Fedorov or Kariya??

Hi, I was just wondering if yall Ducks fans would rather have Fedorov or Kariya if you could have a pick between the two?

For me and my fellow Ducks fans know this.. it's
Kariya!!!

Well, Feds will probably get better as time goes on.....you hope...Just as soon as Sports Phsycologist Babcock figures out that maze of a head Feds has. The scary thing is, when the Ducks finally do get it together.......yikes. If Giggy ever gets it back the Ducks will probably win the Cup or at least come very close to it.

that's what i'm hoping is that the ducks get it together...
beware next year.. lol.. well unless they change things around again..

Even if the Ducks miss the playoffs, which is VERY unlikely, they still get a chance in the Ovechkin Sweepstakes.

Soya, I'd actually take Fedorov. Even before he joined the Ducks, I would've. Fedorov is big, unlike smallish Kariya, fast, good at faceoff, and he can set up well and score well. Sergei Fedorov is also twice the defensive player Kariya is.

Next year could be scary. If the Maloofs buy the Ducks, count on Kariya coming back to Anaheim, and maybe some other big FA, maybe a d-man. If Kariya comes back, maybe with Selanne, and Fedorov would still be here, that would be scary.

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Soya, I'd actually take Fedorov. Even before he joined the Ducks, I would've. Fedorov is big, unlike smallish Kariya, fast, good at faceoff, and he can set up well and score well. Sergei Fedorov is also twice the defensive player Kariya is.

Next year could be scary. If the Maloofs buy the Ducks, count on Kariya coming back to Anaheim, and maybe some other big FA, maybe a d-man. If Kariya comes back, maybe with Selanne, and Fedorov would still be here, that would be scary.


I would choose Kariya. He actually shoots the puck.

I disagree with all those saying Kariya's not good defensively. Anyone who saw last season would know that playing with Oates and Sykora last year he sat back a lot. From what I've seen this year, Fedorov isn't that great defensively.

Also, the disparity between Kariya's points last year and the rest of the team was pretty substantial. (of total points on total team scoring he was up ranked 5th in the league, up with Forsberg and Thornton and Palffy)

I doubt the Avs will let Kariya and Selanne go next year, assuming there even is a next year. They would both look really selfish if they left the Avs if the Avs gave them a good offer.

I doubt the Avs will let Kariya and Selanne go next year, assuming there even is a next year. They would both look really selfish if they left the Avs if the Avs gave them a good offer.

Yeah, really selfish to bail out on a team that made a good offer, eh? I knew Colorado fans would come around.

There were other reasons why Kariya left. I think he likes the Colorado style better-- laze off for the first 2 periods then work as hard as you can in the third and hope you can win.

I doubt the Avs will let Kariya and Selanne go next year, assuming there even is a next year. They would both look really selfish if they left the Avs if the Avs gave them a good offer.
well remember.. Kariya signed that low cuz of the CBa and didn't want to sign a long term contract with the Avs... after this year, he is free to go anywhere he wants...

For everything Federov can do I would pick him. Neither are physical but Federov still is more likely to throw a big hit or drop the gloves than Kariya is. 1st line center is more important position than 1st line winger as well.

I would choose Kariya. He actually shoots the puck.


Kariya hasn't been a big shooter for a couple years now. For all the things Sergei's done wrong so far, he IS shooting.

Offensively Kariya is probley better then Fedorov.

other then that Fedorov is better in every facet of the game...he's 10X the defensive player Kariya is and wins a ton of face offs...and unlike Kariya shows up for the playoffs(164 career playoff points)

Soya, I'd actually take Fedorov. Even before he joined the Ducks, I would've. Fedorov is big, unlike smallish Kariya, fast, good at faceoff, and he can set up well and score well. Sergei Fedorov is also twice the defensive player Kariya is.

