AL and NL ROY's

Bruinaholic
09-10-2006, 03:05 PM
This is one of the more interesting awards this year..
We all know the AL has Verlander-Papelbon-Liriano and Weaver vying for it but who do you think will take it from the NL.
THe only guys i can think of off the top of my head are like 5 guys on the Marlins(Josh Johnson,Hanley Ramirez,Scott Olsen,Anibal Sanchez,DAn Uggla) and Brian Mccann of ATL.
If i had to choose right now id go with Verlander and Mcann.
Mcann .332 19hrs 70+rbi from a prime position,any one of those Marlins(especailly Ramirez and Johnson) deserve it but w/ 5 contenders from 1 team vying for the award will take away from each individual IMHO

13Hockey
09-10-2006, 03:41 PM
AL Verlander
NL Hanley Ramirez

Blades of Glory
09-10-2006, 03:51 PM
Matt Cain should get some love in the NL. He has the 2nd lowest opponent's batting average (BAA) in the ENTIRE NL, at .213.

robert terwilliger
09-10-2006, 03:52 PM
al- i'd go with verlander.

nl- i'll agree with the matt cain vote.

KesselBuiltMyHotrod
09-10-2006, 04:18 PM
Papelbon and Han-Ram.


McCann's not a rookie.

Bruinaholic
09-10-2006, 04:33 PM
Papelbon and Han-Ram.


McCann's not a rookie.
I saw that he appeared in 59 games last year,what is the cutoff?
If hes not then id go w/ Hanley Ramirez...hes gonna be a 25-30hr 50sb for the next 12 years

mug3n
09-10-2006, 05:40 PM
I saw that he appeared in 59 games last year,what is the cutoff?
If hes not then id go w/ Hanley Ramirez...hes gonna be a 25-30hr 50sb for the next 12 years
To be considered a rookie...
* Fewer than 130 at bats and 50 innings pitched in the major leagues or
* Fewer than 45 days on the active rosters of major league clubs (excluding time on the disabled list or any time after rosters are expanded on September 1)

McCann definitely had more than 130 ABs.

Papelbon and Hanley for me.

David Puddy
09-10-2006, 10:58 PM
I would have to go with Jonathan Paplebon over 0.92 ERA, 35 SV, 75 SO, 13 BB, 40 H in 68 1/3 IP.)

I will go with Dan Uggla in the N.L. He has a higher SLG and OPS than Hanley Ramirez. Uggla also has 84 RBIs to go along with 95 runs.

Jaysfanatic*
09-10-2006, 11:16 PM
Roy Oswalt- NL
Roy Halladay- AL

(You know you're getting old when your jokes are as lame as your parents would be)

NYYmt62
09-11-2006, 12:21 AM
Roy Oswalt- NL
Roy Halladay- AL

(You know you're getting old when your jokes are as lame as your parents would be)

LOL... I guess they changed the games played requirements for rookies?

Fish on The Sand
09-11-2006, 03:20 AM
Roy Oswalt- NL
Roy Halladay- AL

(You know you're getting old when your jokes are as lame as your parents would be)

took me a second to get it.

Fish on The Sand
09-11-2006, 03:21 AM
LOL... I guess they changed the games played requirements for rookies?

don't you get it? Halladay and Oswalt are the Al/NL ROY's. Get it. ROY

God Bless Canada
09-11-2006, 11:05 AM
If Liriano was healthy, this wouldn't even be a contest. He'll get a lot of votes anyways, because of his two-and-a-half month dominance. But my pick would be Verlander. There's definitely a bumper crop of rookie pitchers in the AL this year.

A name that hasn't been mentioned yet in the National League: Jeff Zimmerman of the Washington Nationals. He has 96 RBI, and barring injury/complete disappearing act, will eclipse 100 RBI. I believe Pujols was the last rookie to reach 100 RBI. Even more impressive is that Zimmerman was drafted last year; he's not some mid-20s player who finally figured out what it takes to succeed in baseball. Don't know if it's enough to overcome one of Florida's fab freshmen, but Zimmerman definitely deserves suport.

