All-Time Draft #7, Part IV

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BM67
05-06-2007, 10:14 AM
Draft #7, Part I (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=359511)

Draft #7, Part II (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=364940)

Draft #7, Part III (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=371735)


The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 3 goalies, 7 defensemen, 13 forwards and a coach.

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed.

The time limit is 9 hours for your pick. Dropping by 1 hour for each skipped pick. If you miss 2 picks you become eligible for replacement.

GMs on a lower limit
vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - 8 hours
Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - 8 hours


You must PM the next GM after your selection.

Any player from any league or era are eligible, but their selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future.

The role of "The Lone Elvi" will now be played by "Frightened Inmate #2".

Draft Order

Round #1
1 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Bobby Orr
2 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Gretzky
3 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Gordie Howe
4 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Mario Lemieux
5 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Maurice Richard
6 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bobby Hull
7 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Patrick Roy
8 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Eddie Shore
9 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean Beliveau
10 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Harvey
11 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Guy Lafleur
12 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ray Bourque
13 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Mark Messier
14 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
15 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Denis Potvin
16 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Howie Morenz
17 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Phil Esposito
18 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Ted Lindsay
19 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Larry Robinson
20 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Red Kelly
21 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Plante
22 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Stan Mikita
23 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bryan Trottier
24 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dominik Hasek
25 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Bobby Clarke
26 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Terry Sawchuk
27 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Joe Sakic
28 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glenn Hall

Round #2
29 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Niklas Lidström
30 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Yzerman
31 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Chris Chelios
32 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Martin Brodeur
33 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Dryden
34 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Jaromir Jagr
35 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Brad Park
36 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Valery Kharlamov
37 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladislav Tretiak
38 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Viacheslav Fetisov
39 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Stevens
40 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Al MacInnis
41 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Billy Smith
42 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bernie Parent
43 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tim Horton
44 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pierre Pilote
45 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Bernie Geoffrion
46 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Paul Coffey
47 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Turk Broda
48 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jari Kurri
49 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Gilbert Perreault
50 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Frank Mahovlich
51 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bill Durnan
52 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Dit Clapper
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Earl Seibert
54 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Peter Forsberg
55 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Brett Hull
56 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Charlie Conacher

Round #3
57 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Milt Schmidt
58 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Chris Pronger
59 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Börje Salming
60 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Sergei Fedorov
61 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Max Bentley
62 pnep - Siberian Bears - King Clancy
63 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Syl Apps Sr.
64 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Johnny Bower
65 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Brian Leetch
66 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dickie Moore
67 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Marcel Dionne
68 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Henri Richard
69 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Andy Bathgate
70 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scott Niedermayer
71 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Peter Stastny
72 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Newsy Lalonde
73 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Ted Kennedy
74 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
75 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Cook
76 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Joe Malone
77 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Serge Savard
78 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Sprague Cleghorn
79 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bill Gadsby
80 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Guy Lapointe
81 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Brendan Shanahan
82 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jacques Laperriere
83 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Aurel Joliat
84 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cyclone Taylor

Round #4
85 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Ron Francis
86 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Sergei Makarov
87 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Cam Neely
88 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mark Howe
89 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Clint Benedict
90 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Rod Langway
91 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Elmer Lach
92 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Bentley
93 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Grant Fuhr
94 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Boucher
95 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Black Jack Stewart
96 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Johnny Bucyk
97 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bill Quackenbush
98 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dale Hawerchuk
99 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Guy Carbonneau
100 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Brimsek
101 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Eric Lindros
102 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Pavel Bure
103 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Tony Esposito
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Murphy
105 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Yvan Cournoyer
106 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Boris Mikhailov
107 pnep - Siberian Bears - Teemu Selanne
108 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Toe Blake
109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Sid Abel
110 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Butch Bouchard
111 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - George Hainsworth
112 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexei Kasatonov

Round #5
113 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Adam Foote
114 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Lionel Conacher
115 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Valeri Vasiliev
116 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Rob Blake
117 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Cy Denneny
118 pnep - Siberian Bears - George Boucher
119 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Tom Johnson
120 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Chuck Gardiner
121 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tiny Thompson
122 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Vladimir Konstantinov
123 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Ed Belfour
124 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ebbie Goodfellow
125 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Walter "Babe" Pratt
126 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Doug Gilmour
127 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Mike Gartner
128 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dave Keon
129 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Doug Wilson
130 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Nels Stewart
131 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Alexander Maltsev
132 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Jiri Holocek
133 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Marcel Pronovost
134 raleh - Montreal Maroons - J.C. Tremblay
135 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Clark Gillies
136 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Busher Jackson
137 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Art Ross
138 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Bill Cowley
139 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jarome Iginla
140 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Carl Brewer

Round #6
141 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Adam Oates
142 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Patrik Elias
143 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Phil Housley
144 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Luc Robitaille
145 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Gump Worsley
146 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Michel Goulet
147 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Igor Larionov
148 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Alex Delvecchio
149 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Lanny McDonald
150 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Barber
151 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Darryl Sittler
152 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Denis Savard
153 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Gerry Cheevers
154 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Jacques Lemaire
155 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Sundin
156 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Steve Shutt
157 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Pat Lafontaine
158 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Brian Propp
159 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dino Ciccarelli
160 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Mike Modano
161 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Sergei Zubov
162 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Vaclav Nedomansky
163 pnep - Siberian Bears - Norm Ullman
164 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Anders Hedberg
165 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - David "Sweeney" Schriner
166 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Ken Reardon
167 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Frank Nighbor
168 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Red Horner

Round #7
169 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexander Ragulin
170 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Harry Cameron
171 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Anatoli Firsov
172 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Craig Ramsay
173 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Cecil "Babe" Dye
174 pnep - Siberian Bears - Joe Nieuwendyk
175 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Harry Howell
176 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Jean Ratelle
177 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Allan Stanley
178 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Rod Brind'Amour
179 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Gary Suter
180 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vsevolod Bobrov
181 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Rod Gilbert
182 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Zdeno Chara
183 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Randy Carlyle
184 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Ace Bailey
185 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Rick Tocchet
186 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ching Johnson
187 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Vladimir Petrov
188 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Claude Provost
189 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Glenn Anderson
190 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Leo Boivin
191 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Bert Olmstead
192 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Fern Flaman
193 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Syd Howe
194 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Joe Primeau
195 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Joe Thornton
196 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Punch Broadbent

Round #8
197 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dick Duff
198 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Alexander Mogilny
199 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Bill White
200 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Scotty Bowman, coach
201 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pat Stapleton
202 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bernie Federko
203 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Paul Kariya
204 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Jimmy Thomson
205 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Don Luce
206 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - John Tonelli
207 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Rick Middleton
208 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Esa Tikkanen
209 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Roy Conacher
210 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Eric Desjardins
211 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Dave Andreychuk
212 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Rick Martin
213 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - John Leclair
214 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Jere Lehtinen
215 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Mohns
216 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Bryan Hextall Sr
217 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Claude Lemieux
218 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Alexander Yakushev
219 pnep - Siberian Bears - Jean Guy Talbot
220 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Danny Gare
221 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Clarence "Hap" Day
222 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Derian Hatcher
223 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wendel Clark
224 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Joe Hall

Round #9
225 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Markus Naslund
226 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Butch Goring
227 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Tim Kerr
228 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - George Armstrong
229 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Gary Roberts
230 pnep - Siberian Bears - Toe Blake, coach
231 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Woody Dumart
232 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Kevin Stevens
233 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Hooley Smith
234 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Jan Suchy
235 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Kevin Lowe
236 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Art Coulter
237 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bob Nystrom
238 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Vernon
239 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bill Mosienko
240 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Frank McGee
241 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Wayne Cashman
242 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Mike Peca
243 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Goldham
244 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Dale Hunter
245 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Doug Jarvis
246 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Kirk Muller
247 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Brad McCrimmon
248 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Ed Litzenberger
249 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Herb Gardiner
250 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Craig MacTavish
251 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bob Pulford
252 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Babe Siebert

Round #10
253 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Sylvio Mantha
254 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Rick MacLeish
255 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dave Taylor
256 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Steve Larmer
257 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Elmer "Moose" Vasko
258 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Brent Sutter
259 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Terry Harper
260 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Brian Sutter
261 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Joel Otto
262 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Trevor Linden
263 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Flash Hollett
264 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Ulf Samuelsson
265 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Theoren Fleury
266 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Terry O'Reilly
267 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bobby Baun
268 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ted Green
269 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Rob Ramage
270 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Vladimir Krutov
271 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Al Arbour, coach
272 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tom Barrasso
273 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Ken Morrow
274 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Bobby Smith
275 pnep - Siberian Bears - Joe Mullen
276 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gordie Drillon
277 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ken Linseman
278 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Mats Naslund
279 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Reg Noble
280 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Mike Richter

Round #11
281 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Jacques Lemaire, coach
282 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Billy Burch
283 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Frantisek Pospisil
284 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Barry Beck
285 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ed Westfall
286 pnep - Siberian Bears - Keith Tkachuk
287 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Mark Recchi
288 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Lionel Hitchman
289 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Paul Henderson
290 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bobby Holik
291 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Mike Ramsey
292 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Jeremy Roenick
293 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dean Prentice
294 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alex Connell
295 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Stan Smyl
296 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Vincent Damphousse
297 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Ken Hodge
298 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Rogie Vachon
299 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Jiri Holik
300 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Gus Mortson
301 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Pete Mahovlich
302 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Herbie Lewis
303 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bob Bourne
304 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Ulf Nilsson
305 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Kent Nilsson
306 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - John Ferguson
307 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - John Madden
308 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Thomas

Round #12
309 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Peter Bondra
310 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Yvon Lambert
311 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Barclay Plager
312 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Pat Verbeek
313 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Neil Colville
314 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Craig Ludwig
315 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Reggie Leach
316 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Marty Pavelich
317 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Stefan Persson
318 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bun Cook
319 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Eddie Giacomin
320 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Vladimir Lutchenko
321 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Don Marcotte
322 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Steve Duchesne
323 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Al Iafrate
324 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Petr Svoboda
325 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ralph Backstrom
326 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Sidney Crosby
327 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Nikolai Sologubov
328 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dirk Graham
329 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Walt Tkaczuk
330 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Lester Patrick, coach
331 pnep - Siberian Bears - Charlie Huddy
332 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Reed Larson
333 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Vitaly Davydov
334 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Phil Watson
335 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Didier Pitre
336 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Neal Broten

Round #13
337 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Bellows
338 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dave Poulin
339 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Martin St. Louis
340 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Mike Ricci
341 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Sid Smith
342 pnep - Siberian Bears - Don Marshall
343 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Doug Weight
344 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Rick Vaive
345 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Paul Thompson
346 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Valeri Kamensky
347 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Edgar Laprade
348 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ron Ellis
349 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Sergei Gonchar
350 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alexander Ovechkin
351 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Vic Hadfield
352 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Chris Drury
353 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Jim Schoenfeld
354 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Craig Hartsburg
355 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Chuck Rayner
356 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Tommy Gorman, coach
357 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dick Irvin, coach
358 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ed Van Impe
359 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Peter McNab
360 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Charlie Simmer
361 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Eddie Gerard
362 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Harry P. Watson
363 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bobby Bauer
364 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Rousseau

Round #14
365 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day, coach
366 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jamie Langenbrunner
367 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Fred Shero, coach
368 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Si Griffis
369 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Tod Sloan
370 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Tommy Ivan, coach
371 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Derek Sanderson
372 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Hod Stuart
373 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Punch Imlach, coach
374 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ernie "Moose" Johnson
375 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Mellanby
376 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Reijo Ruotsalainen
377 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Vincent Lecavalier
378 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bill Barilko
379 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ryan Smyth
380 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Steve Smith
381 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Teppo Numminen
382 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Glen Sather, coach
383 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Marty Barry
384 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Mattias Ohlund
385 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Buddy O'Connor
386 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Lennart Svedberg
387 pnep - Siberian Bears - Ken Daneyko
388 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jack Adams, coach
389 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mickey MacKay
390 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Ralph "Cooney" Weiland
391 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Jiri Bubla
392 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Tomas Sandstrom

Round #15
393 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Adam Graves
394 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Bill Guerin
395 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Cecil Hart, coach
396 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Mike Foligno
397 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Wharram
398 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bernie Nicholls
399 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Tommy "Cowboy" Anderson
400 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Calle Johansson
401 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Jason Arnott
402 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Leo Reise Jr
403 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Shayne Corson
404 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Bob Probert
405 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Cecil Dillon
406 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Daniel Alfredsson
407 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - John MacLean
408 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - J. P. Parise
409 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Mosdell
410 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Vladimir Martinec
411 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Walker
412 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Duke Keats
413 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Demers, coach
414 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Pierre Turgeon
415 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - James Patrick
416 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Lars-Erik Sjoberg
417 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Frank Foyston
418 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - John McKenzie
419 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Gaye Stewart
420 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dale Tallon

Round #16
421 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Ron Greschner
422 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Mark Tinordi
423 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Floyd Curry
424 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Kris Draper
425 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Jim Neilson
426 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Alf Smith
427 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Ott Heller
428 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Tommy Phillips
429 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Taffy Abel
430 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Nevin
431 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Duane Sutter
432 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Jack Crawford
433 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Ed Jovanovski
434 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Jean Pronovost
435 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Joe Klukay
436 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Cy Wentworth
437 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Owen Nolan
438 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Risebrough
439 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Mickey Redmond
440 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Mario Tremblay
441 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Nick Metz
442 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Pat Egan
443 pnep - Siberian Bears - Milan Hejduk
444 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Tony Leswick
445 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Vyacheslav Starshinov
446 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Jerry "King Kong" Korab
447 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dany Heatley
448 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Vladimir Dzurilla

Round #17
449 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Skrudland
450 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Kevin Hatcher
451 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Carol Vadnais
452 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Andy Moog
453 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Roger Crozier
454 pnep - Siberian Bears - Keith Primeau
455 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Behn Wilson
456 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Georges Vezina
457 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Wade Redden
458 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Craig Simpson
459 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Harry Lumley
460 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Troy Murray
461 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Hap Holmes
462 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Graham Drinkwater
463 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dave Semenko
464 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Roberto Luongo
465 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Aurie
466 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Dave Babych
467 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Lorne Chabot
468 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Al Rollins
469 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Edward Ivanov
470 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ted Nolan, coach
471 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Pete Green, coach
472 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Fleming Mackell
473 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mike Keenan, coach
474 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Jim Watson
475 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Dave Kerr
476 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Odie Cleghorn

Round #18
477 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bill Hajt
478 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Kenny Jonsson
479 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Mel Bridgman
480 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Roy Worters
481 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Bob Johnson, coach
482 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Barney Stanley
483 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pelle Lindbergh
484 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Dan Bain
485 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bob Dailey
486 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Pat Burns, coach
487 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Don Cherry, coach
488 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Don McKenney
489 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Don Maloney
490 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Ron Hextall
491 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Billy Gilmour
492 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Gerard Gallant
493 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ivan Hlinka
494 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Normie Smith
495 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Gilles Tremblay
496 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dennis Hull
497 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Andre Dupont
498 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Michal Handzus
499 pnep - Siberian Bears - Mike Liut
500 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Keith Magnuson
501 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Viktor Kuzkin
502 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Steve Kasper
503 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Miika Kiprussof
504 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Hakan Loob

Round #19
505 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Eric Staal
506 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Jack Laviolette
507 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Viktor Konovalenko
508 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Matthias Norström
509 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marty McSorley
510 pnep - Siberian Bears - Geoff Courtnall
511 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Mike Keane
512 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Lindy Ruff, coach
513 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Kirk McLean
514 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Baldy Northcott
515 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Steve Vickers
516 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Riley Hern
517 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Dave 'Tiger' Williams
518 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darren McCarty
519 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Glen Wesley
520 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Harry Sinden, coach
521 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Bruce MacGregor
522 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Darryl Sutter
523 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Red Dutton
524 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Wilf Paiement
525 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jack Darragh
526 raleh - Montreal Maroons -Jim Henry
527 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Curtis Joseph
528 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Mike Karakas
529 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Brad Richards
530 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Ross Lonsberry
531 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Dollard St. Laurent
532 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Ted Harris

Round #20
533 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Dallas Smith
534 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Harvey Pulford
535 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - "Bullet" Joe Simpson
536 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Willi Plett
537 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Eric Nesterenko
538 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Thomas Steen
539 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Eddie Shack
540 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - John Vanbiesbrouck
541 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Brian Engblom
542 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Lester Patrick
543 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Jason Smith
544 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Sean Burke
545 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dion Phaneuf
546 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - John Ogrodnick
547 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tomas Kaberle
548 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Murray Balfour
549 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Helmut Balderis
550 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Kevin Dineen
551 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Samuel Pahlsson
552 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Phil Goyette
553 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Anders Kallur
554 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Pete Peeters
555 pnep - Siberian Bears - Tony Amonte
556 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Glen Skov
557 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Cliff Koroll
558 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Al Secord
559 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Frank Frederickson
560 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Jamie Macoun

Round #21
561 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Peter Zezel
562 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Josef Malecek
563 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Hec Kilrea
564 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Arkady Chernyshev, coach
565 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Tomas Holmstrom
566 pnep - Siberian Bears - Dave Manson
567 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Vic Stasiuk
568 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Ryan Walter
569 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Gennady Tsygankov
570 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bill Ranford
571 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Mathieu Schneider
572 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Wally Stanowski
573 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Rick Meagher
574 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bill Hay
575 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Harold Snepsts
576 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Dave Burrows
577 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Martin Gelinas
578 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Ian Turnbull
579 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Johnny Gottselig
580 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Curt Fraser
581 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Marcel Bonin
582 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Blair Russel
583 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Orland Kurtenbach
584 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Johnny Wilson
585 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Slava Bykov
586 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Chris Osgood
587 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bill Ezinicki
588 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Dave Ellett

Round #22
589 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Marian Hossa
590 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Paul MacLean
591 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - George McNamara
592 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Andrey Khomutov
593 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Eddie Johnston
594 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Gary Dornhoefer
595 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Cliff Ronning
596 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - George ‘‘Goldie’’ Prodgers
597 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Gary Bergman
598 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ron Duguay
599 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Tom Lysiak
600 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Rick Kehoe
601 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Vladimir Vikulov
602 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Percy Lesueur
603 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Frank McCool
604 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Paul Reinhart
605 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Martin Lapointe
606 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Olaf Kolzig
607 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Robert Svehla
608 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tomas Jonsson
609 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Larry Hillman
610 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Jim Roberts
611 pnep - Siberian Bears - Todd Bertuzzi
612 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Barry Ashbee
613 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Uwe Krupp
614 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Hughie Lehman
615 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Mike Grant
616 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Kirk Maltby

Round #23
617 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Rolston
618 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Andre Lacroix
619 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Stephane Yelle
620 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Erich Kühnhackl
621 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jim Peplinski
622 pnep - Siberian Bears - Ken Randall
623 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jay Pandolfo
624 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Terry Crisp
625 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jerry Toppazzini
626 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Wayne Merrick
627 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Dick Redmond
628 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Sandis Ozolinsh
629 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Jan Erixon
630 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Paul Maurice, coach
631 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Gordon "Red" Berenson
632 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Ron Stewart
633 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Doug Lidster
634 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Phil Russell
635 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Glenn "Chico" Resch
636 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Garry Unger
637 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Lynn Patrick
638 raleh - Montreal Maroons - George Owen
639 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Jean-Sebastian Giguere
640 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Jack Evans
641 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Darryl Sydor
642 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Marty Turco
643 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Mike Ridley
644 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Milan Novy

Round #24
645 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Charlie Hodge
646 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Johnny Mowers
647 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dennis Maruk
648 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Ken Wregget
649 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Cal Gardner
650 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - craig conroy
651 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Brad Maxwell
652 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Paddy Moran
653 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - John Ross Roach
654 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Marshall
655 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Mike Palmateer
656 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Evgeni Nabokov
657 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Andrei Markov
658 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Art Ross, coach
659 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darcy Tucker
660 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Roger Neilson, coach
661 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Arturs Irbe
662 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Richard Brodeur
663 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Cam Ward
664 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Nikolai Khabibulin
665 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Don Edwards
666 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Jon Casey
667 pnep - Siberian Bears - Wilf Cude
668 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Rollie Melanson
669 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Karl Friesen
670 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Henrik Lundqvist
671 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Herb Brooks, coach
672 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Seth Martin

Trades:

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 5 & 108 to raleh - Montreal Maroons for picks 22 & 35

shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder trades picks 9 & 216 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 36 & 92

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 10 & 215 to pappyline - Barrie Flyers for picks 24 & 89

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 16, 41 & 97 to #66 - Les A's de Quebec for picks 27, 30 & 86

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 24 & 103 to HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos for picks 40 & 73

Wisent - Adler Mannheim trades Mario Lemieux, and picks 277 & 396 to Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles for picks 54, 59 & 222

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 29 & 196 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 53 & 109

God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters trades picks 37 & 76 to arrbez - Aurora Tigers for picks 45 & 68

pappyline - Barrie Flyers trades picks 33, 80 & 201 to Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens for picks 52, 61 & 164

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 66 & 159 to Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts for picks 82 & 87

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 72 & 184 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 109 & 140

EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons trades picks 77 & 301 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 104 & 160

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 85 & 533 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 92 & 272

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 89, 234 & 327 to Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles for picks 110, 166 & 339

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 86, 296 & 352 to John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers for picks 137, 193 & 200

HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos trades picks 103 & 208 to vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets for picks 109 & 140

HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos trades picks 109 & 409 to Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens for picks 117 & 276

Wisent - Adler Mannheim trades picks 116, 165 & 221 to God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters for picks 132, 149 & 205

reckoning - Buffalo Sabres trades picks 120 & 232 to kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans for picks 135 & 191

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 122, 166, 271 & 383 to #66 - Les A's de Quebec for picks 139, 142, 254 & 366

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 128 & 265 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 156 & 181

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 153 & 489 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 177 & 345

raleh - Montreal Maroons trades picks 147 & 483 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 153 & 440

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 171 & 283 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 196 & 222

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 177 & 209 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 184 & 197

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 200, 208, 576, 601 & 632 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 289, 384, 401, 457 & 513

Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers trades picks 186, 207 & 263 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 189, 204 & 260

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 196 & 558 to Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers for picks 204 & 410

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 220 & 332 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 228 & 284

LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers trades picks 226, 335, & 618 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 233, 328, & 483

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 227 & 446 to kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans for picks 232 & 370

Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues trades picks 266 & 631 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 301 & 496

shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder trades picks 266, 335 & 552 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 272, 309 & 644

arrbez - Aurora Tigers trades Joe Malone, and picks 572 & 605 to Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles for picks 277, 327 & 370

HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos trades picks 276 & 465 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 316 & 357

MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles trades picks 287 & 623 to shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder for picks 309 & 489

John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers trades picks 296 & 529 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 324 & 380

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trades picks 299 & 579 to Wisent - Adler Mannheim for picks 332 & 389

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 308 & 420 to vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets for picks 321 & 345

Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings trades picks 346, 439 & 495 to God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters for picks 356, 429 & 485

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 396 & 619 to HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos for picks 432 & 521

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 421 & 588 to Evil Sather - New York Rangers for picks 438 & 494

Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles trades Jack Crawford and picks 502 & 572 to
MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles for picks 442, 489 & 498

kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans trades picks 446, 527, 583 & 639 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 461, 517, 573 & 629

shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder trades pick 618 to reckoning - Buffalo Sabres for pick 624

raleh - Montreal Maroons trades Ott Heller to Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles for Hughie Lehman

Evil Sather - New York Rangers trades picks 627 & 662 to kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans for picks 629 & 650

vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets trades Steve Shutt & Wade Redden to The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks for Red Horner & Tomas Sandstrom

Leaf Lander
05-06-2007, 11:29 AM
if everyone could agree to be online 10 pm est

we could prob get 1 rnd done a night in a 2 hr period.

