Tim Hardaway: "I hate gay people"

""You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people," he said while a guest on Sports Talk 790 The Ticket. "I'm homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-hardawayremarks&prov=ap&type=lgns

What a nice role model. :shakehead

I just heard this on TSN. What a tool. What the hell was he expecting to be the result of such a hate-filled tirade? The sad part, however, is that while Hardaway is a big enough idiot to say it publicly, I'm willing to bet a lot of people agreed with him upon hearing such rubbish.

I wonder how big of a fine he'll get.

This could be interesting.

I agree with Tim Hardaway on every part but this:

""You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people," he said while a guest on Sports Talk 790 The Ticket. "I'm homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

Timmy misses the spotlight.

I wonder how big of a fine he'll get.

This could be interesting.


Who's gonna fine him?

He doesn't play anymore.

US Media Backlash will start in 5...4...3...2...

No one said that anyone who's played in the NBA is/was smart... Didn't 76er Shavlik Randolph say that he wouldn't want Amechi "bringing his gayness near him"

No one said that anyone who's played in the NBA is/was smart... Didn't 76er Shavlik Randolph say that he wouldn't want Amechi "bringing his gayness near him"

:lol: I'm not a homophobe in any way but that level of ignorance is sort of funny.

I dont have a problem with gay people, but I know a lot of people do, i don't know why?

He's apparently apologized now.

I expect him to go into 'rehab' soon.

It's one thing to think what you want. But you just can't say things like this publically, not when you're a professional athlete and a role model for millions.

seriously , why the hate against gay people ?
I could understand if they were violent, obnoxious and dangerous for our society in general .. but in general they dont have any of those problems .. so why the hate?

actually i kinda like it... for every gay in this world, i get one more girl for me ;)

Really wish one of Hardaway's teammates would come out today :)

Wow, hate is a strong word.

Frankly, I'm uncomfortable with knowing too much about people, like if I knew they sleep around, or they're gay, or adulterers. All this stuff falls under Too Much Information. I have known all these things about people I worked with, and it didn't affect their job performance,or mine, so whatever, its you life, your choice.

Who cares. The guy is speaking his mind, not a big deal. Free speech eh.

seriously , why the hate against gay people ?
I could understand if they were violent, obnoxious and dangerous for our society in general .. but in general they dont have any of those problems .. so why the hate?

actually i kinda like it... for every gay in this world, i get one more girl for me ;)

Well technically 2.

This guy can speak for me on this topic:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=broussard_chris#20070213

I'm a born-again, Bible-believing Christian (no, I'm not a member of the Religious Right). And I'm against homosexuality (I believe it's a sin) and same-sex marriage.

But before you label me "homophobic," know that I'm against any type of sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman. That includes heterosexual fornication (premarital sex).

Some cats in the NBA run around, sleeping with different women in every city -- I don't agree with their lifestyles.

Some players run around, cheating on their wives -- I don't agree with their lifestyles.

It's all wrong to me and against the biblical teachings I believe in.
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Since Amaechi came out, I've read lots of columns about being "progressive." The implication -- or outright assertion -- is that anyone who believes homosexuality is wrong is not progressive or enlightened.

That's where this thing becomes problematic, because those who hold to that view are saying I must change my entire belief system/religion because of your belief system.

Where's the diversity in that?

Those folks don't want diversity. They want everyone to agree with their "enlightened" opinion.

Who cares. The guy is speaking his mind, not a big deal. Free speech eh.

to me, it's not so much his opinion. the bigger deal is that a guy who did represent the nba at certain events would say something like this publicly.

he's just cost himself who knows how many thousands, hundreds of thousands, if not a few millions, by stating something so clear-cut. if he can live with the fact that he's literally thrown away $$$ by doing this then so be it. i know most ppl wouldn't. in fact, he gave amechi even more publicity, which will probably equal more money. ha-ha.



and another thing: for a guy who's played in the san fran bay area and miami, you'd think he must have ran into gays left and right. how in the hell can you totally avoid them?

