Who's going to win the World Cup?

Well, vote away!

I'm going for Sweden

Germany

they have a great draw

I voted for England. For as much criticism as they get on this site, and others, I think that they have a fantastic squad. Lots of question marks, but from all accounts, Rooney will be back for when it matters. Guys like Gerrard, Terry and Lampard are extremely stoic too. I question the Walcott selection, because I would have prefered Defoe in the squad, but I think this team if healthy will do better than most people think.

It would be too easy to say Brazil. I say they'll get knocked out in the second round, by the Czechs or Italians. A lot of their players have had off years, and in a World Cup, anything is truly possible.

england - pleeeze

Brazil

Darkhorse: Germany.

Brazil

My pick is Brazil:

Dark horse: Czechs

Guys like Baros, Koeller, Rosicky, Nedved, Cech make the Czechs one of the most balanced teams in the tournament.

Holland

Dark horse: Czechs

Guys like Baros, Koeller, Rosicky, Nedved, Cech make the Czechs one of the most balanced teams in the tournament.
The Czechs aren't as good this time around as in Euro 2004 I think. Baros has been non existent this year, Koller is hurt, Nedved continually gets hurt and his form hasn't been the best this year and he's getting up there in age. Poborsky played in Division 2 this year, etc... I just don't have a good feeling about the Czechs this time around, especially in their group.

The United States of America!!!!

Wait, that's who I want to win the World Cup. Who's actually going to do it?

Brazil.

Assuming they don't fall asleep in an important game and blow it.

The Czechs aren't as good this time around as in Euro 2004 I think. Baros has been non existent this year, Koller is hurt, Nedved continually gets hurt and his form hasn't been the best this year and he's getting up there in age. Poborsky played in Division 2 this year, etc... I just don't have a good feeling about the Czechs this time around, especially in their group.But most often, I find Czech players play 10 times better with the national team than they do with their respective clubs, Baros being a prime example. Nedved, Poborsky and Galasek are probably playing their last games together, so that might be the lift they need to have a good run.

But most often, I find Czech players play 10 times better with the national team than they do with their respective clubs, Baros being a prime example. Nedved, Poborsky and Galasek are probably playing their last games together, so that might be the lift they need to have a good run.
I think Baros's performance at Euro2004 was overrated, and almost completely fueled by Nedved. I think because Nedved has really slowed down since then, Baros won't be as effective, because he lacks creativity, and can't generate anything without a playmaker. I hope I'm wrong of course, because I would love to see Nedved get some glory for once (CL 2003 and Euro 04 were difficult moments for the guy), but I remain doubtful.

I think Brazils superiority is over-stated. I think the Argies are hungrier and almost as talented, so I voted for them.

My pick is Serbia

Darkhorse: Serbia

Vucinic is going to have a breakout performance. Vidic will show why he plays for one of the top teams in Europe.

Holland

Can't believe I forgot them on the list.

I think Brazils superiority is over-stated.Agreed. I don't see one team as vastly superior, but rather a group of teams that could take it home with the right circumstances. I'd say that group is made of:

Brazil
Argentina
England
Holland
Italy
France
Germany
Spain
Portugal
Czech Republic
Sweden
Spain

Darkhorses: Switzerland and Ivory Coast

I think Argentina would have had chances as good as Brazil if only their coach selected the right team. So i would have picked them.
Now, with the likes of Zanetti, Samuel, Demichelis and Veron at home plus the doubts surrounding Messi's conditions..i just don't know.

I went for a little bit of surprise... Portugal.
Some random reasons: They were very near a major trophy two years ago, their younger players have greater experience now. The core of the team has been together for a while. Pauleta has been on fire all season. Scollari knows how to win the world cup and he will know how to play Brazil.

Brazil

Darkhorse: Germany.
With guys like Mike Hanke ? :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

I am going for the Czech Rep. Mostly because I think Nedved is unreal and plus nobody ever cheers for them.

How about the big Mexico vs Iran match on I think Day 3.... That would be good.

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I am going for the Czech Rep. Mostly because I think Nedved is unreal and plus nobody ever cheers for them.

How about the big Mexico vs Iran match on I think Day 3.... That would be good.There are some much bigger matches in the first round, such as England vs. Sweden, Germany vs. Poland, Argentina vs. Holland, Italy vs. Czech Republic and France vs. Switzerland (given the games they played against each other in the qualifiers). Still, all the games are going to be interesting.

Not England

I went for a little bit of surprise... Portugal.
Some random reasons: They were very near a major trophy two years ago, their younger players have greater experience now. The core of the team has been together for a while. Pauleta has been on fire all season. Scollari knows how to win the world cup and he will know how to play Brazil.All good reasons sir. I have a very good feeling about Ronaldo going into this. He did great in the Euro, and I just have a feeling that he'll be one of the better players this year.

Ivory Coast

Hmm, an African team. Im not too thrilled with the African squads this year........no Senegal, Cameroon or Nigeria what the hell.

I think Argentina would have had chances as good as Brazil if only their coach selected the right team. So i would have picked them.
Now, with the likes of Zanetti, Samuel, Demichelis and Veron at home plus the doubts surrounding Messi's conditions..i just don't know.


Totally forgot about that. How the hell does the coach not pick one of the top 5 fullbacks in the world? What an idiot.

Hmm, an African team. Im not too thrilled with the African squads this year........no Senegal, Cameroon or Nigeria what the hell.


For me, on paper and in real life, Cote D'Ivoire is clearly the best African footballing nation.

:) Ukraine will win

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Tunisia. They won't win it, but they'll do better than Cote D'Ivoire. They also have a good chance to move from their group, considering Spain will underachieve again.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Tunisia. They won't win it, but they'll do better than Cote D'Ivoire. They also have a good chance to move from their group, considering Spain will underachieve again.



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I think this WC is a little like the Champions League. There are so many teams with lots of talent that the team that wins will probably have a bit of luck go with them as well. That being said, I choose Brazil just because I do view them as just having more talent than the other sides in the tournament.

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LOL. Don't blame me man...you know they will underachieve at some point. They're always among the most talented squads yet have done nothing at the international level (aside from their '64 Euros)

While I figure Brazil will win it, I'd love to see the Ukraine winning it all.

My brain says Brazil, my heart says Germany.

Brazil is IMO the clear cut favourite.
After that, there's a group of teams with potential and with some all world players capable of making the difference at any moment (in no order) :
Argentina
Holland
France
England
Italy

And then a group of teams that if they play well together can beat anyone :
Portugal
Czech Republic
Côte D'Ivoire
Germany
Spain

I will pick France.

Brazil wins it, I hope that Sweden doesn't need to face em :D

Brain - Brazil
heart - Italy or England
darkhorse - Ivory Coast

I think its fairly obviously who wins this :D ... Freakin Brazil.

We have an awesome squad, but we'll cruise to the quarter finals, and lose because of a bad player error or mistake by the ref.

Germany have no chance

Obviously Oranje isn't a top 15 candidate and have to been seen as inferiors to powerhouses such as Korea, US and Mexico.

Here are my odds:

01) Brazil
--
02) Italy
03) France
04) Argentina
05) Netherlands
06) England
--
07) Czech Republic
08) Spain
09) Germany
10) Portugal

Obviously Oranje isn't a top 15 candidate and have to been seen as inferiors to powerhouses such as Korea, US and Mexico.

Here are my odds:

01) Brazil
--
02) Italy
03) France
04) Argentina
05) Netherlands
06) England
--
07) Czech Republic
08) Spain
09) Germany
10) Portugal

England has a better team on paper than the Dutch, but they won't win because Eriksson won't take Spice Boy off the pitch. The solution is simple too: Gerrard on the wing, Carrick as holding midfielder, frees up Lampard to do his thing: off the ball play.

The Dutch D is porous though. I like Kromkamp, I like Von Bronkhorst, but if the Messi/Ronaldinho types can get through the Van Bommel/Cocu midfield, the're gonna get taken apart.

I seriously still have no idea what Ryan Babel is doing on the team over Davids or Huntelaar. Why would you take a guy who's been injured over some phenom who's scored like 900 goals this year?

England has a better team on paper than the Dutch, but they won't win because Eriksson won't take Spice Boy off the pitch. The solution is simple too: Gerrard on the wing, Carrick as holding midfielder, frees up Lampard to do his thing: off the ball play.

The Dutch D is porous though. I like Kromkamp, I like Von Bronkhorst, but if the Messi/Ronaldinho types can get through the Van Bommel/Cocu midfield, the're gonna get taken apart.

I seriously still have no idea what Ryan Babel is doing on the team over Davids or Huntelaar. Why would you take a guy who's been injured over some phenom who's scored like 900 goals this year?

Davids has been awful this year though. He might be struggling with his age now, i mean he really sucked.

Davids has been awful this year though. He might be struggling with his age now, i mean he really sucked.

Well take Huntelaar.

England has a better team on paper than the Dutch, but they won't win because Eriksson won't take Spice Boy off the pitch. The solution is simple too: Gerrard on the wing, Carrick as holding midfielder, frees up Lampard to do his thing: off the ball play.

The Dutch D is porous though. I like Kromkamp, I like Von Bronkhorst, but if the Messi/Ronaldinho types can get through the Van Bommel/Cocu midfield, the're gonna get taken apart.

I seriously still have no idea what Ryan Babel is doing on the team over Davids or Huntelaar. Why would you take a guy who's been injured over some phenom who's scored like 900 goals this year?

1) I don't think England has a better team on paper.

2) What happened to "I don't know the D well enough so I won't talk about them" as you so often admitted in the past? With Boulahrouz, Ooier, Mathijsen, Heitinga, Gio and de Cler, we'll be just fine.

3) Babel is on the team since he can play both striker as well as winger. Huntelaar can not play two positions and Davids has Maduro in front of him.

Davids has been awful this year though. He might be struggling with his age now, i mean he really sucked.

He was phenomenal during the first few months I thought. Jol even mentioned him as their most important player on some occasions. Things quickly changed when he received red after red. He never found a rythem since.

2) What happened to "I don't know the D well enough so I won't talk about them" as you so often admitted in the past? With Boulahrouz, Ooier, Mathijsen, Heitinga, Gio and de Cler, we'll be just fine.


I think Boulahrouz at CD is fine.