Just an idea

also add each other to msn:

its a good way to find out if the person is online.

leafsdomain@hotmail.com is my msn

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109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Sid Abel
429 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Taffy Abel
388 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jack Adams, coach
406 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Daniel Alfredsson
555 pnep - Siberian Bears - Tony Amonte
189 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Glenn Anderson
399 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Tommy "Cowboy" Anderson
211 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Dave Andreychuk
63 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Syl Apps Sr.
401 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Jason Arnott
271 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Al Arbour, coach
228 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - George Armstrong
612 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Barry Ashbee
465 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Aurie



466 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Dave Babych
325 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ralph Backstrom
184 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Ace Bailey
549 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Helmut Balderis
548 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Murray Balfour
484 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Dan Bain
150 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Barber
378 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bill Barilko
272 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tom Barrasso
383 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Marty Barry
69 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Andy Bathgate
363 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bobby Bauer
267 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bobby Baun
284 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Barry Beck
123 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Ed Belfour
9 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean Beliveau
337 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Bellows
89 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Clint Benedict
631 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Gordon "Red" Berenson
92 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Bentley
61 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Max Bentley
597 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Gary Bergman
611 pnep - Siberian Bears - Todd Bertuzzi
116 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Rob Blake
108 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Toe Blake
230 pnep - Siberian Bears - Toe Blake, coach
180 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vsevolod Bobrov
190 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Leo Boivin
309 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Peter Bondra
581 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Marcel Bonin
14 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
110 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Butch Bouchard
94 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Boucher
118 pnep - Siberian Bears - George Boucher
303 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bob Bourne
12 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ray Bourque
64 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Johnny Bower
200 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Scotty Bowman, coach
140 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Carl Brewer
479 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Mel Bridgman
100 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Brimsek
178 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Rod Brind'Amour
196 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Punch Broadbent
47 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Turk Broda
32 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Martin Brodeur
662 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Richard Brodeur
671 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Herb Brooks, coach
336 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Neal Broten
391 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Jiri Bubla
96 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Johnny Bucyk
282 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Billy Burch
102 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Pavel Bure
544 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Sean Burke
486 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Pat Burns, coach
576 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Dave Burrows
585 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Slava Bykov

170 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Harry Cameron
99 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Guy Carbonneau
183 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Randy Carlyle
666 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Jon Casey
241 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Wayne Cashman
467 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Lorne Chabot
182 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Zdeno Chara
153 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Gerry Cheevers
31 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Chris Chelios
564 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Arkady Chernyshev, coach
487 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Don Cherry, coach
159 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dino Ciccarelli
62 pnep - Siberian Bears - King Clancy
52 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Dit Clapper
223 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wendel Clark
25 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Bobby Clarke
476 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Odie Cleghorn
78 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Sprague Cleghorn
46 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Paul Coffey
313 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Neil Colville
56 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Charlie Conacher
114 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Lionel Conacher
209 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Roy Conacher
294 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alex Connell
650 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - craig conroy
75 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bill Cook
318 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bun Cook
236 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Art Coulter
105 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Yvan Cournoyer
510 pnep - Siberian Bears - Geoff Courtnall
403 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Shayne Corson
138 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Bill Cowley
432 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Jack Crawford
624 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Terry Crisp
326 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Sidney Crosby
453 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Roger Crozier
667 pnep - Siberian Bears - Wilf Cude
423 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Floyd Curry


525 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jack Darragh
296 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Vincent Damphousse
387 pnep - Siberian Bears - Ken Daneyko
485 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bob Dailey
333 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Vitaly Davydov
221 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Clarence "Hap" Day
365 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day, coach
148 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Alex Delvecchio
413 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Demers, coach
117 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Cy Denneny
210 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Eric Desjardins
405 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Cecil Dillon
550 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Kevin Dineen
67 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Marcel Dionne
594 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Gary Dornhoefer
424 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Kris Draper
276 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gordie Drillon
462 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Graham Drinkwater
352 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Chris Drury
33 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Dryden
322 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Steve Duchesne
197 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dick Duff
598 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ron Duguay
231 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Woody Dumart
497 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Andre Dupont
51 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bill Durnan
523 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Red Dutton
173 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Cecil "Babe" Dye
448 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Vladimir Dzurilla

665 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Don Edwards
442 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Pat Egan
142 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Patrik Elias
588 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Dave Ellett
348 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ron Ellis
541 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Brian Engblom
629 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Jan Erixon
17 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Phil Esposito
103 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Tony Esposito
640 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Jack Evans
587 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bill Ezinicki

192 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Fern Flaman
306 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - John Ferguson
171 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Anatoli Firsov
202 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bernie Federko
60 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Sergei Fedorov
38 BM67 - New Jersey D evils - Viacheslav Fetisov
396 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Mike Foligno
113 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Adam Foote
54 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Peter Forsberg
417 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Frank Foyston
85 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Ron Francis
580 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Curt Fraser
559 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Frank Frederickson
669 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Karl Friesen
93 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Grant Fuhr

79 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bill Gadsby
74 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
649 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Cal Gardner
120 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Chuck Gardiner
492 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Gerard Gallant
249 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Herb Gardiner
220 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Danny Gare
127 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Mike Gartner
577 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Martin Gelinas
45 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Bernie Geoffrion
361 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Eddie Gerard
319 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Eddie Giacomin
639 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Jean-Sebastian Giguere
181 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Rod Gilbert
135 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Clark Gillies
491 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Billy Gilmour
126 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Doug Gilmour
243 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Goldham
349 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Sergei Gonchar
124 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ebbie Goodfellow
226 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Butch Goring
356 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Tommy Gorman, coach
579 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Johnny Gottselig
146 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Michel Goulet
552 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Phil Goyette
328 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dirk Graham
615 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Mike Grant
393 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Adam Graves
471 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Pete Green, coach
268 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ted Green
421 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Ron Greschner
2 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Gretzky
368 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Si Griffis
394 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Bill Guerin


351 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Vic Hadfield
477 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bill Hajt
111 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - George Hainsworth
28 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glenn Hall
224 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Joe Hall
498 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Michal Handzus
532 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Ted Harris
354 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Craig Hartsburg
259 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Terry Harper
395 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Cecil Hart, coach
450 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Kevin Hatcher
10 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Harvey
24 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dominik Hasek
222 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Derian Hatcher
98 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dale Hawerchuk
574 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bill Hay
447 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dany Heatley
164 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Anders Hedberg
443 pnep - Siberian Bears - Milan Hejduk
427 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ott Heller
289 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Paul Henderson
526 raleh - Montreal Maroons -Jim Henry
516 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Riley Hern
216 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Bryan Hextall Sr
490 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Ron Hextall
609 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Larry Hillman
288 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Lionel Hitchman
493 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ivan Hlinka
645 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Charlie Hodge
297 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Ken Hodge
290 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bobby Holik
299 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Jiri Holik
263 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Flash Hollett
461 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Hap Holmes
565 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Tomas Holmstrom
132 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Jiri Holocek
168 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Red Horner
43 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tim Horton
589 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Marian Hossa
143 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Phil Housley
3 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Gordie Howe
88 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mark Howe
193 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Syd Howe
175 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Harry Howell
331 pnep - Siberian Bears - Charlie Huddy
6 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bobby Hull
55 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Brett Hull
496 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dennis Hull
244 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Dale Hunter

323 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Al Iafrate
139 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jarome Iginla
373 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Punch Imlach, coach
357 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Dick Irvin, coach
370 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Tommy Ivan, coach
469 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Edward Ivanov
661 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Arturs Irbe

136 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Busher Jackson
34 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Jaromir Jagr
245 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Doug Jarvis
400 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Calle Johansson
593 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Eddie Johnston
186 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ching Johnson
374 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ernie "Moose" Johnson
119 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Tom Johnson
83 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Aurel Joliat
608 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tomas Jonsson
527 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Curtis Joseph
481 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Bob Johnson, coach
478 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Kenny Jonsson
433 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Ed Jovanovski

547 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tomas Kaberle
553 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Anders Kallur
346 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Valeri Kamensky
528 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Mike Karakas
203 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Paul Kariya
112 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexei Kasatonov
502 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Steve Kasper
511 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Mike Keane
412 God Bless Caada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Duke Keats
473 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Mike Keenan, coach
600 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Rick Kehoe
20 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Red Kelly
73 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Ted Kennedy
128 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dave Keon
475 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Dave Kerr
227 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Tim Kerr
664 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Nikolai Khabibulin
36 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Valery Kharlamov
592 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Andrey Khomutov
563 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Hec Kilrea
503 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Miika Kiprussof
435 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Joe Klukay
606 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Olaf Kolzig
122 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Vladimir Konstantinov
446 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Jerry "King Kong" Korab
557 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Cliff Koroll
507 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Viktor Konovalenko
613 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Uwe Krupp
270 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Vladimir Krutov
620 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Erich Kühnhackl
48 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jari Kurri
583 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Orland Kurtenbach
501 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Viktor Kuzkin

91 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Elmer Lach
618 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Andre Lacroix
157 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Pat Lafontaine
72 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Newsy Lalonde
11 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Guy Lafleur
310 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Yvon Lambert
366 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jamie Langenbrunner
90 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Rod Langway
82 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Jacques Laperriere
80 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Guy Lapointe
605 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Martin Lapointe
347 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Edgar Laprade
147 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Igor Larionov
256 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Steve Larmer
332 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Reed Larson
506 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Jack Laviolette
315 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Reggie Leach
377 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Vincent Lecavalier
213 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - John Leclair
65 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Brian Leetch
614 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Hughie Lehman
214 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Jere Lehtinen
154 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Jacques Lemaire
281 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Jacques Lemaire, coach
217 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Claude Lemieux
4 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Mario Lemieux
602 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Percy Lesueur
444 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Tony Leswick
302 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Herbie Lewis
633 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Doug Lidster
483 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pelle Lindbergh
29 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Niklas Lidström
262 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Trevor Linden
101 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Eric Lindros
18 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Ted Lindsay
277 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ken Linseman
248 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Ed Litzenberger
499 pnep - Siberian Bears - Mike Liut
530 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Ross Lonsberry
504 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Hakan Loob
235 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Kevin Lowe
205 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Don Luce
314 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Craig Ludwig
320 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Vladimir Lutchenko
464 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Roberto Luongo
459 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Harry Lumley
670 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Henrik Lundqvist
599 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Tom Lysiak

40 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Al MacInnis
472 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Fleming Mackell
521 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Bruce MacGregor
389 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mickey MacKay
407 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - John MacLean
590 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Paul MacLean
254 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Rick MacLeish
560 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Jamie Macoun
250 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Craig MacTavish
307 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - John Madden
500 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Keith Magnuson
50 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Frank Mahovlich
301 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Pete Mahovlich
86 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Sergei Makarov
76 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Joe Malone
562 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Josef Malecek
489 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Don Maloney
131 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Alexander Malstev
616 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Kirk Maltby
566 pnep - Siberian Bears - Dave Manson
253 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Sylvio Mantha
321 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Don Marcotte
657 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Andrei Markov
342 pnep - Siberian Bears - Don Marshall
654 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Marshall
212 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Rick Martin
672 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Seth Martin
410 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Vladimir Martinec
647 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dennis Maruk
630 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Paul Maurice, coach
651 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Brad Maxwell
518 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darren McCarty
603 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Frank McCool
513 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Kirk McLean
488 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Don McKenney
418 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - John McKenzie
359 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Peter McNab
247 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Brad McCrimmon
149 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Lanny McDonald
240 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Frank McGee
591 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - George McNamara
509 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marty McSorley
573 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Rick Meagher
668 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Rollie Melanson
375 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Mellanby
626 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Wayne Merrick
13 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Mark Messier
441 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Nick Metz
207 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Rick Middleton
106 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Boris Mikhailov
22 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Stan Mikita
160 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Mike Modano
198 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Alexander Mogilny
215 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Doug Mohns
452 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Andy Moog
66 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dickie Moore
652 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Paddy Moran
16 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Howie Morenz
273 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Ken Morrow
300 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Gus Mortson
409 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Mosdell
239 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bill Mosienko
646 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Johnny Mowers
275 pnep - Siberian Bears - Joe Mullen
246 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Kirk Muller
460 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Troy Murray
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Murphy



656 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Evgeni Nabokov
225 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Markus Naslund
278 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Mats Naslund
162 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Vaclav Nedomansky
87 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Cam Neely
425 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Jim Neilson
660 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Roger Neilson, coach
537 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Eric Nesterenko
430 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Nevin
398 pnep - Siberian Bears - Bernie Nicholls
70 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scott Niedermayer
174 pnep - Siberian Bears - Joe Nieuwendyk
167 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Frank Nighbor
304 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Ulf Nilsson
305 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Kent Nilsson
279 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Reg Noble
508 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Matthias Norström
514 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Baldy Northcott
437 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Owen Nolan
470 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ted Nolan, coach
644 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Milan Novy
381 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Teppo Numminen
237 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bob Nystrom

385 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Buddy O'Connor
141 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Adam Oates
546 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - John Ogrodnick
384 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Mattias Ohlund
191 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Bert Olmstead
261 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Joel Otto
1 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Bobby Orr
586 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Chris Osgood
638 raleh - Montreal Maroons - George Owen
628 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Sandis Ozolinsh
350 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alexander Ovechkin

551 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Samuel Pahlsson
524 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Wilf Paiement
655 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Mike Palmateer
623 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jay Pandolfo
42 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Bernie Parent
408 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - J. P. Parise
35 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Brad Park
415 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - James Patrick
330 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Lester Patrick, coach
542 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Lester Patrick
637 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Lynn Patrick
316 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Marty Pavelich
242 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Mike Peca
554 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Pete Peeters
621 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jim Peplinski
49 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Gilbert Perreault
317 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Stefan Persson
187 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Vladimir Petrov
545 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dion Phaneuf
428 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Tommy Phillips
44 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pierre Pilote
335 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Didier Pitre
311 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Barclay Plager
21 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Plante
536 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Willi Plett
283 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Frantisek Pospisil
15 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Denis Potvin
338 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dave Poulin
125 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Walter "Babe" Pratt
293 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dean Prentice
194 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Joe Primeau
454 pnep - Siberian Bears - Keith Primeau
404 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Bob Probert
596 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - George ‘‘Goldie’’ Prodgers
58 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Chris Pronger
434 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Jean Pronovost
133 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Marcel Pronovost
158 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Brian Propp
188 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Claude Provost
251 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bob Pulford
534 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Harvey Pulford

97 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Bill Quackenbush

169 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Alexander Ragulin
269 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Rob Ramage
172 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Craig Ramsay
291 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Mike Ramsey
622 pnep - Siberian Bears - Ken Randall
570 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Bill Ranford
176 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Jean Ratelle
355 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Chuck Rayner
166 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Ken Reardon
287 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Mark Recchi
457 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Wade Redden
627 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Dick Redmond
439 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Mickey Redmond
604 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Paul Reinhart
402 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Leo Reise Jr
635 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Glenn "Chico" Resch
340 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Mike Ricci
68 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Henri Richard
5 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Maurice Richard
529 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Brad Richards
280 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Mike Richter
643 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Mike Ridley
438 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Doug Risebrough
653 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - John Ross Roach
229 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Gary Roberts
610 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Jim Roberts
19 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Larry Robinson
144 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Luc Robitaille
292 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Jeremy Roenick
468 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Al Rollins
617 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Rolston
595 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Cliff Ronning
658 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Art Ross, coach
137 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Art Ross
364 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Rousseau
7 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Patrick Roy
376 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Reijo Ruotsalainen
512 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Lindy Ruff, coach
634 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Phil Russell
582 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Blair Russel

27 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Joe Sakic
59 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Börje Salming
264 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Ulf Samuelsson
371 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Derek Sanderson
392 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Tomas Sandstrom
382 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Glen Sather, coach
152 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Denis Savard
77 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Serge Savard
26 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Terry Sawchuk
571 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Mathieu Schneider
57 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Milt Schmidt
353 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Jim Schoenfeld
165 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - David "Sweeney" Schriner
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Earl Seibert
558 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Al Secord
107 pnep - Siberian Bears - Teemu Selanne
463 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Dave Semenko
539 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Eddie Shack
81 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Brendan Shanahan
367 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Fred Shero, coach
8 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Eddie Shore
156 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Shutt
252 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Babe Siebert
360 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Charlie Simmer
458 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Craig Simpson
535 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - "Bullet" Joe Simpson
520 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Harry Sinden, coach
151 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Darryl Sittler
416 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Lars-Erik Sjoberg
556 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Glen Skov
449 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Brian Skrudland
369 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Tod Sloan
426 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Alf Smith
41 #66 -Les A's de Quebec - Billy Smith
274 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Bobby Smith
533 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Dallas Smith
233 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Hooley Smith
543 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Jason Smith
494 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Normie Smith
341 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Sid Smith
380 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Steve Smith
295 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Stan Smyl
379 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ryan Smyth
575 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Harold Snepsts
327 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Nikolai Sologubov
339 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Martin St. Louis
531 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Dollard St. Laurent
505 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Eric Staal
177 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Allan Stanley
482 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Barney Stanley
572 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Wally Stanowski
201 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pat Stapleton
445 Wisent - Adler Mannheim - Vyacheslav Starshinov
567 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Vic Stasiuk
71 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Peter Stastny
538 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Thomas Steen
232 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Kevin Stevens
39 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Scott Stevens
95 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Black Jack Stewart
419 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Gaye Stewart
130 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Nels Stewart
632 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Ron Stewart
372 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Hod Stuart
234 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Jan Suchy
155 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Sundin
179 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Gary Suter
258 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Brent Sutter
260 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Brian Sutter
431 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Duane Sutter
522 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Darryl Sutter
386 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Lennart Svedberg
607 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Robert Svehla
324 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Petr Svoboda
641 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Darryl Sydor


219 pnep - Siberian Bears - Jean Guy Talbot
420 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Dale Tallon
84 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cyclone Taylor
255 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Dave Taylor
308 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Thomas
345 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Paul Thompson
121 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Tiny Thompson
204 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Jimmy Thomson
195 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Joe Thornton
208 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Esa Tikkanen
422 #66 - Les A's de Quebec - Mark Tinordi
286 pnep - Siberian Bears - Keith Tkachuk
329 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Walt Tkaczuk
185 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Rick Tocchet
206 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - John Tonelli
625 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Jerry Toppazzini
495 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Gilles Tremblay
134 raleh - Montreal Maroons - J.C. Tremblay
440 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Mario Tremblay
37 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladislav Tretiak
23 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Bryan Trottier
569 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Gennady Tsygankov
659 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darcy Tucker
642 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Marty Turco
414 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Pierre Turgeon
578 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Ian Turnbull

163 pnep - Siberian Bears - Norm Ullman
636 God Bless Canada - Trail Smoke Eaters - Garry Unger

298 Murphy2 - Edmonton Oilers - Rogie Vachon
451 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Carol Vadnais
344 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Rick Vaive
358 raleh - Montreal Maroons - Ed Van Impe
540 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - John Vanbiesbrouck
257 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Elmer "Moose" Vasko
115 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Valeri Vasiliev
312 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Pat Verbeek
238 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Vernon
456 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Georges Vezina
515 Evil Sather - New York Rangers - Steve Vickers
601 shawnmullin - Las Vegas Thunder - Vladimir Vikulov

411 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Walker
568 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Ryan Walter
663 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Cam Ward
362 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Harry P. Watson
474 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Jim Watson
334 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Phil Watson
343 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Doug Weight
390 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles - Ralph "Cooney" Weiland
436 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Cy Wentworth
519 Brett_Lebda - Saskatoon Blues - Glen Wesley
285 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ed Westfall
397 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Ken Wharram
199 Pwnasaurus - Kansas City Scouts - Bill White
517 kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans - Dave 'Tiger' Williams
455 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Behn Wilson
584 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Johnny Wilson
129 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Doug Wilson
145 pappyline - Barrie Flyers - Gump Worsley
648 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Ken Wregget
480 John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers - Roy Worters

218 MXD - Miami Screaming Eagles - Alexander Yakushev
619 HankyFourFingers - Portland Buckaroos - Stephane Yelle
30 vancityluongo - Winnipeg Jets - Steve Yzerman

561 The Lone Elvi - Vancouver Canucks - Peter Zezel
161 reckoning - Buffalo Sabres - Sergei Zubov


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If your going offline for 8 to 10 hrs and your pick is coming up pm somone you know and trust your pick. So you dont hold the draft up.
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Hockey Outsider
05-06-2007, 12:34 PM
While I think Holmstrom sucks at a lot of things, he does have skill in front of the net, and as a part-time fourth liner or strategic substitute (offensive face-offs, powerplays) on a scoring line he'd be valuable. Don't have him as a third line regular, IMO, as he can't handle the defensive responsibilities and shouldn't be getting 15 min. per game unless it's on an offensive line, for offensive face-offs and powerplays, again IMO. Holmstrom never ever played the penalty kill and for good reason.

I plan on using Holmstrom as my 13th forward (though he might recieve regular playing time, depending on who I face in the playoffs). Holmstrom would be ideal against a team with a strong penalty killing or a team with goalies that are known to take stupid penalties when frustrated that somebody's in their crease (Smith, Belfour, Hextall, etc.).

For the games where I use Holmstrom as a regular, I'd probably play Gary Roberts on the 3rd line and Holmstrom on the 2nd. Though he's not a Selke-calibre player, Roberts is capable of handling tough defensive minutes and Holmstrom would be very productive playing with Abel and Dye.

Then again, I could double-shift Abel as my 3rd line left-winger; Abel was excellent defensively. Abel and Holmstrom could split the 3rd line minutes (reducing my exposure to Holmstrom's relatively weak defense) and I'd use Holmstrom extensively on the powerplay.

Anyway, I have a few options. Which one I chose will depend on the matchup.

MXD
05-06-2007, 12:51 PM
The Miami Screaming Eagles selects a guy who was well-known for his humorous nature, as well as being a funny guy who liked to do figure skating : D Wally "The Whirling Dervish" Stanowski

I don't know where I'll be using him yet, but if he winds up a backup, I won't have an (insert common word for ANUS) screwing my team spirit.

