OT-Dudley Experiment Over?

Guess the SP fans aren't as pleased with Duds as they were after they beat us. :dunno: :lol: Some fun reading for sure.

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:lol: :rolly: :joker:

I love this part:


... breathe out the bad thoughts, breathe in the good vibes ...


Sounds exactly like ol' Feng Shui Dudley. :joker:

Priceless. All of the celebration from Keenan being fired is over.

Well, 'turds, sometimes you get what you asked for. Poke check defense, backing down at the blue line, limited physical play. Vintage Dudley.

Priceless. All of the celebration from Keenan being fired is over.

Well, 'turds, sometimes you get what you asked for. Poke check defense, backing down at the blue line, limited physical play.

And don't forget the "system of systems", which the SP fans are talking about already being so confused over.

Panturds special teams must really be bad. They had 2 PP and 2 short-handed goals scored against them tonight in a 6-3 loss to the Thrash. :lol: :handclap:

I'm not going to say they're good (clearly they are not), but the Panthers special teams caught some rough breaks in the game. Of course, they also "scored" a PP goal that was a gift from an ATL defenseman (he knocked it into his own net), so I guess it all comes out in the wash. Always fun to see them lose. Even moreso with Duds and Ludz behind the bench. What a couple of clowns. I love watching the confused looks on the players faces as they skate away from a timeout instruction session. ;)

Oh, this is rich! Panther fans are already throwing in the towel on the season and counting down to the Ovechkin lottery:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=29561

:joker:

This is just too funny. My oh my already looking forward to the draft. I wonder how the panturd fans are going to feel when Duds starts trading guys in order to get vets to play ludz's "system" . this shuld be interesting- maybe we can trade keefe for horton- that sounds like a very good duds trade. This should be an interesting year, I think the craps will start trading away people if they do not start winning soon, which means they will win the 1st choice in the draft, unless of course Mario wins in a fixed deal. Maybe we can get robert lang at bargain basement prices. Be ready to steal from the craps if possible cheeto jay!

My oh my already looking forward to the draft.

Yes, but there's little suspense as to whether or not the Fecals will be drafting on the front row.

When you have Rick Dudley, you're ALWAYS drafting on the front row.

:joker:

-Pete Choquette

- maybe we can trade keefe for horton- that sounds like a very good duds trade.

Especially with Keefer getting a hat-trick tonight. That should get Duds mouth a waterin'. :rolly:

No whats funny is now that you guys are actually winning you still can't attract fans/fill your arena LOL, don't cry Esposito thats just the way hockey is in TB, :cry: even he compares the situation with the attendance to New Jersey.

I can't believe you guys have nothing better to do but to ***** and moan about Dudley some more. And that board over at Fanhome doesn't reflect "most" of the posters over here at HF. You guys need to just get over it already with Dudley...he didn't ruin your franchise and probably made it just good enough to make it to the playoffs. He knows he isn't going to stay behind the bench forever...but maybe waiting to interview Craig Ramsay and steal him away from TB. He just has to wait until the offseason to do that.

No whats funny is now that you guys are actually winning you still can't attract fans/fill your arena LOL, don't cry Esposito thats just the way hockey is in TB, :cry: even he compares the situation with the attendance to New Jersey.
Incorrect, especially after the sellout last night. Espo said we draw better than NJ, that was the only comparison made. How did you see the postgame show Thusday anyway? I thought they blacked that stuff out down there.
but maybe waiting to interview Craig Ramsay and steal him away from TB. He just has to wait until the offseason to do that.
Do you really think we're going to just let our coaches' contracts run out? Actually, Feaster's extension is expected to be done next month, and the coaching staff will all get extensions after that. GM first, coaching staff after, that's how it's done.

Deals planned for GM, coaching staff (http://www.sptimes.com/2003/11/21/Lightning/Deals_planned_for_GM_.shtml)

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You TB folks do realize that starting threads like this invites SP fans to come over here and harrass us, don't you?

I can't believe you guys have nothing better to do but to ***** and moan about Dudley some more.

And we can't believe you have nothing better to do than to get offended every time we mention his name. Must be a sore spot.

