Osgood gives Blues fans a flashback

of Grant Fuhr. Big saves followed by horrible goals. For all the grief Johnson gets, he hasn't had a meltdown that ugly in quite awhile. I'm kind of curious why Q left Osgood in there to be honest. Johnson would have gotten the gate after the 1st bad one, let alone four (I'm leaning towards all five being bad as Osgood also saw Hull's shot and didn't get it either). Not going for a lynch Osgood motif here; so, anybody that's going to babble on about that stuff can go away before saying it. Just commenting on what a poor performance he had tonight.

45 saves on 50 shots and he had a bad game?

The draper goal bounced off of his ass and into the net. Not really his fault since Ozzy made the initial save. He made saves on many shots most goalies around the league would have let in.
What bad goals were you thinking of?

45 saves on 50 shots and he had a bad game?

The draper goal bounced off of his ass and into the net. Not really his fault since Ozzy made the initial save. He made saves on many shots most goalies around the league would have let in.
What bad goals were you thinking of?

Which bad goals was I thinking of?

Hmm, how about Datsyuk's unscreened wrister that just went through him?

How about Osgood getting caught out of the net (never should have left the net on that play anyway) so that Yzerman gets an open net to shoot at?

How about the Draper goal? Maltby takes a low unscreened shot that Osgood shoots a rebound off of Draper. That's all about rebound control right there and Osgood showed none.

How about Devereaux's wraparound where Osgood didn't get his skate against the post?

The Hull goal I'm on the fence about, but even the biggest shots should generally be saved when you can see them coming from the point in my book (and Osgood could see it; Holmstrom didn't have a screen in front of his face like he normally would).

Those goals were all ugly and most, if not all, were bad goals.

It's vintage Grant Fuhr with the Blues tactics; confuse fans with big saves so that they hopefully don't notice the weak goals that do go in.

Well...there is always Cujo.

The Deveraux goal was bad but ozgood made some really good saves. My main complaint abput this game is that we abandoned our system and we were lucky to win this game. We will not beat these guys in many games played this wide open?

Bright Spot the PK was awesome.

Not just this game c-carp; the Blues have been very loose defensively the past two games. Johnson made quite a few great saves against Nashville himself. If that doesn't tighten up fairly soon, it's going to get ugly for both goaltenders in net.

Think it's just a coincidence that the defense worsened as soon as Khavanov began playing again? Yeah, it probably is just a coincidence.

Not just this game c-carp; the Blues have been very loose defensively the past two games. Johnson made quite a few great saves against Nashville himself. If that doesn't tighten up fairly soon, it's going to get ugly for both goaltenders in net.

Think it's just a coincidence that the defense worsened as soon as Khavanov began playing again? Yeah, it probably is just a coincidence.Good points. Nashville had 3 or 4 two on ones last night, lets hope they tighten that up.

Khavanov is a good defensman with the puck. Average at worst without it.

I think the main problem is that we are missing too many veterans right now. These kids provide alot of energy and heart, but the guys who have been playing the system at the nhl level are a little thin right now.

We have won three games in a row now, and 4 out of the last five. I refuse to be pessimistic right now. As long as we are finding a way to win. With our IR list we are lucky to have finley right now, let alone khavanov. We are winning and have managed to get to the top of the western conf.

My point is with our injuries -luck is better than talent everyday. Who knows what we couldve done with our full roster.

Come on guys. We just beat the wings, Enjoy it while it lasts.

of Grant Fuhr. Big saves followed by horrible goals. For all the grief Johnson gets, he hasn't had a meltdown that ugly in quite awhile. I'm kind of curious why Q left Osgood in there to be honest. Johnson would have gotten the gate after the 1st bad one, let alone four (I'm leaning towards all five being bad as Osgood also saw Hull's shot and didn't get it either). Not going for a lynch Osgood motif here; so, anybody that's going to babble on about that stuff can go away before saying it. Just commenting on what a poor performance he had tonight.

Up here in Toronto we call that "Jack Morris syndrome"; he may not have always pitched well, but he always pitched well enough.
Besides, Hasek looked waaaaaaay worse.

1. Th Galie is a winner as long as his team wins. Osgood made just enough to win. This time...

2. One thing I start to like in sgood's play (correct me if I'm mistaken) is that he shakes off bad goals and plays solid in cruciual moment of the game. Just look: against Flames he's let a softy but then could manage to have a great 3rd period to protect our lead; against Rew Wings he's made 24 saves on 25 shots in the 3rd. Hope he continiou to play well.

1. Th Galie is a winner as long as his team wins. Osgood made just enough to win. This time...

2. One thing I start to like in sgood's play (correct me if I'm mistaken) is that he shakes off bad goals and plays solid in cruciual moment of the game. Just look: against Flames he's let a softy but then could manage to have a great 3rd period to protect our lead; against Rew Wings he's made 24 saves on 25 shots in the 3rd. Hope he continiou to play well.
Agrees Osgood seems to be very strong mentaly. Just look at his Detroit Cup run, sure hr let in some bad goals, at least 2 center ice jobs for example, but who was moving on when the Handshakes occured in those series.

I have heard Grant Fuhr say that the timing of the saves is one of the most important things.

I dont think Osgood is nessisarily an elite goalie, but he is a very solid one. How many truly elite goalies are there.