Hockey Outsider
05-06-2007, 01:16 PM
Stanowski is a great pick. I had him in the last minor-league draft and he always seems underrated around here. He recieved top minutes on four Cup-winning teams, could start rushes and make great passes, and was solid defensively. I've heard lots of good things about his personality, leadership and skill as a practical joker.

MXD
05-06-2007, 02:13 PM
Stanowski is a great pick. I had him in the last minor-league draft and he always seems underrated around here. He recieved top minutes on four Cup-winning teams, could start rushes and make great passes, and was solid defensively. I've heard lots of good things about his personality, leadership and skill as a practical joker.

My guess is he wasn't a physical stud, neither a top-flight offensive D-Men -- the dilemna of a two-way player that isn't good enough defensively to warrant a roster spot on that sole basis and who did not post the offensive numbers to use him for this end. Kind of like another guy I thought of drafting but just couldn't (undrafted yet), and a bit Ron Greschner-esque, too : even if Greschner posted fair-to-good offensive numbers, he would not have been drafted if he couldn't play defense.

I said I didn't know where to use him : that's a bit misleading. I think he would do a nice pairing with Behn Wilson, and one is LHS, the other RHS. However, I'd have to draft another (I'm nearly specific about this) player to trigger the (complete) lineup I'd like to have at this point. And that lineup includes The Whirling Dervish playing a regular shift. I thought of drafting him earlier, but I had the feeling he would fall -- I traded for Jack Crawford instead. Against some teams, who packs a relatively low offensive firepower but that are solid defensively, I could even make him play on my 2nd pairing with Lennard Svedberg to play kind of a 1-2-2 formation.

LapierreSports
05-06-2007, 03:23 PM
Wondering why Wisent has not chosen him, the Wanderers selects f/d as my extra forward : Josef Malecek.

Probably the first European-based player that should have been inducted in the HOF, Malecek was the first to score 1,000 goals, tallying 1,006 goals in 562 games. Swedish journalist Patrick Houda called him, “The Wayne Gretzky of Europe.”

Keeping a Wanderers trend of selecting versatile atheletes, Josef Malecek was one of the most versatile Czech athletes of the 20th century. He ran 100 m in less than 11 seconds and was a Czech recordholder at 400 m hurdles as a 16-year old. When he was 17 he played league football for AC Sparta Prague. He also represented Czechoslovakia in field hockey and tennis. As a field hockey player he was on the national team in 1946 as a 43-year old.

kruezer
05-06-2007, 03:40 PM
Seattle is proud to select C Rick Meagher, a guy who won the Selke Trophy in a season when he had 8 goals and 25 points, back when the NHL didn't give away to Selke to the checker with the most goals, fantastic defensively, but had to retire young due to injury just as he was hitting his prime.

Leaf Lander
05-06-2007, 03:44 PM
:leafs select Bill Hay C

A thinking man's centre with excellent stickhandling and skating abilities Bill was a towering 6'3" playmaker who was the straw that stirred the drink on the line with Hull and Balfour. Hay joined the Chicago Black Hawks in 1959-60. In 70 games with the Hawks, he had 18 goals and 37 assists, and earned the Calder Memorial Trophy. He spent the rest of his NHL career in Chicago, helping his team win the Stanley Cup in 1960-61 while centering the million dollar line. He stayed with Chicago until 1967, consistently putting double digits in the point column



Teammate Bill (Red) Hay, a 6'3" 195-pound center, is another rarity in the National Hockey League--a player with a college degree. Imported from Canada on an athletic scholarship by Colorado College, he was graduated as a geology major in 1958. Two years later he was the N.H.L.'s rookie of the year, after being installed on a line with scoring champ Hull and another rookie, Murray Balfour, whose background is strikingly different from Hay's. Reared in the tough North End of Regina, Saskatchewan, Balfour says guardedly, "Hockey kept me out of a lot of trouble." Balfour, Hay and Hull clicked so well that Rudy Pilous, their phrase-making coach, began to call them, "The Million Dollar Line."

Wisent
05-06-2007, 04:07 PM
Wondering why Wisent has not chosen him, the Wanderers selects f/d as my extra forward : Josef Malecek.

Probably the first European-based player that should have been inducted in the HOF, Malecek was the first to score 1,000 goals, tallying 1,006 goals in 562 games. Swedish journalist Patrick Houda called him, “The Wayne Gretzky of Europe.”

Keeping a Wanderers trend of selecting versatile atheletes, Josef Malecek was one of the most versatile Czech athletes of the 20th century. He ran 100 m in less than 11 seconds and was a Czech recordholder at 400 m hurdles as a 16-year old. When he was 17 he played league football for AC Sparta Prague. He also represented Czechoslovakia in field hockey and tennis. As a field hockey player he was on the national team in 1946 as a 43-year old.

I took a long look at him. But I built my team with a philosophy that Malecek didn`t quite fit. I assembled a team, where everybody was extremely responsible in his own end. Obviously I have never seen even a timy bit of his play but from what I read, it seems he was more of an offensive player than a defensive inded one. Since I looked for defensive capable players I thought that there are still better players out there that fit the description. A good pick, if he fits your needs, nevertheless.

VanIslander
05-06-2007, 04:39 PM
Anybody have a list for Brett_Lebda?

Zetterberg4Captain*
05-06-2007, 06:56 PM
Saskatoon selects Harold Snepsts.

pitseleh
05-06-2007, 07:06 PM
Right here. The Nanaimo Clippers are pleased to select: D Ted Harris.

Finally, Las Vegas is on the clock.

I have pit's pick. The Nanaimo Clippers are pleased to select C Phil Goyette.

I'd like to take your list, MXD, but it's a busy weekend in town, and I'm not sure when I'll be around. I need someone to take Murphy2's list off my hands.

Just wanted to thank GBC for making my picks this weekend.

Harris gives us a doubly tough defender, one of the best fighters of the 60's and a player who can play a regular shift on defense. At worst, he can sub in for Hajt as our sixth d-man if we're up against a more physical team. In addition, he's capable enough to allow us to move Cyclone Taylor up front if we need more scoring on our top lines.

Goyette is an excellent defensive player and PK'er. He won four Cups with the Canadiens as a key shut down player. Stuck behind Beliveau, Richard and Backstrom, he wasn't able to display his offensive talent. After leaving the Canadiens, he blossomed as an excellent offensive player, finishing as a top-10 scorer three times. He brings strong two-way play that should complement Rousseau and Thompson on our third line.

VanIslander
05-06-2007, 07:15 PM
The Thunder select a 21st round steal (deservedly a 12th-14th rounder) the great 6'1 defensive defenseman Dave Burrows. One benefit of having watched hockey for thirty years is I REMEMBER this player and his reputation was stellar. When Rod Langway and Mike Ramsey entered the league they were compared to Burrows, and while Langway did him one better, Burrows was in Ramsey's league, a blueliner who consistently checked opposing forwards out of the play, to the cheers of the fans (and boos of me, as it was my teams he was playing against).

...a professional hockey player for the Pittsburgh Penguins and Toronto Maple Leafs... was considered to be one of the greatest defensive defenseman in NHL history, and one of the most popular players in Penguin's franchise history... Burrows was noted for his ability to stop talented players of his era (such as Guy Lafleur), from moving in their offensive zones.... Several efforts have been made to gain consideration for Burrows for inclusion in the Hockey Hall of Fame. These efforts have, to date, failed, largely due to the current premium placed on offensive skills and statistics for defensemen... Dave Burrows was inducted into the Pittsburgh Penguins Hall of Fame in 1996, and is listed as a "starter", along with Larry Murphy (Hockey HoF member [2]) on the Penguins all time team. [3]... Played in NHL All-Star Game (1974, 1976, 1980)...Played on Team Canada, 1976
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Burrows

Dave Burrows was one of the survivors of a dying breed - the defenseman - and his perfection of the art made him one of the most popular players in Penguins history. The Penguins selected Burrows from the Chicago Blackhawks in the NHL Intra-League Draft in June of 1971. He played with the Penguins through the 1977-78 season and in June of 1978 was traded to Toronto for Randy Carlyle and George Ferguson. Burrows was reacquired by the Penguins in November of 1980 and played with the team through the 1981-82 season. Overall, he played in 724 NHL games with Pittsburgh and Toronto and registered 29 goals and 135 assists for 164 points. Burrows had just 377 penalty minutes in his career, along with six points in 29 playoff games. For the Penguins, he had 24 goals and 108 assists for 132 points in 573 games and four points in 20 playoff games.
http://www.pensinfo.com/?q=node/358

Randy Carlyle and George Ferguson from Toronto for Dave Burrows. Burrows was a brilliant defensive defenseman and shot-blocker, but his best years were behind him when he was sent to the Maple Leafs.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07035/759343-61.stm

dave burrows was the best defence man i have ever seen in the burgh
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=9177476

anguscertified
05-06-2007, 07:32 PM
pick in a bit.

anguscertified
05-06-2007, 07:42 PM
clutch, gritty, and versatile:

Martin Gelinas

VanIslander
05-06-2007, 07:46 PM
clutch, gritty, and versatile:

Martin Gelinas
Yes! I remember him fondly on the effective Oilers all-rookie line in their '90 Stanley Cup championship playoffs. An ideal fourth liner then, and now.

But don't you already have four left wingers?.. Ah, I see you have him as the extra forward. Mavelich won't give up his fourth line left wing spot, as his old coach once said: "He just makes you play him. He won't take no for an answer." Perhaps you could substitute Gelinas for Denneny on the third line when more defense, less offense is needed. The left wing position is quite talented for the Buckaroos, that's for sure.

God Bless Canada
05-06-2007, 07:59 PM
I have the next two picks, and then my own.

The Edmonton Oilers are pleased to select the only blue-liner to score five goals in a game: D Ian Turnbull.

I also have Alder Mannheim's pick: C Johnny Gottselig.

God Bless Canada
05-06-2007, 08:02 PM
And now for my own pick. The Trail Smoke Eaters are pleased to round out their momentum line with a personal favourite. He was tough and rugged, but also skilled, as evidenced by five 25-goal seasons. He was also a key member of the Vancouver Canucks' Stanley Cup run in 1982 with 10 points and a successful shut down assignment on HHOF centre Denis Savard:

LW Curt Fraser

VanIslander
05-06-2007, 08:05 PM
...a key member of the Vancouver Canucks' Stanley Cup run in 1982 with 10 points and a successful shut down assignment on HHOF centre Denis Savard LW Curt Fraser
:handclap: Canucks fans everywhere thank you!

anguscertified
05-06-2007, 08:06 PM
Yes! I remember him fondly on the effective Oilers all-rookie line in their '90 Stanley Cup championship playoffs. An ideal fourth liner then, and now.

But don't you already have four left wingers?.. Ah, I see you have him as the extra forward. Mavelich won't give up his fourth line left wing spot, as his old coach once said: "He just makes you play him. He won't take no for an answer." Perhaps you could substitute Gelinas for Denneny on the third line when more defense, less offense is needed. The left wing position is quite talented for the Buckaroos, that's for sure.

Gelinas sometimes lined up on the right side with the Canucks, but I hate playing guys out of position. Just gives me a different look depending on who is hot. I couldn't pass up his playoff track record.

God Bless Canada
05-06-2007, 08:09 PM
Like I said before, he's one of our favourites. We were looking for a player who could combine skill, toughness and defensive play. There were two LWs who fit the bill. While the other LW - not selected yet - might one day prove to be the better player, Fraser was more proven. Plus, he was a member of the 82 team, and we wanted to get one of those guys after missing out on Tiger Williams and Stan Smyl.

Fraser will give us the ability to utilize four rock-solid forward units on the PK, and he can play on our two-way line, too.

Speaking of our two-way line, does anyone have Gilles Tremblay's number?

VanIslander
05-06-2007, 08:16 PM
does anyone have Gilles Tremblay's number?
He was #21 for most of his career, but switched to #5 in his last couple of seasons.

John Flyers Fan
05-06-2007, 08:41 PM
And now for my own pick. The Trail Smoke Eaters are pleased to round out their momentum line with a personal favourite. He was tough and rugged, but also skilled, as evidenced by five 25-goal seasons. He was also a key member of the Vancouver Canucks' Stanley Cup run in 1982 with 10 points and a successful shut down assignment on HHOF centre Denis Savard:

LW Curt Fraser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQPMS0SusEM

Worst jerseys ever.

Dan Kelly was tremendous, one of the best play-by=play men of all-time.

John Flyers Fan
05-06-2007, 08:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQPMS0SusEM

Worst jerseys ever.

Dan Kelly was tremendous, one of the best play-by=play men of all-time.

Quick follow up to that clip from above. Just found this clip ... it's about 4 minutes later and a full bench clearing brawl. I believe it's Kelly on play-by-play with Howie Meeker doing the color.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPdnXnCWJn8&mode=related&search=

Here's the boxscore from that particular game;

22-Feb-80


Philadelphia Flyers 7 @ Vancouver Canucks 3


First Period
1 - VAN : Manery 5 (EV) 1:30
2 - VAN : Brasar 7 (Smyl, Gradin) (PP) 2:55
3 - PHI : Paul Holmgren 19 (Ken Linseman) (EV) 7:05
4 - PHI : Al Hill 13 (Bobby Clarke) (EV) 16:09
5 - VAN : Fraser 14 (Gradin, Smyl) (EV) 17:46

Penalties - PHI - Paul Holmgren (Hooking) 2:06 ; PHI - Bobby Clarke (Hooking) 4:27 ; PHI - Bobby Clarke (Slashing) 10:20 ; PHI - Paul Holmgren (Fighting (maj)) 19:43 ; VAN - Williams (Fighting (maj)) 19:43 ;


Second Period
6 - PHI : Reggie Leach 39 (Andre Dupont) (EV) 4:09
7 - PHI : Bobby Clarke 9 (Reggie Leach) (EV) 9:01
8 - PHI : Reggie Leach 40 (Bob Dailey, Bill Barber) (PP) 12:26

Penalties - PHI - Frank Bathe (Fighting (maj)) 6:24 ; PHI - Frank Bathe (Holding) 6:24 ; VAN - Butler (Fighting (maj)) 6:24 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman (Fighting (maj)) 8:03 ; VAN - Williams (Fighting (maj)) 8:03 ; PHI - Jimmy Watson (Hooking) 8:51 ; VAN - Hughes (Tripping) 12:18 ;


Third Period
9 - PHI : Mel Bridgman 11 (Paul Holmgren) (EV) 5:35
10 - PHI : Bob Dailey 12 (Rick MacLeish, Bob Kelly) (EV) 5:59

Penalties - PHI - Brian Propp (Hooking) 0:15 ; VAN - Butler (Interference) 7:53 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman (Roughing) 10:43 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman (Roughing) 10:43 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk (Fighting (maj)) 10:43 ; PHI - Phil Myre (Goalie leave crease) 10:43 ; VAN - Gradin (Roughing) 10:43 ; VAN - Hughes (Fighting (maj)) 10:43 ; VAN - Lindgren (Game misconduct) 10:43 ; PHI - Phil Myre (Tripping) 11:09 ; PHI - Bob Dailey ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Bob Dailey (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Bob Dailey 14:30 ; PHI - Frank Bathe (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Frank Bathe 14:30 ; PHI - Frank Bathe 14:30 ; PHI - Jimmy Watson (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Jimmy Watson 14:30 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman 14:30 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk 14:30 ; PHI - Paul Holmgren ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Paul Holmgren (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Pete Peeters ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Pete Peeters (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Phil Myre ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Phil Myre (Misconduct (10 min)) 14:30 ; PHI - Phil Myre 14:30 ; VAN - Bromley 14:30 ; VAN - Gillis ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Gillis (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Hanlon ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Hanlon (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan 14:30 ; VAN - McCarthy (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Smyl ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Smyl (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Snepsts ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Snepsts (Game misconduct) 14:30 ;


Shots On Goal
1 2 3 T
Philadelphia Flyers 9 12 7 28
Vancouver Canucks 9 11 14 34


Goaltenders
Phil Myre (PHI) (W) 31 saves on 34 shots - 60:00 mins
Gary Bromley (VAN) (L) 21 saves on 28 shots - 60:00 mins


Officials
Referee: Bryan Lewis
Linesman: Jim Christison
Linesman: Willard Norris

MXD
05-06-2007, 09:10 PM
Quick follow up to that clip from above. Just found this clip ... it's about 4 minutes later and a full bench clearing brawl. I believe it's Kelly on play-by-play with Howie Meeker doing the color.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPdnXnCWJn8&mode=related&search=

Here's the boxscore from that particular game;

22-Feb-80


Philadelphia Flyers 7 @ Vancouver Canucks 3


First Period
1 - VAN : Manery 5 (EV) 1:30
2 - VAN : Brasar 7 (Smyl, Gradin) (PP) 2:55
3 - PHI : Paul Holmgren 19 (Ken Linseman) (EV) 7:05
4 - PHI : Al Hill 13 (Bobby Clarke) (EV) 16:09
5 - VAN : Fraser 14 (Gradin, Smyl) (EV) 17:46

Penalties - PHI - Paul Holmgren (Hooking) 2:06 ; PHI - Bobby Clarke (Hooking) 4:27 ; PHI - Bobby Clarke (Slashing) 10:20 ; PHI - Paul Holmgren (Fighting (maj)) 19:43 ; VAN - Williams (Fighting (maj)) 19:43 ;


Second Period
6 - PHI : Reggie Leach 39 (Andre Dupont) (EV) 4:09
7 - PHI : Bobby Clarke 9 (Reggie Leach) (EV) 9:01
8 - PHI : Reggie Leach 40 (Bob Dailey, Bill Barber) (PP) 12:26

Penalties - PHI - Frank Bathe (Fighting (maj)) 6:24 ; PHI - Frank Bathe (Holding) 6:24 ; VAN - Butler (Fighting (maj)) 6:24 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman (Fighting (maj)) 8:03 ; VAN - Williams (Fighting (maj)) 8:03 ; PHI - Jimmy Watson (Hooking) 8:51 ; VAN - Hughes (Tripping) 12:18 ;


Third Period
9 - PHI : Mel Bridgman 11 (Paul Holmgren) (EV) 5:35
10 - PHI : Bob Dailey 12 (Rick MacLeish, Bob Kelly) (EV) 5:59

Penalties - PHI - Brian Propp (Hooking) 0:15 ; VAN - Butler (Interference) 7:53 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman (Roughing) 10:43 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman (Roughing) 10:43 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk (Fighting (maj)) 10:43 ; PHI - Phil Myre (Goalie leave crease) 10:43 ; VAN - Gradin (Roughing) 10:43 ; VAN - Hughes (Fighting (maj)) 10:43 ; VAN - Lindgren (Game misconduct) 10:43 ; PHI - Phil Myre (Tripping) 11:09 ; PHI - Bob Dailey ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Bob Dailey (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Bob Dailey 14:30 ; PHI - Frank Bathe (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Frank Bathe 14:30 ; PHI - Frank Bathe 14:30 ; PHI - Jimmy Watson (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Jimmy Watson 14:30 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Mel Bridgman 14:30 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Mike Busniuk 14:30 ; PHI - Paul Holmgren ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Paul Holmgren (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Pete Peeters ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Pete Peeters (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI - Phil Myre ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Phil Myre (Misconduct (10 min)) 14:30 ; PHI - Phil Myre 14:30 ; VAN - Bromley 14:30 ; VAN - Gillis ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Gillis (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Hanlon ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Hanlon (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Logan 14:30 ; VAN - McCarthy (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Smyl ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Smyl (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; VAN - Snepsts ( (maj)) 14:30 ; VAN - Snepsts (Game misconduct) 14:30 ;


Shots On Goal
1 2 3 T
Philadelphia Flyers 9 12 7 28
Vancouver Canucks 9 11 14 34




My guess is Big Behn wasn't in the lineup... :)

John Flyers Fan
05-06-2007, 09:17 PM
My guess is Big Behn wasn't in the lineup... :)

Correct. Behn wasn't in the line-up that night. A Wilson - Tiger Williams scrap would have been nice.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-06-2007, 09:28 PM
But a big part of why we are doing these all-time drafts in the first place is to LEARN more, research and profile great players in the history of the game. I know I have learned a lot from the selections of others and from my own research. I agree with this in large part but there is a limit as to how much one can learn due to well a lack of material available, and that is one of the biggest problems with the Eastern European stars of the past. The information that we do know is either of questionable reputation (considering it was the "crime-free" Soviet Union that was giving the reports). I am surprised at how you have been able to put a defense together, that being said it still is in the bottom 5 in the draft as a whole and well that is being kind. Dallas Smith on the top pairing should be well interesting at the very least.

VanIslander
05-06-2007, 09:33 PM
Dallas Smith on the top pairing should be well interesting at the very least.
he's a great defensive defenseman paired with Conn Smythe Leetch... Burrows as another great defensive defenseman paired with Conn Smythe Savard... Bowman is happy to coach them

Frightened Inmate #2
05-06-2007, 09:38 PM
he's a great defensive defenseman paired with Conn Smythe Leetch... Burrows as another great defensive defenseman paired with Conn Smythe Savard... Bowman is happy to coach them

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Smith was a great defensive defenseman... good yes, but great not by a long shot. There are few great defensive defenseman, and I have found that people vastly overrate the good ones as a result. Smith never had elite shutdown abilities from what I can gather and you can attribute his +/- records to being on the ice when Bobby Orr was there, something I am very glad to say that you won't be able to take advantage of this draft

Edit - The Conn Smythe is nice but I would worry about making it to the playoffs for that to be of any importance.

MXD
05-06-2007, 09:44 PM
Oh... BTW, here are the "vitals" for Vic Stasiuk. He wasn't drafted yet, unless he was in MinorLeague vol. 6

Name: STASIUK, Vic
Position: Left Wing
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 185
Birthday: May 23, 1929
Born: Lethbridge, Alberta
Jersey Number: (#7)

VanIslander
05-06-2007, 09:45 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Smith was a great defensive defenseman... good yes, but great not by a long shot.
What do you know?

"He gained a reputation as an excellent defensive defenseman -- as well as a wide repute as the league's strongest man"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Smith

He was one of six invited to the Summit Series and though he declined it was said the team missed his strength.

All I'm saying is his style works well with Leetch's.

EagleBelfour
05-06-2007, 09:46 PM
Sorry guys, I felled asleep. Big weekend ....

I also have Alder Mannheim's pick: C Johnny Gottselig.

Gottselig was an LW. He was the players I wanted to picked. I'll need to look at that, sorry for slowing the draft.

MXD
05-06-2007, 09:49 PM
14:30 ; PHI - Pete Peeters ( (maj)) 14:30 ; PHI - Pete Peeters (Game misconduct) 14:30 ; PHI

The worst is... Peeters was the BACKUP for this game.

God Bless Canada
05-06-2007, 09:52 PM
What do you know?

"He gained a reputation as an excellent defensive defenseman -- as well as a wide repute as the league's strongest man"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Smith

He was one of six invited to the Summit Series and though he declined it was said the team missed his strength.