Patty Ice
09-11-2006, 12:13 PM
AL: Jonathan Papelbon
NL: Florida Marlins

Bruinaholic
09-11-2006, 12:33 PM
If Liriano was healthy, this wouldn't even be a contest. He'll get a lot of votes anyways, because of his two-and-a-half month dominance. But my pick would be Verlander. There's definitely a bumper crop of rookie pitchers in the AL this year.

A name that hasn't been mentioned yet in the National League: Jeff Zimmerman of the Washington Nationals. He has 96 RBI, and barring injury/complete disappearing act, will eclipse 100 RBI. I believe Pujols was the last rookie to reach 100 RBI. Even more impressive is that Zimmerman was drafted last year; he's not some mid-20s player who finally figured out what it takes to succeed in baseball. Don't know if it's enough to overcome one of Florida's fab freshmen, but Zimmerman definitely deserves suport.

Zimmerman is the next elite 3men and imo will be better then Rolen,A.Ramirez and E.Chavez....hard to believe he was just drafted in June 05:amazed:

The Man in White
09-11-2006, 01:31 PM
AL - Verlander
NL - Just give it to the Marlins.

SingnBluesOnBroadway
09-11-2006, 01:52 PM
Verlander and Uggla.

BuppY
09-11-2006, 05:46 PM
AL Verlander
NL Hanley Ramirez

My Picks.

acr*
09-11-2006, 05:57 PM
AL is Papelbon by far
NL probably Hanley

KH1
09-11-2006, 06:00 PM
AL: Verlander
NL: Uggla

advantage2006
09-16-2006, 12:59 PM
Verlander and Zimmerman

13Hockey
09-16-2006, 01:21 PM
Verlander and Zimmerman

Verlander has struggled latley and zimmerman is on the fricking nationals even though he's having a good year i think the NL ROY is definally going to hanley this kid can do it all and will be a 300 hitter with 20 HR and 50 SB his whole career for the AL got to give it to Pap even with his injury his era is .92 that ridiculous

naihlflames
09-16-2006, 09:11 PM
Verlander has struggled latley and zimmerman is on the fricking nationals even though he's having a good year i think the NL ROY is definally going to hanley this kid can do it all and will be a 300 hitter with 20 HR and 50 SB his whole career for the AL got to give it to Pap even with his injury his era is .92 that ridiculous

I gotta go Verlander in the AL. He's been a horse. It's been a 3 way race and he is the only one ending the season healthy. Why do I say he's been a horse? He has pitched 176 innings so far and the next closest AL rookie is 125. He has 16 wins, the next closest AL rookie has 12. With his 16 wins (so far) only 4 other pitchers in all of the AL have more wins. His 3.26 era is top 10 in the AL among starters and is only .06 behind Halladay at 3.20 who has been mentioned as a Cy Young candidate.

HVPOLARBEARS19
09-17-2006, 04:04 PM
Zimmerman from the Nats not getting any love?

David Puddy
09-17-2006, 04:48 PM
I will still go with Jonathan Papelbon in the A.L. unless Justin Verlander wins his last three starts in dominating fashion. A case can be made that Papelbon is the best relief pitcher in the A.L. this year with his 0.92 ERA, 75 SO in 68 1/3 IP and 36 saves.

Verlander has struggled latley and zimmerman is on the fricking nationals even though he's having a good year i think the NL ROY is definally going to hanley this kid can do it all and will be a 300 hitter with 20 HR and 50 SB his whole career for the AL got to give it to Pap even with his injury his era is .92 that ridiculous"Will be" is all fine and good. However, what one does in his rookie year is what should win the award.

Dan Uggla has a higher OPS than Hanley Ramirez, and Uggla has 89 RBIs to go with his 103 runs scored and 26 HR.

robert terwilliger
09-17-2006, 04:50 PM
Dan Uggla has a higher OPS than Hanley Ramirez, and Uggla has 89 RBIs to go with his 103 runs scored and 26 HR.

i think matt cain is a better player than both of them.