Next year could be scary. If the Maloofs buy the Ducks, count on Kariya coming back to Anaheim, and maybe some other big FA, maybe a d-man. If Kariya comes back, maybe with Selanne, and Fedorov would still be here, that would be scary.
Selanne is done, and as far as I'm concerned Kariya isn't welcome back either.

I don't think I'd want Selanne back...He barely looks like a 20 goal scorer now...It's really sad to watch.

I don't really want Teemu either. Sykora's better by far at this point. The only thing is, Kariya's interested in coming back, and if the Maloofs are owners of the Ducks, they would bring him back to be 1st line rw. And, I'm pretty sure Kariya would want Selanne with him. Maybe not. I guess we'll see next year.

I don't really want Teemu either. Sykora's better by far at this point. The only thing is, Kariya's interested in coming back, and if the Maloofs are owners of the Ducks, they would bring him back to be 1st line rw. And, I'm pretty sure Kariya would want Selanne with him. Maybe not. I guess we'll see next year.

I dont think BM liked the way kariya left at all. He even expressed it. so i dont expect the ducks to bring him back. and selanne is way overpayed. his last couple of years havent been that great at all, and people are now just starting to realize t.

I doubt the Avs will let Kariya and Selanne go next year, assuming there even is a next year. They would both look really selfish if they left the Avs if the Avs gave them a good offer.
Hmm that sounds awfully familiar to me....i can't quite put my finger on it but it reminds me of something that happened this past off season. :rolly:

I'd take Warren Rychel over Kariya. At least he is a character guy :D

I dont think BM liked the way kariya left at all. He even expressed it. so i dont expect the ducks to bring him back. and selanne is way overpayed. his last couple of years havent been that great at all, and people are now just starting to realize t.
BM wouldn't really havea choice though.. If the Maloofs really wanted to bring Kariya back, then they will bring Kariya back...

BM wouldn't really havea choice though.. If the Maloofs really wanted to bring Kariya back, then they will bring Kariya back...

That's assuming: 1) the Maloffs do buy the Ducks and; 2) PK wants to come back. If PK's reasons for leaving are really are that he felt stiffled playing in Anaheim's system (but who the heck know's why he really left or stayed for that matter), then he wouldn't have an incentive for coming back because the system hasn't changed much. I personally believe PK burned a lot of bridges when he left.

The other thing is whether or not the CBA is worked out. If there is a work stoppage next year, who knows where PK will end up. I don't think TS will be playing because he has already said he will probably retire if there is no CBA, so the chances of TS coming back to Anaheim are probably very small and then there even less of an incentive for PK to come back also. If there is a CBA, then PK may resign with COL if the money is there (which could be the case if PF goes back to Sweden after this year).

I would rather have Kariya than Fedorov. I feel that Fedorov has been highly over rated and that between the two that Kariya will probably have more points and a better plus minus at the end of this season.

Pretty shotty way he left your team though.

That's assuming: 1) the Maloffs do buy the Ducks and; 2) PK wants to come back. If PK's reasons for leaving are really are that he felt stiffled playing in Anaheim's system (but who the heck know's why he really left or stayed for that matter), then he wouldn't have an incentive for coming back because the system hasn't changed much. I personally believe PK burned a lot of bridges when he left.

The other thing is whether or not the CBA is worked out. If there is a work stoppage next year, who knows where PK will end up. I don't think TS will be playing because he has already said he will probably retire if there is no CBA, so the chances of TS coming back to Anaheim are probably very small and then there even less of an incentive for PK to come back also. If there is a CBA, then PK may resign with COL if the money is there (which could be the case if PF goes back to Sweden after this year).
of course my answer was IF the Maloofs buy the Ducks.. and yes, from what i know he didn't like the style of play so who knows.. i have heard from people who have season tickets to the Ducks games taht he wants to come back next year... so we'll see what happens..

of course my answer was IF the Maloofs buy the Ducks.. and yes, from what i know he didn't like the style of play so who knows.. i have heard from people who have season tickets to the Ducks games taht he wants to come back next year... so we'll see what happens..

