Radek Bonk is just floating

The last 10 games, the guy has gotten on my nerves so much. I find he has shown little effort on the ice and has made a few bonehead mistakes at times. I can live with mistakes if the player is working hard, say like Alfredsson does. I find Alfredsson always makes a couple stupid plays each game, but he does keep trying. Bonk on the other hand has done nothing and you can see his attitude on the ice is lazy and careless. I know alot of people would argue that he is too valuable, that he is our number 1 centre so to speak, that somebody like Spezza isn't ready to take over that position yet. Well, newsflash, Spezza has been alot more dominant and involved then Bonk by a mile. It doesn't help that White has been contributing as much, but I find White has been alright, just isn't getting the bounces right now. I'm not suggesting that its time for Bonk to be dealt, but if a deal that was decent enough, I would make it. The last couple weeks, the team has taken 1 step forward, then half a step back with these 1 goal losses every Saturday. I think a shake-up is in order for this team to really burst out. Rachunek has played his best 2 games this season after being benched, so he got the message pretty quickly. I think a deal of Bonk would be a blessing for this team if it came down to it.

The last 10 games, the guy has gotten on my nerves so much. I find he has shown little effort on the ice and has made a few bonehead mistakes at times. I can live with mistakes if the player is working hard, say like Alfredsson does. I find Alfredsson always makes a couple stupid plays each game, but he does keep trying. Bonk on the other hand has done nothing and you can see his attitude on the ice is lazy and careless. I know alot of people would argue that he is too valuable, that he is our number 1 centre so to speak, that somebody like Spezza isn't ready to take over that position yet. Well, newsflash, Spezza has been alot more dominant and involved then Bonk by a mile. It doesn't help that White has been contributing as much, but I find White has been alright, just isn't getting the bounces right now. I'm not suggesting that its time for Bonk to be dealt, but if a deal that was decent enough, I would make it. The last couple weeks, the team has taken 1 step forward, then half a step back with these 1 goal losses every Saturday. I think a shake-up is in order for this team to really burst out. Rachunek has played his best 2 games this season after being benched, so he got the message pretty quickly. I think a deal of Bonk would be a blessing for this team if it came down to it.

Given that I have Bonk in the pool I agree that lately he smells like an elephants butt(Bart Simpson). Bonk's +/- is negative 4. Hardly the stats of a shut down kind of center, but he's always been a streaky player. Bonk is on pace for 20 goals and 65 points - not bad for 2nd line center who's allegedly a defensive powerhouse. Plus, he's been pretty good in the last 2 playoffs.

I say wait for Fisher to come back and see what his impact is - and if he doesn't get injured before the trade deadline. I also think that you can give Spezza more ice time, and as much as I'm in the boat that says the first shake up should be JM being removed, I think that we can still trust his hockey knowledge in this area. However, don't react and try to trade Bonk simply because Spezza is hot right now.

But frankly, IMO the guy to move for Ottawa is Havlat. They'll get more for him, and you have to give up something to get something. You have to assume that Hossa and Alfredsson will remain the top 2 RW's for the next few years so how is Havlat going to more ice time? I say ship Havlat to the Western Conference so you see him as little as possible(ie for Morrow?) and get a LW in return for him. As much as Bonk looks like he's a floater he's still a hard guy to replace in your lineup.

But frankly, IMO the guy to move for Ottawa is Havlat. They'll get more for him, and you have to give up something to get something. You have to assume that Hossa and Alfredsson will remain the top 2 RW's for the next few years so how is Havlat going to more ice time? I say ship Havlat to the Western Conference so you see him as little as possible(ie for Morrow?) and get a LW in return for him. As much as Bonk looks like he's a floater he's still a hard guy to replace in your lineup.

Ship him to Nashville, Preds could use a goal scorer and would love to see Havlat in a Preds jersey next to Vokoun :Dhttp://www.pro-hockey-academy.cz/goalie/duo.jpg

Ship him to Nashville, Preds could use a goal scorer and would love to see Havlat in a Preds jersey next to Vokoun :Dhttp://www.pro-hockey-academy.cz/goalie/duo.jpg

I've got a better idea...how about you ship us Vokoun ;)

The title describes the better part of Bonk's career.