No one said that anyone who's played in the NBA is/was smart... Didn't 76er Shavlik Randolph say that he wouldn't want Amechi "bringing his gayness near him"

Yeah, but he meant as in he wouldn't want to be hit on by a teammate. I can see how it could be interpreted. No active player in their right mind would say they wouldn't be welcoming to a gay player in their team. Eric Davis (baseball player, with the Reds at the time) said something of the sort, not too long after he recovered from cancer, and he felt the wrath of some critics.

It's one thing to think what you want. But you just can't say things like this publically, not when you're a professional athlete and a role model for millions.

Exactly. I'd say he's a bigger dumbass than bigot.

I agree with Tim Hardaway on every part but this:

""You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people," he said while a guest on Sports Talk 790 The Ticket. "I'm homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

Kind of my sentiments, too. He just went overboard.

For a long time, there's been this been this hope of finding a gay "role model" in sports. Just to show the desperation, a retired nobody (three teams in five years should give an indication) was given a book deal, a promo tour and ample press. When's the hour-long appearance on Oprah?

Yay, "the first openly gay NBA player." We can all sleep better at night. The indignant reaction says as much, so that the "enlightened" ones can smugly berate those who don't hold the same views.

seriously , why the hate against gay people ?
I could understand if they were violent, obnoxious and dangerous for our society in general .. but in general they dont have any of those problems .. so why the hate?


Sorry to take the discussion slightly OT, but it's certainly possible to find specific instances:

Gay organizations were more concerned with concealing the identity of the homocidal homo, who offed Gianni Versace (who happened to be gay himself). Speaking of those organizations...ACT UP, Queer Nation and Gay Men's Health Crisis were incredibly obnoxious, and NAMBLA isn't exactly good for society.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6475148

Kind of my sentiments, too. He just went overboard.

For a long time, there's been this been this hope of finding a gay "role model" in sports. Just to show the desperation, a retired nobody (three teams in five years should give an indication) was given a book deal, a promo tour and ample press. When's the hour-long appearance on Oprah?

Yay, "the first openly gay NBA player." We can all sleep better at night. The indignant reaction says as much, so that the "enlightened" ones can smugly berate those who don't hold the same views.



Sorry to take the discussion slightly OT, but it's certainly possible to find specific instances:

Gay organizations were more concerned with concealing the identity of the homocidal homo, who offed Gianni Versace (who happened to be gay himself). Speaking of those organizations...ACT UP, Queer Nation and Gay Men's Health Crisis were incredibly obnoxious, and NAMBLA isn't exactly good for society.

Jeez you too Bob?

Unreal. This is 2007 right?

:shakehead

I can't get into a long deal here, just wanted to say you're so wrong, just so wrong....

Exactly. I'd say he's a bigger dumbass than bigot.

His career can back that statement up.

ESPN is reporting on it's score ticker that NBA commissioner David Stern said that Hardaway will no longer represent the NBA at any future functions or in any way shape or form.

PWNED

This guy can speak for me on this topic:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=broussard_chris#20070213


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Sorry but trying to push off your discriminatory religious ideals as "diversity" is extremely weak.

pretty dumb remark either way - from an african american to boot

Tim Hardaway is a ****ing idiot and anyone who agrees with him is a ****ing idiot.

Jeez you too Bob?

Unreal. This is 2007 right?

:shakehead

I can't get into a long deal here, just wanted to say you're so wrong, just so wrong....

Glad you're so convinced of your own rightness and can feel better about yourself.

This guy can speak for me on this topic:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=broussard_chris#20070213


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That pretty much sums it up.

Wow, hate is a strong word.

Frankly, I'm uncomfortable with knowing too much about people, like if I knew they sleep around, or they're gay, or adulterers. All this stuff falls under Too Much Information. I have known all these things about people I worked with, and it didn't affect their job performance,or mine, so whatever, its you life, your choice.

