All-Time Draft #7

The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 3 goalies, 7 defensemen, 13 forwards and a coach.

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed.

The time limit is 12 hours for your pick. Dropping by 1 hour for each skipped pick. If you miss 2 picks you become eligible for replacement.

You must PM the next GM after your selection.

GMs with reduced time limits

Evil Sather - 11 hours
HankyFourFingers - 11 hours
vancityluongo - 11 hours

Any player from any league or era are eligible, but their selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future.

Draft Order

Round #1
1 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Bobby Orr
2 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Gretzky
3 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Gordie Howe
4 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Mario Lemieux
5 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Maurice Richard
6 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bobby Hull
7 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Patrick Roy
8 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Eddie Shore
9 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean Beliveau
10 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Harvey
11 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Guy Lafleur
12 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ray Bourque
13 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Mark Messier
14 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
15 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Denis Potvin
16 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Howie Morenz
17 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Phil Esposito
18 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Ted Lindsay
19 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Larry Robinson
20 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Red Kelly
21 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Plante
22 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Stan Mikita
23 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bryan Trottier
24 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dominik Hasek
25 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Bobby Clarke
26 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Terry Sawchuk
27 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Joe Sakic
28 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glenn Hall

Round #2
29 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Niklas Lidström
30 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Yzerman
31 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Chris Chelios
32 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Martin Brodeur
33 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Dryden
34 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Jaromir Jagr
35 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Brad Park
36 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Valery Kharlamov
37 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladislav Tretiak
38 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Viacheslav Fetisov
39 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Stevens
40 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Al MacInnis
41 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Billy Smith
42 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bernie Parent
43 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tim Horton
44 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pierre Pilote
45 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Bernie Geoffrion
46 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Paul Coffey
47 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Turk Broda
48 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jari Kurri
49 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Gilbert Perreault
50 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Frank Mahovlich
51 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bill Durnan
52 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Dit Clapper
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Earl Seibert
54 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Peter Forsberg
55 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Brett Hull
56 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Charlie Conacher

Round #3
57 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Milt Schmidt
58 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Chris Pronger
59 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Börje Salming
60 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Sergei Fedorov
61 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Max Bentley
62 pnep - Siberian Bears - King Clancy
63 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Syl Apps Sr.
64 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Johnny Bower
65 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Brian Leetch
66 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dickie Moore
67 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Marcel Dionne
68 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Henri Richard
69 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Andy Bathgate
70 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scott Niedermayer
71 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Peter Stastny
72 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Newsy Lalonde
73 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Ted Kennedy
74 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
75 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Cook
76 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Joe Malone
77 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Serge Savard
78 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Sprague Cleghorn
79 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bill Gadsby
80 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Guy Lapointe
81 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Brendan Shanahan
82 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jacques Laperriere
83 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Aurel Joliat
84 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cyclone Taylor

Round #4
85 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Ron Francis
86 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Sergei Makarov
87 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Cam Neely
88 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mark Howe
89 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Clint Benedict
90 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Rod Langway
91 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Elmer Lach
92 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Bentley
93 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Grant Fuhr
94 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Boucher
95 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Black Jack Stewart
96 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Johnny Bucyk
97 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bill Quackenbush
98 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dale Hawerchuk
99 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Guy Carbonneau
100 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Brimsek
101 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Eric Lindros
102 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Pavel Bure
103 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Tony Esposito
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Murphy
105 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Yvan Cournoyer
106 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Boris Mikhailov
107 pnep - Siberian Bears - Teemu Selanne
108 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Toe Blake
109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Sid Abel
110 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Butch Bouchard
111 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - George Hainsworth
112 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexei Kasatonov

Round #5
113 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Adam Foote
114 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Lionel Conacher
115 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Valeri Vasiliev
116 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Rob Blake
117 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Cy Denneny
118 pnep - Siberian Bears - George Boucher
119 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Tom Johnson
120 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Chuck Gardiner
121 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tiny Thompson
122 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Vladimir Konstantinov
123 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Ed Belfour
124 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ebbie Goodfellow
125 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Walter "Babe" Pratt
126 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Doug Gilmour
127 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Mike Gartner
128 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dave Keon
129 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Doug Wilson
130 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Nels Stewart
131 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Alexander Malstev
132 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Jiri Holocek
133 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Marcel Pronovost
134 raleh - Montreal Maroons - J.C. Tremblay
135 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Clark Gillies
136 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Busher Jackson
137 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Art Ross
138 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Bill Cowley
139 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jarome Iginla
140 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Carl Brewer

Round #6
141 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Adam Oates
142 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Patrik Elias
143 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Phil Housley
144 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Luc Robitaille
145 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Gump Worsley
146 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Michel Goulet
147 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Igor Larionov
148 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Alex Delvecchio
149 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Lanny McDonald
150 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Barber
151 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Darryl Sittler
152 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Denis Savard
153 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Gerry Cheevers
154 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Jacques Lemaire
155 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Sundin
156 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Shutt
157 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Pat Lafontaine
158 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Brian Propp
159 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dino Ciccarelli
160 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Mike Modano
161 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Sergei Zubov
162 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Vaclav Nedomansky
163 pnep - Siberian Bears - Norm Ullman
164 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Anders Hedberg
165 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - David "Sweeney" Schriner
166 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Ken Reardon
167 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Frank Nighbor
168 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Red Horner

Round #7
169 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexander Ragulin
170 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Harry Cameron
171 Wisent - Adler Mannheim
172 Wisent - Adler Mannheim
173 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
174 pnep - Siberian Bears
175 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles
176 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres
177 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets
178 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings
179 Evil Sather - New York Rangers
180 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
181 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets
182 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
183 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues
184 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
185 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos
186 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers
187 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
188 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters
189 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
190 raleh - Montreal Maroons
191 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres
192 pappyline - Barrie Flyers
193 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets
194 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts
195 #66 - Les A's de Quebec
196 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles

Round #8
197 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
198 #66 - Les A's de Quebec
199 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts
200 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets
201 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
202 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans
203 raleh - Montreal Maroons
204 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
205 Wisent - Adler Mannheim
206 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
207 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers
208 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets
209 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets
210 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues
211 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
212 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
213 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
214 Evil Sather - New York Rangers
215 pappyline - Barrie Flyers
216 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
217 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres
218 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles
219 pnep - Siberian Bears
220 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
221 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters
222 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
223 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
224 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks

Round #9
225 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks
226 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
227 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
228 Wisent - Adler Mannheim
229 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
230 pnep - Siberian Bears
231 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles
232 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans
233 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
234 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
235 Evil Sather - New York Rangers
236 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
237 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
238 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
239 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues
240 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jest
241 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos
242 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers
243 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
244 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters
245 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
246 raleh - Montreal Maroons
247 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans
248 pappyline - Barrie Flyers
249 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers
250 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts
251 #66 - Les A's de Quebec
252 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers

Round #10
253 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
254 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings
255 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts
256 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers
257 pappyline - Barrie Flyers
258 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans
259 raleh - Montreal Maroons
260 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
261 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters
262 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
263 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers
264 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos
265 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
266 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues
267 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
268 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
269 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
270 Evil Sather - New York Rangers
271 #66 - Les A's de Quebec
272 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
273 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres
274 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles
275 pnep - Siberian Bears
276 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos
277 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
278 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
279 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
280 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks

283 Wisent - Adler Mannheim
296 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers
301 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
327 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
339 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings
345 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets
352 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers
366 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings
383 #66 - Les A's de Quebec
396 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
409 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
440 raleh - Montreal Maroons
483 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
489 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
533 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder

Trades:

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 5 & 108 to raleh - Montreal Maroons for picks 22 & 35

shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder trades picks 9 & 216 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 36 & 92

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 10 & 215 to pappyline - Barrie Flyers for picks 24 & 89

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 16, 41 & 97 to #66 - Les A's de Quebec for picks 27, 30 & 86

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 24 & 103 to HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos for picks 40 & 73

Wisent - Adler Mannheim trades Mario Lemieux, and picks 277 & 396 to Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles for picks 54, 59 & 222

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 29 & 196 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 53 & 109

God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters trades picks 37 & 76 to arrbez - Aurora Tigers for picks 45 & 68

pappyline - Barrie Flyers trades picks 33, 80 & 201 to Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens for picks 52, 61 & 164

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 66 & 159 to Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts for picks 82 & 87

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 72 & 184 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 109 & 140

EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons trades picks 77 & 301 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 104 & 160

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 85 & 533 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 92 & 272

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 89, 234 & 327 to Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles for picks 110, 166 & 339

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 86, 296 & 352 to John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers for picks 137, 193 & 200

HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos trades picks 103 & 208 to vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets for picks 109 & 140

HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos trades picks 109 & 409 to Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens for picks 117 & 276

Wisent - Adler Mannheim trades picks 116, 165 & 221 to God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters for picks 132, 149 & 205

reckoning - Buffalo Sabres trades picks 120 & 232 to kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans for picks 135 & 191

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 122, 166, 271 & 383 to #66 - Les A's de Quebec for picks 139, 142, 254 & 366

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 128 & 265 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 156 & 181

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 153 & 489 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 177 & 345

raleh - Montreal Maroons trades picks 147 & 483 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 153 & 440

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 171 & 283 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 196 & 222

Happy drafting everyone.

It's not a big deal, but it's actually 'Nanaimo Clippers'. :)

Good luck to everyone.

Stickied. :)

Good luck to all GMs. 17 GMs back from the last draft, which was likely the best yet. That bodes well right there. Let's remember to be prompt, and let's keep this relatively clean. (Although I expect to see a lot of frustrated GMs after each of my picks). Even though we have 28 GMs, no reason we can't finish this in 10-12 weeks. (We finished the last one in eight weeks).

As I said in the sign-up thread, welcome back to Spitfire, Evil Sather and JFF. We wouldn't be here doing this without guys like you, as well as BM and LL, who started this thing those many years ago.

To the seven rookie GMs, welcome. You are part of the very best part of HF Boards. And the 21 GMs with experience are 21 of HF Boards' elite. This is not easy, especially with 28 GMs. Good luck. You're going to need it.

In a move that should shock no one, the Vancouver Canucks select #4 Bobby Orr. It is the opinion of Canucks management that this selection represents a shift in thinking with regards to the makeup of the Canucks roster, perhaps focusing more on defense rather than offense, but as everyone knows Bobby Orr is exceptional at both, which puts him over the top as the best player of all time.

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/gallery/000045/000105362.jpg
# Currently 6th all-time by a defenceman in career goals, 11th in career assists and 9th in points.
# Currently 51st overall in league history in career assists and 80th in career points.
# Named to the NHL First All-Star Team in 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974 and 1975.
# Named to the Second All-Star Team in 1967.
# Awarded the Calder Memorial Trophy in 1967.
# Awarded the James Norris Trophy in 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974 and 1975.
# Won the Art Ross Trophy in 1969-70 and 1974-75, the only defenceman to ever lead the league in scoring.
# Awarded the Hart Memorial Trophy in 1970, 1971 and 1972.
# Awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy in 1970 and 1972, the first two-time winner of the playoff MVP award.
# Stanley Cup winner in 1970 and 1972.
# Besides the Stanley Cup, captured the Norris Trophy, Art Ross Trophy, Hart Trophy, and Conn Smythe Trophy in 1970, the only player in history to win four major NHL awards in one season.
# Played in the NHL All-Star Game in 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973 and 1975.
# Won Lou Marsh Trophy as Canadian athlete of the year in 1970
# NHL Plus/Minus leader in 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1974 and 1975, the most in history.
# Awarded the Lester B. Pearson Award in 1975.
# Named the Canada Cup Tournament MVP in 1976.
# Awarded the Lester Patrick Trophy in 1979.
# Named an Officer of the Order of Canada in 1979.
# Inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1979, with the mandatory three-year waiting period waived, making him the youngest inductee at 31 years of age.
# Received Sports Illustrated magazine's "Sportsman of the Year" award in 1970.