I've got a better idea...how about you ship us Vokoun ;)

Nice try but fat chance. As Vokoun goes so do the Preds for the most part. Same can't be said about Havlat and the Sens ;)

Nice try but fat chance. As Vokoun goes so do the Preds for the most part. Same can't be said about Havlat and the Sens ;)

Dunno about this...but...imagine if you will this very possible scenario.

Alfie who's set to be a UFA at the end of this season signs with another team. We trade Havlat to another team for help on our Left flank. That leaves Chris Neil as our #2 RW on the team.

I think you might be under valueing Mr. Havlat's value to the Sens ;)

Besides...what to the Preds have (that they are willing to send us) for Havlat that woud address our biggest need. A Power Forwardesque forward that is a natural LW?

Dunno about this...but...imagine if you will this very possible scenario.

Alfie who's set to be a UFA at the end of this season signs with another team. We trade Havlat to another team for help on our Left flank. That leaves Chris Neil as our #2 RW on the team.

I think you might be under valueing Mr. Havlat's value to the Sens ;)

Besides...what to the Preds have (that they are willing to send us) for Havlat that woud address our biggest need. A Power Forwardesque forward that is a natural LW?

How about Scott Hartnell? Big, Tough and has a lot of leadership skills. I'd trade Havlat for Hartnell!! Maybe even Scottie Upshall or Jordin Tootoo, character guys that would play with passion every night. I'd love to see anyone of these guys in a Sens uniform.

I don't believe what I'm reading. I don't believe we can trade Marty *period*. Now I know I was among those who was hard on Havlat in game 7 against the devils, but the kid has bucket loads of talent - pretty clutch in the playoffs and one of the fiestier players on the roster.

I don't believe what I'm reading. I don't believe we can trade Marty *period*. Now I know I was among those who was hard on Havlat in game 7 against the devils, but the kid has bucket loads of talent - pretty clutch in the playoffs and one of the fiestier players on the roster.

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Thank you...

Personally...I'd trade Alfie before I trade Havlat...but that's just me...

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[QUOTE=SensGod]:I'd trade Alfie before I trade Havlat...but that's just me...



and me!!!

Alfredsson is the leader of this team. You can't let him go. Besides, if the Sens decided to trade Havlat then they would do everything to sign Alfie, and they might even have a deal in place before they made this trade.

I'm not a fan of trading Havlat but who else are you going to deal if you expect to get anything of substance in return? Havlat does have loads of talent but that isn't a guarantee that he's going to get any better(ie Afinogenov). We know exactly what Alfredsson brings.

This team needs a shake up and the only way to do it is either fire the coach or make a trade. You're not going to trade Spezza or Emery, and any other tradeable youth is not going to bring the Sens what they are looking for - barring a gross rip off.

Alfie may be an UFA, but Havlat will be a RFA after this season with arbitration rights. Ottawa needs to get a gritty winger who can provide offense. It'll probably have to be a package deal whereby the Sens trade more than just one player for one player. Some better goaltending might be helpful....

As much as I love Marty Havlat, I would love to get Scott Hartnell in an Ottawa uniform. He’s broken out this season and plays with lots of intensity.

As much as I love Marty Havlat, I would love to get Scott Hartnell in an Ottawa uniform. He’s broken out this season and plays with lots of intensity.

Hartnell would be great, but he's not worth Martin Havlat. What I would really want is to posibly even get another very talented RW and move Havlat up to the Bonk-Hossa line. They play extremely well together on the PP and should play fine together on ES. Havlat has more than enough talent that it shouldn't make a difference. If he whines and doesn't produce as much then he's not going to get as much money. All they have to do is remind him that he's going to get paid based on his production this season - and he'll put as much effort into the lW as the RW.

Alfredsson is the leader of this team. You can't let him go. Besides, if the Sens decided to trade Havlat then they would do everything to sign Alfie, and they might even have a deal in place before they made this trade.