Incorrect, especially after the sellout last night. Espo said we draw better than NJ, that was the only comparison made. How did you see the postgame show Thusday anyway? I thought they blacked that stuff out down there.

Yup they blackout the game but not the previews, post-games, reviews, ect...

I think its pretty cool that people are allowed to call in to talk to your commentators. If I, my brother (who is a die-hard Habs fan), or any other fan could only call in to talk to Rimmer and Potvin we'd make sure they knew what people thought of their "commentating" if you want to call it that. ;) You guys are so lucky they didn't stay with Sunshine Network!

this is an open forum and most of us here express our opinions in a civilized way, it is only the interlopers who tend to stir things up, however, you are welcome to do so because it gives us the opportunity to shine the light of truth on the fallacies that are expectorated into the ether. I believe that the Constitution has an amendment about Free speech, thus giving us the ability to speak the truth you simply do not have to believe it.

By the way, if memory serves me, didn't ludzy say he really liked Keefe and didn't keefe once say he wanted to play for duds because he knew his value and liked him? I seem to remember something along those lines being written after keefe was sent down the first time and refused to go to the ahl. Hey, maybe stewart for keefe?

Hey, maybe stewart for keefe?

Don't think so. Duds drools over Stewart. Remember he traded the Bolts two high 2nd rounders for our 1st who became Stewart. The two 2nd rounders we got became Egener and Smaby, and enabled Feaster to deal our low 2nd for Stillman.

Duds wanted Stewart really bad. He might try to get Keefe another way, but Sheldon has been on the market since last season with no takers so far -- even after taking a salary cut over the summer to make a trade more viable.

Thanks for the info X, I did not know that dudley wanted stewart that badly but should have figured it out with the trade to us. you are probably right about dudley thinking of another way to get keefe, but cheeto jay might sweeten it with a draft choice or another prospect. We need someone who can give us more jam around the front of the net than what we are getting right now. Pending other info to the contrary I thought Stewart was that kind of player.

Isn't Stewart still in juniors?

I would think there's better options out there, such as telling some of our current players to get their ***** in front of the net. (I'm peeved at the whole lot of them right now, don't mind me)

... dudley thinking of another way to get keefe ...

If Dudley wanted Keefe so badly, he could've worked a deal to pluck him off waivers (like he did with Biron last year). Obviously the interest isn't that high.

For a team' whose current GM traded Pitkanen for Lukowich and Fedotenko, that's a lot of criticism thrown on the guy who brought you Khabibulin, I think St-Louis and a pretty decent team all around.

thank you Sotnos and Joe- what both of you said is so true. Yes we need more jam in the front of the net and our guys do need to get off their backsides and push people around. I wonder what it will take to get them to go to the front of the net? I sincerely hope Shane pots a one tonight, so far in the third we are behind but shane keeps shooting so lets pray for a goal. Arrgh it sounds like theodore is on his game tonight.

For a team' whose current GM traded Pitkanen for Lukowich and Fedotenko, that's a lot of criticism thrown on the guy who brought you Khabibulin, I think St-Louis and a pretty decent team all around.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again. If you want the complete story of Dudley's tenure here (not just the highlights, which seems to be all you're aware of at present), sift through some earlier threads here and on the Panthers board to become enlightened.

Ismellofhockey: Yup, but you'll never catch *SOME* of these TB fans saying that, God forbid they give Dudley any credit at all just because hes with their cross-state rivals now, *hiss hiss*. Its a waste to type so I come here only to suggest you listen to them and leave the subject alone until they come back from the land of All-Mighty Feaster.

I come here only to suggest you listen to them
Absolutely, that's what we've been saying all along! Glad you've seen the light. :D

... the land of All-Mighty Feaster.

Feaster's an idiot. (Although he's still better than Dudley.) Nobody here claimed otherwise. Try to pay attention.