To the Vancouver Canucks? There goes Jyrki Lumme's records. ;)

Can't go wrong with the greatest player of all-time :D

In my opinion it really is a no brainer, with all of the other positions (save left wing I suppose) there is an ever constant debate as to who the best player is - Gretzky vs. Lemieux/Richard vs. Howe/Roy vs. Plante vs. Sawchuk.

Everyone though admits that Orr was the best defenseman of all time and that is what really sells me on him.

if everyone could agree to be online 10 pm est

we could prob get 1 rnd done a night in a 2 hr period.

Just an idea

also add each other to msn:

its a good way to find out if the person is online.

leafsdomain@hotmail.com is my msn

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63 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Syl Apps Sr.

69 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Andy Bathgate
9 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean Beliveau
89 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Clint Benedict
92 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Bentley
61 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Max Bentley
14 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
94 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Boucher
12 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ray Bourque
64 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Johnny Bower
47 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Turk Broda
32 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Martin Brodeur
96 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Johnny Bucyk

31 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Chris Chelios
62 pnep - Siberian Bears - King Clancy
52 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Dit Clapper
25 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Bobby Clarke
78 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Sprague Cleghorn
46 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Paul Coffey
56 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Charlie Conacher
75 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Cook

67 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Marcel Dionne
33 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Dryden
51 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bill Durnan

17 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Phil Esposito

60 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Sergei Fedorov
38 BM67 - New Jersey D evils - Viacheslav Fetisov
54 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Peter Forsberg
85 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Ron Francis
93 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Grant Fuhr

79 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bill Gadsby
74 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
45 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Bernie Geoffrion
2 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Gretzky

28 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glenn Hall
10 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Harvey
24 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dominik Hasek
43 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tim Horton
3 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Gordie Howe
88 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mark Howe
6 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bobby Hull
55 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Brett Hull

34 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Jaromir Jagr
83 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Aurel Joliat

20 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Red Kelly
73 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Ted Kennedy
36 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Valery Kharlamov
48 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jari Kurri

91 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Elmer Lach
72 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Newsy Lalonde
11 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Guy Lafleur
90 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Rod Langway
82 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jacques Laperriere
80 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Guy Lapointe
65 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Brian Leetch
4 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Mario Lemieux
29 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Niklas Lidström
18 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Ted Lindsay


40 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Al MacInnis
50 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Frank Mahovlich
86 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Sergei Makarov
76 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Joe Malone
13 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Mark Messier
22 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Stan Mikita
66 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dickie Moore
16 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Howie Morenz

87 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Cam Neely
70 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scott Niedermayer

1 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Bobby Orr

42 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bernie Parent
49 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Gilbert Perreault
35 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Brad Park
44 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pierre Pilote
21 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Plante
15 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Denis Potvin
58 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Chris Pronger

68 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Henri Richard
5 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Maurice Richard
19 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Larry Robinson
7 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Patrick Roy

27 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Joe Sakic
59 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Börje Salming
77 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Serge Savard
26 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Terry Sawchuk
57 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Milt Schmidt
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Earl Seibert
81 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Brendan Shanahan
8 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Eddie Shore
41 #66 -Les A's de Quebec - Billy Smith
71 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Peter Stastny
39 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Stevens
95 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Black Jack Stewart

84 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cyclone Taylor
37 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladislav Tretiak
23 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bryan Trottier

30 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Yzerman


Last Pick Entered

96 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Johnny Bucyk

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If your going offline for 8 to 10 hrs and your pick is coming up pm somone you know and trust your pick. So you dont hold the draft up.

#99 The Greatest player in the history of hockey !

#99 ... I dont think we need an exlanation on that one....
congrats, you have selected Wilf Paimont.

#99 ... I dont think we need an exlanation on that one....

Welcome to the draft Lapierre, not a bad start at all

congrats, you have selected Wilf Paimont.

:D :D :D . I was a bout to post something like that, but I didn't remember who had wear the #99 before Gretz

Looking forward to this....Now we play the waiting game !

Nald Psycho sent me a list, so the St. Louis Eagles proudly select Mr. Hockey - Gordie Howe.

I'll leave it to Nald to sing his praises.

Thank you BM67.

The St. Louis Eagles are VERY pleased to add Gordie Howe to their team. Lone Elvi, you are wrong, not only is Howe the undisputed best right winger ever, he's the undisputed best winger ever.

6 time Art Ross Winner
5 time goal scoring leader
12 time 1st all-star right winger
9 time 2nd all-star right winger
6 time Hart winner for NHL MVP
1 retro-active Conn Smythe
Top 5 in scoring 20 straight years
4 Stanley Cups
Most NHL & Major Pro games played
Most NHL & Major Pro seasons played
Most career goals, assists and points by a Winger
2nd all time in career goals
3rd all time in career points
8th all time in career assists

And one mean sum***** who's arguably the most complete player ever.

I have a trade in the making.
Are we on a 12 hour clock now or do we start the clock on the 21st?

If need be, anyone trading with you wants the same player, so, you could just pcik him and then trade him...

If need be, anyone trading with you wants the same player, so, you could just pcik him and then trade him...

True.

A surprise selection brings Mario Lemieux to the river Rhein to Germany. Everyone in the hockeyworld is surprised that he is willing to play for an apple and an egg compared to the salaries that would be waiting for him in NA. "Well", Mario shrugged "I guess I like Leberknödel". This outspokenness about his professional attitude left the reporters speechless.

Looking forward to this....Now we play the waiting game !

This game sucks, let's play hungry hungry hippos.

This game sucks, let's play hungry hungry hippos.

doh...stole my line...I used that in another thread awhile back as well. Mr.Plow.

All right, where will the first goalie go?

I'm gonna say 7th

All right, where will the first goalie go?

I'm gonna say 7th

I hope so.

I guess about 9.

This game sucks, let's play hungry hungry hippos.

HAHAHAHAHA, classic.

All right, where will the first goalie go?

I'm gonna say 7th

I would be tempted to choose Roy right now... The question for me is, which goalie will be available at #55 when I make my second selection ?

Did raleh's alarm clock not go off this morning? I thought he'd be checking in several times during the night, waiting to announce the selection he has always wanted.

BTW, a little common courtesy: do not mention the names of players not selected yet. I understand the requisite jokes involving Tie Domi and Wade Belak. But in terms of All-Time Draft calibre players not drafted yet, please don't mention them, or even give hints about them. Thank you.

Did raleh's alarm clock not go off this morning? I thought he'd be checking in several times during the night, waiting to announce the selection he has always wanted.

BTW, a little common courtesy: do not mention the names of players not selected yet. I understand the requisite jokes involving Tie Domi and Wade Belak. But in terms of All-Time Draft calibre players not drafted yet, please don't mention them, or even give hints about them. Thank you.

Hey, don`t mention the guys I want to steal late round.

I would be tempted to choose Roy right now... The question for me is, which goalie will be available at #55 when I make my second selection ?

Don`t worry, there will be one or two left.

Hey, don`t mention the guys I want to steal late round.

I was thinking of picking Belak with my first pick. Is that a bad thing?

I was thinking of picking Belak with my first pick. Is that a bad thing?

Yes... Richard Zemlak, unless someone makes a steal, will still be available.

Don`t worry, there will be one or two left.

Hopefully, there will be a top 8 goalie for me !

I was thinking of picking Belak with my first pick. Is that a bad thing?

arrbez will beat you to it.

arrbez will beat you to it.

Hell yeah.

Most versatile player in the league, perennial 30G/40A/100P threat, and even won a fight once. Wade is the total package.

Hopefully, there will be a top 8 goalie for me !

Well, 28 teams, not everyone can have a top8. But you could trade Wayne for a top8 and a pick.

The Maroons have an hour to go or they're gonna miss out on a pretty good player.

The Maroons have an hour to go or they're gonna miss out on a pretty good player.

I would hate to see Raleh get skipped, especially because he traded up to get my #5 pick. He told me via PM which player he wants to draft, but he wasn't clear on whether I could post it if he's not here.

I will probably post his pick before time expires because we're all relatively sure about who he wants.

I would hate to see Raleh get skipped, especially because he traded up to get my #5 pick. He told me via PM which player he wants to draft, but he wasn't clear on whether I could post it if he's not here.

I will probably post his pick before time expires because we're all relatively sure about who he wants.

Yeah go for it. Better than letting him miss out on the guy he traded up to get.

Yeah go for it. Better than letting him miss out on the guy he traded up to get.

I agree. Sacrificing a 2nd and then not even getting the player he likes.

I would hate to see Raleh get skipped, especially because he traded up to get my #5 pick. He told me via PM which player he wants to draft, but he wasn't clear on whether I could post it if he's not here.

I will probably post his pick before time expires because we're all relatively sure about who he wants.
Not an issue. pnep is up next. He's in Russia, and won't be on-line until later this evening.

Just to reiterate: If you know you're not going to be on-line for a few hours, please do the right thing and PM your pick to another GM who picks after you. Guys like myself, pitseleh and Murphy2 can access HF for most of the day. BM, LL and Spit are very trustworthy, too. If you don't, you're just screwing everyone else over.

The Maroons have an hour to go or they're gonna miss out on a pretty good player.

I dont think he should be skipped for this pick. HockeyOutsider should post his selection very soon if we do not here from him. How can we skip someone at this stage of the draft ?

Not an issue. pnep is up next. He's in Russia, and won't be on-line until later this evening.

Just to reiterate: If you know you're not going to be on-line for a few hours, please do the right thing and PM your pick to another GM who picks after you. Guys like myself, pitseleh and Murphy2 can access HF for most of the day. BM, LL and Spit are very trustworthy, too. If you don't, you're just screwing everyone else over.

I am always online also...

On behalf of my cross-town rivals, the Montreal Maroons select RW Rocket Richard with the #5 pick. The Rocket was hockey in Quebec for most of his career and is a top five goal-scorer, top five power forward, and top five playoff performer.

Sorry guys, I had class all morning, didn't know what time Mario would be picked. Thanks HO for making that pick, the maroons are are really excited about having the Rocket.

Just to clarify, I can usually be online after about noon pacific time. On weekends I'm available all day.

Yeah go for it. Better than letting him miss out on the guy he traded up to get.
He also told me who he wanted, so go ahead

Sorry guys, I had class all morning, didn't know what time Mario would be picked. Thanks HO for making that pick, the maroons are are really excited about having the Rocket.

Just to clarify, I can usually be online after about noon pacific time. On weekends I'm available all day.
Honestly, raleh, you're kind of in that cushy "no man's land" for the draft. Wisent's in Germany, so he's not around in the late afternoon/evening/early night, and pnep's in Russia, so he isn't around between about 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. B.C. time. So there isn't as much pressure on you to get your pick in as there is with other guys in the draft.

Right pick, BTW. How does it feel to finally have The Rocket on your team? I can tell you from personal experience that there's no greater feeling in this draft than selecting your all-time favourite player.

The first five picks have been made, and they went as expected. Now the unpredictability of the draft begins, beginning with Mr. HHOF Monitor himself, pnep.

Picking late in the round is brutal, with all the waiting, which will only get worse when I have to wait 50 picks in between my 2nd and 3rd round selections.

It's going to make this draft very very interesting.

Picking late in the round is brutal, with all the waiting, which will only get worse when I have to wait 50 picks in between my 2nd and 3rd round selections.

It's going to make this draft very very interesting.

You and me both. At least the fact that I'm getting teeth pulled tomorrow will take up some time.

Picking late in the round is brutal, with all the waiting, which will only get worse when I have to wait 50 picks in between my 2nd and 3rd round selections.

It's going to make this draft very very interesting.Yup. I really want to see how the bottom of the first round ends up and how teams 4th lines look in the long run.

