All-Time Draft #7, Part III

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BM67
04-18-2007, 09:44 PM
Draft #7, Part I (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=359511)

Draft #7, Part II (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=364940)


The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 3 goalies, 7 defensemen, 13 forwards and a coach.

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed.

The time limit is 9 hours for your pick. Dropping by 1 hour for each skipped pick. If you miss 2 picks you become eligible for replacement.

GMs on a lower limit
vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - 8 hours
Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - 8 hours


You must PM the next GM after your selection.

Any player from any league or era are eligible, but their selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future.

The role of "The Lone Elvi" will now be played by "Frightened Inmate #2".

Draft Order

Round #1
1 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Bobby Orr
2 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Gretzky
3 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Gordie Howe
4 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Mario Lemieux
5 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Maurice Richard
6 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bobby Hull
7 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Patrick Roy
8 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Eddie Shore
9 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean Beliveau
10 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Harvey
11 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Guy Lafleur
12 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ray Bourque
13 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Mark Messier
14 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
15 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Denis Potvin
16 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Howie Morenz
17 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Phil Esposito
18 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Ted Lindsay
19 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Larry Robinson
20 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Red Kelly
21 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Plante
22 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Stan Mikita
23 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bryan Trottier
24 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dominik Hasek
25 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Bobby Clarke
26 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Terry Sawchuk
27 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Joe Sakic
28 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glenn Hall

Round #2
29 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Niklas Lidström
30 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Yzerman
31 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Chris Chelios
32 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Martin Brodeur
33 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Dryden
34 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Jaromir Jagr
35 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Brad Park
36 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Valery Kharlamov
37 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladislav Tretiak
38 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Viacheslav Fetisov
39 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Stevens
40 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Al MacInnis
41 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Billy Smith
42 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bernie Parent
43 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tim Horton
44 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pierre Pilote
45 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Bernie Geoffrion
46 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Paul Coffey
47 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Turk Broda
48 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jari Kurri
49 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Gilbert Perreault
50 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Frank Mahovlich
51 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bill Durnan
52 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Dit Clapper
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Earl Seibert
54 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Peter Forsberg
55 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Brett Hull
56 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Charlie Conacher

Round #3
57 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Milt Schmidt
58 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Chris Pronger
59 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Börje Salming
60 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Sergei Fedorov
61 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Max Bentley
62 pnep - Siberian Bears - King Clancy
63 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Syl Apps Sr.
64 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Johnny Bower
65 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Brian Leetch
66 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dickie Moore
67 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Marcel Dionne
68 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Henri Richard
69 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Andy Bathgate
70 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scott Niedermayer
71 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Peter Stastny
72 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Newsy Lalonde
73 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Ted Kennedy
74 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
75 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Cook
76 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Joe Malone
77 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Serge Savard
78 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Sprague Cleghorn
79 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bill Gadsby
80 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Guy Lapointe
81 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Brendan Shanahan
82 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jacques Laperriere
83 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Aurel Joliat
84 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cyclone Taylor

Round #4
85 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Ron Francis
86 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Sergei Makarov
87 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Cam Neely
88 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mark Howe
89 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Clint Benedict
90 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Rod Langway
91 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Elmer Lach
92 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Bentley
93 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Grant Fuhr
94 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Boucher
95 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Black Jack Stewart
96 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Johnny Bucyk
97 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bill Quackenbush
98 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dale Hawerchuk
99 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Guy Carbonneau
100 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Brimsek
101 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Eric Lindros
102 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Pavel Bure
103 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Tony Esposito
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Murphy
105 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Yvan Cournoyer
106 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Boris Mikhailov
107 pnep - Siberian Bears - Teemu Selanne
108 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Toe Blake
109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Sid Abel
110 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Butch Bouchard
111 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - George Hainsworth
112 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexei Kasatonov

Round #5
113 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Adam Foote
114 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Lionel Conacher
115 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Valeri Vasiliev
116 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Rob Blake
117 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Cy Denneny
118 pnep - Siberian Bears - George Boucher
119 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Tom Johnson
120 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Chuck Gardiner
121 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tiny Thompson
122 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Vladimir Konstantinov
123 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Ed Belfour
124 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ebbie Goodfellow
125 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Walter "Babe" Pratt
126 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Doug Gilmour
127 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Mike Gartner
128 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dave Keon
129 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Doug Wilson
130 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Nels Stewart
131 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Alexander Maltsev
132 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Jiri Holocek
133 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Marcel Pronovost
134 raleh - Montreal Maroons - J.C. Tremblay
135 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Clark Gillies
136 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Busher Jackson
137 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Art Ross
138 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Bill Cowley
139 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jarome Iginla
140 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Carl Brewer

Round #6
141 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Adam Oates
142 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Patrik Elias
143 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Phil Housley
144 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Luc Robitaille
145 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Gump Worsley
146 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Michel Goulet
147 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Igor Larionov
148 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Alex Delvecchio
149 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Lanny McDonald
150 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Barber
151 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Darryl Sittler
152 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Denis Savard
153 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Gerry Cheevers
154 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Jacques Lemaire
155 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Sundin
156 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Shutt
157 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Pat Lafontaine
158 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Brian Propp
159 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dino Ciccarelli
160 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Mike Modano
161 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Sergei Zubov
162 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Vaclav Nedomansky
163 pnep - Siberian Bears - Norm Ullman
164 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Anders Hedberg
165 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - David "Sweeney" Schriner
166 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Ken Reardon
167 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Frank Nighbor
168 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Red Horner

Round #7
169 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexander Ragulin
170 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Harry Cameron
171 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Anatoli Firsov
172 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Craig Ramsay
173 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Cecil "Babe" Dye
174 pnep - Siberian Bears - Joe Nieuwendyk
175 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Harry Howell
176 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Jean Ratelle
177 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Allan Stanley
178 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Rod Brind'Amour
179 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Gary Suter
180 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vsevolod Bobrov
181 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Rod Gilbert
182 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Zdeno Chara
183 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Randy Carlyle
184 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Ace Bailey
185 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Rick Tocchet
186 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ching Johnson
187 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Vladimir Petrov
188 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Claude Provost
189 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Glenn Anderson
190 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Leo Boivin
191 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Bert Olmstead
192 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Fern Flaman
193 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Syd Howe
194 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Joe Primeau
195 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Joe Thornton
196 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Punch Broadbent

Round #8
197 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dick Duff
198 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Alexander Mogilny
199 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Bill White
200 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Scotty Bowman, coach
201 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pat Stapleton
202 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bernie Federko
203 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Paul Kariya
204 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Jimmy Thomson
205 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Don Luce
206 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - John Tonelli
207 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Rick Middleton
208 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Esa Tikkanen
209 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Roy Conacher
210 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Eric Desjardins
211 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Dave Andreychuk
212 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Rick Martin
213 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - John Leclair
214 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Jere Lehtinen
215 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Mohns
216 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Bryan Hextall Sr
217 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Claude Lemieux
218 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Alexander Yakushev
219 pnep - Siberian Bears - Jean Guy Talbot
220 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Danny Gare
221 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Clarence "Hap" Day
222 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Derian Hatcher
223 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wendel Clark
224 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Joe Hall

Round #9
225 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Markus Naslund
226 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Butch Goring
227 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Tim Kerr
228 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - George Armstrong
229 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Gary Roberts
230 pnep - Siberian Bears - Toe Blake, coach
231 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Woody Dumart
232 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Kevin Stevens
233 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Hooley Smith
234 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Jan Suchy
235 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Kevin Lowe
236 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Art Coulter
237 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bob Nystrom
238 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Vernon
239 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bill Mosienko
240 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Frank McGee
241 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Wayne Cashman
242 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Mike Peca
243 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Goldham
244 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Dale Hunter
245 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Doug Jarvis
246 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Kirk Muller
247 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Brad McCrimmon
248 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Ed Litzenberger
249 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Herb Gardiner
250 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Craig MacTavish
251 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bob Pulford
252 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Babe Siebert

Round #10
253 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Sylvio Mantha
254 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Rick MacLeish
255 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dave Taylor
256 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Steve Larmer
257 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Elmer "Moose" Vasko
258 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Brent Sutter
259 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Terry Harper
260 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Brian Sutter
261 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Joel Otto
262 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Trevor Linden
263 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Flash Hollett
264 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Ulf Samuelsson
265 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Theoren Fleury
266 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Terry O'Reilly
267 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bobby Baun
268 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ted Green
269 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Rob Ramage
270 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Vladimir Krutov
271 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Al Arbour, coach
272 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tom Barrasso
273 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Ken Morrow
274 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Bobby Smith
275 pnep - Siberian Bears - Joe Mullen
276 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gordie Drillon
277 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ken Linseman
278 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Mats Naslund
279 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Reg Noble
280 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Mike Richter

Round #11
281 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Jacques Lemaire, coach
282 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Billy Burch
283 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Frantisek Pospisil
284 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Barry Beck
285 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ed Westfall
286 pnep - Siberian Bears - Keith Tkachuk
287 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Mark Recchi
288 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Lionel Hitchman
289 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Paul Henderson
290 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bobby Holik
291 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Mike Ramsey
292 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Jeremy Roenick
293 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dean Prentice
294 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alex Connell
295 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Stan Smyl
296 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Vincent Damphousse
297 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Ken Hodge
298 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Rogie Vachon
299 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Jiri Holik
300 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Gus Mortson
301 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Pete Mahovlich
302 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Herbie Lewis
303 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bob Bourne
304 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Ulf Nilsson
305 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Kent Nilsson
306 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - John Ferguson
307 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - John Madden
308 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Thomas

Round #12
309 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Peter Bondra
310 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Yvon Lambert
311 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Barclay Plager
312 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Pat Verbeek
313 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Neil Colville
314 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Craig Ludwig
315 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Reggie Leach
316 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Marty Pavelich
317 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Stefan Persson
318 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bun Cook
319 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Eddie Giacomin
320 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Vladimir Lutchenko
321 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Don Marcotte
322 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Steve Duchesne
323 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Al Iafrate
324 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Petr Svoboda
325 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ralph Backstrom
326 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Sidney Crosby
327 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Nikolai Sologubov
328 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dirk Graham
329 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Walt Tkaczuk
330 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Lester Patrick, coach
331 pnep - Siberian Bears - Charlie Huddy
332 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Reed Larson
333 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Vitaly Davydov
334 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Phil Watson
335 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Didier Pitre
336 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Neal Broten

Round #13
337 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Bellows
338 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dave Poulin
339 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Martin St. Louis
340 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Mike Ricci
341 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Sid Smith
342 pnep - Siberian Bears - Don Marshall
343 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Doug Weight
344 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Rick Vaive
345 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Paul Thompson
346 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Valeri Kamensky
347 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Edgar Laprade
348 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ron Ellis
349 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Sergei Gonchar
350 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alexander Ovechkin
351 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Vic Hadfield
352 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Chris Drury
353 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Jim Schoenfeld
354 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Craig Hartsburg
355 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Chuck Rayner
356 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Tommy Gorman, coach
357 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dick Irvin, coach
358 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ed Van Impe
359 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Peter McNab
360 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Charlie Simmer
361 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Eddie Gerard
362 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Harry P. Watson
363 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bobby Bauer
364 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Rousseau

Round #14
365 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day, coach
366 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jamie Langenbrunner
367 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Fred Shero, coach
368 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Si Griffis
369 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Tod Sloan
370 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Tommy Ivan, coach
371 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Derek Sanderson
372 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Hod Stuart
373 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Punch Imlach, coach
374 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ernie "Moose" Johnson
375 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Mellanby
376 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Reijo Ruotsalainen
377 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Vincent Lecavalier
378 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bill Barilko
379 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ryan Smyth
380 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Steve Smith
381 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Teppo Numminen
382 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Glen Sather, coach
383 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Marty Barry
384 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Mattias Ohlund
385 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Buddy O'Connor
386 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Lennart Svedberg
387 pnep - Siberian Bears - Ken Daneyko
388 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jack Adams, coach
389 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mickey MacKay
390 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Ralph "Cooney" Weiland
391 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Jiri Bubla
392 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Tomas Sandstrom

Round #15
393 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Adam Graves
394 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Bill Guerin
395 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Cecil Hart, coach
396 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Mike Foligno
397 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Wharram
398 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bernie Nicholls
399 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Tommy "Cowboy" Anderson
400 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Calle Johansson
401 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Jason Arnott
402 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Leo Reise Jr
403 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Shayne Corson
404 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Bob Probert
405 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Cecil Dillon
406 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Daniel Alfredsson
407 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - John MacLean
408 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - J. P. Parise
409 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Mosdell
410 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Vladimir Martinec
411 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Walker
412 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Duke Keats
413 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Demers, coach
414 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Pierre Turgeon
415 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - James Patrick
416 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Lars-Erik Sjoberg
417 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Frank Foyston
418 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - John McKenzie
419 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Gaye Stewart
420 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dale Tallon

Round #16
421 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Ron Greschner
422 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Mark Tinordi
423 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Floyd Curry
424 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Kris Draper
425 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Jim Neilson
426 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Alf Smith
427 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ott Heller
428 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Tommy Phillips
429 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Taffy Abel
430 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Nevin
431 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Duane Sutter
432 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Jack Crawford
433 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Ed Jovanovski
434 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Jean Pronovost
435 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Joe Klukay
436 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Cy Wentworth
437 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Owen Nolan
438 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Risebrough
439 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Mickey Redmond
440 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Mario Tremblay
441 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Nick Metz
442 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Pat Egan
443 pnep - Siberian Bears - Milan Hejduk
444 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Tony Leswick
445 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Vyacheslav Starshinov
446 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Jerry "King Kong" Korab
447 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dany Heatley
448 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Vladimir Dzurilla

Round #17
449 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Skrudland
450 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Kevin Hatcher
451 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Carol Vadnais
452 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Andy Moog
453 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Roger Crozier
454 pnep - Siberian Bears - Keith Primeau
455 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Behn Wilson
456 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Georges Vezina
457 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Wade Redden
458 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Craig Simpson
459 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Harry Lumley
460 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Troy Murray
461 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Hap Holmes
462 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Graham Drinkwater
463 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dave Semenko
464 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Roberto Luongo
465 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Aurie
466 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Dave Babych
467 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Lorne Chabot
468 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Al Rollins
469 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Edward Ivanov
470 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ted Nolan, coach
471 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Pete Green, coach
472 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Fleming Mackell
473 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mike Keenan, coach
474 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Jim Watson
475 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Dave Kerr
476 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Odie Cleghorn

Round #18
477 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bill Hajt
478 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Kenny Jonsson
479 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Mel Bridgman
480 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Roy Worters
481 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Bob Johnson, coach
482 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Barney Stanley
483 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pelle Lindbergh
484 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Dan Bain
485 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bob Dailey
486 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Pat Burns, coach
487 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Don Cherry, coach
488 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Don McKenney
489 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Don Maloney
490 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Ron Hextall
491 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Billy Gilmour
492 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Gerard Gallant
493 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ivan Hlinka
494 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Normie Smith
495 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Gilles Tremblay
496 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dennis Hull
497 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Andre Dupont
498 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Michal Handzus
499 pnep - Siberian Bears - Mike Liut
500 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Keith Magnuson
501 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Viktor Kuzkin
502 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Steve Kasper
503 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Miika Kiprussof
504 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Hakan Loob

Round #19
505 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Eric Staal
506 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Jack Laviolette
507 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Viktor Konovalenko
508 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Matthias Norström
509 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marty McSorley
510 pnep - Siberian Bears - Geoff Courtnall
511 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Mike Keane
512 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Lindy Ruff, coach
513 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Kirk McLean
514 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Baldy Northcott
515 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Steve Vickers
516 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Riley Hern
517 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Dave 'Tiger' Williams
518 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darren McCarty
519 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Glen Wesley
520 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Harry Sinden, coach
521 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Bruce MacGregor
522 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Darryl Sutter
523 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Red Dutton
524 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Wilf Paiement
525 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jack Darragh
526 raleh - Montreal Maroons -Jim Henry
527 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Curtis Joseph
528 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Mike Karakas
529 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Brad Richards
530 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Ross Lonsberry
531 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Dollard St. Laurent
532 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Ted Harris

Round #20
533 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Dallas Smith
534 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Harvey Pulford
535 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - "Bullet" Joe Simpson
536 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Willi Plett
537 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Eric Nesterenko
538 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Thomas Steen
539 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Eddie Shack
540 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - John Vanbiesbrouck
541 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Brian Engblom
542 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Lester Patrick
543 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Jason Smith
544 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Sean Burke
545 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dion Phaneuf
546 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - John Ogrodnick
547 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tomas Kaberle
548 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Murray Balfour
549 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Helmut Balderis
550 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Kevin Dineen
551 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Samuel Pahlsson
552 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Phil Goyette
553 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Anders Kallur
554 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Pete Peeters
555 pnep - Siberian Bears - Tony Amonte
556 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Glen Skov
557 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Cliff Koroll
558 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Al Secord
559 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Frank Frederickson
560 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Jamie Macoun

Round #21
561 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Peter Zezel
562 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - SKIPPED
563 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Hec Kilrea
564 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Arkady Chernyshev, coach
565 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Tomas Holmstrom
566 pnep - Siberian Bears - Dave Manson
567 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Vic Stasiuk
568 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Ryan Walter
569 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Gennady Tsygankov
570 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bill Ranford
571 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Mathieu Schneider
572 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles -
573 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans
574 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
575 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues
576 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
577 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos
578 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers
579 Wisent - Adler Mannheim
580 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters
581 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
582 raleh - Montreal Maroons
583 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
584 pappyline - Barrie Flyers
585 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers
586 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts
587 #66 - Les A's de Quebec
588 Evil Sather - New York Rangers

Round #22
589 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
590 #66 - Les A's de Quebec
591 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts
592 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers
593 pappyline - Barrie Flyers
594 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans
595 raleh - Montreal Maroons
596 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
597 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters
598 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
599 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers
600 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos
601 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
602 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues
603 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
604 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
605 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
606 Evil Sather - New York Rangers
607 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings
608 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
609 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres
610 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles
611 pnep - Siberian Bears
612 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
613 Wisent - Adler Mannheim
614 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
615 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
616 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks

Round #23
617 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks
618 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
619 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos
620 Wisent - Adler Mannheim
621 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
622 pnep - Siberian Bears
623 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
624 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres
625 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
626 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings
627 Evil Sather - New York Rangers
628 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
629 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans
630 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
631 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
632 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
633 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos
634 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers
635 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
636 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters
637 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
638 raleh - Montreal Maroons
639 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
640 pappyline - Barrie Flyers
641 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers
642 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts
643 #66 - Les A's de Quebec
644 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder

Round #24
645 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
646 #66 - Les A's de Quebec
647 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts
648 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers
649 pappyline - Barrie Flyers
650 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans
651 raleh - Montreal Maroons
652 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
653 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters
654 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
655 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers
656 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos
657 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets
658 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues
659 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
660 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
661 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
662 Evil Sather - New York Rangers
663 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings
664 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder
665 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres
666 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles
667 pnep - Siberian Bears
668 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
669 Wisent - Adler Mannheim
670 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
671 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
672 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks

Trades:

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 5 & 108 to raleh - Montreal Maroons for picks 22 & 35

shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder trades picks 9 & 216 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 36 & 92

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 10 & 215 to pappyline - Barrie Flyers for picks 24 & 89

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 16, 41 & 97 to #66 - Les A's de Quebec for picks 27, 30 & 86

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 24 & 103 to HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos for picks 40 & 73

Wisent - Adler Mannheim trades Mario Lemieux, and picks 277 & 396 to Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles for picks 54, 59 & 222

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 29 & 196 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 53 & 109

God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters trades picks 37 & 76 to arrbez - Aurora Tigers for picks 45 & 68

pappyline - Barrie Flyers trades picks 33, 80 & 201 to Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens for picks 52, 61 & 164

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 66 & 159 to Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts for picks 82 & 87

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 72 & 184 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 109 & 140

EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons trades picks 77 & 301 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 104 & 160

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 85 & 533 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 92 & 272

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 89, 234 & 327 to Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles for picks 110, 166 & 339

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 86, 296 & 352 to John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers for picks 137, 193 & 200

HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos trades picks 103 & 208 to vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets for picks 109 & 140

HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos trades picks 109 & 409 to Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens for picks 117 & 276

Wisent - Adler Mannheim trades picks 116, 165 & 221 to God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters for picks 132, 149 & 205

reckoning - Buffalo Sabres trades picks 120 & 232 to kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans for picks 135 & 191

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 122, 166, 271 & 383 to #66 - Les A's de Quebec for picks 139, 142, 254 & 366

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 128 & 265 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 156 & 181

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 153 & 489 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 177 & 345

raleh - Montreal Maroons trades picks 147 & 483 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 153 & 440

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 171 & 283 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 196 & 222

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 177 & 209 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 184 & 197

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 200, 208, 576, 601 & 632 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 289, 384, 401, 457 & 513

Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers trades picks 186, 207 & 263 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 189, 204 & 260

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 196 & 558 to Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers for picks 204 & 410

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 220 & 332 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 228 & 284

LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers trades picks 226, 335, & 618 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 233, 328, & 483

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 227 & 446 to kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans for picks 232 & 370

Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues trades picks 266 & 631 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 301 & 496

shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder trades picks 266, 335 & 552 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 272, 309 & 644

arrbez - Aurora Tigers trades Joe Malone, and picks 572 & 605 to Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles for picks 277, 327 & 370

HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos trades picks 276 & 465 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 316 & 357

MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles trades picks 287 & 623 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 309 & 489

John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers trades picks 296 & 529 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 324 & 380

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trades picks 299 & 579 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 332 & 389

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 308 & 420 to vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets for picks 321 & 345

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 346, 439 & 495 to God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters for picks 356, 429 & 485

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 396 & 619 to HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos for picks 432 & 521

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 421 & 588 to Evil Sather - New York Rangers for picks 438 & 494

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades Jack Crawford and picks 502 & 572 to
MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles] for picks 442, 489 & 498

kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans trades picks 446, 527, 583 & 639 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 461, 517, 573 & 629

Frightened Inmate #2
04-18-2007, 10:09 PM
The Vancouver Canucks are proud to flesh out their offensive potential and select a Stanley Cup Champion as well as an Olympic Champion (before NHL players participated) - Neal Broten. The Canucks further select Brian Bellows.

It is the opinion of Canucks management that these two players will add some offensive pop to the Canucks lineup while not taking away from the two way game which is valued in the Canucks organization.

VanIslander
04-18-2007, 10:14 PM
... Neal Broten. The Canucks further select Brian Bellows
Holy kabootles Minnesota North Stars!

Nice to see them not so underrated here. :handclap:

John Flyers Fan
04-18-2007, 10:28 PM
The Vancouver Canucks are proud to flesh out their offensive potential and select a Stanley Cup Champion as well as an Olympic Champion (before NHL players participated) - Neal Broten. The Canucks further select Brian Bellows.

It is the opinion of Canucks management that these two players will add some offensive pop to the Canucks lineup while not taking away from the two way game which is valued in the Canucks organization.

Broten is an excellent pick, I thought about taking him with my last selection, thought he might slip a bit.

God Bless Canada
04-18-2007, 10:29 PM
Holy kabootles Minnesota North Stars!

Nice to see them not so underrated here. :handclap:
Yep. I guess I wasn't the only one looking at those two for my second line.

Anyways, gentlemen, we are now in the second half of the draft. While it might seem like there's a lot of work left, we did the first half in 31 days. We're still averaging over 10 picks per day. Job well done to all, especially those who PM their picks.

Just to put it into context. In the last draft, we completed 480 picks in eight weeks. We completed two-thirds as many picks in slightly more than half as long.

MXD
04-18-2007, 10:38 PM
Anyone knows something about Spitfire's and LapierreSports whereabouts?

...And subsequently, anybody can take shortlists?
Sorry for being so much asking for it lately, final school week...

pitseleh
04-18-2007, 10:42 PM
I'll be around most of the night MXD, feel free to send me a list if you need to.

John Flyers Fan
04-18-2007, 10:47 PM
I'll be around until the Nash-San Jose game finishes.

Nalyd Psycho
04-18-2007, 10:59 PM
Thank you GBC for announcing the Eagles selection of Phil Watson.

Watson is one of the most versitile forwards remaining in the draft. Able to play Left Wing, Center or Right Wing. He's a strong offensive player who lead the league in assists in 1941-42 (earning himself a 2nd team All-Star nod) and tied with Neil Colville for scoring lead on the cup winning 1940 Rangers. He was also a tenacious checker who held the potent Kraut Line to 1 goal in 6 games that year after they finished 1-2-3 in scoring with a combined 61 goals in 48 games during the regular season. And then shut down the Apps-Drillon-Name Censored line in the finals. (A two-way performance that earned him a retroactive Conn Smythe) Like Esa Tikkanen, he combined high end shut down ability with frustrating superpest skills. All while averaging less than a PIM per game.

For his versitile play from a checking line, Fiery Phil Watson is an ideal Eagle.

pitseleh
04-18-2007, 11:00 PM
The thing is... it's also for tomorrow. There's no way I can connect to a computer before 5 PM tomorrow, and if picks go smoothly, I'm skipped for sure.

I should be able to check in through the day tomorrow too. I pick only two spots after you anyways.

MXD
04-18-2007, 11:01 PM
For his versitile play from a checking line, Fiery Phil Watson is an ideal Eagle.
He would have made a fine SCREAMING Eagle, too!

BM67
04-18-2007, 11:09 PM
The newest Devil:

Reed Larson - 6'0", 195 lbs, Shoots: right

http://www.detroitredwings.com/images/history/wingsoflegend/reedlarson.jpg

Three seasons under coach Herb Brooks at the University of Minnesota molded the young defender into one of the steadier defensemen of his generation.

Larson broke into the NHL via the Detroit Red Wings where he was a runner-up for the Calder Trophy as the league's top rookie. The acknowledgement was no fluke. In the ensuing years he recorded five 20-goal seasons and eight 60-point campaigns. He was the first American-born player and the sixth defenseman to score 200 career goals. - Legends of Hockey Bio (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=13320)

Detroit Captain: January 10, 1981, to September 1982
Detroit Records: Most goals by defenseman in a season (27 in 1980-81), most points by rookie defenseman (60 in 1977-78, shares record), most goals by rookie defenseman (19 in 1977-78), most power-play goals by defenseman in a season (11 in 1985-86), most game-winning goals by defenseman in a season (5 in 1983-84, shares record)
Became third defenseman in NHL history (after Bobby Orr and Denis Potvin) to score 20 or more goals in five consecutive seasons when he achieved feat in 1983-84
U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame: Inducted 1996 - Hockey Draft Central (http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1976/76022.html)

When Reed Larson wound up at the point, players scattered and goalies prayed he’d shoot wide. Those powerful blasts allowed Larson to rewrite the record book for Red Wings defensemen and for American-born NHL players.

He made his NHL debut late in the 1976-77 campaign, then rocketed to stardom the following season.

His 41 assists and 60 points were new records for Detroit defensemen, let alone for Wings rookie rearguards. But, like Babe Ruth’s home-run numbers, Larson just kept breaking his own marks.

Larson is one of only three defensemen in NHL history to record at least nine straight seasons with 50 or more points. His nine successive 50-point campaigns came from 1977-78 through 1985-86, joining Paul Coffey (15) and Phil Housley (11) in this select group.

Larson posted five consecutive 20-goal seasons from 1979-80 through 1983-84. Among NHL defensemen, only Bobby Orr (seven) ever put together a longer stretch of 20-goal performances.

Serving as Detroit captain in 1980-81 and 1981-82, Larson played for the United States in the 1981 World Championships and Canada Cup. He collected his 451st point as a Wing on October 1, 1984 to surpass Red Kelly as the all-time leading scorer among Detroit defenders. Larson was the first U.S.-born NHLer to collect 500 points and the fifth Red Wing to reach this plateau. - Wings of Legend (http://www.detroitredwings.com/history/wol/wol-reedlarson.jsp)

"I faced a lot of shots, but no shooter fired the puck harder than Reed Larson. No matter what anyone says, Bobby Hull never shot the puck as hard as Reed did." - Ron Low

"He moves so effortlessly and he’s got a lot of talent." - Terry Harper

"He was a good skater, moved the puck well and had quite a shot." - Scotty Bowman

reckoning
04-18-2007, 11:38 PM
Thank you GBC for announcing the Eagles selection of Phil Watson.

Watson is one of the most versitile forwards remaining in the draft. Able to play Left Wing, Center or Right Wing. He's a strong offensive player who lead the league in assists in 1941-42 (earning himself a 2nd team All-Star nod) and tied with Neil Colville for scoring lead on the cup winning 1940 Rangers. He was also a tenacious checker who held the potent Kraut Line to 1 goal in 6 games that year after they finished 1-2-3 in scoring with a combined 61 goals in 48 games during the regular season. And then shut down the Apps-Drillon-Name Censored line in the finals. (A two-way performance that earned him a retroactive Conn Smythe) Like Esa Tikkanen, he combined high end shut down ability with frustrating superpest skills. All while averaging less than a PIM per game.

For his versitile play from a checking line, Fiery Phil Watson is an ideal Eagle.

Interesting stuff. I didn't know much about what type of player Watson was, but someone as multifaceted as he appears to be is great value for a pick at this stage of the draft.

287 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Mark Recchi

Didn't get a chance to comment on this pick on the weekend, but it's over 80 picks later than Recchi had ever gone before. Looks like he flew under everybody's radar. Nice job by the Thunder to spot him. Great steal.

Nalyd Psycho
04-18-2007, 11:44 PM
Interesting stuff. I didn't know much about what type of player Watson was, but someone as multifaceted as he appears to be is great value for a pick at this stage of the draft.


Yeah, I stumbled upon him and decided to do more research, and tyhe more I read, the more I wondered, why was this guy such a low pick before? Fast, decent size, tenacious checker without alot of PIMs. Decent scorer, good playmaker, can play multiple positions and steps up in the clutch. He's not necisarily a game breaker, but he offers alot and is a brilliant value going after similar players like Hunter and Tikkanen who, maybe, didn't even achieve as much as Watson.

Both glad and said Pitre went so high. He woulda looked great on mario's wing, but, I'm also glad a player I stole last time is getting respect now.

God Bless Canada
04-18-2007, 11:45 PM
Didn't get a chance to comment on this pick on the weekend, but it's over 80 picks later than Recchi had ever gone before. Looks like he flew under everybody's radar. Nice job by the Thunder to spot him. Great steal.

I don't know if I'd say he flew under the radar. He was on my list for a while, it's just that each round I felt there was a more pressing need for my team. I think his selection at this point might be more related to the fact that some GMs are waiting on their second line spots, and there's been a greater emphasis on the old-time players (like Phil Watson) and defencemen than in past drafts. A lot of the pre-expansion era guys have been going earlier than before, while some of the more recent guys have been slipping more than they usually do.

I find that I'm still learning in this draft. Nothing compares with the education I received from tracking the fourth draft and participating in the fifth draft, but picks like Watson show that I still have a lot to learn.

pitseleh
04-18-2007, 11:55 PM
Both glad and said Pitre went so high. He woulda looked great on mario's wing, but, I'm also glad a player I stole last time is getting respect now.

Yeah, my plan from the outset was to reunite Pitre and Lalonde. I thought he might slip further, but at this point I didn't want to risk losing him, with very few other options if he did get picked by someone else.

Leaf Lander
04-19-2007, 12:06 AM
if everyone could agree to be online 10 pm est

we could prob get 1 rnd done a night in a 2 hr period.

Just an idea

also add each other to msn:

its a good way to find out if the person is online.

leafsdomain@hotmail.com is my msn

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109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Sid Abel
429 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Taffy Abel
388 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jack Adams, coach
406 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Daniel Alfredsson
189 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Glenn Anderson
399 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Tommy "Cowboy" Anderson
211 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Dave Andreychuk
63 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Syl Apps Sr.
401 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Jason Arnott
271 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Al Arbour, coach
228 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - George Armstrong

325 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ralph Backstrom
184 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Ace Bailey
150 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Barber
378 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bill Barilko
272 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tom Barrasso
383 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Marty Barry
69 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Andy Bathgate
363 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bobby Bauer
267 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bobby Baun
284 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Barry Beck
123 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Ed Belfour
9 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean Beliveau
337 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Bellows
89 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Clint Benedict
92 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Bentley
61 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Max Bentley
116 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Rob Blake
108 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Toe Blake
230 pnep - Siberian Bears - Toe Blake, coach
180 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vsevolod Bobrov
190 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Leo Boivin
309 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Peter Bondra
14 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
110 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Butch Bouchard
94 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Boucher
118 pnep - Siberian Bears - George Boucher
303 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bob Bourne
12 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ray Bourque
64 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Johnny Bower
200 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Scotty Bowman, coach
140 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Carl Brewer
100 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Brimsek
178 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Rod Brind'Amour
196 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Punch Broadbent
47 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Turk Broda
32 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Martin Brodeur
336 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Neal Broten
391 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Jiri Bubla
96 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Johnny Bucyk
282 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Billy Burch
102 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Pavel Bure

170 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Harry Cameron
99 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Guy Carbonneau
183 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Randy Carlyle
241 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Wayne Cashman
182 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Zdeno Chara
153 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Gerry Cheevers
31 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Chris Chelios
159 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dino Ciccarelli
62 pnep - Siberian Bears - King Clancy
52 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Dit Clapper
223 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wendel Clark
25 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Bobby Clarke
78 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Sprague Cleghorn
46 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Paul Coffey
313 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Neil Colville
56 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Charlie Conacher
114 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Lionel Conacher
209 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Roy Conacher
294 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alex Connell
75 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Cook
318 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bun Cook
236 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Art Coulter
105 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Yvan Cournoyer
403 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Shayne Corson
138 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Bill Cowley
326 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Sidney Crosby
423 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Floyd Curry


296 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Vincent Damphousse
387 pnep - Siberian Bears - Ken Daneyko
333 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Vitaly Davydov
221 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Clarence "Hap" Day
365 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day, coach
148 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Alex Delvecchio
413 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Demers, coach
117 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Cy Denneny
210 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Eric Desjardins
405 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Cecil Dillon
67 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Marcel Dionne
424 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Kris Draper
276 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gordie Drillon
352 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Chris Drury
33 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Dryden
322 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Steve Duchesne
197 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dick Duff
231 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Woody Dumart
51 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bill Durnan
173 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Cecil "Babe" Dye


142 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Patrik Elias
348 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ron Ellis
17 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Phil Esposito
103 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Tony Esposito


192 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Fern Flaman
306 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - John Ferguson
171 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Anatoli Firsov
202 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bernie Federko
60 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Sergei Fedorov
38 BM67 - New Jersey D evils - Viacheslav Fetisov
396 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Mike Foligno
113 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Adam Foote
54 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Peter Forsberg
417 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Frank Foyston
85 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Ron Francis
93 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Grant Fuhr

79 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bill Gadsby
74 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
120 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Chuck Gardiner
249 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Herb Gardiner
220 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Danny Gare
127 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Mike Gartner
45 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Bernie Geoffrion
361 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Eddie Gerard
319 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Eddie Giacomin
181 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Rod Gilbert
135 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Clark Gillies
126 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Doug Gilmour
243 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Goldham
349 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Sergei Gonchar
124 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ebbie Goodfellow
226 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Butch Goring
356 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Tommy Gorman, coach
146 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Michel Goulet
328 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dirk Graham
393 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Adam Graves
268 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ted Green
421 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Ron Greschner
2 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Gretzky
368 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Si Griffis
394 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Bill Guerin

351 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Vic Hadfield
111 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - George Hainsworth
28 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glenn Hall
224 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Joe Hall
259 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Terry Harper
395 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Cecil Hart, coach
10 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Harvey
24 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dominik Hasek
222 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Derian Hatcher
98 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dale Hawerchuk
164 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Anders Hedberg
427 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ott Heller
289 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Paul Henderson
216 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Bryan Hextall Sr
288 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Lionel Hitchman
297 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Ken Hodge
290 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bobby Holik
299 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Jiri Holik
263 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Flash Hollett
132 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Jiri Holocek
168 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Red Horner
43 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tim Horton
143 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Phil Housley
3 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Gordie Howe
88 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mark Howe
193 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Syd Howe
175 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Harry Howell
331 pnep - Siberian Bears - Charlie Huddy
6 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bobby Hull
55 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Brett Hull
244 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Dale Hunter

323 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Al Iafrate
139 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jarome Iginla
373 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Punch Imlach, coach
357 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dick Irvin, coach
370 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Tommy Ivan, coach

136 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Busher Jackson
34 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Jaromir Jagr
245 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Doug Jarvis
400 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Calle Johansson
186 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ching Johnson
374 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ernie "Moose" Johnson
119 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Tom Johnson
83 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Aurel Joliat


346 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Valeri Kamensky
203 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Paul Kariya
112 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexei Kasatonov
412 God Bless Caada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Duke Keats
20 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Red Kelly
73 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Ted Kennedy
128 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dave Keon
227 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Tim Kerr
36 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Valery Kharlamov
122 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Vladimir Konstantinov
270 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Vladimir Krutov
48 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jari Kurri

347 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Edgar Laprade
366 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jamie Langenbrunner
377 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Vincent Lecavalier