Well said.

I was watching Outside the Lines and someone wrote an email saying how it was a disgrace that such an amazing role model would say such things and how all young basketball players look up to Tim Hardaway. I almost started laughing when I heard this, regardless of the situation Tim Hardaway is an ******* for saying what he did, we all know that. But to say that every young basketball player looks up to him was hilarious.

Anyways, good for David Stern completely erasing his name from anything dealing with the NBA, they dont want that kind of reputation. Sorry Tim but you deserve everything coming to you.

Sorry but trying to push off your discriminatory religious ideals as "diversity" is extremely weak.
Except, he's right. The key is how one acts, not what they believe. People are free to think how they wish as long as their actions are respectful.

Well, at least you can say Mr. Hardaway is more honest about his bigotry than the majority of professional athletes. I mean, face it, 95% of athletes (particularly the NBA, NFL, and baseball types) aren't exactly social intellectuals. You don't exactly need to be a Harvard graduate to take the Spurs or the Patriots to the title.

Stories about athletes being shot and killed, busted for drugs, suspended for outrageous behaviour on and off the court, field, et al., are starting to pop up more frequently and little kids bow down to many of those same perpetrators as role models and express their reverance by buying merchandise. :bow: :devdance:


Dennis Rodman, of all people, once said in his autobiography that today's players are more concerned about amassing the most money, fame, and "kitty" they can get as opposed to improving their game. "The game? ******* the game!"

Except, he's right. The key is how one acts, not what they believe. People are free to think how they wish as long as their actions are respectful.

Does not change the fact that playing off discrimination as diversity is weak. I guess those diversity posters we'rent inclusive since they were missing white supremacists.

Does not change the fact that playing off discrimination as diversity is weak. I guess those diversity posters we'rent inclusive since they were missing white supremacists.

White supremacy doesn't fit, because it is inherently active. A good Christian doesn't think homosexuals are inferior people, they think they are people living a sinful lifestyle. Two very different things. Being filled with hate is always bad, disagreeing with someones lifestyle is fine.

White supremacy doesn't fit, because it is inherently active. A good Christian doesn't think homosexuals are inferior people, they think they are people living a sinful lifestyle. Two very different things. Being filled with hate is always bad, disagreeing with someones lifestyle is fine.

Oh its definetely hateful, but if they dont act on it its ok right?

If you're going to be saying others lifestyles is sinful you're by necessity passing judement upon them/placing yourself above them on a moral scale basing this on an assumption that sexuality is a choice.

Oh its definetely hateful, but if they dont act on it its ok right?

If you're going to be saying others lifestyles is sinful you're by necessity passing judement upon them/placing yourself above them on a moral scale basing this on an assumption that sexuality is a choice.

If all passing of judgement makes us bigotted then everyone is a horrible person. Disagreeing with the way a person lives is not wrong. Trying to force them to change is. But disagreeing is not wrong.

If all passing of judgement makes us bigotted then everyone is a horrible person. Disagreeing with the way a person lives is not wrong. Trying to force them to change is. But disagreeing is not wrong.

But what gives you the right to pass judgment? As long as I don't hurt you or any other people with the way I live it's not your business. :shakehead

That's exactly the problem I have with those "Christians". They complain that people don't accept their views but in the same breath try to force other people to accept their views on life.
I couldn't care less if you think that homosexuality or sex outside marriage is a sin but who gives you the right to judge or try to interfere with my life-decisions?

But what gives you the right to pass judgment? As long as I don't hurt you or any other people with the way I live it's not your business. :shakehead


Exactly. So why is it your business how one person feals about another?

Exactly. So why is it your business how one person feals about another?

