Ortiz out w/ irregular heartbeat

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14564174/

while i would never cheer something like this, and still feel ortiz is the league mvp, as a yankee fan, i can say, even if he comes back. the sox are done. bring on the playoffs.

pertinent to yankee fans.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14564174/

while i would never cheer something like this, and still feel ortiz is the league mvp, as a yankee fan, i can say, even if he comes back. the sox are done. bring on the playoffs.

Gotta be from the steroids he's been doing. HGH is undetectable from what I've heard, and the most dangerous of all of the steroids. Football fans might remember Brian Pillman of the Cincy Bengals who went onto become a wrestler... he died of an overdose of drugs and steroids. People that knew him knew he was doing HGH and too much of it combined with any sort or amount of hard drugs is a fatal combination. Back to Ortiz... if you've ever seen his rookie card or pictures of him early on in his career in Minnesota, you'll notice that he's a twig. Giambi had the same symptoms last season from doing roids. First it was an irregular heartbeat, then it was the sickness, and then the benign tumors. This guy comes out of nowhere to all of a sudden start hitting monstrous amounts of homeruns? Anyone remember Luis Gonzalez? Hit 31 homeruns back in 2000 for Arizona, and then all of sudden hits 50 and almost wins the 01 Triple Crown. He hasn't hit over 30 homeruns since.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/unsound_thinking/bigjuiceheadbefore.jpg

Don't be fooled by the surname, you can look up the name "David Arias" at http://www.baseball-reference.comand not find a damn thing. It's David Ortiz alright. I wonder why he changed his surname as well, now that I look at it... Too many of these "out of left field" - I know, terrible pun - guys hitting homeruns. Someone give this guy a drug test.

wouldnt surprise me.

what about brady anderson, didnt he hit like 50 homers out of the leadoff spot, then never hit more then 15 ever again?

Is everyone's success attributed to steroids now? Are all athletes supposed to stay the same size their whole career? They're not supposed to put on any weight or muscle during their career? Are they not allowed to take advice that could make them a better hitter? Because we all know that different offensive strategies ("small ball" vs "long ball") have no affect on stats. I don't know if Ortiz has done steroids so I can't say if he's innocent or guilty. It's just funny going on message boards and reading these arguments where any type of success/improvement is impossible without steroids. Ortiz is in what is generally considered the prime years of his career so he's having the big numbers when he should. It's not like some other guys who are putting up their best stats when they should be on the decline. Or maybe I'm just in the minority now and consider people innocent until proven guilty. :dunno:

Is everyone's success attributed to steroids now? Are all athletes supposed to stay the same size their whole career? They're not supposed to put on any weight or muscle during their career? Are they not allowed to take advice that could make them a better hitter? Because we all know that different offensive strategies ("small ball" vs "long ball") have no affect on stats. I don't know if Ortiz has done steroids so I can't say if he's innocent or guilty. It's just funny going on message boards and reading these arguments where any type of success/improvement is impossible without steroids. Ortiz is in what is generally considered the prime years of his career so he's having the big numbers when he should. It's not like some other guys who are putting up their best stats when they should be on the decline. Or maybe I'm just in the minority now and consider people innocent until proven guilty. :dunno:

I think it's more a case of once someone starts showing symptoms of steroids then people begin to attribute past feats to them. Anyone who will have something, irregular heartbeat in this case, to what Giambi had during that season will get them a ticket to the stroid group. I myself don't know whether it's true or not and won't be making any judgements based on a small thing such as an irregular heartbeat.

I doubt he's on roids.

Anyone remember Luis Gonzalez? Hit 31 homeruns back in 2000 for Arizona, and then all of sudden hits 50 and almost wins the 01 Triple Crown. He hasn't hit over 30 homeruns since.
Which is nothing like what Ortiz has done.

Here's the difference between Ortiz and Giambi: Giambi got huge muscles overnight, Ortiz got fat over the course of about 3 to 5 years.

Hopefully Big Papi's heart is irregular because he is allergic to Yankee Stadium, causing him to never set foot there again ;)

Here's the difference between Ortiz and Giambi: Giambi got huge muscles overnight, Ortiz got fat over the course of about 3 to 5 years.
"All they are going to find is a lot of rice and beans." - Ortiz on steroid testing.

Hopefully Big Papi's heart is irregular because he is allergic to Yankee Stadium, causing him to never set foot there again ;)
Wouldn't surprise me if he caught something there. :D Good thing they're building a new one.

Hope Ortiz is alright. That's scary stuff.

He'll be fine, he's not on steroids, and nothing like Brian Pillman.

Gotta be from the steroids he's been doing.

show me the positive test, sir. he must have tested positive if you're going to use that language.