You and me both. At least the fact that I'm getting teeth pulled tomorrow will take up some time.

Good luck! I've had 11 teeth pulled and it's never fun, hopefully scheming for the draft keeps you occupied.

Yup. I really want to see how the bottom of the first round ends up and how teams 4th lines look in the long run.
At this rate, we'll be making our picks this weekend.

At this rate, we'll be making our picks this weekend.

Yeah, unfortunately this NA/Europe/NA/Europe/NA stretch will probably take a little longer just based on time zone differences.

Yeah, unfortunately this NA/Europe/NA/Europe/NA stretch will probably take a little longer just based on time zone differences.
I'd suggest that raleh and Wisent swap their picks for Rounds 3-24.

Or people can start PMing others their picks.

Siberian Bears -- Bobby Hull

Well... needs some sleep. At least i know I won't have to pick until AT LEAST 12:20 PM tomorrow.


Edit : Best mis-timing ever to write this...

Don't go to sleep yet, that'd be unfortunate.

Miami Screaming Eagles -- Patrick Roy

Gotta add GM comments and "personnal" comments tomorrow.


Kudos to ShawnMullin for guessing when the 1st goalie will come out.

GM Comments: Leadership, wants winner attitude and competetiveness made Roy stood out of other goaltenders during his career. Proved extremely influential for the developpement of his position. A very tough goaltender, rarely injured in his career. Could have reached 600 victories, had Habs management gave him the clear #1 spot earlier in his career.


Personnal Comments: For one, in a draft with as much as 28 teams, I didn't wanted to be stuck with a lower tier goalie, for the gap between a guy like Patrick Roy and, let's say, one of Mike Richter, Charlie Hodge or Tom Barasso is really, really huge. I intended from the start to pick a goalie if either Orr, Lemieux, Gretzky or Howe were taken by the time I picked, which was quite a given considering I drafted 7th. For the record, Roy went, in AVG., in 10th place in the all-time former drafts, with an all-time high of 7th once (before me) and an all-time low of 14th, so I knew from the start that drafting 7th would probably be okay, only I was scared with somebody else thinking like me, in that in a 28 teams drafts, the lower-tier goalies wouldn't be Clint Benedict(...that's stretching it a little) or Jacques Plante(more like it) anymore. From the data that I have, 7th is the highest a goalie has been drafted, and it occured twice. I could have considered drafting Sawchuck (the other one that went 7th) if Roy would have been drafted by the time I would choose.

My picks are between different people from now on (eagle belfour and kruezer) so hopefully it works out. I'll also start checking in the mornings now.

Also, it does feel incredible to have the Rocket on my team. It feels good enough that I now have to wait over 70 picks to get him some decent linemates!

First two surprises of the draft. pnep goes with the consensus No. 1 LW of all-time, and ensures he will have to clean out his PM box due to all the offers he's about to receive. I don't think Hull's the best player available for a draft that includes a playoff, but he's definitely the best LW on the market.

Didn't think Roy would go at No. 7. I don't think even Hedberg would have picked Roy at No. 7.

The Smokies are still looking to move down in the second round, to somewhere in the 40-50 range. We're looking to move up in the third round as part of the deal.

Maybe next ATD we should decide the draft order by time zone. For example you do a random draw with all GM's that live in the pacific time zone to make your first group of drafters, then repeat the proccess with mountain/central time zone GM's then the easterners etc. to give you an overall draft order. Switch it up after each draft so if the Pacific time gm's get the first selections one draft then the mountain/central time will have the first selections in the next draft, then easterners and so on. Obviously trades can mess with the process but for the most part the draft will go alot smoother if we continue to have 25+ GM's. Just a thought...

Maybe next ATD we should decide the draft order by time zone. For example you do a random draw with all GM's that live in the pacific time zone to make your first group of drafters, then repeat the proccess with mountain/central time zone GM's then the easterners etc. to give you an overall draft order. Switch it up after each draft so if the Pacific time gm's get the first selections one draft then the mountain/central time will have the first selections in the next draft, then easterners and so on. Obviously trades can mess with the process but for the most part the draft will go alot smoother if we continue to have 25+ GM's. Just a thought...
We did that in ATD #5, and it worked okay. Of course, it gives GMs in a certain time zone an unfair advantage at the start of the draft.

I think the better way is to have all the overseas GMs grouped together once one overseas GM's name is pulled. (I think we have three with Wisent, pnep and VanI). As soon as I saw the order, with Wisent and pnep separated by another GM, I knew it was trouble. And this will be repeated 23 more times.

I will try to send my list as soon as I see I could be up soon. Was just the first round and actually I wanted a trade, but it didn`t happen. I want to see this moving too. As far as I know, Novosibirsk is 5 hours ahead of me. Since I draft mostly in the mornings (CET) it should be possible for the next guy to draft in the morning (atlantic) 6 hours later assuming people have to get up anyways. That would mean it is evening in Novosibirsk and pnep could still draft and the next guy would be fine to go. In the even rounds that might get out of whack since pnep is ahead of me. OK, before it gets confusing I just use a list.

I will try to send my list as soon as I see I could be up soon. Was just the first round and actually I wanted a trade, but it didn`t happen. I want to see this moving too. As far as I know, Novosibirsk is 5 hours ahead of me. Since I draft mostly in the mornings (CET) it should be possible for the next guy to draft in the morning (atlantic) 6 hours later assuming people have to get up anyways. That would mean it is evening in Novosibirsk and pnep could still draft and the next guy would be fine to go. In the even rounds that might get out of whack since pnep is ahead of me. OK, before it gets confusing I just use a list.
And just so I'm clear, I'm not opposed to either you or pnep being in the draft. Wiser, I think I learned more from you in the last draft than I have from any other GM in the two drafts I've been in. pnep makes for such a fascinating presence because of his HHOF Monitor. He's probably the only system GM in the draft.

I understand that GMs don't want to PM their first pick. After all, it's the first pick, it's your franchise guy, it's an exciting moment. You want to do it yourself. But first priority has to be ensuring that this thing is done in a prompt fashion. I don't think it's unreasonable to have the champ crowned by mid-July.

And Wiser, you confused me as soon as you started talking about the time zones. Don't explain it, don't even bother trying to explain it, I'm not going to get it.

I will try to send my list as soon as I see I could be up soon. Was just the first round and actually I wanted a trade, but it didn`t happen. I want to see this moving too. As far as I know, Novosibirsk is 5 hours ahead of me. Since I draft mostly in the mornings (CET) it should be possible for the next guy to draft in the morning (atlantic) 6 hours later assuming people have to get up anyways. That would mean it is evening in Novosibirsk and pnep could still draft and the next guy would be fine to go. In the even rounds that might get out of whack since pnep is ahead of me. OK, before it gets confusing I just use a list.

I remember reading through one of the old draft threads and pnep mentioning he only has internet access at work (though I may be mistaken on that).

as others have said, this is going to be interesting with so many more GM's.

Deal in hand between the Las Vegas Thunder and the Detroit Falcons:

To the Detroit Falcons:

9th overall (1st round)
216th overall (8th round)

To the Las Vegas Thunder:

36th overall (2nd round)
92nd overall (4th round)


Need to be confirmed by VanIslander, as he send me this proposal yesterday, but I think every trades need to be confirm with a post heh?

That is an interesting trade and the question that I would have is, is the difference in tallent between #9 and 36 really great enough to offset the difference in tallent between #92 and 216... I personally don't think so, although Detroit is setting themselves up nice in terms of top end tallent in the draft, but will a possible lack of depth be their downfall..

All this and more next week (if not longer) on Drafts of out lives.

And just so I'm clear, I'm not opposed to either you or pnep being in the draft. Wiser, I think I learned more from you in the last draft than I have from any other GM in the two drafts I've been in. pnep makes for such a fascinating presence because of his HHOF Monitor. He's probably the only system GM in the draft.

I understand that GMs don't want to PM their first pick. After all, it's the first pick, it's your franchise guy, it's an exciting moment. You want to do it yourself. But first priority has to be ensuring that this thing is done in a prompt fashion. I don't think it's unreasonable to have the champ crowned by mid-July.

And Wiser, you confused me as soon as you started talking about the time zones. Don't explain it, don't even bother trying to explain it, I'm not going to get it.

Hey, no offence taken. And of course I will use a list next time. Did it last time as well and it worked fine. Was just the first pick. And thanks for the compliment.

I remember reading through one of the old draft threads and pnep mentioning he only has internet access at work (though I may be mistaken on that).

already have inernet at home....

Deal in hand between the Las Vegas Thunder and the Detroit Falcons:

To the Detroit Falcons:

9th overall (1st round)
216th overall (8th round)

To the Las Vegas Thunder:

36th overall (2nd round)
92nd overall (4th round)


Need to be confirmed by VanIslander, as he send me this proposal yesterday, but I think every trades need to be confirm with a post heh?

That trade could be very interesting depending on who he will pick with his 8th rounder. I am not so sure who won this trade. A first is nice but giving up the 2nd and 4th is a very stiff price to pay considering that the big 4 are gone and the difference between the 9th and the 36th is marginal for an alltime draft IMO. It all depends how well the 216th pans out.

wisent and pnep should pick right after each other imo.

there time zones dont mix well.

For all intents and purposes, I'm in a foreign time zone, just cause I'm most likely to make my picks at 2am PST. But I'm dilligent in sending in picks.

I know that in the last draft I said I would choose a certain goalie with my first pick this time, and I know that the top 5 goalies will all be gone by the time my second pick comes up....BUT...when the best combination of talent and toughness ever on the blueline is still available, I simply can't pass over him:

Buffalo selects:

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/gallery/000039/000011412.jpg

EDDIE SHORE

Excellent pick. I'd probably've taken Shore if I picked 5th, so I'd be very happy to get him at 8th.

One mean sucker. And that's a good thing.

Excellent pick. I'd probably've taken Shore if I picked 5th, so I'd be very happy to get him at 8th.

One mean sucker. And that's a good thing.

I agree, I actually thought about taking him at 4. But it`s Mario....

First two surprises of the draft. pnep goes with the consensus No. 1 LW of all-time, and ensures he will have to clean out his PM box due to all the offers he's about to receive. I don't think Hull's the best player available for a draft that includes a playoff, but he's definitely the best LW on the market.

Didn't think Roy would go at No. 7. I don't think even Hedberg would have picked Roy at No. 7.

Position scarcity !

So do we have a trade or not with VanI and the Eagle? If we do, hopefully VanI will confirm it ASAP.

BTW, good pick, reck. I remember you had Shore in your first draft. Familiarity is such an advantage.

So do we have a trade or not with VanI and the Eagle? If we do, hopefully VanI will confirm it ASAP.

BTW, good pick, reck. I remember you had Shore in your first draft. Familiarity is such an advantage.

Yes, I already made my pick, so when he confirme, I will immediatly pick.

Probably going to be gone for most of the afternoon.

The #10 pick has been traded, so when the other GM announces it, don't bother waiting for me to confirm. He can make his selection, let's keep the round moving.
The trade is:

To Barrie Flyers:

#10 (1st round)
#215 (8th round)

To Detroit Red Wings

#24 (1st round)
#89 (4th round)

I am also attempting to further trade #10 but am still waiting a response. However, I will not hold up the draft by waiting as I think I know who he will pick (depending on who gets picked at #9) & I am Ok with keeping the player if the trade is a no go.

Well I'm still here so might as well confirm again

VanIslander has been dealing with a personal issue over the last couple of days.

For the immediate future I'll be handling his pick here, but rest assured this is still his team and I'm just the helper monkey.

He said there were trade offers for this pick he had been considering, but due to time constraints and not having the offers here I'll just make the pick instead.

Mullin, I was under the impression that VanI had accepted EagleBelfour's offer?

VanIslander has been dealing with a personal issue over the last couple of days.