All I'm saying is his style works well with Leetch's.
I have a big soft spot for Smith (I had him in the last minor league draft and he played his junior down here in Estevan, Sask.) But as a No. 3 defenceman? I think you're asking a bit much. I think he's good enough to be a regular in this draft, but as a No. 6 defenceman who can get you 15 minutes a night. If you're asking for more than 18 a night from him (which you are as your No. 3 playing on the top pairing), you're going to be in trouble.

VanIslander
05-06-2007, 10:03 PM
So, a player good enough to take on the best players of his era and excel defensively (especially with all those Orr rushes, must have been countless odd rushes coming back when there was a turnover on an Orr's shot or pass) is not good enough against the best players of other eras? Two stanley cups as a heavy minutes defensive defensman and penalty killer. And he can't compare to Adam Foote? Charlie Huddy? Mattias Ohlund? Red Dutton? Kevin Lowe?

When it comes to defensive defensemen there is Tim Horton, Rod Langway and Scott Stevens, and very few others... followed by several great defensive d-men, only some of whom were drafted early in this HFBoards draft. As I've said all along, def. d-men are underrated around here, and some def d-man are somehow much vaulted over others who were just as great defensively.

BTW, it'll be the big duo of Serge Savard-Dave Burrows along with the Kurri line which goes skate-to-skate against the opponent's top line.

EagleBelfour
05-06-2007, 10:21 PM
Sorry for the delay

LW - Marcel Bonin

shawnmullin
05-06-2007, 10:31 PM
I have a big soft spot for Smith (I had him in the last minor league draft and he played his junior down here in Estevan, Sask.) But as a No. 3 defenceman? I think you're asking a bit much. I think he's good enough to be a regular in this draft, but as a No. 6 defenceman who can get you 15 minutes a night. If you're asking for more than 18 a night from him (which you are as your No. 3 playing on the top pairing), you're going to be in trouble.

It's interesting how this draft with defensive d-men seems to be unbelievably slanted towards certain eras. Why is Adam Foote so much more highly regarded? Because we've seen what he can do in person perhaps. Van and I made a concious decision to lean heavily on later round selections of defensive d-men because they were criminally underrated thus far in this draft. I guess we have to work hard to make the argument, but I think these guys combined with our terrific two-way forwards (who were almost all picked due to their ability in both zones) should be more than ready to do the job we need.

They are all conciously big, strong and responsible guys who will work great in Bowman's system.

shawnmullin
05-06-2007, 10:32 PM
Sorry for the delay

LW - Marcel Bonin

Had him in the minor league draft... a good pick and underrated forward.

God Bless Canada
05-06-2007, 10:33 PM
So, a player good enough to take on the best players of his era and excel defensively (especially with all those Orr rushes, must have been countless odd rushes coming back when there was a turnover on an Orr's shot or pass) is not good enough against the best players of other eras? Two stanley cups as a heavy minutes defensive defensman and penalty killer. And he can't compare to Adam Foote? Charlie Huddy? Mattias Ohlund? Red Dutton? Kevin Lowe?

When it comes to defensive defensemen there is Tim Horton, Rod Langway and Scott Stevens, and very few others... followed by several great defensive d-men, only some of whom were drafted early in this HFBoards draft. As I've said all along, def. d-men are underrated around here, and some def d-man are somehow much vaulted over others who were just as great defensively.

BTW, it'll be the big duo of Serge Savard-Dave Burrows along with the Kurri line which goes skate-to-skate against the opponent's top line.
I don't think Smith faced a lot of odd-man rushes with Bobby Orr as his partner. Not with Orr's speed and ability to get back in the play. I'm guessing Smith will face more odd-man rushes in one year with Leetch than he did in three years with Orr. And Leetch isn't that bad defensively, either.

And there's a lot more than just Horton, Langway, Stevens and a few others when it comes to defensive defencemen. Butch Bouchard? Not to mention guys like Bourque, Kelly, Chelios and Lidstrom and Harvey who were outstanding defensively in addition to their offensive skills. There are a lot of defencemen who were better defensively than Smith.

There were still a lot of good/very good defensive defencemen available when you nabbed Smith. Smith was one of them. There just wasn't much separation between those defensive defencemen. That's why Smith's a good pick for the first pick of Round No. 20. I just have concerns how he'll do getting No. 3 minutes.

I think Foote went about 50-100 picks too early as well. I wouldn't take him ahead of a Rob Blake or a Marcel Pronovost, or even a JC Tremblay or a Carl Brewer. I don't think Foote's a No. 2 or 3 defenceman. Based on what I've been able to tell by reading and talking to those who watched Smith play when he was down here, I'd say Foote was quicker and more physical than Smith. Foote was also bigger, too.

Smith might have been strong, but remember, Dave Babych was one of the strongest players of his day, too.

MXD
05-06-2007, 10:34 PM
Had him in the minor league draft... a good pick and underrated forward.

I second : however he DOES have some longevity issues.

raleh
05-06-2007, 10:36 PM
Montreal will snag the (I think) last remaining hall of fame right winger on the board Blair Russel. He will likely play alongside Kirk Muller and Herbie Lewis, but he'll be on a short leash if he can't cut it in the pro game.

Nalyd Psycho
05-06-2007, 10:37 PM
Great pick on Gottselig. Really clutch player.

MXD
05-06-2007, 10:38 PM
Montreal will snag the (I think) last remaining hall of fame right winger on the board Blair Russel. He will likely play alongside Kirk Muller and Herbie Lewis, but he'll be on a short leash if he can't cut it in the pro game.

How do we call this line.... Great-Great Grand Dad playing with Grand Dad playing with Sonny?!?!?!

Spitfire11
05-06-2007, 10:48 PM
Just wanted to thank GBC for making my picks this weekend.

Harris gives us a doubly tough defender, one of the best fighters of the 60's and a player who can play a regular shift on defense. At worst, he can sub in for Hajt as our sixth d-man if we're up against a more physical team. In addition, he's capable enough to allow us to move Cyclone Taylor up front if we need more scoring on our top lines.

Goyette is an excellent defensive player and PK'er. He won four Cups with the Canadiens as a key shut down player. Stuck behind Beliveau, Richard and Backstrom, he wasn't able to display his offensive talent. After leaving the Canadiens, he blossomed as an excellent offensive player, finishing as a top-10 scorer three times. He brings strong two-way play that should complement Rousseau and Thompson on our third line.

A good pair of picks.

I really like the Thompson - Goyette - Rousseau line you've been able to put together, awesome 3rd line (could even be a very good 2nd this draft IMO) and great at both ends of the ice.

I thought about taking Harris (had him in both of my minor league drafts) but he was a penalty machine in the playoffs.

Hockey Outsider
05-06-2007, 10:51 PM
Sorry for the delay

LW - Marcel Bonin

Great pick. One of the HHOF write-ups states: "As part of summer spectator sports, Marcel Bonin was also known to wrestle bears". Say what you will about Bonin's size... this quote, if true, proves that Bonin was stronger, tougher and crazier than 99% of all NHLers, past and present.

God Bless Canada
05-06-2007, 10:56 PM
A good pair of picks.

I really like the Thompson - Goyette - Rousseau line you've been able to put together, awesome 3rd line (could even be a very good 2nd this draft IMO) and great at both ends of the ice.

I thought about taking Harris (had him in both of my minor league drafts) but he was a penalty machine in the playoffs.
As someone who has forged a very respect-filled rivalry with pit (which is more than I can say about my heated, chirping rivalry with Murphy2), I think I can count the number of bad picks he's had on one hand. He rarely makes a mistake, and he's not a guy you want to pick behind, because he'll likely sneak away the guy you want.

I had to go through pit to win the division in the last draft. I think I'm going to have to do the same in this draft.

pitseleh
05-06-2007, 10:57 PM
Great pick. One of the HHOF write-ups states: "As part of summer spectator sports, Marcel Bonin was also known to wrestle bears". Say what you will about Bonin's size... this quote, if true, proves that Bonin was stronger, tougher and crazier than 99% of all NHLers, past and present.

There was a really good quote about that in Ultimate Hockey, let me see if I can dig it up.

Alright, in faux French speak: "I ressle duh bear buh duh bear ee beat me."

And thanks for the compliments guys. :)

Evil Speaker
05-06-2007, 11:11 PM
Homer pick - C Orland Kurtenbach

I also can't think of any big 4th line style centerman

pitseleh
05-06-2007, 11:17 PM
pappyline sent me a list. He's proud to select LW Johnny Wilson.

Leaf Lander
05-06-2007, 11:31 PM
someone call the hockey draft hot line and wake john flyers fan up from his slumber;)

shawnmullin
05-06-2007, 11:53 PM
I don't think Smith faced a lot of odd-man rushes with Bobby Orr as his partner. Not with Orr's speed and ability to get back in the play. I'm guessing Smith will face more odd-man rushes in one year with Leetch than he did in three years with Orr. And Leetch isn't that bad defensively, either.

And there's a lot more than just Horton, Langway, Stevens and a few others when it comes to defensive defencemen. Butch Bouchard? Not to mention guys like Bourque, Kelly, Chelios and Lidstrom and Harvey who were outstanding defensively in addition to their offensive skills. There are a lot of defencemen who were better defensively than Smith.

There were still a lot of good/very good defensive defencemen available when you nabbed Smith. Smith was one of them. There just wasn't much separation between those defensive defencemen. That's why Smith's a good pick for the first pick of Round No. 20. I just have concerns how he'll do getting No. 3 minutes.

I think Foote went about 50-100 picks too early as well. I wouldn't take him ahead of a Rob Blake or a Marcel Pronovost, or even a JC Tremblay or a Carl Brewer. I don't think Foote's a No. 2 or 3 defenceman. Based on what I've been able to tell by reading and talking to those who watched Smith play when he was down here, I'd say Foote was quicker and more physical than Smith. Foote was also bigger, too.

Smith might have been strong, but remember, Dave Babych was one of the strongest players of his day, too.

One thing to remember here though is that our D is not going to be relying heavily one a top pairing. It's going to be a unit of guys working together with very repsonsible forwards to play solid team defence. The key is that among our guys none are going to take stupid risks and cause a lot of odd man rushes or turnovers. It's going to be a strong team game.

Smith is not going to play the PP, he won't get Leetch or Savard's minutes by any means. This is a guy who is a strong, smart, defensive guy who will be a good partner for our top puck mover. I don't personally break it down into 3rd, 4th D or any of that. Do they suit their roles?

Also remember Smith had a great plus minus and was part of a strong team without Orr too.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-06-2007, 11:59 PM
What do you know?

"He gained a reputation as an excellent defensive defenseman -- as well as a wide repute as the league's strongest man"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Smith

He was one of six invited to the Summit Series and though he declined it was said the team missed his strength.

All I'm saying is his style works well with Leetch's.

I do know that anyone can edit wikipedia and that as a result it is a crappy reference.

shawnmullin
05-06-2007, 11:59 PM
FYI 1975-76 Bobby Orr played 10 games for the Bruins and Dallas Smith?

77 games, 32 points and a +42

1976-77, Bobby Orr was long gone and Smith was a +16 in 58 games.

Did he benefit from playing with Orr? Of course he did.

But he also earned that spot with Orr and did his job with or without the greatest.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 12:00 AM
I do know that anyone can edit wikipedia and that as a result it is a crappy reference.

You really seem to want to fight our D.

Well let me tell you something bub... they're strong so they will FIGHT YOU BACK!

*Takes UFC position*

Nalyd Psycho
05-07-2007, 12:05 AM
I do know that anyone can edit wikipedia and that as a result it is a crappy reference.

While true, on the whole it usually balances out and they do a pretty good job of source checking. But, I dont think their Hockey coverage is strong.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 12:07 AM
While true, on the whole it usually balances out and they do a pretty good job of source checking. But, I dont think their Hockey coverage is strong.

Much of what Van takes from Wiki is attributed to elsewhere however.

Nalyd Psycho
05-07-2007, 12:08 AM
You really seem to want to fight our D.

Well let me tell you something bub... they're strong so they will FIGHT YOU BACK!

*Takes UFC position*

It's not really fair to pick on him though, I mean, Mike Ricter is his starter. Nuff said...

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 12:09 AM
You really seem to want to fight our D.

Well let me tell you something bub... they're strong so they will FIGHT YOU BACK!

*Takes UFC position*

What? I would take my defense every time over yours if that is what you are getting at, in fact the only area that I see your team as having a significant advantage is goaltending and coaching. The offenses are pretty much a wash, which is saying something considering how you built your offense very early and traded up a significant amount in order to build that offense. Tikkanen in a second line role is questionable as his discipline will be a concern.

I agree that I took Foote way to early and it is my biggest blunder of the draft.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 12:16 AM
It's not really fair to pick on him though, I mean, Mike Ricter is his starter. Nuff said...

The same Mike Richter who was one of the few big game goaltenders of the 90s? Look at his performance in the 1994 playoffs as well as in the World Cup of Hockey, as well as the Olympics in 2002. Having a goaltender who has been able to show up for the big games and win the big games is something that is necessary and I think if you are honest with yourself you will be able to tell that Richter is one of the top 30 goaltenders of all time (although you have Benedict a goaltender who benifited greatly from the rules of the time and the lack of the offensive forward pass - which when taken out resulted in his goals against average doubling, not really what I could consider a great pick when you look at the situation from an objective standpoint, it was a different game, especially from a goaltending standpoint - hell when he started the rules were that he wasn't able to drop to his knees)

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 12:18 AM
Much of what Van takes from Wiki is attributed to elsewhere however.

Someone elses opinion as to the quality of defensive ability - I mean being excellent isn't something you can quantify,

arrbez
05-07-2007, 12:19 AM
Great pick. One of the HHOF write-ups states: "As part of summer spectator sports, Marcel Bonin was also known to wrestle bears". Say what you will about Bonin's size... this quote, if true, proves that Bonin was stronger, tougher and crazier than 99% of all NHLers, past and present.

You need to take it with a grain of salt. Bears back in the 1950's were amateur at best, and they usually worked a second job in the offseason instead of training year-round like modern bears do.

arrbez
05-07-2007, 12:21 AM
While true, on the whole it usually balances out and they do a pretty good job of source checking. But, I dont think their Hockey coverage is strong.

wikipedia speaks nothing but the truth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ben_Ondrus&oldid=55371692

raleh
05-07-2007, 12:26 AM
The same Mike Richter who was one of the few big game goaltenders of the 90s? Look at his performance in the 1994 playoffs as well as in the World Cup of Hockey, as well as the Olympics in 2002. Having a goaltender who has been able to show up for the big games and win the big games is something that is necessary and I think if you are honest with yourself you will be able to tell that Richter is one of the top 30 goaltenders of all time (although you have Benedict a goaltender who benifited greatly from the rules of the time and the lack of the offensive forward pass - which when taken out resulted in his goals against average doubling, not really what I could consider a great pick when you look at the situation from an objective standpoint, it was a different game, especially from a goaltending standpoint - hell when he started the rules were that he wasn't able to drop to his knees)

But if I'm not mistaken, the most common criteria in this draft is the players' dominance (or lack thereof) during their own era. Clint Benedict was the best goalie of his era...by a decent margin from what I can tell. Mike Richter was never, not even for a year, the best goaltender in the world. In fact, I don't even think he was ever in the top 3 for any extended period of time.

I realize my starter is Gerry Cheevers, so I'm setting myself up here, but I'm not comparing my goaltending to anyone elses yet. As far as I'm concerned however, there is a good sized gap between Benedict and Richter with Richter coming out on the losing end.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 12:26 AM
What? I would take my defense every time over yours if that is what you are getting at, in fact the only area that I see your team as having a significant advantage is goaltending and coaching. The offenses are pretty much a wash, which is saying something considering how you built your offense very early and traded up a significant amount in order to build that offense. Tikkanen in a second line role is questionable as his discipline will be a concern.

I agree that I took Foote way to early and it is my biggest blunder of the draft.

Dude I was joking around to ease the vibe.... clearly you took that as "oh he wants me to rip his team"

We're all just having fun here.

arrbez
05-07-2007, 12:28 AM
Ever since he changed his name, he got real sassy...

Nalyd Psycho
05-07-2007, 12:28 AM
(although you have Benedict a goaltender who benifited greatly from the rules of the time and the lack of the offensive forward pass - which when taken out resulted in his goals against average doubling, not really what I could consider a great pick when you look at the situation from an objective standpoint, it was a different game, especially from a goaltending standpoint - hell when he started the rules were that he wasn't able to drop to his knees)

And you selected first overall a player that couldn't even make the playoffs when he was removed from a cushy situation in Boston.

Judging a player's value based on their final year when they had the 2nd longest career for any goalie in history up to that point, and, held that mark for durability for more than 40 years after, is patently absurd.

Edit: To add to that, granted my data is incomplete, but, based on the players who's age is known at hockeydb.com, Benedict was the oldest player in the NHL during the 29-30 season. Once again, your argument shows a complete lack of logic to the point that it actually hurts my head to think that you may actually believe the words that come out of your mouth and aren't just being contrarian.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 12:28 AM
Someone elses opinion as to the quality of defensive ability - I mean being excellent isn't something you can quantify,

Honestly I don't know why you're doing this if you don't think that someone else's opinion is relevant in quantifying excellence. Clearly much of the all-time draft is based on the opinion of hockey experts and historical writers. If not all we'd have were stats, and any hockey fan worth his salt knows they are only part of the story.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 12:29 AM
And you selected first overall a player that couldn't even make the playoffs when he was removed from a cushy situation in Boston.

Judging a player's value based on their final year when they had the 2nd longest career for any goalie in history up to that point, and, held that mark for durability for more than 40 years after, is patently absurd.

'cmon Nalyd, clearly Benedict is a bum.

I mean, If the game I was playing was dramatically changed near the end of my career I'm sure it would have no impact on me whatsover.

But we all know Orr is the one who is really overrated. I mean cmon, you have one little knee injury and suddenly you can't play? :sarcasm:

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 12:30 AM
But if I'm not mistaken, the most common criteria in this draft is the players' dominance (or lack thereof) during their own era. Clint Benedict was the best goalie of his era...by a decent margin from what I can tell. Mike Richter was never, not even for a year, the best goaltender in the world. In fact, I don't even think he was ever in the top 3 for any extended period of time.

I realize my starter is Gerry Cheevers, so I'm setting myself up here, but I'm not comparing my goaltending to anyone elses yet. As far as I'm concerned however, there is a good sized gap between Benedict and Richter with Richter coming out on the losing end.

I take more into consideration to determine who was the best goaltender, look at the game as a whole in order to determine who was the best. Benidict played a different game than what is played now, which is what needs to be judged against. When the rules changed his game suffered. How can anyone deny that Benidict played in a completely different era, to the extent of playing a different game. I wouldn't select the best Brandy player as a starter and I wouldn't do the same with a player from before 1929 due to the lack of the forward pass in the offensive zone.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 12:34 AM
I take more into consideration to determine who was the best goaltender, look at the game as a whole in order to determine who was the best. Benidict played a different game than what is played now, which is what needs to be judged against. When the rules changed his game suffered. How can anyone deny that Benidict played in a completely different era, to the extent of playing a different game. I wouldn't select the best Brandy player as a starter and I wouldn't do the same with a player from before 1929 due to the lack of the forward pass in the offensive zone.

You really are missing the spirit of this draft IMO. Obviously every era of the game is vastly different. How do we know how good Joe Malone would be in today's NHL or how good Wayne Gretzky would be in the depression era. That's part of the fun. The guess work, the research, the discussion and the passion involved.

We're not drafting the best players to play in the current NHL... it's an all time draft.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 12:35 AM
Honestly I don't know why you're doing this if you don't think that someone else's opinion is relevant in quantifying excellence. Clearly much of the all-time draft is based on the opinion of hockey experts and historical writers. If not all we'd have were stats, and any hockey fan worth his salt knows they are only part of the story.

No it isn't based primarly off statistics but to say that someone was excellent and then use wikipedia as a source for that, is not going to fly with me.



And you selected first overall a player that couldn't even make the playoffs when he was removed from a cushy situation in Boston.

Judging a player's value based on their final year when they had the 2nd longest career for any goalie in history up to that point, and, held that mark for durability for more than 40 years after, is patently absurd.

I don't care that it was his last season, the point I am trying to make was that Benidict played what amounts to a different game due to the rules at the time. This isn't something personal it is something I have pointed out time and time again when discussing goaltenders who played before 1929.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 12:37 AM
You really are missing the spirit of this draft IMO. Obviously every era of the game is vastly different. How do we know how good Joe Malone would be in today's NHL or how good Wayne Gretzky would be in the depression era. That's part of the fun. The guess work, the research, the discussion and the passion involved.

We're not drafting the best players to play in the current NHL... it's an all time draft.

I am drafting players to play with the current rules, where you can pass forward in the offensive zone. All time players but you need that relative to the current rules.

Nalyd Psycho
05-07-2007, 12:38 AM
I don't care that it was his last season, the point I am trying to make was that Benidict played what amounts to a different game due to the rules at the time. This isn't something personal it is something I have pointed out time and time again when discussing goaltenders who played before 1929.

by the same token, could Richter play in an era without forward passing? Or how about pre-slapshot? Or without a mask?

To say a player from a certain era or league is inherently inferior violates the spirit of the draft.

I apologize if I get a bit too heated when discussing this. It just angers me that someone involved in this process could be so dismissive of the ideology behind an all-time draft.

pitseleh
05-07-2007, 12:46 AM
I take more into consideration to determine who was the best goaltender, look at the game as a whole in order to determine who was the best. Benidict played a different game than what is played now, which is what needs to be judged against. When the rules changed his game suffered. How can anyone deny that Benidict played in a completely different era, to the extent of playing a different game. I wouldn't select the best Brandy player as a starter and I wouldn't do the same with a player from before 1929 due to the lack of the forward pass in the offensive zone.

Yeah, but one season is hardly enough to draw a valid inference. When you consider that every goalie's GAA went up significantly after the rule change (for example the 1930 Vezina winner Tiny Thompson went from 1.15 to 2.19) it was expected that his GAA would go up as well.

The fact that he was no longer the best is much more likely because he was 37, and not because of the rule change.

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 12:52 AM
To the Jim Robson Division: HFF's Portland Buckaroos

To the Don Cherry Division: Troubled Inmate #2's Vancouver Canucks

The new conference alignment allows us to have the best rivalry in the draft. (Trail vs. Edmonton). This would enable the second-best rivalry in the draft (Las Vegas vs. Vancouver). We have to get these two teams in the same division. And it's always nice to have my old friend HFF in my division. (Natural rivalry with myself, pit and HFF).

BTW, nice to have you back talking again, TI2. It's been far too quiet from your camp in this draft.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 12:53 AM
by the same token, could Richter play in an era without forward passing? Or how about pre-slapshot? Or without a mask?

Without forward passing - seeing as though it was a rule designed to increase the scoring levels in the NHL when they were at all time lows (sound familiar!) one would have to say yes.

Pre-slapshot - well players can still use a wrist shot as well as the other shots available at the time - I would have to say yes he would be able to play pre-slapshot

Without a mask - I don't understand this one, it doesn't have anything to do with the rules of the game (well I guess they blow the play down when the goaltender loses his mask). Plus I thought that everyone agreed that equipment would be standard with modern equipment.