The guys I see most are Kromkamp and Gio... but you seriously don't think Ronaldinho won't take them apart like broken Legos? Please

He was phenomenal during the first few months I thought. Jol even mentioned him as their most important player on some occasions. Things quickly changed when he received red after red. He never found a rythem since.

Well, every time i watched Spurs Davids was always on of their worst players. Guys like Carrick, Lennon completely outplayed him. Lol i can't remember the start of the season ... August was a long time ago. Davids probably was important to spurs in bringing the young guys along more than anything. Wise choice by Holland not taking him.

I think Boulahrouz at CD is fine.

The guys I see most are Kromkamp and Gio... but you seriously don't think Ronaldinho won't take them apart like broken Legos? Please

Considering Kromkamp won't start, no. Gio knows Ronaldhino more than any other defender, I think he has a huge advantage being teammates and all.

Gio isn't a liability. He's actually a very solid two-way back, it's just that he never takes any risks, and when he does, it usually ends up bad. He has an outstanding long pass as well.

He was phenomenal during the first few months I thought. Jol even mentioned him as their most important player on some occasions. Things quickly changed when he received red after red. He never found a rythem since.

Davids didn't receive a red card for the entire year if I'm not mistaken, he just got a lot of yellows and I think he might have been suspended a couple times. I'm not sure if Davids has the stamina to get through a full EPL season. By the end of the year, they were playing him on the wing so that they could play Jenas in the center of midfield.

I think the Dutch and the English are about even on paper. I know you like the Dutch D Ott, but I'd take England's every time when they are healthy. However, the Dutch are superior at striker and winger.

I think playing Gerrard on the wing is stupid, he needs to be up front and in the middle because that's where he is most effective as we saw in the FA Cup final. I'd play Gerrard as the CAM and Carrick as the DM. If England are down, they could use Lampard as a supersub. I know Beckham gets a bad rap, but realistically, he's had a really excellent year and fully deserves to be on this squad even though he shouldn't be captain.

Considering Kromkamp won't start, no. Gio knows Ronaldhino more than any other defender, I think he has a huge advantage being teammates and all.

The same thing goes BOTH ways.

Gio isn't a liability. He's actually a very solid two-way back, it's just that he never takes any risks, and when he does, it usually ends up bad. He has an outstanding long pass as well.

Van Bronkhorst is a good LB. Heitinga is a good defender. They should hold up against "regular" players. Just think that Messi and Riquelme might take that D apart in the group stages.

Should Holland make it out of the group stage... they'll probably get Mexico or Portugal. they should beat Mexico, but Deco and Pauletta could do some bad things to the Holland backline, and Cristiano might do something should he decide to occasionally pass once in a while.

Davids didn't receive a red card for the entire year if I'm not mistaken, he just got a lot of yellows and I think he might have been suspended a couple times.
1 red, 11 yellows.
No need to thank me, I live to give.

1 red, 11 yellows.
No need to thank me, I live to give.

I stand corrected. ;)

I think playing Gerrard on the wing is stupid, he needs to be up front and in the middle because that's where he is most effective as we saw in the FA Cup final. I'd play Gerrard as the CAM and Carrick as the DM. If England are down, they could use Lampard as a supersub. I know Beckham gets a bad rap, but realistically, he's had a really excellent year and fully deserves to be on this squad even though he shouldn't be captain.

What does David Beckham do? He crosses and takes set pieces. Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are just as good at set pieces, and Steven Gerrard can cross just fine. David Beckham does have a high work rate, but nobody runs more than Lampard and Gerrard.

Steven Gerrard does ALL of these things. WELL. PLUS he can actually dribble, occasionally win a ball, use his other foot, and head the ball. Putting him there would lock down the black whole that is the right side of the pitch for England.

I like Downing. Being their only "natural" left side player, I think he could do something. IF Rooney isn't ready, I'd have Owen as the lone striker, Downing as the LM, Joe Cole RM, Carrick holding, and just set Lampard and Gerrard loose in the middle.

Davids didn't receive a red card for the entire year if I'm not mistaken, he just got a lot of yellows and I think he might have been suspended a couple times. I'm not sure if Davids has the stamina to get through a full EPL season. By the end of the year, they were playing him on the wing so that they could play Jenas in the center of midfield.

I think the Dutch and the English are about even on paper. I know you like the Dutch D Ott, but I'd take England's every time when they are healthy. However, the Dutch are superior at striker and winger.

I think playing Gerrard on the wing is stupid, he needs to be up front and in the middle because that's where he is most effective as we saw in the FA Cup final. I'd play Gerrard as the CAM and Carrick as the DM. If England are down, they could use Lampard as a supersub. I know Beckham gets a bad rap, but realistically, he's had a really excellent year and fully deserves to be on this squad even though he shouldn't be captain.

1) Suspensions, red, same thing.. ;)

2) I don't like our D, actually. But it remains quite solid. It's just that people are quick to judge when they haven't seen most defenders play. I too, would pick England's Defense this year. Without hesitation I must add. Holland's defense has just suffered the most from our rebuilding fase. You don't replace Jaap Stam and Frank de Boer as easily. Our next generation will be a force again. With Heitinga, Luirink, Vlaar, Emanuelson, Drenthe, de Jong, Marcellis, it's one of the best groups we might ever had on the backline. Currently Boulahrouz is the only real 'star' defender we have.

3) Yes, I like our strikers (aside from Vennegoor). But it's our midfield (including wingers) which is our best quality. They will have to carry us.

What does David Beckham do? He crosses and takes set pieces. Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are just as good at set pieces, and Steven Gerrard can cross just fine. David Beckham does have a high work rate, but nobody runs more than Lampard and Gerrard.

Steven Gerrard does ALL of these things. WELL. PLUS he can actually dribble, occasionally win a ball, use his other foot, and head the ball. Putting him there would lock down the black whole that is the right side of the pitch for England.

I like Downing. Being their only "natural" left side player, I think he could do something. IF Rooney isn't ready, I'd have Owen as the lone striker, Downing as the LM, Joe Cole RM, Carrick holding, and just set Lampard and Gerrard loose in the middle.

When Lampard and Gerrard have been "set loose", England have been blown out by Denmark and beaten by Northern Ireland.

Gerrard can cross decently, but Beckham is much better. I still put Beckham in the top 3 in the world at delivering a ball, whether it be from a set ball or an open play cross. Beckham crosses much better than Gerrard does. That's not a knock on Gerrard, it's just the truth. And as Evilo has said, 1/3 of all goals in football come from set plays. When it comes down to a set play, I like Lamps, but I'd rather have Beckham delivering the ball. Beckham is just a more natural winger. He gives England more width, whenever Gerrard gets the ball, you know that he'll probably look to move to the middle, but Beckham is different.

And I really like the idea of Lampard as a supersub. Imagine tired defenses trying to protect a lead when Lampard and Walcott come on the 75th minute, it could prove to be a very hard test.

Just for the record, Walcott and Henry both do the same style of sprints, 6 100 m sprints in rapid succession and Walcott's 6th sprint was faster than Henry's first.

1) Suspensions, red, same thing.. ;)

2) I don't like our D, actually. But it remains quite solid. It's just that people are quick to judge when they haven't seen most defenders play. I too, would pick England's Defense this year. Without hesitation I must add. Holland's defense has just suffered the most from our rebuilding fase. You don't replace Jaap Stam and Frank de Boer as easily. Our next generation will be a force again. With Heitinga, Luirink, Vlaar, Emanuelson, Drenthe, de Jong, Marcellis, it's one of the best groups we might ever had on the backline. Currently Boulahrouz is the only real 'star' defender we have.

3) Yes, I like our strikers (aside from Vennegoor). But it's our midfield (including wingers) which is our best quality. They will have to carry us.

But in the midfield, England have Gerrard and Lampard who are arguably the two best midfielders in football today (I'm not counting Ronaldinho as a midfielder).

3) Yes, I like our strikers (aside from Vennegoor). But it's our midfield (including wingers) which is our best quality. They will have to carry us.

Yup. Robben needs to run with the ball and do crazy things, and he needs to find Van der Vaart, because you know there will about 900 people grabbing Ruud's shirt. And he'll oblige them by falling every five steps ;)

But in the midfield, England have Gerrard and Lampard who are arguably the two best midfielders in football today (I'm not counting Ronaldinho as a midfielder).

Agreed. But you can't deny the lack of quality after those. The Dutch have Van der Vaart, who really isn't a whole lot removed from Gerrard and Lampard to go with Cocu, van Bommel, Sneijder, Maduro, Landzaat, Seedorf, Davids and a nice group of youngsters breaking through.

When Lampard and Gerrard have been "set loose", England have been blown out by Denmark and beaten by Northern Ireland.

The best way I described this is is that they're both "yang" and that just doens't work. You need "Ying" and "yang". Carrick and Lampard sound like a good combo

OT: Best midfield mugging combination: Makalele and Vieira. I would not want to have the ball against those 2. I wouldn't want to bump into those two guys on the street.


Beckham is just a more natural winger. He gives England more width, whenever Gerrard gets the ball, you know that he'll probably look to move to the middle, but Beckham is different.

Yeah, they all know David Beckham CAN'T cut into the middle, they all know David Beckham WON'T put the ball his left foot. David Beckham is like Marge's cooking: two moves - shake and bake.


And I really like the idea of Lampard as a supersub. Imagine tired defenses trying to protect a lead when Lampard and Walcott come on the 75th minute, it could prove to be a very hard test.

Just for the record, Walcott and Henry both do the same style of sprints, 6 100 m sprints in rapid succession and Walcott's 6th sprint was faster than Henry's first.

Forgive for not jumping on the Walcott bandwagon just yet.

Agreed. But you can't deny the lack of quality after those. The Dutch have Van der Vaart, who really isn't a whole lot removed from Gerrard and Lampard to go with Cocu, van Bommel, Sneijder, Maduro, Landzaat, Seedorf, Davids and a nice group of youngsters breaking through.

Hmm, I disagree a bit with you here. While the Dutch have the better supporting cast after VdV, it's not like England are talentless. Cole has been brilliant for the last 18 months and is probably England's best dribbler after Rooney. I also rate Carrick pretty highly though I don't like him personally and Beckham really isn't too bad. Overall, I think the two midfields are about even. So overall

England D >> Dutch D
England mid = Dutch mid
England strikers << Dutch strikers

I'll count Robben and RvP as strikers here.

