2004 IIHF World U20 Championship: Div.I, Group A

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2004 IIHF World U20 Championship Div I, Group A
Berlin, Germany
Dec. 14-20, 2003

Teams
Germany
Kazakhstan
Slovenia
Latvia
Denmark
Hungary

Schedule (all games at Berlin)
All Times Local
Dec. 14
13:00 - Denmark 5-3 Slovenia
16:30 - Latvia 4-4 Kazakhstan
20:00 - Hungary 1-9 Germany

Dec. 15
13:00 - Kazakhstan 1-3 Denmark
16:30 - Slovenia 5-0 Hungary
20:00 - Germany 4-4 Latvia

Dec. 17
13:00 - Hungary 2-15 Latvia
16:30 - Kazakhstan 2-3 Slovenia
20:00 - Germany 2-2 Denmark

Dec. 18
13:00 - Kazakhstan 7-3 Hungary
16:30 - Latvia 8-3 Denmark
20:00 - Slovenia 1-8 Germany

Dec. 20
12:00 - Denmark 10-2 Hungary
15:30 - Slovenia 6-4 Latvia
19:00 - Germany 6-2 Kazakhstan


Final Standings
x-Germany ...3-0-2 ...29GF ..10GA ..8
y-Denmark ...3-1-1 ...23GF ..16GA ..7
y-Slovenia ...3-2-0 ...18GF ..19GA ..6
y-Latvia ...2-1-2 ...35GF ..19GA ..6
y-Kazakhstan ...1-3-1 ...16GF ..19GA ..3
z-Hungary ...0-5-0 ...8GF ..46GA ..0

x = Earns promotion into Pool A for the 2005 World U20 Championship.
y = Will remain in Division I for the 2005 World U20 Championship.
z = Relegated to Division II for the 2005 World U20 Championship.


Top 10 Scorers
LAT Martins Karsums ...7 G ..6 A ..13 PTS
DEN Frans Schmidt Nielsen ...8 G ..3 A ..11 PTS
GER Marcus Kink ...5 G ..6 A ..11 PTS
LAT Renars Undelis ...6 G ..4 A ..10 PTS
LAT Lauris Darzins ...6 G ..4 A ..10 PTS
LAT Guntis Dzerins ...2 G ..7 A ..9 PTS
GER Alexander Sulzer ...2 G ..7 A ..9 PTS
GER Ulrich Maurer ...2 G ..7 A ..9 PTS
GER Fabio Carciola ...3 G ..5 A ..8 PTS
LAT Mikelis Redlihs ...4 G ..3 A ..7 PTS

Top 10 Penalty Minute Leaders
SLO Jakob Milovanovic ...36
KAZ Alexei Vyatkin ...33
KAZ Alexandr Strokatov ...27
DEN Philip Hersby ...24
LAT Martins Karsums ...22
GER Fabio Carciola ...20
HUN Csaba Kovacs ...18
HUN Janos Vas ...18
SLO Jure Kralj ...16
SLO Ziga Pavlin ...16

Top 5 Goaltenders (Save %) (Minimum 100 Minutes Played)
GER Patrick Ehelechner ...180:35 ..7 GA ..92 SOG ..92.39%
KAZ Ivan Bazyleyev ...145:07 ..9 GA ..73 SOG ..87.67%
SLO Andrej Hocevar ...170:02 ..18 GA ..144 SOG ..87.50%
DEN Sebastian Dahm ...240:00 ..14 GA ..106 SOG ..86.79%
KAZ Alexei Vorogushin ...154:19 ..8 GA ..55 SOG ..85.45%

Tournament Awards
Best Goaltender: Patrick Ehelechner - Germany
Best Defenceman: Alexander Sulzer - Germany
Best Forward: Martins Karsums - Latvia
Fair Play Award: Team Denmark

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12-13-2003, 03:46 AM
Team Rosters


DENMARK

Goaltenders
Sebastian Dahm
Soren Nielsen

Defence
David Petersson
Michael Eskesen
Rune Knabenhans
Mads Bech-Christensen
Carsten Nielsen
Stefan Lassen
Philip Hersby

