what was the offer for comrie? [Archive]

Herby

11-05-2003, 10:25 PM

Vishnevski and a prospect.

Not a chance. Lowe was demanding Frolov + a good prospect from the Kings. No way does he accept a struggling defenseman who makes awful decisions with little to no offensive upside. I don't see how the Ducks wouldn't have to give up Chistov or atleast Lupul + Perry in any deal.

As for the Kings offer, I'm thinking maybe Taylor has given in and put Frolov on the table, along with maybe someone like Anshakov or even Tambellini if Edmonton threw in someone like Chimera. The rumors of Frolov + Brown or Frolov + Grebeshkov or even Frolov + Gleason are ridiculous as Taylor is not going to gut his future for Comrie.

I will say though, Alexander Frolov could come back to haunt the Kings in the future, he has all the tools to be an all-star 1st line forward in this league. I just dont think he knows how good he really is.

FacelessButcher

11-05-2003, 11:23 PM

Lowe is extremely high on Lupul I doubt it would take much more than him maybe an addition of a so-so prospect like Juha Alen would do the trick. I doubt this was the proposal(but it would be what Lowe would probably prefer) more likely something involving Vishnevski and a pretty good prospect that Lowe fancys as was mentioned before.

I got a kind of a wierd idea to bounce off you guys would you be interested in swapping Deslauriers for Bryzgalov? They are virtually perfectly equal in projected skill level the primary difference being age and readiness to step into the NHL. Tommy Salo our no.1 goalie is showing signs of aging and is not performing as well as he once did while Deslaurier is 3-5 yrs from assuming the starting role so we need a repacement goalie or a prospect who is closer to a starter to fill that gap sooner. Now Giguere is 26 yrs old and will be your no.1 goalie till about 35 let's say but Bryzgalov is only about 1-2yrs from being starter capable so he kind of wastes away waiting for Giguere to retire, while Gerber is a more than capable back-up right now. Assuming Deslaurier and Bryzgalov retire at 35 you would get 4 more years use out of Deslaurier to your advantage, I hope I explained my idea adequately. Thoughts?

McDonald19

11-06-2003, 12:22 AM

LUPUL is staying in Anaheim!!!!

We dont need little Comrie that bad.

FacelessButcher

11-06-2003, 12:32 AM

LUPUL is staying in Anaheim!!!!

We dont need little Comrie that bad.
24 goals in 12 games right? You didn't give an opinon on my side idea. I mearly stated Lupul is what Lowe would ask for not what he would get.

McDonald19

11-06-2003, 12:45 AM

24 goals in 12 games right? You didn't give an opinon on my side idea. I mearly stated Lupul is what Lowe would ask for not what he would get.

I agree with you that Lowe would ask for Lupul. Thats why we probably won't be the ones getting Comrie.

but...

If Lowe will take Vish, what prospect do you see Lowe asking for as well? I don't think he wants Smirnov.

As for the goalie question. I like Bryzgalov as our future backup to Giguere. Gerber wants to be a number one goalie in the NHL, if he doesn't get the chance I could see him going back to Europe. I'm sticking with Bryz as our #1 goalie prospect.

FacelessButcher

11-06-2003, 01:12 AM

If Lowe will take Vish, what prospect do you see Lowe asking for as well? I don't think he wants Smirnov.
Your guess is as good as mine as most things he would want are tied down. We need a big center with top 2 line potential who can play now(you don't appear to have one, Niedermayer would be of interest but he's the hottest duck right now so thats quickly vetoed) scoring more of a sniper type from the rw (I don't think Perry is an option since you just drafted him), stud defensive prospect(not sure if you want to give up two d with none coming back). We are heavily stacked on lw and center prospects so we don't need any of them unless its a bona-fide superstar. Really not much options, I think Lowe will look elsewhere

Vish,Pecker,low pick? maybe just does not adress enough of our issues I feel.

Kick Save

11-06-2003, 09:27 AM

You're right: the Ducks can't fill some of the needs of the Oilers, but . . . Edmonton does need help between the pipes. I think the Ducks definitely could use a guy like Comrie, so . . .

how about something along these lines:

1. Bryzgalov, Vish and the Ducks #1 pick in 2004 for Comrie, Deslauriers and the Oilers #3 in 2004?

Pwnasaurus

11-06-2003, 10:51 AM

Bryzgalov, Vish and the Ducks #3 pick in 2004 for Comrie and Deslauriers

If anything I would prefer this....I'm not that high on Comrie obviously especially since he is more of what we have already

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

11-06-2003, 12:13 PM

Lowe is going to realize he can't get top notch prospects for a holdout who has little to no intention to return to his team.