So the talent level is about even.

Brazil winning would be to obvious so it won't happen and no one can really think Germany can win with that poor defense unless the fix is in. Of course I will be going for Portugal but Argentina is strong, I don't fear the dutch though. England if they get owen and Rooney at 100 percent will have a top 5 squad. I also like Italy and Serbia is my darkhorse, one goal allowed in qualifying *cough* reminds me of Greece.

The best way I described this is is that they're both "yang" and that just doens't work. You need "Ying" and "yang". Carrick and Lampard sound like a good combo


I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I take Gerrard over Lampard. Lampard is excellent, but when Gerrard is on form, he is a driving force that can singlehandedly carry a team to victory (2005 CL final, 2006 FA Cup final) and he always saves his best for the biggest games.


OT: Best midfield mugging combination: Makalele and Vieira. I would not want to have the ball against those 2. I wouldn't want to bump into those two guys on the street.


I didn't think that Makakele was playing for France. I don't think he's starting at least.



Yeah, they all know David Beckham CAN'T cut into the middle, they all know David Beckham WON'T put the ball his left foot. David Beckham is like Marge's cooking: two moves - shake and bake.


Beckham can't dribble like Gerrard, but he's a better passer than Stevie, so he can pass his out of trouble.



Forgive for not jumping on the Walcott bandwagon just yet.

I'm allowed to fantasize aren't I? :D

Hmm, I disagree a bit with you here. While the Dutch have the better supporting cast after VdV, it's not like England are talentless. Cole has been brilliant for the last 18 months and is probably England's best dribbler after Rooney. I also rate Carrick pretty highly though I don't like him personally and Beckham really isn't too bad. Overall, I think the two midfields are about even. So overall

England D >> Dutch D
England mid = Dutch mid
England strikers << Dutch strikers

I'll count Robben and RvP as strikers here.

So the talent level is about even.

Tiebreaker:

Goalkeeper/coach: Holland..

;)

Seriously, comparisons are fun but really mean squat.

I actually have low expectations due to being in the mids of a rebulding process. Van Basten was even allowed to miss this WC and aim at the EC 2008. I think we could be a force then like we were during 1998/2002.

I didn't think that Makakele was playing for France. I don't think he's starting at least.

He probably will.
France will most likely (not that I agree) play a 4-5-1 with Makelele-Vieira behind Wiltord-Zidane-Malouda.
Henry will play alone up front.

Frak I had my post eaten.

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I take Gerrard over Lampard. Lampard is excellent, but when Gerrard is on form, he is a driving force that can singlehandedly carry a team to victory (2005 CL final, 2006 FA Cup final) and he always saves his best for the biggest games.

Gerrard does somethings better. Gerrard is a better dribbler. Gerrard I think is physically stronger and faster. Lampard is better off the ball. There isn't anybody BETTER than Lampard off the ball


I didn't think that Makakele was playing for France. I don't think he's starting at least.

NOt sure if he'll be starting, but he'll be there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/france/4769857.stm


Beckham can't dribble like Gerrard, but he's a better passer than Stevie, so he can pass his out of trouble.

I'll take your word for it.

I'm not sayign boot David Beckham off the team, but he's a specialist, and specialists should be judged as such.

France will most likely (not that I agree) play a 4-5-1 with Makelele-Vieira behind Wiltord-Zidane-Malouda.


You want to start a pool regarding the number of injuries they'll cause and the number of cards they'll take? :biglaugh:

I hate Patty Vieira, but that is a scary scary man. I'm just glad Makalele plays for MY team.

Unfortunately, I don't think Vieira is half the player he used to be.
We have better DMs right now in France (Toulalan, Bodmer, etc...).
As for Makelele, people on this board know how I feel about the person, the player and what he brings to the team.

Tiebreaker:

Goalkeeper/coach: Holland..

;)

Seriously, comparisons are fun but really mean squat.

I actually have low expectations due to being in the mids of a rebulding process. Van Basten was even allowed to miss this WC and aim at the EC 2008. I think we could be a force then like we were during 1998/2002.

Neither coach really impresses me to be honest, I do like Holland's team a little better than England's to be honest.





Gerrard does somethings better. Gerrard is a better dribbler. Gerrard I think is physically stronger and faster. Lampard is better off the ball. There isn't anybody BETTER than Lampard off the ball


I don't really agree with you about Lampard, he's decent off the ball, but Gerrard moves around well and is the better defender.


He probably will.
France will most likely (not that I agree) play a 4-5-1 with Makelele-Vieira behind Wiltord-Zidane-Malouda.
Henry will play alone up front.


I can't believe that Trezeguet isn't starting, that's just asking for trouble and I've always found Henry to be more effective when he has someone up there with him.

That's exactly the opposite of Domenech's thinking : he thinks Henry is more effective alone.

That's exactly the opposite of Domenech's thinking : he thinks Henry is more effective alone.

Just look at Henry's goal-rate at Arsenal when he played by himself. I'm not knocking him on the European run, but I think he scored twice in the 7 knockout games when Arsenal played the 4-5-1.

Oh I perfectly agree.
Henry and Trezeguet have played together since they're 16 or so, and they're dynamite together (Anelka as well BTW).
If we could have a 4-4-2 with these two, with Ribery on one side and Zidane on the other, with a Toulalan-Bodmer midfield, I'd be perfectly happy.

If I were a betting man, I'd probably pick Holland.

Brazil seem a troubled team that could go out early much like France did in 02.

England.

I have $2000 on an England win. Decent odds too ..

Czech Republic. Nedved. :bow:

What does David Beckham do? He crosses and takes set pieces. Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are just as good at set pieces, and Steven Gerrard can cross just fine. David Beckham does have a high work rate, but nobody runs more than Lampard and Gerrard.

Steven Gerrard does ALL of these things. WELL. PLUS he can actually dribble, occasionally win a ball, use his other foot, and head the ball. Putting him there would lock down the black whole that is the right side of the pitch for England.

I like Downing. Being their only "natural" left side player, I think he could do something. IF Rooney isn't ready, I'd have Owen as the lone striker, Downing as the LM, Joe Cole RM, Carrick holding, and just set Lampard and Gerrard loose in the middle.


If you watched Carrick or Downing today against Belarus, you wouldnt have them near the team. They were awful. Carric especially, since every pass he made went to a Belarus player. Awful, If you seriously would sit Beckham or Lampard to have Carrick out there you have to be mad. To me, Lennon is the first midfielder I put out there as a sub.

England.

I have $2000 on an England win. Decent odds too ..


What odds did you pick up?

England.

I have $2000 on an England win. Decent odds too ..

Good bet :thumbu:

Sorry Oranjes, but I can`t see Holland come anywhere close to winning the World Cup this time around. With an average goalie, only decent defense, and your two key offensive contributers in Robben and Nistelrooy totally out of form it don`t look good for you guys. If you couldn`t win it in 74, 78, 90 or 98 you certainly wont in 2006.

I predict an early exit for Oranje, perhaps they wont even get past the group stages this time around.

Brasil

England!!

If you watched Carrick or Downing today against Belarus, you wouldnt have them near the team. They were awful. Carric especially, since every pass he made went to a Belarus player. Awful, If you seriously would sit Beckham or Lampard to have Carrick out there you have to be mad. To me, Lennon is the first midfielder I put out there as a sub.

Carrick was good with Tottenheim. Btw, I'd never sit Lampard for ANYBODY. Well, maybe Ronaldinho

Carrick was god with Tottenheim. Btw, I'd never sit Lampard for ANYBODY. Well, maybe Ronaldinho
Tottenham is a different team than England....I like him, but there is no chance at all he starts over the four rocks in the midfield. England's team will be this:

........Owen...........Crouch/Rooney........

J. Cole.....Gerrard.....Lampard.....Beckham

A. Cole......Rio.......Terry.....Neville

................Robinson..................

I think we have one of the top 5 teams in the tournament, and have a great chance at winning the World Cup.

I picked Brazil, and will be cheering for Italy.

Holland


ORANJE!!!!

The Dutch have Van der Vaart, who really isn't a whole lot removed from Gerrard and Lampard

You didn't think I'd let you get away with that now did you :sarcasm:

Sorry Oranjes, but I can`t see Holland come anywhere close to winning the World Cup this time around. With an average goalie...

But he's top 3 in the world




Anyway, kidding aside:
Brazil is probably the main favorite but I like how Argentina isn't mentioned as much as in the previous WC's, so I'll go with Argentina for my pick.

Brazil is probably the main favorite but I like how Argentina isn't mentioned as much as in the previous WC's, so I'll go with Argentina for my pick.


Have I ever told you what an intelligent guy you are? :D

Have I ever told you what an intelligent guy you are? :DYou both are :D

I'd really like to see Argentina win this, and I also think they should have a good shot.

I picked Germany. It's a bit of a stretch but they're in a great pool. Most likely Brazil or Argentina though.

8 out of 9 World Cups in Eurpe have been won by a European team.

I say the Czechs.

I went with Argentina, but I don't really know what I'm talking about.

8 out of 9 World Cups in Eurpe have been won by a European team.

I say the Czechs.


Did you play the Fifa World Cup game recently?? :P

Did you play the Fifa World Cup game recently?? :P

what?

The Toronto Maple Leafs. :handclap:

Or Brazil...

I'm rooting for Sweden all the way, I think they can pull it off.

I'm rooting for Sweden all the way, I think they can pull it off.

Not based on their performance (0-0 at home) against Finland two days ago. Neither team had their three or four most important players on the pitch, but Sweden is supposed to have more depth than Finland anyways. Didn't exactly look like that.

Sorry Oranjes, but I can`t see Holland come anywhere close to winning the World Cup this time around. With an average goalie, only decent defense, and your two key offensive contributers in Robben and Nistelrooy totally out of form it don`t look good for you guys. If you couldn`t win it in 74, 78, 90 or 98 you certainly wont in 2006.

I predict an early exit for Oranje, perhaps they wont even get past the group stages this time around.

1) That certain average goalie has bene our MVP during our last 2 tournaments, times we had even bigger stars on our teams. He was also the best goalkeeper during Portugal 2004. The underrating of van der Sar continues.

