Top 20 prospects

PanthersRule96
11-30-2003, 05:12 PM
I posted this at fanhome and wanted to know what you all think

Who In your opinion are the top 20 prospects in order. Nedorost does not count (if he did, he'd be #3 on my list. I'm not going to count McNeil because he's just a goon. Horton counts as well.

1) Nathan Horton
2) Lukas Krajicek
3) Anthony Stewart
4) Filip Novak
5) Greg Campbell
6) Rob Globke
7) Juraj Kolnik
8) Petr Taticek
9) Kamil Kreps
10) Eric Beaudoin
11) Dany Roussin
12) Josh Olsen
13) John Hecimovic
14) Stefan Meyer
15) Topi Jaakola
16) Jeremy Swanson
17) Mikko Vuorio
18) Martin Lojek
19) Martin Tuma
20) Vince Bellissimo

Biggest sleepers Josh Olsen, Roussin, Stasyuk, Toni Koivisto

Coolburn
11-30-2003, 05:38 PM
I'll post my list (that's also over at fanhome) --

If Nedorost doesn't count than probably neither does Kolnik really. I would rank it as follows (with my reasoning):

1. Horton - top line PF
2. Krajicek - top pairing type/PP QB
3. Stewart - 2nd line PF
4. Taticek - 3rd line playmaker
5. Globke - 2nd/3rd line sniper
6. Novak - 2nd pairing offensive d-man
7. Campbell - 3rd line grinder
8. Meyer - 3rd line speedster
9. Kreps - 3rd line all-around center
10. Swanson - 2nd/3rd pairing balanced d-man
11. Hecimovic - big goal scoring forward
12. Jaakola - defensive d-man in top 4 mold
13. Roussin - offensively gifted LW
14. Bellissimo - goal scoring center
15. Lojek - big d-man could figure as a 6th/7th
16. Olson - another big forward who can score
17. Tuma - another big d-man could figure as 6th/7th
18. Beaudoin - has played NHL mins but doesn't seem to have the speed
19. Hafner - defensive d-man who plays against top lines
20. Vuorio - has played better this yr but at best is a backup

Crossbar
11-30-2003, 10:06 PM
I think McNeill will have a great future here as a Panther, he was Prince Albert's best defensive d-man and captain his last year of Juniors and even tho right now hes being used in the enforcer role I think he will develope into a Colin White type defenseman for us which every team needs in their lineup. BTW Stefan Meyer is listed on the Tiger's official website as a center tho I know he can play LW too and is listed as so on the Panthers official website, does anyone know for sure what position he is currently playing?? I think its real great we have so many versatile forwards in our system!!!

Coolburn
12-01-2003, 03:03 AM
I think McNeill will have a great future here as a Panther, he was Prince Albert's best defensive d-man and captain his last year of Juniors and even tho right now hes being used in the enforcer role I think he will develope into a Colin White type defenseman for us which every team needs in their lineup. BTW Stefan Meyer is listed on the Tiger's official website as a center tho I know he can play LW too and is listed as so on the Panthers official website, does anyone know for sure what position he is currently playing?? I think its real great we have so many versatile forwards in our system!!!Meyer is almost definitely currently playing center. He's listed as a center on the WHL site as well and if you look at boxscores, you can see he's starting with Darren Reid (RW) on his right and Steve Regier (LW) on his left. Meyer had 2g 1a in 2 games over the weekend and was the 3rd star in this game against Red Deer.

As far as McNeill goes, he's going to be a valuable guy to have but there was no criteria about top 20 prospects so I based it on skill and NHL potential. Grant's probably a 6th/7th type as well but we have a lot of those guys already.

PanthersRule96
12-01-2003, 11:35 AM
I'll post my list (that's also over at fanhome) --

If Nedorost doesn't count than probably neither does Kolnik really. I would rank it as follows (with my reasoning):

1. Horton - top line PF
2. Krajicek - top pairing type/PP QB
3. Stewart - 2nd line PF
4. Taticek - 3rd line playmaker
5. Globke - 2nd/3rd line sniper
6. Novak - 2nd pairing offensive d-man
7. Campbell - 3rd line grinder
8. Meyer - 3rd line speedster
9. Kreps - 3rd line all-around center
10. Swanson - 2nd/3rd pairing balanced d-man
11. Hecimovic - big goal scoring forward
12. Jaakola - defensive d-man in top 4 mold
13. Roussin - offensively gifted LW
14. Bellissimo - goal scoring center
15. Lojek - big d-man could figure as a 6th/7th
16. Olson - another big forward who can score
17. Tuma - another big d-man could figure as 6th/7th
18. Beaudoin - has played NHL mins but doesn't seem to have the speed
19. Hafner - defensive d-man who plays against top lines
20. Vuorio - has played better this yr but at best is a backup

Is Meyer a good skater? I thought they said he could score and play agressive but I didn't know he was fast. I surprised you ranked Taticek so high especially with his AHL and junior struggles.