For the immediate future I'll be handling his pick here, but rest assured this is still his team and I'm just the helper monkey.

He said there were trade offers for this pick he had been considering, but due to time constraints and not having the offers here I'll just make the pick instead.

Before making the pick, could you please consider the trade we had between VanIslander and me? We had an agreement together, and I really hope this agreement will be accepted by you.

Mullin, I was under the impression that VanI had accepted EagleBelfour's offer?

Absolutely, I really hope Mullin don't choose a player and accept the offer me and Van had aggreed upon. I still have the PM, so if you want the proof, just ask me.

With the 9th selection in the draft, the Las Vegas Thunder are thrilled to add...

***EDIT TO REMOVE PICK DUE TO CONFUSION ABOUT A POSSIBLE TRADE***

Hold on, my apologies... he DID make a deal? I had no such confirmation.

The problem is that VanI never confirmed, but Eagle seemed sure enough that the deal had been done that we almost made a deal involving that pick! Also, there's a player available that pappy is most likely going to take now, but my guess is that's who Eagle wanted. I don't know what happens in a situation like this. Most likely, if VanI doesn't confirm then the pick is his.

Hold on, my apologies... he DID make a deal? I had no such confirmation.

Yes I had do it, and I post it but he hasn't confirmed it yet.

I feel like the Quebec Nordiques

Here's what Van sent me this morning _EXCLUDING_ the reason for his departure since that's too personal...

***EDIT TO REMOVE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS NOW THAT IT'S NO LONGER RELEVANT***

I want to act in good faith and not taint the process at all, especially given my status as simply acting for Van... so basically what I want to clear up is if there was confirmation or not.

If there was I would surely step back and allow the trade to go on.

Here's what Van sent me this morning _EXCLUDING_ the reason for his departure since that's too personal...

"VanIslander
Registered User


Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,377
My Photos: ()
vCash: 500 make the decision

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Quote:
Originally Posted by shawnmullin
Dude, if Doug Harvey falls to 9th you HAVE to take him, eh

go for it! make the pick.

*BLANKED OUT PERSONAL*

i have two g.m.s willing to trade up to get our pick, but my mind is too blank and preoccupied

use your best judgement, review team strategy, and act accordingly (trade or pick)

talk to you in a couple of days


Well do whatever you want ... I can't force you but I had a deal in hand.

For the record, my personal view of this e-mail exchange was that it was part of a negotiation and not so much a deal.

This is the message as forwarded to me:

***EDIT TO REMOVE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS NOW THAT IT'S NO LONGER RELEVANT***

Good luck! I've had 11 teeth pulled and it's never fun, hopefully scheming for the draft keeps you occupied.

Thanks seems to have went ok...I had it about a few hrs ago and am recovering...no pain yet just lots of bleeding, lol. Looking forward to the draft and seeing what falls to me to keep me occupied.

I will hold off on the #10 pick until this is sorted out to everyone's satisfaction. As I said before, I am trying to trade this pick & am waiting for a reply . I assume the clock is not running on my pick yet. When you are negotiating across time zones the 12 hour limit is not enough.

Yeah, I would agree with you on that Mullin. I guess Pappy is up now.

I don't want to make a big mess of things, if the consensus is I should consider it a trade and move on than I'm willing to do so.

For the moment I feel like it was unofficial... but it certainly could be determined that Van was willing to make the move.

OK clouding this even more, he's sent me further messages...

***EDIT TO REMOVE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS NOW THAT IT'S NO LONGER RELEVANT***

Again I don't feel like this is actual confirmation, but it's _somewhat_ hazy

Where's the arbitrator ;)

Perhaps it was better I'm NOT in the draft, look at the mess I caused!

OK clouding this even more, he's sent me further messages...



Again I don't feel like this is actual confirmation, but it's _somewhat_ hazy

Where's the arbitrator ;)

Well, if I would of wait before posting, I would of understand, but the second I read this email, I post it on this thread.

I just pissed a bit because there's really thiso ne player I REALLY want and it's been two days I'm trying to go up in the draft to get him. But you know, these emails is the all I got. If after that you, or other people think that isn't a confirmation, well make your pick and move on. Pretty frustrating but not the end of the world I guess.

Ha! I suggest we wait for BM to read this whole thing and make the decision.

OK clouding this even more, he's sent me further messages...



Again I don't feel like this is actual confirmation, but it's _somewhat_ hazy

Where's the arbitrator ;)

Perhaps it was better I'm NOT in the draft, look at the mess I caused!

you didn't cause this.

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you didn't cause this.

Yea, I'm not blaming you at all for all this, your doing your job and what you think it's right for your team.

You know what, forget it. As an act of good faith... I considered it and Van was willing to make the move even if he didn't confirm the deal itself. I'm somewhat blinded by my own love of *EDIT TO REMOVE PICK* in the matter.

Just so there's nothing negative or controversial hanging over the process and no one feels slighted by it, lets just do 'er then.

The worst thing that'll come of this is that the Thunder gets incredible depth instead of a huge stud right out of the gate... and I can certainly understand Eagle's frustration... so I'll be a good sport about it and lets just forget this ever happened and I'll just confirm the deal.

Consider it official and sorry for the mess and time it took.

i made an offer and didn't hear back about it... simple as that

the next day i heard my mother was in a car crash on the weekend, me overseas and can't even be there. now she's dead after time in hospital.

shawnmullin is the new head g.m. and can do what he wants

my head is on twisted... i'm sure you guys understand... take care

i made an offer and didn't hear back about it... simple as that

the next day i heard my mother was in a car crash on the weekend, me overseas and can't even be there. now she's dead after time in hospital.

shawnmullin is the new head g.m. and can do what he wants

my head is on twisted... i'm sure you guys understand... take care

OMG. I don't really know you as this is my first draft but my god you and your family will be in my prayers. Be strong and god bless.

i made an offer and didn't hear back about it... simple as that

the next day i heard my mother was in a car crash on the weekend, me overseas and can't even be there. now she's dead after time in hospital.

shawnmullin is the new head g.m. and can do what he wants

my head is on twisted... i'm sure you guys understand... take care

Oh wow, man how sorry I am to hear that. I hope the best for you and your family.

I'm a little shock myself, do whatever you think it's right Shawnmullin and move on ...

i made an offer and didn't hear back about it... simple as that

the next day i heard my mother was in a car crash on the weekend, me overseas and can't even be there. now she's dead after time in hospital.

shawnmullin is the new head g.m. and can do what he wants

my head is on twisted... i'm sure you guys understand... take care

Van that's a terrible tragedy and our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

In light of that news it all seems pretty minor doesn't it? But as I stated a few posts up, I'm willing to abide by the unconfirmed offer. It's not like I feel as though we'd be ripped off by the process.

For ease and comfort on all sides I'll just accept the deal so we can move forward.

And again my condolences Van.

Van,

My condolences on your tragic loss.

pappyline

Thank You Shawnmullin for your understanding and again, my condolence to VanIslander.

The Detroit Falcons will take C Jean Béliveau. A big portrait of my pick will be written on the roster thread.

My condolences to you, VanIslander. That is a terrible thing to happen.
Take your time to mourn.

I am so sorry about your loss VanIslander. My condolences.

That's terrible news, VanIslander. I think I speak for everyone in the draft when I say we're behind you and praying for you on this one. I think I also speak for everyone in the draft when I say how much you mean to this process, with your contributions in terms of trades, commentary and overall ideas. We're going to miss you, buddy, but you have to do what's best for your family, and while we all love this draft, I think we all realize it's pretty insignificant compared to what you're going through.

I've said to him privately and I'll say it publically... this is his team the second he decides he's ready to come back. No questions asked, no doubt about it.

In the mean time, if anyone else wants to move a 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounder Las Vegas is actively looking to add a pick in these rounds to attempt to make up for the lack of a first round pick.

VanIslander-- So sorry to hear the terrible news. I want to give my deepest condolences to you and your family. We'll all be praying for you.

My condolences to you and your family VanIslander, really sorry to hear of such bad news.

VanIslander,

Sorry to hear the awful news. I want to give my deepest condolences to you and your family. I'll be praying for you.

That is terrible to hear VI, my condonlences to you and yours.

Van thats awful news my friend. My heart goes out to you and yours. Losing a parent is always difficult ordeal to work through. All of us send out sincerest sentiments and stength for when you need it. We are here for you my brother!!

shawnmullin is the new head g.m. and can do what he wants




shawn the ball is in your court play it pick it or trade it.

I all ready did LL

And Eagle picked Beliveau

i made an offer and didn't hear back about it... simple as that

the next day i heard my mother was in a car crash on the weekend, me overseas and can't even be there. now she's dead after time in hospital.

shawnmullin is the new head g.m. and can do what he wants

my head is on twisted... i'm sure you guys understand... take care

Wow. I shudder to think how you must be feeling. My heart goes out to you.

I all ready did LL

And Eagle picked Beliveau

lol who did you take?

must hadmissed that i saw the belivieu pick

lol who did you take?

must hadmissed that i saw the belivieu pick

I believe he traded the pick to Eagle who then picked Beliveau though I'm not sure of the details of the trade.

To the Detroit Falcons:

9th overall (1st round)
216th overall (8th round)

To the Las Vegas Thunder:

36th overall (2nd round)
92nd overall (4th round)

That's the deal.

i made an offer and didn't hear back about it... simple as that

the next day i heard my mother was in a car crash on the weekend, me overseas and can't even be there. now she's dead after time in hospital.

shawnmullin is the new head g.m. and can do what he wants

my head is on twisted... i'm sure you guys understand... take care

Our prayers are with you Van. Take care, and come back whenever you're ready.

who is on the clock now anyway

I believe it's now pappyline's turn, since he announced a trade for the #10 on the last page.

My deepest sympathies and condolences to VanIslander. We are all thinking of you.

I believe it's now pappyline's turn, since he announced a trade for the #10 on the last page.

I can guarantee who pappyline traded up to get with this pick.

I can guarantee who pappyline traded up to get with this pick.
Yeh but it didn't work & I am trying to work out another deal

Ahhh, so Detroit & Barrie are currently in last minute talls with the deadline looming.

What does he mean it didn't work? I thought spitfire confirmed the deal and he has the 10th overall pick, what am I missing here?

No idea. I am waiting for BM67 to show up and clarify it all. (Drunk, being a student is great)
BTW, anyone for trading 4th and 5th rounders?

To the Detroit Falcons:

9th overall (1st round)
216th overall (8th round)

To the Las Vegas Thunder:

36th overall (2nd round)
92nd overall (4th round)

That's the deal.

I believe he traded the pick to Eagle who then picked Beliveau though I'm not sure of the details of the trade.

so was beliveau picked?

Yeah, in this post LL:

Thank You Shawnmullin for your understanding and again, my condolence to VanIslander.

The Detroit Falcons will take C Jean Béliveau. A big portrait of my pick will be written on the roster thread.

So pappy could have picked but is now trying to trade it? It appears he is offline now, this only slows the draft! Look into a trade beforehand please.

So pappy could have picked but is now trying to trade it? It appears he is offline now, this only slows the draft! Look into a trade beforehand please.
Been waiting since 7:00 AM for someone to sign on, read my PM & give me an answer. Not my fault that it has slowed things down. I started this process well in advance of my turn. Blame it on the time zones.

Been waiting since 7:00 AM for someone to sign on, read my PM & give me an answer. Not my fault that it has slowed things down. I started this process well in advance of my turn. Blame it on the time zones.

My trade offer sent via PM still stands if interested. Thx.

Been waiting since 7:00 AM for someone to sign on, read my PM & give me an answer. Not my fault that it has slowed things down. I started this process well in advance of my turn. Blame it on the time zones.
If it's the GM I think you're referring to, I'm guessing you won't hear back from him until 11 p.m. or midnight ET.

So, the next pick need to be done before 2AM right?