2) Decent defense, I'll give you that.

3) Ruud is more eager to do good than ever before. I think his conflict with Fergeson has motivated him a lot. Sure he didn't play much down the stretch but he still finished 2nd in the Premier league in goals.

4) Robben has had injury trouble's this year, but he's healthy and ready to go. He showed his potential most of the time he was healthy and had confidence. I don't think anyone is worried about Robben.

5) You seem to forget the outstanding seasons van der Vaart, Kuijt or even van Persie have had.

6) "If you couldn`t win it in 74, 78, 90 or 98 you certainly wont in 2006" - is the biggest nonsense I've ever read on these boards. And I've been around quite some time..

We are far from the favorite's, but we stand a decent chance.

portugal, czech both won't go far.

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WON'T ACTUALLY WIN

That was pretty sweet though.

WON'T ACTUALLY WIN
I dont get your bias against England. Whats that for?

And I would like to see some reasons we wont win. Actually, im not sure coming from you they are worth while reading, as you really dont know anything about soccer anyway....

Brazil is probably the main favorite but I like how Argentina isn't mentioned as much as in the previous WC's, so I'll go with Argentina for my pick.

That's the argument I'm using for Italy. Seriously, though, why isn't anybody talking about Italy? They've got *everything* now, and they're every bit as hungry as Argentina must be. And top it off, the WC is in Europe.

That's the argument I'm using for Italy. Seriously, though, why isn't anybody talking about Italy? They've got *everything* now, and they're every bit as hungry as Argentina must be. And top it off, the WC is in Europe.Except for a healthy Totti. Italy lives and dies with him. If he is able to come back and play at his highest level, than yes, they should be considered as strong contenders, but without him, I don't believe they can do much. They could have one hell of a lineup though:

------------ Toni ----- Gilardino ------------
------------------ Totti --------------------
----- Pirlo ---------------------- Camoranesi
----------------- Gattuso ------------------
Zambrotta ---------------------------- Oddo
------------ Cannavaro ---- Nesta -----------
------------------ Buffon -------------------

Sweden

I hear a lot of people talking about Italy and Argentina in fact.
Teams we never hear of : France, Spain, Germany, Portugal.
These 4 are seen as contenders, but nobody sees them as a top 3 contender. All have outstanding talent (well more or less) and can beat anyone.

I hear a lot of people talking about Italy and Argentina in fact.
Teams we never hear of : France, Spain, Germany, Portugal.
These 4 are seen as contenders, but nobody sees them as a top 3 contender. All have outstanding talent (well more or less) and can beat anyone.
I see France as a top 3 team.

But a lot of teams can win it. Most of the teams at the WC's are great.

Just look at this thread. I think one poster said France. None said Spain I think. Few said Germany or Portugal (besides homers).
I personally think Brazil will win it, but the amount of talent on the spanish and french team is just huge.

And nobody's talking about the unusual suspects, teams that have played well and that can be threats. All are long shots, but all can surprise. These teams are (among others) : Serbia, Ukraine, USA, Switzerland, etc...

To me its:

1)Brasil - England - Holland - Czech

2)Italy - Argentina - Portugal - France - Spain

3)Germany - Sweden - Mexico - USA

4)Paraguay - Ecuador - Australia - Korea - CIV - Ghana

5)The rest.

I hear a lot of people talking about Italy and Argentina in fact.
Teams we never hear of : France, Spain, Germany, Portugal.
These 4 are seen as contenders, but nobody sees them as a top 3 contender. All have outstanding talent (well more or less) and can beat anyone.

France: Perhaps those 5 ties in the qualification play a role for some.
Spain: 2nd only in their QG behind Serbia. Chocker image.
Germany: shaky defence.

Well, I've just voted Brazil, and it looks like I'm not mistaken.
England has more than three times more votes than France (and among France's three votes, one was made by a frenchman). The USA have more than twice their number of votes. Sweden has two more votes than France!
Spain has only one vote!

To me its:

1)Brasil - England - Holland - Czech

2)Italy - Argentina - Portugal - France - Spain

3)Germany - Sweden - Mexico - USA

4)Paraguay - Ecuador - Australia - Korea - CIV - Ghana

5)The rest.
How is England superior to France, Italy, Argentina, Spain, Portugal?

France: Perhaps those 5 ties in the qualification play a role for some.
Spain: 2nd only in their QG behind Serbia. Chocker image.
Germany: shaky defence.
We all know qualifyiers don't mean squat in the final tournament.

How is England superior to France, Italy, Argentina, Spain, Portugal?
To me England has more quality throughout the team than those teams. To be honest, I didnt make the list as who is better, its who has a better chance to win the WC. Throughout the years the "best" team has not always won the WC. I think France, Italy, Argentina, Spain and Portugal are all fine teams, and have a great chance, but I hold Brazil, England, Holland and Czech above them. Just my personal opinion.

So what argument do you use to back it up?

To me its:

1)Brasil - England - Holland - Czech

2)Italy - Argentina - Portugal - France - Spain

3)Germany - Sweden - Mexico - USA

4)Paraguay - Ecuador - Australia - Korea - CIV - Ghana

5)The rest.

Looks good but I'd switch the Czechs and Argentina.

If I was betting on who would win with the current odds I would pick the dutch.

I picked Mexico out of a blind stupor, I'd like to change that pick to Argentina.
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Spain probably doesn't get mentioned because they're known chokers. I will obviously support them again (as always - I like their style) and I will once again see them go out quickly.


As for England, I think too much depends on Rooney.

The goalie's decent but not near the top at a tournament like the World Cup.
The defense: I don't like Cole defensively, nor Neville nor Ferdinand. I think those three are not top quality at their respective positions, that's a major weak spot.
The midfield: brilliant on paper but I've yet to see it work consistently on the pitch. Besides I think Sven's not playing this team up to it's strenght.
The attack: Owen half injured, Crouch not a goalscorer, Rooney three quarters injured... not looking good.

I will also support England as always (even more then Spain) But I fear that once again this team does not have the defensive and tactical quality to hold themselve together against really good opponents who don't give Gerrard and Lamps any time/space.


For everyone's information: my allegiances / favoritism this WC:
1. Cote' D'Ivoire - they're practically FC Belgium
2. England - as always

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3. Spain
4. Argentina

(The rest - I like a bunch of teams from Sweden through Brasil and the Czech republic)

I dont get your bias against England. Whats that for?


It's not that I hate England. There are teams I despise a LOT more than England.

It's just that you guys won't win.

Something bad will happen. It always happens. YOu know how I know it'll happen? Because you guys think you'll win!

It won't necessarily be the team's FAULT, (it normally is though), but something bad will happen. ALWAYS.

It's jsut this time the bad stuff started happening BEFORE the tournament. Like how John Terry and Wayne Rooney managed to get injured in the same 3-0 game.

Italy too. Italy lately has often the victim of screwjobs, or missed penalties.

It's not that I hate England. There are teams I despise a LOT more than England.

It's just that you guys won't win.

Something bad will happen. It always happens. YOu know how I know it'll happen? Because you guys think you'll win!

It won't necessarily be the team's FAULT, (it normally is though), but something bad will happen. ALWAYS.

It's jsut this time the bad stuff started happening BEFORE the tournament. Like how John Terry and Wayne Rooney managed to get injured in the same 3-0 game.

Italy too. Italy lately has often the victim of screwjobs, or missed penalties.
And you are a Red Sox fan? :biglaugh:

Hoping for England but I can definitely see Spain doing some big damage.

And you are a Red Sox fan? :biglaugh:

You mean I'm an optimist at heart? :biglaugh:

Spain

Italy has the most complete squad of all the teams. They've always had that superb defense and goalkeeping, and now they have a coach who knows how to use that high octane offense that has been so poorly managed in recient years.

Argentina all the way! I am long time fan of Argentina and in Eurocup i root for Holland :)

Argentina all the way! I am long time fan of Argentina and in Eurocup i root for Holland :)

You must had a blast in 1978 and 1998.. ;)

In all honesty, you can't root for both teams equally. There's quite a rivalry between them.

Wait, 7 people have voted for the United States?

SEVEN?!?!?!?!? :biglaugh:

yes and 4 for France! :D

I must say seeing Brazil in front is obvious, but seeing England as second on votes here is quite entertaining. Nearly as much as USA's 7 votes.

Hmm, Germany is tied for second....I would take this poll with a grain of salt.

Actually Germany being ranked in the top 5 would be a bit understandable (as the host nation).

Argentina

Brazil will have one lazy game (atleast) and that´s enough for the ticket back to Rio.

Actually Germany being ranked in the top 5 would be a bit understandable (as the host nation).2nd though??? I don't see how you can complain about England being in second and understand that Germany is tied.

Pretty simple - England wants to win every time and everything, but haven´t managed to win anything for a long long time.
Other lucky bouncers, underachievers have won titles in the recent history or advanced to the finals - England did not.

..and there´s still the Swede :sarcasm:

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England are just losers, and if you forget about that controversial 66 final, they'd be classed as chokers, just like Spain.

Germany is always a threat in my book.
Who thought they would have made it to the final last time? I sure did not.
And now they're host, which means twice more dangerous than usual.

You can never count Germany out in the World Cup, simple as that. History has proven that countless times, and 2002 is not that long ago so we should all remember.

Funny thing is, we´re counting us out ourselves every time :biglaugh:

Funny thing is, we´re counting us out ourselves every time :biglaugh:

That's exactly it, the worse the preparation is, the more people like Beckenbauer and other former glories complain, the more negative the newspapers are, the more dangerous the Mannshaft becomes...

That's exactly it, the worse the preparation is, the more people like Beckenbauer and other former glories complain, the more negative the newspapers are, the more dangerous the Mannshaft becomes...

I don´t want to go on with that, but i don´t think the chances are high this time since i don´t trust the team selection - especially the young defense (or the older, but often injured players) combined with just the lack of quality strikers (they´re talented, but i doubt any of them could replace Klose if he would be out of shape or injured).

Uhm, not to spoil the "Germany see themself as the underdog" party, but Beckenbauer himself said the Germans are the favorite's to win it. Not to mention their 7-0 triumph on always difficult Luxemburg inspired some Germans to optimism.