HGH is undetectable from what I've heard, and the most dangerous of all of the steroids. Football fans might remember Brian Pillman of the Cincy Bengals who went onto become a wrestler... he died of an overdose of drugs and steroids.

no, pillman died of arteriosclerotic heart disease. the numerous drugs and gas he did in his playing days might have led to his early death, but the official reason was arteriosclerotic heart disease.

People that knew him knew he was doing HGH

show me those quotes. all signs pointed to pillman straightening his life up.

Back to Ortiz... if you've ever seen his rookie card or pictures of him early on in his career in Minnesota, you'll notice that he's a twig.

ripken put on weight during his career as well. was he on steroids? what about dennis eckersley? how about we'll assume that any and all players who add weight during their careers are on steroids! tests?! we don't need no stinkin' tests!

Giambi had the same symptoms last season from doing roids. First it was an irregular heartbeat, then it was the sickness, and then the benign tumors.

i'm a red sox fan and i can't remember the last time that ortiz missed stretches of time for injuries (usually a tell-tale sign that a guy is on something). he's been one of the most durable players (alright, he's a dh, but he doesn't miss games very often...he'll get a day off for rest...oh and he took a day off when his son was born) of the last few seasons. and i've never heard of ortiz having "tumors" and long illnesses. so, find another connection.

This guy comes out of nowhere to all of a sudden start hitting monstrous amounts of homeruns? Anyone remember Luis Gonzalez? Hit 31 homeruns back in 2000 for Arizona, and then all of sudden hits 50 and almost wins the 01 Triple Crown. He hasn't hit over 30 homeruns since.

ortiz was told by tom kelly (former twinkies manager) to hit to the opposite field more and not try to hit as many homers. they even went as far as to mess with his stance so as to make him more susceptable to the up-and-in pitch on his hands, as they wanted him to knock those pitches into left field for doubles. yeah, they took the bat out of his hands, essentially. he came to boston, jackson realigned his stance and the rest is history. it's not the first time that a player went from one team to another and looked like a complete different player. it happens with pitchers all the time. does that mean that greg maddux is on steroids? i mean, he went from the cubs to the braves and is widely considered one of the best control pitchers ever. must mean steroids right? can't be coaching.

Don't be fooled by the surname, you can look up the name "David Arias" at http://www.baseball-reference.comand not find a damn thing. It's David Ortiz alright. I wonder why he changed his surname as well, now that I look at it... Too many of these "out of left field" - I know, terrible pun - guys hitting homeruns. Someone give this guy a drug test.

he dropped his mother's name when he went to the twins. maybe he wanted to be more american? (it's not an uncommon thing for latinos to have their mother's names). either way, because he changed his name he's on steroids? unless his former name was roid mchghlover, that theory goes nowhere.

heart problems are related to steroids. but you went from irregular heartbeat, which can be caused by a lot of things right to steroids. without knowing the facts, you know nothing. until something concrete comes out, i suggest you shut your mouth.

Gotta be from the steroids he's been doing. HGH is undetectable from what I've heard, and the most dangerous of all of the steroids. Football fans might remember Brian Pillman of the Cincy Bengals who went onto become a wrestler... he died of an overdose of drugs and steroids. People that knew him knew he was doing HGH and too much of it combined with any sort or amount of hard drugs is a fatal combination. Back to Ortiz... if you've ever seen his rookie card or pictures of him early on in his career in Minnesota, you'll notice that he's a twig. Giambi had the same symptoms last season from doing roids. First it was an irregular heartbeat, then it was the sickness, and then the benign tumors. This guy comes out of nowhere to all of a sudden start hitting monstrous amounts of homeruns? Anyone remember Luis Gonzalez? Hit 31 homeruns back in 2000 for Arizona, and then all of sudden hits 50 and almost wins the 01 Triple Crown. He hasn't hit over 30 homeruns since.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/unsound_thinking/bigjuiceheadbefore.jpg

Don't be fooled by the surname, you can look up the name "David Arias" at http://www.baseball-reference.comand not find a damn thing. It's David Ortiz alright. I wonder why he changed his surname as well, now that I look at it... Too many of these "out of left field" - I know, terrible pun - guys hitting homeruns. Someone give this guy a drug test.

I was going to list how wrong you were in every respect, but it seems others have beat me to it. Sad to see comments/unfounded accusations like yours.