Forward
Jannik Karvinen
Thomas Mose
Thomas Lilholt
Martin Nielsen
Peter Regin-Jensen
Bjarke Moller
Nikolaj Bogh-Nedermark
Frans Schmidt-Nielsen
Kim Pedersen-Karsberg
Mark Lie
Jannik Hansen
Marco Petterson
Jacob Vorup-Petersen

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SLOVENIA

Goaltenders
Ziga Dimc
Andrej Hocevar

Defence
Ziga Svete
Igor Cvetek
Aljosa Mejda
Metod Bevk
Andrej Tavzelj
Jakob Milovanovic
Ziga Pavlin
Janus Pavlic

Forward
Nejc Sotlar
Nejc Japelj
Bor Ladiha
Anze Ahacic
Saso Dervaric
Jure Kralj
Gregor Krivic
Anze Kopitar
Matej Badiura
Gasper Zupan
Rok Pajic
Andrej Hebar

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KAZAKHSTAN

Goaltenders
Alexei Vorogushin
Ivan Bazyleyev

Defence
Alexandr Cherepanov
Arman Tyulyuberdinov
Alexandr Assanov
Alexandr Yevseyev
Alexandr Medvedev
Vladislav Kolesnikov
Roman Dementyev
Yevgeniy Gorban

Forward
Danil Pilyugin
Alexandr Maznyak
Alexei Dolgikh
Alexei Vyatkin
Dmitriy Shakhov
Yegor Yeremenko
Doszhan Yessirkenov
Talgat Zhailauov
Denis Polunin
Eldar Abdulayev
Dmirty Larionov
Alexandr Strokatov

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LATVIA

Goaltenders
Edgars Lusins
Ervins Mustukovs

Defence
Aleksandrs Jerofejevs
Dmitrijs Sancovojs
Renars Valters
Oskars Bartulis
Martins Beresnevs
Sergejs Louskins
Lauris Dzerins
Aleksejs Bihanovs

Forward
Renars Undelis
Romans Glazkovs
Gundars Berkis
Guntis Dzerins
Raimonds Danilics
Mikelis Redlihs
Martins Karsums
Vladislavs Vodolazskis
Andrejs Savicevs
Lauris Darzins
Olegs Koreskovs
Jurijs Klujevskis

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GERMANY

Goaltenders
Patrick Ehelechner
Thomas Greiss

Defence
Christopher Schadewaldt
Raphael Kapzan
Alexander Sulzer
Frank Hordler
Felix Petermann
Tobias Draxinger
Thomas Fischer

Forward
Peter Boon
Alexander Feistel
Ulrich Maurer
Yannic Seidenberg
Matthias Wittmann
Axel Hackert
Fabio Carciola
Marcus Kink
Kai Hospelt
Andre Rankel
Thomas Schenkel
Florian Busch

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HUNGARY

Goaltenders
Attila Szoke
Tamas Kiss

Defence
Tamas Dory
Tamas Racz
Csaba Nagy
Adam Hegyi
Miklos Barabas
David Jobb
Adrian Huffner

Forward
Csaba Kovacs
Lajos Nyerges
Patrik Szajbert
Zsolt Azari
Balasz Missoundou
Daniel Simon
Gabor Krisztu
Istvan Marko
Janos Vas
Artyom Vaszjunyin
Viktor Papp
Zsombor Gergely

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For general interest, as well as my own (;) ), here are the officials for this tournament.

Referees
Sergei Bervenski (Belarus)
Nigel Boniface (Great Britain)
Ulf Ronnmark (Sweden)
Hirokazu Takahashi (Japan)

Linesmen
Eric Bouguin (France)
Andreas Kowert (Germany)
Mattias Langle (Austria)
Claudio Pianezze (Italy)
Paul Rebillard (Switzerland)
Robert Schelewski (Germany)
Dzmitri Shilau (Belarus)

Tronador
12-13-2003, 06:39 AM
German alternates: (if someone gets an injury)