Uhm, not to spoil the "Germany see themself as the underdog" party, but Beckenbauer himself said the Germans are the favorite's to win it. Not to mention their 7-0 triumph on always difficult Luxemburg inspired some Germans to optimism.

Hehe - who cares about Franz (aside from the dutch) ? ;)
3/4 of the german population thought that we could call us lucky if we´re the quarterfinal (back in February)....

Hehe, Beckanbauer said Germany was far from a favourite until they indeed exploded Luxemburg, which somehow made him change his mind. He said Germany are on Brazil's level (yes, I'm not kidding).

Some of these all time greats should keep their mouth shut (Maradona, Pele, Beckenbauer, etc...).

Hehe, Beckanbauer said Germany was far from a favourite until they indeed exploded Luxemburg, which somehow made him change his mind. He said Germany are on Brazil's level (yes, I'm not kidding).

Some of these all time greats should keep their mouth shut (Maradona, Pele, Beckenbauer, etc...).

No kidding..

Germany knew the population would be pessimistic about their chances, so they went out and planned the most easiest warm-up schedule before the World Cup gets under way, just to crick up the confidence in both players and people. I believe they have two more rather pathetic (no disrespect) opponents after Luxemburg.

I never knew the expectations of the population could change as fast.

No kidding..

Germany knew the population would be pessimistic about their chances, so they went out and planned the most easiest warm-up schedule before the World Cup gets under way, just to crick up the confidence in both players and people. I believe they have two more rather pathetic (no disrespect) opponents after Luxemburg.

I never knew the expectations of the population could change as fast.

Didn´t change at all - dunno where you´re getting this stuff from, but sounds like the typical dutch-german or german-dutch propaganda....

Next pathetic opponent is Japan in about an hour...

England are just losers, and if you forget about that controversial 66 final, they'd be classed as chokers, just like Spain.

Germany is always a threat in my book.
Who thought they would have made it to the final last time? I sure did not.
And now they're host, which means twice more dangerous than usual.

:biglaugh:Sad part is its kinda true. However, we do have some awesome excuses to be fair. Unlike Spain we always find something or someone to blame.
England vs Hungary tonight, should give us a pretty clear indication of how England will fair in the WC. If we lose tonight, then i wont be optimistic at all.
Germany don't scare me at all.

Didn´t change at all - dunno where you´re getting this stuff from, but sounds like the typical dutch-german or german-dutch propaganda....

Next pathetic opponent is Japan in about an hour...

Could be, though I'm buying it.. Japan isn't exactly a powerhouse, either.

Seen the German/Dutch commercials at MTV lately? Instead of making fun of eachother, they now have "Holland, respect your neighboors!" commercials.. Pretty stupid. "Voetbal is oorlog" (Football is war) did the General Rinus Michels used to say. Where did that feeling go?

Seen the German/Dutch commercials at MTV lately? Instead of making fun of eachother, they now have "Holland, respect your neighboors!" commercials.. Pretty stupid. "Voetbal is oorlog" (Football is war) did the General Rinus Michels used to say. Where did that feeling go?

I wanted one of those little gadget helmets - you know what I mean - (not in Oranje though obviously) but my dad (who's always working in Holland) said they weren't selling them anymore.

I saw some in the crowd during the NFL Europe World Bowl game last sunday though.

After Japan the Klinsmann troup will face Colombia....another pathetic sacrifice. ;)

Well, the time of war is over for me. I´m absolutely okay with the dutch and yeah, i´m rooting for them if they´re facing some other countries.
I don´t expect the same the other way, but as long as the fan groups are not using fists/sticks/stones etc they can tickle the other group :)

I wanted one of those little gadget helmets - you know what I mean - (not in Oranje though obviously) but my dad (who's always working in Holland) said they weren't selling them anymore.

I saw some in the crowd during the NFL Europe World Bowl game last sunday though.

Heh, yeah they had to take them off the market. They said it had rasistic intensions.

France beat Mexico in their first game and will now face Denmark.
Personally, I wish they had easier opponents.

Seen the German/Dutch commercials at MTV lately? Instead of making fun of eachother, they now have "Holland, respect your neighboors!" commercials.. Pretty stupid. "Voetbal is oorlog" (Football is war) did the General Rinus Michels used to say. Where did that feeling go?

While we´re at it...

there´s a WC online manager out there. The winner doesn´t get a prize, but the worst GM gets a Holland scarf :D

Well, the time of war is over for me.

Never!! :madfire:

Seriously, when it comes to football, I don't think there's a country which hates the rest of the world as much as Holland. We have reasons to hate all our opponents. I guess that's part of the reason we live and breed for the sport so much.

France beat Mexico in their first game and will now face Denmark.
Personally, I wish they had easier opponents.

At least both were smart choices. The Dutch had to face the most aggressive team in the world (Cameroon). They didn't dissapoint, either (7 yellow's, 1 red). Talk about risking Arjen Robben and the likes..

Well, the time of war is over for me. I´m absolutely okay with the dutch and yeah, i´m rooting for them if they´re facing some other countries.


I can honestly say I'm never rooting for the dutch in football! Not even when it's Holland - Germany (I remember being completely torn as an 8 year old in 1990).



It's different in cycling though, there's a few Dutch guys that I do like. But not in football, they're too arrogant when they win :p:
Also different in club football by the way, I often root for Ajax or PSV or Feyenoord. Especially PSV is OK to root for because of the strong belgian connection and the fact that most dutchies won't really brag about PSV because it usually isn't really their team, it's that silly team from the south.

(they don't care much about cycling so it's not as irritating because the regular dutchy won't brag about it then)

While we´re at it...

there´s a WC online manager out there. The winner doesn´t get a prize, but the worst GM gets a Holland scarf :D

That's nothing. I've seen games where you could win first prices such as shirts with the famous Rijkaard/Völler spitting incident or the Koeman whiping his behind with the German shirt. Second prices actually were entire cruises and holidays :biglaugh: ..

There are still some pretty cool stuff this year, but there's a sudden lovefest organised towards Germany.

Oh and just to be fair to all out neigbours, I have the same reservations about France, I prefer them not winning because of the fact that we'd have to hear about it it for another 2 years (last time was worse, from 1998-2002 that's four years!!) :shakehead


Isn't it lovely that we all get along right now :)

It will be even cosier when Steve L or another Englishman joins the thread :)

I can honestly say I'm never rooting for the dutch in football!

Now that's what rappers like to call a "player-hater"..

I can honestly say I'm never rooting for the dutch in football!


Hmm - maybe rooting as a word is too much but i admit their level of play and there are some soccer countries out there i dislike way more than i do the dutch :)

Have a little fun and check some out:

http://youtube.com/results?search=Holland+Germany&search_type=search_videos&search=Search

This by the way is what makes football such a great sport, when it's World Cup time or even European Championships time everyone is watching and cheering and doing silly and all that, all in our own way (ie the Dutch completely nuts wearing Oranje, the English going to the Pub, the Belgians being quiet at home and thinking we'll loose, ..., ...)

I always love how everyone comes asking me question about football when it's world cup time even people who don't care about it regularly, the entire world seems to be focused on that silly game. I really don't mind that there's a bunch of 'bandwagoners' (as hockey fans would call it) showing up when it's world cup time, it's all part of the deal.

Too bad we can't be there this time :'(

Hmm - maybe rooting as a word is too much but i admit their level of play and there are some soccer countries out there i dislike way more than i do the dutch :)

I admit that they usually play beautiful football, but that doesn't mean I want them to win, against anyone.

For Holland - Germany I usually watch hoping for silly mistakes and a ton of red cards :)


And now of course you'll have to play open card: which soccer countries do you dislike more the Holland?

(my guess would be England?)

That's nothing. I've seen games where you could win first prices such as shirts with the famous Rijkaard/Völler spitting incident or the Koeman whiping his behind with the German shirt. Second prices actually were entire cruises and holidays :biglaugh: ..


I have to admit, that this is not classy for me, since spitting (from whomever) is something i disrespect and even if Völler would have spitten a german eagle into the face of Van Basten or whomever - sorry, classless.
I know there are lots of germans who´re a fan of that humor too, but that´s not me.
Make fun of our bratwurst, the bavarian clothing or something else, like we´re doing with those travel trailers...(btw: How do you recognize a dutch airplane ? Just look out for the travel trailer :D )

...but spitting isn´t funny at all.

And now of course you'll have to play open card: which soccer countries do you dislike more the Holland?

(my guess would be England?)

Grrr :madfire: ;)

Portugal, Italy, Turkey....to a lesser extend Brazil and France (depends on the squad).

Grrr :madfire: ;)

Portugal, Italy, Turkey....to a lesser extend Brazil and France (depends on the squad).

So going by those first three you don't like diving then I guess?


I'll admit it, no fan of Portugal either, ever since that scandalous display of FC Porto (under Jose Mourinho, that's right) in the UEFA Cup final against Celtic in 2003. Since then I want Portugal to crash and burn every time. Scandalous how a nation with so much obvious footballing talent could fall so low :shakehead
They're also a bunch of whiners by the way, guys like Figo or Sergio Conceicao (who's now playing in Belgium) always have to go to the ref and all... don't like that attitude.

I don't dislike any team really.
But I do often root against Italy, Portugal, and lately, probably due to our dutch posters, against Holland :D

I used to root against Germany, mainly because of the 82 Schumacher *******, but I don't hate them anymore.

One team I hate to see winning is England.
I absolutely can't stand their arrogance and that means they have to lose.
Just watch this thread : people are suddenly thinking England is a heavy favourite (like every 4 years it seems), and are hyping them on Brazil's level.
:shakehead

Being a bit of an Anglophile I support the English team obviously. Though I actually hate or dislike most of the team members (Neville, Beckham, ...)

I don't dislike any team really.
But I do often root against Italy, Portugal, and lately, probably due to our dutch posters, against Holland :D

I used to root against Germany, mainly because of the 82 Schumacher *******, but I don't hate them anymore.

One team I hate to see winning is England.
I absolutely can't stand their arrogance and that means they have to lose.
Just watch this thread : people are suddenly thinking England is a heavy favourite (like every 4 years it seems), and are hyping them on Brazil's level.
:shakehead

Arrogance eh, same could be said about the french ;).