But where did they hear that from? What are their sources? Just because they have season tickets doesn't mean they have inside sources. My family had season tickets and weren't necessarily more informed than the other Ducks fans on these types of things.

Ticket reps seem to play pretty fast and loose with "rumors".

On Fedorov (http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=66240):

"We're willing to be patient as an organization with him. I just wish he would be willing to be patient with himself," Babcock said.

"Take the weight of the world off your back. Give it to me. That's my job. You just play."

Fedorov admits he didn't really expect it to be that hard to make the transition from 13 seasons with the Detroit Red Wings to his first in Anaheim. But he doesn't feel he has put too much pressure on himself.

"That's his comment. It's hard to say for me, honestly," Fedorov said. "I thought it would be a little easier. Some nights it's better than others.

"You have to work. You have to change some things as a player. That's what I've been doing."


He's sounds like a jerk every time he opens his mouth IMO.

Ticket reps seem to play pretty fast and loose with "rumors".


Or at least tell people whatever they want to hear in order to sell more seats. I've seen some of these ticket rep rumors on other boards, like a high profile trade with NJ, Steve Thomas will be back, etc., etc.,

If Captain Cardboard were still here, he'd be wilting even more than Feds. Last year was the first (and will probably be the ONLY) year Kariya ever played defense. Fedorov does it as a matter of course. If all he does is play defense and win faceoffs, Sergei is STILL better than Paul.

We're a team struggling to score goals, not because we don't have offensive talent, but because for the most part, that offensive talent is incapable of or unwilling to do the dirty work necessary to score goals. I don't see how Paul's trademark "skate down the wall and fire a slapshot with no screen" would be of any help in that regard.

Still, he is scoring more than Fedorov is and he is playing much better in his own end than the former selke winner. Kariya may not be great but he is fast.

On Fedorov (http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=66240):

"We're willing to be patient as an organization with him. I just wish he would be willing to be patient with himself," Babcock said.

"Take the weight of the world off your back. Give it to me. That's my job. You just play."

Fedorov admits he didn't really expect it to be that hard to make the transition from 13 seasons with the Detroit Red Wings to his first in Anaheim. But he doesn't feel he has put too much pressure on himself.

"That's his comment. It's hard to say for me, honestly," Fedorov said. "I thought it would be a little easier. Some nights it's better than others.

"You have to work. You have to change some things as a player. That's what I've been doing."


He's sounds like a jerk every time he opens his mouth IMO.

he's a jerk for being honest?I like his honesty and I don't really see where he "sounds" like a jerk, he says he's working to change his game and he says he's not putting all this pressure on himself like Babcock says he is...whats wrong with that?

Still, he is scoring more than Fedorov is and he is playing much better in his own end than the former selke winner. Kariya may not be great but he is fast.
uhhh how can you tell?Kariya hasn't even played for three weeks...by sitting on the bench he's been playing better defensively?and is scoring more?

Nice arguement you have there.

he's a jerk for being honest?I like his honesty and I don't really see where he "sounds" like a jerk, he says he's working to change his game and he says he's not putting all this pressure on himself like Babcock says he is...whats wrong with that?
No, just his demeanor. It doesn't seem to matter what the coach says, or what's expected of him. You also don't really get the feeling that losing bothers him that much.

Okay, in fairness to the little diving crybaby Kariya, let's compare stats from '94-'95 (Kariya's 1st year) to present. Fedorov's COMPLETE totals are in parenthesis.



GOALS

Fedorov - 250 (403) (Including the '97-'98 season Feds played 21 games yet still scored 10/10 20 pts. in the playoffs...)

Kariya - 303


ASSISTS

Fedorov - 343 (562)

Kariya - 371


POINTS

Fedorov - 593 (965)

Kariya - 674


Now, if we're comparing production, we should compare +/-, shouldn't we? I mean, kariya is such a great defensive player their numbers should be similar, right?


