Tired of losing, it's time for a shakeup :)

HughJass*
11-21-2003, 09:13 AM
Seriously, this team needs a shake up. Since Karmanos/Rutherford are so friggin' loyal, let's examine the players they may be less inclined to be loyal to:

Jeff O'Neill - I believes he wants out anyway. Oblige him before he becomes a FA because I doubt he will worth the big bucks he will command. He'll have leverage in "contract year" so get rid of him before then. Besides, I just don't like the guy.

Aaron Ward - What does this guy do any way? He's average. He has shown grit but hasn't since the Stanley Cup run.

Pavel Brendl - Probably would flourish in a rigid system like Minnesota. I'd take Richard Park, he's one of my favs.

Bret Hedican - Hate to say it, but his contract is huge for what he really offers. He's a tough SOB but he's an overpaid tough SOB. And he has 5 more years on that contract. Ouch.

Sean Hill - If Maurice would have just left him on the point during the power play instead of tinkering with Vrbata maybe I wouldn't be saying this. But, this guy has always taken bad penalties. He yaps at other players but he hasn't been too physical since the Stanley Cup run either.

Rod Brind A'mour - This guy plays a good offensive games with super stars and has been inconsitent when he's relied on. I truly think he's a 3rd line center or a 2nd line left wing. All he does is play well defensively, win faceoffs, and passes the puck. For $5M, I'd expect just a bit more offensively. I'm sure there are teams that would like to take his huge contract. Inspirational leader for people like Craig Adams :mad:

Jaroslav Svoboda - This guy has never been a scorer, so why does everyone expects him to be one? I wish people will stop over-rating our forwards. For example, Erik Cole is not a poor man's Gary Roberts...

Craig Adams - This guy never did anything to deserve a shot at playing in the NHL. Why do we always waste roster spots on guys like him and Tommy Westlund. Damn, at least Robert Kron had some skills (even though he was very inconsistent). He plays like poor man's Brind A'mour without the $5M contract. Since he's a good friend of the Karmanos' family, this guy will probably spend 20 seasons with this team. If Rutherford was fired, this guy would be dropping gloves left & right in an effort to keep his career alive.

I know I've been critical, but I used to be one of the only guys who didn't criticize the Canes. The veil has been removed from my eyes.

I wouldn't mind taking a huge contract in return, but if Rutherford wants to make a move he needs to do it now. He's not going to be moving any huge contracts at the trade deadline because of the looming CBA issue. At least that is what I think will happen.

One more thing...

Jim Rutherford - The only reason he has kept his job is because he is such a loyal yes-man to the Karmanos family. The only reason. This guy has traded away more prospects in the past 11 years than I would like to acknowledge. If you trade prospects, you better win. The HFD/CAR team hasn't been doing much of that. Now that I think about it, he's due. I'm sure he's willing to give up the only prospect I give a damn about for the right price. So long, Danny Richmond.

Skydog
11-21-2003, 10:50 AM
Seriously, this team needs a shake up. Since Karmanos/Rutherford are so friggin' loyal, let's examine the players they may be less inclined to be loyal to:

Jeff O'Neill - I believes he wants out anyway. Oblige him before he becomes a FA because I doubt he will worth the big bucks he will command. He'll have leverage in "contract year" so get rid of him before then. Besides, I just don't like the guy.

Aaron Ward - What does this guy do any way? He's average. He has shown grit but hasn't since the Stanley Cup run.

Pavel Brendl - Probably would flourish in a rigid system like Minnesota. I'd take Richard Park, he's one of my favs.

Bret Hedican - Hate to say it, but his contract is huge for what he really offers. He's a tough SOB but he's an overpaid tough SOB. And he has 5 more years on that contract. Ouch.

Sean Hill - If Maurice would have just left him on the point during the power play instead of tinkering with Vrbata maybe I wouldn't be saying this. But, this guy has always taken bad penalties. He yaps at other players but he hasn't been too physical since the Stanley Cup run either.

Rod Brind A'mour - This guy plays a good offensive games with super stars and has been inconsitent when he's relied on. I truly think he's a 3rd line center or a 2nd line left wing. All he does is play well defensively, win faceoffs, and passes the puck. For $5M, I'd expect just a bit more offensively. I'm sure there are teams that would like to take his huge contract. Inspirational leader for people like Craig Adams :mad:

Jaroslav Svoboda - This guy has never been a scorer, so why does everyone expects him to be one? I wish people will stop over-rating our forwards. For example, Erik Cole is not a poor man's Gary Roberts...

Craig Adams - This guy never did anything to deserve a shot at playing in the NHL. Why do we always waste roster spots on guys like him and Tommy Westlund. Damn, at least Robert Kron had some skills (even though he was very inconsistent). He plays like poor man's Brind A'mour without the $5M contract. Since he's a good friend of the Karmanos' family, this guy will probably spend 20 seasons with this team. If Rutherford was fired, this guy would be dropping gloves left & right in an effort to keep his career alive.