According to hockeysfuture criteria, I'll rate my guys in the post below.

PanthersRule96
12-01-2003, 11:38 AM
I posted this at fanhome and wanted to know what you all think

Who In your opinion are the top 20 prospects in order. Nedorost does not count (if he did, he'd be #3 on my list. I'm not going to count McNeil because he's just a goon. Horton counts as well.

1) Nathan Horton 8.5
2) Lukas Krajicek 8.5
3) Anthony Stewart 7.5
4) Filip Novak 7.5
5) Greg Campbell 6.5
6) Rob Globke 7
7) Juraj Kolnik 7
8) Petr Taticek 6.5
9) Kamil Kreps 6
10) Eric Beaudoin 5
11) Dany Roussin 7
12) Josh Olsen 6
13) John Hecimovic 6.5
14) Stefan Meyer 6.5
15) Topi Jaakola 6
16) Jeremy Swanson 6
17) Mikko Vuorio 5.5
18) Martin Lojek 5
19) Martin Tuma 5
20) Vince Bellissimo 5.5

Biggest sleepers Josh Olsen, Roussin, Stasyuk, Toni Koivisto

I kinda rated on NHL potential. Globke IMO will be a huge favorite for the a spot when he grads and he could become a top player for us. Is he a junior now?

Jeff Shafer
12-01-2003, 12:47 PM
I kinda rated on NHL potential. Globke IMO will be a huge favorite for the a spot when he grads and he could become a top player for us. Is he a junior now?

http://und.ocsn.com/sports/m-hockey/mtt/globke_rob00.html

Rob's a senior right now

Crossbar
12-01-2003, 01:13 PM
Meyer is almost definitely currently playing center. He's listed as a center on the WHL site as well and if you look at boxscores, you can see he's starting with Darren Reid (RW) on his right and Steve Regier (LW) on his left. Meyer had 2g 1a in 2 games over the weekend and was the 3rd star in this game against Red Deer.

As far as McNeill goes, he's going to be a valuable guy to have but there was no criteria about top 20 prospects so I based it on skill and NHL potential. Grant's probably a 6th/7th type as well but we have a lot of those guys already.

Cool thanks Rich, thats so awesome he is playing center, more depth in the system at center! A list of all the guys who *play/played* center in this organization:

(no particular order)

25 or below: Jokinen, Weiss, Nedorost, Horton, Taticek, Kreps, Meyer, M.Nilson, G.Campbell, Stewart, Globke link (http://www.nd.edu/~observer/01292002/Sports/0.html) , Roussin, Green, Bellissimo, Jacina, Dzieduszycki, P.Nilson, Wichser, Kelman, Stasyuk, Sprukts

above 25: Kozlov, Cullen, MacDonald, Ritchie, Bednar, (Samuelsson?)

Thewbacca
12-01-2003, 02:40 PM
With Lojek being a 6'4" 220ibs defenceman and also right handed makes him highly usefull in the future. Besides Van Ryn we really don't have any good right handed d-men (lefts: Bouw, Mezei, Krajicek..etc).

Crossbar
12-01-2003, 03:18 PM
Is Meyer a good skater? I thought they said he could score and play agressive

I heard the same about his physical style, perhaps he plays a style similar to that of Marcus Nilson but with better speed and a better finish? They are listed at exactly the same HT: 6-2 and WT: 195lbs granted Meyer is only 18 yrs old and has time to grow and bulk up.

Thewbacca
12-01-2003, 04:15 PM
Lasjeunesse not in the top 20? I guess Vuorio has more potential and he is only 19? Plenty of time for developing but a backup at best.

Coolburn
12-01-2003, 04:20 PM
When I was at the prospect conditioning camp, I noticed that Meyer was very quick in his foot speed but struggled with endurance. I think he was actually a better pick than Kreps but I like Kamil too. I'm a big fan of Globke and think he could fit in very well with what we already have here. Lojek is another guy mentioned that I like a lot too for those same reasons mentioned (also the reasoning why I had Hafner in there too). If Kudroc actually pans out, he's also a rightie on D. As far as Taticek goes, he's got the 3 key ingredients that Dudley looks for in a prospect: size, skill, & grit. Not every prospect goes along the same schedule so I think Petr is still a strong prospect for the org. In my list, I would really have 4-9 all tied as they're that close IMO.