Thats the media more than anything. We ourselves don't really think we are on Brazil's level, or that we are a certainty to win the World Cup. As for this thread, if you actually read what has been said England haven't been overly hyped.

Except England's second in voting and "hehatemefrisbee" placed them on Brazil's level.
No media here.

And yes I know about the french "arrogance", though I find it odd I must say.
Basically, France had the best team of the 80s and was eliminated twice in a WC semi and won a EC. But before that, we sucked, and after that we sucked as well. Not until 95 could we see a good team forming, which culminated in 98 and 00.
After that, everyone fell so much on their face that I don't think a single french fan is arrogant. If he is, he's more likely an idiot.

BTW, an interesting point for developping soccer nations, France is a prime example of how a country can go from bad to a top nation in a few decades : the federation made it compulsory for each pro team to have a youth academy.
With the impact of the 80s generation, France started to build a youth program that produced all the players we now know (Henry, Zidane, Djorkaeff, Blanc, Dessailly, etc...).

One team I hate to see winning is England.
I absolutely can't stand their arrogance and that means they have to lose.
Just watch this thread : people are suddenly thinking England is a heavy favourite (like every 4 years it seems), and are hyping them on Brazil's level.
:shakehead
Kinda like you with France, eh? ;)

Here's a question J17ser.
15% of french people think France will play the final.
How many % in England?

Except England's second in voting and "hehatemefrisbee" placed them on Brazil's level.
No media here.

And yes I know about the french "arrogance", though I find it odd I must say.
Basically, France had the best team of the 80s and was eliminated twice in a WC semi and won a EC. But before that, we sucked, and after that we sucked as well. Not until 95 could we see a good team forming, which culminated in 98 and 00.
After that, everyone fell so much on their face that I don't think a single french fan is arrogant. If he is, he's more likely an idiot.

BTW, an interesting point for developping soccer nations, France is a prime example of how a country can go from bad to a top nation in a few decades : the federation made it compulsory for each pro team to have a youth academy.
With the impact of the 80s generation, France started to build a youth program that produced all the players we now know (Henry, Zidane, Djorkaeff, Blanc, Dessailly, etc...).

Well, England has possibly its best team ever on paper (Though the chemistry sucks). The guy didn't say England were as good as Brazil, he said they were one of 4 teams who he considered to be the "Favourtites" (I assumed he thinkd Brazil is the 1 favourite). Now considering Englands price right now (Generally 7-1, biggest price is 15-2, shortest 13-2) its quite reasonably to say England have a solid chance.
Being English, i have an automatic desire to see the French lose. Though i do expect them to do well.
I was barely alive in the 80's, so i have no idea on how the French developed into a powerhouse.

Cool how this thread is bound to move out of it's sporting proportions, and as long as everyone is continuing to be civil I don't mind that, football's much more then a sport after all.



As for as the arrogance is concerned, I can see how some people might consider the French arrogant (though I wouldn't think they are arrogant when it comes to sport, they are very chauvinistic though) I wonder what makes you say the English are arrogant Evilo?

I think they're very sore loosers (remember the disgraceful Urs Maier incident) and usually have not so likeable fans, but in general (not counting the tabloids) I think their media is rather chauvinistic as well as opposed to real 'arrogant'. The tabloids are bad though, they play into the lowest feelings of human kind but those are better ignored.

Here's a question J17ser.
15% of french people think France will play the final.
How many % in England?

In england, interesting question. I have no idea to be honest. The media expects alot, and kinda builds us up. Within my friends and age group, i'd say alot of people expect us to do well, but a fairly small % expect us to win. I'd say about 5% of the people i know expect us to make the final. Confidence is low.

At BF: Nicely put (on the WC habits)..

At Evilo: You really root against the Dutch because of me?

At Bakos: It was different back then. I still find it hilarious. Rijkaard was making fun of Völler all game long. The Germans might got better results against us, but we got the make more fun of you guys.. ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1645000/images/_1647433_1990rijkaard_voller300.jpg

The moment he landed the spit he just couldn't holback his laugh, either. Not to mention he did it twice.

Kinda like you with France, eh? ;)
Actually no. I voted Brazil and think France is in the second pot (teams that can win it all, but have question marks).

As for as the arrogance is concerned, I can see how some people might consider the French arrogant (though I wouldn't think they are arrogant when it comes to sport, they are very chauvinistic though) I wonder what makes you say the English are arrogant Evilo?

I think they're very sore loosers (remember the disgraceful Urs Maier incident) and usually have not so likeable fans, but in general (not counting the tabloids) I think their media is rather chauvinistic as well as opposed to real 'arrogant'. The tabloids are bad though, they play into the lowest feelings of human kind but those are better ignored.
Well, when an english team wins, they make such a fuss out of it, it is incredible.
And having witnessed english fans first hand when they came to WC98, I can tell you plenty of them are so arrogant it is not even funny.

In england, interesting question. I have no idea to be honest. The media expects alot, and kinda builds us up. Within my friends and age group, i'd say alot of people expect us to do well, but a fairly small % expect us to win. I'd say about 5% of the people i know expect us to make the final. Confidence is low.
I can bet it is much higher.

At Evilo: You really root against the Dutch because of me?

No, but you know it is my contradiction sense. I often root against the hyped teams.
And Holland is hyped a lot here, and by many US fans (look at the number of posters who said Holland in this thread). So as I said, I tend to like the team that defy this hype.

I can bet it is much higher.

Not really. With Rooney missing atleast the group stages, expectations are dipping. As i said, i can't speak for the entire country, but most football fans i know don't expect us to make the final.
We are well reknown for our Hooligans though. Those are the people who think we have a 100% chance of winning.

England Vs Hungary is on, so gotta bolt.

Well, when an english team wins, they make such a fuss out of it, it is incredible.
And having witnessed english fans first hand when they came to WC98, I can tell you plenty of them are so arrogant it is not even funny.

Well I would think the French also make quite a fuss about it when a French team wins. Maybe it's because most people I know are from the Lyon region but still ;)

Oh and about English fans, I witnessed them in Charleroi in 2000 (Germany - England) :shakehead That wasn't arrogance though, just stupidity and idiocy by a small group of both sets of 'fans'.

lol, well the poll that said 15% said we would be in the final also says that 68% trust Domenech.
That says a lot.
I'm in the minority... ;)

Well I would think the French also make quite a fuss about it when a French team wins. Maybe it's because most people I know are from the Lyon region but still ;)
Lyon fans are getting really painful these days (just like their president).
They act as if football was born in Lyon, and that they're France's best team ever.
They should keep in mind Lyon was a minor town (football wise) 5 years ago. A very very minor town.
And I'm seeing plenty of fans from all around France too jumping on their bandwagon. Even some guys from Tours (that's for you Beli ;) )

I mean, who would still be a PSG supporter these days? :D

Lyon fans are getting really painful these days (just like their president).
They act as if football was born in Lyon, and that they're France's best team ever.
They should keep in mind Lyon was a minor town (football wise) 5 years ago. A very very minor town.
And I'm seeing plenty of fans from all around France too jumping on their bandwagon. Even some guys from Tours (that's for you Beli ;) )

I mean, who would still be a PSG supporter these days? :D


After selling Ronaldinho I would find it very hard to be an admitted PSG fan

I mean, who would still be a PSG supporter these days? :D

Moi! ;)

And if they pull they heads out of their butts and get Le Tallec, I would be the first to get his jersey.

At Bakos: It was different back then. I still find it hilarious. Rijkaard was making fun of Völler all game long. The Germans might got better results against us, but we got the make more fun of you guys.. ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1645000/images/_1647433_1990rijkaard_voller300.jpg

The moment he landed the spit he just couldn't holback his laugh, either. Not to mention he did it twice.

Sorry, but spitting is just classless. Making fun of an opponent in sport is classless no matter of how hard you hate or dominate him. That´s not the spirit of sport and shows just the full disrespect (and please, don´t call it hate or something like that).
Even in the hardest war on a pitch some rules of acceptance and respect have to be active and spitting/making fun of any other player is not what sport should be.

No need to defend it and yeah, i´m sure the dutch fun is better and there´s more fun - the typical discussion of "we are better than you are". I´ll give you the point, congrats :)
Here´s just some hope that you´re not too proud of the laugh and the spit - if you are really proud of an action like that i´d say you´re going down to a level i can´t imagine...

Sorry, but spitting is just classless. Making fun of an opponent in sport is classless no matter of how hard you hate or dominate him. That´s not the spirit of sport and shows just the full disrespect (and please, don´t call it hate or something like that).
Even in the hardest war on a pitch some rules of acceptance and respect have to be active and spitting/making fun of any other player is not what sport should be.

No need to defend it and yeah, i´m sure the dutch fun is better and there´s more fun - the typical discussion of "we are better than you are". I´ll give you the point, congrats :)
Here´s just some hope that you´re not too proud of the laugh and the spit - if you are really proud of an action like that i´d say you´re going down to a level i can´t imagine...

I'm not proud of it, but it was funny and can definitely laugh about it. But that's because I never despised anyone more than Rudy Völler..

Every Dutchman, and I really mean every Dutchman feels the same way.

Moi! ;)

And if they pull they heads out of their butts and get Le Tallec, I would be the first to get his jersey.
The thing is plenty of young talented players would play for half price for PSG (Menez, Le Tallec, Sinama, and many many others).

PSG tried once to assemble a team made of Paris born players, but couldn't make them play as a team.
That was a very interesting plan IMO. They simply chose the wrong players (selfish players like Dalmat, Anelka, Luccin, etc...).

I'm not sure there's another town in the world (with its surburbs) that produces more quality football players. Maybe Rio.
And yet PSG misses out on almost every one of these and never gives a chance to youngsters.

Reading this as an American has been really interesting. Just a couple thoughts/comments. I support Holland and England. Holland because my family is Dutch and my first TV football memory is Bergkamp's goal against Argentina at WC98. England just because I know all of their players, they speak English, and I really like Gerrard.

I don't really support the US a tremendous amount just because the quality of US football is so low. Defense is usually solid, but the US attacking lacks flair and creativity. They are just a really boring team to watch. However, I do hope that the US does well just to raise football awareness here in America. I know this is very cliched by now, but you'd be surprised by the amount of people that think David Beckham plays for Manu still and that he's their greatest player ever.