262 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Trevor Linden
302 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Herbie Lewis
310 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Yvon Lambert
332 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Reed Larson
320 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Vladimir Lutchenko
314 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Craig Ludwig
315 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Reggie Leach
256 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Steve Larmer
101 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Eric Lindros
147 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Igor Larionov
154 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Jacques Lemaire
157 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Pat Lafontaine
205 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Don Luce
213 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - John Leclair
214 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Jere Lehtinen
235 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Kevin Lowe
248 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Ed Litzenberger
277 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ken Linseman
281 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Jacques Lemaire, coach
310 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Yvon Lambert
332 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Reed Larson
320 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Vladimir Lutchenko
314 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Craig Ludwig
315 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Reggie Leach
217 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Claude Lemieux


91 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Elmer Lach
72 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Newsy Lalonde
11 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Guy Lafleur
90 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Rod Langway
82 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jacques Laperriere
80 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Guy Lapointe
65 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Brian Leetch
4 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Mario Lemieux
29 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Niklas Lidström
18 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Ted Lindsay


254 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Rick MacLeish
250 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Craig MacTavish
307 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - John Madden
301 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Pete Mahovlich
131 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Alexander Malstev
253 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Sylvio Mantha
321 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Don Marcotte
212 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Rick Martin
247 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Brad McCrimmon
149 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Lanny McDonald
240 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Frank McGee
207 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Rick Middleton
106 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Boris Mikhailov
160 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Mike Modano
198 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Alexander Mogilny
215 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Mohns
273 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Ken Morrow
300 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Gus Mortson
239 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bill Mosienko
275 pnep - Siberian Bears - Joe Mullen
246 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Kirk Muller
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Murphy


40 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Al MacInnis
50 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Frank Mahovlich
86 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Sergei Makarov
76 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Joe Malone
13 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Mark Messier
22 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Stan Mikita
66 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dickie Moore
16 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Howie Morenz

375 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Mellanby
389 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mickey MacKay
407 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - John MacLean
409 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Mosdell
410 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Vladimir Martinec
418 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - John McKenzie
342 pnep - Siberian Bears - Don Marshall


359 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Peter McNab
425 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Jim Neilson
430 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Nevin
398 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bernie Nicholls
381 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Teppo Numminen

225 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Markus Naslund
278 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Mats Naslund
162 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Vaclav Nedomansky
87 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Cam Neely
70 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scott Niedermayer
174 pnep - Siberian Bears - Joe Nieuwendyk
167 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Frank Nighbor
304 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Ulf Nilsson
305 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Kent Nilsson
279 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Reg Noble
237 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bob Nystrom

384 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Mattias Ohlund
385 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Buddy O'Connor
350 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alexander Ovechkin
141 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Adam Oates
191 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Bert Olmstead
261 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Joel Otto

1 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Bobby Orr

42 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bernie Parent
35 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Brad Park
242 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Mike Peca
49 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Gilbert Perreault
187 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Vladimir Petrov
44 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pierre Pilote
335 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Didier Pitre
283 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Frantisek Pospisil
311 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Barclay Plager
21 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Plante
15 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Denis Potvin
125 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Walter "Babe" Pratt
293 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dean Prentice
194 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Joe Primeau
58 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Chris Pronger
133 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Marcel Pronovost
158 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Brian Propp
188 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Claude Provost
251 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bob Pulford

338 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dave Poulin
404 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Bob Probert
408 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - J. P. Parise
415 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - James Patrick
428 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Tommy Phillips

330 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Lester Patrick, coach
316 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Marty Pavelich
317 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Stefan Persson

97 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bill Quackenbush

68 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Henri Richard
5 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Maurice Richard
19 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Larry Robinson
7 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Patrick Roy

354 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Craig Hartsburg
355 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Chuck Rayner
340 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Mike Ricci
364 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Rousseau
402 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Leo Reise Jr
376 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Reijo Ruotsalainen

137 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Art Ross
166 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Ken Reardon
169 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexander Ragulin
229 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Gary Roberts
287 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Mark Recchi
291 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Mike Ramsey
292 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Jeremy Roenick
280 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Mike Richter
269 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Rob Ramage
176 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Jean Ratelle
172 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Craig Ramsay
144 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Luc Robitaille


27 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Joe Sakic
59 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Börje Salming
264 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Ulf Samuelsson
371 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Derek Sanderson
392 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Tomas Sandstrom
382 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Glen Sather, coach
152 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Denis Savard
77 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Serge Savard
26 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Terry Sawchuk
57 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Milt Schmidt
353 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Jim Schoenfeld
165 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - David "Sweeney" Schriner
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Earl Seibert
107 pnep - Siberian Bears - Teemu Selanne
81 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Brendan Shanahan
367 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Fred Shero, coach
8 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Eddie Shore
156 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Shutt
252 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Babe Siebert
360 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Charlie Simmer
151 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Darryl Sittler
416 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Lars-Erik Sjoberg
369 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Tod Sloan
426 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Alf Smith
41 #66 -Les A's de Quebec - Billy Smith
274 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Bobby Smith
233 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Hooley Smith
341 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Sid Smith
380 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Steve Smith
295 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Stan Smyl
379 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ryan Smyth
327 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Nikolai Sologubov
339 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Martin St. Louis
177 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Allan Stanley
201 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pat Stapleton
71 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Peter Stastny
232 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Kevin Stevens
39 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Stevens
95 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Black Jack Stewart
419 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Gaye Stewart
130 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Nels Stewart
372 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Hod Stuart
234 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Jan Suchy
155 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Sundin
179 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Gary Suter
258 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Brent Sutter
260 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Brian Sutter
431 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Duane Sutter
386 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Lennart Svedberg
324 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Petr Svoboda


219 pnep - Siberian Bears - Jean Guy Talbot
420 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dale Tallon
84 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cyclone Taylor
255 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dave Taylor
308 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Thomas
345 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Paul Thompson
121 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tiny Thompson
204 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Jimmy Thomson
195 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Joe Thornton
208 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Esa Tikkanen
422 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Mark Tinordi
286 pnep - Siberian Bears - Keith Tkachuk
329 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Walt Tkaczuk
185 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Rick Tocchet
206 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - John Tonelli
134 raleh - Montreal Maroons - J.C. Tremblay
37 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladislav Tretiak
23 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bryan Trottier
414 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Pierre Turgeon

163 pnep - Siberian Bears - Norm Ullman

298 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Rogie Vachon
344 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Rick Vaive
358 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ed Van Impe
257 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Elmer "Moose" Vasko
115 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Valeri Vasiliev
312 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Pat Verbeek
238 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Vernon

411 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Walker
362 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Harry P. Watson
334 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Phil Watson
343 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Doug Weight
390 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Ralph "Cooney" Weiland
285 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ed Westfall
397 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Wharram
199 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Bill White
129 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Doug Wilson
145 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Gump Worsley

218 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Alexander Yakushev
30 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Yzerman


161 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Sergei Zubov



Last Pick Entered

431 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Duane Sutter

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432 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Jack Crawford
433 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Ed Jovanovski
434 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Jean Pronovost
435 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Joe Klukay
436 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Cy Wentworth
437 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Owen Nolan
438 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Risebrough
439 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Mickey Redmond
440 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Mario Tremblay
441 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Nick Metz
442 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Pat Egan
443 pnep - Siberian Bears - Milan Hejduk
444 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Tony Leswick
445 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Vyacheslav Starshinov
446 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Jerry "King Kong" Korab
447 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dany Heatley
448 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Vladimir Dzurilla

Round #17
449 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Skrudland
450 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Kevin Hatcher
451 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Carol Vadnais
452 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Andy Moog
453 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Roger Crozier
454 pnep - Siberian Bears - Keith Primeau
455 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Behn Wilson
456 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Georges Vezina
457 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Wade Redden
458 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Craig Simpson
459 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Harry Lumley
460 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Troy Murray
461 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Hap Holmes
462 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Graham Drinkwater
463 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dave Semenko
464 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Roberto Luongo
465 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Aurie
466 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Dave Babych
467 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Lorne Chabot
468 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Al Rollins
469 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Edward Ivanov
470 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ted Nolan, coach
471 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Pete Green, coach
472 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Fleming Mackell
473 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mike Keenan, coach
474 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Jim Watson
475 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Dave Kerr
476 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Odie Cleghorn

Round #18
477 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bill Hajt
478 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Kenny Jonsson
479 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Mel Bridgman
480 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Roy Worters
481 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Bob Johnson, coach
482 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Barney Stanley
483 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pelle Lindbergh
484 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Dan Bain
485 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bob Dailey
486 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Pat Burns, coach
487 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Don Cherry, coach
488 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Don McKenney
489 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Don Maloney
490 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Ron Hextall
491 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Billy Gilmour



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If your going offline for 8 to 10 hrs and your pick is coming up pm somone you know and trust your pick. So you dont hold the draft up.

Zetterberg4Captain*
04-19-2007, 12:56 AM
If anyone needs there pick to be announced I get off school at 2 PM Eastern tomorrow and I will be here.

kruezer
04-19-2007, 01:43 AM
Yeah, I stumbled upon him and decided to do more research, and tyhe more I read, the more I wondered, why was this guy such a low pick before? Fast, decent size, tenacious checker without alot of PIMs. Decent scorer, good playmaker, can play multiple positions and steps up in the clutch. He's not necisarily a game breaker, but he offers alot and is a brilliant value going after similar players like Hunter and Tikkanen who, maybe, didn't even achieve as much as Watson.

Both glad and said Pitre went so high. He woulda looked great on mario's wing, but, I'm also glad a player I stole last time is getting respect now.
I feel much the same way about Watson, I was hoping to get him later yet though, I didn't think he would jump from the 18th round of the minor league draft to the 12th round of the main draft.

He obviously loses value since his best campaigns came during the war years, but I think he still looks good compared to other 2nd/3rd line guys from the pre-war and early original six era.

Nalyd Psycho
04-19-2007, 01:58 AM
Way I look at it, the war didn't really effect things until the 42-43 season. 42-45 is tainted. '40 playoffs is untainted. He probably wouldn't have led the league in assists though, still a fine playmaker though.

I knew from near the start I wanted him on my 3rd line and with quality 3rd liners going left right and center, I couldn't wait 'til my next pick. (Late 14th.)

EagleBelfour
04-19-2007, 06:52 AM
Davydov, Broten and especially Pitre, all awesome picks. 80% of the steal I thought would fall, considering their past position selection, are now taken earlier (as it should). Damn, not an easy draft to start on. :D

LapierreSports
04-19-2007, 09:54 AM
The Wanderers are pleased to select one of the best hockey players of the 1980s, add another former Selke winner on its third line, 2 time All Star and member of the RV-87 team : Dave Poulin.

He was an unheralded defensive center who was always shadowing the opposition's top gun. He was always on the ice when the game was on the line, taking key faceoffs and blocking point shots. He was the ultimate team player on and off the ice.

John Flyers Fan
04-19-2007, 10:00 AM
The Wanderers are pleased to add another former Selke winner on its third line, 2 time All Star and member of the RV-87 team : Dave Poulin.

Good player, not a great playoff performer, usually because he would end up breaking his ribs and playng with a flak jacket during the playoffs.

Great leader and penalty killer, very good speed, decent goal scorer, not much of a playmaker

His most famous moment as a Flyer 30 seconds in:
http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/sightsound/highlights/video/58.wmv

Game 6 Wales conference finals - Flyers lead the series 3-2 and the game 1-0. Nordiques get a two man advantage for 90 seconds early in the 2nd period ....

VanIslander
04-19-2007, 10:09 AM
Poulin is a great third liner in an all-time draft :handclap:

I've watched him outplay everybody else on the ice some nights (against my teams!) and still not get one of the three star honours (puck hogs get waaaay too much credit for a team's success, seriously)

Spitfire11
04-19-2007, 10:20 AM
I'm looking to move down from my next up coming pick (not looking for a lot in return either..)

Detroit will add some speed to the lineup, RW Martin St.Louis

Pearson
Hart
Art Ross
Stanley Cup
World Cup

Over PPG career in the playoffs, and a player that puts an effort in the defensive zone and can kill penalties.

VanIslander
04-19-2007, 10:28 AM
I'm looking to move down from my next up coming pick

Detroit will add some speed to the lineup, RW Martin St.Louis
Pearson, Hart, Art Ross... one super year
Stanley Cup... one of his two noteworthy playoffs
World Cup... good in the opening U.S. game, was AWOL the rest of the way

I... I... uh, ... how to say this nicely... a very good seven year NHL career to date with moments of brilliance ... but there is depth of talent at right wing of HHOFers left! perhaps the deepest position in the draft

Put the 5'9er on your all-time team fourth line and we'll agree all is good.

Wisent
04-19-2007, 10:31 AM
On my fourth line
I pick
Mike Ricci
as the center.
Character, grit and defense to boot and still getting a few points. That is what I ask of my 4th liner.

God Bless Canada
04-19-2007, 10:33 AM
Pearson, Hart, Art Ross... one super year
Stanley Cup... one of his two noteworthy playoffs
World Cup... good in the opening U.S. game, was AWOL the rest of the way

I... I... uh, ... how to say this nicely... a very good seven year NHL career to date with moments of brilliance ... but there is depth of talent at right wing of HHOFers left! perhaps the deepest position in the draft

Put the 5'9er on your all-time team fourth line and we'll agree all is good.
Just put the wraps on a 100-point season. Outside shot at a second all-star team birth. (Although I think the all-star RW births will go to Iginla and Selanne).

A cog for the Lightning on their Cup championship team in 2004. Seemingly forgotten is the three straight GWG's vs. Washington in the first round of the 2003 playoffs, including the series clincher in double OT.

Also very good defensively (fourth in Selke voting in 2003-04) and an excellent penalty killer. Can play a two-way RW role.

I was looking at him for my No. 2 RW spot, although I think there are a couple players out there better than St. Louis for that position.

Pwnasaurus
04-19-2007, 10:37 AM
Just curious if pnep, pnep'd his pick to anyone.

God Bless Canada
04-19-2007, 10:40 AM
Just curious if pnep, pnep'd his pick to anyone.
I've got it. And as long as HO doesn't pick the guy pnep wants, it will be announced ASAP after HO picks.

Pwnasaurus
04-19-2007, 10:47 AM
Cool, was curious if I should keep the thread open while I work today.

VanIslander
04-19-2007, 11:00 AM
Just put the wraps on a 100-point season. Outside shot at a second all-star team birth.
He did have the most ice time among all NHL forwards this season, and two of his teammates are also among the top-4 in minutes and shifts played. A good synergy and season-long double shifting performance... bravo

But his value as a pick will have to involve some predictive powers about his future, which I'm not inclined to do, hence why I think Crosby is an absurd pick at this point, almost an insult to all those who have had great careers yet unrecognized/undrafted.

Peak value vs. career value vs. predicted value (skill/potential)

Maybe I need to re-evaluate what this all-time draft is about

EagleBelfour
04-19-2007, 11:04 AM
Peak value vs. career value vs. predicted value (skill/potential)


predicted value shouldn't have any impact in this draft IMO. Career value should have predominence, while peak value as little value. That's how I saw it.

VanIslander
04-19-2007, 11:11 AM
predicted value shouldn't have any impact in this draft IMO. Career value should have predominence, while peak value as little value. That's how I saw it.
Then St. Louis has had two excellent seasons, two great postseasons, 183 goals, 422 points.

There are right wingers available who have done much more than that.

I guess that is what it amounts to... matter of perspective

Hockey Outsider
04-19-2007, 11:16 AM
The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to add four-time Stanley Cup winner and three-time all-star LW Sid Smith.

Smith was a good goal-scorer (finishing in the top five in three years) and was among the leading goal- and point-scorers during the 1949 and 1951 playoffs.

"At the end of his year with the Hornets, he was promoted to the Leafs to bolster the team as it attempted to hoist the Stanley Cup for the third consecutive season. Smith had an immediate impact, scoring two goals and assisting on another in the first game of the semifinal series against the Boston Bruins. In the second game of the Stanley Cup finals against Gordie Howe and the Detroit Red Wings, Smith scored all three goals, each of them on the power-play, in a 3-1 Toronto win. At the end of the game, Howe asked reporters, "Who's Sid Smith?"

Some of Smith's many goals were momentous, including an overtime goal in the 1951 Stanley Cup finals against Montreal, a series that featured extra-time thrillers in each of the five games it took for Toronto to win its fifth Cup in six years. He also scored the winning goal in the first televised Maple Leafs game, against the Boston Bruins on November 1, 1952.

A model of consistency, Smith recorded six consecutive seasons with 20 or more goals, achieving that distinction in 1954-55 along with Gordie Howe. Only four others had been so reliable?Cy Denneny, Brian Hextall, Maurice Richard and Ted Lindsay?and Smith led the Leafs in scoring categories for eight seasons, four times for goals and four times for total points. Twice Smith was awarded the Lady Byng Trophy as the league's most gentlemanly player, in 1951, when he cracked the top 10 in league scoring with 51 points, and again in 1955, when he recorded a career-high 33 goals. Three times he was a league All-Star, earning First Team honors in 1955. He played in the All-Star Game in seven of his eight full seasons in the NHL. When Teeder Kennedy retired at the beginning of the 1955-56 season, Smith was elected the team captain, a role he filled with his quiet brand of leadership for one season before Kennedy returned to put the "C" back on his sweater in late 1956."

God Bless Canada
04-19-2007, 11:22 AM
He did have the most ice time among all NHL forwards this season, and two of his teammates are also among the top-4 in minutes and shifts played. A good synergy and season-long double shifting performance... bravo

But his value as a pick will have to involve some predictive powers about his future, which I'm not inclined to do, hence why I think Crosby is an absurd pick at this point, almost an insult to all those who have had great careers yet unrecognized/undrafted.

Peak value vs. career value vs. predicted value (skill/potential)

Maybe I need to re-evaluate what this all-time draft is about
We have a trade to announce. Trail and the Detroit Red Wings swap picks in the 13th, 16th and 18th rounds. Spit to confirm.

I wouldn't have picked Crosby at this point. Would have waited a couple more rounds, and tried to land him in the 375-400 range. He was the first player taken in the last farm draft (481st overall), but Hedberg had tried to take him about 100 picks earlier. Unfortunately, Hed already had his 13 forwards.

I think this is close to the point where St. Louis belongs. I think there are still a few RWs out there who are better, including a couple for the second line RW spot, which is where I would have slotted Marty. But you have to like his versatility.

Iginla's really had just the three strong regular seasons and the one impact playoff, and he went more than 200 spots ahead of St. Louis.

God Bless Canada
04-19-2007, 11:23 AM
I also have pnep's pick. The Siberian Bears are pleased to select LW Don Marshall.

Who has MXD's pick?