Thewbacca
12-01-2003, 04:31 PM
What is going on with Kreps in Brampton? 13 points in 24 games. Are these stats misleading?

petec1978*
12-01-2003, 04:45 PM
Meyer is an AWFUL skater. My grandma could beat him in a race... and she's dead.

-Pete Choquette

PanthersRule96
12-01-2003, 05:13 PM
Meyer is an AWFUL skater. My grandma could beat him in a race... and she's dead.

-Pete Choquette

I heard he's an average skater with great scoring touch.

You must have amazing dead grandma.

Lajeuness was not in my top 20 because of his poor play in SA and Vuorio's solid play in Finland. It was one goalie in the top 20 so I picked Vuorio.

PanthersRule96
12-01-2003, 05:15 PM
What is going on with Kreps in Brampton? 13 points in 24 games. Are these stats misleading?

He is in a huge slump but says that he thinks he is nearly out of it. He is playing with a top player in Wolski and I initially thought him better than Taticek but apparently not. He should start scoring soon. The stats are misleading but he's not doing anything.

Rattrick
12-01-2003, 05:53 PM
Meyer is an AWFUL skater. My grandma could beat him in a race... and she's dead.

-Pete Choquette

Go Away!
http://www.timewarp-toys.com/troll.jpg

Coolburn
12-01-2003, 06:25 PM
Meyer is an AWFUL skater. My grandma could beat him in a race... and she's dead.

-Pete ChoquetteWhen have you seen Meyer and how many times? I'm just curious how a TB fan could have seen how awful a skater he is as opposed to a FL fan who went to the conditioning camp where all they did was skating. :dunno:

By the way, isn't this post considered against the rules of HF by coming over just to cause trouble?? The rules and I think this fits into it exactly: f) Posting (aka trolling) for the specific purpose of inflaming other users will result in loss of posting priviledges.

petec1978*
12-01-2003, 07:23 PM
I'm just curious how a TB fan

And HF correspondant whose business it is to know a little something about these players.

I didn't come here to start trouble, but the bottom line is Meyer can't freaking skate. Don't believe me? OK. Lets go to the CHL Top Prospects game skills testing shall we?

Stefan Meyer:

60' Dash- 3.347 seconds

That'd be dead last amongst all skaters at the event. And oh by the way, MA Fluery almost beat him in goalie gear at 3.361 seconds. Now that's a short sprint. That's not "poor conditioning". Meyer doesn't have "quick feet". He simply has zero acceleration.

150' Dash- 6.460 seconds

Second to last amongst all skaters at the event behind Corey Perry. Just to put this all in perspective, Horton did 3.014 in the 60' dash and 6.089 in the 150' dash and Horton isn't exactly Martin St. Louis in the skating department. Anthony Stewart had a 3.010 and a 5.951.

Meyer was literally a step or two behind every other top prospect there in his draft class. That's not stirring trouble, that's simple facts. The kid can't skate. That's why I was shocked when Dudley took him because it's not Little Ricky's M.O. to take slugs on his team unless they're late round goons like Femenella.

-Pete Choquette

Crossbar
12-01-2003, 09:19 PM
Some projections on Stefan Meyer from before draft day:

"LW Stefan Meyer: He is described as a guy that is "all about goals". Last season with Medicine Hat in the WHL Meyer compiled a Cy Young looking statistical mark of 36 goals, 16 assists, 52 points in 70 games played. Of course when you look at numbers like that there are going to be some who question your defensive ability. But most believe he can be taught that side of the game. Thats something that can be taught. The desire and passion to score goals can not."

"Stefan Meyer: He has great goal scoring instincts (36 goals with Medicine Hat), and plays a physical game. He should be a good crash and bang LW who can pot goals."

budstar
12-01-2003, 09:45 PM
THough I agree on you about that Meyer was slow... That was before all the work was done.. Meyer has dropped a fair 8 percent body fat since last season and has been very very impressive with the Tigers.. Being an advid season ticket holder he has become my favorite tiger player.. THe kid has goal scoring touch and hits like a truck. Meyer has become center this season and is by far not the BEST skater, but is 100% faster than last year.. And boy can the kid throw em to...

budstar
12-01-2003, 09:51 PM
ow and another... Florida fans should have seen Meyer's goal the other night... You guys got a good pic in this kid..

petec1978*
12-01-2003, 11:19 PM
And what kept him out of the 1st round crossbar? His skating. You'll notice it doesn't say anything about his skating in two paragraphs. That's because its so ugly it doesn't bear mentioning.