I'd be curious to see if some of our European friends are more passionate about club or country. For me, Arsenal will always be important, but I'd be curious to see what it is for you guys.

Shocking first half by England. Sven is using Carragher (doing quite well I thought) as anchor man and Gerrard as second striker.

The result was a very slow paced first half, with Lamps and Gerrard being invisible for around 40 minutes. No tempo, no passion, no width... nothing. Then the last 5 minutes things went a bit better. First good cross came in, Owen had a header blocked and in the resulting scrimmage Gerrard dived ( :shakehead ) to win a penalty. Lamps missed t though (poorly given penalty). Then there was another good chance for J. Cole.

Either way I don't think this is the way to go for England, Gerrard needs to have the play in front of him if he is to be used to the fullest. Right now he's just standing there and not having the ball nearly enough.

The best solution would be to ditch Becks and put Gerrard on the right, but that won't happen obviously (besides the right flank did work late in the game).

I think Carragher is doing OK in his new role but I think England would need a better quality man there, Carra's passing is just too slow and that makes the whole team play slow as a result (DM's are so important in dictating team passing tempo these days).

Shocking first half by England. Sven is using Carragher (doing quite well I thought) as anchor man and Gerrard as second striker.

The result was a very slow paced first half, with Lamps and Gerrard being invisible for around 40 minutes. No tempo, no passion, no width... nothing. Then the last 5 minutes things went a bit better. First good cross came in, Owen had a header blocked and in the resulting scrimmage Gerrard dived ( :shakehead ) to win a penalty. Lamps missed t though (poorly given penalty). Then there was another good chance for J. Cole.

Either way I don't think this is the way to go for England, Gerrard needs to have the play in front of him if he is to be used to the fullest. Right now he's just standing there and not having the ball nearly enough.

The best solution would be to ditch Becks and put Gerrard on the right, but that won't happen obviously (besides the right flank did work late in the game).

I think Carragher is doing OK in his new role but I think England would need a better quality man there, Carra's passing is just too slow and that makes the whole team play slow as a result (DM's are so important in dictating team passing tempo these days).
I'm watching it right now too, and I also thought it was quite disappointing. Gerrard and Owen looked confused at times in this new formation. I was surprised when I heard Carragher would be playing in the holding position, since I thought Carrick or Hargraeves were better suited for it. However, again this is a friendly, and it is time to experiment. Without Rooney, nobody is certain as to how to lineup, so this is a good chance to check. It pains me to see Jermaine Defoe on the bench though (and not on the 23 man roster), because I really feel he could be put to work.

Shocking first half by England. Sven is using Carragher (doing quite well I thought) as anchor man and Gerrard as second striker.

The result was a very slow paced first half, with Lamps and Gerrard being invisible for around 40 minutes. No tempo, no passion, no width... nothing. Then the last 5 minutes things went a bit better. First good cross came in, Owen had a header blocked and in the resulting scrimmage Gerrard dived ( :shakehead ) to win a penalty. Lamps missed t though (poorly given penalty). Then there was another good chance for J. Cole.

Either way I don't think this is the way to go for England, Gerrard needs to have the play in front of him if he is to be used to the fullest. Right now he's just standing there and not having the ball nearly enough.

The best solution would be to ditch Becks and put Gerrard on the right, but that won't happen obviously (besides the right flank did work late in the game).

I think Carragher is doing OK in his new role but I think England would need a better quality man there, Carra's passing is just too slow and that makes the whole team play slow as a result (DM's are so important in dictating team passing tempo these days).

-----Crouch-------Owen
-----------Gerrard-----
--J.Cole----------------Beckham
------------Carrick-------------
--A.Cole--Rio---Terry----Neville
-----------Robinson-----------

I still don't see why Sven refuses to use that formation. I don't like Crouch either, but that's why Bent or Ashton should have been picked.

I'm watching it right now too, and I also thought it was quite disappointing. Gerrard and Owen looked confused at times in this new formation. I was surprised when I heard Carragher would be playing in the holding position, since I thought Carrick or Hargraeves were better suited for it. However, again this is a friendly, and it is time to experiment. Without Rooney, nobody is certain as to how to lineup, so this is a good chance to check. It pains me to see Jermaine Defoe on the bench though (and not on the 23 man roster), because I really feel he could be put to work.

Well Sven said he would be using his strongest XI tonight so chances are this will be the team to start against Paraguay.

The problem is that Carrick kind of went through the ice in Sven's opinion against Belarus. And Hargreaves is useless defending AND making the play, at least Carragher is providing decent defensive coverage in midfield. And like I said I think he did allright considering the circumstances, the real problem is up front and on the flanks.



Anyway I won't see the second half as I'm off to bed (stupid exams) hopefully it improves though...

Finally.... Stevie G

Well Sven said he would be using his strongest XI tonight so chances are this will be the team to start against Paraguay.

The problem is that Carrick kind of went through the ice in Sven's opinion against Belarus. And Hargreaves is useless defending AND making the play, at least Carragher is providing decent defensive coverage in midfield. And like I said I think he did allright considering the circumstances, the real problem is up front and on the flanks.



Anyway I won't see the second half as I'm off to bed (stupid exams) hopefully it improves though...

The only reason Carrick was bad is because he was surrounded by people that don't belong and are inexperienced. I think he would do fine in a holding role with the first team.

I'd be curious to see if some of our European friends are more passionate about club or country. For me, Arsenal will always be important, but I'd be curious to see what it is for you guys.
I think for Italians, the club sides are more important. They represent people better, since Italy is a vast country. I was in Italy last week, and it seemed like the majority of the talk was about Juventus, Milan, etc... and not the World Cup (granted, the talk has been about the scandal, and the Shevchenko decision, both massive stories in their own right).

In England, I think club football is bigger as well, since you follow your club all year, and club football there is massive to begin with. Nick Hornsby mentioned that in World Cup 98, he was proud that "Arsenal [won] the World Cup," since Arsenal had a good French contingent back then.

Although it doesn't compare, I get the same sense with hockey as well. I support the Canadiens all year, all the time, and don't feel nearly as strong for Canada. In fact, at times, I cheer for players like Koivu, Kovalev/Markov or Zednik when they play against Canada.

David Beckham has proven his value in the two England goals so far. Everytime that people mention he should be excluded from the starting XI, people should be reminded that he can change the complexion of a game with his set piece delivery.

As I write this, Hungary has scored on a brilliant strike.

I'm not proud of it, but it was funny and can definitely laugh about it. But that's because I never despised anyone more than Rudy Völler..

Every Dutchman, and I really mean every Dutchman feels the same way.

Sad to hear that.
I´d throw everybody off my team who´d dive, spit, throw around fists or anything like that (and so did i with our tabletennis youth)even if the opponent is the most unfair player ever.

I couldn´t laugh about even if someone would break Paulio Sergio´s foot who´s guilty for the first relegation of Kaiserslautern because of his lack of character. I´m not going down to this level and answer evil with more evilness - and if you do, you´re not better than the opponent.


On a sidenote:
Germany - Japan 2:2 (Klose, Schweinsteiger - Takahara 2)
Japan the better squad, very fast and agile. Pretty lazy german squad with two late headers in the game.
It was still a decent soccer match to watch (and that´s what i´d like to see on TV).

btw:

There´s a spelling error on the helmet and one in your header..

Jetzt geht´s looooos.
If you´re writing it with a lot of s, then it doesn´t sound the way it should be.

NO UKRAINE :confused: :madfire:

Anyone talking about Italian, Spanish, Brazilian and Portugese players diving should take a look at Steven Gerrards pathetic effort tonight. One word: Disgusting

I'd be curious to see if some of our European friends are more passionate about club or country.
Country, no question.

btw:

There´s a spelling error on the helmet and one in your header..

Jetzt geht´s looooos.
If you´re writing it with a lot of s, then it doesn´t sound the way it should be.

Gotta love this rivalry :)

Also, ... can you imagine what the Sun's headline would be if England won the Cup in Germany? ;)

I'd be curious to see if some of our European friends are more passionate about club or country. For me, will always be important, but I'd be curious to see what it is for you guys.
1) Tottenham
2) Denmark
3) England

I guess the main reason is that I follow Spurs for 11 months a year (I try to switch off when the off season rumours (on that note, why haven't we been linked to Rivaldo or JVoH yet this summer?) get too silly) whereas the national team is in focus for a few weeks, or perhaps a couple of months if it's a tournament year. Assuming the country in question decided to show up for its qualifiers and put in a worthwhile performance. Sigh.

Anyone talking about Italian, Spanish, Brazilian and Portugese players diving should take a look at Steven Gerrards pathetic effort tonight. One word: Disgusting

Yeah, that was pretty sad alright. I like Gerrard and think he is one of the best all-around players in the game, but I was pretty disappointed to see that.

Yeah, that was pretty sad alright. I like Gerrard and think he is one of the best all-around players in the game, but I was pretty disappointed to see that.

Not the first time he's done it though, one of the more worrying aspects of his "all round game" if you ask me

Obviously Oranje isn't a top 15 candidate and have to been seen as inferiors to powerhouses such as Korea, US and Mexico.
I like that underdog position !


Holland is playing in the toughest group and then you still have the knock out phase, impossible task IMO. They can't match some other countries anymore (Brasil, Italy, Argentina, Czechs).


I go for Italy.

Polska :yo:

Watford my home town promoted to the top division in England 2 weeks ago :handclap: & the silky smooth flair of the Albiceleste.

GO ARGENTINA !! :clap:

I must say seeing Brazil in front is obvious, but seeing England as second on votes here is quite entertaining. Nearly as much as USA's 7 votes.

I wish I was optimistic about the USAs chances as those 7.

Well, as long as more people have faith in the USA than Mexico in the World Cup is more than A-OK by me. :)

I always pick Brazil to win it all and i believe they will this time around as well.

I also see Serbia as a darkhorse team that many are overlooking. This is the same team that allowed only 1 goal against in the qualifying group that consisted of Spain,Belgium,Bosnia, Lithuania and San Marino IIRC. Greate defense and two awesome goalkeepers. Hard working midfield and tall strike force.