T Ziffzer, Youri 21.08.1986 Singapur Jungadler Mannheim
T Koslow, Patrick 06.01.1985 Landshut EHC München
FL: Augsburger Panther
V Dotzler, Alexander 12.09.1984 Regensburg Eisbären Regensburg
V Frank, Josef 02.08.1984 Bad Tölz Tölzer Löwen
V Kreuzmann, Stephan 24.05.1984 Duisburg EV Duisburg
S Hoffmann, Martin 15.05.1984 Bergen Eisbären J. Berlin
FL: Eisbären Berlin
S Kruck, Andreas 24.12.1984 Starnberg Tölzer Löwen
S Wörle, Tobias 01.08.1984 Füssen EV Füssen

Lukko4
12-13-2003, 06:48 AM
Latvia Should be a pretty decent team

- 2 NHL Draft Picks: Raimonds Danilics (8/255 Tampa) and Lauris Darzins (9/268 Nashville)
- Olegs Koreskovs is leading the MJHL (Metropolitain Junior Hockey League) in scoring 26 GP, 19 G, 26 A, 45 PTS
- Martins Karsums playing in the QMJHL: 30 GP, 16 G, 7 A, 23 PTS...Third on team in goals behind NHL-Drafted Steve Bernier and Konstantin Zakharov
- Ervins Mustukovs, 2002 Latvian Goalie Of The Year, currently playing in QMJHL. 2-6-2, 2.90 GAA and 0.915 SV%. Was named Defensive Player of the Week in mid-November.

Tronador
12-14-2003, 02:05 PM
DEN-SLO = 5:3 (1:1, 1:2 ,3:0 )

LAT-KAZ = 4:4 (1:1, 2:0, 1:3)

HUN-GER = 1:8 (0:2, 0:5 1:1)
Scoringleaders:4points(1goal,three assists) for Fabio Carciola,
3points for Ulrich Maurer(1goal, 2assists)
Alexander Sulzer(drafted by Nashville 2003,3rd, 93rd) = 1goal,1assist
Frank Hördler = 2assists
Markus Kink = 1goal,1assist
Andre Rankel = 1goal,1assist
Yannic Seidenberg = 2assists
Peter Boon = 1goal
Tobias Draxinger = 1goal
Axel Hackert = 1goal
Thomas Fischer = 1assist
Felix Petermann = 1assist
Christopher Schadewaldt = 1assist
Thomas Schenkel = 1assist
.
.
.
Kai Hospelt(drafted by San José 2003,, 7th, 216th) = 0points :mad:
goalie: Patrick Ehelechner(drafted by San José 2003,5th, 139th)

gopher
12-14-2003, 02:27 PM
Kai Hospelt(drafted by San José 2003,, 7th, 216th) = 0points :mad:


1 - 9 EQ Germany

14. HACKERT, Axel
(18. HOSPELT, Kai)
(12. SEIDENBERG, Yannic)

;)

Tronador
12-14-2003, 02:46 PM
1 - 9 EQ Germany

14. HACKERT, Axel
(18. HOSPELT, Kai)
(12. SEIDENBERG, Yannic)

;)


http://www.hockeyweb.de/wm2004/wm2004_u20_div1_gr_a_berlin.htm
1:8???

now i am really confused.... :confused:

BCCHL inactive
12-14-2003, 03:22 PM
http://www.hockeyweb.de/wm2004/wm2004_u20_div1_gr_a_berlin.htm
1:8???

now i am really confused.... :confused:

What is to be confused about? The results are on the IIHF website, which are then posted here by myself.

All you need to do to find correct results, is check the IIHF site, or check here sometime after the entire day's results are complete.

BCCHL inactive
12-17-2003, 01:54 PM
Tomorrow is a huge day for this tournament.

Kazakhstan can relegate Hungary with a win tomorrow.