And I'm still not sold on Meyer's skating. Sheldon Keefe did the same thing Meyer did last summer and the results weren't really dramatic either.

Besides, my favorite MH Tiger is Darren Reid. :D

-Pete Choquette

Clash*
12-02-2003, 12:45 AM
So Pete, I'm guessin you're solely goin on numbers you've read and haven't seen him. correct? If so, stop actin like the know all, be all, you try to, and just leave, cause striaght ahead speed isn't everything in this game. If so, Novoseltsev would be the next Gretzky.

Crossbar
12-02-2003, 02:44 AM
It was a deep draft and he was projected to go fairly high...being a 2nd rounder is nothing to be heart-broken about, if it is then I guess you should be pretty pissed off that big bad Feaster didn't select 1 player out of the 1st round huh? ;) Meyer could have improved his skating ability drastically during training camp just like Patrice Bergeron improved his abilities in Boston's camp its not that uncommon or unheard of. I mean if our skating skills coach could actually improve a stumbling goon like Worrell's skating ability and have coaches/players both in the NHL and AHL rave about how much Worrell's skating ability being improved drastically then Meyer's skating ability should also have improved drastically if he had the same heart, desire, and determination as Peter did and based on Budstar and Rich's comments I guess its evident.

Coolburn
12-02-2003, 03:27 AM
And HF correspondant whose business it is to know a little something about these players.

I didn't come here to start trouble, but the bottom line is Meyer can't freaking skate. Don't believe me? OK. Lets go to the CHL Top Prospects game skills testing shall we?

Stefan Meyer:

60' Dash- 3.347 seconds

That'd be dead last amongst all skaters at the event. And oh by the way, MA Fluery almost beat him in goalie gear at 3.361 seconds. Now that's a short sprint. That's not "poor conditioning". Meyer doesn't have "quick feet". He simply has zero acceleration.

150' Dash- 6.460 seconds

Second to last amongst all skaters at the event behind Corey Perry. Just to put this all in perspective, Horton did 3.014 in the 60' dash and 6.089 in the 150' dash and Horton isn't exactly Martin St. Louis in the skating department. Anthony Stewart had a 3.010 and a 5.951.

Meyer was literally a step or two behind every other top prospect there in his draft class. That's not stirring trouble, that's simple facts. The kid can't skate. That's why I was shocked when Dudley took him because it's not Little Ricky's M.O. to take slugs on his team unless they're late round goons like Femenella.

-Pete ChoquetteNow why couldn't you have just said this from the beginning instead of saying "My grandma could beat him in a race... and she's dead"?

Its nots what you say but how you say it and at least these facts support it more. But I didn't say anything about acceleration and straight away speed did I?? I mentioned that he had quick feet...I guess my meaning wasn't exactly clear. Yes at the prospect conditioning camp he was easily the slowest skater out there. But its those other things you need to notice about him and thats what I was talking about that you can't see in stopwatch times. He was the first one bending over all the time and showed he seemed to be lacking some in the endurance dept and sounds like that was a result of that extra body fat he has since shed. Like Crossbar said, you can teach skating but its kinda hard to teach goal scoring...thats just a talent. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "speedster" in my analysis of him because it makes you think he's overall fast. But he's more than just a grinder IMO so its hard to classify him.

petec1978*
12-02-2003, 05:11 AM
So Pete, I'm guessin you're solely goin on numbers you've read and haven't seen him. correct?

No, I have seen him, but you Panther fans would've wailed about my lack of objectivity if that's all I had said. So there's his skating times. And like the true men of genius you are, sure enough, you'll even argue with a stopwatch. That amuses me.

What also amuses me is nowhere did I say that he'd definitely be an awful player or did I say that skating is everything. Dave Andreychuk and Luc Robitaille have a bijillion points between them that disagree with an absolute statement like that. All I said was he can't skate, contrary to what Rich was telling you.