I think Vish, Smirnov and maybe a draft pick could go for Comrie. I would like to see Vish and a first for Comrie and a second or something like that. Or maybe Vish, a second, and maybe one of the minor leaguers.

Seachd

11-06-2003, 12:23 PM

Bryzgalov, Vish and the Ducks #3 pick in 2004 for Comrie and Deslauriers

If anything I would prefer this....I'm not that high on Comrie obviously especially since he is more of what we have already

I don't think Lowe would trade Deslauriers (arguably EDM's top prospect) for another goalie prospect. Even though Bryzgalov will be good, the Oilers are very high on Deslauriers, and there's nothing to say he won't be just as good. I see the two goalies basically as a wash, and I don't think Vishnevski and a 3rd is enough for Comrie.

As for the Kings offer, I'm thinking maybe Taylor has given in and put Frolov on the table, along with maybe someone like Anshakov or even Tambellini if Edmonton threw in someone like Chimera. The rumors of Frolov + Brown or Frolov + Grebeshkov or even Frolov + Gleason are ridiculous as Taylor is not going to gut his future for Comrie.

I like the whole Frolov-to-Edmonton idea, but if it does happen, it only makes sense that someone like Chimera or Rita (LWers) goes to LA. But I'm not sure if Frolov and Anshakov would make it work. Tambellini might but he's another LW.

I know it's unlikely, but I personally would be wililng to do something like Comrie+Rita/Chimera+2nd for Frolov+Grebeshkov/Brown. But that's probably not enough, and I know LA likes their youngsters.

Duckstudd269

11-06-2003, 02:30 PM

Not a chance. Lowe was demanding Frolov + a good prospect from the Kings. No way does he accept a struggling defenseman who makes awful decisions with little to no offensive upside. I don't see how the Ducks wouldn't have to give up Chistov or atleast Lupul + Perry in any deal.

As for the Kings offer, I'm thinking maybe Taylor has given in and put Frolov on the table, along with maybe someone like Anshakov or even Tambellini if Edmonton threw in someone like Chimera. The rumors of Frolov + Brown or Frolov + Grebeshkov or even Frolov + Gleason are ridiculous as Taylor is not going to gut his future for Comrie.

I will say though, Alexander Frolov could come back to haunt the Kings in the future, he has all the tools to be an all-star 1st line forward in this league. I just dont think he knows how good he really is.

If the kings trade Frolov they made a HUGE mistake, this kid looks awesome. but the same goes for the ducks if they trade Lupul. i wouldnt be dissapointed to let go of chistov, but not Lupul, this guy is going to be awesome. he's big, very skilled, natural scorer, and works hard (unlike chistov)

so i say we offer.. Bryz, Vish, Smirnov for comrie

FacelessButcher

11-06-2003, 05:59 PM

I don't think Lowe would trade Deslauriers (arguably EDM's top prospect) for another goalie prospect. Even though Bryzgalov will be good, the Oilers are very high on Deslauriers, and there's nothing to say he won't be just as good. I see the two goalies basically as a wash, and I don't think Vishnevski and a 3rd is enough for Comrie.

Your right Bryz for Deslauriers is a total wash both franchises are very high on both the goaltending prospects just Bryzgalov will be ready sooner and Deslauriers won't be ready in time to replace Salo cause I don't think were picking up Salo's second optional year at $3.9million. Trading for Bryzgalov will save us either 3.9million on Tommy or whatever asset we have to trade for a new starter to fill the gap.

FacelessButcher

11-06-2003, 06:01 PM

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

11-06-2003, 07:01 PM

I'd do this one
Vish +1st=Comrie+3rd
Bryz=Deslauriers

Yeah, it's be a good trade. I'd do it. Does Bryz vs. Deslauriers matter, as I'd rather keep them out for now. Vish and a first for Comrie and a third is good though.

Duckstudd269

11-06-2003, 07:47 PM

I'd do this one
Vish +1st=Comrie+3rd
Bryz=Deslauriers

Deal. now all we need is BM to make it official. :handclap:

McDonald19

11-06-2003, 08:06 PM

Vish and 2004 1st rd for Comrie and 2004 3rd rd sounds good to me.

FacelessButcher

11-07-2003, 03:58 AM

Pwnasaurus

11-07-2003, 04:22 AM

Explain to me again how Comrie helps our problem of getting to the front of the net

McDonald19

11-07-2003, 04:30 AM

I think if Murray wants Comrie he will try to acquire him by trading one or some of our Russians. (Vish,Chistov,Smirnov)
Joffrey Lupul is the type of player that both Bryan Murray and Mike Babcock like...Canadian, skilled, gritty.