First of all Crossbar, no one said that cheeto jay was perfect- by any stretch of the imagination and in fact we praise and criticize him as we feel he deserves it. None of us here wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to past or present GM's of our team. Yes Dudley brought Khabby, but he almost traded Lecavelier for nothing- the almost trade that got him fired. when you look at the record he did more harm than good. In comparison cheeto jay has made some good deals and a questionable deal when he took Fedotenko, lucowich and Heinrich for pitkanen. Yet that deal in some respects is still pending- depending on how heinrich develops. So I would recommend that you learn to think critically and look at the positives and negatives of your GM based on his history- one deal does not a GM make but a track record does. We will see if duds has learned his lessons with what he does in panturd land and if he hires ludzy again. It is a free country and you are welcome to your opinion, but i suggest that you learn to see both sides of the argument.

Its all very simple...

Look up Dudley's record at trading top 5 picks when he was in Tampa. He WISHES he had gotten a return like Feaster got back for the #4 in 2002.

-Pete Choquette

Its all very simple...

Look up Dudley's record at trading top 5 picks when he was in Tampa. He WISHES he had gotten a return like Feaster got back for the #4 in 2002.

-Pete Choquette


Well from what I could find (and granted it's far from the whole picture so feel free to fill me in on what I missed) Dudley was hired in the 1999-2000 season, which means St-Louis, Khabibulin, Andreychuk, Dingman, Taylor, Boyle and Prospal were all his acquisitions, he got Tortorella to replace Ludzik and he brought your team from bottom-feeder to the cusp of the playoffs.

As for his drafting record, he had a terrible draft in 2000 but 2001 his staff selected Svitov, Polushin, Holmqvist, Arthukin and I think you all believe Soucy and Lobb have potential too.

I think he was there in 1999 but I can't find his draft day trades other than acquiring Weekes, Kudroc and a 2nd in 2000 for your 1st, 4th and 7th.

That's what I have so far, no too bad.

Well from what I could find (and granted it's far from the whole picture so feel free to fill me in on what I missed) Dudley was hired in the 1999-2000 season, which means St-Louis, Khabibulin, Andreychuk, Dingman, Taylor, Boyle and Prospal were all his acquisitions, he got Tortorella to replace Ludzik and he brought your team from bottom-feeder to the cusp of the playoffs.

First, this is all irrelevant to the simple question I posed... look up Dudley's track record on trading top 5 picks. Second, Feaster acquired Dingman, not Dudley. Third, he's also the fool who hired Ludzik in the first place. Fourth, he inherited Vincent Lecavalier, Brad Richards, Jassen Cullimore, and Pavel Kubina from Espo/Demers.

Less than half of the players on the current roster came from Dudley. Less than half of the players playing key positions on this team came from Dudley. There are currently ZERO Rick Dudley draft picks on the pro roster. There are 5 Espo/Demers picks.

Oh, and he would've traded Sarich and Lecavalier had not ownership stepped in to stop him. He did not bring the team to the cusp of the playoffs. His dismissal was a calming force that did as much, if not more, to take this team to the next level than anything he did in his time here. His meddling nature and massive ego are the reason he is Yoda, Master of Drafting in the Front Row and why he hasn't had a team that didn't have top-5 draft pick position since his one year in Ottawa where he inherited a playoff team.

Rick Dudley had a minority share in the building of the current Lightning team and yet for some mystifying reason people like you crow that he somehow deserves a majority of the credit. The Lightning were a product of multiple authorship of which Dudley had less than a 50% stake.

P.S. Michael Nylander trade.
P.S.S. Adrian Aucoin trade.
P.S.S.S. Little Ricky is a TERRIBLE GM.

and I think you all believe Soucy and Lobb have potential too.

Aaron Lobb wasn't signed because he's a prima donna who is softer than Charmin bathroom tissue in the high traffic areas despite being 6'4" 220 lbs of muscle. As an overager for Oshawa now, at a time when he SHOULD be dominating smaller teenagers in the OHL, he is still WELL below a point a game player. Please, try and keep up before you sit here and tell us how great the prospects Dudley drafted are.

And again, ZERO Dudley draft picks on the current Lightning pro roster. FIVE Espo/Demers picks with the recall of Cibak.

I think he was there in 1999 but I can't find his draft day trades other than acquiring Weekes, Kudroc and a 2nd in 2000 for your 1st, 4th and 7th.

Guess what we have on our current pro roster from the descendants of the '99 #1 overall pick? NOTHING. Know how much production we got from that trade LAST season? A whopping 6 points (Alexeev).