To say a player from a certain era or league is inherently inferior violates the spirit of the draft.

If you feel as thought that is what I am doing then you couldn't be more wrong - I am stating that due to the rules at the time they greatly inflated (or deflated) the numbers of goaltenders which have been used as the main benchmark considering the lack of footage from the era.


I apologize if I get a bit too heated when discussing this. It just angers me that someone involved in this process could be so dismissive of the ideology behind an all-time draft.

Dismissive of your ideology. I don't think that someone from one era is automatically comparable to another there are differences in skills not to mention the rules in which they played.

Nalyd Psycho
05-07-2007, 12:54 AM
I guess I should note, just to establish my state of mind, I'm writing homework right now...

pitseleh
05-07-2007, 12:55 AM
To the Jim Robson Division: HFF's Portland Buckaroos

To the Don Cherry Division: Troubled Inmate #2's Vancouver Canucks

The new conference alignment allows us to have the best rivalry in the draft. (Trail vs. Edmonton). This would enable the second-best rivalry in the draft (Las Vegas vs. Vancouver). We have to get these two teams in the same division. And it's always nice to have my old friend HFF in my division. (Natural rivalry with myself, pit and HFF).

BTW, nice to have you back talking again, TI2. It's been far too quiet from your camp in this draft.

That would make this thing 10x more entertaining. :D

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 12:56 AM
To the Jim Robson Division: HFF's Portland Buckaroos

To the Don Cherry Division: Troubled Inmate #2's Vancouver Canucks

The new conference alignment allows us to have the best rivalry in the draft. (Trail vs. Edmonton). This would enable the second-best rivalry in the draft (Las Vegas vs. Vancouver). We have to get these two teams in the same division. And it's always nice to have my old friend HFF in my division. (Natural rivalry with myself, pit and HFF).

BTW, nice to have you back talking again, TI2. It's been far too quiet from your camp in this draft.
I guess I should note, just to establish my state of mind, I'm writing homework right now...

You can blame the movie Freedom Writers for that, the crap movie that I thankfully didn't pay for wasted two hours of my life getting the same tired message across over and over again!

Wisent
05-07-2007, 12:58 AM
You need to take it with a grain of salt. Bears back in the 1950's were amateur at best, and they usually worked a second job in the offseason instead of training year-round like modern bears do.

:biglaugh:

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 12:59 AM
By the way if anyone else in the draft has MSN Messenger my e-mail is fraserdunn@hotmail.com

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 01:07 AM
We certainly are free and willing to debate here that's for sure. I just don't see the point of even doing an all time draft if you're going to discount or undervalue older or european players the way that you do.

Murphy
05-07-2007, 01:20 AM
To the Jim Robson Division: HFF's Portland Buckaroos

To the Don Cherry Division: Troubled Inmate #2's Vancouver Canucks

The new conference alignment allows us to have the best rivalry in the draft. (Trail vs. Edmonton). This would enable the second-best rivalry in the draft (Las Vegas vs. Vancouver). We have to get these two teams in the same division. And it's always nice to have my old friend HFF in my division. (Natural rivalry with myself, pit and HFF).


Trails gotta make the playoffs before there's a rivalry, and with that powderpuff line-up, I don't know.....?

But thanks GBG, and BM67 for selecting for me this weekend. Jason Smith is a current favourite and a very welcome addition to the lineup. I think Smith alone has more grit in himself than the entire Trail line-up.

Ian Turnbull is an old favourite, he was a strong #2 with Salming in his day and will be looked upon as a powerplay specialist on the Oil. In his prime between 76 to 81 he averaged over 60 ppg and just under 1 ppg average in the playoffs.

Not sure why Al Secord doesn't get more love here but he will with the Oil faithful, twice a 40 goal scorer, once a 50 goal scorer and over 2000 pims in his career and not cheap pims like that Dale whatshisname. It won't take Secord long to endear himself to the Oil fans when he introduces himself to Curt Fraser in the first preseason game with Trail.

Nalyd Psycho
05-07-2007, 01:33 AM
Not sure why Al Secord doesn't get more love here but he will with the Oil faithful, twice a 40 goal scorer, once a 50 goal scorer and over 2000 pims in his career and not cheap pims like that Dale whatshisname. It won't take Secord long to endear himself to the Oil fans when he introduces himself to Curt Fraser in the first preseason game with Trail.

I strongly concidered him, but, ultimately decided he wasn't what I needed.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 02:03 AM
Ever since he changed his name, he got real sassy...

No I am just having some fun here, I love to debate things related to hockey and this is just another case of that. Makes things a bit more entertaining that everyone nodding their head and agreeing with everything don't you think - plus it encourages more active discussion.

And Freedom Writers is still bugging the hell out of me, what a crap movie.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 02:06 AM
We certainly are free and willing to debate here that's for sure. I just don't see the point of even doing an all time draft if you're going to discount or undervalue older or european players the way that you do.

It is just different value system that I have, you might disagree and it is your right to do so, I will say it is possible that I am disagreeing with your lineup because I know both you and VanIslander will both defend your team with some solid arguements.... but that is just hypothetically speaking. ;)

Take it as a compliment not as an insult.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 02:09 AM
It is just different value system that I have, you might disagree and it is your right to do so, I will say it is possible that I am disagreeing with your lineup because I know both you and VanIslander will both defend your team with some solid arguements.... but that is just hypothetically speaking. ;)

Take it as a compliment not as an insult.

I'm not insulted no worries. Debate is cool with me. I know my view of the draft has changed dramatically in only having been in now two of them so it's ever evolving.

Nalyd Psycho
05-07-2007, 02:11 AM
And Freedom Writers is still bugging the hell out of me, what a crap movie.

I hate when that happens. I actually had nightmares because Pet Cemetary was so awful. I kept trying to find ways to make it not suck that I couldn't sleep.

Pwnasaurus
05-07-2007, 06:21 AM
Back from a mini vacation and I find lots of debate...excellent!

PS: how much more time on JFF's clock? I have to leave from about 9am est until sometime in the evening.

BM67
05-07-2007, 06:27 AM
Back from a mini vacation and I find lots of debate...excellent!

PS: how much more time on JFF's clock? I have to leave from about 9am est until sometime in the evening.
His time will be up at 9:17 am eastern

Pwnasaurus
05-07-2007, 06:33 AM
Ok, if he's not here in an hour can I PM my pick to someone? thx.

BM67
05-07-2007, 07:22 AM
Ok, if he's not here in an hour can I PM my pick to someone? thx.
You can send it to me.

Pwnasaurus
05-07-2007, 07:24 AM
You can send it to me.

Thx. PM sent.

BM67
05-07-2007, 08:23 AM
JFF's time is up and I have the next two GMs lists so here goes.

For Pwnasaurus and the Kansas City Scouts the selection is goaltender Chris Osgood.

and for #66 and Les A's de Quebec the selection is:

RW Bill Ezinicki

He began his NHL career in 1944-45 when he suited up for eight games with the Toronto Maple Leafs where he had a goal and five points. The following season was split between the Pittsburgh Hornets of the AHL and the Leafs, where he had four goals and 12 points in 24 games.

In 1946-47, Ezinicki's role on the team grew tremendously as he played in 60 games with the Leafs, scoring 17 goals and 20 assists for 37 points. He played three more seasons in Toronto, reaching at least the ten-goal and 20-point mark each year. Although he weighed just 170 pounds, he had the reputation of being one of the NHL's best bodycheckers, something that New York Ranger forward Edgar Laprade could have attested to, having been knocked unconscious by one of Ezinicki's thundering hits. There was a league investigation into the hit, but it was deemed legal.

In 1950-51 he joined the Boston Bruins, scoring 35 points in 53 games. Ezinicki also was involved in an infamous stick-swinging duel with Detroit's Ted Lindsay in 1951, resulting 19 stitches for Ezinicki and three-game suspensions and $300 fines for both.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 09:04 AM
Do that and I quit. F that!

I'm tired of his constant picking-out-from-the-crowd favortism of criticism toward my "different value system". His points are legit but they are so much more toward my teams than any others. He helped an upset happen last draft because I simply didn't have as much time to fight back in arguing.

I have that a lot of nice arguments, reasoning with several of you guys, many pleasantries via PMs, analyses, real discussions. But nothing with him, even when I tried. He is just being "logical" but he keeps doing it on my *ss. He is relentless.

Keep the alignments as they are. We have drafted teams to face the sort of teams in our division. No need for re-arrangement at round 20. Seriously.

Ha, ha. But no.

You had me at hello.... but past that the reason that I enjoy "picking" on you for lack of a better term is that I know you can make a solid arguement and that you will defend your team in an articulate manner. At the same time we have some different viewpoints on issues, to a certain degree I feel as though players have evolved over time and that needs to be taken into account, hell look at Roy Worter's beer belly in that picture that was posted a while back. The real debate is whether greatness can easily be transfered from era to era... and what could amount to from sport to sport considering the changes in the rules of the game.

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 09:19 AM
...players have evolved over time and that needs to be taken into account, hell look at Roy Worter's beer belly in that picture that was posted a while back...
I agree totally.

How does that point relate at all to the Thunder's line-up? It doesn't!!!

Smith was a farmer in the off season and that's probably how he got the rep as the strongest NHLer: build some fences and run a big farm and get pretty tough, those farmers and ranchers. Shane Doan grew up on a ranch and he attributed his toughness to that upbringing. Tsygankov was a strong, fearless, shot-blocking top checker for the Soviets throughout the 70s, a decade they PROVED they're as good as NHLers!! at least the top Soviets were, and he was a part of all those teams at that time, alternate captain as well... (whereas, the Soviets of the 50s I'm as suspect about as the NHLers of the 30s, though in both cases I judge those picks differently, as honouring the past, and give them the benefit of the doubt in terms of how they'd fare with modern nutrition, training, equipment, etcetera, though looking at pictures of waaaay back then, I can't help but think there's no way they'd be in the same league, that we are - in part - simply acknowledging the past and respect for picks are on that basis.) Burrows I remember as a premier player defensively and (here's a new link, one more respected) is listed on the NHLPA Legends site:
"... established himself as one of the NHL's best defensive rearguards. And although he lacked almost any scoring knack in the offensive zone, he was well equipped to cover his own end of the rink. In his prime, he could skate faster backwards than most players could move forwards, and as such, could stifle any one-on-one threat with exceptional efficiency.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=12160

arrbez
05-07-2007, 09:59 AM
I hate when that happens. I actually had nightmares because Pet Cemetary was so awful. I kept trying to find ways to make it not suck that I couldn't sleep.

wait till you see Spiderman 3. By the end I was fully hoping for Venom to chew Toby McGuires stupid crap-acting face off, but it never came...

Evil Sather
05-07-2007, 10:13 AM
I take back my take back because I apparently suck donkey ass at research + reading compreshension.

Sorry D Dave Ellet. I'll bump your pay by 10% if that'll smooth things over :)

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 10:45 AM
Trails gotta make the playoffs before there's a rivalry, and with that powderpuff line-up, I don't know.....?

But thanks GBG, and BM67 for selecting for me this weekend. Jason Smith is a current favourite and a very welcome addition to the lineup. I think Smith alone has more grit in himself than the entire Trail line-up.

Ian Turnbull is an old favourite, he was a strong #2 with Salming in his day and will be looked upon as a powerplay specialist on the Oil. In his prime between 76 to 81 he averaged over 60 ppg and just under 1 ppg average in the playoffs.

Not sure why Al Secord doesn't get more love here but he will with the Oil faithful, twice a 40 goal scorer, once a 50 goal scorer and over 2000 pims in his career and not cheap pims like that Dale whatshisname. It won't take Secord long to endear himself to the Oil fans when he introduces himself to Curt Fraser in the first preseason game with Trail.
As far as grit is concerned, Jason Smith doesn't come close to Gus Mortson. Mortson would beat Smith to a pulp in quick fashion.

Fraser will eat Secord alive, just like in the 1982 Campbell Conference Final, when Secord and Savard didn't have an answer for the relentless checking efforts of Fraser et al.

Ian Turnbull averaged just over 60 ppg? For just the second time in the draft (the first being the selection of Nels Stewart), I'm impressed with a Murphy2 selection. 60 ppg? Geez, that put him on pace for 4,800 points.

Anyways, there are a couple of forwards left over from the list that pit sent me for his second pick in the 20th round. Should I announce his pick, and then allow him to change it if he so desires. I don't know whether those players are still the ones he wants, or if they were listed because they met a need.

MXD
05-07-2007, 10:48 AM
My two cents? Dallas Smith might have been a solid D-Men ; I think having him on a Top-3 means ... a VERY, VERY, VERY average D-Men corps.

I know I've, me too, one of the worst defensemen corps in the draft this time around (but say whatever you want, my 1st pairing is rock-solid defensively, no matter what Eddie Shore said about Tom Johnson, those guys were just too different in their game styles anyways... And Shore was a Bruins... And he was probably jealous about the fact Johnson got the coaching job after Sinden left Boston... AND whatever other reason to discredit Shore).

John Flyers Fan
05-07-2007, 10:53 AM
Sorry for the late notice, started a new job today.

Will be back with more details later, but the Philadlphia Flyers select - C - Slava Bykov.
The #2 center on the famed Red Army and Soviet National teams of the 1980's.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 11:45 AM
You had me at hello.... but past that the reason that I enjoy "picking" on you for lack of a better term is that I know you can make a solid arguement and that you will defend your team in an articulate manner. At the same time we have some different viewpoints on issues, to a certain degree I feel as though players have evolved over time and that needs to be taken into account, hell look at Roy Worter's beer belly in that picture that was posted a while back. The real debate is whether greatness can easily be transfered from era to era... and what could amount to from sport to sport considering the changes in the rules of the game.

The thing about the "players have evolved" argument is of COURSE they have evolved. Technology evolves, health care evolves, workouts and diet plans evolve... but Joe Malone scored 7 goals in a game and was that much better than his competition, so why if he were given the same advantage would his natural ability not translate? In that same way, if Gretzky didn't have th eadvntages he had I am sure he'd still dominate in the old NHL.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 11:49 AM
My two cents? Dallas Smith might have been a solid D-Men ; I think having him on a Top-3 means ... a VERY, VERY, VERY average D-Men corps.


I've made this point and I'll make it again now... Smith plays in the "top 3" because he fits a need. He's a lights out shut down defenceman who will play with our top puck mover. He is not going to get PP minutes. He's not going to play 30 minutes a game. We will lean heavily on Savard and Burrows against top oppositions AND the other important thing to note is that our D is not built to have top end talent up high and some lower talent in bottom pairings. It's a depth unit built on smart, defensive hockey... no mistake hockey... and we've drafted low risk player who don't make mistakes.

Is it the top group in th eleague? No, but with our two-way forwards it doesn't have to be, because we're going to have a unit of forwards that will outclass almost anyone with their play in both ends.

It's funny though that people mention top 3 top 3... for example, Chris Pronger played some of his best hockey last season with Marc-Andre Bergeron as his partner. Do you think MAB was one of the Oilers' top D-men at the time? No, he was like 5 or 6 on the depth chart. They just fit well and worked well together.

MXD
05-07-2007, 12:07 PM
It's funny though that people mention top 3 top 3... for example, Chris Pronger played some of his best hockey last season with Marc-Andre Bergeron as his partner. Do you think MAB was one of the Oilers' top D-men at the time? No, he was like 5 or 6 on the depth chart. They just fit well and worked well together.

The thing is.. that argument works for very few defensemens, as very few (ATD) teams have real-life partners. You can sorta guess that some guys would mesh well together -- that's my guess for Wally Stanowski and Behn Wilson on my 3rd pairing -- but that's only because of their respective styles, and it is somewhat "untested". And Pronger/Bergeron were a pairing on the 2005-2006 Edmonton Oilers edition weren't playing against star-studded teams like we do. I think that MAB could be considered potent candidate for, well, Top-4 minutes(NHL-wise), should he be paired with someone to cover his lapses...

That's why coaches exists, and that's why a great coach his extremely valuable to his team. Every player has his uses, should he be used efficiently. Take the all-time PP goals leader in a season(in case someone is really screwed on D, he could be drafted...). This guy was used efficiently this year (PP, PK) and also not so efficiently (25 mins. a game, lots of time of ES when he cannot hold/clutch/grab anymore, with no D-Men to speak of able to minimize his flaws - the best one at this was Mark Streit who was used as forward - ... ***). But there was no way to keep him out of the ice, and it's ultimately brought his team demise this year.

Evil Sather
05-07-2007, 12:08 PM
In support - Jeff Beukeboom was a great fit for Brian Leetch. Talent wise he was a 5-6th defenseman.. but that doesn't mean he wasn't a great guy to pair Leetch up with at even strength.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 12:18 PM
I can all ready see the arguments coming out about D and that's inevitable when people take their guys way earlier than we took ours they're going to prioritize theirs ahead... all we can both say is it's a strategic move based on both our feelings towards these very strong, reliable, mistake-free defenders and how they tend to slip through the cracks.

With Bowman and with our forwards we think it works extremely well.

MXD
05-07-2007, 12:22 PM
I can all ready see the arguments coming out about D and that's inevitable when people take their guys way earlier than we took ours they're going to prioritize theirs ahead... all we can both say is it's a strategic move based on both our feelings towards these very strong, reliable, mistake-free defenders and how they tend to slip through the cracks.

With Bowman and with our forwards we think it works extremely well.

I did pretty much the same bet as you -- only two D's in the Top-300 -- the only thing I wanted was a PP specialist amongst my "last" five D's selected.

pitseleh
05-07-2007, 12:29 PM
The Nanaimo Clippers are proud to select RW Marian Hossa as our thirteenth forward.

A two time top-10 goal scorer, Hossa provides good all around play. He can fit in anywhere from our second to our fourth line if need be and chip in offensively while playing solid defense.

Evil Sather
05-07-2007, 12:35 PM
The Nanaimo Clippers are proud to select RW Marian Hossa as our thirteenth forward.

A two time top-10 goal scorer, Hossa provides good all around play. He can fit in anywhere from our second to our fourth line if need be and chip in offensively while playing solid defense.

Should probably ride VICIOUS PINE in the playoffs though :p:

pitseleh
05-07-2007, 12:43 PM
Should probably ride VICIOUS PINE in the playoffs though :p:

He was pretty terrible this year, but he's been better in years past.

I definitely think there were better players available, but I wanted a RW - Bentley is capable of filling in at center, and I can move Cyclone Taylor or Babe Siebert to LW if need be. He definitely won't be above the third line on the depth chart, as I'd move others up the depth chart if need be and sub him in on the third line.

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 12:47 PM
I have #66's pick. The Quebec Aces are pleased to select a former 100-point scorer and a CIS alum: RW Paul MacLean.

"After a solid junior career, MacLean was drafted by the St.Louis Blues late in the 1978 Amateur Draft. Disillusioned at not making the Blues right away, he decided to attend Dalhousie University in Halifax and play for Canada's Olympic Team rather than play in the minors. The decision was sound, and MacLean feels that the year playing college hockey and for his country fast-tracked his hockey abilities, allowing him to excel once he stepped into the NHL on a full-time basis.

After appearing in but one game for the Blues, Paul MacLean was traded to the Winnipeg Jets in 1981. While playing regularly in Manitoba, the big winger blossomed on a line with Dale Hawerchuk. In his rookie season (1981-82), he scored 36 goals. In fact, in his seven seasons with the Jets, MacLean enjoyed three 30-goal seasons and three 40-goal campaigns.

During the 1984-85 season, he went on a tear and finished the season with a career-best 41 goals and 60 assists for 101 points. Winnipeg traded MacLean to Detroit for much-traveled Brent Ashton in 1988, and that season he added another 30-goal season to his resume."

Spitfire11
05-07-2007, 01:08 PM
Smith was a good pick at where he was taken. I certainly wouldn't want him in my top 4 but he does pair well with Leetch.

I looked at taking him in both minor league drafts after seeing his stats. I asked my mom about him since she grew up a die-hard Bruins fan in Cambrigde,Mass during the 60's and early 70's. She said insisted he was ok, not great, along with Vadnais and another undrafted Bruins D, and that Ted Green was the best Bruins defenseman after Orr.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 01:34 PM
Smith was a good pick at where he was taken. I certainly wouldn't want him in my top 4 but he does pair well with Leetch.

I looked at taking him in both minor league drafts after seeing his stats. I asked my mom about him since she grew up a die-hard Bruins fan in Cambrigde,Mass during the 60's and early 70's. She said insisted he was ok, not great, along with Vadnais and another undrafted Bruins D, and that Ted Green was the best Bruins defenseman after Orr.

*nod* well no insult intended to your mom, but I'll take Team Canada's opinion (in inviting him to join the 72 team) over hers ;)

John Flyers Fan
05-07-2007, 01:54 PM
Bottom line:

Dallas Smith's comb over >>>>>> Paul MacLean's 'stache

LapierreSports
05-07-2007, 02:42 PM
Should probably ride VICIOUS PINE in the playoffs though :p:

Haha...well said !

Spitfire11
05-07-2007, 04:19 PM
*nod* well no insult intended to your mom, but I'll take Team Canada's opinion (in inviting him to join the 72 team) over hers ;)

Well if that's the standard, then there are still quite a few 'great' defensemen left ;)

Pwnasaurus
05-07-2007, 04:53 PM
Sorry for any delays guys I had to work today. The Kansas City Scouts are pleased to round out their defensive corps with D - George McNamara

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 04:57 PM
Well if that's the standard, then there are still quite a few 'great' defensemen left ;)
actually, only one defenseman who played in the Summit Series rivalry between the Soviets and Canada remains undrafted.

As for the strategy of shawnmullin and I, yeah we would have liked to have gotten Rod Langway, but once such superstars were gone we felt that our team strategy would be to add some of the several underappreciated-at-Dave's defensive defensemen around our two Conn Smythe blueliners and our planned two-way forwards (as Bowman would insist on anyways, we just made it easier on him) who'll backcheck with speed and determination. When the time comes, we hope our team will be judged based on 5-man units (Bowman's infamous wing-lock might at times apply) and three balanced lines harder to defend against (one superduper line doesn't fit with bowman philosophy or our strategy, though we think we'll have a few great lines),

Anyways... when I looked at #66's pick I thought for a moment it was Ron MacLean. :biglaugh: (I remember now that MacLean sure had wheels)

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 05:25 PM
You know considering that (thought it was Ron) it'd almost be fun for us at the end to draft a broadcast team too ;) Clearly your victories and defeate would NOT be determined by said broadcast team. It'd just be fun.

Foster Hewitt calling a game with Pierre for example.

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 05:35 PM
You know considering that (thought it was Ron) it'd almost be fun for us at the end to draft a broadcast team too ;) Clearly your victories and defeate would NOT be determined by said broadcast team. It'd just be fun.

Foster Hewitt calling a game with Pierre for example.
I select shawnmullin as the play-by-play guy for the Trail Smoke Eaters. Sometimes art does imitate life.