Hasek
Brodeur
Belfour

Possibly some youngsters like Turco, Guigere, Luongo but they still have to mature.

Agrees Osgood seems to be very strong mentaly. Just look at his Detroit Cup run, sure hr let in some bad goals, at least 2 center ice jobs for example, but who was moving on when the Handshakes occured in those series.

I have heard Grant Fuhr say that the timing of the saves is one of the most important things.

I dont think Osgood is nessisarily an elite goalie, but he is a very solid one. How many truly elite goalies are there.

Hasek
Brodeur
Belfour

Possibly some youngsters like Turco, Guigere, Luongo but they still have to mature.

Completely agree.
The timing of saves is actually the most important thing.
I remember Roy making childish mistakes but played up to expectations in crucual moments.

The reason why Osgood was not pulled is very simple... because it would have discouraged the team. It would have been telling the team they are playing badly when they were winning.. not to mention that the team doesn't usually play well in front of BJ.

Osgood made just enough to win. This time...

But where do you draw the line? He made many great saves which kept the Blues in the game. But, he also gave a bunch of bad goals that kept the Wings in the game as well. Basically, Osgood kept both teams in the game with his play. Generally when a goalie stands on his head, you can't point out 4 or 5 bad goals against, which is why I made a point of mentioning this game.

I refuse to be pessimistic right now.

Come on guys. We just beat the wings, Enjoy it while it lasts.

Who's being pessimistic? I'm thrilled the Blues beat the Wings at the Joe on the 2nd game of a back-to-back. Even better that they ran Hasek out of goal. But, getting a result doesn't mean that everybody played well. And Osgood deserves some criticism for last night's performance. Where's the thread bagging Brent Johnson for his game against the Oilers? I don't recall anyone having a problem with Johnson being criticized even though the Blues won that game too. I'm not one that enjoys seeing double standards in use. Nobody else was going to say anything about the bad goals Osgood gave up; so, here I am doing just that. As I said originally, I'm not looking to run Osgood out of town either. Just giving him some well-earned criticism.

The reason why Osgood was not pulled is very simple... because it would have discouraged the team. It would have been telling the team they are playing badly when they were winning.. not to mention that the team doesn't usually play well in front of BJ.

I don't agree. Pulling a goaltender either says the team is playing badly or that the goaltender is playing badly. It's not always one or the other. Last night, Osgood created as many problems as he solved IMO and he was playing poorly.

Your last sentence is what I tend to believe is the reason. Q and the skaters don't have much confidence in Johnson (Q has shown that for quite awhile now), but Osgood is more well-liked and so he stays in when he's not playing well. I don't like it, but there's nothing I can do about it except point it out when it happens.

I don't agree. Pulling a goaltender either says the team is playing badly or that the goaltender is playing badly. It's not always one or the other. Last night, Osgood created as many problems as he solved IMO and he was playing poorly.

Your last sentence is what I tend to believe is the reason. Q and the skaters don't have much confidence in Johnson (Q has shown that for quite awhile now), but Osgood is more well-liked and so he stays in when he's not playing well. I don't like it, but there's nothing I can do about it except point it out when it happens.Its not per say right, we just have to hope that Johnson plays well enough to earn back the respect of his teammates. He didnt lose it overnight and he will not regain it overnight. That happens in all sports, even though Kurt Warner played bad in the Rams 1st game, I think he was living on borrowed time per say because he had lost the confidence of his teammates.

It is always good to watch a Blues game (sorry but being in Ohio, you just don't get many).

My take on Osgoods play was he seemed to have brain farts and didn't seem to communicate well w/ the D. There were a number of times, not just when he left the net and detroit scored, that he and the D were not on the same page. He played the puck a couple of time and almost got run into by his own guys. I don't think the communication was there.

He was very slow going across the net on the wrap around and really gave up a softy to Datsuyk (sp), though Pronger gave Datsuyk way too much room and should have closed on him. The bounce of Draper I cant fault anyone. Osgood kicked the puck out, was a good idea, but it just happened to catch Draper on the rear as he crashed the net.

It would be like blaiming Legacy for Sejna's 2nd goal...

He made key saves when he needed to and there was way to much room in the neutral zone, between the D and forwards, that allowed BOTH teams to get speed and carry the puck into the Offensive zone.

D on both teams looked poor and really gave up the blue line too easily.

But atleast the team won (KEY) on the 2nd game of a back to back (good for morale). I am glad to see Sejna rewarded for all of his hard work. Hope the goals start to come. (Anyone else think he is finally starting to shoot the puck more?).

The bounce of Draper I cant fault anyone. Osgood kicked the puck out, was a good idea, but it just happened to catch Draper on the rear as he crashed the net.

It would be like blaiming Legacy for Sejna's 2nd goal...

It would be more like blaming Hasek for Weight's goal really (and I don't blame Hasek for that one; that was just bad luck). The Legace/Sejna goal happened because the shot hit Lidstrom and fell in no man's land; that's not the same kind of play.

Kicking the puck out high into his blindspot isn't a good idea and that's why I criticized him. Why not deaden the shot and have it drop in front of Osgood for an easy cover? Maltby's shot was low and controllable if Osgood had any rebound control. The fact that he kicked that shot out high and blind is why I blame him. Also, for the sake of accuracy, Draper was standing next to Osgood already and wasn't in the process of crashing the net. He was already there, waiting for the puck.