And guess what? He can't. Right here I would have said you can't argue with a stopwatch, but you already have. :joker:

I know, I did something horrible. I brought objectivity into the discussion of a Panthers prospect... and a Rick Dudley draft pick no less! How dare I suggest he doesn't walk on water! :cry:

-Pete Choquette

budstar
12-02-2003, 08:50 AM
The kid if FAR more than a grinder. Meyer has a dazzle for the net, and is playing great defence this year at +13. I read in an article in the past Medicine Hat News, Meyer has become a strong leader and came to camp as the tigers most fit player.. He gave praise to long training program given by the Florida Organization. His coach Willie Desjardin
give praise to Meyer's vast improvement on footspeed and skating. Ill see if i can find the link for Panther fans..

Crossbar
12-02-2003, 01:12 PM
I have a hard time believing that Fleury or any goalie for that matter in goalie gear could almost beat out a forward (unless he was injured and taking it lightly), are you sure he did not take the goalie gear off when he did these specific events?? Being at the bottom of the pack of All-Star Junior players is nothing to cry about his skating/speed will improve but its pretty amazing that hes still racking up the pts without needing speed.

Clash*
12-02-2003, 01:31 PM
No, I have seen him, but you Panther fans would've wailed about my lack of objectivity if that's all I had said. So there's his skating times. And like the true men of genius you are, sure enough, you'll even argue with a stopwatch. That amuses me.

What also amuses me is nowhere did I say that he'd definitely be an awful player or did I say that skating is everything. Dave Andreychuk and Luc Robitaille have a bijillion points between them that disagree with an absolute statement like that. All I said was he can't skate, contrary to what Rich was telling you.

And guess what? He can't. Right here I would have said you can't argue with a stopwatch, but you already have. :joker:

I know, I did something horrible. I brought objectivity into the discussion of a Panthers prospect... and a Rick Dudley draft pick no less! How dare I suggest he doesn't walk on water! :cry:

-Pete Choquette
Pete, you show no objectivity. You argue straight ahead speed, which doesn't mean jack, as I said about Novo. Bein able to stop on a dime, and cut a different direction is also skating, which you don't measure with a stop watch. So once again, you propose a veiled arguement with only a personal bias.

Please refrain from commentin here, cause every time you do, no matter how you word it, you seem to be trolling for an arguement.

Coolburn
12-02-2003, 03:52 PM
No, I have seen him, but you Panther fans would've wailed about my lack of objectivity if that's all I had said. So there's his skating times. And like the true men of genius you are, sure enough, you'll even argue with a stopwatch. That amuses me.

What also amuses me is nowhere did I say that he'd definitely be an awful player or did I say that skating is everything. Dave Andreychuk and Luc Robitaille have a bijillion points between them that disagree with an absolute statement like that. All I said was he can't skate, contrary to what Rich was telling you.

And guess what? He can't. Right here I would have said you can't argue with a stopwatch, but you already have. :joker:

I know, I did something horrible. I brought objectivity into the discussion of a Panthers prospect... and a Rick Dudley draft pick no less! How dare I suggest he doesn't walk on water! :cry:

-Pete ChoquetteAgain, its not what you say but how you say it!!

And again, I never argued with a stopwatch time or his straight away speed which is what is timed on that stopwatch. The only part that is contrary to what I said was using the word "speedster" to describe him. But thats also in the interpretation of the word too and you may have misinterpreted my meaning. Thus I explained what I meant further to straighten it out. Its obvious that you don't want to bring objectivity or you would learn that there are ways to say something that doesn't read as argumentative/trolling.

And still breaking more rules but I guess those don't apply to "HF Correspondents" like yourself: g) Making threats, libelous comments, or attacks on other posters will not be tolerated. This is simple as calling someone an idiot, or as complex as calling them something in another language. This refers to the comment underlined above.

Crossbar
12-02-2003, 06:24 PM
Budstar did you watch tonight's Medicine Hat Tigers vs the Calgary Hitmen game? I've been listening and Stefan Meyer sounded invisible tonight, the only time I heard his name was when he drew a power play for the Tigers (someone high sticked him?). Was he injured on the play or did they bench him? Was a nice comeback by the Tigers but they lost in overtime on a Ryan Getzlaf goal and seemed like they were dominated the entire first 2 periods by a huge towering Hitmen team.

petec1978*
12-02-2003, 10:07 PM
I have a hard time believing that Fleury or any goalie for that matter in goalie gear could almost beat out a forward

It happened. He and Stehlik both should've been embarassed by their performances.

g) Making threats

Where?

libelous comments

Where?

or attacks on other posters

Its not an attack. You simply said something that is incorrect. Meyer does not have "quick feet". He's slower than the spreading of the tectonic plates. I posted the times measured at the CHL Top Prospects Game to prove it, just in case you don't want to take my word for it. You CANNOT argue a guy has "quick feet" when the guy nearly gets beat by a goalie in a 60' short sprint. You were WRONG, just like you all are silly for arguing with a stopwatch. He's a sub-par skater. Its been established. Bite the bullet and own up to it.