John Flyers Fan
05-07-2007, 05:40 PM
Another quick pick with comments to follow: LW Andrey Khomutov

EagleBelfour
05-07-2007, 05:42 PM
I'm definitely taking Pierre Houde and Yvon Pednault! I'm the biggest fan of: ''Ma parole Yvon!"

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 05:42 PM
I have pappyline's pick. The Barrie Flyers are pleased to select G Eddie Johnston.

kruezer
05-07-2007, 06:06 PM
Seattle is proud to add some toughness and skill, in RW Gary Dornhoefer.

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 06:09 PM
Seattle is proud to add some toughness and skill, in RW Gary Dornhoefer.
Solid, solid pick. I gave Dornhoefer a very long look for my fourth line RW spot. I was even starting to enter his name when, at the last second, I decided to go with Paiement instead. Decided that both guys would give my team lots of toughness, but Paiement would give us a little more speed and significantly more offence. And in our organization, you have to be able to put up points if you're a forward.

arrbez
05-07-2007, 06:14 PM
You know considering that (thought it was Ron) it'd almost be fun for us at the end to draft a broadcast team too ;) Clearly your victories and defeate would NOT be determined by said broadcast team. It'd just be fun.

Foster Hewitt calling a game with Pierre for example.

I select Bob Cole and Pierre McGuire as my play-by-play team, and they will bring unrivalled excitement to Aurora Tigers games.

"Who just scored? Why did the whistle blow? Which team is getting the penalty?"

"Who cares, Bob. Did you see the dump-in that guy just made? Talk about a big-time play. He identified the centre line, and WHAMMO!, sends a perfect diagonal dump into the corner. This guy brings it game in and game out. His minor peewee coach Larry Smith back in Coldwater, Ontario should take a bow. This guy's a monster, his effort quotient is through the roof..."

Pwnasaurus
05-07-2007, 06:17 PM
LOL McGuire standing in the box doing commentary during the game is the most unintentionally funny thing in hockey since the shootout.

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 06:24 PM
The Las Vegas Thunder snap up two of the best:

Dave Hodge got fired from CBC for criticizing on air (in disgust) the network's decision to cut away from an ongoing overtime game to "other programming"... I was watching and instead of getting angry I nodded and said 'yeah, you show 'em!" as he was expressing our feelings, diffusing our frustration. Liked Hodge before that, loved him ever since.

And John Davidson was great every time. Sure miss him from Satellite Hotstove.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-07-2007, 06:33 PM
The Vancouver Canucks snap up their own Jim Robson quickly and while he would at first be resentful of a colour commentator the Canucks select Don Cherry and at the very least uncover the secrets of the opposition!

PS. VanIslander those are two crap picks, I mean Dave Hodge was never that good and he was pretty well past his prime when his escapades were put on the air. Plus was he really ever a play by play guy? I always thought he was a colour commentator, once again a dreadful pick on your part! ;)

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 06:38 PM
All right, so can I have mullin as my PBP guy? If not, then I hire Chris Cuthbert to handle our play-by-play duties. Quite possibly the best "big game" commentator in the sport today.

As for my colour man, I select: me. Two years of colour commentary experience with local cable with the local Junior A team.

kruezer
05-07-2007, 06:42 PM
Solid, solid pick. I gave Dornhoefer a very long look for my fourth line RW spot. I was even starting to enter his name when, at the last second, I decided to go with Paiement instead. Decided that both guys would give my team lots of toughness, but Paiement would give us a little more speed and significantly more offence. And in our organization, you have to be able to put up points if you're a forward.
I'm glad to get Dornhoefer as well, I can't decide whether to roll with him or Steen on the third line, it will probably depend on the team I am facing, if I have to play against Nalyd's team I will likely play both and sit Williams to avoid that PP crew he's got, but it'll be a tough call.

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 06:43 PM
I hire Chris Cuthbert to handle our play-by-play duties. Quite possibly the best "big game" commentator in the sport today.
One of the best CFL broadcasters I've ever heard: he knows his football.

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 07:04 PM
One of the best CFL broadcasters I've ever heard: he knows his football.
Agreed. Always enjoyed his work over the others that the CBC would give us for the CFL, especially Don Williams, who I found to be rather, well, boring.

CBC made a big mistake when they let Cuthbert go. After Ron MacLean, he might have been their most versatile, well-rounded broadcaster for CBC Sports.

kruezer
05-07-2007, 07:06 PM
Agreed. Always enjoyed his work over the others that the CBC would give us for the CFL, especially Don Williams, who I found to be rather, well, boring.

CBC made a big mistake when they let Cuthbert go. After Ron MacLean, he might have been their most versatile, well-rounded broadcaster for CBC Sports.
Truer words have never been spoken, picking up Cuthbert was a boon for TSN.

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 07:10 PM
Truer words have never been spoken, picking up Cuthbert was a boon for TSN.
The other guy whose work I enjoy: Paul Romaniuk. A bit of a cheerleader for Hockey Canada, but I won't complain about that. Some of my fondest hockey memories are Romaniuk's calls for Canadian international hockey victories, especially the "Drive for Five" in the mid-1990s and the 1994 "It Is Over" call when Canada won the World Championship in 1994. (He also used that "It Is Over" line when Oshawa beat Kitchener in a marathon OT game in the final of the 1990 Memorial Cup).

vancityluongo
05-07-2007, 07:26 PM
I'll take the Canucks playoff duo, good ole Jimmy Hughson, and of course, the always entertaining, (take your pick on the definition ;) ) Harry Neale.

"What a save by the Winnipeg goalie, Luongo. Or is that Esposito?"
"Actually Harry, that's Kirk McLean."

Evil Speaker
05-07-2007, 07:43 PM
I'll take the Dalai Lama and Krusty The Clown

Pwnasaurus
05-07-2007, 07:46 PM
I didn't realize how much Pierre Pilote looks like Norm McDonald.

And I'll take the "Boom goes the dynamite" kid of youtube fame for my play by play guy and Vince Van Patten as my color commentator

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 07:55 PM
I'll take the Dalai Lama and Krusty The Clown
Congrats. I was wondering when Roger Neilson and Al Strachan were gonna go. ;)

John Flyers Fan
05-07-2007, 08:08 PM
I'll take Dan Kelly, with tjust the slightest of nods over Gene Hart. For my color guy ... give me Howie Meeker .... I attended his hockey camps from age 8-14. Tremendous.

raleh
05-07-2007, 08:33 PM
Montreal selects as our 13th forward a speedy centre who will work well as an insurance guy on any of our bottom three lines. A little on the small side, and probably a bit of a sentimental pick, but we really wanted him as our 13th forward. Montreal selects C Cliff Ronning.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 08:38 PM
I select shawnmullin as the play-by-play guy for the Trail Smoke Eaters. Sometimes art does imitate life.

That's an AWFUL choice ;)

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 08:39 PM
Seattle is proud to add some toughness and skill, in RW Gary Dornhoefer.

I had him last minor league draft and felt at the time he was overlooked and a steal.

John Flyers Fan
05-07-2007, 08:39 PM
Now for some details on my previous two picks - Andrey Khomutov & Vyacheslav Bykov

Vyacheslav Bykov

Played for Traktor Chelyabinsk from 1979-80 to 1982-83 He then moved onto the Soviet Red Army team and played with them through the 89-90 season. He then played the next 8 seasons for HC Fribourg-Gottéron in the German league, before finishing up his final two seasons in Switzerland

World Championships Gold (83, 86, 88, 89 and 93)
Olympic Gold (88, 92)

Bykov finished as the 5th overall scorer in the 87 Canada Cup with 9 points in 9 games.

http://www.chidlovski.net/1954/54_player_info.asp?p_id=b023


Andrei Khomutov

Played both left and right win, on bykov's line for the better part of 15 years. Their line of Komutov - Bykov - Kamensy absolutely gave Canada fits during the 1987 Canada Cup

Khomutov played on the Soviet Red Army team from 1979-90 and then played with HC Fribourg-Gottéron in the German league from 1990-98.

1981 Canada Cup
1984, 88, 92 Olympic Gold Medals
World Championship Gold 1981, 82, 83, 86, 89, 93
Soviet League MVP in 1990
Soviet League leading goal score in 1988


The two will play with fellow countrymen Sergei Makarov to form one of the more dynamic and skilled lines in the ATD League

Some highlights:

1987 Canada Cup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XL9ELizzP0&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcg3Ns2kgVg&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rg_-JwlN-o&mode=related&search=


Bykov - Khomutov playing for HC Fribourg-Gottéron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70po2VpKJwI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTmbUNhv1z0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6QN5IS2amQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaoUH7ac_t0

Randezvous 87

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpzUDpsW5SM

EagleBelfour
05-07-2007, 08:41 PM
With the 596th selection in this draft, the Detroit Falcons are proud to select, as our extra defenseman, a swift skater with great offensive skills, who was described as: ‘‘a firebrand hurtling down the ice or like a shell just fired from a big British gun.’’ A two time Stanley Cup winner: D/W George ‘‘Goldie’’ Prodgers

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=14049

His 1920-21 season with the Hamilton Tigers is one of the most impressive offensive season ever made by a defenseman.

EDIT: I don't have any info about his heights/weights/jersey/which side he shoots. Any info would be GREATLY appreciated.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 08:44 PM
All right, so can I have mullin as my PBP guy? If not, then I hire Chris Cuthbert to handle our play-by-play duties. Quite possibly the best "big game" commentator in the sport today.

As for my colour man, I select: me. Two years of colour commentary experience with local cable with the local Junior A team.

I see you've corrected your mistake! :(

cmon, the Mullin/GBC duo would set Trail on fire... that or the smelter.

Incidently I whole heartedly object to the choice of Dave Hodge as our play by play guy. He can be the third man in a 3-man booth if Van wants. I want Mike Lang damnit. It's Vegas, he fits Vegas peeerfectly.

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE shootsandscores

John Flyers Fan
05-07-2007, 08:44 PM
I'm glad to get Dornhoefer as well, I can't decide whether to roll with him or Steen on the third line, it will probably depend on the team I am facing, if I have to play against Nalyd's team I will likely play both and sit Williams to avoid that PP crew he's got, but it'll be a tough call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxRM50ZEJ0

Dorny's goal at the 1:15 mark in OT is memoralized outside the Spectrum.

shawnmullin
05-07-2007, 08:45 PM
Truer words have never been spoken, picking up Cuthbert was a boon for TSN.

Well it wasn't like they had a hard choice to make... great broadcaster who does two games you cover extensively is fired for no reason. Hmm, what shall I do.

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 08:45 PM
The Trail Smoke Eaters are pleased to make a pick that, from our perspective, is a no-brainer. We believe he will be an excellent No. 7 defenceman, a good combination of offensive and defensive ability, and physical play. He played the best hockey of his career in the 1972 Summit Series, and we know he'll be a great No. 7 because he admirably filled that role for us in the last draft:

D Gary Bergman

Career highlights:

*Played some of the best hockey of his career to help Canada win the 1972 Summit Series.
*Inducted into the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame in 2005.
*Co-winner of the 1973 Charlie Conacher Humanitarian Award.
*A solid two-way defenceman who could scored 35 points or more five times. Also tallied over 1,200 PIMs in 800-game career.

Leaf Lander
05-07-2007, 09:42 PM
I select leafs play by play man Joe Bowens and for color Harry Neal!

Murphy
05-07-2007, 09:46 PM
I'll take the NBC guy, Mike Komisarek.

Evil Speaker
05-07-2007, 09:57 PM
EDIT: I don't have any info about his heights/weights/jersey/which side he shoots. Any info would be GREATLY appreciated.

5'10-180, shoots right

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 09:59 PM
Montreal selects as our 13th forward a speedy centre who will work well as an insurance guy on any of our bottom three lines. A little on the small side, and probably a bit of a sentimental pick, but we really wanted him as our 13th forward. Montreal selects C Cliff Ronning.
Insurance for the 2nd, 3rd,4th lines?... He's 1st line or BENCH. (imo, what do others think?)

Love Ronning,:yo: I really do, and think he's an EXCELLENT 13th forward :handclap: as the guy to direct the powerplay, play on offensive possessions, stimulate a come-from-behind drive. But Cliff SERIOUSLY is a liability defensively. I have seen him play live in Vancouver a lot of times and one thing you may not realize if you watch him on t.v. usually is that he cycles without the puck at centre ice waiting for his teammates to get a turnover and send the play the other way, and when that happens, he initiates great 2-on-1 breaks (he makes Pavel Bure and Brett Hull look like Selke candidates). A Ronning on the ice is a tale of two cities: one is the boost he provides offensively, AS IF his team is on the powerplay with his passing skills, the other is the drain he provides defensively, as if his team is at a man-disadvantage playing as if 4-on-5 when the opposition has the puck.

Put Ronning on the top scoring line as a replacement or else make him a pp specialist. IMO.

He automatically adds legitimacy to a team's ability to generate a comeback as well as puts extra strain on other skaters to play more responsibly defensively.

EagleBelfour
05-07-2007, 10:00 PM
5'10-180, shoots right

Thanks a lot! Where have you found that! I looked all over the internet.

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 10:03 PM
I whole heartedly object to the choice of Dave Hodge as our play by play guy. He can be the third man in a 3-man booth if Van wants. I want Mike Lang damnit. It's Vegas, he fits Vegas peeerfectly.
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE shootsandscores
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God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 10:06 PM
Insurance for the 2nd, 3rd,4th lines?... He's 1st line or BENCH. (imo, what do others think?)

Love Ronning,:yo: I really do, and think he's an EXCELLENT 13th forward :handclap: as the guy to direct the powerplay, play on offensive possessions, stimulate a come-from-behind drive. But Cliff SERIOUSLY is a liability defensively. I have seen him play live in Vancouver a lot of times and one thing you may not realize if you watch him on t.v. usually is that he cycles without the puck at centre ice waiting for his teammates to get a turnover and send the play the other way, and when that happens, he initiates great 2-on-1 breaks (he makes Pavel Bure and Brett Hull look like Selke candidates). A Ronning on the ice is a tale of two cities: one is the boost he provides offensively, AS IF his team is on the powerplay with his passing skills, the other is the drain he provides defensively, as if his team is at a man-disadvantage playing as if 4-on-5 when the opposition has the puck.

Put Ronning on the top scoring line as a replacement or else make him a pp specialist. IMO.

He automatically adds legitimacy to a team's ability to generate a comeback as well as puts extra strain on other skaters to play more responsibly defensively.
I'm a big Cliff Ronning fan, too, and if we do a minor league draft, he's a guy I would look at for a top-two line centre role. Vancouver's Life Line with Linden and G. Courtnall might be my favourite of all-time. Great game, solid playmaker, loved the game and likely enjoyed playing for Vancouver more than anyone else in franchise history.

But a third or fourth line role? Not in Trail. Not with the direction we have taken with the team. I wouldn't say he was a liability defensively, but he wasn't a real factor defensively, which takes him out of third line consideration, and while he wasn't soft, he wasn't a physical player, either, which takes him out of fourth line consideration. So he has to play on our first two lines, or he's not going to play at all.

If your fourth line is a hodge podge line, then I could see it, but you're playing with fire if you don't have a direction for your fourth line.

Evil Speaker
05-07-2007, 10:06 PM
Thanks a lot! Where have you found that! I looked all over the internet.

https://secure.cstek.com:/idb/hpics/media/web/image/nhl/tsp/player/209103.jpg

http://www.bballsports3.com/hockeydb.exe

raleh
05-07-2007, 10:08 PM
I'm a big Cliff Ronning fan, too, and if we do a minor league draft, he's a guy I would look at for a top-two line centre role. Vancouver's Life Line with Linden and G. Courtnall might be my favourite of all-time. Great game, solid playmaker, loved the game and likely enjoyed playing for Vancouver more than anyone else in franchise history.

But a third or fourth line role? Not in Trail. Not with the direction we have taken with the team. I wouldn't say he was a liability defensively, but he wasn't a real factor defensively, which takes him out of third line consideration, and while he wasn't soft, he wasn't a physical player, either, which takes him out of fourth line consideration. So he has to play on our first two lines, or he's not going to play at all.

If your fourth line is a hodge podge line, then I could see it, but you're playing with fire if you don't have a direction for your fourth line.

Well then consider him a replacement for Turgeon if need be.

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 10:13 PM
I wouldn't say he was a liability defensively, but he wasn't a real factor defensively
He just doesn't backcheck, or at least didn't for the three years I had tickets at Pacific Coliseum.

He and Sergio Momesso had some moments together as well.

That early to mid 90s Canucks team didn't know how to protect a lead but they sure knew how to come from behind! They were the opposite of the New Jersey Devils: the Canucks were more likely to win a game if the opposition scored first. Funny, but true.

Leaf Lander
05-07-2007, 10:28 PM
did murphy leave a list?

Evil Sather
05-07-2007, 10:37 PM
Thoughts on the draft overall:

People aren't helping their causes taking random HHOF guys and not knowing their vitals or anything they might have contributed other than team accolades (not directed at anyone in particular).

Several really polarizing teams out there: Las Vegas, Vancouver, Trail (you can have your complaints about Bure but good luck with VK-MIA aka Kantplaysky on your second line. Talk about guys you would run over in a heartbeat). Aurora might be its own category here. St. Louis defies description.

Other teams I look at and I go "playoff team" but I'm not totally in love with and don't see deep runs for: Boston, Miami, Nanaimo, Toronto, Seattle

Other teams might be terrors in the playoffs... but they have to GET there: Les A's, Edmonton, Portland, Maroons

Some seem to have a great mix but is it too much of a mix: Detroit, other Detroit, Philly especially, Adler, New Jersey

Others look like "wow, well done" but is that extra ingredient there: Kansas City, Buffalo, Saskatoon

Still others I wonder if it'll be enough: Siberia, Winnipeg, Barrie, Wanderers.

Won't classify my team, they're in their own little world :)

BM67
05-07-2007, 10:40 PM
The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select a hard working C/RW who was the Rangers leader in goals and points in both the 80 & 81 playoffs

Ron Duguay (http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1977/77013.html)

From the moment he took the ice for his first Rangers game in October 1977, right wing Ron Duguay was a player fans couldn't help but notice.

Duguay's striking good looks and flowing brown hair weren't the only things that made him so popular. Rather, it was his intense and determined style of play, rooted in his love of old-time hockey, that drew most of the cheers at Madison Square Garden.

Selected with the Rangers' second of two first-round picks in the 1977 NHL Amateur Draft, Duguay entered the NHL after a stellar four-year junior career with his hometown Sudbury Wolves. He quickly made an impression at the NHL level, too, scoring 20 goals as a rookie and boosting his total to 27 and 28 in the next two seasons.

After a subpar, injury-plagued season in 1980-81, Duguay was fortunate to be named to Team Canada for the 1981 Canada Cup tournament. That international experience seemed to boost his confidence, and the following year he fired home a career-high 40 goals and made the 1982 NHL All-Star Game. - Rangers All-time Roster (http://www.newyorkrangers.com/tradition/ATR/bio.asp?PlayerID=295)

With his long flowing hair and natural good looks, Duguay was a smash hit with the young females on Broadway and the men liked him because he was an excellent hockey player. In his rookie season with the Rangers, Duguay netted 20 goals and assisted on 20 others in the 1977-78 season. Just one year later, the team, led by the likes of 37-yeaer-old Phil Esposito, advanced to the Stanley Cup finals where they lost in five games to the powerhouse Montreal Canadiens.

By now Duguay was firmly entrenched as a fan favourite in New York. The love affair lasted six years, and although Duguay had a 40-goal season in 1981-82, the team was never able to reach the heights achieved during that 1979 run to the Cup finals. - Legends of Hockey Bio (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=10401)

"Doogie might be a little hard to take if it weren't for one thing. On the ice, he delivers the goods. Nobody works harder. He's no fancy dan. He gets down there and sweats." - Unnamed Teammate, NHL Pro Hockey '82-'83

"Ron Duguay was tall, good-looking, soft-spoken, and tried hard on the ice. Ronnie liked the game too much to get in trouble with booze and drugs. Ronnie is sharp as a tack, and today is straight as an arrow and married to model Kim Alexis, a wonderful woman." - Phil Esposito

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 10:54 PM
Duguay ! I haven't thought of him in years.

Funny to think of him now, as "Duguay" is the exact pronunciation of the Korean expression for "two of them" when ordering something ('hanna'=one of them, 'doogay'=two of them, 'segay'=three of them).

Now I'll think of him every time I order sushi rolls: "Duguay!" :)

Murphy
05-07-2007, 10:54 PM
The Edmonton Oilers select: Tom Lysiak

EagleBelfour
05-07-2007, 10:58 PM
Won't classify my team, they're in their own little world :)

For me, you definitely go into the category of teams they have playoffs written all over their team, but wonder if they will do any good in them. Crosby on the 2nd lin is killing me, but you do have an awesome goaltender :P

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 10:59 PM
HankyFourFingers was around not long ago...

anguscertified
05-07-2007, 11:02 PM
HankyFourFingers was around not long ago...

yup, just finalizing my pick thanks for the PM to remind me.

blah.

Leaf Lander
05-07-2007, 11:08 PM
just told shawnmullin on msn that he is up

arrbez
05-07-2007, 11:09 PM
Aurora might be its own category here.

A compliment of the highest order :D

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 11:10 PM
Thoughts on the draft overall:

People aren't helping their causes taking random HHOF guys and not knowing their vitals or anything they might have contributed other than team accolades (not directed at anyone in particular).

Several really polarizing teams out there: Las Vegas, Vancouver, Trail (you can have your complaints about Bure but good luck with VK-MIA aka Kantplaysky on your second line. Talk about guys you would run over in a heartbeat). Aurora might be its own category here. St. Louis defies description.

Other teams I look at and I go "playoff team" but I'm not totally in love with and don't see deep runs for: Boston, Miami, Nanaimo, Toronto, Seattle

Other teams might be terrors in the playoffs... but they have to GET there: Les A's, Edmonton, Portland, Maroons

Some seem to have a great mix but is it too much of a mix: Detroit, other Detroit, Philly especially, Adler, New Jersey

Others look like "wow, well done" but is that extra ingredient there: Kansas City, Buffalo, Saskatoon

Still others I wonder if it'll be enough: Siberia, Winnipeg, Barrie, Wanderers.

Won't classify my team, they're in their own little world :)
I think you underrate Kamensky. From about 87 to 91, he was likely one of the top two or three LWs in the world. He was excellent in the playoffs for Colorado in 1996 and 1997. Don't just judge him based on his failure in New York.

At the end of the day, playoffs are about character and versatility. When I look at our team, we're loaded with both attributes. We have 67 Stanley Cup rings on our roster, and plenty of players who sported a captain's C during their careers. Guys like H. Richard, Geoffrion and Keats are well-rounded players for our top two lines. Our bottom two lines have guys who will fill defensive and physical roles well, but they can score, too.

Our defence isn't the powerhouse that it was in our first draft (ah, for the days when I could get Sylvio Mantha as my No. 7 defenceman), but I think our defence is as good as any in the draft. They're also capable of filling multiple roles, they can all move the puck, and they're all reliable defensively. And we have size that we didn't have in our first two drafts.