Here are the possible scenarios:

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Denmark wins over Latvia
Germany and Slovenia draw

Denmark - 7
Germany - 5
Slovenia - 5
Latvia - 4

In this case, Germany still has a mathematical chance to win due to their tie game with Denmark

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Latvia wins over Denmark
Germany and Slovenia draw

Latvia - 6
Denmark - 5
Germany - 5
Slovenia - 5

Wide open

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Denmark and Germany win

Denmark - 7
Germany - 6
Slovenia - 4
Latvia - 4

Slovenia and Latvia are eliminated from promotion

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Latvia and Germany win

Germany - 6
Latvia - 6
Denmark - 5
Slovenia - 4

Slovenia is eliminated

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Denmark and Slovenia win

Denmark - 7
Slovenia - 6
Germany - 4
Latvia - 4

Germany and Latvia are eliminated

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Latvia and Slovenia win

Latvia - 6
Slovenia - 6
Denmark - 5
Germany - 4

Germany is eliminated....Latvia vs. Slovenia for a final game. If LAT and SVN tied along with the expected Denmark win, it would be a three-way tie for first place, and promotion would depend on goal differential.

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Denmark and Latvia draw
Germany wins over Slovenia

Denmark - 6
Germany - 6
Latvia - 5
Slovenia - 4

Slovenia is eliminated

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Denmark and Latvia draw
Slovenia wins over Germany

Denmark - 6
Slovenia - 6
Latvia - 5
Germany - 4

Germany is eliminated

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Denmark and Latvia draw
Germany and Slovenia draw

Denmark - 6
Latvia - 5
Germany - 5
Slovenia - 5

Wide open

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Douggy
12-17-2003, 02:39 PM
:lol: :handclap: How long did it take you to work all that out?? :D

It should be interesting to see who goes up, but I hope it is Germany, because they are probably the best hockey nation of the group, and I think we all want to see the best teams at the highest level.

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12-17-2003, 02:48 PM
:lol: :handclap: How long did it take you to work all that out?? :D


About 10 minutes. Then I went to see the doctor....came home to realize I forgot a few scenarios...they're edited in now. :)


I would like to see Denmark earn promotion. The Danes seem to be a fast up-and-coming hockey nation. I remember when their senior mens team beat the USA and tied Canada last year....the world was shocked. Even though part of the expense was Canada's, it is always nice to see new nations begin to excel at the sport.

Douggy
12-17-2003, 07:02 PM
Even though part of the expense was Canada's, it is always nice to see new nations begin to excel at the sport.

Yeah. It would be nice if we could get to the level that Soccer is at, where good teams don't even qualify for the World Cup. The best countries that won't be at the World Cup of Hockey will be Switzerland, Belarus and maybe Latvia. I can think of three current NHLers between those teams. (Salei, Gerber and another Swiss goalie who escapes me now.)

canucksfan
12-17-2003, 07:55 PM
I also hope that Denmark gets promoted. Looks like Hungary will get demoted.

Thanks for doing this Van it saves me a lot of time.

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12-17-2003, 08:08 PM
and another Swiss goalie who escapes me now.

David Aebischer. ;)

fan75
12-17-2003, 08:22 PM
I'm hoping for Denmark too. Then they will have their U18, U20 and Senior teams play games in the top group, all in the same (calendar) year. Not bad. :)

Tronador
12-18-2003, 02:06 AM
:lol: :handclap: How long did it take you to work all that out?? :D

It should be interesting to see who goes up, but I hope it is Germany, because they are probably the best hockey nation of the group, and I think we all want to see the best teams at the highest level.

I would prefer Germany, too...well, I am coming from Germany.

But this U-20 team of Germany has a lot of problems with penalties.Most of them are really superfluous´!!(especially against Latvia)

I am very surprised about Alexander Feistl(born in 1985) and Markus Kink(also born in 1985).... :handclap: :handclap:

Lukko4
12-18-2003, 08:57 AM
Slovenia and Germany play later today, the winner will tie Latvia atop the standings but as of right now, Latvia would have the edge as they tied Germany (are ahead on goal differential) and have yet to play Slovenia.

It should be an interesting end to the tournament...

Latvia plays Slovenia
Denmark plays Hungary (easy win for the Danes)
Germany plays Kazakhstan..