-Pete Choquette

patastrophe
12-02-2003, 10:37 PM
It happened. He and Stehlik both should've been embarassed by their performances.



Where?



Where?



Its not an attack. You simply said something that is incorrect. Meyer does not have "quick feet". He's slower than the spreading of the tectonic plates. I posted the times measured at the CHL Top Prospects Game to prove it, just in case you don't want to take my word for it. You CANNOT argue a guy has "quick feet" when the guy nearly gets beat by a goalie in a 60' short sprint. You were WRONG, just like you all are silly for arguing with a stopwatch. He's a sub-par skater. Its been established. Bite the bullet and own up to it.

-Pete Choquette


why are we all even bothering to have this argument anyway? the fact that meyer's skating was second rate was privy to anyone who read the redline report or paid any kind of attention to the draft at all. thats not why he was drafted. why cant we go back to the dudley vs. feaster argument that has no solution and enables us all to bust out our best wisecracks???

Coolburn
12-03-2003, 03:35 AM
Quote:

g) Making threats

Where?

Quote:

libelous comments


Where?

Quote:

or attacks on other posters


Its not an attack. You simply said something that is incorrect. Meyer does not have "quick feet". He's slower than the spreading of the tectonic plates. I posted the times measured at the CHL Top Prospects Game to prove it, just in case you don't want to take my word for it. You CANNOT argue a guy has "quick feet" when the guy nearly gets beat by a goalie in a 60' short sprint. You were WRONG, just like you all are silly for arguing with a stopwatch. He's a sub-par skater. Its been established. Bite the bullet and own up to it.

-Pete ChoquetteAnd you left out the part of the rules that I was truly referring to: This is simple as calling someone an idiot, or as complex as calling them something in another language.
which related to this comment: And like the true men of genius you are, sure enough, you'll even argue with a stopwatch
This is obviously meant in a sarcastic meaning in an attempt to call some of us below your supposed superior intellect. :joker: Thats about as close as you can get to calling someone an idiot and felt that you have been trying to personally attack Panther fans for quite some time now.


I guess we have different meanings of quick feet then. I'll say it again so maybe its more clear...I WAS NOT REFERRING TO HIS OVERALL SPEED!! Also have you seen him since the CHL prospects game?? Can't a player improve in several areas and since you probably don't get a chance to go to things like the prospect conditioning camp down here in Coral Springs, I can't hold that against you. But it was obvious to me from watching him the first day and then the last day that he had improved his skating (and endurance) just in that time period.

And again so maybe you understand, I never argued with the stopwatch times or that he is a slow skater. I was referring to something completely different and it seems you won't see anyone else's side of an argument.

This is the last thing I'll say in this because its futile to discuss things with you if you won't look at anyone else's perspective. I admitted that using the word "speedster" was incorrect but I couldn't find another word for him and felt he could easily improve his skating ability to match his scoring ability. He's not a sniper or grinder really so what do you classify him as...maybe I should say he's just a good all-around player and be done with it.

LetsGoPanthers
12-03-2003, 05:15 AM
Meyer is an AWFUL skater. My grandma could beat him in a race... and she's dead.

-Pete Choquette

Why would you come in and make a remark like that?

I think you know that all it will do is end the good thread that the Panther fans had going about their prospects!
Thanks Pete for turning a good thread into a pissing match....

Panthersrule and Crossbar had already questioned the Speedster explanation by Richpanther, but one mistake (although I have to agree he has improved his physical aspect and therefore his skating a bit) on a Top 20 list shouldn't get a response like that.

Pete, once again: Please go away and quit ruining the threads.

Rockstar Life
12-03-2003, 06:45 AM
He is in a huge slump but says that he thinks he is nearly out of it. He is playing with a top player in Wolski and I initially thought him better than Taticek but apparently not. He should start scoring soon. The stats are misleading but he's not doing anything.

Hardly anyone in Brampton this year is scoring, or generating much offence, so I would expect Kreps' numbers to improve to a PPG by the end of the year. He's still playing the point on the powerplay and doing a good job of rushing the puck. He's still guilty of holding the puck too long, but I think that's mostly because he's putting too much pressure on himself to find the scoresheet. He and Wolski are working very well together, and their vision (especially 4 on 4) is pretty remarkable.