If you don't think Ortiz hasn't been tested by now you'd be kidding yourselfs. Listen, we can call this random all we want, I'm sure the high profile stars were among the first tested, aside from the usual suspects, only because baseball doesn't want to make this look like a witchhunt

Damn, there goes my chances at winning my fatasy baseball league :sarcasm:

But seriously, I hope he's able to continue playing this year, a heart condition is serious can could spell the end of his season (if not his career if it's life threatening...). Not that I'm a Boston fan, but you'd hate to see an MVP player like Ortiz lose his season and potentially his career, so I really hope Boston errs on the side of caution, and doesn't rush him back...

Hopefully Big Papi's heart is irregular because he is allergic to Yankee Stadium, causing him to never set foot there again ;)

small sample size from this season @ yankee stadium:

6 games
ops- .1010
hr- 2
rbi- 4

i will try to find career stats if you like...

small sample size from this season @ yankee stadium:

6 games
ops- .1010
hr- 2
rbi- 4

i will try to find career stats if you like...

39 Games
AB - 154
BA - .325
OPS - 1.029
RBI - 25
HR - 13

39 Games
AB - 154
BA - .325
OPS - 1.029
RBI - 25
HR - 13

where'd you find your stats?

I doubt the fat slob is on steriods.

Here's the difference between Ortiz and Giambi: Giambi got huge muscles overnight, Ortiz got fat over the course of about 3 to 5 years.

Hopefully Big Papi's heart is irregular because he is allergic to Yankee Stadium, causing him to never set foot there again ;)Does it matter? They are going to take a wrecking ball to Yankee Stadium. The "House that Ruth Built" will cease to exist.

I doubt the fat slob is on steriods.

:shakehead

pertinent to yankee fans.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14564174/

while i would never cheer something like this, and still feel ortiz is the league mvp, as a yankee fan, i can say, even if he comes back. the sox are done. bring on the playoffs.

Yankees fan here, but good luck to Ortiz. I'm sure he will be fine since he's got some of the best doctors in the world.

But let's be honest..this does not affect the current pennant races very much. Even if he was healthy, he has nobody in the lineup with half the heart he does and now that Ramirez and Pena are out indefinitely, the Sox are just about finished.

It's just another kick in the crotch for the Sox at the moment...between this, the injury bug expanding daily almost, they've pretty much kissed any chance at the playoffs goodbye, IMO (I just don't see them catching Minnesota, the White Sox, or even the Angels at this rate).

Rough news, though, and not something you wish on anyone. Hope Big Papi gets better soon.

Does it matter? They are going to take a wrecking ball to Yankee Stadium. The "House that Ruth Built" will cease to exist.

Actually, they're not knocking it down. It will remain as a high school and college field.

there goes the MVP

small sample size from this season @ yankee stadium:

6 games
ops- .1010
hr- 2
rbi- 4

i will try to find career stats if you like...

I don't think King Henry I was saying that Ortiz is terrible at the Stadium. I interpreted it as more of a compliment to the fact that Yankee fans dread his AB's. I am very happy to see the Red Sox seven and a half back, and decimated by injuries- but hope Ortiz is alright. Nice to see the Red Sox cannot fight through the injury bug like their bitter rivals did so well this season!

If Ortiz is on roids then look at Jim THome...he was this skrawny 3B now 10 yrs later hes like 250
That said i dont think either are on the stuff

oh and to hopefully close this story:

http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_242074820.html

(CBS4) BOSTON The Boston Herald is reporting that Red Sox slugger David Ortiz has been released from Massachusetts General Hospital after undergoing tests for his irregular heartbeat. Ortiz checked into the hospital Tuesday night after returning from Oakland.

According to the report, Ortiz' heart appears to be healthy and he may be on the field as early as next week.

Ortiz was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation.

what?! but...but...gretznyr99 said that it was definitely steroids!!! how can a faceless person on a message board be wrong!?!?!

Ortiz experienced palpitations before the start of Monday night's game in Oakland. Ortiz was admitted to the hospital Tuesday night after he flew cross-country in John Henry's private jet.

...shooting steroids the entire way so he could be a hulking mass when he got to the hospital.

Manager Terry Francona says Ortiz won't play again until he gets a clean bill of health.

Ortiz was hospitalized the night of Aug. 19 after experiencing dehydration and stress. He checked out the next morning, given a clean bill of health by physicians at Mass General, and played on Aug. 20 against the Yankees.

According to the American Heart Association, during atrial fibrillation, the heart's two small upper chambers (the atria) quiver instead of beating effectively. Blood isn't pumped completely out of them, so it may pool and clot. Atrial fibrillation is a disorder found in about 2.2 million Americans.

For more information on atrial fibrillation log onto www.americanheart.org.

in short, nyrgretz:

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dinner is served. maybe next time you'll think before mislabeling someone.

there goes the MVP

Well, Jeter was going to win it anyways...