I'm not a fan of trading Havlat but who else are you going to deal if you expect to get anything of substance in return? Havlat does have loads of talent but that isn't a guarantee that he's going to get any better(ie Afinogenov). We know exactly what Alfredsson brings.


I dont think its fair to compare Havlat to Afanogenov, who highest point output thus far was what ...40 points?? Havlat is also is two years younger and has loads of untapped potential. Afanogenov is a relatively soft, speedy guy who probably would get 60 points at his peak, havlat on the otherhand is sure shot 80 point guy in the future.

I dont think its fair to compare Havlat to Afanogenov, who highest point output thus far was what ...40 points?? Havlat is also is two years younger and has loads of untapped potential. Afanogenov is a relatively soft, speedy guy who probably would get 60 points at his peak, havlat on the otherhand is sure shot 80 point guy in the future.

Damnit...you beat me to it...Afineganov (or however you spell it) isn't even in the same league talent wise as Havlat. Sure, call me a homer, but Havlat is MUCH better suited to the North American game than Maxime is. Havlat does play with a bit of sand paper and won't back down when hit and keeps his feet moving under adversity.

Damnit...you beat me to it...Afineganov (or however you spell it) isn't even in the same league talent wise as Havlat. Sure, call me a homer, but Havlat is MUCH better suited to the North American game than Maxime is. Havlat does play with a bit of sand paper and won't back down when hit and keeps his feet moving under adversity.

It wasn't a direct comparison of the two players, rather I was merely pointing out that just because a guy has a lot of talent it's not a "sure shot" that he's going to ever produce consistently or get any better.

Havlat plays with a bit of sandpaper, but he do so only once in a while and he usually gets called for hooking or slashing rather than roughing or charging. Keeps his feet moving the most under adversity? Huh? He's the biggest diver on the team.

I think Havlat has loads of potential, but again, it's no guarantee. Is Pavel Brendl a better example of a player who hasn't reached his potential even though he has lots of talent?

I don't want to get rid of Havlat by any means. It's just that I think he's the most tradeable player the Sens have in order to get anything substantial in return. You're free to disagree.

Is Pavel Brendl a better example of a player who hasn't reached his potential even though he has lots of talent?


The same Pavel Brendl that is struggling to make the NHL while Havlat is having another productive Season?
Havlat, who has been improving both offensively and defensively since his rookie season is comparable to Brendl?

A valid comparison for Havlat would be Gaborik.

The same Pavel Brendl that is struggling to make the NHL while Havlat is having another productive Season?
Havlat, who has been improving both offensively and defensively since his rookie season is comparable to Brendl?

A valid comparison for Havlat would be Gaborik.

I wouldnt go quite that far. Gaborik is much more a pure sniper than Havlat is. Havlat is more of a playmaker than Gaborik, but more of a sniper than the likes of Richards.

You could put Havlat between those two I'd say.

I wouldnt go quite that far. Gaborik is much more a pure sniper than Havlat is. Havlat is more of a playmaker than Gaborik, but more of a sniper than the likes of Richards.

You could put Havlat between those two I'd say.

That wasn't really the point. Goal Scorer... Play Maker.. they are both up and coming stars unlike Brendl and Afinogenov (though the latter is debateable). I think to say that Havlat could turn out like Brendl is lunacy, though, a bit like saying he could turn out like Daigle.

That wasn't really the point. Goal Scorer... Play Maker.. they are both up and coming stars unlike Brendl and Afinogenov (though the latter is debateable). I think to say that Havlat could turn out like Brendl is lunacy, though, a bit like saying he could turn out like Daigle.

I digress...

I digress...

No! I forbid it.

As much as I love Marty Havlat, I would love to get Scott Hartnell in an Ottawa uniform. He’s broken out this season and plays with lots of intensity.
Havlat for Hartnell and Brookbank :p

Hasn't Bonk always been a floater.

The same Pavel Brendl that is struggling to make the NHL while Havlat is having another productive Season?
Havlat, who has been improving both offensively and defensively since his rookie season is comparable to Brendl?

A valid comparison for Havlat would be Gaborik.