I know I've been critical, but I used to be one of the only guys who didn't criticize the Canes. The veil has been removed from my eyes.

I wouldn't mind taking a huge contract in return, but if Rutherford wants to make a move he needs to do it now. He's not going to be moving any huge contracts at the trade deadline because of the looming CBA issue. At least that is what I think will happen.

One more thing...

Jim Rutherford - The only reason he has kept his job is because he is such a loyal yes-man to the Karmanos family. The only reason. This guy has traded away more prospects in the past 11 years than I would like to acknowledge. If you trade prospects, you better win. The HFD/CAR team hasn't been doing much of that. Now that I think about it, he's due. I'm sure he's willing to give up the only prospect I give a damn about for the right price. So long, Danny Richmond.

Overreact much?

HughJass*
11-21-2003, 11:03 AM
Overreact much?

Yeap. It's a fan's right to.

Plan 9
11-21-2003, 11:07 AM
Yeap. It's a fan's right to.

Indeed it is. This team really does need a shakeup. Not sure if he is a possible solution, but I'd like to see Brendl brought up. I don't think he needs to clear waivers.. So, if he doesn't produce, we can send him back down. But the way I see it, it can't hurt. Send Bayda down if we need to clear a roster spot.

jeffbear
11-21-2003, 11:49 AM
I believe that Bayda will be ebnched with intentions of sending him down unless something gives ... like Svoboda stinking it up in his place.

IMO the only think Brendl would shake up would be Mo's Jumbo sized bottle of Pepto Bismol ... IMO he needs to EARN a callup with something he's NEVER done before. Play a full productive year in the minors. I think that's the only way to weed that selfishness out of his game ... force him to submit.

A shakeup that starts with O'Neill would be a debacle IMO. He's your best offensive forward and if this staff can't figure out how to use him then I say find one that can figure it out. There's PLENTY of talent on this team. MAYBE they need another offensively minded LW to let Adams return to the fourth line where he belongs, but other than that the guys they've got simply need to produce.

We've changed nearly the entire roster over since the Canes moved to Greensboro, but only made one minor change to the coaching staff ... you know where that sentiment leads one, right?

You wanna shake up the Canes?

Start with the coaching staff.

Plan 9
11-21-2003, 12:09 PM
IMO the only think Brendl would shake up would be Mo's Jumbo sized bottle of Pepto Bismol ... IMO he needs to EARN a callup with something he's NEVER done before. Play a full productive year in the minors. I think that's the only way to weed that selfishness out of his game ... force him to submit.

I agree having him play, and play well, for an entire year in the AHL would be great. But I'm not convinced that a trade will be made in the near future to bring in some help. And he seems like the most viable option in the system to bring some skill to the forward lineup.

MAYBE they need another offensively minded LW to let Adams return to the fourth line where he belongs.

I wouldn't have minded Hlavac sticking around for a bit longer than he did.

You wanna shake up the Canes? Start with the coaching staff.

Ideally, that would be the best move. But what are the odds that that would happen?

HughJass*
11-21-2003, 01:58 PM
I wouldn't have minded Hlavac sticking around for a bit longer than he did.Never thought I'd hear that. I wish someone could figure that guy out because obviously the talent is there. Maybe his heart isn't in it.

And it looks painfully obvious they aren't going to fire Maurice. Maybe the assistants will get the boot...but I doubt that too. This organization is just too loyal to people.

Plan 9
11-21-2003, 02:04 PM
And it looks painfully obvious they aren't going to fire Maurice. Maybe the assistants will get the boot...but I doubt that too. This organization is just too loyal to people.

I go through the same thing here in Pittsburgh. Patrick's brother as the coach in Wilkes-Barres all of those years. Eddie Olczyk getting hired as coach this year. Marc Bergevin here the last two years. etc, etc.

HughJass*
11-21-2003, 02:09 PM
Hockey seems to be the only sport where there sort of thinking seems rampant. Relatives & friends would always have a job.IMO the only think Brendl would shake up would be Mo's Jumbo sized bottle of Pepto Bismol That's a good way to put it :)

Pavel Brendl - In JeffBear's opinion, the only thing Brendl would shake up would be Mo's Jumbo sized bottle of Pepto Bismol. I'm sure he can fetch something only if someone wants him. Spending a year in the AHL might do him some good.

Laperriere22*
11-22-2003, 11:20 AM
There's PLENTY of talent on this team.

That is easily the most troubling thing about watching the Canes. They have tons of talent and whenever I watch them, I always think they could be using it far better than they do. When it comes to something like this, where talent is being restrained, the coaching has to be the first thing to come into question. Personally, I don't think Weekes is true #1 goaltending material either, but he's a decent goalie and with the roster the Canes can ice every night, they should not be getting hammered by the likes of the Caps or the Sabres nor should they be one of the 5 worst teams in the league (in terms of points). A coaching change is the easiest change to make and in this case, I'd say it's the correct change. Maurice's tenure seems to have run its course in Carolina and it would be best for both Maurice and the team if he moved on IMO.