Well, Jeter was going to win it anyways...
HAHAHAHAHAHHA no.

Hafner and Dye are still much more deserving than Jeter. Ortiz will probably be back by Monday, so he still had a chance.

HAHAHAHAHAHHA no.

Hafner and Dye are still much more deserving than Jeter. Ortiz will probably be back by Monday, so he still had a chance.

Ortiz has no chance, the Sox won't make the playoffs. Hafner and Dye are in the run, but, IMO, Jeter is the front runner.

Ortiz has no chance, the Sox won't make the playoffs. Hafner and Dye are in the run, but, IMO, Jeter is the front runner.

I think if the white sox win the wildcard, or even take the division, then Dye deserves it. Hafner does not because Cleveland is not, and has not been, in contention for quite a while now. Unlike Alex Rodriguez in 2003, Hafner is not easily the best player in the AL. He may be the best, but Manny Ramirez is right behind him.

Ortiz has no chance, the Sox won't make the playoffs. Hafner and Dye are in the run, but, IMO, Jeter is the front runner.
Ortiz has no chance because the Sox won't make the playoffs, but you think Hafner is in the race. :dunno:

i've never bought the "his team is out of contention, so he's not in the race for most valuable" argument. hafner's numbers are absolutely incredible. what's going to stall his chances at mvp isn't that he plays for a non-contender, but that he's a dh.

i think that in the next three years, ortiz or hafner are going to put up numbers that are better than any position player's and the doddering voters are going to have to vote one of them mvp.

i've never bought the "his team is out of contention, so he's not in the race for most valuable" argument. hafner's numbers are absolutely incredible. what's going to stall his chances at mvp isn't that he plays for a non-contender, but that he's a dh.

i think that in the next three years, ortiz or hafner are going to put up numbers that are better than any position player's and the doddering voters are going to have to vote one of them mvp.

Ortiz won't be able to play long or he'll finish like Jiri Fischer. I don't wish him that, he is a really good person and a great player, but heart conditions are not to be taken lightly...

Ortiz won't be able to play long or he'll finish like Jiri Fischer. I don't wish him that, he is a really good person and a great player, but heart conditions are not to be taken lightly...

good thing the red sox aren't realistically in the playoff picture. he'll likely get rest over the off-season and see numerous doctors before being let on the field in fort myers next spring.

i think they're bringing ortiz back so quickly as kind of a pr thing. the team isn't playing well right now and they want to give the fans something to be happy for.

Get well soon big papi :bow:

also any one else like big papi hat yesterday in that interview it was like a bulldog mad out of diamonds:dunno:

Actually, they're not knocking it down. It will remain as a high school and college field.They need a 56,000 seat stadium for high school and college baseball?

I would be sad as a baseball fan to see Yankee Stadium be destroyed, but I would take some pleasure in it as a Red Sox supporter. I am disappointed in the design. The lower portion looks great, like it is out of the 1920's. However, the top looks like 1970's garbage to me. Here are the three versions of Yankee Stadium:

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/Stadiums/MLB/Images/Yankee_Stadium4.jpg
A drawing of Yankee Stadium I, 1923-1973

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t039/T039524A.jsm
Yankee Stadium II, 1976-2008

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-06/18038408.jpg
Yankee Stadium III, 2009-... whenever the team moves to Albuquerque, NM

i've never seen a game in yankee stadium. looks like we're going to have to plan a trip to ny in the next few years.

yankee fans, what games don't sell out usually? devil rays, orioles, mariners, royals, etc.? am i missing any?

i've never seen a game in yankee stadium. looks like we're going to have to plan a trip to ny in the next few years.

yankee fans, what games don't sell out usually? devil rays, orioles, mariners, royals, etc.? am i missing any?

the Royals sel out every where they go, what are ya talking about:sarcasm:

Ortiz targets Tuesday return (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2572058), from espn.com.

i've never seen a game in yankee stadium. looks like we're going to have to plan a trip to ny in the next few years.

yankee fans, what games don't sell out usually? devil rays, orioles, mariners, royals, etc.? am i missing any?I just checked ticketmaster.com, and I could get four $70 tickets (pretty good seats off of 3B) for the Devil Rays game. If you plan far enough ahead next year, you can get good seats to most games beyond the Mets and Red Sox.

I also looked for one single ticket to a Red Sox game, and there was not even one available. I was able to find four $40 (lower section of the upper deck down the OF lines) tickets to an upcoming game against the Blue Jays. It's not like Fenway Park, which sells all seats before the regular season even begins, because Yankee Stadium is much bigger. That might change because there will only be two more seasons at the current Yankee Stadium.