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I'd be curious to see if some of our European friends are more passionate about club or country. For me, Arsenal will always be important, but I'd be curious to see what it is for you guys.
From my experience in England Club teams are what you watch all the time, while the national team is always in the back of your mind. If your club has no chance at winning a trophy or getting into Europe (a mid level club) Then the national team is probably first.

I'd be curious to see if some of our European friends are more passionate about club or country.

For me it´s club.

Gotta love this rivalry :)

Also, ... can you imagine what the Sun's headline would be if England won the Cup in Germany? ;)

Yeah, but everything has been said and done...

i expect new things that really make you laugh and laughing about the 100th helmet, bratwurst or spit joke is ....lame :)

Brazil is and should be the favorite to win. The USA is a darkhorse though--if they make it through their group alive it's gonna mean that they will be playing amazing soccer and will be tough to beat.

I wouldn't hold my breath though.

I think Brazil will take it. They can live up to all of the hype they've gotten. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Dida, Kaka, Robinho, I mean where does it end?! England, Argentina, Holland, Spain and Germany are also very strong.

David Beckham has proven his value in the two England goals so far. Everytime that people mention he should be excluded from the starting XI, people should be reminded that he can change the complexion of a game with his set piece delivery.

As I write this, Hungary has scored on a brilliant strike.

Beckham is very good, but also very overrated. Remember the 2004 Euro Cup? He missed the net, let alone score! That was pathetic.

Beckham is very good, but also very overrated. Remember the 2004 Euro Cup? He missed the net, let alone score! That was pathetic.I don't think he's overrated anymore. He used to be, especially in his last few years at Man Utd and perhaps his first two seasons in Madrid, but to me he's just a very good player with one hell of a long range shot.

Also, many great players have missed crucial penalties. Remember Baggio in 1994? Riquelme against Arsenal? Eto'o at the CAF?

I just filled out a bracket.

Brazil over the Czechs in the final, my big darkhorse was Sweden going to the semis.

No, but you know it is my contradiction sense. I often root against the hyped teams.
And Holland is hyped a lot here, and by many US fans (look at the number of posters who said Holland in this thread). So as I said, I tend to like the team that defy this hype.

Don't worry, your ultra-Nationalistic jingo is not the reason I root against France, so rest assured.

Keep up the good work.

Also, many great players have missed crucial penalties. Remember Baggio in 1994? Riquelme against Arsenal? Eto'o at the CAF?
Platini in 1986, Maradona in 1990.....Seedorf in 1995, 1996, 2002. :sarcasm:

Which is why I voted for Brazil... :sarcasm:

I'm surely not the most "ultra-nationalitic" poster here it seems.

Platini in 1986, Maradona in 1990.....Seedorf in 1995, 1996, 2002. :sarcasm:
Zico in 86.

I think Brazil will take it. They can live up to all of the hype they've gotten. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Dida, Kaka, Robinho, I mean where does it end?! England, Argentina, Holland, Spain and Germany are also very strong.
And France too.


PS : Dedicated to IronChrisWok.

Platini in 1986, Maradona in 1990.....Seedorf in 1995, 1996, 2002. :sarcasm:

Shevchenko in 2005 :yo:

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This is more of a post to use these new banana's

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I find it very strange that nobody mentioned Croatia (even as a dark horse favourite). But I like it. :D Croatia is better than at least half of the teams listed in the poll.

I find it very strange that nobody mentioned Croatia (even as a dark horse favourite). But I like it. :D Croatia is better than at least half of the teams listed in the poll.Brazil, England, Italy, France, Argentina, Czech Republic, Portugal, Spain and Holland are all better than Croatia.

I would even rank Germany (never count them out) and Sweden over Croatia.

So I fairly disagree.

At this point No African team has ever reached the semi's of the World Cup and that won't be any different this time IMO.

Let them first learn to play a system because I agree what O=S said, they are still a bunch individuals who are running around like chickens without their head. It's entertaining to watch when they face skilled (European) teams but zap away when they face eachother.

The African Cup is still an agony to watch.

Brazil, England, Italy, France, Argentina, Czech Republic, Portugal, Spain and Holland are all better than Croatia.

I would even rank Germany (never count them out) and Sweden over Croatia.

So I fairly disagree.
ditto.

At this point No African team has ever reached the semi's of the World Cup and that won't be any different this time IMO.

Let them first learn to play a system because I agree what O=S said, they are still a bunch individuals who are running around like chickens without their head. It's entertaining to watch when they face skilled (European) teams but zap away when they face eachother.

The African Cup is still an agony to watch.
There I disagree.
Ivory Coast is playing like few african nations have ever played right now.

And the Africa Cup lacks rythm because of the heat.

Yeah, that was pretty sad alright. I like Gerrard and think he is one of the best all-around players in the game, but I was pretty disappointed to see that.
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I thought all soccer players dive. :dunno:
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Brazil, England, Italy, France, Argentina, Czech Republic, Portugal, Spain and Holland are all better than Croatia.

I would even rank Germany (never count them out) and Sweden over Croatia.

So I fairly disagree.

I don't agree with Spain, Czech Republic and Germany being better than Croatia (but that's all close) and definitely not Sweden. We beat Sweden twice in the qualifications so I base my opinion on that. We play against Spain in just few days so we'll see how they do.

Another interesting number to note in this vote :
Poland with 4 votes!
No idea why...:dunno:

Another interesting number to note in this vote :
Poland with 4 votes!
No idea why...:dunno:

I guess those are either Poles or posters with Polish roots & they are BIG homers. :biglaugh:

At this point No African team has ever reached the semi's of the World Cup and that won't be any different this time IMO.

Let them first learn to play a system because I agree what O=S said, they are still a bunch individuals who are running around like chickens without their head. It's entertaining to watch when they face skilled (European) teams but zap away when they face eachother.

The African Cup is still an agony to watch.

Speaking of the African teams. I think that CIV & Ghana have the best chances of advancing to the knockout phase. We recentley had an hour long discussion and some of my roomies really think that Tunesia will do some damage. :dunno:

Tunisia is a good team as well. Fast, technical and well organised. Their coach won Euro 00.
Togo and Angola suck on the other hand.

There I disagree.
Ivory Coast is playing like few african nations have ever played right now.

And the Africa Cup lacks rythm because of the heat.
You might expect they can handle the heat.

Anyhow, we'll see. ;)

I don't agree with Spain, Czech Republic and Germany being better than Croatia (but that's all close) and definitely not Sweden. We beat Sweden twice in the qualifications so I base my opinion on that. We play against Spain in just few days so we'll see how they do.
Of course we can discuss this to death but I absolutely don't see how Croatia is better than the Czech Republic. Meanwhile I thought we would know how strong the Czechs are.

I don't think he's overrated anymore. He used to be, especially in his last few years at Man Utd and perhaps his first two seasons in Madrid, but to me he's just a very good player with one hell of a long range shot.

Also, many great players have missed crucial penalties. Remember Baggio in 1994? Riquelme against Arsenal? Eto'o at the CAF?
As strange as it may sound, I think David Beckham is somewhat underrated, because everybody "thinks" he's overrated, and don't respect his game. I see a lot of people say, "get rid of Beckham," "Beckham's only there because of Sven," etc, but the truth is that he still makes plays happen. Of course he has deficiencies in his game, like other players, but I would prefer Beckham in there over SWP (who incidently didn't make the team), or any other English midfielder (when Gerrard, Lampard and Cole are already in there).

i would love to see Italy win (being that I am italian) but, the country would go nuts if the US won....so, either or.

The USA has twice the votes of the Czech Republic.

I find that comical.

What I find comical is that people actually expect accurate results from a poll at HF.

We disagree.
Let's decide it in the poll board!

What's horrible is that it's a common read on HFboards.

As strange as it may sound, I think David Beckham is somewhat underrated, because everybody "thinks" he's overrated, and don't respect his game. I see a lot of people say, "get rid of Beckham," "Beckham's only there because of Sven," etc, but the truth is that he still makes plays happen. Of course he has deficiencies in his game, like other players, but I would prefer Beckham in there over SWP (who incidently didn't make the team), or any other English midfielder (when Gerrard, Lampard and Cole are already in there).

I wrote a post on this board a year ot two ago that still rings true. Beckham is over-rated by hordes of casual fans (as well as non-fans who have heard of him) but is under-rated by hardcore fans who resent his undeserved popularity.

The USA has twice the votes of the Czech Republic.

I find that comical.
How many soccer fans know anything about the Czech Republic and how many of those people come to this board?

There are about as many Americans on this board as Canadians. Those two groups of people make up a significant majority of the board's users. Of course some people (like me) are going to vote for their home side. It's like asking NFL fans who's going to win the Super Bowl. Lots of them will say their favorite team (like me - the Bengals! WHODEY BABY!!!). I'm honestly surprised at how few votes the USA have.

Tunisia is a good team as well. Fast, technical and well organised. Their coach won Euro 00.
Togo and Angola suck on the other hand.

Especially Togo.

They will be crushed, their program is in complete disarray.

Going with the boring vote: Brazil.

My hopes are for England and Italy to be eliminated early, can't stand them. Especielly Italy... ****ing crybabies. (Refering to the 2-2 Sweden vs Denmark game that got Italy out of Euro 2004)

I am hoping for Argentina and Holland, well ofcourse the dream is that Sweden goes far but I don't count on that, and well I dont think I could even manage it if Sweden actually did... it is just too big.

Especielly Italy... ****ing crybabies. (Refering to the 2-2 Sweden vs Denmark game that got Italy out of Euro 2004)


What? You expected them not to cry? That 2-2 draw was the most disgusting thing I ever saw in football.

I hope to see Italy vs. Sweden game this year so that Italy can get their revenge. :D

That 2-2 draw was the most disgusting thing I ever saw in football.
The match of the shame : Austria-Germany

What? You expected them not to cry? That 2-2 draw was the most disgusting thing I ever saw in football.

I hope to see Italy vs. Sweden game this year so that Italy can get their revenge. :D

Then you need an eye transplant. Just because Italy has a culture of cheating in soccer(look at all the scandals) doesn't mean everyone else has. Yes, both teams slowed down after the equalizer, but what do you expect when both teams had absolutely everything to loose by attacking. And if you claim that neither team tried to win at the beginning, then perhaps you need a pair of glasses to go with your new eyes.