Spitfire11
04-19-2007, 11:24 AM
trade confirmed

Wisent
04-19-2007, 11:34 AM
Wow, a hundred picks til my next one.
Hurry up, folks!! :D

John Flyers Fan
04-19-2007, 11:43 AM
Wow, a hundred picks til my next one.
Hurry up, folks!! :D

It's brutal .. at one stretch I only had one selection of 161. It was like I had a week off.

Spitfire11
04-19-2007, 11:49 AM
Pearson, Hart, Art Ross... one super year
Stanley Cup... one of his two noteworthy playoffs
World Cup... good in the opening U.S. game, was AWOL the rest of the way

I... I... uh, ... how to say this nicely... a very good seven year NHL career to date with moments of brilliance ... but there is depth of talent at right wing of HHOFers left! perhaps the deepest position in the draft

Put the 5'9er on your all-time team fourth line and we'll agree all is good.

man, being in the same division as VanIslander sucks :D

I'm just looking to take a defensively responsible player for my 3rd line that can also score and put up points in both the regular season and playoffs. Not taking him saying this is hart trophy form St.Louis to play on my top line. And you don't need to play Mrs.Cleo, assume everyone's careers are over. You know how good he's been, and if you think he's a bum that belongs in the minor league draft that's fine. One of those HHOF RW only had a 7-year career as well along with many of the pre-war players.

shawnmullin
04-19-2007, 11:58 AM
He did have the most ice time among all NHL forwards this season, and two of his teammates are also among the top-4 in minutes and shifts played. A good synergy and season-long double shifting performance... bravo

But his value as a pick will have to involve some predictive powers about his future, which I'm not inclined to do, hence why I think Crosby is an absurd pick at this point, almost an insult to all those who have had great careers yet unrecognized/undrafted.

Peak value vs. career value vs. predicted value (skill/potential)

Maybe I need to re-evaluate what this all-time draft is about

Here's the thing... if you look at Crosby who has had 2 strait 100 point seasons and won an Art Ross all ready... well yeah he doesn't have long term success to point to, but he ALSO doesn't have a single year under 100 points right?

Wisent
04-19-2007, 12:09 PM
It's brutal .. at one stretch I only had one selection of 161. It was like I had a week off.

Don`t say it, I suffer already. ;)

God Bless Canada
04-19-2007, 12:18 PM
It's brutal .. at one stretch I only had one selection of 161. It was like I had a week off.
I think mullin/VanI is in the midst of a stretch that won't see him pick for 240 spots. Geez, now I understand why they went with a back-up so soon. When they pick again, we'll be into the equivalent of the sixth round of the last minor league draft.

pitseleh
04-19-2007, 12:48 PM
MXD selects C/LW Doug Weight.

Nice choices with Sid Smith and Marshall. Sid Smith is extremely underrated and Marshall is a perfect third liner in an ATD, capable of excellent defense combined with a good scoring touch.

pitseleh
04-19-2007, 01:02 PM
predicted value shouldn't have any impact in this draft IMO. Career value should have predominence, while peak value as little value. That's how I saw it.

Agreed about the predicted value. It does say:

"Any player from any league or era are eligible, but their selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future."

I think that predicted value could hold some merit when it comes to players who were injured a lot through there careers but still showed a lot while they were around (think Orr or Neely).

Peak value should definitely hold value though. Otherwise Mike Gartner should have been picked before Cam Neely, or other such things. I take Nalyd Psycho's view, that a player with a dominant peak and some not so great seasons will be considered to be a game breaker but an inconsistent one, while a steady guy will be a consistent but unspectacular contributor in an ATD. The true elite guys will be the superstars game in and game out.

God Bless Canada
04-19-2007, 01:37 PM
Agreed about the predicted value. It does say:

"Any player from any league or era are eligible, but their selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future."

I think that predicted value could hold some merit when it comes to players who were injured a lot through there careers but still showed a lot while they were around (think Orr or Neely).

Peak value should definitely hold value though. Otherwise Mike Gartner should have been picked before Cam Neely, or other such things. I take Nalyd Psycho's view, that a player with a dominant peak and some not so great seasons will be considered to be a game breaker but an inconsistent one, while a steady guy will be a consistent but unspectacular contributor in an ATD. The true elite guys will be the superstars game in and game out.
I think it needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. I think there are some instances where peak value wins out. I think there are some cases where consistency wins out.

And I think you also have to consider other factors: style of play, work ethic, character, leadership, clutch play, the team, etc. I don't think a Neely vs. Gartner comparison is a fair one, simply because Neely brings so much to the table, while Gartner gives you offensive ability, character and community involvement.

Who would you rather have: Kevin Stevens or Keith Tkachuk? I think that's a better one. Very similar players in terms of their strengths, but also some of their character flaws. Stevens had a better peak value than Tkachuk, but Tkachuk had much greater longevity. Of course, Stevens has his playoff track record, while Tkachuk just finished another post-season disappointment, but there are a lot of guys who would rather of Stevens, and a lot of guys who would rather have Tkachuk.

Nalyd Psycho
04-19-2007, 02:31 PM
Funny that, last time my only picks were Poulin and Pitre, picked Poulin 1st now they go 3 picks apart with Pitre going 1st...

reckoning
04-19-2007, 05:59 PM
A player who I feel would be regarded much higher if he didn't have the misfortune of spending his best years in the Harold Ballard circus.


Buffalo selects:

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/gallery/000153/000305946.jpg
Rick Vaive

pitseleh
04-19-2007, 06:02 PM
Starting my third line, the Clippers are proud to select LW Paul Thompson.

One of the most underrated players of all-time, Thompson was one of the most consistent stars of the thirties. He was an excellent defensive player and had one post-season All Star selection and 3 Stanley Cups. He was a top-10 point scorer 5 times (top-5 twice) and had 4 top-10 goal scoring seasons. He'll bring great two-way play to our third line.

https://secure.cstek.com:/idb/hpics/media/web/image/nhl/chi/player/255002.jpg

God Bless Canada
04-19-2007, 06:07 PM
I guess I have to start piecing together my second line eventually. And I believe this pick will be a first: our first-ever Soviet/Russian-born and trained player. The Trail Smoke Eaters are pleased to select the player who we believe is the best offensive player left at his position:

LW Valeri Kamensky

Career highlights:
*1996 Stanley Cup champion
*Three-time World Hockey Championship winner (1986, 1989 and 1991)
*1988 Olympic gold medallist
*Two-time USSR first-team all-star (1990 and 1991)
*1991 USSR Player of the Year
*1991 World Championship Top Forward
*Named the USSR's top player at Rendez-Vous 87
*A gifted offensive forward with blazing speed and a great shot
*A good post-season player who averaged near a point-per-game in his career.

Spitfire11
04-19-2007, 06:08 PM
Good pick. If I didn't get MacLeish I was going to hold out for Kamensky to be my 2nd line LW.

pappyline
04-19-2007, 06:12 PM
Wow, what a rush on left wings. Marshall, Sid Smith & Thompson were the 3 guys I was considering for my next pick.

reckoning
04-19-2007, 06:12 PM
Starting my third line, the Clippers are proud to select LW Paul Thompson.

One of the most underrated players of all-time, Thompson was one of the most consistent stars of the thirties. He was an excellent defensive player and had one post-season All Star selection and 3 Stanley Cups. He was a top-10 point scorer 5 times (top-5 twice) and had 4 top-10 goal scoring seasons. He'll bring great two-way play to our third line.

https://secure.cstek.com:/idb/hpics/media/web/image/nhl/chi/player/255002.jpg

Damnit. I was stuck between taking Vaive for my 3rd line RW or Thompson as my 3rd line LW. I guessed Thompson was the one least likely to be picked before my next pick came up. As usual, the guessing game backfires for me.

Thompson is a great choice; never won a scoring title, but had more total points than anyone else in the five year span of `33-`34 to `37-`38. Considering the high number of players from that era who were inducted in the Hall, it's shocking Thompson was overlooked.

pitseleh
04-19-2007, 06:16 PM
Damnit. I was stuck between taking Vaive for my 3rd line RW or Thompson as my 3rd line LW. I guessed Thompson was the one least likely to be picked before my next pick came up. As usual, the guessing game backfires for me.

Thompson is a great choice; never won a scoring title, but had more total points than anyone else in the five year span of `33-`34 to `37-`38. Considering the high number of players from that era who were inducted in the Hall, it's shocking Thompson was overlooked.

Consider it payback for taking Tkaczuk from under my nose. ;)

That's a very interesting stat about being the highest scorer for a five year span. My guess is there aren't a ton of guys who were able to do that, especially at this point of the draft.

I'm guessing Vaive was the safer bet to go if you hadn't picked him, I felt like I was going a little off the board with the pick, but I wanted to make sure I'd get Thompson.

VanIslander
04-19-2007, 06:19 PM
Starting my third line, the Clippers are proud to select LW Paul Thompson.
I thought about him since he coached a team in my hometown, Kamloops, though it was waaaay before my time, in the fifties.

He went from player to coach of the Chicago Blackhawks midway through his last playing season, showing his character, leadership, respect and knowledge of the game.

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/graphspot/one_cook06.jpg

Would have liked to see him play!

MXD
04-19-2007, 07:14 PM
Finally back from my exams today... It would have been better if I wouldn't have trashed all my notes - we had the right to use them for this one, but the questions were accordingly tougher.

Doug Weight... Let's say, he's a Cup Winner, has good size & grit, and great playmaking ability. He's a PPG guy during the Dead Puck Era (not taking into account his two first years before the DPA - a feat that shows his consistency, as his best season was 104 pts, and is also amazing since he didn't really got a goalscorer to play with until he was in St-Louis), and with his extreme passing bias, pretty much the perfect player to be paired with Peter Bondra for my third line. His responsible game fits a lot with my team philosophy for forwards, and gives us three scoring lines - meaning line matching will be extremely tough against my team, unless opponents have three checking lines, something I HIGHLY doubt. He could be used on the powerplay (along with Bondra) , but I'm not yet decided on that matter.

Evil Sather
04-19-2007, 07:33 PM
The New York Rangers are very pleased to take one of their own, Hall of Fame C Edgar Laprade.

A tremendous playmaking center and smooth skater, Edgar Laprade was one of the NHL's best forwards during the late 1940s. Blessed with exceptional lateral mobility and an effortless skating style, he was a brilliant penalty killer and determined checker. Laprade could also score and was one of the league's most dangerous skaters on the counterattack.

pitseleh
04-19-2007, 07:36 PM
The New York Rangers are very pleased to take one of their own, Hall of Fame C Edgar Laprade.

Laprade is great choice. One of the better 3rd line centers availble for the draft.

God Bless Canada
04-19-2007, 07:49 PM
I'll be around throughout the evening in case anyone needs me to announce their pick.

arrbez
04-19-2007, 08:10 PM
The Aurora Tigers select:

Ron Ellis

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/search/graphics/ellis.jpg

A Stanley Cup Champion, a great defensive player, a consistant scorer (an 11 time 20 goal man), and a guy who NEVER took penalties despite being asked to shadow the likes of Hull and Mahovlich in the NHL, and Kharlamov in the Summit Series (only 3 times in his entire career did he have more than 20 minutes in penalties, and 25 was his highest).

I believe Ellis will be a great addition to my squad.

"Prior to the 1968-69 schedule, former Maple Leafs great Irvine "Ace" Bailey insisted that Ellis wear his retired number 6 because he admired his high-caliber yet clean style of play."

Spitfire11
04-19-2007, 08:13 PM
The Aurora Tigers select:

Ron Ellis

A Stanley Cup Champion, a great defensive player, a consistant scorer (an 11 time 20 goal man), and a guy who NEVER took penalties despite being asked to shadow the likes of Hull and Mahovlich in the NHL, and Kharlamov in the Summit Series (only 3 times in his entire career did he have more than 20 minutes in penalties, and 25 was his highest).

I believe Ellis will be a great addition to my squad.

"Prior to the 1968-69 schedule, former Maple Leafs great Irvine "Ace" Bailey insisted that Ellis wear his retired number 6 because he admired his high-caliber yet clean style of play."

Ellis is a great pick, one of the best defensive players in the draft. I thought about taking him but felt my team needed more offense.

MXD
04-19-2007, 08:23 PM
The Aurora Tigers select:

Ron Ellis

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/search/graphics/ellis.jpg

A Stanley Cup Champion, a great defensive player, a consistant scorer (an 11 time 20 goal man), and a guy who NEVER took penalties despite being asked to shadow the likes of Hull and Mahovlich in the NHL, and Kharlamov in the Summit Series (only 3 times in his entire career did he have more than 20 minutes in penalties, and 25 was his highest).

I believe Ellis will be a great addition to my squad.

"Prior to the 1968-69 schedule, former Maple Leafs great Irvine "Ace" Bailey insisted that Ellis wear his retired number 6 because he admired his high-caliber yet clean style of play."

Great pick... And nice to see someone able to put value in the "discipline" of a player -- and especially a defensive one.

arrbez
04-19-2007, 08:28 PM
Great pick... And nice to see someone able to put value in the "discipline" of a player -- and especially a defensive one.

I figure with Linseman on that line, I don't need anyone else being a hero out there ;)

Evil Sather
04-19-2007, 09:14 PM
Great pick... And nice to see someone able to put value in the "discipline" of a player -- and especially a defensive one.

Edgar Laprade... 3 times he didn't take a SINGLE penalty in a season... 42 total penalty minutes for his CAREER. It was a factor :)

Evil Speaker
04-19-2007, 09:34 PM
D Sergei Gonchar

Two-time All-Star
Top ten scoring defencemen 7 times
Top 5 in Norris voting 3 times

VanIslander
04-19-2007, 09:38 PM
D Sergei Gonchar

Two-time All-Star
Top ten scoring defencemen 7 times
Top 5 in Norris voting 3 times
Two minutes ago I heard a CBC interview live with the Senators captain after the series-ending fifth game and the question was: How did the Sens shutdown the potent Pens powerplay that had given them trouble early in the series? The answer was: "We pressured the puck carrier and we took away Gonchar at the point."

Leaf Lander
04-19-2007, 09:49 PM
i was going to take rick vaive or ron ellis

there both gone

so my pick may take 30 min

I am on the clock baby

Leaf Lander
04-19-2007, 09:51 PM
:leafs quickly decide to take a generational talent in

Alexander Ovechkin LW

Alexander is an NHL franchise player who has natural scoring instincts and an all-around game. Possesses offensive flair like Ilya Kovalchuk and Nikolai Zherdev, but is more physical and uses his frame better. He Owns a deadly right-handed shot, and likes to play from his off-wing. He has improved his passing game and has backed up his confidence and brash talk with stellar end to end play superb skater with excellent acceleration and top speed...very good first step…maintains a fast tempo throughout the game...very hard to knock down with the puck...skates well through trafficAn already very mature player...terrific vision of the ice...great awareness of his teammates

VanIslander
04-19-2007, 10:05 PM
Alexander Ovechkin LW
198 points over two regular seasons, Calder, on one first all-star team, made the all-tourney team at the 2006 Olympics

an all-time HHOF career? no
a player worthy of remembering? perhaps

there have been some super two-year careers... and his belongs among them

Hockey Outsider
04-19-2007, 10:35 PM
Peak value should definitely hold value though. Otherwise Mike Gartner should have been picked before Cam Neely, or other such things. I take Nalyd Psycho's view, that a player with a dominant peak and some not so great seasons will be considered to be a game breaker but an inconsistent one, while a steady guy will be a consistent but unspectacular contributor in an ATD. The true elite guys will be the superstars game in and game out.

Agreed. When creating my team, and evaluating others, I always put more emphasis on peak value than career value. Gartner vs. Neely is a good example. Sure, Gartner was consistently very good over two decades. But we're not assembling teams to be competitve over two decades--we're trying to win the Milt Dunnell Cup in one season. Despite his short career, Neely was dominant and would be a significant asset to any team trying to win the Cup. Gartner, despite his consistency and longevity, would be a secondary player on most teams.

Of course, you need a mix of game-breakers and consistent players in supporting roles... but I believe that the best players are more likely to determine the outcome of any series.

Also, a peak that's too short can be misleading. I can name many examples of players with 1-2 incredible seasons (but I won't since it would break draft protocol about discussing undrafted players). These players are (rightfully) considered flukes because they couldn't sustain greatness over a reasonable period of time.

Leaf Lander
04-19-2007, 10:35 PM
He certainly adds to my entertaining team:)

VanIslander
04-19-2007, 10:47 PM
When creating my team, and evaluating others, I always put more emphasis on peak value than career value. ... we're not assembling teams to be competitve over two decades--we're trying to win the Milt Dunnell Cup in one season.
ah, but you don't get to choose WHICH season will be reflected produced by the player!! for many other g.m.s, question marks will surround a player picked for peak value over a more consistent performer

Hockey Outsider
04-19-2007, 10:58 PM
ah, but you don't get to choose WHICH season will be reflected produced by the player!! for many other g.m.s, question marks will surround a player picked for peak value over a more consistent performer

Indeed, it can sometimes lead to problems. For example, should I assume that Vancityluongo chose the Yzerman who scored 60 goals and 150 points, but didn't play defense and was sometimes criticized for a lack of leadership? Or did he choose the Conn Smythe winner who could play excellent defense, provide leadership, and contribute amazing playoff performances?

Is everybody going to assume that I chose the 150-PIM Mikita who fought every other game? Or did I choose the more disciplined Mikita who won Lady Byngs? (To make things more difficult, both "versions" of Mikita won 2 Art Ross trophies; the fighting Mikita won a Stanley Cup and (projected) Conn Smythe while the Lady Byng Mikita won two Harts).

Anyway, I agree that it will come down to personal judgement about who values what type of career, and what aspects of a player's style are most important. Should lead to some interesting debates during the playoffs.

Evil Sather
04-20-2007, 12:17 AM
198 points over two regular seasons, Calder, on one first all-star team, made the all-tourney team at the 2006 Olympics

an all-time HHOF career? no
a player worthy of remembering? perhaps

there have been some super two-year careers... and his belongs among them

Sure... Jimmy Carson... Jim Carrey (and if anyone selects either of them, they deserve to have their teams dispersed) but lets take Sidney Crosby vs. someone I was debating taking, namely Doug Weight.

Crosby has in his second year beaten Weight's best output, and has more 100 pt. seasons than he did. There was never a season Weight was considered a top 10 player. In Weight's best season, 95-96 he wasn't even in the top 5 CENTERS -- Lemieux, Forsberg, Sakic, Lindros, and Fedorov ALL had better seasons, not to mention guys like Ron Francis having a better statistical year and someone like Gretzky and Messier who were better #1 guys.

I can't in good faith take a guy who was very good, but never great instead of a guy who just blows him out of the water just because he's only played two seasons. Doing that is like taking a Hall of Fame player and selecting him over a guy you believe is a superior modern player just because he's been voted in the HoF. It's disingenuous.

In my mind, it's not a question.

John Flyers Fan
04-20-2007, 12:26 AM
Any chance Brett makes his pick before i go to bed ???

Leaf Lander
04-20-2007, 12:36 AM
john ill be up for 4 more hrs if u want me to pick for u

John Flyers Fan
04-20-2007, 12:40 AM
I'll be around until someone scores in Vancouver ... could be a while ... and then back up at 8am est.

John Flyers Fan
04-20-2007, 12:50 AM
Too many men on the ice costs the 'Nucks ... Don Cherry anyone ???

arrbez
04-20-2007, 12:55 AM
Too many men on the ice costs the 'Nucks ... Don Cherry anyone ???

Hey, don't mention undrafted players. Tough stay-at-home defencemen who saved their best for the NHL playoffs are in high demand. :teach:

shawnmullin
04-20-2007, 12:56 AM
198 points over two regular seasons, Calder, on one first all-star team, made the all-tourney team at the 2006 Olympics

an all-time HHOF career? no
a player worthy of remembering? perhaps

there have been some super two-year careers... and his belongs among them

So why do you question a similar pick with Crosby but give credit to Ovechkin, hmm? ;)

Nalyd Psycho
04-20-2007, 01:52 AM
Damnit. I was stuck between taking Vaive for my 3rd line RW or Thompson as my 3rd line LW. I guessed Thompson was the one least likely to be picked before my next pick came up. As usual, the guessing game backfires for me.

Thompson is a great choice; never won a scoring title, but had more total points than anyone else in the five year span of `33-`34 to `37-`38. Considering the high number of players from that era who were inducted in the Hall, it's shocking Thompson was overlooked.

At this point it's best to just forget about who will go where and take the player you want the most.

Zetterberg4Captain*
04-20-2007, 02:00 AM
The Saskatoon Blues are proud to select Vic Hadfield.

Wisent
04-20-2007, 03:39 AM
Edgar Laprade... 3 times he didn't take a SINGLE penalty in a season... 42 total penalty minutes for his CAREER. It was a factor :)

I was actually considering Laprade for my 4th line if Ricci was gone. I figured he would be wasted there. That is why I pick Ricci. He is better suited for the 4th line in an ATD I think.
Anyways, Laprade is a great pick.

John Flyers Fan
04-20-2007, 08:56 AM
I'm not a big fan of taking players that are currently still active and in their prime or earlier, but I don't think I can pass up the versatility and playoff performance of Chris Drury.

Can play wing or center. Can win big face-offs. Can play the point on the power play. Can kill penalties. Can play 2nd line wing, 3rd line wing, 3rd line center or anywhere on a 4th line.

1 Stanley Cup ... could have a 2nd before this draft ends
14 career playoff game winning goals ... and counting
Calder Trophy winner
Hobey Baker winner
NCAA Champion
LLWS Champion

Could also have a Conn Smythe on his resume before this draft ends.

#66
04-20-2007, 09:26 AM
I'm not a big fan of taking players that are currently still active and in their prime or earlier, but I don't think I can pass up the versatility and playoff performance of Chris Drury.

Can play wing or center. Can win big face-offs. Can play the point on the power play. Can kill penalties. Can play 2nd line wing, 3rd line wing, 3rd line center or anywhere on a 4th line.

2 Stanley Cups ... could have a 3rd before this draft ends
14 career playoff game winning goals ... and counting
Calder Trophy winner
Hobey Baker winner
NCAA Champion
LLWS Champion

Could also have a Conn Smythe on his resume before this draft ends.Nice pick John. I was actually thinking about him too. 14 career playoff GWG's is a very nice stat. Plus ability wise he's a very well rounded player.

Spitfire11
04-20-2007, 10:24 AM
I'm not a big fan of taking players that are currently still active and in their prime or earlier, but I don't think I can pass up the versatility and playoff performance of Chris Drury.

Can play wing or center. Can win big face-offs. Can play the point on the power play. Can kill penalties. Can play 2nd line wing, 3rd line wing, 3rd line center or anywhere on a 4th line.

2 Stanley Cups ... could have a 3rd before this draft ends
14 career playoff game winning goals ... and counting
Calder Trophy winner
Hobey Baker winner
NCAA Champion
LLWS Champion

Could also have a Conn Smythe on his resume before this draft ends.

I was going to pick him several rounds down the road and fully expected to get roasted for it. Good pick.

pappyline
04-20-2007, 10:47 AM
I'm not a big fan of taking players that are currently still active and in their prime or earlier, but I don't think I can pass up the versatility and playoff performance of Chris Drury.

Can play wing or center. Can win big face-offs. Can play the point on the power play. Can kill penalties. Can play 2nd line wing, 3rd line wing, 3rd line center or anywhere on a 4th line.

2 Stanley Cups ... could have a 3rd before this draft ends
14 career playoff game winning goals ... and counting
Calder Trophy winner
Hobey Baker winner
NCAA Champion
LLWS Champion

Could also have a Conn Smythe on his resume before this draft ends.
I too am averse to picking active players and in fact have never done so in the 3 drafts I have been in. Not that I disparage any one for doing so. I must admit that, in this draft with 28 GM's, I have been tempted. However, it just seems more fun to pick retired players from the different eras.

Pwnasaurus
04-20-2007, 10:58 AM
LLWS Champion



This would seal it for me....there's usually a run on LLWS champions much earlier than this point and he's easily the best one in the ATD. Well played.

MXD
04-20-2007, 11:02 AM
Sure... Jimmy Carson... Jim Carrey (and if anyone selects either of them, they deserve to have their teams dispersed) but lets take Sidney Crosby vs. someone I was debating taking, namely Doug Weight.

Crosby has in his second year beaten Weight's best output, and has more 100 pt. seasons than he did. There was never a season Weight was considered a top 10 player. In Weight's best season, 95-96 he wasn't even in the top 5 CENTERS -- Lemieux, Forsberg, Sakic, Lindros, and Fedorov ALL had better seasons, not to mention guys like Ron Francis having a better statistical year and someone like Gretzky and Messier who were better #1 guys.

I can't in good faith take a guy who was very good, but never great instead of a guy who just blows him out of the water just because he's only played two seasons. Doing that is like taking a Hall of Fame player and selecting him over a guy you believe is a superior modern player just because he's been voted in the HoF. It's disingenuous.

In my mind, it's not a question.

Well... Weight is a PPG guy in the trap era, and never played with a gifted goalscorer until 2000 (I think... whenever he joined St-Louis).

But this said... I would NEVER, EVER considered taking Weight for 2nd line duty - even not for the LW spot, as I consider him much more useful as a center than a LW.

There are guys who had similar career output to Weight, and a few remaining had a better output. However, they were either useless on the more "defensive" side of game, or not really suited to the line I was projecting him to play. As a comparison, take Roenick (taken earlier). While he had an offensive output that could be considered better than Weight, as a 3rd line guy, slated to center Peter Bondra... That wouldn't be an optimal use of my players, something I could do with Weight.

If Crosby's career would end like... now. He would never, ever, ever get considerated for HOF, even if he continues the way he started his career, he's heading straight for the Hall. But for a late 2nd Center choice (where you picked him)... he's a great choice for sure, even if a somewhat unproven one.

Anyways... Didn't you had Weight on your team on previous drafts? :yo:

John Flyers Fan
04-20-2007, 11:05 AM
This would seal it for me....there's usually a run on LLWS champions much earlier than this point and he's easily the best one in the ATD. Well played.

Who knows when we might have to face Chinese Taipei .....

Pwnasaurus
04-20-2007, 11:06 AM
Who knows when we might have to face Chinese Taipei .....

Or Toms River, NJ (semi local shamless plug)

arrbez
04-20-2007, 11:22 AM
I'm not a big fan of taking players that are currently still active and in their prime or earlier, but I don't think I can pass up the versatility and playoff performance of Chris Drury.

Can play wing or center. Can win big face-offs. Can play the point on the power play. Can kill penalties. Can play 2nd line wing, 3rd line wing, 3rd line center or anywhere on a 4th line.

2 Stanley Cups ... could have a 3rd before this draft ends
14 career playoff game winning goals ... and counting
Calder Trophy winner
Hobey Baker winner
NCAA Champion
LLWS Champion

Could also have a Conn Smythe on his resume before this draft ends.

He only has 1 Cup...but solid pick nonetheless. Someone I was looking at a little later on.

John Flyers Fan
04-20-2007, 11:24 AM
Or Toms River, NJ (semi local shamless plug)

Ahhh memories ... used to beat Toms River like a drum in hockey some time ago.

pitseleh
04-20-2007, 12:31 PM
That's funny, while watching the Buffalo/New York series the other night, I was thinking Drury would be the perfect 13th forward. Clutch player who is versatile enough to play on several lines. He's the kind of guy you want on your teams.

Spitfire11
04-20-2007, 01:24 PM
arrbez, what is that Tie Domi look-a-like in your 'my photos' section from?....hilarious

hockeyfan125
04-20-2007, 03:08 PM
woohoo, another player slips to me:

D - Jim Schoenfeld

Murphy
04-20-2007, 03:11 PM
woohoo, another player slips to me:

Me too!

The Edmonton Oilers select: Craig Hartsburg

pitseleh
04-20-2007, 03:15 PM
You guys suck, I was hoping one of Hartsburg or Schoenfeld would fall to me. :(

Murphy
04-20-2007, 03:24 PM
Its pretty slim pickings for all-round 2nd pairing defenseman at this point, much to my chagrin. There's some gritty guys, offensive guys, shut down guys but not many left, if any that have the whole package.

pitseleh
04-20-2007, 03:34 PM
Its pretty slim pickings for all-round 2nd pairing defenseman at this point, much to my chagrin. There's some gritty guys, offensive guys, shut down guys but not many left, if any that have the whole package.

That's why I'm glad I got mine while I did. :D

Nalyd Psycho
04-20-2007, 03:37 PM
Yeah, I'm beginning to feel the pinch looking for 3rd pairing guys.

Wisent
04-20-2007, 04:59 PM
Say, stupid question. I just watch the 72 summit series on DVD (only saw it on VHS so far) and it has really crappy quality (just watched game 1 so far) from time to time. Is that normal or is that my player?

pitseleh
04-20-2007, 05:02 PM
Say, stupid question. I just watch the 72 summit series on DVD (only saw it on VHS so far) and it has really crappy quality (just watched game 1 so far) from time to time. Is that normal or is that my player?

There were definitely times on the DVD where it had interference and the like. It was just the poor broadcast quality at the time, IIRC. Can't remember specifically where though.

Wisent
04-20-2007, 05:07 PM
There were definitely times on the DVD where it had interference and the like. It was just the poor broadcast quality at the time, If I recall correctly. Can't remember specifically where though.

Ok, than I don`t need to complain to the seller. There were parts were the motion looked robotic and stuff like that. Can`t remember it was like that on VHS. Still great to watch.

pitseleh
04-20-2007, 05:14 PM
Ok, than I don`t need to complain to the seller. There were parts were the motion looked robotic and stuff like that. Can`t remember it was like that on VHS. Still great to watch.

I don't remember anything like that. It was more just poor transmission quality. You may want to test the game on someone else's DVD player just in case.

Hockey Outsider
04-20-2007, 05:38 PM
Ok, than I don`t need to complain to the seller. There were parts were the motion looked robotic and stuff like that. Can`t remember it was like that on VHS. Still great to watch.

The DVD has quite a few audio and/or visual lags and occasional black or fuzzy screens. It's not too bad for the first four games, but the quality is quite poor for the four games in Moscow.

VanIslander
04-20-2007, 06:40 PM
I'm waiting for someone to draft Zach Parise.

He has as many GWGs than any two-year career youngster (13) and a decent playoff production (7g 9pts in 13 games) including a league-leading 6 goals this postseason. Those are better clutch stats than in Crosby's career. So why not?

Reductio ad absurdum.

BM67
04-20-2007, 06:52 PM
The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select one of only two goalies with both a Hart and a Conn Smythe (http://www.hhof.com/html/newsconn.shtml) in "Bonnie Prince Charlie"

Chuck Rayner (http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?type=Player&mem=P197302&list=ByName#photo)

A superb skater, it was not unusual to see Rayner carrying the puck down the ice. "(Eddie Shore in Springfield) always told me you have to have balance on your skates and you would just find yourself moving out to get the puck." Although his dream was to be the first goalkeeper to score a goal in the NHL, he did not achieve his dream - but it certainly wasn't through a lack of effort. "I got to the blueline against Toronto one night. They had pulled Broda for an extra attacker late in the game. I stopped the puck and shot it down the ice. It bounced off the boards and suddenly, it started going straight for the empty net. Well, you could have heard a pin drop in Madison Square Garden, the people were so quiet. But at the last moment, it swerved and missed going in by just a couple of inches," Rayner reminisced. He did score against an opposing goaltender while playing during the war. "I was on a Navy team during World War II. We were playing an Army team in Vancouver. It was a rough game and at one point, the penalty boxes were full. Bill Carse, who had played for the Chicago Black Hawks, led a rush into our zone. Carse had a terrific shot and he let one go. The damn puck hit me in the chest and bounced way out. I looked up and couldn't see anything but that puck and Art Jones, the goaltender, at the other end. So I started (skating) and I got going so fast, I couldn't stop. I thought, "The hell with it. I must as well keep going." Everybody was so stunned they didn't know what was happening. I didn't even bother to deke. I got to the other end, let one go about an inch off the ice and she went in." It wasn't until Jacques Plante starred with Montreal a decade later that other goalkeepers exhibited strong puckhandling and playmaking skills.

During the late 1940s, the New York Rangers used Rayner on the point during powerplays late in a handful of games. "That was Frank (Boucher's) idea all the way. I used to do a lot of skating and shooting in practice, so he decided to try it in a game. I'd only come out half way up the blueline. It only happened four of five times," laughed Rayner. - Legends of Hockey Spotlight (http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/spot_oneononep197302.htm)

He was an NHL Second Team All-Star and appeared in the All Star game in 1949, 1950, and 1951. He is one of only five goalies to be awarded the Hart Trophy as most valuable player, winning the award in 1950. But more than awards and accolades, he was also known as one of the first wandering goalies. On more than one occasion he made a save and skated up ice with the puck before hustling back into goal. Twice in particular he came right in on the opposition goalie in an NHL game and almost scored! - HHoF Bio (http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p197302&type=Player&page=bio&list=ByName#photo)

1949-50 Chuck Rayner-NY Rangers Deserves the purple heart for leading a band of journeymen to the seventh game of the finals. Saved 92% of the shots that he faced, even though it was often a barrage. Held Montreal to only seven goals in five games. Stopped 39 shots in final game loss to Detroit. Circus in New York cut back on the Rangers home games in the final. - New Conn Smythe (http://www.hhof.com/html/newsconn.shtml)

Despite his relatively short 10-season NHL career (1945-1953), goaltender Charlie (Chuck) Rayner quickly became one the most popular players in Rangers’ history. He was voted the team’s most valuable player three times, and won the Hart Trophy as the NHL’s MVP in 1950, only the second goalie in League history to win the award at the time. He was elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1973.

Born Claude Earl Rayner in Sutherland, Saskatchewan, on August 11, 1920, Rayner began his NHL career with the now-defunct New York Americans in 1939. After three years in the Canadian military, Rayner was signed by the Rangers as a free agent in 1945. He played eight seasons with the Rangers, retiring with knee problem following the 1952-53 season. - New York Rangers Alumni Spotlight (http://rangers.nhl.com/club/page.htm?bcid=tra_alumnispotlight_Rayner)

"Playing for a mediocre Ranger team that never finished higher than fourth, Bonnie Prince Charlie led the Rangers to upset the Canadiens in the 1950 playoffs. They went on to the final round against the Detroit Red Wings. Playing not one home game, they surprised the entire NHL with their strong bid, only to lose the seventh game in dramatic fashion - in an electrifying, double-overtime affair." - The All-New Hockey's 100

"The best individual goaltending I ever witnessed was Bernie Parent in the playoffs [in 1974 and 1975] and the next best goalkeeping was Chuck Rayner in the 1950 playoffs." - Emile Francis

"You would be going in on Charlie and that stick would come out like a serpent's tongue. You'd be on your fanny in no time." - Ted Kennedy

"I owe a lot of my success to Prince Charlie. Chuck was the person who taught me the pokecheck while I was with the Rangers in 1953-54. I really appreciate what he did for me in my career." - Johnny Bower

VanIslander
04-20-2007, 06:59 PM
Rayner is a great pick. Now we're talking! :clap:

He did score against an opposing goaltender while playing during the war. "I was on a Navy team during World War II. We were playing an Army team in Vancouver. It was a rough game and at one point, the penalty boxes were full. Bill Carse, who had played for the Chicago Black Hawks, led a rush into our zone. Carse had a terrific shot and he let one go. The damn puck hit me in the chest and bounced way out. I looked up and couldn't see anything but that puck and Art Jones, the goaltender, at the other end. So I started (skating) and I got going so fast, I couldn't stop. I thought, "The hell with it. I must as well keep going." Everybody was so stunned they didn't know what was happening. I didn't even bother to deke. I got to the other end, let one go about an inch off the ice and she went in."
:biglaugh: great story! ...

I wonder when the rule against goalies crossing centre ice began. Anyone know?

vancityluongo
04-20-2007, 07:13 PM
Jeez Louise, Papa Cheese! I wanted Ovechkin, Weight, Tkachuk, and St. Louis. Oh well, good picks everyone.

God Bless Canada
04-20-2007, 07:30 PM
Well played, BM. Rayner is the best goalie available. Better than a couple of the No. 1's selected, and one or two of the back-ups.

John Flyers Fan
04-20-2007, 07:54 PM
Me too!

The Edmonton Oilers select: Craig Hartsburg

Good pick ... I thought he'd slip another few picks.

God Bless Canada
04-20-2007, 08:00 PM
Its pretty slim pickings for all-round 2nd pairing defenseman at this point, much to my chagrin. There's some gritty guys, offensive guys, shut down guys but not many left, if any that have the whole package.
Agreed. That's why I picked Persson right after Mortson. At that point, I thought the pickings for good second pairing defencemen were slim. When I see guys like Duchesne, Iafrate and Gonchar getting picked, it re-affirms my decision to pick Persson.

There are lots of third-pairing guys on the market. But if you're looking for a No. 2 pairing defenceman, then you're in trouble.

Anyways, I have to head out for the night. I don't think it'll get back to my pick. The bottom end of the odd-numbered rounds is strong, but not that strong. 17 picks on a Friday night would be remarkable.

Spitfire11
04-20-2007, 08:07 PM
Well I've gone off the board on so many (pretty much all) of my picks with a plan in mind. I've put together a tough, physical team with one of the best forechecks in the draft, good two-way forwards, a rock-solid top 3, and IMO the most clutch goaltender of all-time.

Detroit takes the perfect coach for our team, the inventor of 'the trap' (as far as I can tell..) coach Tommy Gorman

Gorman coached his two Cup victories with the Maroons and Blackhawks. He took over coaching the Blackhawks midway through the '32-'33 season and led the Blackhawks to their 1st Stanley Cup just a year later. The following year he continued his success, coaching the Maroons to their 2nd Stanley Cup in franchise history. He also spent time as a GM, winning 3 Cups for Ottawa and 2 for the Canadiens.

This is earlier than I wanted to take him, but I just can't risk missing out on someone who will be such an important part of our team's success.

Spitfire11
04-20-2007, 08:10 PM
I'm waiting for someone to draft Zach Parise.

He has as many GWGs than any two-year career youngster (13) and a decent playoff production (7g 9pts in 13 games) including a league-leading 6 goals this postseason. Those are better clutch stats than in Crosby's career. So why not?

Reductio ad absurdum.

Please don't mention undrafted players....:sarcasm:

pappyline
04-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Well I've gone off the board on so many (pretty much all) of my picks with a plan in mind. I've put together a tough, physical team with one of the best forechecks in the draft, good two-way forwards, a rock-solid top 3, and IMO the most clutch goaltender of all-time.

Detroit takes the perfect coach for our team, the inventor of 'the trap' (as far as I can tell..) coach Tommy Gorman

Gorman coached his two Cup victories with the Maroons and Blackhawks. He took over coaching the Blackhawks midway through the '32-'33 season and led the Blackhawks to their 1st Stanley Cup just a year later. The following year he continued his success, coaching the Maroons to their 2nd Stanley Cup in franchise history. He also spent time as a GM, winning 3 Cups for Ottawa and 2 for the Canadiens.

This is earlier than I wanted to take him, but I just can't risk missing out on someone who will be such an important part of our team's success.
I had him in the last draft at #416 after almost all the top coaches were gone. Maybe picked a little early as few coaches are gone yet. Probably not on most people's wave length (except mine) but a very successful coach. I thought he would fall to me again while I focused on players.

pitseleh
04-20-2007, 08:26 PM
If anyone needs someone to send picks to, I'll be able to check in through the night.

Murphy
04-20-2007, 09:02 PM
Good pick ... I thought he'd slip another few picks.

I went on a pretty exhaustive search for defenseman. Probably spent more time on this search than in any other time on any other draft, and I was shocked at the lack of all-around quality left.

I was looking for a guy with grit, shutdown ability and hopefully some offensive upside and Hartsburg is who I came up. From what I could find there's only one Hall of Famer and a few others left that have a good all-round game and they all lacked the grit I was looking for. There's probably a few euro's left that bring a complete game but other than that I was definitely caught napping on the defensemen. Especially considering the fact that two of my first four picks were dmen.

That said, there's definitely some quality, strictly shutdown guys left that I'd love to have.

I was feeling a little bad for Las Vegas, seeing as they don't have any picks for awhile. Then I looked at their forwards and suddenly didn't feel so bad for them anymore............:p:

Murphy
04-20-2007, 09:09 PM
Rayner is a great pick. Now we're talking!

I thought I was being pretty astute snapping up what I thought were the best two goaltenders left, especially picking just before the boss. I have to say I completely overlooked Rayner.

I'd still rather have my two (Vachon was a childhood favourite) But Rayner definitely has just as good or not better credentials. There's another one left out there who seems pretty similiar as well.

BTW: I have ralehs pick via GBG. As soon as HFF picks maybe we can get on a roll.

arrbez
04-20-2007, 09:40 PM
arrbez, what is that Tie Domi look-a-like in your 'my photos' section from?....hilarious

It's a Goomba from the awfull, awfull Super Mario Bros movie they made back in the early 90's. I was watching an interview with Domi and it just hit me.

http://hfboards.com/imagehosting/19467460b2ae4d2f5b.jpg

It's not even a passing resemblance, they have the exact same bone structure. It's eery.

pappyline
04-20-2007, 09:46 PM
If anyone needs someone to send picks to, I'll be able to check in through the night.
Unless things get going soon, I will PM you a short list. Damit, I thought I might make my picks tonight. I always seem to come up in the middle of the night EST. I think in the next draft we need to shorten the pick time drastically & force people to PM their picks. From what i can see only a very few do it.

Spitfire11
04-20-2007, 09:47 PM
I had him in the last draft at #416 after almost all the top coaches were gone. Maybe picked a little early as few coaches are gone yet. Probably not on most people's wave length (except mine) but a very successful coach. I thought he would fall to me again while I focused on players.

Yeah, most people probably have no clue who he is (heck, I didn't before this draft started), but in terms of great coaches there are very few who won playing defensive systems and Gorman (along with Lemaire) are the best. With all the teams in my division loaded on offense we're going to have to beat them using the trap so I had to take one of the few coaches who had great success using it.

Pwnasaurus
04-20-2007, 09:48 PM
I'll be gone from like 10:30pm est to 1am est. LMK if I should PM my short list.

pappyline
04-20-2007, 09:49 PM
Yeah, most people probably have no clue who he is (heck, I didn't before this draft started), but in terms of great coaches there are very few who won playing defensive systems and Gorman (along with Lemaire) are the best. With all the teams in my division loaded on offense we're going to have to beat them using the trap so I had to take one of the few coaches who had great success using it.
Sounds like you did some good research. i wasn't aware that he used the trap.

Evil Speaker
04-20-2007, 09:50 PM
Agreed. That's why I picked Persson right after Mortson. At that point, I thought the pickings for good second pairing defencemen were slim. When I see guys like Duchesne, Iafrate and Gonchar getting picked, it re-affirms my decision to pick Persson.

There are lots of third-pairing guys on the market. But if you're looking for a No. 2 pairing defenceman, then you're in trouble.

Anyways, I have to head out for the night. I don't think it'll get back to my pick. The bottom end of the odd-numbered rounds is strong, but not that strong. 17 picks on a Friday night would be remarkable.

Gonchar was the best offensive defencemen remaining who has size and can kill penalties (although he wont be doing that for my team). He may not be the most intimidating physical defenceman but thats why I have Ted Green. I believe this is also the latest he's ever been picked.

Murphy
04-20-2007, 09:53 PM
Unless things get going soon, I will PM you a short list. Damit, I thought I might make my picks tonight. I always seem to come up in the middle of the night EST. I think in the next draft we need to shorten the pick time drastically & force people to PM their picks. From what i can see only a very few do it.

If we end up splitting the draft in two, I want in on the one that only has a six hour limit and a live draft.

I'm not up to anything tonight but this, if anyone needs to pm a list.

Murphy
04-20-2007, 09:56 PM
Gonchar was the best offensive defencemen remaining who has size and can kill penalties (although he wont be doing that for my team). He may not be the most intimidating physical defenceman but thats why I have Ted Green. I believe this is also the latest he's ever been picked.

Gonchar pairs up with Green quite nicely actually.

pappyline
04-20-2007, 10:03 PM
If we end up splitting the draft in two, I want in on the one that only has a six hour limit and a live draft.

I'm not up to anything tonight but this, if anyone needs to pm a list.
I want to be in your group. Let the guys that agonize for hours making their picks be in the other group. we can have a nice rest before the playoffs.

pappyline
04-20-2007, 10:10 PM
Rayner is a great pick & a great #1 goalie to get so late in the draft. There is too much emphasis on cup wins in picking goalies. How many cups would Rayner have won if he was a Hab, Leaf or Wing? Worsely(my goalie) is a good example. He got traded to Montreal & won some cups. If he had played his entire career as a ranger & won none, would he have been as well thhought of? Probably not.

Leaf Lander
04-21-2007, 12:14 AM
im not available for a live= draft till after 9 pm est

i work till that time

hockeyfan125
04-21-2007, 01:53 AM
figured it would be a good time to get a coach..

Dick Irvin.

raleh
04-21-2007, 02:43 AM
Murphy2, ignore my last pm! sorry!

Montreal is proud to select a defenceman that has been in the system for 3 drafts now. Had him in the minor league in #5 and he was on my third pairing in #6. Once again he'll be on the third pairing, and for the first time I've drafted a teammate of his in Reggie Leach. A bit of a sentimental pick as I really like what I've read about this guy, D Ed Van Impe

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 03:09 AM
I'm not so sold on Rayner, he had a great run between '48 and '52 But, outside that four season stretch, he wasn't particularly special. Good pick, but there are two goalies on the board I prefer, (One of whom I really want as a back-up...) largely because I try to find a balance between peak value and career value. Rayner has the peak value but is lacking in career value.

Interesting choices on coaches. Not surprised to see Irvin so high. But, I don't rate him nearly as high. A bit of a choker who caused plenty of finals burnouts.

Gorman is a damn good pick. Came across him while research coaches in the minor league draft last time, obviously couldn't take him, but was intrigued none the less. But, coaching synergy is a big deal for me, and he doesn't fit my team. I can assure you, the Eagles won't be trapping. Although my personal opinion is that...Content censored in the interest of draft secrecy.

Wisent
04-21-2007, 04:51 AM
The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select one of only two goalies with both a Hart and a Conn Smythe (http://www.hhof.com/html/newsconn.shtml) in "Bonnie Prince Charlie"

Chuck Rayner (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?type=Player&mem=P197302&list=ByName#photo)

- Legends of Hockey Spotlight (http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/spot_oneononep197302.htm)

- HHoF Bio (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p197302&type=Player&page=bio&list=ByName#photo)

- New Conn Smythe (http://www.hhof.com/html/newsconn.shtml)

- New York Rangers Alumni Spotlight (http://www.newyorkrangers.com/tradition/alumnispotlight.asp?Alumni=Rayner)

"Playing for a mediocre Ranger team that never finished higher than fourth, Bonnie Prince Charlie led the Rangers to upset the Canadiens in the 1950 playoffs. They went on to the final round against the Detroit Red Wings. Playing not one home game, they surprised the entire NHL with their strong bid, only to lose the seventh game in dramatic fashion - in an electrifying, double-overtime affair." - The All-New Hockey's 100

"The best individual goaltending I ever witnessed was Bernie Parent in the playoffs [in 1974 and 1975] and the next best goalkeeping was Chuck Rayner in the 1950 playoffs." - Emile Francis

"You would be going in on Charlie and that stick would come out like a serpent's tongue. You'd be on your fanny in no time." - Ted Kennedy

"I owe a lot of my success to Prince Charlie. Chuck was the person who taught me the pokecheck while I was with the Rangers in 1953-54. I really appreciate what he did for me in my career." - Johnny Bower

Rayner is a good pick. I was considering him as well but had too many other holes to fill so I couldn`t pick a goalie.

BM67
04-21-2007, 07:16 AM
I'm not so sold on Rayner, he had a great run between '48 and '52 But, outside that four season stretch, he wasn't particularly special. Good pick, but there are two goalies on the board I prefer, (One of whom I really want as a back-up...) largely because I try to find a balance between peak value and career value. Rayner has the peak value but is lacking in career value.

I don't think you can hold the three years he lost to military service against him, but even without them his career was longer than quite a few players already drafted. As for his peak, consider he was tied for 4th in Hart voting in 46-47, lost most of 47-48 to injury, had his best years 48-49 to 50-51, then had a knee injury in 51-52 that ultimately ended his career in 52-53.

Wisent
04-21-2007, 09:39 AM
It's a Goomba from the awfull, awfull Super Mario Bros movie they made back in the early 90's. I was watching an interview with Domi and it just hit me.

http://hfboards.com/imagehosting/19467460b2ae4d2f5b.jpg

It's not even a passing resemblance, they have the exact same bone structure. It's eery.

Uncanny

John Flyers Fan
04-21-2007, 11:30 AM
Anyone going to be around so I can PM a list to ???

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 11:32 AM
Anyone going to be around so I can PM a list to ???
I should be around for the rest of the morning.

kruezer's time limit expires in under 15 minutes. pappy did send me a list a couple of days ago, so if he's not around soon, I'll announce his pick.

Pwnasaurus
04-21-2007, 11:36 AM
ok I was going to send a list also but it sounds like either way we can get to my 1st pick in a few minutes regardless.

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 11:38 AM
It'd probably be a good idea to send a list for your 14th rounder if you're not going to be around for long. We've seen how rapid-fire this draft can get when we get to guys like you, JFF, pit, #66 and pappy.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 11:38 AM
Yeah, if #66 wanders on in the next little bit we should be able to get through quite a few picks in the next little while.

John Flyers Fan
04-21-2007, 11:40 AM
I'll be in and out for the next few hours getting things done outside before the Calgary-Detroit game comes on.

I left two names with GBC.

Hopefully we can get rolling again. I'm out for now.

pappyline
04-21-2007, 11:42 AM
Barrie Flyers select Charlie Simmer who should be a good fit as LW on my second line with hedberg & Nilsson.

"A resilient and talented sniper, Charlie Simmer scored 342 times in 712 regular-season games"

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 11:45 AM
I had Simmer in the last minor league draft. Got him with my first pick. I felt a two-time first-team all-star LW was a no-brainer at that point in the draft. Good work, pappy.

I have JFF's pick. The Philadelphia Flyers are pleased to select one of the game's true early greats: D Eddie Gerard.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 11:47 AM
I have JFF's pick. The Philadelphia Flyers are pleased to select one of the game's true early greats: D Eddie Gerard.

Great choice, excellent all around defenseman who was capable of shutting down the opposition while putting up relatively good numbers.

Pwnasaurus
04-21-2007, 11:48 AM
The Kansas City Scouts are pleased to select LW- Harry P. Watson

Hockey Outsider
04-21-2007, 11:54 AM
I have a list from #66. Les A's de Quebec are pleased to select RW Bobby Bauer, a Royal Canadian Air Force veteran and a member of Boston's dominant Kraut Line.

#66's description:
"Robert Theodore "Bobby" Bauer successfully fused skillful play and sportsmanship during his 10 years with the Boston Bruins, earning much acclaim as the right winger on the famed Kraut Line with Milt Schmidt and Woody Dumart. Bauer amassed 260 points in 328 regular season games in a career that was interrupted by his service with the Royal Canadian Air Force during World War II.

Toward the end of the 1941-42 season, Bauer--along with linemates Schmidt and Dumart--became the first big-league players to join the Royal Canadian Air Force. Initially they were based in Ottawa and continued to play hockey for the Ottawa Commandos who were affiliated with the Quebec Senior League. That spring, they led the club to the Allan Cup championship. The following year the Kraut Line was stationed in Halifax, where they helped that team capture the city championship. The next season this squad continued to function independently and play exhibition matches. Bauer and his linemates spent 1943-1945 engaged in combat on behalf of their country.

Bauer returned to Boston for two more seasons, from 1945 to 1947. In his first year back, his post-season play was particularly strong as he aided the Bruins' drive to the Stanley Cup final, where they came up short against the Montreal Canadiens. In 1946-47 he enjoyed a personal-best 30-goal season and won his third Lady Byng Trophy."

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 11:55 AM
Great choice, excellent all around defenseman who was capable of shutting down the opposition while putting up relatively good numbers.
Yep. Ah, for the days when I scooped up Gerard midway through the minor league draft. Those days are over, though.

#66 just got the steal of the draft. Period. I was waiting to pull the trigger on selecting Bauer. Got scared away by his lack of size/physical play. But he was a marvellous player, better than probably half the guys selected ahead of him. I was finally going to pick him next round if he was available.

And Bauer was a war vet. You can't beat that. Unless we're talking about a war vet from Saskatchewan.

Spitfire11
04-21-2007, 11:57 AM
The Kansas City Scouts are pleased to select LW- Harry P. Watson

Good pick. Although he's one of the worst HHOF inductees, he was a good strong powerfoward who took very few penalties and IMO from what I've learned, one of the top 3 fighters from the original six era (along with Bouchard and an undrafted player).

kruezer
04-21-2007, 11:57 AM
Yikes, sorry about that guys, I was on here ready to pick and I actually fell asleep before I could do it. That said, the guy I was after did not get picked Seattle selects Peter McNab.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 12:01 PM
I was wondering when Bauer was going to go.

First, the Clippers are proud to select RW Bobby Rousseau.

An excellent defensive player often responsible for shutting down the opposition’s best, Rousseau was top-5 in assists three times and top-10 in points twice. He also was a big part of four cup winners and has a post-season All Star selection to his name. He’ll fit in perfectly on our third line with Thompson, providing extremely strong two way play.

https://secure.cstek.com:/idb/hpics/media/web/image/nhl/mon/player/222706.jpg

Second, the Clippers are proud to announce the selection of their coach, Hap Day.

Though he wasn’t the longest serving coach, Day was incredibly successful. In his 10 seasons as the Leafs’ coach, he won 5 Stanley Cups (and was 5-0 in Cup Finals). His focus as a coach was on defense, and his teams were always the best prepared teams in the league. He rewarded hard work, as status alone wouldn’t get you ice time. His philosophy fits into the group we’re assembling on the Clippers, with a top-notch goaltender, a strong defense corps and a forward group filled with players who are very good to excellent defensively. Ted Kennedy was once quoted as saying, “We won five championships basically because of our coaching.”

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/graphspot/one_horton01.jpg

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 12:04 PM
#66 just got the steal of the draft. Period. I was waiting to pull the trigger on selecting Bauer. Got scared away by his lack of size/physical play. But he was a marvellous player, better than probably half the guys selected ahead of him. I was finally going to pick him next round if he was available.

And Bauer was a war vet. You can't beat that. Unless we're talking about a war vet from Saskatchewan.

Yeah, I figured Bauer would have gone rounds earlier. He wasn't going to be a great fit on my team, otherwise I would have been all over him.

Spitfire11
04-21-2007, 12:06 PM
A solid defensive forward, playoff scorer, and 2-time Stanley Cup winner (scoring 10+ goals both times)
RW Jamie Langenbrunner

Pwnasaurus
04-21-2007, 12:09 PM
The Kansas City Scouts are pleased to select their coach Fred Shero who will lead this tough, physical squad.

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 12:12 PM
I think this group of GM's deliberately tries to top themselves every chance they get.

With the 10th pick in the last 30 minutes, the Philadelphia Flyers are pleased to select a GBC sentimental favourite, the last captain of a Vancouver franchise to win the Stanley Cup (hopefully Markus Naslund chances that this year): D Si Griffths.

BM67
04-21-2007, 12:16 PM
Yet you still keep spelling his name wrong!

Si Griffis (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?type=Player&mem=P195004&list=ByName#photo)

pappyline
04-21-2007, 12:19 PM
Pappyline is happy to announce the selection of Tod Sloan who will center Barrie's third line with Ed Litzenberger on one wing. This is 2/3 of the original pappy line. Highest scoring line in the NHL in 58-59.

kruezer
04-21-2007, 01:03 PM
I am driving back to Alberta tomorrow morning, I will hopefully be able to get online once a day on my way back, but since I can't be sure I will need to send a list for the next 4 or 5 days or so, who would be prepared to take it? It will end up being pretty big and detailed.

pappyline
04-21-2007, 01:05 PM
Good pick. Although he's one of the worst HHOF inductees, he was a good strong powerfoward who took very few penalties and IMO from what I've learned, one of the top 3 fighters from the original six era (along with Bouchard and an undrafted player).
I really like Harry Watson as a pick. I thought i could pick him up in a late round for my 3rd round LW. I don't think he was a bad HOF selection. He didn't win any individual awards but had a long & productive career. Like many others he missed 2 prime years serving in WW II but still finished with 236 goals when 200 defined a great career.

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 01:06 PM
I am driving back to Alberta tomorrow morning, I will hopefully be able to get online once a day on my way back, but since I can't be sure I will need to send a list for the next 4 or 5 days or so, who would be prepared to take it? It will end up being pretty big and detailed.
No problem here with taking it. Just make sure all the details are perfectly clear.

MXD
04-21-2007, 01:22 PM
I have a list from #66. Les A's de Quebec are pleased to select RW Bobby Bauer, a Royal Canadian Air Force veteran and a member of Boston's dominant Kraut Line.

#66's description:
"Robert Theodore "Bobby" Bauer successfully fused skillful play and sportsmanship during his 10 years with the Boston Bruins, earning much acclaim as the right winger on the famed Kraut Line with Milt Schmidt and Woody Dumart. Bauer amassed 260 points in 328 regular season games in a career that was interrupted by his service with the Royal Canadian Air Force during World War II.

Toward the end of the 1941-42 season, Bauer--along with linemates Schmidt and Dumart--became the first big-league players to join the Royal Canadian Air Force. Initially they were based in Ottawa and continued to play hockey for the Ottawa Commandos who were affiliated with the Quebec Senior League. That spring, they led the club to the Allan Cup championship. The following year the Kraut Line was stationed in Halifax, where they helped that team capture the city championship. The next season this squad continued to function independently and play exhibition matches. Bauer and his linemates spent 1943-1945 engaged in combat on behalf of their country.

Bauer returned to Boston for two more seasons, from 1945 to 1947. In his first year back, his post-season play was particularly strong as he aided the Bruins' drive to the Stanley Cup final, where they came up short against the Montreal Canadiens. In 1946-47 he enjoyed a personal-best 30-goal season and won his third Lady Byng Trophy."

Thought of drafting him to play with Dumart and TO-BE-DRAFTED-LATER Doug Weight on my third line -- only his size scared me a little, and I had no clue how Bauer was good on the "defensive" side of the game. Which is somewhat the main knack about drafting "older" players : it's a bit tough to know exactly how to figure out their game-style -- however, Bauer played with a great 2-way forward (Dumart) and one of the best C's of all-time that was also good defensively... I concluded he was the weak link, defensively speaking, of this line. Though I might be wrong -- someone can enlighten me on this matter?

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 02:20 PM
My problem with Bauer is his playoff numbers. His playoff numbers are basically half his regular season numbers, dropping 0.4 ppg. His drop in performance is clearly worse than Dionne who gets torn into for his playoff play. Although, Dumart is even worse. Last draft I ripped into Schmidt for mediocre playoff play, when it's clear now, it was his linemates who couldn't pull their weight.

I'm trying very hard to build a clutch forward corps, so, there was simply no room at any pick for Bauer.

As for Rayner, didn't realize he had a strong year before that. I wouldn't hold the war against him, but, it looked to me like he wouldn't have been productive those years anyway. He clearly had a longer peak than I thought, but, injuries are a concern.

Great to see Griffis and Gerard picked. Both brilliant talents. Gerard is the last of the game breaking d-men. Was thinking, if Gerard is still available, I'd have to pick him, but, due to his size, I didn't really want to. (Suchy fills my small-d-man quota.) So, I'm glad to see he has a home.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 03:05 PM
Great to see Griffis and Gerard picked. Both brilliant talents. Gerard is the last of the game breaking d-men. Was thinking, if Gerard is still available, I'd have to pick him, but, due to his size, I didn't really want to. (Suchy fills my small-d-man quota.) So, I'm glad to see he has a home.

Pretty much the same way I was feeling about Gerard. Easily the best defenseman available, but his lack of size scared me away (especially with Mantha and Taylor already on my back end).

Wisent
04-21-2007, 03:19 PM
Hey, what happened to the live draft?
I still have 80 picks to go. ;)






Just a joke, don`t take it serious.

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 03:21 PM
Things will pick up once I pick more. 20 picks away from me having 3 of 7 picks.

Wisent
04-21-2007, 03:23 PM
Things will pick up once I pick more. 20 picks away from me having 3 of 7 picks.

Just don`t pick the guys I want. With you drafting, I have that feeling. ;)

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 03:23 PM
I thought we were going to keep the pace up and get to my next pick by tonight.

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 03:26 PM
Just don`t pick the guys I want. With you drafting, I have that feeling. ;)

Depends who you want. I have a specific player in mind to start my 4th line. Then, after that, all bets are off as I have a long list to piece together options from.

EagleBelfour
04-21-2007, 03:28 PM
I think this group of GM's deliberately tries to top themselves every chance they get.

With the 10th pick in the last 30 minutes, the Philadelphia Flyers are pleased to select a GBC sentimental favourite, the last captain of a Vancouver franchise to win the Stanley Cup (hopefully Markus Naslund chances that this year): D Si Griffths.


That is disgusting ... No I mean, REALLY disgusting. I thought for sure I could of picked him without any problems with my next pick. A better defenseman than a lot of defender taken ahead of him ... BTW, which side was he playing? I looked for that all around the internet and I just couldn't find it.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 03:45 PM
I'll be around during the afternoon and intermittently during the Canucks game if anyone needs someone to send picks to. I've already got raleh's and GBC's, so we may be able to get on a bit of a roll again this afternoon.

Wisent
04-21-2007, 04:01 PM
Depends who you want. I have a specific player in mind to start my 4th line. Then, after that, all bets are off as I have a long list to piece together options from.

Sounds fine. :)

John Flyers Fan
04-21-2007, 04:32 PM
Appreciate the comments on my picks .... by defense corps lacks size, but they all can move the puck .... combine that with Brodeur, and we've got a great transition game.

EagleBelfour
04-21-2007, 04:35 PM
Appreciate the comments on my picks .... by defense corps lacks size, but they all can move the puck .... combine that with Brodeur, and we've got a great transition game.

I'm disgusted just looking at your post ... That's how good your pick his.

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 04:41 PM
Appreciate the comments on my picks .... by defense corps lacks size, but they all can move the puck .... combine that with Brodeur, and we've got a great transition game.

Your team will be interesting to play against. Clarke may have to work the corners at both ends though. But the transition game should help as your forwards aren't the quickest.

EagleBelfour
04-21-2007, 04:54 PM
I will need someone to take my pick while I'm gone, from 5 o'clock to 8.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 04:58 PM
Send it my way EagleBelfour. I've got the picks of the two guys around you anyways.

EagleBelfour
04-21-2007, 05:02 PM
great, I'm giving you thati n 5 minutes :)

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 05:07 PM
Send it my way EagleBelfour. I've got the picks of the two guys around you anyways.
I'm actually back for another three hours, pit, so I should be able to take care of my pick and raleh's.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 05:08 PM
I'm actually back for another three hours, pit, so I should be able to take care of my pick and raleh's.

Sounds good. Hopefully these come up before the start of the Canucks game.

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 05:09 PM
Gorman is a damn good pick. Came across him while research coaches in the minor league draft last time, obviously couldn't take him, but was intrigued none the less. But, coaching synergy is a big deal for me, and he doesn't fit my team. I can assure you, the Eagles won't be trapping. Although my personal opinion is that...Content censored in the interest of draft secrecy.

I can now uncensor my comments.

I personally believe that Hap Day is the best defensive oriented coach outside the big guns. He's an undeniable winner with an unparrelleled grasp of defensive fundamentals. He might not be the system coach others are, but he gets through to players about defence.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 05:11 PM
I can now uncensor my comments.

I personally believe that Hap Day is the best defensive oriented coach outside the big guns. He's an undeniable winner with an unparrelleled grasp of defensive fundamentals. He might not be the system coach others are, but he gets through to players about defence.

That's pretty much how I felt about the guy. Personally, I have a big three of Arbour, Bowman and Blake, then a couple of guys on the next level with Day.

Plus I didn't want to risk there being a run on coaches and being left with slim pickings at my next choice.

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 05:19 PM
I can now uncensor my comments.

I personally believe that Hap Day is the best defensive oriented coach outside the big guns. He's an undeniable winner with an unparrelleled grasp of defensive fundamentals. He might not be the system coach others are, but he gets through to players about defence.
I really wanted Day, simply because he's our captain/No. 3 defenceman already. He's definitely one of the best coaches in the draft.

I think Dick Irvin is the better coach. I think one of the big differences between Montreal and Toronto in the late 40s/early 50s was goaltending. Durnan was better than Broda in the regular season, but the playoffs were a completely different story.

VanIslander
04-21-2007, 06:14 PM
A solid defensive forward, playoff scorer, and 2-time Stanley Cup winner (scoring 10+ goals both times)
RW Jamie Langenbrunner
Perhaps one of the very least talented players in the all-time draft but he makes a good all-time fourth line grinder turned clutch scorer come the playoffs. He may lack the puck handling, passing and shooting skills of hundreds of other players, but he seems to have the speed, hockey sense, determination and work ethic to help score when most needed. He had a career-high 7 GWGs this season and 39 in the regular season overall, 11 in the playoffs. Not bad. Too bad he doesn't also bring another dimension to his game, well, he does have clean, reliable checking even if not physical or hard hitting.

#66
04-21-2007, 07:17 PM
Yep. Ah, for the days when I scooped up Gerard midway through the minor league draft. Those days are over, though.

#66 just got the steal of the draft. Period. I was waiting to pull the trigger on selecting Bauer. Got scared away by his lack of size/physical play. But he was a marvellous player, better than probably half the guys selected ahead of him. I was finally going to pick him next round if he was available.

And Bauer was a war vet. You can't beat that. Unless we're talking about a war vet from Saskatchewan.Thanks for making that pick for me HO. While I was well aware of Bauer's playoff record and size, I just couldn't pass on him any longer. He still is a HHOFer and one of the better all time players. To me he sounds like a Mark Recchi type. A player that can buzz and find holes. Here's a little more about him:

Bobby Bauer

When Bauer died suddenly in 1964 at the age of 49, Schmidt remembered his friend
fondly, “Bobby was my right arm in hockey, the brains of the Kraut Line. Bobby was
more like one of my immediate family than anyone else”.

Later, when Bauer was posthumously inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1996,
Dumart said of his linemate:
“He had a knack of getting between the boards and the opposing winger and making a play. He had a good shot, was a good skater and stickhandler and had a way of finding holes. He and Milt would pass the puck back and forth. I got the garbage goals.”

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 07:52 PM
I really wanted Day, simply because he's our captain/No. 3 defenceman already. He's definitely one of the best coaches in the draft.

I think Dick Irvin is the better coach. I think one of the big differences between Montreal and Toronto in the late 40s/early 50s was goaltending. Durnan was better than Broda in the regular season, but the playoffs were a completely different story.

I think Irvin's 3-12 record in the finals is scary. No other coach lost more than 4 final appearances. He did alright with the Habs, 2-5 but in Toronto he was 1-7 in the finals.

arrbez
04-21-2007, 07:57 PM
Hey guys, sorry for holding this up. But when I left for work there were still 12 or so picks ahead of mine, and I didn't feel comfortable making a list that far ahead. I'll make my pick in the next 5 minutes.

John Flyers Fan
04-21-2007, 08:02 PM
Hey guys, sorry for holding this up. But when I left for work there were still 12 or so picks ahead of mine, and I didn't feel comfortable making a list that far ahead. I'll make my pick in the next 5 minutes.

Mike Palmateer ???

arrbez
04-21-2007, 08:06 PM
The Aurora Tigers select as their coach:

Tommy Ivan

He coached the great Red Wings teams of the 1950's to 6 straight league titles, and 3 Stanley Cups. Later in his career he rebuilt the Blackhawks franchise from the ground up and won the '61 championship as GM.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 08:12 PM
It looks as though GBC has gone to watch the game, so I have the next three picks:

On behalf of raleh, I'm proud to announce the selection of C Derek Sanderson. There goes my dream of an all Bruins fourth line.

On behalf of EagleBelfour:

It’s been a long time since I saw this podium. Ohh nostalgia ...... Either way, with my 13th selection in this draft, the Detroit Falcons are please to take, a complete defenseman who was known to be one, if not the best defenseman of his era.



He rose to prominence as one of the greatest defensemen to play the game in hockey's early day. He was as complete a player as there was back in the days of the "onside" game. He could skate, shoot, and make the big play from his point position. He was a clean player who played for keeps. His punishing checks and long reach frustrated his opponents as much as his offensive rushes dazzled the fans. He was with the Montreal Wanderers in March 1907 when they defeated the Kenora Thistles for the Stanley Cup, and was being called the greatest hockey player in the world.


D Hod Stuart

and on behalf of GBC, I'm proud to announce the selection of taskmaster coach, Punch Imlach.

I also have Murphy's pick, so I'll come back in check in during the intermission of the Canucks game.

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 08:36 PM
Thanks, pit. I was really hoping to land Ivan (as well as Day or Irvin) but I'm thrilled none-the-less to welcome a four-time Cup champion coach in Punch Imlach. He was the one coach left on the board who we really wanted, we think he's a top-10 all-time coach, and after him, we believed there was a drop-off among the coaches who fit the bill for our team.

While Punch is a very demanding coach, and not the most likeable guy out there, we're confident that he'll be fine for one year, thanks our team's character and their awareness that this team could do something special.

And to answer the new hot-button question in Trail: Red Kelly will remain at defence. Imlach's stroke of genius moved Kelly from defence to centre, but he also understands the need to have Red at defence. But Red has the green light to jump up into the rush and quarterback the offence from the point. Imlach's strong relationship with our franchise player is one of the big reasons why we felt he was Trail's perfect coach.

Career highlights to follow.

EagleBelfour
04-21-2007, 08:53 PM
Just found out an interresting article on Hod Stuart:

http://www.chidlovski.com/wwhhof/1950.htm

In the Canadian magazine MacLeans, a panel of hockey experts in 1925 concluded Stuart was on the all-time team at defense. Westerners and former players Lester Patrick (Victoria) and Harry Scott (Calgary) listed Stuart as the best defenseman of all-time.
Stuart played from 1895 through 1907 - 12 seasons," Pelletier said. Lets eliminate those early years where the statistics are all but missing and when he was still a teenager. We'll just look at when he joined the Ottawa Silver Seven in 1898, and he would have been 18 or 19 years old. Over the next NINE seasons he would go on a spectacular career that had earned him the reputation as the best defenseman or rover in all of hockey, and some even said the best hockey player in the world. Then he tragically died.

VanIslander
04-21-2007, 09:39 PM
Hod Stuart :clap:
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/members/splash/P194511S.jpg

was a forward (perhaps for just some time):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hod_Stuart

was a coverpoint (the most often reference):
http://www.historysociety.ca/bea.asp?subsection=fea

He was the equivalent of an offensive defenseman, back in the days when instead of defensemen there was the lacrosse-style "point" in front of the goalie and a "coverpoint" in front of the point. Hod was a coverpoint who had played as a forward for some time.

Pair him with a defensive defenseman (a "point") and it should work.

BM67
04-21-2007, 09:47 PM
The New Jersey Devils pleased to add a defenseman that was named a PCHA all-star 10 straight years

Ernie "Moose" Johnson (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p195204&type=Player&page=bio&list=ByName#photo)

Thomas "Moose" Johnson began his organized hockey career in the Montreal City League and at one time played with the junior team on a Friday night, the intermediate team the next afternoon, and the senior team on the Saturday night. After playing two seasons in the Canadian Amateur Hockey League he signed on with the Montreal Wanderers for the Eastern Canada Amateur Hockey Association's inaugural season of 1905-06 where he finished tenth in scoring with 12 goals in a ten-game schedule. In March 1906 the Wanderers ended the three-year reign of the legendary Silver Seven by defeating Ottawa in a two-game challenge for the Stanley Cup.

Johnson continued to impress during the regular season, increasing his goal production to 15 from the previous season and again finishing in the top ten of league scoring. The Wanderers traveled west to Winnipeg in late March 1907 to avenge their earlier loss to the Thistles and reclaimed the Cup in the two-game, total-goal series by a score of 12-8. After the final game a Kenora player cracked Johnson over the head with his stick and cut him for 13 stitches.

Johnson was named to the ECAHA Second All-Star Team in 1908 as he and his Wanderer teammates defended their Stanley Cup title again in January, March, and December of that year, before losing the ECHA title, and thus the Stanley Cup, to Ottawa in 1909. They were champions again in 1910 after winning the newly formed National Hockey Association title from the Ottawa Senators and defended the Cup against Berlin (now Kitchener) on March 12, 1910.

Moose Johnson played one more year for the Wanderers before moving west to play for the New Westminster Royals of the Pacific Coast Hockey Association. He was a perennial all-star in the western league, making the PCHA First All-Star Team in 1912, 1913, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1919, and 1921. It was while playing in Victoria as a member of the Cougars that he was first called Moose. "As far as I know," he recalled later, "I was the first 'Moose' in sports history. Now there are dozens." He was noted for using the longest stick in hockey and had a 99-inch reach. "The year I quit they buried my stick," said Johnson. "It was the longest stick ever used. In those days there was no size regulations and they couldn't take it from me because it was my livelihood." His final year in the PCHA was with Victoria in 1921-22. - HHoF Bio

It is generally supposed that Johnson was always a defence player. Actually he was the speedy left wing on a line with Pud Glass, centred by Ernie Russell that swept everything before them for three successive Cup wins. It was not until his seventh year in hockey that he became a regular defence man with Jack Marshall when the Wanderers again won the championship and Stanley Cup.

In his days with the Wanderers he was described as a six-footer with terrific speed, a shot like a bullet and indomitable courage.

He played eleven years in the P.C.H.A., three with New Westminster, four with Portland and four with Victoria. He was chosen all-star defence man for ten consecutive years. He was never sold or traded being too valuable an attraction. The New Westminster franchise was transferred to Portland and from Portland to Victoria. Johnson went along as the principal asset.

Near the close of the 1921 season a special Johnson night was held in Victoria. He was presented with a trophy from the P.C.H.A. inscribed 'To Moose Johnson as a token of appreciation of his brilliant career as the greatest defence player in the P.C.H.A. during the past ten years.'