I haven't had a good chance yet to sit down and evaluate the other teams. That'll come after the draft is complete.

kruezer
05-07-2007, 11:15 PM
I don't know what to think of your team GBC, I like your D, I do worry about your offensive production, Keats was a fantastic pick though, your games would have to be close and I don't know that Fuhr will be used to low scoring grind-it out games where he can't just shake off his errors and feel that his team can score at anytime.

anguscertified
05-07-2007, 11:23 PM
sorry about the wait.

I complete my third scoring line:

RW - Rick Kehoe

Pwnasaurus
05-07-2007, 11:23 PM
\Others look like "wow, well done" but is that extra ingredient there: Kansas City, Buffalo, Saskatoon



Thanks I'm pretty happy with the way my team turned out. A defined role for each line, especially the 2 way 3rd line and antagonizing or is that agonizing 4th line that has some offensive punch to it as well. I was also pleased I was able to get 3 LH, 3 RH d-men on my backline that are a good mix of 2 way, off and def d-men and IMO the best goalie to ever lace em up. Looking forward to the matchups.

VanIslander
05-07-2007, 11:23 PM
The Thunder select as the right wing finisher to play on the Kharlamov-Larionov line: Vladimir Vikulov. He was the guy who scored the GWGs in games 4 and 5 of the 1972 Summit Series in Moscow on Kharlamov's line. In Canada Cup '76 he scored 4 goals and 7 points in 4 games. Twice in his career he has been on a line with Kharlamov and they clicked, so should again. Vikulov has 283 goals in 520 Soviet league games, 109 goals in 190 international games.

Vladimir Vikulov was an extremely skillful and creative forward with slick stick handling, impressive 1-on-1 techniques, rapid and accurate shots on goal and well-catered assists on goals scored by his partners. Many famous players enjoyed the opportunity to play in one line with Vikulov considered one of the best Soviet playmakers in the 1960's and 1970's. The list of his career linemates included such world class individuals as Anatoly Firsov and Victor Polupanov, Valery Kharlamov and Alexander Maltsev, Boris Alexandrov and Victor Zhluktov. Overall, Vikulov was arguably one of the classiest Soviet forwards.
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1972/yroster/ru18.htm

USSR Gold (12): 1964-1966, 1968, 1970-1973, 1975, 1977-1979
WC Gold: 1966-1971, 1975
Olympics Gold: 1968, 1972
National Awards:
USSR All Stars 1970-1972
Scoring Leader (G) 1972
Merited Sports Master (USSR ZMS) 1967
International Awards:
IIHF All Stars 1971, 1972

http://akter.kulichki.net/sport/hockey/vikulov.jpg

was on a couple of the greatest Soviet lines (mentioned here on four different "great" Soviet lines, two of them with Thunder's Kharlamov):

5. Valery Kharlamov-Anatoly Firsov-Vladimir Vikulov
Team USSR and CSKA
Early 1970s

They didn't play very long together. One of the top offensive lines of the late 1960s, Firsov-Polupanov-Vikulov lost its center. Legendary Tarasov tried various players to replace Polupanov. Finally, he added Kharlamov to the famous linemates. "We didn't have to explain much to Valery," remembered Firsov. "It just clicked." Born out of Tarasov's experiments and attempts to extend hockey career of aging Red Army stars, the line is mostly remembered for its performance at the '72 Olympics. With Tarasov's retirement, Firsov left Team USSR and the Kharlamov-Maltsev-Vikulov line at the '72 Summit Series was a quick fixer-upper for a promising line.

6. Boris Alexandrov-Victor Zhluktov-Vladimir Vikulov
Team USSR and CSKA
Mid 1970s

They were the second line with the Red Army club and, briefly, with Team USSR in the 1970s. Small and speedy, Alexandrov had a promising scoring touch. Never mind his small size - no giant defenseman was an authority to Alexandrov when he was free-wheeling to the net. Vikulov had great soft hands and incredible playmaking talent. Zhluktov was not a magnificent player but served as a very solid and reliable backbone of the line.
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1974/liners/index.htm

The Canadians arrived in Moscow one game down on their opponents. After the first game at the Luzhniki Sports Palace, the gap doubled. A mistake by Clarke in the final minutes of the game cost the Canadians a tie. He was trying to control the puck near the boards and shot a pass to his partner, Rod Seiling. But Valeri Kharlamov intercepted the pass and flipped the puck to Vladimir Vikulov, who beat Tony Esposito at the net.
http://www.flyersalumni.org/clarke.htm

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 11:27 PM
I don't know what to think of your team GBC, I like your D, I do worry about your offensive production, Keats was a fantastic pick though, your games would have to be close and I don't know that Fuhr will be used to low scoring grind-it out games where he can't just shake off his errors and feel that his team can score at anytime.
We've thought about that with Fuhr. The thing about Fuhr is he came up with the big saves when needed. I think he showed with St. Louis in 1996 and 1997 that he could succeed for a low-scoring team. I thought he should have been a Hart finalist in 1996.

We freely admit that we're not going to win a lot of 6-5 type games. We're going to need to win a lot of 3-2 games. We're confident that we will get an offensive boost from our defence. Red Kelly, Hap Day and even Gus Mortson will be activated in the offence, and we know what Rob Blake and Stefan Persson are capble of offensively. We have very good speed up front, and we should have a good transition game with our skating and puck movement.

Murphy
05-07-2007, 11:36 PM
Thoughts on the draft overall:

Other teams might be terrors in the playoffs... but they have to GET there: Les A's, Edmonton, Portland, Maroons

You can have the President's Cup

The Oil will be there, 14 former captains in the lineup will make it happen........:handclap:

anguscertified
05-07-2007, 11:40 PM
I really like my team as well, definitely my best entry of the three drafts. Great mix of size, speed, talent, and grit. Especially on the back-end. I also have who I consider to be the best goalie of all-time.

EagleBelfour
05-07-2007, 11:41 PM
I really like my team as well, definitely my best entry of the three drafts. Great mix of size, speed, talent, and grit. Especially on the back-end. I also have who I consider to be the best goalie of all-time.

Your biggest mistake was to take Dominik Hasek instead of Terry Sawchuk. I think the top-3 of Plante, Sawchuk and Roy are alone in their group.

John Flyers Fan
05-07-2007, 11:45 PM
One thing I know is that I won't be losing any games 2-1. With a great transition game, and incredibly deep offense, putting the puck in the net is not going to be an issue.

arrbez
05-07-2007, 11:47 PM
Your biggest mistake was to take Dominik Hasek instead of Terry Sawchuk. I think the top-3 of Plante, Sawchuk and Roy are alone in their group.

I don't think you can fault someone for taking Hasek ahead of any goaltender. It's all so subjective, but Hasek was ridiculously dominant. Having seen both play quite a bit, I think he was better than Roy. Hasek was the only opposing goalie I ever was really scared of.

anguscertified
05-07-2007, 11:50 PM
Your biggest mistake was to take Dominik Hasek instead of Terry Sawchuk. I think the top-3 of Plante, Sawchuk and Roy are alone in their group.

I think Hasek is the best goalie in the history of the game, so I wouldn't call that a mistake. He was flat out unbeatable and at a higher level than any goalie has hit. Again, just my opinion.

John Flyers Fan
05-07-2007, 11:50 PM
Your biggest mistake was to take Dominik Hasek instead of Terry Sawchuk. I think the top-3 of Plante, Sawchuk and Roy are alone in their group.

I disagree with that. You can quite certainly make a case for Hasek, whose best was clearly better than Roy's best.

Also Marty Brodeur says hello ....

God Bless Canada
05-07-2007, 11:52 PM
I disagree with that. You can quite certainly make a case for Hasek, whose best was clearly better than Roy's best.

Also Marty Brodeur says hello ....
From an NHL perspective, I disagree. I don't think Hasek ever played as well as Roy did in the 1993 playoffs. You can cite awards and all-star teams all you want, the bottom line is that entering a playoff, who would you rather have? Roy. And Roy was a better leader, too.

Leaf Lander
05-07-2007, 11:53 PM
i am so close to picking yet so so far away

anguscertified
05-08-2007, 12:00 AM
From an NHL perspective, I disagree. I don't think Hasek ever played as well as Roy did in the 1993 playoffs. You can cite awards and all-star teams all you want, the bottom line is that entering a playoff, who would you rather have? Roy. And Roy was a better leader, too.

Hasek in 1999 was the most dominant I have ever seen one player be.

John Flyers Fan
05-08-2007, 12:01 AM
From an NHL perspective, I disagree. I don't think Hasek ever played as well as Roy did in the 1993 playoffs. You can cite awards and all-star teams all you want, the bottom line is that entering a playoff, who would you rather have? Roy. And Roy was a better leader, too.

With Hasek you're never quite sure what you're going to get, he's a bit goofy, I'll readily admit that, but when his head is in the game, he played a different level than Roy.

When people bring up Roy they fail to mention some of his less than spectacular playoffs .. 87, 88, 90, 91, 98

Hasek bested Roy in 2002 ... as well as the 98 Olympics.

I wouldn't list either one as a great leader .... both had the tendance to be selfish whiners.

Murphy
05-08-2007, 12:02 AM
Hmmmmmm, must be hype your team time.....

I don't even know where to start,

Three Hart Trophy winners on the first line that might just rather hurt you than score on you. The most points in a single game record holder. The most goals in a single game record holder by a defensman. Three freakin Sutters. The most punishing open ice hitter on the blueline ever. The most complete checker ever and they've all come together to kick some serious butt.........

The only way I could love my team more was if I could have snagged Lanny. Sittler, Brian Sutter, Stevens and Jason Smith were all favourite players of mine at one time or the other, very pleased to have been able to select them.

Murphy
05-08-2007, 12:07 AM
From an NHL perspective, I disagree. I don't think Hasek ever played as well as Roy did in the 1993 playoffs. You can cite awards and all-star teams all you want, the bottom line is that entering a playoff, who would you rather have? Roy. And Roy was a better leader, too.


Ewwww, Roy a leader? The guy was so arrogant he thought he could handle the puck better then his own defensemen.

He was the leagues biggest game 7 choker ever seen as well.......

Sawchuk hunched over so far his chin touched his knees, ready to pounce with his incredible reflexes. That was the games best ever.

God Bless Canada
05-08-2007, 12:07 AM
With Hasek you're never quite sure what you're going to get, he's a bit goofy, I'll readily admit that, but when his head is in the game, he played a different level than Roy.

When people bring up Roy they fail to mention some of his less than spectacular playoffs .. 87, 88, 90, 91, 98

Hasek bested Roy in 2002 ... as well as the 98 Olympics.

I wouldn't list either one as a great leader .... both had the tendance to be selfish whiners.
Your first paragraph summed up so much of why I'd rather have Roy: reliability. You knew what you were going to get from Roy. The same can't be said for Hasek.

When was Roy ever a distraction? About a week during the 1995-96 season when he demanded a trade. When was Hasek a distraction? There was the 1997 playoffs, there was the whole 2003-04 season, and who could ever forget last year's Kindergarten show in Ottawa?

One of Roy's teammates in Colorado referred to Roy as the best leader he has ever seen. Of course, there's that teammate hyperbole kicking in, but if a goalie could wear a letter, Roy definitely would have had one.

Zetterberg4Captain*
05-08-2007, 12:33 AM
For are third goalie Saskatoon is proud to select hall of famer Percy Lesueur.

Zetterberg4Captain*
05-08-2007, 12:39 AM
Your first paragraph summed up so much of why I'd rather have Roy: reliability. You knew what you were going to get from Roy. The same can't be said for Hasek.

When was Roy ever a distraction? About a week during the 1995-96 season when he demanded a trade. When was Hasek a distraction? There was the 1997 playoffs, there was the whole 2003-04 season, and who could ever forget last year's Kindergarten show in Ottawa?

One of Roy's teammates in Colorado referred to Roy as the best leader he has ever seen. Of course, there's that teammate hyperbole kicking in, but if a goalie could wear a letter, Roy definitely would have had one.

Hasek with another play-off shutout today and the games MVP in the clincher! He could possibly have another cup added to his resume (knock on wood) and you can definately not go wrong with either one. To tell you the truth if I was faced with the dilema of choosing one a coin flip would be best!

Spitfire11
05-08-2007, 12:47 AM
Roy won 4 Cups with 4 completely different teams in very different eras and was the MVP for 3 of those wins. I have Hasek and Roy at 1-2 with Roy at number 1. But if Hasek leads the Wings to the Cup this year, that will change :D

God Bless Canada
05-08-2007, 12:53 AM
Did LL PM a list? If he didn't, I'm assuming (there's that A-word again) it would be okay if the Speaker made his pick, as long as the Speaker picks a defenceman, since LL has his seven d-men.

Leaf Lander
05-08-2007, 12:59 AM
Did LL PM a list? If he didn't, I'm assuming (there's that A-word again) it would be okay if the Speaker made his pick, as long as the Speaker picks a defenceman, since LL has his seven d-men.

excuse me young man?

I don't think anyone has left as many pm lists as i have.

im usually at work when my pick is up

Leaf Lander
05-08-2007, 01:07 AM
:leafs select

Goalie Frank McCool

He was a talented enigmatic goalie who was so nervous before every game that he would vomit in between periods. He played just 70 nhl games but lead the Leafs to a stanley cup in 44 -45. He was also a WWII vet

Although the NHL was comprised of just six franchises during this era, it was quite a coup and testament to the Maple Leafs' scouting staff when Toronto enjoyed a third consecutive season with the CALDER TROPHY recipient dressed in blue and white. In 1944-45, Toronto was strapped for goaltending. Regular, Turk Broda, was serving in the military, and would not be available. The previous season, the Maple Leafs made do with 35-year old Benny Grant, who had not played in the NHL in 10 years, and Paul Bibeault, who was on loan from the Montreal Canadiens. But in 1944-45, Montreal refused to allow Bibeault to play a second season for the Leafs, and Grant retired. FRANK McCOOL was discovered playing senior hockey in Calgary Alberta, his hometown, and was signed as a free agent by the Toronto Maple Leafs. McCOOL, nicknamed "Ulcers" because of his nervous condition, joined the Leafs and had a season to dream of. Playing every minute of the 50-game season, McCOOL led Toronto to a third place finish, and led the league in shutouts with four.

FRANK McCOOL earned the honour as the NHL's top rookie, and was awarded the CALDER TROPHY, beating the Bruins' Ken Smith. Sipping milk between periods to settle his troubled stomach, McCOOL gave a clinic in goaltending during the playoffs. After defeating Montreal four games to two in the semi-final, including an opening game shutout, the Leafs faced Detroit in the Stanley Cup finals. FRANK McCOOL collected shutouts in the first three games of the series, and led the Leafs to a Stanley Cup championship.

The next season, McCOOL fought the Leafs over his contract, sitting out early season contests. He finally came to terms, played 22 games only to have Turk Broda return from the Second World War effort.

He retired after just two years because of severe ulcers. Prior to playing pro, McCool played two seasons for Gonzaga University. In 1945 McCool became the first goaltender in NHL history to record an assist of a goal.

God Bless Canada
05-08-2007, 01:07 AM
excuse me?

I don't think anyone has left as many pm lists as i have.

im usually at work when my pick is up
Actually, I think pappy would be the draft leader for PM'ed lists. I would say that more than half of his picks have been announced through the PM. #66 and EagleBelfour have seemingly gone through that route a lot, too.

I think I've had five or six picks announced via PM.

Leaf Lander
05-08-2007, 01:15 AM
Actually, I think pappy would be the draft leader for PM'ed lists. I would say that more than half of his picks have been announced through the PM. #66 and EagleBelfour have seemingly gone through that route a lot, too.

I think I've had five or six picks announced via PM.

so when do u apologize to me ?

Leaf Lander
05-08-2007, 01:16 AM
WHEN AND HOW TO APOLOGIZE
One key to getting along well with people is knowing when to say you're sorry. Sometimes little comments or actions can hurt or offend others. Heavy workloads and stress may keep us from seeing how our actions make others feel. The little things can add up. It doesn't take long for someone to hold a grudge and for grudges to grow into conflicts. In most cases, if someone is offended by something you do or say, it's much better to apologize right away. That solves the small problem and keeps it from getting bigger.
It's hard to apologize. Many of us are ashamed or have too much pride. Sometimes we just don't know how to do it. Here are some tips that may make it easier to say you're sorry.


Take responsibility. The first step in apologizing is to admit to yourself that you have offended someone. You may know this right away, or the other person's reaction may let you know you have done something hurtful. But you must admit you have done wrong and accept responsibility for your actions.

Explain. It's important to let the person you hurt know that you didn't mean to do harm. At the same time, you must show that you take your mistake seriously. Recognize that your actions caused a problem for the other person.

Show your regret. The other person needs to see that you have suffered, too. Come right out and say you are sorry or ashamed. I felt bad the minute I told your secret. I'm ashamed of myself.

Repair the damage. To be complete, an apology must correct the injury. If you damaged someone's property, offer to fix it. If the damage isn't so obvious, ask What can I do to make it up to you? There may be nothing concrete you can do, but the offer must be sincere. I'll try to keep my mouth shut in the future. Meantime, let me buy you a cup of coffee. Another way to repair the damage is to send a note or a small gift.

Use good timing. Apologize right away for little things. For example, if you bump into someone, say you're sorry right away. Don't wait until the next day to apologize. However, if you have done something more serious, like insult a friend, your apology should be more thoughtful. A quick apology might seem phony. Take the time to sit down, look the person in the eye, and apologize honestly.

It's not about who "won" or who "lost." It's about keeping a strong friendship

EagleBelfour
05-08-2007, 01:17 AM
Happy we talk about goaltenders a bit, as it's my favourite position to talk and learn about. Just for fun, I would like everyone who participate in the draft to name who they think his the best goaltender of all-time (or who they would take N.1 in this draft). You can give your opinion, but it's not needed. You can only give a name if you wish so.

So far, from the previous, I can say that:

4- Jacques Plante (EagleBelfour, God Bless Canada, Hockey Outsider, pitseleh)
3- Terry Sawchuk (Murphy2, Brett_Lebda, Wisent)
2- Dominik Hasek (HankyFourFinger, pnep)
1- Patrick Roy (Spitfire11)

I'll update this post whenever someone give his answer.

EagleBelfour
05-08-2007, 01:21 AM
For me, it's definitely Plante. 6 Vezinas, 1 Hart, 435 victories. He revolutionized the goaltending style from almost A to Z. The mask, covering angles, playing outside the net, an awesome playoff performer. It's really close between Sawchuk an him though.

God Bless Canada
05-08-2007, 01:22 AM
so when do u apologize to me ?
I asked a valid question: did you PM a list. It's a question you have asked twice in this round. It was past 2 a.m. in your part of the world when I asked that question. I thought you might be sleeping. I then astutely pointed out that if Evil Speaker was looking at a defenceman, he should go ahead and announce his pick, since you already had your defence filled. If Speaker (and Nalyd, for that matter) picked defencemen, it would have zero impact on your team. Of course, the same could not be said about Sather, since his remaining needs are the same as yours.

God Bless Canada
05-08-2007, 01:24 AM
For me, it's definitely Plante. 6 Vezinas, 1 Hart, 435 victories. He revolutionized the goaltending style from almost A to Z. The mask, covering angles, playing outside the net, an awesome playoff performer. It's really close between Sawchuk an him though.
I would go with Plante, for the same reasons you outlined. I think Hasek and Hall were better regular season goalies, but I would take Plante (as well as Roy and Sawchuk) ahead of Hasek and Hall because of the reliability factor I mentioned earlier in this thread, especially once the playoffs began.

But, as I've stated from the outset: I wouldn't pick a goalie in the first two rounds. There are roughly 20 goalies who can steal a series. The difference between No. 1 and No. 15 or 20 isn't as much as one would think.

Zetterberg4Captain*
05-08-2007, 01:29 AM
Happy we talk about goaltenders a bit, as it's my favourite position to talk and learn about. Just for fun, I would like everyone who participate in the draft to name who they think his the best goaltender of all-time (or who they would take N.1 in this draft). You can give your opinion, but it's not needed. You can only give a name if you wish so.

So far, from the previous, I can say that:

2- Jacques Plante (EagleBelfour, God Bless Canada)
1- Patrick Roy (Spitfire11)
1- Terry Sawchuk (Murphy2)
1- Dominik Hasek (HankyFourFinger)

I'll update this post whenever someone give his answer.

If we were just taking goalies Terry Sawchuk is the guy I want! :D

Hockey Outsider
05-08-2007, 01:40 AM
Just for fun, I would like everyone who participate in the draft to name who they think his the best goaltender of all-time (or who they would take N.1 in this draft).

Most dominant goalie, regular season: Hasek, by a fairly wide margin
Most dominant goalie, playoffs: Dryden or Roy
Best longevity/consistency, regular season: Hall
Best longevity/consistency, playoffs: probably Plante

Best "overall": I'd probably take Plante as the first goalie if I had the choice. He was an excellent regular season goalie. Unlike some playoff goalies that only really played at an elite level in the playoffs, Plante would be able to play at a high level during the regular season and therefore ensure any team a good seeding. He's consistent, so you're confident that he'll show up for the majority of your games, even in an off year.

More importantly, he had numerous brilliant playoff performances that allowed the Habs to open up and use their offensive firepower to its full potential. He never had a year quite on par with Dryden in '71, Sawchuk in '52, or Roy in '93 (etc.); however, he was brilliant almost every year in his prime, leading the playoffs in GAA 7 times (including 5 years in a row) and in save percentage 4 times. He was awarded a retroactive Conn Smythe in 1960. True, Plante played his best years behind a great defense but he had a Smythe-worthy performance on an expansion team. According to many of his peers (there are some great quotes from Cournoyer, who faced him in the 1969 Finals), Plante was a goalie with the talent and personality to cause fear in the hearts of opponents. That's the kind of goalie you want in net when you're battling for the Cup (Lord Stanley or Milt Dunnell).

Leaf Lander
05-08-2007, 01:47 AM
I asked a valid question: did you PM a list. It's a question you have asked twice in this round. It was past 2 a.m. in your part of the world when I asked that question. I thought you might be sleeping. I then astutely pointed out that if Evil Speaker was looking at a defenceman, he should go ahead and announce his pick, since you already had your defence filled. If Speaker (and Nalyd, for that matter) picked defencemen, it would have zero impact on your team. Of course, the same could not be said about Sather, since his remaining needs are the same as yours.

still no reason to call me a a hole

clean up ur act

im rather appalled since u call urself church folk

God Bless Canada
05-08-2007, 01:50 AM
still no reason to call me a a hole

clean up ur act

im rather appalled since u call urself church folk
I didn't call you an a hole. Where did I say a hole? Go read my post. When I said "there's that A-word again," I used in reference to the word assuming, which is the word I used right before putting, in brackets, "there's that A-word again."

Zetterberg4Captain*
05-08-2007, 02:01 AM
still no reason to call me a a hole

clean up ur act

im rather appalled since u call urself church folk

What the hell are you talking about? He never called you an a hole, figure it out....