As for Lojek, he still seems slow to me, but he's confident rushing the puck. For a big guy, doesn't use his size as much as he could. In so saying, he's pretty solid on the powerplay and has a decent shot. He plays better in the corners than in front of the net, and makes a good first pass out of the zone. He's prone to some ugly giveaways, but those seem to be decreasing.

Both players are trying out for the WJC too, and we'll miss them here in Brampton when they're gone.

Rattrick
12-03-2003, 06:58 AM
One thing you guys overlook is the fact that he was at the bottom end of the best players in the CHL. He may have been slow at the Skill Competition, but his times are also contrasted with the best players out there.

petec1978*
12-03-2003, 07:52 AM
One thing you guys overlook is the fact that he was at the bottom end of the best players in the CHL.

No, he was in the bottom end of the best draft aged players in the CHL. Huge difference. Some of the guys at this event aren't exactly superstar savants and yet they still beat Meyer in these events: Alexandre Bolduc (4th rounder), Frank Rediker (4th rounder), Aaron Dawson (4th rounder) etc etc.

Don't pass it off as if everyone there was a 1st round pick and a star in the CHL because that's not true either.

And you still can't defend how a skater nearly gets beat in a 60' dash by a goalie.

-Pete Choquette

petec1978*
12-03-2003, 07:56 AM
Both players are trying out for the WJC too, and we'll miss them here in Brampton when they're gone.

And Adam Henrich :)

-Pete Choquette

Rattrick
12-03-2003, 08:11 AM
And Adam Henrich :)

-Pete Choquette

Do I really need to say it again?

Pete = http://www.timewarp-toys.com/troll.jpg

Acadmus
12-03-2003, 09:52 AM
No, he was in the bottom end of the best draft aged players in the CHL. Huge difference. Some of the guys at this event aren't exactly superstar savants and yet they still beat Meyer in these events: Alexandre Bolduc (4th rounder), Frank Rediker (4th rounder), Aaron Dawson (4th rounder) etc etc.

Don't pass it off as if everyone there was a 1st round pick and a star in the CHL because that's not true either.

And you still can't defend how a skater nearly gets beat in a 60' dash by a goalie.

-Pete Choquette

Admittedly, I don't really care about this debate. But I wanted to point out that Ray Sheppard also couldn't skate very fast, but had a long and respectable career in the NHL for his scoring ability (what was it, 7 straight 30+ goal seasons?). Sometimes a guy just needs to be able to skate just fast enough to reach the zone and get in scoring position.

Haj
12-03-2003, 12:06 PM
If you want to argue that Meyer's skating has improved then perhaps somone can post new 40 and 150 times ? All I am trying to say is that the numbers pete posted are better evidence the testimony of a few fans.

Secondly, when somone says something like " Player x is a good skater." That can mean different things. I am no expert but it seems to me that skating should be divided into several categories:

speed - the highest velocity that a player can maintain


acceleration/decceleration - the rate at which a player can slow down and speed up


agility - the ability of a player to change direction quickly


balance - player does not fall down, stumble when skating

fluidity - ? couldnt think of good description here

Obviously a good skater would have to be superior in all of thes aspects of skating.

Crossbar
12-03-2003, 12:26 PM
From ESPN

The age-old saying, 'He has a nose for the net,' applies to Stefan Meyer.

"He is all about goals," said a scout. "You see that when he is on the ice. He is always sniffing for the net."

Meyer goes hard to the cage and he's not afraid to take the punishment that goes with hanging in the slot. He positions himself well for rebounds and peels off his checks smartly.

There are knocks in Meyer's game, however. One is his skating. If he was quickER and had BETTER foot speed, he'd almost assuredly be a first-rounder.

"It's NOT that he's a bad skater, but there is room for IMPROVEMENT," said one scout.

Meyer also lacks playmaking skills.

"He's not good at seeing the open man," said another scout. "You'd think with 36 goals it would be nice to have as many assists. He needs to use his teammates more."

Scouts are also concerned about his play away from the puck. "He could use some work on the defensive side, but you can teach him that," said a scout. "The good thing is he's all about goals and you can't teach that."

Looking at his stats now of 14 goals and 15 assists it looks like hes improved upon his playmaking ability and seeing the open man and as it says there his skating isn't a "disgrace" he just doesn't have top end foot speed but hes improved upon that during training camp, also its noteworthy to say that he looks up to Edmonton Oilers forward Ryan Smyth because he "pays the price to score his goals" as Stefan put it.