Fedorov - +270

Kariya - +51


Being a 'Wings fan that has had the pleasure of watching Feds for 13 years, I would take him in a heartbeat over that gutless diver Kariya.

Just keep watching, I don't think you guys realize what you really have in Fedorov - he's an amazing talent, albeit a bit flaky and moody.

I'd still take him back in a hot second, and wish he would have stayed and become captain after Yzerman retires.

Oh well.

uhhh how can you tell?Kariya hasn't even played for three weeks...by sitting on the bench he's been playing better defensively?and is scoring more?

Nice arguement you have there.
what i think he means is the fact that Kariya's games that he has played before being injured is like
3 goals
2 assists
5 points
and he did this playing 5 games...

For me and my fellow Ducks fans know this.. it's
Kariya!!!

You have to be kidding me.
Not a Ducks fan, but FEDOROV. No question.

what i think he means is the fact that Kariya's games that he has played before being injured is like
3 goals
2 assists
5 points
and he did this playing 5 games...

And if Feds was on a line with Selanne and Sakic he would have those same numbers and not be injured. He would also probably play the PK and have a shorty by now.

Fedorov is better defensively. He is bigger and more resilient. He has comparable offensive skills and can use his size to get past people.

Give him another month and you will forget how to spell Kariya.

Sergei Fedorov is the best playoff performer of his era. Better than Yzerman, than Forsberg, than Lidstrom, than Stevens, than anyone over the last decade.

On Fedorov (http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=66240):

"We're willing to be patient as an organization with him. I just wish he would be willing to be patient with himself," Babcock said.

"Take the weight of the world off your back. Give it to me. That's my job. You just play."

Fedorov admits he didn't really expect it to be that hard to make the transition from 13 seasons with the Detroit Red Wings to his first in Anaheim. But he doesn't feel he has put too much pressure on himself.

"That's his comment. It's hard to say for me, honestly," Fedorov said. "I thought it would be a little easier. Some nights it's better than others.

"You have to work. You have to change some things as a player. That's what I've been doing."


He's sounds like a jerk every time he opens his mouth IMO.

It depends how you read it. If you know how Sergei talks to cameras, you know know its just his honesty. He is being harder on himself than on his coaching. Essentially, what I read is him saying "he knows he has to change, he has been changing, its taking longer than he expected because he expects so much from himself."

I think a lot of people mis-interpret what he says. Eventually his performance on the ice will speak for itself.

Sergei Fedorov is the best playoff performer of his era. Better than Yzerman, than Forsberg, than Lidstrom, than Stevens, than anyone over the last decade.
Stat wise,yes yet has never won a Conn Smythe which has baffled me even though Vernon,Yzerman and Lidstrom were very deserving.

as for this Kariya vs Fedorov debate...Fedorovs all around game is one of the BEST in the game today and has been over the last 13 years. Kariya USED to be an offensive machine...then he became a one trick pony...skating up the left boards past the blue line taking a stride and taking a slap shot with no traffic in front of the net.

Fedorov has a much better arsenal and uses his body very well IMO.

It depends how you read it. If you know how Sergei talks to cameras, you know know its just his honesty. He is being harder on himself than on his coaching. Essentially, what I read is him saying "he knows he has to change, he has been changing, its taking longer than he expected because he expects so much from himself."

I think a lot of people mis-interpret what he says. Eventually his performance on the ice will speak for itself.

I read it like he's a jerk. I don't like Fedorov. Never have. His haughty manner and his frickin between-periods white beanie, what the hell is that?

I'm not terribly inclined to be charitable in any interpretation of anything he says.

But I'd take him over Kariya easily. I guess I should make that clear in the context of this thread.

Stat wise,yes yet has never won a Conn Smythe which has baffled me even though Vernon,Yzerman and Lidstrom were very deserving.

as for this Kariya vs Fedorov debate...Fedorovs all around game is one of the BEST in the game today and has been over the last 13 years. Kariya USED to be an offensive machine...then he became a one trick pony...skating up the left boards past the blue line taking a stride and taking a slap shot with no traffic in front of the net.