Barrie Flyers select Doug Harvey.

That is an interesting trade and the question that I would have is, is the difference in tallent between #9 and 36 really great enough to offset the difference in tallent between #92 and 216... I personally don't think so, although Detroit is setting themselves up nice in terms of top end tallent in the draft, but will a possible lack of depth be their downfall..

All this and more next week (if not longer) on Drafts of out lives.

It is true that this trade could be in the advantage of the Las Vegas Thunder. However, I believe, even though I'm a new GM, in my abilities to draft a great team. Moreover, this trade allowed me to pick Jean Beliveau, which I believe is a steal in my position.

After the consensus top-4 of Gretzky, Orr, Howe and Lemieux, I believe that Jean Beliveau was the best player available: before the Rocket, before Harvey, Shore and Hull. Beliveau could be considered as the best all-around player ever. His leadership is what will solidified the spirit of my team and I considered him as the greatest captain ever. For the one who have no idea who Beliveau his (people looking at the whole all-time draft process to learn about hockey), think of this year Vincent Lecavalier, but better in every aspect of the game, on and off the ice.

If I would of have to ''settle'' for Doug Harvey, which would of been my choice if Beliveau was taken, perhaps I would of considered this deal as a bad one for myself. In my situation, I can't.

(Also happy that I got a slightly better deal than pappyline :))

It is true that this trade could be in the advantage of the Las Vegas Thunder. However, I believe, even though I'm a new GM, in my abilities to draft a great team. Moreover, this trade allowed me to pick Jean Beliveau, which I believe is a steal in my position.

After the consensus top-4 of Gretzky, Orr, Howe and Lemieux, I believe that Jean Beliveau was the best player available: before the Rocket, before Harvey, Shore and Hull. Beliveau could be considered as the best all-around player ever. His leadership is what will solidified the spirit of my team and I considered him as the greatest captain ever. For the one who have no idea who Beliveau his (people looking at the whole all-time draft process to learn about hockey), think of this year Vincent Lecavalier, but better in every aspect of the game, on and off the ice.

If I would of have to ''settle'' for Doug Harvey, which would of been my choice if Beliveau was taken, perhaps I would of considered this deal as a bad one for myself. In my situation, I can't.

(Also happy that I got a slightly better deal than pappyline :))
I think it's a great deal for the Falcons. In this draft, now that we have a playoff, Beliveau's value is higher than it would be without a playoffs. He's a 10-time Cup champion. He is, for my money, the best leader in the history of the game. He conducted himself with the utmost class off the ice, but on the ice, he could get dirty when he had to. Big, strong, physical with superb skill. He's an intangibles machine, and intangibles is often the deciding factor when it comes time for the playoffs. Eagle has to surround Beliveau with top-notch talent, to be sure, but even with 28 teams, there's lots of talent to be found.

I think Eagle and pappy both did a great job to move into the top 10 of the draft. IMO, there's a big drop-off after the top nine: Orr, Gretz, Gordie, Mario, the Rocket, Beliveau, Shore and Harvey. A goalie at No. 7 borders on being a wasted pick. There are at least 15, maybe 20 goalies, in this draft who are capable of stealing a series and being the first star in a series.

Harvey is still a great pick at No. 10. I traded up to get him in my first draft. A six-time Cup champ, a seven-time Norris winner, a 10-time first team all-star. There's something to be said about being the best defenceman on the best team in NHL history. He's the true ace defenceman that pappy/murray didn't have in the first draft. Considered by many to be the best defensive defenceman ever, and he put up good numbers considering he played at a time when defenceman were strongly discouraged from joining the rush.

Harvey is still a great pick at No. 10. I traded up to get him in my first draft. A six-time Cup champ, a seven-time Norris winner, a 10-time first team all-star. There's something to be said about being the best defenceman on the best team in NHL history. He's the true ace defenceman that pappy/murray didn't have in the first draft. Considered by many to be the best defensive defenceman ever, and he put up good numbers considering he played at a time when defenceman were strongly discouraged from joining the rush.

Harvey was 2nd in points and 1st in assists amoung defencemen in the 1950's and averaged 37 points per 70 games (3rd best) (70games=full season in the 50's). Edit: He also led all defecemen in playoff scoring 6 times, and totaled 32 more playoff points than his nearest opponent in the 50's.

I think that Beliveau at 9 and Harvey at 10 are awesome picks and definately steals. Roy going insanely early really opened the door for Eagle and Pappy to get better picks than their draft number would suggest. Obviously I think Shore went to early (as long as he goes before Harvey I will always think that), but I have nothing but respect for reckoning and my opinion (which is likely in the minority) means nothing when he's making his team!

Although he got in my opinion the second greatest defenceman of all time, something tells me that pappy isn't happy with the pick he has as there's a first rounder he's had in every draft he's ever been in!

The three picks I'm really looking forward to are GBC's, Evil Speaker's, and Hockey Outsider's. Three really unpridictable gms who will likely end up in the top 5 of this draft. In a 28 team league these guys won't just pick "the best player available" so I'm interested to see what kind of strategies they'll be working with.

The three picks I'm really looking forward to are GBC's, Evil Speaker's, and Hockey Outsider's. Three really unpridictable gms who will likely end up in the top 5 of this draft. In a 28 team league these guys won't just pick "the best player available" so I'm interested to see what kind of strategies they'll be working with.

Puuuuulease, these three are going down, everyone knows by now how predicatble you guys are are.

You want unprecictabilty? The Barrie Flyers are about to build a team with Harvey instead of Hull. Thats going to be a team to watch, good thing you dismissed ny offer pappy for your 1 st pick ( iI was in there trying, fellow GM's)

Whats midly amussing is, I can leave work, drop one kid off at practice, pick another one up with her friend and drop her off at the local jr B game in town, go play a semi final rec game myself and WIN go drink a bunch a beer and...

Come here to see 1 entire pick has been made in that time. I think I'm going to sleep in tomorrow, my first round pick isn't happening until Sunday.

I go back to school on April 30th. I'm hoping to get my 2nd pick in by then.

IMO, Hull is a double edge sword. On the one hand, an unstoppable goal scoring machine. On the other hand, he doesn't work well with others, so he's hard to build around, he's a stand alone player.

When I check the alltime drafts of the past, Roy always goes very high. So actually it is not very surprising that he was picked in the top10 again. I wouldn`t do it because it basically robs you of a high impact forward but someone always picks him.

With 28 gm's drafting, a Patrick Roy becomes even more valuable. It's not that bad a pick, really.

Today we should be able to get more picks done. No more all too different time zones and the GMs that draft today are here often.

I agree with GBC. I think ultimately if you're able to get a top 10 pick you should take it.

Ideally I'd have just kept it, but considering the circumstances I think I can make the best of it and hopefully have terrific depth.

Some further comments on the first 10 picks.

I had traded up to 10 to get Hull & probably would have got him if not for PNEP. I knew I was in trouble when I looked at PNEP's HOF monitor & saw Hull at # 5. I have always thought that Hull is an absolute steal any pick above 5 and that Beliveau & the Rocket have always been over-rated. Both were very good players who played with great teams that won a lot of cups. There is a definite mythology surrounding Richard and Beliveau . For all his accomplishments & cups Beliveau really only had one season when he was the most dominant player (1956) wheras Hull was the dominate player over the decade 1959-69. I would pick Hull, Shore, & Harvey ahead of Richard & Beliveau. I think in this draft Beliveau was finally picked about where he deserves.

Nalyd mentioned that Hull was hard to build a team around. I would disagree as you didn't need star players on the Hull line. you could concentrate on stocking your other 3 lines. The Hull line was a good line no matter who was on it. As far as not fitting with other players, the Hull line for the Jets pretty much shoots down that argument.

Failing to get Hull, I am pretty happy to get Harvey at #10. I would rank him just slightly behind Shore (sorry, Raleh) and think that he, above all others, was the key player on Habs 10 straight years in the finals & 6 cups during the 50's. What I remember most about him was the way he could control the game by controlling the pace. He was somewhat Gretzy like in his ability to see the entire ice & use other players effectively.

Harvey is my all-time fave and a steal at 10 IMO. Anyone who scores on his own goal to see the Sudbury Wolf gets an extra bump in my book. Best bi-polar defenseman ever.

What I remember most about him was the way he could control the game by controlling the pace. He was somewhat Gretzy like in his ability to see the entire ice & use other players effectively.

So true, probably best player all-time to control the pace of a game.

I am looking top move up in the second round, around pick #40, anyone interested ? We could work out something with my pick #55 and picks in the third and or fourth round.

Evil Sather's 12 hours are now up, so if arrbez is around he's free to make his pick.

The three picks I'm really looking forward to are GBC's, Evil Speaker's, and Hockey Outsider's. Three really unpridictable gms who will likely end up in the top 5 of this draft. In a 28 team league these guys won't just pick "the best player available" so I'm interested to see what kind of strategies they'll be working with.

You want unpredictable? Wait until I choose Taro Tsujimoto (http://www.sabresfans.com/history/DraftPicks.asp)!

I think all of the first ten picks were reasonable. Some of the players went a few spots too early (Roy) or late (Beliveau), but it's been a good start so far.

I think that Beliveau at 9 and Harvey at 10 are awesome picks and definately steals. Roy going insanely early really opened the door for Eagle and Pappy to get better picks than their draft number would suggest. Obviously I think Shore went to early (as long as he goes before Harvey I will always think that), but I have nothing but respect for reckoning and my opinion (which is likely in the minority) means nothing when he's making his team!



Roy averaged 10th place in the previous drafts, and went 7th once before I took him. Sawchuck also went 7th once. I thought of trading down (I could have, really) but was afraid of missing either Gros Bill or Roy in doing so. Roy never went later than 14th, and that was the very draft were Sawchuk was drafted 7th. I just don't see how that translates into "early". I was extremely surprised to see Harvey before Beliveau, even though I'm not really surprised that Harvey went 2nd amongst D-Mens. I guess it's about how you want to build your team. And as I said in my comments : the gap between the best starting goaltender and the worst starting goalie will be much bigger, and I would not have drafted before 52th or 53th.

Holy cats gentlemen this is going BEYOND slowly. Certainly the controversy over pick #9 had something to do with it, but wow.

Holy cats gentlemen this is going BEYOND slowly. Certainly the controversy over pick #9 had something to do with it, but wow.
I have the Speaker's pick, so as soon as arrbez picks, I will announce the Speaker's pick. At least he understands the need of having more than two picks per day.

But yeah, this thing is moving at the speed of molasses. If it doesn't change soon, I will motion for a six-hour limit, with GMs automatically skipped once they are missed once. PM your picks.

I have the Speaker's pick, so as soon as arrbez picks, I will announce the Speaker's pick. At least he understands the need of having more than two picks per day.

But yeah, this thing is moving at the speed of molasses. If it doesn't change soon, I will motion for a six-hour limit, with GMs automatically skipped once they are missed once. PM your picks.Yup. Crosby might be a legit 1st rounder by the time I pick. I mentioned it in the sign up thread and we might need it just to keep up the pace. Is anyone up for a rapid fire round or more? I work on the weekends but I'll submit a list to anyone but kruz.

Evil Sather's 12 hours are now up, so if arrbez is around he's free to make his pick.

It would be a shame to skip him at this point of the draft, but this is taking a little more time then it should....

The New York Rangers select ... RW Guy LaFleur? Really?

Guyyyy. LaFleurrrrr. Yeah. Yeah. He plays D right?

BTW, I was at on 8 pm last night and no pick. Sorry guys.

Nalyd mentioned that Hull was hard to build a team around. I would disagree as you didn't need star players on the Hull line. you could concentrate on stocking your other 3 lines. The Hull line was a good line no matter who was on it. As far as not fitting with other players, the Hull line for the Jets pretty much shoots down that argument.

That's exactly why he's tough to build around. Do you make it 2/3rds of a checking line? Do you make a scoring line divided in two?

You may like him, but I'd trade down if I got him because I can't visualize lines of the same dynamic that I can with similarly skilled players.

With the 12th pick overall, The Aurora Tigers are proud to select:

Raymond Bourque

One of the most dominant two-way players ever, Ray Bourque holds the NHL record for post-season first-team all-star selections with 13. His 19 total post-season all-star team selections are second only to Gordie Howe's 21.

He scored at a point-per-game pace or higher an incredible 15 times, and is currently 9th in NHL history in points, and 4th in assists. He is 10th all-time in playoff scoring, and finally got the championship he so richly deserved in 2001. He leads all defencemen in goals, assists, and points. He is +528 for his career.

He represented Canada '82, '85, '88, and '98, and is regarded as one of the classiest players to ever lace them up. His leadership and grace will be well received by the Tigers.

GM Arrbez is extremely happy to welcome him aboard, and (as is customary), looks forward to retiring his jersey.

I have the Speaker's pick. The Boston Bruins are pleased to select:

C/LW Mark Messier

Yup. Crosby might be a legit 1st rounder by the time I pick. I mentioned it in the sign up thread and we might need it just to keep up the pace. Is anyone up for a rapid fire round or more? I work on the weekends but I'll submit a list to anyone but kruz.
Come on now, do I not seem trustworthy? :D

As an aside, its your turn to get him this time, I know you know who I mean.

Woohoo, three picks in a row, let's get the ball going and going and going ....

I have the Speaker's pick. The Boston Bruins are pleased to select:

C/LW Mark Messier

not bad value for arguably the most complete forward ever.

not bad value for arguably the most complete forward ever.
No, Gordie Howe is the most complete forward ever. Rocket Richard, Jean Beliveau, Bobby Hull and numerous other forwards were more complete than Messier.

I would say that Messier is the best combination of goal scoring ability and physical play in the last 30 years. But back in the Original 6 days and even pre-Original 6, all the scorers could hit and fight and play in their own zone.

I think there are better players available than Messier, but I think Messier's value is higher considering what else he brings to a team. There are forwards out there who can play a scoring line or a checking line role, or a scoring line or physical line role. Messier can play on your scoring lines, or on a physical line. But what sets him apart from others is he can do it at centre or left wing.

Anyways, LL is now on the clock, and LL is very reliable. Lebda should be making his pick this afternoon.

No, Gordie Howe is the most complete forward ever. Rocket Richard, Jean Beliveau, Bobby Hull and numerous other forwards were more complete than Messier.

I would say that Messier is the best combination of goal scoring ability and physical play in the last 30 years. But back in the Original 6 days and even pre-Original 6, all the scorers could hit and fight and play in their own zone.

I think there are better players available than Messier, but I think Messier's value is higher considering what else he brings to a team. There are forwards out there who can play a scoring line or a checking line role, or a scoring line or physical line role. Messier can play on your scoring lines, or on a physical line. But what sets him apart from others is he can do it at centre or left wing.

Anyways, LL is now on the clock, and LL is very reliable. Lebda should be making his pick this afternoon.

Hence "arguably". The word "complete" factors in his ability to bring versatility that others simply cannot as he is never out of place on any line and his ability to raise his game when it matters most.

If anybody is interested in trading there 2nd rounder, I would like to trade up from my third if possible, send me a PM.

Roy averaged 10th place in the previous drafts, and went 7th once before I took him. Sawchuck also went 7th once. I thought of trading down (I could have, really) but was afraid of missing either Gros Bill or Roy in doing so. Roy never went later than 14th, and that was the very draft were Sawchuk was drafted 7th. I just don't see how that translates into "early". I was extremely surprised to see Harvey before Beliveau, even though I'm not really surprised that Harvey went 2nd amongst D-Mens. I guess it's about how you want to build your team. And as I said in my comments : the gap between the best starting goaltender and the worst starting goalie will be much bigger, and I would not have drafted before 52th or 53th.

I think I picked him 6th overall in the 2nd all-time draft :amazed:. Probably not something I'd do again but it's not that bad a pick.

Still ended up with a pretty good team that draft....:D

Peter Forsberg – Gilbert Perreault – Jari Kurri
Michel Goulet – Jacques Lemaire – Guy Lafleur
Brenden Shanahan – Jean Ratelle – Dave Taylor
John Ferguson – Mike Modano – Claude Provost
Martin St.Louis

Nicklas Lidstrom – Serge Savard
Rob Blake – Jack Stewart
Ulf Samuelsson – J.C. Tremblay
Eric Desjardins

Patrick Roy
Frank Brimsek
Mike Vernon

Of course, we only had something like 14 GMs back then and the dispersal draft occured in that one.


This draft is going to be very different from the others with players falling and rising drastically from where they normally go. I mean, is anyone really going to be picking utility guys in the top 100 when they don't even have a 1st line Centre?

Anyways, LL is now on the clock, and LL is very reliable.

And Predictable :D

Oh man, Speaker was probably salivating over the posibility of having Bourque!

And Predictable :D

yah think I havent aclue who i should take

I got ashort list of 4

i would had taken bourque or messier had they been available.

Riight now I am mulling through some profiles to see who will be my cog player

yah think I havent aclue who i shoudl take I got ashort list of 4

i would had taken bourque or messier had they been available.

Riight now I am mulling through some profiles to see who will be my cog player

You get yr teeth out yet LL? I think it was you that was getting your wisdoms out...I'm too lazy to look back. I got mine out yesterday...recovering...

You get yr teeth out yet LL? I think it was you that was getting your wisdoms out...I'm too lazy to look back. I got mine out yesterday...recovering...

yes i am hopefully i had a nasty infection for a week today it has subsided too whew

yes i am hopefully i had a nasty infection for a week today it has subsided too whew

infection from the teeth removal?

Looking to move my picks #55 and #58 for a +-#35 and +-#75 pick. Anyone interested ?

The Toronto Maple Leafs select perhaps the most gifted sniper ever

#20 Mike Bossy RW


He was a magical player who always seemed to materialize with the puck in scoring position with the puck on his stick. He simply was unafraid of suceeding. It was never too late in the game for Bossy to score. Known for his powerful shot, he was among the league's goal scoring leaders and considered one of the greatest bona-fide snipers of the game

"When he shoots, it doesn't even look like he touches the puck. He swoops on it like a jai alai player would. He's got the quickest hands I've ever seen on a hockey player, even quicker than Rocket Richard's" - Al Arbour

He was the first player to reach 50 in 50 since rocket richard did it 36 yrs before. Early on in juniors scouts percieved mike to be a timid player. This changed when he entered the nhl. He matured he learned to be a more complete player then his offensive contemparies like Gretzky and Lemieux Bossy did have strong defensive awareness in his own zone and became a regular with penalty-killing duties.

Mike never played long enough for his skills to diminish, his scoring averages remain quite high. Bossy averaged .762 goals per game in the regular season, more than any other player in NHL history, and .659 in the playoffs, second only to Mario Lemieux at .710

Many regard Bossy along with Lemieux (as well as Bobby Hull and Richard) as the best pure goal scorers ever to play the game

The most 50-or-more goal seasons list is headed by Mike Bossy (nine times). On top of that, Mike Bossy has four Stanley Cup rings to his credit. He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1991 and had his number retired by the Islanders.

Reg Season 752 573 553 1126
Playoffs 129 85 75 160

Calder Memorial Trophy (1978)
Conn Smythe Trophy (1982)
First All-Star Team Right Wing (1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986)
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (1983, 1984, 1986)
Second All-Star Team Right Wing (1978, 1979, 1985)

The Saskatoon Blues are proud to select Denis Potvin to anchor the blueline.

The New York Islanders drafted Denis Potvin first overall in 1973 to serve as the foundation of their developing expansion team. He surpassed all expectations and became the first NHL defenseman to score 1,000 career points, all while functioning as the cornerstone of the franchise's four consecutive Stanley Cup championships from 1980 to 1983. Potvin's wealth of natural talent allowed him to jump into the offensive rush while serving as a tough physical presence in his own end of the rink. He was one of the most complete blueliners to ever step onto the ice. A less discussed facet of Potvin's game was his mean streak. Opposing forwards learned quickly that they were better served avoiding confrontations with one of the NHL's lesser-known tough guys.

The native of Ottawa, Ontario, excelled at football and hockey as a youngster. Having opted to pursue the latter, he made the Ottawa 67s of the Ontario Hockey Association in 1968-69. Potvin enjoyed an outstanding junior career, registering 329 points in five seasons. He was often paired with the offensively gifted Ian Turnbull to form one of the most lethal blue line partnerships ever seen in junior hockey circles. During Potvin's last year in Ottawa, he established an OHA single-season record for defensemen with 123 points.

As the highly touted first pick in the 1973 Amateur Draft, Potvin quickly made his presence felt in the NHL. He amassed 54 points in 1973-74 while displaying the confidence of a ten-year veteran. Potvin was the obvious choice in the Calder Trophy voting at the conclusion of the season. That year he also lived out a dream by playing with his brother Jean, who remained with the club for nearly five years. Potvin emerged as one of the leaders of a rapidly improving Islanders squad that reached the Stanley Cup semifinals in only its third season.

Following the 1975-76 campaign, Potvin was awarded the Norris Trophy, an honour he also received in 1978 and 1979. He experienced his most productive offensive output in the last of those years with 101 points. Between 1980 and 1983, he captained New York when they became only the second team in NHL history to win the Stanley Cup four times in succession (Montreal did it twice). His overtime goal in the 1980 finals against Philadelphia gave his team the momentum and confidence it needed to win its first title. Potvin's top post-season output occurred in 1980-81, when he recorded 25 points in 18 games.

The talented defenseman distinguished himself on the international stage through his play on Canada's 1976 and 1981 Canada Cup teams. He retired at the conclusion of the 1987-88 season with regular-season totals of 310 goals and 1,052 points. Potvin also registered 56 goals and 164 points in the playoffs. In addition to his four major trophies, Potvin was selected to the NHL First All-Star Team five times and the Second All-Star Team twice.

The leadership qualities demonstrated by Potvin, along with his exceptional talent at both ends of the ice, placed him in a category reserved for only a handful of NHL defensemen. The Ottawa 67s hosted a special gala in his honour and raised his number to the rafters of the Ottawa Civic Center. Following a game on March 31, 1988, a cheering Nassau Coliseum audience paid homage to his career when his number 5 sweater was retired. Potvin was elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1991 and the ceremony was held in his hometown of Ottawa for the first time.

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=P199102&type=Player&page=bio&list=ByName#photo

Good work today boys, nice to see us get on a little bit of a roll.

Good work today boys, nice to see us get on a little bit of a roll.
It looks like vancity is off line (he'll show up for 30 minutes past his last activity). Hopefully he'll be back soon and quick with his pick. And with reliable vets like HFF, Murphy2, BM, myself and HO, and Eagle (who appears to be around a lot) we should be able to put a serious dent into this round today.

The Toronto Maple Leafs select perhaps the most gifted sniper ever

Mike Bossy

bio to follow

After the four best player were taken with the first four pick (a little drop), the next 10th were taken with pick 5 to 14. No big surprise so far, but now the fun begin, as you can start looking down the chart and takes some players a little bit ''off the chart''.

Forgot to add, sorry to anyone who pm'd a proposal for the #10 and didn't get a reply. There were about 10 of you and my message box was close to full. I'm pretty sure I got back to everyone but if I missed someone sorry about that, I know it sucks to not hear back.

It looks like vancity is off line (he'll show up for 30 minutes past his last activity). Hopefully he'll be back soon and quick with his pick. And with reliable vets like HFF, Murphy2, BM, myself and HO, and Eagle (who appears to be around a lot) we should be able to put a serious dent into this round today.

Back. I'll pick in about 5 minutes.

After the four best player were taken with the first four pick (a little drop), the next 10th were taken with pick 5 to 14. No big surprise so far, but now the fun begin, as you can start looking down the chart and takes some players a little bit ''off the chart''.
To me, it got wide open after #10. And will stay in tier 3 'til about the end of the 1st round.

To me, it got wide open after #10. And will stay in tier 3 'til about the end of the 1st round.

after #11 its wide open to about 15 players yes

but not to 50 players;)

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT:

to vancityluongo:

1st round pick, 27th Overall
2nd round pick, 30th Overall
4th round Pick, 86th Overall

to #66:

1st round pick, 16th Overall
2nd round pick, 41st Overall
4th round pick, 97th Overall

#66, you're up.

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT:

to vancityluongo:

1st round pick, 27th Overall
2nd round pick, 30th Overall
4th round Pick, 86th Overall

to #66:

1st round pick, 16th Overall
2nd round pick, 41st Overall
4th round pick, 97th Overall

#66, you're up.Confirmed!!!

With pick #16 Les A's is proud to select "the Mitchell Meteor", "the Stratford Streak", "the Canadien Comet"... Howie Morenz

Morenz also contributed to the Canadiens' consecutive Stanley Cup wins in 1930 and 1931. His blinding speed and puckhandling wizardry were key factors in Montreal's upset win over Boston in the 1930 finals. The Bruins had finished the regular season with an astonishing 38-5-1 record, and they were prohibitive favourites to win the Cup, but the Habs swept the best-of-three series. In 1931 Montreal defeated Chicago in a hard-fought struggle that lasted five games. In the deciding match, a 2-0 Canadiens win, Morenz scored the insurance goal despite playing with a badly injured shoulder.

Morenz was one of the dominant offensive forces in the league in the late 1920s and early 1930s. He scored a league-high 51 points in 1927-28 and was presented with the Hart Trophy. Two years later he registered an incredible 40 goals in 44 games. In 1930-31, he won his second Hart Trophy and scoring title with another 51-point season. Morenz was also selected to the NHL's inaugural First All-Star Team in 1931. The following year he scored 49 points in 48 games and was awarded his third Hart Trophy in five seasons as well as another spot on the First All-Star Team.

wee, my guy still lasts.

Pick coming within the hour.

pretty easy decision.

The Portland Buckaroos are proud to select:

Phil Esposito.

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The Edmonton Oilers select: 'Terrible' Ted Lindsay

This guy would have put me over the top last draft.

The Edmonton Oilers select: 'Terrible' Ted Lindsay

This guy would have put me over the top last draft.

woah, that's going ''almost'' too fast! Don't tell me I'M gonna pick tonight. I wouldn't of believed that if you would of told me!!!

(BTW, nice pick, I love Lindsay!)

woah, that's going ''almost'' too fast! Don't tell me I'M gonna pick tonight. I wouldn't of believed that if you would of told me!!!

(BTW, nice pick, I love Lindsay!)
BM will probably pick within the next hour or two, and I'll be right after him. So you and HO, and maybe even kruez and Spit, should be able to pick tonight.

Eight picks in about five hours. For all the newcomers this year: This is how we frickin' do it in the All-Time Draft.

No real surprises, though. I think there are definitely better players out there than Bossy. But with Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, Hull and Richard gone, Bossy is unarguably the best goal scorer available. And there wasn't anybody else like him available. He's a very unique player in NHL history.

Lindsay's a great pick. There's a definite drop-off from Hull to Lindsay at LW, but there's an even bigger drop off from Lindsay to the rest of the LWs. Might not be the best player available, but when you look at the other LW options, it's a very strong pick. Especially when you add Lindsay's grit and leadership into the mix.

You can't go wrong with Morenz after the top 10 or 12 picks, either.

Am I the only one who's shocked that Evil Sather didn't pick Messier?

Messier is the ultimate playoff performer, enough said.

BTW - thanks for announcing my pick GBC.

You get yr teeth out yet LL? I think it was you that was getting your wisdoms out...I'm too lazy to look back. I got mine out yesterday...recovering...

Wow, you're surprisingly coherent for somebody who got their teeth out yesterday. I remember I was very drugged for at least 2-3 days afterwards.

It's great to see the draft speed up. Lots of solid picks tonight. I'll be here, ready to make my pick, until around 2 am (EST). If not, I'll send a list to somebody.

Wow, you're surprisingly coherent for somebody who got their teeth out yesterday. I remember I was very drugged for at least 2-3 days afterwards.

It's great to see the draft speed up. Lots of solid picks tonight. I'll be here, ready to make my pick, until around 2 am (EST). If not, I'll send a list to somebody.

I'll be going back tommorrow morning as I think one is infected but I have had no pain going on 30+ hrs now which is suprising and nice and I agree lots of good players going off the board of late.

I'll be going back tommorrow morning as I think one is infected but I have had no pain going on 30+ hrs now which is suprising and nice and I agree lots of good players going off the board of late.
I believe there are five more positional players before the next drop off. That means that everyone through kruezer should be able to get a strong pick. If anyone chooses a goalie, or someone picks a player out of order, then guys like Spit, JFF and pwnasaurus might get a shot at one of those five.

I'M ready to hear affers about my 21st pick. However, I don't wanna drop more than 5 spot (so I want to get a pick between 22nd and 26th) I don't know how feasible is that, but if you have anything in mind, PM me. If you have MSN messenger, I prefer chatting with you than answering PM's so you can add me: mathieu_joyal@hotmail.com

Am I the only one who's shocked that Evil Sather didn't pick Messier?

If you look back, I only picked him once now in five drafts. Sure I love him, but I don't want to consistantly pick the same guys; that's the same team. I've been heavily defensive top heavy:

X2: Bourque, Chelios, Leetch, Langway, Foote, Konstantinov, Niedermeyer (whee!)
X3: Potvin, Robinson, Salming, Howe, Suter, Lowe, Greschner
X4: Harvey, Chelios, Foote, Suter, Engblom, Johansson, Hatcher

In X5 I had better goaltending and an impressive group of forwards including a line of Propp-Messier-Neely, which alone would have won me a couple of series with Parent in net; still, I very rarely had gamebreaking forwards (like a LaFleur) and I think that was always held against me. My teams have been kind of taken for granted I think: great defense, veyr good goaltending goaltending, an intelligent choice for coach and a solid army of forwards but never that "wow" guy.

I'm not entirely sure how my team is going to end up but I felt I should mix it up a bit.

It will take me a bit to put my selection together, so if anybody with a 1st remaining or a couple of 2nds wants my pick make me a quick offer.

This is pretty exciting, we may even get to my pick tonight if all goes well.

BTW, if anyone needs someone to send a list to for tonight, I should be around until at least Midnight PST.

No real surprises, though. I think there are definitely better players out there than Bossy. But with Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, Hull and Richard gone, Bossy is unarguably the best goal scorer available. And there wasn't anybody else like him available. He's a very unique player in NHL history.



and the guy is a winner too

4 cups baby!

The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select to anchor their defense a player who helped guide his team to the playoffs every season of his 20 year career, and with an eye popping +730 for his career

Larry Robinson (http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/spot_oneononep199502.htm)

Robinson first turned professional with the Nova Scotia Voyageurs of the American Hockey League and helped them win the 1971-72 Calder Cup, the first Canadian-based team to do so. Later that year Robinson joined the Canadiens, winning his first Stanley Cup in his rookie year. He went on to help his team win the Cup many more times, including four in a row from 1976 to 1979 and one more in 1986. This last one was a surprise win for Montreal, and commentators remarked that Robinson seemed to come alive in the playoffs against the Boston Bruins after being elbowed by Bruin Louis Sleigher.

Robinson played 17 seasons for the Canadiens and then three more for the L.A. Kings, from 1989 to 1992. He won the Norris Trophy twice as the league's best defenseman in the 1976-77 and 1979-80 seasons and the Conn Smythe Trophy in 1977-78. Not only was Robinson a great defensive player, he was also very good with the puck. He held the NHL record for most playoff games at 227, until surpassed by Mark Messier, and the most consecutive years in the playoffs with 20. He also became a veritable regular in All-Star games, playing in 10 of them. His final NHL totals were impressive: 208 goals, 750 assists and 958 regular-season points as well as 144 points in 227 playoff games.

Internationally, Robinson represented Team Canada in the 1976, 1981 and 1984 Canada Cup tournaments. All three were Canadian victories. In 1981 he represented Canada in the World Championship and was named to the tournament All-Star team. - HHoF Bio (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p199502&type=Player&page=bio&list=ByName#photo)

Robinson played for 17 years in Montreal and saw playoff action in every one of those seasons. The "Big Bird", whose game was all about skating, passing, and puck control, was awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy in 1978. This member of six Stanley Cup teams was smooth and fast on his blades, an imposing presence, and a quarterback of colossal ability.

"There have been many tough guys in the NHL who could stamp out trouble but usually they had to beat up somebody to do it. In Larry's case, he would just skate into the middle of any trouble or confusion on the ice and things would straighten out automatically. He always was able to take control of most situations." - Scotty Bowman

The Trail Smoke Eaters are pleased to select a player who embodies the character, talent, versatility and winning attitude that we covet so much:

D/C Leonard "Red" Kelly

Career highlights:
*Eight-time Stanley Cup champion (1950, 1952, 1954, 1955, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1967)
*Inducted into the HHOF in 1969
*Inducted into the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame in 1975
*First-ever winner of the Norris Trophy in 1954
*Last defenceman to win the Lady Byng Trophy. Four-time Lady Byng winner (1951, 1953, 1954, 1961)
*Six-time first-team all-star (1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957)
*Two-time first-team all-star (1950, 1956)
*Was one of the best defencemen ever when he switched to centre with the Toronto Maple Leafs.
*No. 22 on the THN Top 100 list.

I believe there are five more positional players before the next drop off. That means that everyone through kruezer should be able to get a strong pick. If anyone chooses a goalie, or someone picks a player out of order, then guys like Spit, JFF and pwnasaurus might get a shot at one of those five.

Please don't advise the people picking before me on what positions to focus or not focus on sir...ty

Please don't advise the people picking before me on what positions to focus or not focus on sir...ty
I was just making a statement about depth, which is something I've done a few times in the draft. Guys like BM, HO, Spit, JFF and kruezer are veteran GMs. They know who they want. I don't think my statement is going to influence them at all.

I was just making a statement about depth, which is something I've done a few times in the draft. Guys like BM, HO, Spit, JFF and kruezer are veteran GMs. They know who they want. I don't think my statement is going to influence them at all.

I was more referring to lumping in taking a goalie with taking someone "out of order". Though I agree I'm sure they are more than capable of using their own depth charts for certain.

I was just making a statement about depth, which is something I've done a few times in the draft. Guys like BM, HO, Spit, JFF and kruezer are veteran GMs. They know who they want. I don't think my statement is going to influence them at all.

No...put your picks will...agh!

Was hoping for Robinson, followed by Kelly

They are an advantage and a disadvantage of making my last deal. Obviously, the advantge is getting one of the best player of all-time, whos undeniable skillset and leadership abilities made him one of the best player to build a team around. However, the disadvantage is that I lose some depth in the process.

As a goaltender myself, I was always fascinated by this position. I've read and read, and watch and read again about about everything that surrounded this special position, including reading about all these goaltenders who have made history.

While looking at all-time lists for the best goaltenders, rarely do I see this goaltender pop up at first. However, I firmly believe that he's the best goaltender who ever played hockey.

Six Vezina, one Hart trophy and 435 wins in the national hockey league, he will always be remembered as the first goaltender to permanantely wear the mask. However, he invented way more than that: he revolutionized the goaltending style. Covering the angle, always positionnaly sound, he was also the first goaltender to periodically going out of his net to help his defenseman. I have his book at home, call ''The Art of Goaltending''. It's delicious read for whoever have the chance to find it.