Standings as of right now (Prior to GER/SLO game)

Latvia 2-0-2, 31 GF, 13 GA = 6 pts (Goal Diff +18)
Denmark 2-1-1, 13 GF, 14 GA = 5 pts (Goal Diff -1)
Germany 1-0-2, 15 GF, 7 GA = 4 pts (Goal Diff +6)
Slovenia 2-1-0, 11 GF, 7 GA = 4 pts (Goal Diff +4)
Kazakhstan 1-2-1, 14 GF, 13 GA = 3 pts (Goal Diff +1)
Hungary 0-4-0, 6 GF, 36 GA = 0 PTS (Goal Diff -30)

all Latvia has to do is beat Slovenia to clinch

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12-18-2003, 09:06 AM
It should be an interesting end to the tournament...

Latvia plays Slovenia
Denmark plays Hungary (easy win for the Danes)
Germany plays Kazakhstan..

Standings as of right now (Prior to GER/SLO game)

Latvia 2-0-2, 31 GF, 13 GA = 6 pts (Goal Diff +18)
Denmark 2-1-1, 13 GF, 14 GA = 5 pts (Goal Diff -1)
Germany 1-0-2, 15 GF, 7 GA = 4 pts (Goal Diff +6)
Slovenia 2-1-0, 11 GF, 7 GA = 4 pts (Goal Diff +4)
Kazakhstan 1-2-1, 14 GF, 13 GA = 3 pts (Goal Diff +1)
Hungary 0-4-0, 6 GF, 36 GA = 0 PTS (Goal Diff -30)



Not to be a dink or anything, but you do know that the original post of this thread is being edited as things happen, don't you?

Lukko4
12-18-2003, 09:20 AM
Not to be a dink or anything, but you do know that the original post of this thread is being edited as things happen, don't you?

Yup, well aware. Just really excited for the Latvians. Very proud of Mustukovs and Karsums and all the rest of the boys.

Seachd
12-18-2003, 09:50 AM
Ouch. Denmark got killed. So they have to beat Hungary and hope Slovenia beats Latvia. It could happen, I guess. We'll see how Slovenia fares against Germany.

BTW, would Germany have been the favorite coming in?

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12-18-2003, 10:05 AM
BTW, would Germany have been the favorite coming in?

Yes they are the favourites as they are the team who came down from Pool A.

Tronador
12-18-2003, 10:32 AM
Yes they are the favourites as they are the team who came down from Pool A.
I heard several opinions about the German team...they obviously have no team spirit.They aren`t bad individual players and most of them played still in the DEL against players like Van Impe,Rene Corbet,Greg Leeb,Denis Pederson....i don`t know why they have such problems....??

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12-18-2003, 12:06 PM
Well, the Germans have had team spirit for at least one period. They were up 2-0 after the 2nd against Slovenia, and they exploded with 5 goals in the 3rd. Must have been quite the speech from the German coach at the intermission.

The game is minutes from ending.


...And tack on a 6th third period goal with 2 seconds left. Germany needs all the goals they can get if they are to win this tournament.

canucksfan
12-18-2003, 12:24 PM
What happens if Germany and Latvia win their last two games? What tie breaker do they use because head to head they tied.

Joe T Choker
12-18-2003, 12:26 PM
What happens if Germany and Latvia win their last two games? What tie breaker do they use because head to head they tied.

I'd believe it is Goal Differential, and Latvia plays the same Slovenia squad that Germany crushed today

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12-18-2003, 12:35 PM
Yes it is goal differential.

Here is the goal differential after today's games...

Latvia: +18
Germany: +15
Denmark: -1
Slovenia: -3
Kazakhstan: +1
Hungary: -30

So as you can see, the only realistic way Denmark will win this tournament (providing they beat Hungary) is if Slovenia beats Latvia and Kazakhstan beats Germany....which is possible, but not likely.

As for Germany and Latvia being tied at the top....Germany does have a chance to overtake Latvia based on goal differential, but with the two clubs' respective opponents, I'm not confident that will happen.

Cosmo
12-18-2003, 12:56 PM
@ Tronador: Are you watching the games???

BCCHL inactive
12-20-2003, 03:24 AM
all Latvia has to do is beat Slovenia to clinch

Sorry for the lateness, but this isn't entirely true.