You can feel all you like. Who is forcing you to like gays?
But I expect that you respect them and tread them like you would every other human being. Just like you don't have to like African Americans or Chinese people but once you spread hate it becomes a problem.
Do you know how many gays a murdered just because they are gay (some famous Jamaican Reggae stars are open advocating the killing of chi chi men)? Do you know how many young gay people kill themselves because of all the hate and abuse they face.

Wow, hate is a strong word.

Frankly, I'm uncomfortable with knowing too much about people, like if I knew they sleep around, or they're gay, or adulterers. All this stuff falls under Too Much Information. I have known all these things about people I worked with, and it didn't affect their job performance,or mine, so whatever, its you life, your choice.

The fact you lump being gay with adultery and sleeping around is pretty telling

That's exactly the problem I have with those "Christians". They complain that people don't accept their views but in the same breath try to force other people to accept their views on life.
I couldn't care less if you think that homosexuality or sex outside marriage is a sin but who gives you the right to judge or try to interfere with my life-decisions?

They're no worse than self-absorbed liberals, who's knee-jerk reaction is to smear anybody as a "bigot," who doesn't share their approval of alternative lifestyles. Yet, they seem to believe that they're somehow much more "tolerant" and "open-minded"...until contradicting views enter the discussion.

They're no worse than self-absorbed liberals, who's knee-jerk reaction is to smear anybody as a "bigot," who doesn't share their approval of alternative lifestyles. Yet, they seem to believe that they're somehow much more "tolerant" and "open-minded"...until contradicting views enter the discussion.

Aren't you the resident anti-Semite?

I guess being anti-gay is the next logical step.

Any thoughts on the Roma (Gypsys)?

Don't you have a Pride planning meeting to attend, RGB? The rainbow bumpersticker makes you "progessive."

I think that people who think that Christians are stupid sheople who follow an outdated, mistranslated book are foolish and condescending and bigoted.

How's that taste?

How's this instead? I think people who think that Christianity is outdated and wrong are wrong themselves but we can have interesting conversations about it without having shouting matches and we can discuss other topics quite peacefully. I have friends who are athiest and agnostic and we have been able to reach an understanding. I might still worry about the status of their souls and they might still think I'm following a misguided, pointless religion, but we can respect each other.

Better, no?

So why can't the same apply to Christians who think homosexuality is wrong and homosexuals?

I think that people who think that Christians are stupid sheople who follow an outdated, mistranslated book are foolish and condescending and bigoted.

How's that taste?

How's this instead? I think people who think that Christianity is outdated and wrong are wrong themselves but we can have interesting conversations about it without having shouting matches and we can discuss other topics quite peacefully. I have friends who are athiest and agnostic and we have been able to reach an understanding. I might still worry about the status of their souls and they might still think I'm following a misguided, pointless religion, but we can respect each other.

Better, no?

So why can't the same apply to Christians who think homosexuality is wrong and homosexuals?


Probably because people who deny gays their basic human rights and even their right to life are often using the bible and religious teachings and believes as a justification. :dunno:

Probably because people who deny gays their basic human rights and even their right to life are often using the bible and religious teachings and believes as a justification. :dunno:

I think anyone who murders a homosexual person is horribly misguided in their beliefs about who Jesus is and what Jesus would say to homosexuals if he was on the earth today. I'd say the same about someone who would beat up a homosexual in the name of Christianity.

Here's my point though: Tim Hardaway never said anything about the Bible, or God, or Jesus, or church, or any of those entities. He just said "I hate gay people." You don't have to be a Christian to hate gay people. You just have to be a hateful bigot.

Glad you're so convinced of your own rightness and can feel better about yourself.

Wasn't thinking of myself at all, thats your bag old man.

They're no worse than self-absorbed liberals, who's knee-jerk reaction is to smear anybody as a "bigot," who doesn't share their approval of alternative lifestyles. Yet, they seem to believe that they're somehow much more "tolerant" and "open-minded"...until contradicting views enter the discussion.