PanthersRule96
12-03-2003, 05:25 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else think he looks like a girl? :dunno:

Yeah, I know it was totally irrelevant, but I thought I heard someone say that before the boards crashed. What do you guys think?

petec1978*
12-03-2003, 09:25 PM
That's just one scouts opinion. I've seen others that basically underline the belief that his skating is indeed disgraceful.

I repeat, that doesn't mean he can't become a good player. Like I said, Andreychuk and Robitaille. But I think you all know well enough that sub par skaters have a hard time becoming impact offensive players in the league. He tops out at a 2nd line scoring winger IMO, but its just as likely, if not more, that this guy will have to mold himself into a checking liner if he wants to see the extra zeros on his paycheck twice a month that only come from the upside of an NHL contract.

That's why I am shocked Dudley took him. Dudley usually places the foremost emphasis on a players' size/speed ratio. Apparently he forgot the denominator with this pick.

-Pete Choquette

Rattrick
12-04-2003, 07:03 AM
That's just one scouts opinion. I've seen others that basically underline the belief that his skating is indeed disgraceful.

I repeat, that doesn't mean he can't become a good player. Like I said, Andreychuk and Robitaille. But I think you all know well enough that sub par skaters have a hard time becoming impact offensive players in the league. He tops out at a 2nd line scoring winger IMO, but its just as likely, if not more, that this guy will have to mold himself into a checking liner if he wants to see the extra zeros on his paycheck twice a month that only come from the upside of an NHL contract.

That's why I am shocked Dudley took him. Dudley usually places the foremost emphasis on a players' size/speed ratio. Apparently he forgot the denominator with this pick.

-Pete Choquette

2nd line players in the 2nd round isn't bad. I don't think anyone was expecting him to center our first line.

Crossbar
12-09-2003, 10:57 PM
Meyer (as well as the rest of his teammates) had a great night tonight, Stefan notched 3 assists for the Tigers beating the first place Prince Albert Raiders 7-2! His stats now read: 34gms 15g 20a 35pts +12 and he sits tied with 2 other scoring leaders between 14-16th in WHL scoring.

One of the knocks to his game mentioned before the draft was his playmaking abilities and the ability to find the open man but it looks like hes improved in that department considerably this season for the Tigers.

Coolburn
12-10-2003, 01:55 PM
Meyer (as well as the rest of his teammates) had a great night tonight, Stefan notched 3 assists for the Tigers beating the first place Prince Albert Raiders 7-2! His stats now read: 34gms 15g 20a 35pts +12 and he sits tied with 2 other scoring leaders between 14-16th in WHL scoring.

One of the knocks to his game mentioned before the draft was his playmaking abilities and the ability to find the open man but it looks like hes improved in that department considerably this season for the Tigers.Meyer had a pretty good week last week too...6 GP 3G 3A. Let's hope he can continue at this point/game pace :yo:

sting_fan
12-15-2003, 06:07 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/news_story.asp?id=64419

Swanson was cut today.

Hokej
12-15-2003, 08:04 PM
It happened. He and Stehlik both should've been embarassed by their performances.



Where?



Where?



Its not an attack. You simply said something that is incorrect. Meyer does not have "quick feet". He's slower than the spreading of the tectonic plates. I posted the times measured at the CHL Top Prospects Game to prove it, just in case you don't want to take my word for it. You CANNOT argue a guy has "quick feet" when the guy nearly gets beat by a goalie in a 60' short sprint. You were WRONG, just like you all are silly for arguing with a stopwatch. He's a sub-par skater. Its been established. Bite the bullet and own up to it.

-Pete Choquette

Hey guys I was just wondering ....hmm is there any chance that Meyer could have TRIPED or something and still finish it?
And thats maybe why his time was so bad becouse I cant see him being as slow as a goalie . I would like to hear your thoughts on that....

Crossbar
12-15-2003, 08:36 PM
Hey guys I was just wondering ....hmm is there any chance that Meyer could have TRIPED or something and still finish it?
And thats maybe why his time was so bad becouse I cant see him being as slow as a goalie . I would like to hear your thoughts on that....

I was thinking the same thing but don't they usually give at least 2 trys at competitions? I too am still having a hard time believeing a goalie almost beat him....with the pads off ok...but not with pads on Meyer must have been shot by a tranquilizer gun or something LOL :joker: