifd a frog had wings he wouldnt bump his butt, that being said Pronger was probably the favorite to win his second straight Norris when he originally hurt his wrist causing all his problems?

Reputation alone will place Lidstorm ahead of Pronger, but i have a feeling at the end of the season, their level of play will be very similar.

that is if Pronger is healthy for the remainder of the season and steps up his game to the level where he once was or close to it

that is if Pronger is healthy for the remainder of the season and steps up his game to the level where he once was or close to itI dont know how many Blues games you have seen this year, but Prongs is nearing top speed already and has been flat out dominant at times.

that is if Pronger is healthy for the remainder of the season and steps up his game to the level where he once was or close to it

I really have no idea what Pronger you have been watching this season.

I would rather have Lidstrom. He barely ever makes mistakes while Pronger can lose his temper and take stupid penalties.

I'd take Lidstrom by a slim, very slim margin. The only reason I prefer Lidstrom over Pronger is that he plays as well defensively (different style) but doesn't take bad penalties. One of the smartest player out there and a class act.

Lidstrom.

Perhaps you might want to actually watch the game where it is played on the ice instead of relying on ESPN.com for your hockey knowledge. But, let's talk about stats. Pronger's offensive game didn't develop to the point where it is today until his Hart Trophy season scored 62 points in 79 games. The next season, he scored 47 points in 51 games (a PPG that Lidstrom has never achieved).



Lidstrom has put up a 73 and a 71 points season. That's about the same ppg than Pronger and he wasn't running the power-play with Al MacInnis. At that time on the pp he had old Yzerman, Shanahan and 60-pointer Fedorov as top players while Pronger had Tkachuk, Demitra, Turgeon (or Weight) and good ol' Al. Hell, that year MacInnis had 54 pts in 59 games and Turgeon had 82 points while Young score 40 goals and Demitra had 45 points in 44 games. Put Lidstrom in that system and he'll put up 80 points on the scoresheet. And it's one thing to keep a one point-per-game average for 51 games and doing it over a span of 82 games. Consistency has to be a factor. Pronger, even when healthy, has never score 70 points at this point of his career.

What's even more impressive from Lidstrom part is that he seems to get even better come playoff time. In 95, he had 16 points in 18 games, in the 98 playoffs, he had 19 points in 22 games and in the next year he had 11 points in 10 games. To finish it off, in the 2002 playoffs, he won the Smythe trophy as MVP.

When you take in consideration that he played under Bowman in one of the most demanding defensive system of the 90s his offensive stats becomes even more impressive. In the 1999-2000 and the 2000-2001 seasons, Lidstrom finished as 2nd (5 points of team leader) and 3rd best (6 points of team leader) scorer on a team who had 108 and 111 points seasons. The best defensemen of the under-35 age group.

When Pronger's at his best, there's no-one better, but since Lidstrom is at his best more, then he's the better choice.

Too tough to call really.