Johnson used a very long stick that enabled him to develop an extraordinary skill at playing the puck rather than the man, although he was by no means backward with his bodychecking. He developed his poke check to such an art that in his last few years with Victoria, Lester Patrick used him frequently at rover to spearhead the defence. - The Trail of the Stanley Cup, Vol. 1

Johnson was a regular First-Team All-Star on PCHA referee Mike Ion's famous hand-picked squads and has been considered the finest all-around rearguard in hockey between 1900 and 1925. Regularly playing with broken jaws, fractured arms, even seperated shoulders, Johnson was a gamer in the truest sense. - Ultimate Hockey

"By the time a forward got around Johnson on defense, the rest was easy for me. They were usually somewhere over by the boards." - Jack Marshall, defense partner

Murphy
04-21-2007, 09:52 PM
The Edmonton Oilers select: Scott Mellanby

BM67
04-21-2007, 09:57 PM
From when I drafted Hod Stuart in the third draft.

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2800569&postcount=1068

John Flyers Fan
04-21-2007, 10:05 PM
Game 7 here we come ... brutal giveaway by Ohlund.

VanIslander
04-21-2007, 10:16 PM
Game 7 here we come ... brutal giveaway by Ohlund.
don't mention undrafted players please ;)

Leaf Lander
04-21-2007, 10:23 PM
Mike Palmateer ???


mike palmateer was afine goalie to philly ruined his knee:)

Leaf Lander
04-21-2007, 10:24 PM
I select Ohlund

John Flyers Fan
04-21-2007, 10:25 PM
mike palmateer was afine goalie to philly ruined his knee:)

Allen Bester ???

Leaf Lander
04-21-2007, 10:28 PM
Allen Bester ???

dont mention players not drafted yet:)

Pwnasaurus
04-21-2007, 10:31 PM
Peter Ing? The only goalie/verb in NHL history?

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 10:32 PM
I was hoping to draft a high end coach, but with this run on coaches, yeeeeeeeeouch!

Leaf Lander
04-21-2007, 10:33 PM
tony granato is availbe as a coach still

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 10:35 PM
tony granato is availbe as a coach still

I was leaning more towards Rick Lei.

VanIslander
04-21-2007, 10:37 PM
I select Ohlund
you think of all undrafted present-day NHL defensemen, he has had the best career and/or demonstrated the most skill?

i'm a big canucks fan, but man, i have to bite my lip to avoid mentioning undrafted guys

John Flyers Fan
04-21-2007, 10:37 PM
I was leaning more towards Rick Lei.

Rick Bowness

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 10:40 PM
Rick Bowness

I have no ill will towards him.

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 10:42 PM
I was hoping to draft a high end coach, but with this run on coaches, yeeeeeeeeouch!
If I didn't get Punch, I would have likely waited three or four rounds to pick a coach. There are still good coaches out there, but there Punch was one of the four (along with Irvin, Hap and Ivan) who really suited my team well who I thought I had a shot at. Bowman, Blake and Arbour would fit my team, too, but they weren't going to be available for when I was looking at a coach.

BTW, Dave Allison is still available, Nalyd.

arrbez
04-21-2007, 10:46 PM
I was really hoping Hap Day would drop to me, but with the run on high end coaches (as well as the number of teams in this draft who won't have one) I felt I defintely needed to grab either Ivan or Punch. And Punch scares me.

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 10:47 PM
If I didn't get Punch, I would have likely waited three or four rounds to pick a coach. There are still good coaches out there, but there Punch was one of the four (along with Irvin, Hap and Ivan) who really suited my team well who I thought I had a shot at. Bowman, Blake and Arbour would fit my team, too, but they weren't going to be available for when I was looking at a coach.

I know there are more, but, at this rate, there won't be when I pick. I was more than willing to take one of the big names, but, due to my trading frenzy, things never synched up.

pitseleh
04-21-2007, 10:49 PM
I was really hoping Hap Day would drop to me, but with the run on high end coaches (as well as the number of teams in this draft who won't have one) I felt I defintely needed to grab either Ivan or Punch. And Punch scares me.

Yeah, there's only so many great coaches. I would have preferred to pick a roster player, but with nearly 60 picks until my next one, I didn't want to risk being stuck with someone less than stellar.

Hockey Outsider
04-21-2007, 10:55 PM
I was really hoping Hap Day would drop to me, but with the run on high end coaches (as well as the number of teams in this draft who won't have one) I felt I defintely needed to grab either Ivan or Punch. And Punch scares me.

I had Ivan in the last draft. He has a stellar playoff track record and always had a great balance between offense and defense. Ivan is ideal for a team with balance throughout their roster (like your team). Also, Ivan was known for juggling lines often until he found a combination that maximized the values of all players on his roster. Great pick.

God Bless Canada
04-21-2007, 10:56 PM
I was really hoping Hap Day would drop to me, but with the run on high end coaches (as well as the number of teams in this draft who won't have one) I felt I defintely needed to grab either Ivan or Punch. And Punch scares me.
You need to have the right team to have Punch as your coach. And I think we have the right team. Look at all the guys who have been leaders, captains, with their respective organizations. I regard Dale Hunter as one of the top leaders of his generation. He isn't wearing a letter, because we have Red, Kelly and Henri as our alternates.

I actually had Punch as my coach in my first minor league draft. For whatever reason, GMs are a little wary of picking him.

Guys like Horton and Bower were huge backers of Imlach. Those are two guys with a lot of character. As mentioned before, Punch had a great rapport with Red. If you're a bit of a free spirit, or overly sensitive, or an underachiever, or a candidate for a nervous breakdown or two, then you're not going to enjoy Punch as your coach. If you're high in character, and you want to win, then you'll do fine with Punch.

BTW, I nearly accidentally typed in Punch McLean for my pick. For those not aware, Punch McLean is a BC Sports HOFer, the coach of the 1977 and 78 Memorial Cup Champion New Westminster Bruins, and an icon in this part of the world, due to his work with the Estevan Bruins, back when Estevan was still in the Dub. Still does some scouting for Estevan. I'll get Punch McLean in a minor league draft one of these days.

Leaf Lander
04-21-2007, 11:14 PM
you think of all undrafted present-day NHL defensemen, he has had the best career and/or demonstrated the most skill?

i'm a big canucks fan, but man, i have to bite my lip to avoid mentioning undrafted guys

has he won a cup or played for the leafs ever

and u think he is sucessful:)

VanIslander
04-21-2007, 11:21 PM
has he won a cup or played for the leafs ever
ah, your standards... ;)

actually Ohlund is the-Leaf-that-almost-was as the Canucks had to match Toronto's offer and they did but the decision was surrounded with a lot of controversy: Is the unproven Swede rookie gonna be worth a whole million dollars? (just before salary escalation made that kind of rookie salary standard - in fact the Ohlund signing was part of that wave)

Nalyd Psycho
04-21-2007, 11:34 PM
You need to have the right team to have Punch as your coach. And I think we have the right team. Look at all the guys who have been leaders, captains, with their respective organizations. I regard Dale Hunter as one of the top leaders of his generation. He isn't wearing a letter, because we have Red, Kelly and Henri as our alternates.

I actually had Punch as my coach in my first minor league draft. For whatever reason, GMs are a little wary of picking him.

Guys like Horton and Bower were huge backers of Imlach. Those are two guys with a lot of character. As mentioned before, Punch had a great rapport with Red. If you're a bit of a free spirit, or overly sensitive, or an underachiever, or a candidate for a nervous breakdown or two, then you're not going to enjoy Punch as your coach. If you're high in character, and you want to win, then you'll do fine with Punch.

BTW, I nearly accidentally typed in Punch McLean for my pick. For those not aware, Punch McLean is a BC Sports HOFer, the coach of the 1977 and 78 Memorial Cup Champion New Westminster Bruins, and an icon in this part of the world, due to his work with the Estevan Bruins, back when Estevan was still in the Dub. Still does some scouting for Estevan. I'll get Punch McLean in a minor league draft one of these days.

It isn't character guys that get along with Punch it's a certain type of player. Eddie Shore would probably work great, but he has no character. Where as many modern leaders would probably not enjoy him at all. Like Shero and Irvin, he's a great drill sargeant. If you want a bread and butter team that will rely on effort first and talent second, they're great. But if you've got a team where the fostering of creativity is essential to success, then, not so hot. Great pick for your team, woulda been a disaster waiting to happen on mine.

Murphy
04-21-2007, 11:49 PM
I think one of Imlach's greatest strengths was motivating his team and bringing them all together as one big collective ball of hate towards their coach.

I suppose the 60's version of Imlach was a good coach but the resurection of Imlach on the early 80's Leafs was a mitigated disaster. What worked in 1967 didn't work in 1980. I know Darryl Sittler will have a little extra motivation sticking it to Imlach when the Oil face off against Trail.

Zetterberg4Captain*
04-22-2007, 12:56 AM
Damnit, HFF must be off crying about the game today. ;) :D

EDIT: his last click came at 9:02, more then an hour after murphy's pick, did you PM HFF?

hockeyfan125
04-22-2007, 04:11 AM
Damnit, HFF must be off crying about the game today. ;) :D

EDIT: his last click came at 9:02, more then an hour after murphy's pick, did you PM HFF?

the first part is correct. I'll try and get a pick together tonight... but if I can't just skip me and I'll pick around 3 pm EST tomorrow.

hockeyfan125
04-22-2007, 04:18 AM
Portland is proud to select skilled blueliner:

Reijo Ruotsalainen

BM67
04-22-2007, 09:58 AM
My problem with Bauer is his playoff numbers. His playoff numbers are basically half his regular season numbers, dropping 0.4 ppg. His drop in performance is clearly worse than Dionne who gets torn into for his playoff play. Although, Dumart is even worse. Last draft I ripped into Schmidt for mediocre playoff play, when it's clear now, it was his linemates who couldn't pull their weight.

I'm trying very hard to build a clutch forward corps, so, there was simply no room at any pick for Bauer.

One thing in favor of Bauer, Dumart, Schmidt and other players of the era, is the difference between playoff and regular season scoring. During Schmidt's career the difference was a drop of about 20% during the playoffs. During Dionne's career the difference was only about 10%.

Nalyd Psycho
04-22-2007, 10:28 AM
One thing in favor of Bauer, Dumart, Schmidt and other players of the era, is the difference between playoff and regular season scoring. During Schmidt's career the difference was a drop of about 20% during the playoffs. During Dionne's career the difference was only about 10%.

While fair enough, Bauer drops approx 50% while Dionne drops approx 30%.

Leaf Lander
04-22-2007, 11:00 AM
I left a list with spitfire n bm67

pitseleh
04-22-2007, 01:13 PM
Ugggghhhh... Screwed big time this morning, never realized shooting hands for D-Mens were actually taken into account..

I wouldn't worry about it too much. While it's great to have a LHS-RHS pairing, I'm guessing that some players would adapt. It'd probably be better to have both, but it won't make or break your team.

Hockey Outsider
04-22-2007, 01:21 PM
Ugggghhhh... Screwed big time this morning, never realized shooting hands for D-Mens were actually taken into account..

It's one factor among many, and elite players should be able to adapt. For example, all of the Big Three in Montreal were lefties yet Robinson/Savard often played together during the late 70s, and Lapointe/Savard played together during the early and mid 70s, including at the Summit Series. Five of the Habs' top six defensemen were left-handed shots (and the 6th defender always got minimal ice time).

MXD
04-22-2007, 01:31 PM
It looks as though GBC has gone to watch the game, so I have the next three picks:

On behalf of raleh, I'm proud to announce the selection of C Derek Sanderson. There goes my dream of an all Bruins fourth line.



I highly considered drafting Sanderson for my 4th line spot. When I realized that my capitain would likely be Syl Apps, the man that never drank or smoke... Well, I figured Derek Sanderson, the man who would eat a steak and a blonde before a game, wouldn't fit so well on my squad...

pitseleh
04-22-2007, 01:33 PM
I highly considered drafting Sanderson for my 4th line spot. When I realized that my capitain would likely be Syl Apps, the man that never drank or smoke... Well, I figured Derek Sanderson, the man who would eat a steak and a blonde before a game, wouldn't fit so well on my squad...

Yeah, with Sanderson you have to take the good with the bad. In terms of ability, he's probably one of the best fourth line centers in the draft. But he has the baggage.

Evil Sather
04-22-2007, 01:34 PM
I highly considered drafting Sanderson for my 4th line spot. When I realized that my capitain would likely be Syl Apps, the man that never drank or smoke... Well, I figured Derek Sanderson, the man who would eat a steak and a blonde before a game, wouldn't fit so well on my squad...

Woulda been perfect for my squad.

MXD
04-22-2007, 01:36 PM
Yeah, with Sanderson you have to take the good with the bad. In terms of ability, he's probably one of the best fourth line centers in the draft. But he has the baggage.

... He's the best by a fair margin in my opinion...
But you had the short career, the baggage...
And the fact that my russian guys would look at this guy and wonder actually what THAT is.

Zetterberg4Captain*
04-22-2007, 01:51 PM
Isn't this the third or fourth time Vancityluongo has missed his pick? It kind of sucks having him slow down the draft by missing his clock all the time. :help:
The Saskatoon Blues are proud to select Barry Beck.

MXD
04-22-2007, 01:55 PM
Isn't this the third or fourth time Vancityluongo has missed his pick? It kind of sucks having him slow down the draft by missing his clock all the time. :help:
The Saskatoon Blues are proud to select Barry Beck.

Already picked, by Hockey Outsider (Montreal Canadiens), pick no. 284.

Spitfire11
04-22-2007, 02:01 PM
LL takes LW Ryan Smyth

MXD
04-22-2007, 02:03 PM
LL takes LW Ryan Smyth

What happens in the situation where a GM picks a drafted player, and the "following" GM drafts before he could switch his pick?

VanIslander
04-22-2007, 02:09 PM
when a team picks, their clock is over...

if they made a mistake they re-pick at their own convenience whenever

that is how other drafts work so no reason this to be any different

MXD
04-22-2007, 02:11 PM
when a team picks, their clock is over...

if they made a mistake they re-pick at their own convenience whenever

that is how other drafts work so no reason this to be any different

Thanks for explanations... I PM'ed Lebda so he could pick back again. I also guess VCL was skipped.

Spitfire11
04-22-2007, 02:13 PM
yep, that's how it works.

I waited to give him a chance to re-pick incase he got your message, but he went offline.

BM67
04-22-2007, 02:15 PM
You give the guy a chance to change his pick, but you don't hold up the draft. If he has just made his pick and is still around you give him a few minutes, but the next GM has every right to make his pick.

Zetterberg4Captain*
04-22-2007, 03:05 PM
The Saskatoon Blues select Bill Barilko

Transported Upstater
04-22-2007, 05:41 PM
I highly considered drafting Sanderson for my 4th line spot. When I realized that my capitain would likely be Syl Apps, the man that never drank or smoke... Well, I figured Derek Sanderson, the man who would eat a steak and a blonde before a game, wouldn't fit so well on my squad...

Wow, did I interpret THAT one wrongly! :biglaugh:

MXD
04-22-2007, 05:51 PM
Wow, did I interpret THAT one wrongly! :biglaugh:

...you obviously didn't interpret than one wrongly, unless you referred to Gauloises Blondes... Something you probably didn't... :)

vancityluongo
04-22-2007, 06:44 PM
Isn't this the third or fourth time Vancityluongo has missed his pick? It kind of sucks having him slow down the draft by missing his clock all the time. :help:
The Saskatoon Blues are proud to select Barry Beck.

Sorry. :(

I’ve been real busy lately. Winnipeg picks Vincent Lecavalier.

vancityluongo
04-22-2007, 07:01 PM
Just a quick question: I won’t be available until 3:00 PST tomorrow, so if I’m on the clock, at say 11:00am PST, then can I be skipped until then? It’s frustrating to hold up the draft, yet at the same time, I can’t do anything about it. This draft is fun, but I may have to let someone else take over if I can’t make my picks on time, because I don’t want to be a problem.

Thanks.

MXD
04-22-2007, 07:03 PM
Just a quick question: I won’t be available until 3:00 PST tomorrow, so if I’m on the clock, at say 11:00am PST, then can I be skipped until then? It’s frustrating to hold up the draft, yet at the same time, I can’t do anything about it. This draft is fun, but I may have to let someone else take over if I can’t make my picks on time, because I don’t want to be a problem.

Thanks.

Just send a shortlist to someone... And make sure that you fill up a few names on it. You're 2 picks ahead of me, and I plan on remaining here for a while tonight... and log on rather early tomorrow.

Don't worry, if I'm leaving, I'm sending this to anybody who's still there -- as I will have to send mines anyways.

John Flyers Fan
04-22-2007, 07:18 PM
Apologize for the delay if I caused any. I expected to be near a computer all day today.

To fill out our defense, we're looking for some size, but someone who can also move the puck. Another multiple Stanley Cup winner - Steve Smith











Any pucks behind the goal line late in a game 7, will be handled by Brodeur.:sarcasm:

MXD
04-22-2007, 07:21 PM
Apologize for the delay if I caused any. I expected to be near a computer all day today.

To fill out our defense, we're looking for some size, but someone who can also move the puck. Another multiple Stanley Cup winner - Steve Smith



Any pucks behind the goal line late in a game 7, will be handled by Brodeur.:sarcasm:

Good pick - one of the very few legit Top-4 D-Mens remaining, which is something of a problem for me who only has 2 D-Mens so far... :(

arrbez
04-22-2007, 07:31 PM
I'll make my pick in 5 mins

God Bless Canada
04-22-2007, 07:44 PM
Good pick - one of the very few legit Top-4 D-Mens remaining, which is something of a problem for me who only has 2 D-Mens so far... :(
I don't think he's a top four at all. I think he's a third pairing guy. I was hoping to land him as my No. 6, to play with Mortson on our physical shut-down pairing, but anything more than third pairing means a team will be in trouble.

MXD
04-22-2007, 07:54 PM
I don't think he's a top four at all. I think he's a third pairing guy. I was hoping to land him as my No. 6, to play with Mortson on our physical shut-down pairing, but anything more than third pairing means a team will be in trouble.

While I think he shouldn't be on a Top-4... He's a legit top-4 guy for a team with bottom-half defensive corps. (and went forward-goalie-coach heavy to start the draft)

This is about where I have some problems... When picking for 5-6th D-Men, do I go for...

1 : Excellent 3rd pairing guys
2 : Good 2nd pairing guys
3 : Average 1st pairing guys

I chose to wait a little for my D-Mens... I don't know if that was a good strategy -- I think I should have been a little more conservative -- and I thought the 5th-6th D-Mens-material pool was bigger than it actually is... Well, gotta see this when my team will be complete.