Get it right, I'm much more af a human being than you are :teach: ;)

Thought you didn't want to get into a long deal? Three replies, with two of them having nothing to do with you, sure qualifies. Somehow it won't cause me to lose sleep at night, with you around, thinking you're superior in your thinking.

The issue, itself, really leaves me indifferent. The aggressive promotion of it, by certain media-types, is what's annoying, since they don't decide for me what the important issues are of the day. This story is huge on CNN and ESPN, and probably others. The reaction has been predictable, but if a couple of mosquitos, here, want to try and bite...they can expect to get swatted.

The issue, itself, really leaves me indifferent. The aggressive promotion of it, by certain media-types, is what's annoying.

I won't comment on the Liberal/God/Whatever battle going on here...but this statement sums up my feelings perfectly.

Like I said at the beginning...dude was a below average center and only played in the NBA for a couple seasons so I could care less about who he stoops.

Now if Larry Bird came out, then I still wouldn't care but at least the media attention would be understandable...

Am I a bigot if I don't like smoking? Am I a bigot if I don't like hunting? Am I a bigot if I don't like to have homosexual sex?

All of the above are activities people choose to do. Just because I don't like to do them and don't feel they are right that does not make me a bigot.

Perhaps people don't agree with how much I eat and they think it's wrong. You can disagree with someone's lifestyle choice and not be a bigot.

I don't smoke, hunt or participate in gay sex. I know people that all do that stuff. Do I hate them? Do I treat them differently than other people? No. Everybody does stuff that other people don't agree with. Everybody sins. That is life.

What Hardaway said is bigoted. Disagreeing with the lifestyle is not.

What Hardaway said is bigoted. Disagreeing with the lifestyle is not.

So what should gay people do? Abstain from sex?

I won't comment on the Liberal/God/Whatever battle going on here...but this statement sums up my feelings perfectly.

Like I said at the beginning...dude was a below average center and only played in the NBA for a couple seasons so I could care less about who he stoops.

Now if Larry Bird came out, then I still wouldn't care but at least the media attention would be understandable...

Well said. Something tells me that a large number of reporters were hounding current and ex NBA for statements. Until enough extreme comments were made, which Hardaway's were, there was no story. Then, he became the story. Ameachi, who looks better coached now than he was as a player, can take the high road, with probably a sales bump in a book, that nobody otherwise would've paid much attention.

Am I a bigot if I don't like smoking? Am I a bigot if I don't like hunting? Am I a bigot if I don't like to have homosexual sex?

All of the above are activities people choose to do. Just because I don't like to do them and don't feel they are right that does not make me a bigot.

Perhaps people don't agree with how much I eat and they think it's wrong. You can disagree with someone's lifestyle choice and not be a bigot.

I don't smoke, hunt or participate in gay sex. I know people that all do that stuff. Do I hate them? Do I treat them differently than other people? No. Everybody does stuff that other people don't agree with. Everybody sins. That is life.

What Hardaway said is bigoted. Disagreeing with the lifestyle is not.

Some similar thoughts went through my mind, while grocery shopping. Would anybody get into a heated debate with you over whether pineapple should be sliced, diced or in chunks or not part of the diet? (Sliced is the way to go, btw! :) )

Am I a bigot if I don't like smoking? Am I a bigot if I don't like hunting? Am I a bigot if I don't like to have homosexual sex?


Am I a bigot if I don't like Jews? Don't like Muslims? Christians?

You can feel all you like. Who is forcing you to like gays?
But I expect that you respect them and tread them like you would every other human being. Just like you don't have to like African Americans or Chinese people but once you spread hate it becomes a problem.
Do you know how many gays a murdered just because they are gay (some famous Jamaican Reggae stars are open advocating the killing of chi chi men)? Do you know how many young gay people kill themselves because of all the hate and abuse they face.

But that's exactly what I said, that it's actions that matter. So why are you arguing with me?

There's nothing left to say here