Lupul was also the first player drafted by Murray as Ducks GM. He went out of his way to make sure he could draft him. (giving predators draft pick to not draft him at #6 spot so he would fall to Anaheim at #7)

Trading Lupul just seems unlikely to me right now.

McDonald19

11-07-2003, 04:33 AM

Comrie article-http://www.canada.com/edmonton/sports/teams/oilers/story.html?id=FA236503-613E-42A7-85D9-90FF10C8FEF6

It states their is rumblings that Anaheim is willing to give up Joffrey Lupul,of course rumblings don't equal truth the writer is not the best or most reliable of Edmonton journalists so don't take anything as gospel, but gives perspective on the way things are heading.

sounds like an unreliable journalist to me as well. He picks a team thats struggling a bit(mentions our 4-7-1-2 record) and then thinks of the teams best young player and then decides they will do something drastic and offer him up as trade bait. I think its a BS article.

FacelessButcher

11-07-2003, 05:50 AM

sounds like an unreliable journalist to me as well. He picks a team thats struggling a bit(mentions our 4-7-1-2 record) and then thinks of the teams best young player and then decides they will do something drastic and offer him up as trade bait. I think its a BS article.
She did not just fabricate the entire article there was a lot of quotes and facts taken directly from other articles of course there is some speculation in there as the Comrie camp+Lowe camp have a confidentiality agreement and keep rather tight-lipped(for the most part). To insinuate that she picked your team exclusively for your record is untrue as there has been stated interest and the ducks have already made an offer to the Oilers, your teams record is just incentive for a trade to take place(establishing cause & effect) as the common practice is teams that are doing well don't want to break up what they have by making a deal. Trading Comrie for Lupul straight up is by no means desperate I know how much you like him but realistically he won't match or beat Comrie's point totals for about 3 years if he lives up to his potential and niether will probably be a great deal better than the other IMO. Her opinionated articles and speculation articles is where you have to watch out for, most of what she stated I have heard before and can attest to its truthfullness, the greatest doubt I have is the offering of Lupul I know Lowe wants him but its the first time I have heard him being offered back this is obviously the piece of the article that is of the greatest interest to the Ducks fans and most questionable she probably has an inside source and the truthfullness of that source remains to be seen(for all we know its Comrie+something for just Lupul I consider it to be just a heads up I am sure we will here another rumor before any deal takes place so I would not worry about it yet rumors come and go all the time).

Pwnasaurus

11-07-2003, 06:02 AM

Lupul isn't going anywhere...again....how does Comrie help us get to the net for some ugly goals that have eluded us thus far?

FacelessButcher

11-07-2003, 06:22 AM

Lupul isn't going anywhere...again....how does Comrie help us get to the net for some ugly goals that have eluded us thus far?
Comrie scores lots of ugly goals he is only moderately finesse and not a very good sniper. He gets his points as a playmaker who can read the play and is very good at being in the exact spot that a rebound just happen to land or finding holes/seams in the d. If your looking for a power forward that drives hard to the net and knocks bodies down or a player like Smyth a ***** disturber who stands in front of the goalie and deflects pucks Comrie is none of these. If the affromentioned style of play is what you looking for you better look elsewhere but I don't recall the duck having either of these in last years cup run and am not sure it is the kind of player that is best accustomed to your style or system.

P.S. Comrie can dive almost as well as Kariya so he should help your power-play not really an admirable quality but it does help win games thats for sure.

Pwnasaurus

11-07-2003, 07:48 AM

Comrie scores lots of ugly goals he is only moderately finesse and not a very good sniper. He gets his points as a playmaker who can read the play and is very good at being in the exact spot that a rebound just happen to land or finding holes/seams in the d.

I recall Prospal being this type of player as well in Tampa...I'll take Ryan Smyth off your hands instead...as I'd rather create my own luck with a power forward driving to the net...however if Murray feels the chemistry needs to be shaken up further I would not give up a 1st rounder in a deal...and would rather this be the case:

Vish/Bryz/Smirnov for Comrie

If this isn't enough and LA wants to give up Frolov great...let them do it....I can live without Comrie....if you wanna take 2 underachieving Russians and a goaltending prospect...fine.....I would not mention the words Lupul/Getzlaf/Popovic/Perry or 1st rounder in any trade on the Anaheim side....christ...is Comrie that much more productive than Scott Gomez?

Gomez = .748 ppg/career
Comrie = .693 ppg/career

Ummmm...no he's not more productive....and I don't think people would be so hot to grab Gomez from NJ...Comrie talk is silly to me

Spankatola Jamnuts*

11-07-2003, 08:35 AM

We don't really need another playmaking center unless we're planning on upgrading McDonald or Pahlsson, otherwise...no big deal.

Pwnasaurus

11-07-2003, 09:17 AM

We don't really need another playmaking center unless we're planning on upgrading McDonald or Pahlsson, otherwise...no big deal.

Finally a voice of reason....the only center we don't currently have on the roster is Scot Pollard

FacelessButcher

11-07-2003, 09:18 AM

We don't really need another playmaking center unless we're planning on upgrading McDonald or Pahlsson, otherwise...no big deal.
He has good passing skills and makes plays but he is not exactly in the Gomez or Oates mold(not as good a play-maker as either) if thats what your thinking he is much much better at scoring goals and doesn't hesitate to take the shot. He is really good at getting away from the traffic and finding an opening just like Brett Hull but not the patented one timer just makes a move in close and shoots for the holes. If you need more offense Comrie provides it simple as that(Giggy can't stand on his head every night and averaging 2 goals a game won't cut it if you want to win a cup) and whether you want him or not your GM obviously has some interest and is willing to make some moves to acquire him, I'm sure it will be a fair trade and for less than what most Edmonton fans demand for him on these boards.

Spankatola Jamnuts*

11-07-2003, 10:04 AM

FacelessButcher

11-07-2003, 10:37 AM

Don't get all upset. He doesn't read the boards and your adulation isn't going to score you points.

I'm not trying to denigrate him as a player, but the fact remains that he would be our 3rd-best center. I'd love to see him there, because he'd definitely be an upgrade over Pahlsson or McDonald, but that's it. He's a good player, but he's not worth as much to us as he would be to other teams who need help at center.
Not upset in the least just trying to portray him in a better light and mearly stating the fact that whether or not you the fans are interested your Gm is and he is the one that makes the decisions, although fans opinions are important and are usually a good gauge on possiblilties.I agree that Comrie would be your 3rd best center, but Rucchin would be better suited to the 3rd line duty than Comrie as Comrie is better offensively and Rucchin is better defensively just makes more sense.

Pwnasaurus

11-07-2003, 11:23 AM

I understand your frustration with Comrie....the only way I see Edmonton getting a lot back for him however is if they can play a few teams into a bidding war...my preference is that Anaheim not be a part of that bidding war...I would hope Murray feels the same way...like I said...if the Oilers wanna take a couple of underachieving Russians and a goalie prospect for him, fine...if not...let him go to a team that needs a playmaking center more than we do right now....I wish you all the best in getting a good return for your RFA

Mr Sakich

11-07-2003, 06:36 PM

if you can beleive the newspapers, there is a bidding war on right now. Here is a 23 year old who has a 33 goal season under his belt (in his first full year)and was on pace to outscore marion gaborik last year before his broken arm.

I think I am going to repeat that sentence. Comrie was on pace to outscore marion gaborik before he broke his arm half way through the year.

That is why your gm is taking a long hard look at him.

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

11-07-2003, 07:46 PM

I like Comrie. I'd love to see him as #89 in a Ducks uni. And, it seems, that it could really happen.

Lowe isn't the type to get whats deserved back. I figure Anaheim has the best package he would like. Underacheivers with lots of potential.

Oil fans disagree? Well, of the last deals he made, he traded for FOUR underacheivers. Niinimaa for Isbister and Torres? Torres wasn't playing to his level at the time. Isbister wasn't playing anywhere near his potential. Radek Dvorak had one good season. Cory Cross was only a half decent d-man. Yet, when teams like the Leafs could've gave you Brad Boyes, Alyn MaCauly and a first rounder(package for Nolan, Carter > Nolan), he goes for then underacheivers. Lowe likes to take a chance.

So, why not on Vishnevski and Smirnov? No chance LA parts with any of their prospects(maybe Boyle and Tambellini, but not good chance). Hotlanta probably doesn't want to deal Marc Savard, as he's a great center for the also injured Dany Heatley and Slava Kozlov. Stefan's an underacheiver, but Stefan for Comrie? Rather go for BM's deal.

This is the exact thing Murray does. He traded Cullen for Ozolinsh last year, which was using something he doesn't need to get something he can use. Anaheim needs a good scorer, so Comrie fits the bill. Something Anaheim doesn't need, another d-man, like Vishnevski, and a prospect who will play most of the season in the farm. Cincy's good without Smirnov, with Aucoin, Holmqvist and others. No need for Smirnov. But, don't even talk about Bryz. He's a great goalie prospect, and though we don't need a good goalie prospect, I'm not too confident on Ferhi starting in Cincy. Bryz can go if they call reel in another goalie for Cincy, but othewise, no deal. If we get Deslauriers, who isn't ready for Cincy yet, it's a wash anyways.

The main thing is money. Eisener's got money. He isn't afraid to spend it on something the Ducks need. But, a smart move would be signing Comrie to a deal that pays him $1 million this year, with a bit of bonuses, and more next year, when Fedorov's and Prospal's salaries each go down by $4 million.

So, it seems logical, don't it? BM uses things he doesn't need to get something that will benefit the team. Lowe trades stars who he doesn't want to pay for underacheiving people who have high potential. Eisener has the money to sign Comrie. Lowe could use Vish to better his blueline, while grabbing Smirnov to play on the bottom lines(or top, whichever Mac T likes) or in Toronto. The Oil offense isn't missing Comrie too much.

So, Vish and Smirnov, and throw in maybe a second, to make it a bit more even, for Comrie, and maybe a fourth/fifth. Everyone wins.

Digger12

11-08-2003, 12:18 AM

McDonald19

11-08-2003, 01:18 AM

According to an Edmonton paper, Anaheim's offered Lupul and a pick for Comrie.

http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonSports/es.es-11-08-0078.html

With Comrie apparently willing to sign for less than his qualifying offer in order to facilitate a trade (I read it, and I still don't believe it), what do you guys/girls think about it all now?

This is starting to worry me. I want to see Lupul become a star with the Ducks. Why do we have to use him as trade bait. Can't we use Vish,Smirnov,or Chistov?

chum

11-08-2003, 01:21 AM

hemsky and chistov on a line would be quite scary. i'd much rather keep chistov than lupul.

Jerky Leclerc

11-08-2003, 05:50 AM

Lupul for Comrie? I don't know. I hope not. Lupul has become this year's fan favorite. The good thing is that Murray is actively pursuing Comrie acording to Winters. I like the fact that the Ducks are serious bidders in any and every deal.

While Murray was initially reluctant to part with Lupul, a centre who scored 56 goals with the Medicine Hat Tigers in 2001-'02 and was drafted seventh by Anaheim in 2002, he is now pitching him, and a draft choice, in an effort to land Comrie.

Fan.At

11-08-2003, 06:25 AM

I do not like what is going on here. The Ducks have added some quality players over last months - Fedorov, Prospal, Niedermayer, Ozolinsh. What they need now is stability to gain confidence, not another trade.

There is enough talent to turn the season around. I doubt it will help Lupul if he is involved in trade rumors at that stage of his career. Right now he should focus on playing hockey, not where he could end up next week.

Spankatola Jamnuts*

11-08-2003, 07:10 AM

Comrie is worth Lupul in a vacuum, but I don't think he's worth that to us.

I have a hard time believing that that's true. Canadian newspapers tend to be a little wonky on these things.

Jerky Leclerc

11-08-2003, 07:13 AM

McDonald19

11-08-2003, 09:16 AM

Winters said Comrie has talked to Bryan Murray so I think that is a sign that the Ducks are very interested. I hate losing a young kid like Lupul but you have to give to get. I think Chistov and Comrie would work well together on a line.

How about Comrie and Lupul on a line together instead. Chistov and Comrie are both very small by NHL standards. I dont see that working.

If we get to choose between keeping Chistov and Lupul, keep Lupul!!!

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

11-08-2003, 09:43 AM

I doubt Bryan Murray if offering Joffrey Lupul AND a pick. He drafted the guy, he gave up a pick to make sure Nashville didn't, the guy is our top rookie now, and he's a fan favorite. He is the future perrenial Rocket Richard contender for the Ducks. And this just isn't Murray's style. Maxin Balmochynk(sp?) is the only prospect he gave up so far, and he got a better one in return, Igor Pohanka. So why give up our future starting right wing to get a holdout center? This just doesn't seem like something the BM, arguably the best GM in the league, would offer

Hockey Duckie

11-08-2003, 09:51 AM

How about Comrie and Lupul on a line together instead. Chistov and Comrie are both very small by NHL standards. I dont see that working.

If we get to choose between keeping Chistov and Lupul, keep Lupul!!!

Do you how hard it is to find pure goal scorers?! Keep Lupul! Everyone's too darn pass happy or cute with skating. Chistov's got great moves and looks awesome, but Lupul is a more north-south type of player. He's got moves too, but they're north-south and aiming to score. He isn't waiting till the rest of the team catches up to him. He'll take the shot and the opponent all by himself.

Grrrr... Maybe Getzlaf showed a lot more promise and made Lupul expendable. I dunno... but wouldn't Comrie just increase our payroll? I can't keep with with the increases in parking, seats ( i love the 416 section and it was cheaper last year ), and shrinking food for the same price.

Randall Graves*

11-08-2003, 11:17 AM

Trading Lupul would be this franchises biggest mistake since trading Selanne for Friesen and Sheilds.

Comrie could probley end up being a top end player but Lupul could end up being that gritty physical force we need sure he's not big but he has alot of tenacity,throws hits and goes to the net....definitely 40 goal potential.

its tough for me to say Comrie is only 23 and has already had a 33 goal season but my concern like everyone elses is his size...if the Kings wanna give up Frolov to get him more power to them but Lupul is only 20 Chistovs only 20 Getzlaf is only 18 who could probley put out similar point production to Comrie.

If they'd take a combo of McDonald/Smirnov Vishnevski and MAYBE Bryz or a #1 then i'd consider it but I don't know if Edmonton would.

stalbert1

11-08-2003, 11:23 AM

Comrie vs Lupul is a tough call.

Comrie has already proven to be a good offensive NHL centre. But is he a good fit on a team which is pretty solid down the middle but a little weak on the wing? He has to play at least 2nd line to make use of his talent, so does Rucchin move over to the wing?

Lupul - could be a great scorer...or could be Pat Falloon. Seeing how he's been benched once already this season I think the Ducks are a bit unsure about his work ethic.

IGM

11-08-2003, 12:40 PM

I was reading this rumour over at Spectors and couldn't believe that you guys were going to give Lupul and players or picks for Comrie. I mean, Comrie is a very very good player and only 23 and would be an upgrade in toughness and consistancy for your top center (Letting Feds be the second line center, a position he is more accustomed to and also allowing you to spread your talent out) but I just couldn't see giving up on Lupul at this stage. Is Comrie the better player of the two? He sure is, at this point in their careers. I mean, I would be more apt to trade the talented Chistov for Comrie before Lupul. I still think that Lupul is going to be one of those guys who turn out like Shanahan before too long and that Chistov is going to be more of a Kozlov kind of guy. Both will be great players, I just like guys who play with grit and talent and skill and aren't afraid to shoot the puck. The Euro style (for the most part, not all obviously) is to look for the play that will give you the best chance to score where sometimes you just need to take the puck to the net and make it happen. I feel that Lupul is going to be one of those guys who will be a gamer that is going to make things happen by planting himself in the crease and putting the puck in. Chistov will certainly be the guy who makes the prettier plays and is equally valuable but if you had Comrie you would have a guy who not only would make the pretty plays but also give you some serious grit.

It would be another bad sign if you guys made this deal. As bad as it would if the Kings dealt Frolov for him.

McDonald19

11-08-2003, 01:35 PM

I mean, Comrie is a very very good player and only 23 and would be an upgrade in toughness and consistancy for your top center (Letting Feds be the second line center, a position he is more accustomed to and also allowing you to spread your talent out) but I just couldn't see giving up on Lupul at this stage.

Ha...Federov didn't come to Anaheim to be a second line center...Very doubtful that the organization would put Comrie ahead of Federov if Comrie were to become a Duck.

McDonald19

11-08-2003, 01:38 PM

[QUOTE=stalbert1]
Comrie has already proven to be a good offensive NHL centre. But is he a good fit on a team which is pretty solid down the middle but a little weak on the wing? He has to play at least 2nd line to make use of his talent, so does Rucchin move over to the wing?
QUOTE]

Rucchin has to stay at center. He is good on faceoffs and has the size to control the play through the middle of the ice and stop the other teams number 1 center. I dont think he would be as helpful on the wing.

McDonald19

11-08-2003, 01:42 PM

Trading Lupul would be this franchises biggest mistake since trading Selanne for Friesen and Sheilds.

Might be an even bigger mistake. Lupul is a kid with unlimited offensive upside, Selanne's career was starting to slow down. He was never going to have a 40 goal season again. He's been very quiet with Colorado so far as well.

I think there is something special about Lupul that makes him a player we need to keep. I will be frustrated if Murray trades Lupul for Comrie. :mad:

IGM

11-08-2003, 02:02 PM

I know why Fedorov came to Ana. The point is that HE is better suited to second line center than to the first. Over the past 9 years he has had one season where he has scored more than 70 points and while he does allot of other things that make him great, scoring like most top line centers in the league isn't one of them. His 70 points (close to) per season (with the exception of last year when suprisingly he was up for a new fat retirement deal) is more akin to what second line centers around the league will put up. But hey, if that is all that you want from your #1 center then it is fine with me. It will only keep you guys where I thought you would be. ;)

Comrie with his grit would give the Ducks are couple of really different looking lines. One that tends to play a more finess passing perimeter game and another (Lupul/Comrie/Mcd) to play an in your face hit you where it hurts and pick at you line.

I also think that the old school of thought where you have a "1st and a 2nd" line really doesn't apply anymore in todays game. It is more like who starts then it is a case of who is the teams go to line.

At the end of the year, when Fedorov has 70 points or so though, it will be interesting what Murray does to make certain that he has a true top of the line scoring center on his team.

Randall Graves*

11-08-2003, 02:22 PM

Rucchin has to stay at center. He is good on faceoffs and has the size to control the play through the middle of the ice and stop the other teams number 1 center. I dont think he would be as helpful on the wing.
Comrie could play on the Wing with Fedorov and Sykora thus moving Prospal to the 2nd to play with Niedermayer and Rucchin(Prospal is best suited for this line)

I think the Ducks should stand pat because if Niedermayer keeps producing we will have a logjam of top 6 forward types and i'd prefere we keep Lupul and Chistov together and rotate third line centers(McDonald,Pahlsson) the chemistry with the Leclerc-Rucchin-Niedermayer line is something very special especially if Mike can live up to his potential and it allows Prospal to be the guy on the first line that goes to the Corners digging for pucks.

if anything we should package a forward(McDonald,Leclerc,Chistov) and a defensemen or two(Vishnevski,Simpson,Havelid,Sauer) and go and pick up a guy to play with Carney who is a legit #1 or 2 defensemen like a Hamrlik or even Gauthier type.

I just don't think BM would do this for the fact that Lupul COULD be a guy the Ducks build around and have some great parts in two or three years with him like Sykora,Chistov,Getzlaf,McDonald,Niedermayer Leclerc Prospal and hopefully see Vish and Sauer develop more along with Popovic.

at this point I would only trade Lupul for Kovalchuk,Thornton or Nash.

McDonald19

11-08-2003, 02:51 PM

if anything we should package a forward(McDonald,Leclerc,Chistov) and a defensemen or two(Vishnevski,Simpson,Havelid,Sauer) and go and pick up a guy to play with Carney who is a legit #1 or 2 defensemen like a Hamrlik or even Gauthier type.

What do u want Gauthier for?

Kevin Forbes

11-08-2003, 06:42 PM

mentioned today on HNIC that Comrie and his agent have approached a couple teams looking to try to setup the framework of a contract, and then have that team pursue a trade,
Anaheim was one of the teams mentioned.

McDonald19

11-08-2003, 06:49 PM

If we make this trade and keep Lupul I'll be happy. Lupul had another good game tonight vs Phoenix.

Duckstudd269

11-08-2003, 06:59 PM

If we make this trade and keep Lupul I'll be happy. Lupul had another good game tonight vs Phoenix.

Agreed, if we traded Lupul, i would be very dissapointed in the ducks

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

11-08-2003, 07:05 PM

Duckstudd269

11-08-2003, 07:16 PM

If we get him for Vishnevski and Smirnov, I think we'd actually cut payroll on that one. He'll sign for a million, maybe with bonuses, while Vishnevski makes more than a million(I think) and Smirnov makes more than a million.

anything is fine with me, as long as we keep Lupul. Him and Getzlaf are the future for this team. they will be the stars of the ducks. chistov will be ok, but nothin compared to those 2. so i say trade anyone but Lupul and Getzlaf.

FacelessButcher

11-08-2003, 07:22 PM

anything is fine with me, as long as we keep Lupul. Him and Getzlaf are the future for this team. they will be the stars of the ducks. chistov will be ok, but nothin compared to those 2. so i say trade anyone but Lupul and Getzlaf.
Giguere for Comrie,deal. :joker: On my way to drop Comrie off :D

Duckstudd269

11-08-2003, 07:25 PM

Giguere for Comrie,deal. :joker: On my way to drop Comrie off :D

:joker: Haha

190Octane

11-08-2003, 07:33 PM

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

11-08-2003, 08:20 PM

Some of you people are so impatient. What you have to remember is that these are still kids and they'll take time to develop. Chistov and Smirnov are going to be very productive NHL players some day in the near future. Patience is needed in their development.

I don't think Comrie is necessary for our team. We already have two good centers and McDonald is a good 3rd liner.

Don't look now but Smirnov had a goal and two assists tonight and has 6 points in 3 games.

They're good, but we're good on prospects. Cincy is awesome this year, and we got two top-notch prospects from last year's draft. Smirnov is expendable. Same with Vish. Besides, both aren't fuffilling their potential. And if you say "They'll break out eventually. Just like of Big Bert did in Vancouver after the Isles traded him", it doesn't help your statement much, because Bert broke out BECAUSE he was traded to Vancouver. If Mad Mike didn't trade him, but instead kept him, he'd be nothing. Maybe getting a shot with Yashin because others aren't that good. Vish will always be a potential-filled, hard-hitting defenseman in Anaheim, but won't break out till the change of scenery. As for Smirnov, I think he'll benefit with a change of scenery as well. He hasn't made an impact as a Duck(Anaheim, that is) yet and I don't think he ever will.

Spankatola Jamnuts*

11-08-2003, 08:30 PM

I don't think Comrie is necessary for our team. We already have two good centers and McDonald is a good 3rd liner.

Yeah. We're doing fine without him.

Randall Graves*

11-08-2003, 10:20 PM

What do u want Gauthier for?
A physical pressence seeing as other then Simpson we don't have any big physical d-men and he's relatively young, he's on the trading block and this team could use a top 4 d-men preferably a top 2 which Gauthier is not.

hunter orange

11-08-2003, 10:42 PM

Curious to see if any Duck fans would be tempted by this blockbuster. Obviously, losing Lupul is the sticky issue with most of you. But the following deal could provide you with (arguably) the league's best enforcer -- something I think you could use.

To Edmonton:

Joffrey Lupul
Alexei Smirnov
Vitaly Vishnevsky

To Anaheim

Mike Comrie
Jani Rita/ Jason Chimera
Georges Laraque/ Alexei Mikhnov

Just for fun...thoughts?

Professor John Frink

11-08-2003, 11:03 PM

The bottom line in my mind is you have got to shake things up. This team is clearly not coming together as things were planned. If I am BM I am looking to deal a very well liked guy who brings it every night.

As much as I love him the name that comes to mind is McDonald. Babcock loves him as does the team, I think he is the logical choice to be shipped away to maybe wake these guys up.

If the deal is for Comrie, I offer Vish, McDonald and something to try and get it done. If it involves Lupul SMirnov or CHistov I don't think it is a smart move for the Ducks, surely you would be able to get some grit and scoring for the package just mentioned from another team.

McDonald19

11-08-2003, 11:08 PM

Randall Graves*

11-08-2003, 11:33 PM

The bottom line in my mind is you have got to shake things up. This team is clearly not coming together as things were planned. If I am BM I am looking to deal a very well liked guy who brings it every night.

Then Mike Comrie is NOT the answer,he is somewhat of a punk although very talented...you know i'd really like to see Adam Oates back, he was well liked,a leader,Babcock likes him and while he is not a big mean power forward he creates so many oppertunities...if i'm BM i'm on the phone with him trying to get a deal done...he can play on the wing he can play center and I think we could really use him at this point and alledgedly he is still living in Orange County.

If the deal is for Comrie, I offer Vish, McDonald and something to try and get it done. If it involves Lupul SMirnov or CHistov I don't think it is a smart move for the Ducks, surely you would be able to get some grit and scoring for the package just mentioned from another team.
Smirnov is expendable at times he shows no heart but I realize he is a power forward prospect...those types take ATLEAST 5 years to develop he's 6'5 and when he fills out he will be 225-230.

what about Vish and McDonald for Isbister and then re-signing Oates?

Heater15

11-09-2003, 04:51 AM

I was reading the Edmonton Sun and it says that Comrie has talked to 2 teams: Atlanta and Anaheim. It say "While (Rich) Winters won't confirm the players involved, the Sun has learned Anaheim GM Bryan Murray has offered Edmonton product Joffrey Lupul and a draft pick, while Philadelphia GM Bob Clarke has offered Lowe Michal Handzus and another player."

As for the other player the Sun says "Lowe is also believed to be interested in defencemen Jeff Woywitka and Dennis Seidenberg."

It only make sense that Edmonton in interested in Woywitka since he is from Vermillion which is an hour and a half (roughly) away from Edmonton.

The Sun also says Comrie is willing to sign for less the his $1.3 million US qualifying offer with any team that obtains him.

I also posted this on the Flyers board

This post has been merged into this thread

Jerky

190Octane

11-09-2003, 07:34 AM

If we really want Comrie that bad, just sign him.

190Octane

11-09-2003, 08:22 AM

Besides, as some people have pointed out (CFoB), we don't have the best record right now.

I don't believe that going out and making a knee jerk trade is the best way to solve that. I think the best way to solve our problems right now is to find line combinations that work (that don't include Pahlsson anywhere near the top 2 lines) and get a team defense mindset going. For as crappy as this team has been we're only or so points back from the pack right now and over a season that is definitely attainable.

With respect to Comrie.. he's a good player but I don't think he fits here. We have enough small players as it is and this team has notoriously had a problem of playing small. If it was Isbister on the block, I would be more inclined to give up something like Vish or Smirnov + change. For Comrie I don't think it's a good idea. (although if they asked for Vish and a 2nd or 3rd for Comrie I'd probably do it in a heartbeat). I don't think Comrie is worth giving up Lupul who could be a very productive player this year or next year.