Fedorov has a much better arsenal and uses his body very well IMO.

Fedorov is the only guy on the Wings who could have been a legitimate Conn Smythe winner every time they won the Stanley Cup though. He was also routinely the best player the years they didn't win it, and always stepped up to lead the team during the big series (like the Colorado series in 2002).

Wow rallykiller. You have a very difficult time working within the confines of the actual, don't you. OF COURSE I am talking about WHEN PK is playing versus when Feds is playing and yes, I do happen to think that (this is the part you have left out) up to this point, PK has had allot more to offer than Fedorov. Your argument that is based on past performances has nothing to do with what I was posing so I won't bother to discuss that with you. Suffice it to say that I have my opinion on you have yours, the difference is that I am willing to talk about my opinion without being insulting where you seem to get all riled up if anyone doesn't agree with you. Soya hit what I was saying on the head and CFOB seemed to hit the way I see Fedorov right on the head as well. Is he a great player, I believe so, has he also been a massive pain in the butt in his career? I think so.

And if Feds was on a line with Selanne and Sakic he would have those same numbers and not be injured. He would also probably play the PK and have a shorty by now.

Fedorov is better defensively. He is bigger and more resilient. He has comparable offensive skills and can use his size to get past people.

Give him another month and you will forget how to spell Kariya.
well like a friend of mine pointed out.. regardless who you play with, if you are a good player, than you make the whole line good...
we argued becasue of: i like Chistov and he likes Hemsky..
Hemsky has 3 G 8 A 11 PTS
Chistov has 0 G 7 A 7 PTS

i argued that Chistov was on the 3rd and 4th line for awhile and Hemsky is on the 1st line, but oh well...

I agree that Feds is a better defensive player than Kariya.. you have to remember Kariya is an offensive player.. he never plays defense...
That's why i think Feds is a good match for the system that the Ducks play.. i still like Kariya and always will...
it's just my opinion...

Still, he is scoring more than Fedorov is and he is playing much better in his own end than the former selke winner. Kariya may not be great but he is fast.

And what, Fedorov is slow?

And what, Fedorov is slow?

yeah, he's only won the fastest skater competition how many times?

On Fedorov (http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=66240):

"We're willing to be patient as an organization with him. I just wish he would be willing to be patient with himself," Babcock said.

"Take the weight of the world off your back. Give it to me. That's my job. You just play."

Fedorov admits he didn't really expect it to be that hard to make the transition from 13 seasons with the Detroit Red Wings to his first in Anaheim. But he doesn't feel he has put too much pressure on himself.

"That's his comment. It's hard to say for me, honestly," Fedorov said. "I thought it would be a little easier. Some nights it's better than others.

"You have to work. You have to change some things as a player. That's what I've been doing."

Maybe I'm missing something, but I fail to see how this is being a jerk.

Fedorov is a good player. To be honest, I would probably have rather Kariya stay on the team and etc. But, I must say I like the group of players that are on the team now. I think the Ducks are a better team (at least on paper) this year than last year. I agree that Fedorov is a better fit for the system the Ducks play than Kariya and Selanne.

Also, if Kariya didn't want to play for the Ducks, it's just as well that he go elsewhere and the Ducks pursue other options. So in that respect, I'd rather have Fedorov.

He's sounds like a jerk every time he opens his mouth IMO.

Sergei Fedorov is the best playoff performer of his era. Better than Yzerman, than Forsberg, than Lidstrom, than Stevens, than anyone over the last decade.

That's a stretch. Here's some players that have been better:

Patrick Roy
Peter Forsberg
Scott Stevens
Martin Brodeur
Roman Cechmanek............psyche

On Fedorov (http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=66240):

"We're willing to be patient as an organization with him. I just wish he would be willing to be patient with himself," Babcock said.

"Take the weight of the world off your back. Give it to me. That's my job. You just play."