Know what we have left from the descendants of the '00 #5 overall? Chris Dingman and Shane Willis. Production this year: 0 goals 4 points. Know what we got from the descendants of that trade last season? A mind blowing 3 points (Dingman).

Feaster has Fedotenko and Lukowich on the current pro roster from the trade of the '02 #4 overall. They have 4 goals and 7 points so far this season, eclipsing the 0 goals and 4 points from Dudley's TWO traded #1 overalls. And they got 20 goals and 47 points from those two last season.

Ready for the cheat sheet version? Take notes:

Descendants of the '99 #1 overall trade (Dudley) pro roster contributions:
'02-'03 season-6 points (Alexeev)
'03-'04 season- 0 points (No rostered players)

Descendants of the '00 #5 overall trade (Dudley) pro roster contributions:
'02-'03 season- 3 points (Dingman)
'03-'04 season- 4 points (Dingman, Willis)

Descendants of the '02 #4 overall trade (Feaster) pro roster contributions:
'02-'03 season- 47 points (Fedotenko, Lukowich)
'03-'04 season- 7 points (Fedotenko, Lukowich)

So, Feaster, who has gotten 54 points over the last two years so far from his ONE top five pick traded is an idiot but Dudley, who has gotten a measley 13 points over the last two years so far from his TWO top five picks traded is a genius? Does that make any sense to you? No, no it doesn't.

Don't EVER come on this board again and try to use the Fedotenko trade as leverage to try to pump up Rick Dudley's reputation because Little Ricky's record of trading top five picks in Tampa is FAR WORSE. In fact, over the last two years, 415% worse production wise.

P.S. And he looks like he has an overgrown tuft of pubic hair on the front side of his scalp too.

Dismissed.

-Pete Choquette

P.S. Michael Nylander trade.
P.P.S. Adrian Aucoin trade.
P.P.P.S. Little Ricky is a TERRIBLE GM.

P.P.P.P.S. Ian Herbers.

'Nuff said.

P.P.P.P.S. Ian Herbers.

'Nuff said.

Dan Kesa. Stan Drulia. Both nearly as bad as Herbers, but he is the trump card.

Well from what I could find (and granted it's far from the whole picture so feel free to fill me in on what I missed) Dudley was hired in the 1999-2000 season, which means St-Louis, Khabibulin, Andreychuk, Dingman, Taylor, Boyle and Prospal were all his acquisitions, he got Tortorella to replace Ludzik and he brought your team from bottom-feeder to the cusp of the playoffs.

As for his drafting record, he had a terrible draft in 2000 but 2001 his staff selected Svitov, Polushin, Holmqvist, Arthukin and I think you all believe Soucy and Lobb have potential too.

I think he was there in 1999 but I can't find his draft day trades other than acquiring Weekes, Kudroc and a 2nd in 2000 for your 1st, 4th and 7th.

That's what I have so far, no too bad.

Ismellofhockey -- don't even bother because these people have this problem with Dudley and refuse to acknowledge that there is NO WAY they would have made the playoffs without Dudley's moves last year. You may ask why they hate him so much. They will come up with excuses which range from Ill Nino to Foreign Policy but it comes down to one line:



but he almost traded Lecavelier for nothing- the almost trade that got him fired.

That is why they hate Dudley because of their precious Vinny! :cry:

As you mentioned, Tampa Bay's top prospects are Dudley acquisitions which means they still have some to benefit from him. But I warn you again -- Don't tell them that because they will cry that they have yet to play an NHL game. Obviously guys like Anthony Stewart must suck because he has never played an NHL game either.

Obviously guys like Anthony Stewart must suck because he has never played an NHL game either.

Obviously Anthony Stewart wasn't drafted over THREE YEARS AGO like an Alexeev.

Call me crazy, but over four years after his first draft in the organization shouldn't there be just ONE Dudley draft pick on the roster? Just ONE?

You're dismissed too jabronie.

-Pete Choquette

I'm cutting this off before it becomes yet another flame fest on the same tired topic.

I'd also like some visitors to familiarize themselves with the FAQ, particularly on the subjects of trolling & baiting because my patience is wearing thin.