I feel I maybe leaving some great talent on the board, particulary a great smallish center. However, with my first pick of Jean Beliveau, and my next pick way down to #77, I feel it's the best move for my teams.

My father always told me that a goaltender was counting for half of a team. Well, at least I know half my team will perform amazingly come playoff time. With their second selection in this draft, the 21st overall, the Detroit Falcons are very proud to choose, from Shawinigan, Quebec, goaltender Jacques ''Jake the Snake'' Plante

No...put your picks will...agh!

Was hoping for Robinson, followed by Kelly

No kidding. I guess it was wishful thinking that one of the two would drop to me.

The Trail Smoke Eaters are pleased to select a player who embodies the character, talent, versatility and winning attitude that we covet so much:

D/C Leonard "Red" Kelly

Career highlights:
*Eight-time Stanley Cup champion (1950, 1952, 1954, 1955, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1967)
*Inducted into the HHOF in 1969
*Inducted into the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame in 1975
*First-ever winner of the Norris Trophy in 1954
*Last defenceman to win the Lady Byng Trophy. Four-time Lady Byng winner (1951, 1953, 1954, 1961)
*Six-time first-team all-star (1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957)
*Two-time first-team all-star (1950, 1956)
*Was one of the best defencemen ever when he switched to centre with the Toronto Maple Leafs.
*No. 22 on the THN Top 100 list.

Highest scoring defenceman of the 50's and tallied by far the most goals with 145, the 2nd highest goal scorer tallied 77. An interesting note on Kelly is that although Harvey won more Norris trophies than him, Kelly actually edged Harvey in Hart Voting. Kelly placed 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, Harvey placed 3rd, 5th, 5th, 5th.

No...put your picks will...agh!

Was hoping for Robinson, followed by Kelly
Was Kelly the best player available? Probably not. Was he the best centre available? Far from it. But was he the best defenceman available? Damn straight, especially after Larry Robinson was picked. (Incidentally, I did have Kelly rated ahead of Robinson as far as a player goes, but I have Robinson ahead of Kelly as far as defencemen, if it makes any sense).

We went into this wanting one of the big 7 defencemen. We got that. Kelly's an ace. There are a couple players out there who are better, but I don't think there are any out there who are more valuable.

Harvey was continuously compared to Kelly in a non-favorable way until he was able to show the Habs brass/press and fans that he was able to play "his" game and be effective. Which involved ragging the puck in front of his own net way to much for everyone's liking until he proved that he could do it mistake free for a long period of time.

They are an advantage and a disadvantage of making my last deal. Obviously, the advantge is getting one of the best player of all-time, whos undeniable skillset and leadership abilities made him one of the best player to build a team around. However, the disadvantage is that I lose some depth in the process.

As a goaltender myself, I was always fascinated by this position. I've read and read, and watch and read again about about everything that surrounded this special position, including reading about all these goaltenders who have made history.

While looking at all-time lists for the best goaltenders, rarely do I see this goaltender pop up at first. However, I firmly believe that he's the best goaltender who ever played hockey.

Six Vezina, one Hart trophy and 435 wins in the national hockey league, he will always be remembered as the first goaltender to permanantely wear the mask. However, he invented way more than that: he revolutionized the goaltending style. Covering the angle, always positionnaly sound, he was also the first goaltender to periodically going out of his net to help his defenseman. I have his book at home, call ''The Art of Goaltending''. It's delicious read for whoever have the chance to find it.

I feel I maybe leaving some great talent on the board, particulary a great smallish center. However, with my first pick of Jean Beliveau, and my next pick way down to #77, I feel it's the best move for my teams.

My father always told me that a goaltender was counting for half of a team. Well, at least I know half my team will perform amazingly come playoff time. With their second selection in this draft, the 21st overall, the Detroit Falcons are very proud to choose, from Shawinigan, Quebec, goaltender Jacques ''Jake the Snake'' Plante
Eagle, you'll be happy to know that I think Plante's the best ever, and I'm not the only one in this draft who has him at No. 1. Strong pick.

Eagle, you'll be happy to know that I think Plante's the best ever, and I'm not the only one in this draft who has him at No. 1. Strong pick.

Yep, I have him at number one as well. Great way to start your team.

The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select C Stan Mikita. He has every quality we look for in franchise player:

- Excellent offense. Mikita won 4 Art Ross trophies. He finished in the top five in scoring nine years in a row. Most importantly, Mikita made his teammates, like Kenny Wharram, much better players. While Mikita's playmaking skills are renowned, his goal-scoring might be underrated. He was runner-up in goals three times, and finished in the top ten seven years in a row.

- Strong playoff performances. Mikita helped the Hawks win the Stanley Cup in 1961 and led the playoffs in scoring in 1962. Mikita ranked third all-time in playoff points when he retired, and sixth in playoff points per game (min 100 gp).

- Intangibles. Mikita was one of the top defensive players of his era. He was known for shutting down opponents with a combination of crushing checks, smart positional play, and quick poke checks. He was an aggressive, physical player for the first several years of his career (during his first two Art Ross seasons). While he became a clean player later in his career, his defensive play did not seem to suffer.

- Recognition as a top player. Few players have a many awards as Mikita. He won two Hart trophies and was a finalist six times. Mikita won four Art Ross trophies, 1 Conn Smythe (* retroactive) and was an eight-time all-star. He retired third all time in points (both for regular season and playoffs).

"One of the most clever and successful forwards in league history, Stan "Stosh" Mikita won awards in numbers not seen again until Wayne Gretzky arrived in the NHL."

(For the record, EagleBelfour, I also have Plante as my #1 goalie).

The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select C Stan Mikita. He has every quality we look for in franchise player: (more added soon)
How long did it take to make up your mind on that one? Definitely the best position player available. You get the inaugural championship, and now you get Mikita.

Thought long and hard about Mikita, but in the end, I felt defencemen of Kelly's calibre were harder to come by than centre's of Mikita's calibre.

I didn't really follow the last draft but I am following this draft quite closely and I must say all the picks have been really good. I don't know if it was the same as the last draft or not.

Eagle, you'll be happy to know that I think Plante's the best ever, and I'm not the only one in this draft who has him at No. 1. Strong pick.

Thanks. I do not feel alone anymore :o. When I see some people putting Brodeur and Hasek ahead of Plante ... oh well, let's just say I feel bad!

The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select C Stan Mikita. He has every quality we look for in franchise player: (more added soon)

I already had Béliveau, so my choice was easier, but If I had choose a D instead of a C, I would of definitely thought about Mikita, and perhaps taking him instead. He was definitely the best player available, nice pick.

I didn't really follow the last draft but I am following this draft quite closely and I must say all the picks have been really good. I don't know if it was the same as the last draft or not.

Yeah, seems pretty solid. This draft is gonna get REALLY interesting in the middle rounds, much more so than the last ones.

With 20 GM's in the last draft, there were 460 players being picked. While it got a little slim near the end, everybody had a star-studded lineup. With nearly 200 more players to be picked this time, I think it'll bring in a lot more strategy as far as which positions you draft first, etc.

Nice To See Some Picks Being Made. Having Computer Trouble. Should Be Fine By Tomorrow. Ive Been Following Via My Cell. Was Just Making Sure I Could Post This Way If I Have To.

Nice To See Some Picks Being Made. Having Computer Trouble. Should Be Fine By Tomorrow. Ive Been Following Via My Cell. Was Just Making Sure I Could Post This Way If I Have To.

They have the internet on cell phones now? Jebus...

I like how it capitalizes every word, btw. It brings a certain aura of prestige.

This was a good day of drafting, if Kruezer shows up soon it looks like we may get 4-5 more picks in tonight.

Patience isn't really my thing so I'm really itchin to see how the teams start taking shape. With this many teams it's pretty interesting trying to decide when to take a goalie, should you wait for the big stud defenseman, is so and so going to be available? It seems much tougher trying to decide this draft.

BTW, the best goalie ever hasn't been drafted yet..................;)

BTW, the best goalie ever hasn't been drafted yet..................;)

You're wrong, you're terribly WRONG. I don't wanna hear BLABLABLAHAAAAAA *start running* ;)

All come down to opinions, I think you can make a case for three goaltenders, two of them were taken so far ...

well I've probably got another hour left in me and then it's wait until morning.

You can't go wrong with Morenz after the top 10 or 12 picks, either.

Am I the only one who's shocked that Evil Sather didn't pick Messier?Morenz is an all time top 15 player IMO. As soon as he didn't get picked in the top 15 I made a move. His speed and all out effort should fit well for the type of team I'm going for. Plus I've always wanted to draft him anyway.

As for Evil, I'm shocked that he didn't take a defenseman.

Nice pick with Kelly. I've always thought he went to low in these drafts and doesn't get the repect he deserves when people put together all time defenseman lists. His numbers are outstanding and the fact that he played a great defensive game makes him even better.

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BTW, the best goalie ever hasn't been drafted yet..................;)[/QUOTE]

He sure hasn't! Guess the top three goalies are going to be picked 3-2-1. :)

check your PM's. :)

Trade

To Portland: 1st (24) and 4th (103)

To Detroit: 2nd (40) and 3rd (73)

Kruezer is still on the clock there HFF, you may want to delete that post. ;)

Kruezer is still on the clock there HFF, you may want to delete that post. ;)

kruezer is in the west so i imagine he will be on later


gosh there is 9 hrs left on the clock

whoops, cheers for the heads up. Too excited after the Canuck game, I just assumed that Spit was up next.

Ah well.. I have a defenseman in mind in case that backfired.

:sarcasm:

confirm the deal.

Well, I missed who you picked anyway HFF, and for the record LL I am currently in Sudbury.

Also, I really hate you right now HO, as I read through the picks I thought I had Mikita for sure, then you stole him right out from under me, fantastic pick, I think Stosh is really underrated all time.

That said, The Seattle Metropolitans are proud to add 5 time cup champion center Bryan Trottier.

cheers. Great pick, I had him in the last draft (before trading him for Mikita funny enough.)

Portland is proud to select the best goaltender of all-time:

Dominik "The Dominator" Hasek.

I think it's fascinating how everyone has a different opinion on who the best goalies are. I'm personally torn between Hasek and Plante for #1, but arguments can be made for 5 goalies. I really look forward to seeing teams take shape.

#66, Morenz is a great pick, one of the best goal scorers ever, and, he put butts in the seats. One of the first big ticket draws in hockey.

EagleBelfour, your early depth may take a hit, but Beliveau/Plante is a brilliant 1-2 punch that could set you up VERY nicely in the playoffs.

kruezer I always thought u were in the west cause of ur late hrs on hf.

To everyone having a 2nd (around 30) I offer my 2nd and my 4th for their 2nd and their 6th.

Announcement of a trade:
In a surprise move, Lemieux leaves Mannheim (the Leberknödel were not as good as he thought) to go to St. Louis
Lemieux, 10th and 15th
2nd, 3rd and 8th

St. Louis, please confirm

St. Louis Confirms.

The idea of Mr. Hockey and The Magnificent One teaming up was a dream that pipes' daren't have. And yet, I saw the slim possibility, so I persued it.

The cost is high, sacrifices to other parts of our team were made. But the end result is a 1-2 punch that cannot be matched in the history of pro-sports. (Ok, Gehrig-Ruth maybe.)

Wow, that's ballsy. On one hand, you won't get to pick for another 80 turns or so....on the other hand, Howe and Lemieux!!!!

I Believe It Is My Selection. Can Someone Confirm? I Can Read Posts And Reply, But I Can't Access My Pm's. Working On A 1 And A Half Inch Screen At The Moment.

Wow, that's quite the trade. How and Lemieux indeed!!!

I Believe It Is My Selection. Can Someone Confirm? I Can Read Posts And Reply, But I Can't Access My Pm's. Working On A 1 And A Half Inch Screen At The Moment.

Yeah, its your turn now. And would you trade your 2nd and 6th for my 2nd and 4th?