Fedorov admits he didn't really expect it to be that hard to make the transition from 13 seasons with the Detroit Red Wings to his first in Anaheim. But he doesn't feel he has put too much pressure on himself.

"That's his comment. It's hard to say for me, honestly," Fedorov said. "I thought it would be a little easier. Some nights it's better than others.

"You have to work. You have to change some things as a player. That's what I've been doing."
He's sounds like a jerk every time he opens his mouth IMO.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I fail to see how this is being a jerk.

Fedorov is a good player. To be honest, I would probably have rather Kariya stay on the team and etc. But, I must say I like the group of players that are on the team now. I think the Ducks are a better team (at least on paper) this year than last year. I agree that Fedorov is a better fit for the system the Ducks play than Kariya and Selanne.

Also, if Kariya didn't want to play for the Ducks, it's just as well that he go elsewhere and the Ducks pursue other options. So in that respect, I'd rather have Fedorov.

Sergei Fedorov is the best playoff performer of his era. Better than Yzerman, than Forsberg, than Lidstrom, than Stevens, than anyone over the last decade.

That's a stretch. Here's some players that have been better:

Patrick Roy
Peter Forsberg
Scott Stevens
Martin Brodeur
Roman Cechmanek............psyche

Maybe I'm missing something, but I fail to see how this is being a jerk.

Shut up, jerk.

Kariya.

Shut up, jerk.

WTH? Who pissed in your Wheaties?

I was kidding.

Wow rallykiller. You have a very difficult time working within the confines of the actual, don't you. OF COURSE I am talking about WHEN PK is playing versus when Feds is playing and yes, I do happen to think that (this is the part you have left out) up to this point, PK has had allot more to offer than Fedorov.

I said How can Kariya be playing better when he's been on IR? and better defensively then FEDOROV :lol:

Your argument that is based on past performances has nothing to do with what I was posing so I won't bother to discuss that with you. Suffice it to say that I have my opinion on you have yours, the difference is that I am willing to talk about my opinion without being insulting where you seem to get all riled up if anyone doesn't agree with you. Soya hit what I was saying on the head and CFOB seemed to hit the way I see Fedorov right on the head as well. Is he a great player, I believe so, has he also been a massive pain in the butt in his career? I think so.
What the **** are you talking about, Kariya hasn't been a saint either FYI.

That's a stretch. Here's some players that have been better:

Patrick Roy
Peter Forsberg
Scott Stevens
Martin Brodeur
Roman Cechmanek............psyche
Fedorov has more playoff points then anybody since he entered the NHL I think that was his point.

WTH? Who pissed in your Wheaties?
hey lux.. you know how boogs is.. don't take it personal.. someone jsut needs to pull that booger out of his nose and then he will calm down.. ;)
hey should i start another thread for our next game??
anyone going to the Ducks/Avs game?? December 19th.. mark your calenders...

hands down - Fedorov

I read it like he's a jerk. I don't like Fedorov. Never have. His haughty manner and his frickin between-periods white beanie, what the hell is that?

I'm not terribly inclined to be charitable in any interpretation of anything he says.

But I'd take him over Kariya easily. I guess I should make that clear in the context of this thread.

Happy thoughts, Booger, happy thoughts!

Fedorov has more playoff points then anybody since he entered the NHL I think that was his point.

Of the 4 players I listed, only one (Forsberg) should be judged on the basis of points.

And yes, Booger, you got me.

hey lux.. you know how boogs is.. don't take it personal.. someone jsut needs to pull that booger out of his nose and then he will calm down.. ;)
hey should i start another thread for our next game??
anyone going to the Ducks/Avs game?? December 19th.. mark your calenders...
I was calm. I was kidding. The whole "interpreting benign things as jerkiness" angle. I'm super funny.

I am new here and visit most of the teams boards and so take my opinion with a grain of salt but with the exception of a very few of you regulars there are a number of very sensitive and thick posters here.

ee hee hee