13Hockey
09-21-2006, 06:49 PM
What about Anibal Sanchez does anyone thing he has a shot at rookie of the year he has now pitched a 105+ innings and has a 2.82 ERA and a no hitter this year

David Puddy
09-24-2006, 08:03 AM
What about Anibal Sanchez does anyone thing he has a shot at rookie of the year he has now pitched a 105+ innings and has a 2.82 ERA and a no hitter this yearI don't think that he has had enough work.

KesselBuiltMyHotrod
09-24-2006, 10:11 AM
For pitchers, Cain and Johnson deserve it over Anibal. But Hanley's really pulled away from the pack lately.

David Puddy
09-24-2006, 12:16 PM
For pitchers, Cain and Johnson deserve it over Anibal. But Hanley's really pulled away from the pack lately.How has Hanley pulled away from the pack lately?

I see the National League as having quite a few worthy candidates.

Dan Uggla still has a higher OPS than Hanley Ramirez, .829 to .814. Hanley also only has 11 more runs scored than Uggla, 114 to 103, and Uggla has 43 more RBIs, 89 to 56. Florida's Josh Willingham also has a higher OPS than both of his teammates, .957, but his production numbers don't stack up, 73 RBIs and 59 runs scored.

Ryan Zimmerman of Washington has 100 RBIs along with his .810 OPS, and Prince Fielder has an OPS of .834 to go along with his

Matt Cain lost his last start and is now 13-10 with an ERA of 3.99 and 168 K's. Florida's Josh Johnson (12-7 3.10 ERA - needs 4 1/3 inning to qualify for ERA ranking) and Scott Olsen has a 12-8 record with a 3.87 ERA and 156 strikeouts is a little impressive to me.

If you throw Anibal Sanchez into the discussion with his 8-3 record and 2.80 ERA, the Marlins have four position players and three pitchers that are having fine rookie campaigns.

It would almost be a crime if a Florida Marlin didn't win the N.L. Rookie of the Year.

In the American League, I think it is a two-pitcher race between Boston's Jonathan Papelbon, who has the arguably the best numbers amongst all relief pitchers in the majors (4-2, 35 Saves and sparkling 0.92 ERA,) and Detroit's Justin Verlander, who is looking to improve his 16-9 record and 3.63 ERA. If he wins his last two starts in dominate fashion, it will be hard to overlook all that he has done.

Bobby Jenks is locked in at third in my opinion with his 40 Saves. One can argue that a save isn't a great statistic, but they overlook the fact that they occur when the game is on the line, when a manager will do whatever it takes to push runs across the plate. His 3.80 ERA is very ugly though for a closer. His ERA is 2.92 higher than Papelbon's ERA, and Jenks has only pitched in 7 games and 1/3 of an inning more than Papelbon with about week left on the season.

Patty Ice
09-24-2006, 12:39 PM
the Marlins have four position players and three pitchers that are having fine rookie campaigns.

And to think, Jeremy Hermida was the considered the likely candidate for ROY from the Marlins during the offseason. Imagine if he didn't have a tough time staying healthy...they could have 8 players vying for the award.

KesselBuiltMyHotrod
09-24-2006, 02:09 PM
How has Hanley pulled away from the pack lately?
Not less than a month ago, he and Uggla were neck and neck in VORP to lead rookies. He now has a considerable lead: 49.6 to 40.3. Johnson, Cain, and Anibal come in at 40.4, 36.1, 35.3. Clay Hensley actually ranks ahead of the latter two, at 36.2.

Hanley and Uggla are basically even at Runs Created, 104 for Dan, 103 for Ramirez. But Hanley completely dominates him in WPA, 2.21 to .38(:eek:). Willingham comes in at 1.51 WPA, but only 80 RC. Zimmerman actually has a strong case by those stats, 100 RC and 2.78 WPA, but he only has a 24.8 VORP.

naihlflames
09-24-2006, 05:08 PM
Verlander with a huge win today. #17 for him, but more importantly clinched a playoff spot for the Tigers for the first time since 1987. Only Santana and Wang have more wins in the AL.

imo: This win clinched both a playoff spot for the Tigers and ROY for Verlander in the AL.