If both Latvia and Germany win today, it goes to goal differential because they are tied head-to-head...and Latvia is only beating Germany by +3.

Depending on how many goals Latvia gets, Germany could beat the utter crap out of Kazakhstan and take first place...and being at home, ze Germans will be motivated.

Bleifooss
12-20-2003, 07:50 AM
Sorry for the lateness, but this isn't entirely true.

If both Latvia and Germany win today, it goes to goal differential because they are tied head-to-head...and Latvia is only beating Germany by +3.

Depending on how many goals Latvia gets, Germany could beat the utter crap out of Kazakhstan and take first place...and being at home, ze Germans will be motivated.

Well, well, well: Two games can make a difference. As expected Denmark beat Hungary with 10-2 and they have seven points now. In a surprise win Slovenia did beat Latvia with 6-4 and they have six points each with Slovenia holding the game breaker, since they won the decisive game against each other. However, Germany holds all the cards before the last game (vs. Kazakhstan) now. If they tie or win they will win the tournament and be promoted to the A pool. If they snooze and lose, Denmark will.

rbeeler
12-20-2003, 09:14 AM
Wow, what an upset...never thought Slovenia would beat Latvia (unless they were getting tired of being pummeled by the stronger teams!!!)

Anyhow, hope Germany can pull this one off. I would love to see German prospects like Gawlik and Greiss play in the top division, improving their chances to be selected in the NHL draft.

Bleifooss
12-20-2003, 09:36 AM
Wow, what an upset...never thought Slovenia would beat Latvia (unless they were getting tired of being pummeled by the stronger teams!!!)

Anyhow, hope Germany can pull this one off. I would love to see German prospects like Gawlik and Greiss play in the top division, improving their chances to be selected in the NHL draft.

After two periods of play:

Germany leads by a score of 5-1. Goals by Boon (2), Carciola, Sulzer und Kink. Larionov scored for Kazakhstan.

Joe T Choker
12-20-2003, 10:23 AM
After first period of play:

Germany leads by a score of 2-0. Goals by Boon and Carciola. Both goals came on the powerplay.

Germany leads now by a score of 5-1

second period goals coming from Sulzer(PP), Boon and Kink

and the lone marker for Kazakhstan by Dmitry Larionov

Bleifooss
12-20-2003, 11:10 AM
Germany leads now by a score of 5-1

second period goals coming from Sulzer(PP), Boon and Kink

and the lone marker for Kazakhstan by Dmitry Larionov

Germany wins game with 6-2 and tournament and therefore will get promoted to the A pool in 2005 played in the U.S.A..

Third period goals by Hospelt for Germany and Gorban for Kazakhstan.

Congratulation to Team Germany!

Final standings:

http://www.73laird.ca/wjc04/standings.jpg

BCCHL inactive
12-20-2003, 11:42 AM
We know the final standings....no need to post them again.


If they tie or win they will win the tournament and be promoted to the A pool.

I know it is all said and done, but if Germany had have tied their last game, their goal differential would have been +15.... Latvia, who ended at +16 after their loss to Slovenia, would have won the tournament based on goal differential.....by one goal.

Sanderson
12-20-2003, 12:14 PM
I think he is right, a tie was all they needed. Latvia had the same amount of points as Germany (6) before the last game, so a tie would have given Germany 7 points to Latvias 6.
And Germany had a better goal differential than Denmark, giving them the tie-breaker.

fan75
12-20-2003, 02:24 PM
Wow, what an upset...never thought Slovenia would beat Latvia (unless they were getting tired of being pummeled by the stronger teams!!!)
To be fair, they were in every game except against Germany.

BCCHL inactive
12-20-2003, 02:37 PM
I think he is right, a tie was all they needed. Latvia had the same amount of points as Germany (6) before the last game, so a tie would have given Germany 7 points to Latvias 6.
And Germany had a better goal differential than Denmark, giving them the tie-breaker.

My bad.

I hate the IIHF's format of W-T-L .....I was reading the standings as W-L-T, therefore I calculated the same record had Germany tied their game this morning.