OK. Just forget the bloody comparisons. You guys can't seem to get beyond that.

All I've been trying to say here is that IMO Havlat is the most tradeable player the Sens have from the NHL roster - and when I say tradeable I mean a player who can garner something of real value in return. As in someone they can use right now to help them in a potential run to the Cup. He's going to hold out again since he won't have a contract after this year, and with the impending lockout it'll probably be a long time before we see him get 80 pts.

The reality is that there are no guarantees with any of these players as some of you seem to think. There's no guarantee that Havlat will ever get 80 pts, or 35 goals. There's no guarantee that he will ever progress beyond what he is now. Then again he might suddenly break out and get 50 next year. Nobody knows. Given his talent one would expect him to break 80 pts at some point in his career, but then again he may piss away his career by becoming the next Bryan Fogarty.

Either way I think he's the first guy this team should trade in order to get quality in return. If you think there's someone else who should be traded first I'd love to hear who it is and why you think so. I'm not saying there aren't other possibilities.

Either way I think he's the first guy this team should trade in order to get quality in return. If you think there's someone else who should be traded first I'd love to hear who it is and why you think so. I'm not saying there aren't other possibilities.

Maybe time to sweeten deals up nicely by selling some high draft picks? We need Brendan Morrow.

All I've been trying to say here is that IMO Havlat is the most tradeable player the Sens have from the NHL roster - and when I say tradeable I mean a player who can garner something of real value in return. As in someone they can use right now to help them in a potential run to the Cup. He's going to hold out again since he won't have a contract after this year, and with the impending lockout it'll probably be a long time before we see him get 80 pts..

If Muckler had any intentions of trading Havlat, i think it would have been done by now, he easily could have got substantial return for him. Havlat is a more valuable player than you think, sure he holds a lot of market value, but not value that exceeds his importance to this team. He is the type of player you would want in the playoffs, as Hossa and Alfie would get extreme coverage and to counter with a third line containing a player like Havlat, it would pay huge dividends in the end.

And we really can't fault Havlat on holding out, he deserved more money and plus you can't disregard the agent he had. maybe the wild should trade gaborik as well, since he held out too.


The reality is that there are no guarantees with any of these players as some of you seem to think. There's no guarantee that Havlat will ever get 80 pts, or 35 goals. There's no guarantee that he will ever progress beyond what he is now. Then again he might suddenly break out and get 50 next year. ..

I wouldn't bet on him not scoring 35 goals. This guy scores at almost a point per game clip playing third line minutes..I shudder to even think about him scoring 40 goals with another team.. if Alfie is gone.


Either way I think he's the first guy this team should trade in order to get quality in return. If you think there's someone else who should be traded first I'd love to hear who it is and why you think so. I'm not saying there aren't other possibilities.

That's easy ..Radek Bonk. He holds real value and in my eyes Jason Spezza is slowly surpassing him each game.

The reality is that there are no guarantees with any of these players as some of you seem to think. There's no guarantee that Havlat will ever get 80 pts, or 35 goals. There's no guarantee that he will ever progress beyond what he is now. Then again he might suddenly break out and get 50 next year. Nobody knows. Given his talent one would expect him to break 80 pts at some point in his career, but then again he may piss away his career by becoming the next Bryan Fogarty.

The problem is that you are comparing him with 'never were's', when he is already a very good 2nd line player.
He may not become a superstar, but he is not a bust, he won't be out of the NHL in a few years.

Anyways, i understand your point i just disagree with the arguments you used to support it.


Either way I think he's the first guy this team should trade in order to get quality in return. If you think there's someone else who should be traded first I'd love to hear who it is and why you think so. I'm not saying there aren't other possibilities.

I'm happy standing pat, quite frankly.
Trading young valuable, -cheap- assets is not what has made the team what it is today. Why get away from the game plan. If the return is another young player, that's a different story, but i'm nervous about seeing this team acquire a past his prime veteran. (I agree that we need one, not at the expense of havlat, rachunek, volchenkov etc). We know those are the players everybody wants, heck Nashville wanted Volchenkov for Walker! Ouch.