Leaf Lander
05-08-2007, 02:17 AM
I didn't call you an a hole. Where did I say a hole? Go read my post. When I said "there's that A-word again," I used in reference to the word assuming, which is the word I used right before putting, in brackets, "there's that A-word again."

oh yeah i hear teh a word meaning assumign all the time ......not

anyways I'll turn the other cheek now

pitseleh
05-08-2007, 02:32 AM
I'd take Plante #1 personally, but I think you could make a decent case for any of the Big-6 (I have Dryden almost at the same level as the other five) first.

raleh
05-08-2007, 03:29 AM
hmm...based on Evil Sather's evaluation I have a team that might not make the playoffs. I'm not sure if I like that or not. On one hand, I feel as if we might surprise a lot of people...on the other, I feel as if I have finally put together half decent team and apparently I'm wrong haha.

pnep
05-08-2007, 03:49 AM
Happy we talk about goaltenders a bit, as it's my favourite position to talk and learn about. Just for fun, I would like everyone who participate in the draft to name who they think his the best goaltender of all-time (or who they would take N.1 in this draft). You can give your opinion, but it's not needed. You can only give a name if you wish so.



Hasek

shawnmullin
05-08-2007, 07:26 AM
oh yeah i hear teh a word meaning assumign all the time ......not

anyways I'll turn the other cheek now

Um... you have gone off the deep end this time, LL.

Read the post, he says that he "assumes (there's that A word again)"

As in... assume is the "a" word. Not you are an a hole.

If anyone owes anyone an apology now it's you.

Wisent
05-08-2007, 07:32 AM
Happy we talk about goaltenders a bit, as it's my favourite position to talk and learn about. Just for fun, I would like everyone who participate in the draft to name who they think his the best goaltender of all-time (or who they would take N.1 in this draft). You can give your opinion, but it's not needed. You can only give a name if you wish so.


Hasek or Sawchuk. For peak Hasek no doubt.

EagleBelfour
05-08-2007, 07:36 AM
Hasek or Sawchuk. For peak Hasek no doubt.

So, who would you take first in a draft like this? Hasek or Sawchuk?

Wisent
05-08-2007, 07:38 AM
Evil Sather, I am not so sure what you mean with mix.
My team has mixed nationalities but in playing style they have one thing in common that was important to me. With the exception of Norström they are all excellent two way players and I am confident that I wouldn`t mind anyone from this in the penalty kill. The offensive ceiling of everyone is still high enough (exception Norström and Ricci (although he chipped in with timely goals as well)) to score my goals. That is what I was looking for in the entire draft. I might not have the best goalscorers but I think it will be hard to score against this team.

Wisent
05-08-2007, 07:40 AM
So, who would you take first in a draft like this? Hasek or Sawchuk?

I think I tend to take Sawchuk (his shut out record is so awesome) although that might depend on my mood. I will probably not get either in any of these drafts (perhaps if one of them really slipped) since I don`t take goalies early. There are so many great goalies too pick.

VanIslander
05-08-2007, 07:48 AM
Uh, guys, we have a draft going... and it seems to be stalling with the disagreements

Now Evil Speaker is 6.5 hours into his clock, isn't he?

604 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - ON THE CLOCK
605 Nalyd Psycho - St. Louis Eagles
606 Evil Sather - New York Rangers
607 Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings

MXD
05-08-2007, 07:59 AM
Am I the only one thinking Sawchuck is... overated?

Murphy
05-08-2007, 09:18 AM
did murphy leave a list?

LL, my pick wasn't even up yet and your looking for a list from me, I demand an apology...........;)

Murphy
05-08-2007, 09:22 AM
Am I the only one thinking Sawchuck is... overated?

*crickets.......


Actually I'm in the camp of thinking Roy is the overated one.

BM67
05-08-2007, 09:27 AM
Am I the only one thinking Sawchuck is... overated?
Odds are that anyone debated as the #1 of anything of all-time is going to be by some.

When Goalie's World did their all-time goalie ranking back in 2000, they said their biggest arguement against Sawchuck being #1 is that he was never a 1st All-star after Hall and Plante were in the NHL.

Sawchuck first 5 (full) years vs rest of career (15 years, from 55-56 on)
345 games 199 wins 57 shutouts 1.94 GAA 3 1st A-S 2 2nd A-S 3 Vezina 3 Cups
626 games 248 wins 46 shutouts 2.82 GAA 0 1st A-S 2 2nd A-S 1 Vezina 1 Cup

Plante first 5 (full) years vs rest of career (11 years, from 59-60 on)
331 games 187 wins 44 shutouts 2.02 GAA 2 1st A-S 2 2nd A-S 4 Vezina 5 Cups
506 games 250 wins 38 shutouts 2.61 GAA 1 1st A-S 2 2nd A-S 3 Vezina 1 Cup

Hall first 5 (full) years vs rest of career (11 years, from 60-61 on)
358 games 154 wins 31 shutouts 2.52 GAA 3 1st A-S 1 2nd A-S 0 Vezina 0 Cups
548 games 253 wins 53 shutouts 2.48 GAA 4 1st A-S 3 2nd A-S 3 Vezina 1 Cup

Nalyd Psycho
05-08-2007, 09:59 AM
Goalies, I personally rank Hasek #1. Yeah, he's a bit of a flake, but of all players I've seen play, Hasek is the most dominant, and that includes 92-93 Lemieux. He may be the only player in hockey history who can single handedly win games.

Actually, I think pappy would be the draft leader for PM'ed lists. I would say that more than half of his picks have been announced through the PM. #66 and EagleBelfour have seemingly gone through that route a lot, too.

I think I've had five or six picks announced via PM.

I gotta be up there as well.

Leaf Lander
05-08-2007, 10:02 AM
Um... you have gone off the deep end this time, LL.

Read the post, he says that he "assumes (tehre's that A word again)"

As in... assume is the "a" word. Not you are an a hole.

If anyone owes anyone an apology now it's you.


no one says a word for assume

thats a typical gbc passive aggressive post

Evil Sather
05-08-2007, 10:03 AM
hmm...based on Evil Sather's evaluation I have a team that might not make the playoffs. I'm not sure if I like that or not. On one hand, I feel as if we might surprise a lot of people...on the other, I feel as if I have finally put together half decent team and apparently I'm wrong haha.

It was a "quick n dirty" evaluation, nothing terribly in depth, I just looked at the Roster Thread. I love the "Punch" line and for my money they're a legit #1 line in the draft. Sanderson will be... Sanderson (PERFECT for my team but w/e), big fan of Muller, and I like Leach and Lewis but your forward corps kind of leaves me wanting as a whole. Kariya and Turgeon and Ronning have the skillsets but none are second liners IMO -- and I'm probably giving you less negative marks for Turgeon and Ronning then some will. Problem with Ronning is if you're moving him up when say "behind", what does that say about Turgeon? Why even have him?

Big fan of Cleghorne and Tremblay, but Boivin and Harper are kind of "meh" for a top pair and second pair guys. I understand their forte is defense and they like a Van Impe may well end up being "playoff warriors" but it seems lacking. I'd actually really like to see who plays the points on your Power Play.

As for goaltending, Cheevers' playoff resume needs no introduction, very similar to Fuhr. But he was never a great regular season goalie and that's gonna count against. If you had draft a really strong regular season goalie (Curtis Joseph wouldn't have been bad at all) it would have rated higher IMO. Henry's body of work isnt significant enough, IMO.

So when I say your team could be a terror, I mean it... Punch line, Leach, your top-4 D I could totally see lifting their play, plus big game Cheevers in net. I just don't know if you make it to the round of 16. I'm not saying you can't, or that I won't vote that you do, but this is a murderers row of teams here and I would have liked to see another surefire gamebreaker other than Richard to help out in the dregs of February.

Leaf Lander
05-08-2007, 10:06 AM
LL, my pick wasn't even up yet and your looking for a list from me, I demand an apology...........;)

no probs im sorry :teach:
btw

Evil Speaker clock is up

Nalyd Psycho is on the clock

Nalyd Psycho
05-08-2007, 10:12 AM
Cool, give me a moment, at school, so, no list with me, but I vaguely remember who I wanted...

Murphy
05-08-2007, 10:14 AM
When's the all-star weekend gonna happen?

Frightened Inmate #2
05-08-2007, 10:19 AM
no one says a word for assume

thats a typical gbc passive aggressive post

Now you're being an a-hole.

Murphy
05-08-2007, 10:28 AM
Now you're being an a-hole.

Playoffs are gonna be great aren't they?

Nalyd Psycho
05-08-2007, 10:32 AM
The St. Louis Eagles add a man once known as one of the best power defenders, dispite being drafted to be a power forward, then he comitted the cardinal sin of accepting an overpayment and never fufilled the unreasonable demands the contract placed on him. But, is still a proven playoff warrior and power defender.

RW Martin Lapointe

Evil Sather
05-08-2007, 10:46 AM
The New York Rangers would like to select (and keep Marek Malik away from) former Vezina and First Team All-Star goalie Olaf Kolzig.

shawnmullin
05-08-2007, 10:47 AM
no one says a word for assume

thats a typical gbc passive aggressive post

I feel stupid dragging this out because it couldn't possibly be more obvious that you've misread what he said.

Seriously, I think you're the only person on planet earth who would read that post and think you're being called an a hole.

raleh
05-08-2007, 10:56 AM
It was a "quick n dirty" evaluation, nothing terribly in depth, I just looked at the Roster Thread. I love the "Punch" line and for my money they're a legit #1 line in the draft. Sanderson will be... Sanderson (PERFECT for my team but w/e), big fan of Muller, and I like Leach and Lewis but your forward corps kind of leaves me wanting as a whole. Kariya and Turgeon and Ronning have the skillsets but none are second liners IMO -- and I'm probably giving you less negative marks for Turgeon and Ronning then some will. Problem with Ronning is if you're moving him up when say "behind", what does that say about Turgeon? Why even have him?

Big fan of Cleghorne and Tremblay, but Boivin and Harper are kind of "meh" for a top pair and second pair guys. I understand their forte is defense and they like a Van Impe may well end up being "playoff warriors" but it seems lacking. I'd actually really like to see who plays the points on your Power Play.

As for goaltending, Cheevers' playoff resume needs no introduction, very similar to Fuhr. But he was never a great regular season goalie and that's gonna count against. If you had draft a really strong regular season goalie (Curtis Joseph wouldn't have been bad at all) it would have rated higher IMO. Henry's body of work isnt significant enough, IMO.

So when I say your team could be a terror, I mean it... Punch line, Leach, your top-4 D I could totally see lifting their play, plus big game Cheevers in net. I just don't know if you make it to the round of 16. I'm not saying you can't, or that I won't vote that you do, but this is a murderers row of teams here and I would have liked to see another surefire gamebreaker other than Richard to help out in the dregs of February.

I agree with your critique on my goaltending. I've known all along that it's going to hurt my chances, but Cheevers will get the job done in the regular season. I don't really care where I place in the regular season, as long as it's in the top 16. After that I don't care who I play in the playoffs, we'll take anyone.

When you say Kariya isn't a second liner, what do you mean? That he's a first liner? Or that he doesn't belong in the draft. I actually see him as one of those game breakers you were mentioning. Correct me if I'm wrong HO, but he was on your top line on the team that won the last ATD was he not?

As far as game breakers are concerned, I think you might be underrating Lach. You call the Rocket my only sure fire game breaker, but I do have a couple of Art Ross trophy winners on the team as well. I actually love the scoring punch on my team.

I think my defence is solid. Boivin and Harper are there for exactly what you mentioned, defence. I haven't really set a power play yet, but it will have Rocket, Lach, Blake, Kariya, and Cleghorn on it.

I love my fourth line of Shack-Sanderson-Tremblay. They can score, they can hit, and they can be a-holes. That's really all you can ask.

My third line worries me a little bit because I'm basing so much on guys I never saw, but I feel as if I've done decent research.

Jim Henry was my biggest mistake of the draft, possibly of any draft I've ever taken part in. But as I said, I expect us to get to the playoffs in the bottom half and then go from there.

Edit: I just took at look at your team, and realized that we're not going to come to any kind of agreement here haha. However, I'm really happy to not be in your division! There are a number of guys on your team (Dionne, BURE, Coffey) that are on the raleh black list. Although there's one of those guys on my team this draft as well.

arrbez
05-08-2007, 10:58 AM
They can score, they can hit, and they can be a-holes. That's really all you can ask.

Hey, ease up on the "A-Word" ;)

raleh
05-08-2007, 11:14 AM
Hey, ease up on the "A-Word" ;)

Man, I'm going to hate the regular season being in your division! Arrbez, every post you make makes me want to play against you less and just sit back and watch you chirp other gms.

Spitfire11
05-08-2007, 11:17 AM
Ironman and "warrior" D Robert Svehla

A very underrated player throughtout his career

God Bless Canada
05-08-2007, 11:19 AM
no one says a word for assume

thats a typical gbc passive aggressive post
What's with this passive aggressive line you keep using? In case you can't tell, the one thing you can't accuse me of being is passive. Aggressive, on the other hand? You all know how aggressive I can be.

Clearly my comment was a little too high-brow for LL at 2 a.m. in Atlantic Canada. Perhaps he should look back on his "when to apologize" post, and follow his own advice.

Evil Sather
05-08-2007, 11:23 AM
I agree with your critique on my goaltending. I've known all along that it's going to hurt my chances, but Cheevers will get the job done in the regular season. I don't really care where I place in the regular season, as long as it's in the top 16. After that I don't care who I play in the playoffs, we'll take anyone.

When you say Kariya isn't a second liner, what do you mean? That he's a first liner? Or that he doesn't belong in the draft. I actually see him as one of those game breakers you were mentioning. Correct me if I'm wrong HO, but he was on your top line on the team that won the last ATD was he not?

As far as game breakers are concerned, I think you might be underrating Lach. You call the Rocket my only sure fire game breaker, but I do have a couple of Art Ross trophy winners on the team as well. I actually love the scoring punch on my team.

I think my defence is solid. Boivin and Harper are there for exactly what you mentioned, defence. I haven't really set a power play yet, but it will have Rocket, Lach, Blake, Kariya, and Cleghorn on it.

I love my fourth line of Shack-Sanderson-Tremblay. They can score, they can hit, and they can be a-holes. That's really all you can ask.

My third line worries me a little bit because I'm basing so much on guys I never saw, but I feel as if I've done decent research.

Jim Henry was my biggest mistake of the draft, possibly of any draft I've ever taken part in. But as I said, I expect us to get to the playoffs in the bottom half and then go from there.

Edit: I just took at look at your team, and realized that we're not going to come to any kind of agreement here haha. However, I'm really happy to not be in your division! There are a number of guys on your team (Dionne, BURE, Coffey) that are on the raleh black list. Although there's one of those guys on my team this draft as well.


What I mean by gamebreaker isn't neccessarily the skills to make a breakaway and score, it's that one guy you have to keep an eye on every game, if you have a checking pest, he's the guy you point him to stick on. Not a guy who can make two gorgeous goals when you're down 4-0 in the 3rd period (not saying Kariya is a guy who pads stats, just explaining theoretically) but someone who can put up goals when the team is lagging a bit and change its complexion. Yes you have guys who can score (and I'd rather have Kariya on a 1st rather than supporting line, if that makes any sense) but Richard is the only one I'd look at and go "wow. gotta stop him."

Kariya-Turgeon is a defensive disaster waiting to happen and like GBC once said about my Crosby-Bure tandem, I'd rather you have a big more defensive center to cover up his transgressions(hello Steve Rucchin). Could it work? Sure. You have a surefire playoff calibre 1st and 4th lines. It's your other ones and offense from the back end and goaltending that worry me a bit.

If you do make it, I for one wouldn't want to face you. It's just the long haul I'd be worried about.

raleh
05-08-2007, 11:37 AM
What I mean by gamebreaker isn't neccessarily the skills to make a breakaway and score, it's that one guy you have to keep an eye on every game, if you have a checking pest, he's the guy you point him to stick on. Not a guy who can make two gorgeous goals when you're down 4-0 in the 3rd period (not saying Kariya is a guy who pads stats, just explaining theoretically) but someone who can put up goals when the team is lagging a bit and change its complexion. Yes you have guys who can score (and I'd rather have Kariya on a 1st rather than supporting line, if that makes any sense) but Richard is the only one I'd look at and go "wow. gotta stop him."

Kariya-Turgeon is a defensive disaster waiting to happen and like GBC once said about my Crosby-Bure tandem, I'd rather you have a big more defensive center to cover up his transgressions(hello Steve Rucchin). Could it work? Sure. You have a surefire playoff calibre 1st and 4th lines. It's your other ones and offense from the back end and goaltending that worry me a bit.

If you do make it, I for one wouldn't want to face you. It's just the long haul I'd be worried about.

Well I guess I would agree with that. I don't think we'll be playing each other in this draft, but I look forward to it if we do. The closest will probably be when the Rocket plays against your entire top two lines in the all star game!

God Bless Canada
05-08-2007, 11:42 AM
I think raleh's on the right path in some respects. His top line, for my money, is the best in the draft. The Punch Line is one of the league's all-time greats, and in a 28-team draft, if you can reunite a top line, or even two-thirds of a great line, you have a definite head start on your competition, especially early in the year when the other teams are trying to get chemistry between their lines. That chemistry advantage will diminish as the season progresses.

I do have concerns about his second line. I wonder who's going to do the dirty work. Leach wasn't a rugged player, and you know what Turgeon and Kariya will get you. I think you might eventually have to put Muller or Tremblay on that line, simply to open up room for the skilled players. That's why I was so keen on landing Duke Keats for my second line: I knew that I wasn't likely going to find a physical offensive winger for that line (a Neely or a Shanahan, or even an Owen Nolan [although I was close on that one]) so I'd need a centre who could make plays while opening up room for his linemates.

raleh's third and fourth lines are more of what you would expect from this team.

Claghorn-Tremblay is an excellent 1-2 punch on the blue-line, although they're good enough in other areas that I think they can play together as the top unit. Leave Boivin and Harper as a shut-down third pairing. I'm not that familiar with Ott Heller, so I say this with a reservation: I have concerns about your defence's ability to move the puck beyond Claghorn and Tremblay. Is that why you've split them up, rather than have one of the best pairings in the draft?

Cheevers is an excellent goalie pick. A terrific playoff goalie who had that knack for coming up with the big save at the right time. And one of the first goalies to effectively handle the puck. He might be better at moving the puck than a couple of your defencemen. He wasn't a great regular season goalie, but if you limit him to say, 50 games, and give Henry the other 30-plus contests, you should be fine.

Evil Sather
05-08-2007, 11:44 AM
Not my ENTIRE top 6... people will hate on Crosby after all...

funny thing is I think my defense corps is better than my forwards. Up front I have a couple holes but my D is not only solid in their own end but great transitionally. All of them can score, and even Coffey could defend if he really had to. All have speed and size and a couple are even kinda mean :) . I consider it one of the better upper-tier (not best) defenses in the draft.

God Bless Canada
05-08-2007, 11:58 AM
Not my ENTIRE top 6... people will hate on Crosby after all...

funny thing is I think my defense corps is better than my forwards. Up front I have a couple holes but my D is not only solid in their own end but great transitionally. All of them can score, and even Coffey could defend if he really had to. All have speed and size and a couple are even kinda mean :) . I consider it one of the better upper-tier (not best) defenses in the draft.
I think you're overselling a couple of elements on your defence, but there's a lot to like. The Coffey-Lowe tandem works well. But I wouldn't say that Coffey was "kinda mean." He had seasons with high PIM totals, but I don't think they were from playing tough. In the same breath, I wouldn't expect much from Lowe and Ramsey offensively. I think Ramsey should probably be with Mathieu Schneider. Give Schneider the green light to go offensively, with Ramsey taking care of the defensive zone.

On the other hand, a Schneider-Greschner duo is menacing with their shots.

Gary Suter's a great defenceman to have in this draft because he can play almost any role, except for that of a sure-thing shut down defensive defenceman. Really good in all three zones, moves the puck well, shoots hard, hits hard, takes care of his own zone. Put him with Coffey or Schneider and watch him take care of his own zone, put him with Lowe or Ramsay and let Suter work offensively, or put him with Greschner on a two-way pairing. No matter what, he won't let you down. Perfect for the No. 3 role, playing around 21 or 22 minutes a game.

Pwnasaurus
05-08-2007, 12:08 PM
Am I the only one thinking Sawchuck is... overated?

More crickets.

I'll take Sawchuk #1.

raleh
05-08-2007, 12:33 PM
I'll take Sawchuk first I think, followed by Roy, Plante, Hall, Hasek.

John Flyers Fan
05-08-2007, 12:44 PM
Of the goalies, I think Hall tends to be that is a bit overrated. His playoff numbers just don't match up to the other top flight goalies, I wouldn't have him in my top 5 (Brodeur, Hasek, Plante, Roy and Sawchuk).

Evil Sather
05-08-2007, 12:46 PM
I think you're overselling a couple of elements on your defence, but there's a lot to like. The Coffey-Lowe tandem works well. But I wouldn't say that Coffey was "kinda mean." He had seasons with high PIM totals, but I don't think they were from playing tough. In the same breath, I wouldn't expect much from Lowe and Ramsey offensively. I think Ramsey should probably be with Mathieu Schneider. Give Schneider the green light to go offensively, with Ramsey taking care of the defensive zone.

On the other hand, a Schneider-Greschner duo is menacing with their shots.

Gary Suter's a great defenceman to have in this draft because he can play almost any role, except for that of a sure-thing shut down defensive defenceman. Really good in all three zones, moves the puck well, shoots hard, hits hard, takes care of his own zone. Put him with Coffey or Schneider and watch him take care of his own zone, put him with Lowe or Ramsay and let Suter work offensively, or put him with Greschner on a two-way pairing. No matter what, he won't let you down. Perfect for the No. 3 role, playing around 21 or 22 minutes a game.

I'm expecting Coffey to be his puck rushing self; Ramsey and Lowe aren't expected to do more offensively than outlet passing (which they are both capable of doing) and Suter has the mean ******* area covered, while Schneider and Greschner can worry more about playing their two way games. I feel I can mix and match them opponent depending -- even so far as to play Coffey and Ramsey together, then Suter-Greschner and Schneider-Lowe and have three balanced pairings. The only thing I could use is either another pure puck-rusher or another shutdown defenseman, but I'm okay with them not having a clear cut identity. It's not perfect, but I feel it's somewhere in the top 7-12 defenses.

kruezer
05-08-2007, 12:50 PM
I'll take Plante number one, he just consistently combines all the best elements of a goalie better than all the others IMO.

Murphy
05-08-2007, 12:53 PM
Sawchuk for me, followed very closely by Vachon & Giacomin........;)

Pwnasaurus
05-08-2007, 12:54 PM
Of the goalies, I think Hall tends to be that is a bit overrated. His playoff numbers just don't match up to the other top flight goalies, I wouldn't have him in my top 5 (Brodeur, Hasek, Plante, Roy and Sawchuk).

That's interesting because I think he tends to be a bit underrated at times...I think people tend to forget about him carrying that expansion Blues team basically. Also just from an "eyeball" test perspective the film/games I've seen of him he looks to be the most talented goaltender in terms of athletic ability during his prime years (when compared to others of his era).