Leafs Young Players - Whose the best?

Who do you guys think is the best and will have the best career? Who has the best potential?

By the way, by Leafs young players I mean:

Alexander Steen
Kyle Wellwood
Carlo Colaiacova
Matt Stajan
Ian White

They are all pretty young and are our youth. Who do you guys think will have the best career? Potential? Score the most? Best players overall?

Whose the best?

Kyle Wellwood. I see him becoming the new and improved Adam Oates.

Anyways, Toronto would of had some better younger guys if JFJ didn't **** up your team. Signing McCabe? What a joke....and Racroft/Rask? pleassssssse........

I would say that Wellwood is our best young player...it is nice to see some promise from our younger players though.

Right now, Wellwood.

I would say that Wellwood is our best young player...it is nice to see some promise from our younger players though.

well ian white compared to other rookies at his position has to merit some votes .he should make the first team all rookie team .not too shabby

Health issues aside, I think Cola has the most upside.

Best Career? Steen
Potential? Welly
Score the most? Steen
Best player overall? Steen

Now:

wellwood
steen
colaiacovo
stajan
white

career:
steen
colaiacovo
wellwood
stajan
white

the order makes no difference, because imho they will all have great careers, whether its in toronto i dont know.

I choose Wellwood.

I would say Colaiacovo. I think he has top pairing potential.

Steen and Wellwood are both probably best suited to play second line roles.

Who do you guys think is the best and will have the best career? Who has the best potential?

By the way, by Leafs young players I mean:

Alexander Steen
Kyle Wellwood
Carlo Colaiacova
Matt Stajan
Ian White

They are all pretty young and are our youth. Who do you guys think will have the best career? Potential? Score the most? Best players overall?

Whose the best?


You already made my order for me!

Alexander Steen
Kyle Wellwood
Carlo Colaiacova
Ian White
Matt Stajan

all our prospects seem to have one major defect :(

he cant skate
our he's too small
or he's too timid
and so on...

all our prospects seem to have one major defect :(

he cant skate
our he's too small
or he's too timid
and so on...
know waht else they have in common? they AREN"T high 1st picks... if 1sts at all.

Carlo Colaiacovo.

He has the potential to be a solid number 3 defenseman.

It was a toss up between Wellwood and Colaiacovo. I give a very slight edge to Cola.

I think Kyle Wellwood will be the best of all of them. He'll eventually be the next Adam Oates - I think he could have a career high of 30 g 70 a season. He need a Pavel Bure as a winger though.

Colaiacovo because he has talent and, it appears, a lot of determination.

Most pure skill- Wellwood
Best overall player- Steen
Most upside-Coliacovo

Having said that, I see all of the players that you have mentioned as top contributors for years to come.

all our prospects seem to have one major defect :(

he cant skate
our he's too small
or he's too timid
and so on...
Most NHL players have a fairly major flaw in their game.

Steen.

Welly

Right now, Wellwood.

I'm tossed between Welly, Steen, and Carlo. I think long term I'll say Carlo, if he stays healthy. Welly and Steen are very close though, ugh, tough question.

Colaiacovo because he has talent and, it appears, a lot of determination.

He's our future captain, IMO. Fits the mold better than any other player on the team!

Sometimes Carlo scares me a little by doing the bad things in McCabe IMO he need to be paired with anouther guy ie Kubina or Kaberle

I would say Colaiacovo. I think he has top pairing potential.

Steen and Wellwood are both probably best suited to play second line roles.
I agree with the doctor

Kyle Wellwood
Alexander Steen
Carlo Colaiacova
Matt Stajan
Ian White

That's my view. Stajan/White are below the first three and could change places without bothering me.

Colaiacovo and Steen easily.

As an outsider, I think Steen will be the best from the bunch.

Kyle Wellwood can only dream to be 1/10 the player Oates ever was.

Oates is one of the best players of all time!!

WellY..

Cola

Colaiacovo, only because Wellwood doesn't play any defense that I can see.

Colaiacovo, only because Wellwood doesn't play any defense that I can see.

shying away from contact could be considered "defensive"!!!

Colaiacovo, only because Wellwood doesn't play any defense that I can see.

I think that's a rather unfair assesment of Welly. He does play D, I would just say that his lack of physical play doesn't draw attention to him, so it's easy to miss.

I would rate them:

1 Kyle Wellwood
2 Carlo Colaiacovo
3 Alexander Steen
4 Matt Stajan
5 Ian White

I have to say Wellwood. I am really interested to see how many people are choosing steen, I figured more people would be bashing him after his relatively poor season.

Most NHL players have a fairly major flaw in their game.

I think it's more the superstars that tend to have one or two major flaws in their game... albeit obviously offset by dramatic abilities in other areas.
I tend to look at very good 3rd liners as usually being very well rounded players, and the best example of a player without any real downsides.

Precious few top 6 forwards/top 4D-Man that I can think of are entirely without any aspects of their game that's below league average at the NHL level though.

Even guys like Crosby and Lidstrom have weaknesses though neither too significant. Ryan Smyth or to a lesser degree Joe Thornton might be the closest thing to a top tier NHL forward that's at least average in every conceivable way.

I'm not sure it's realistically possible for any player to be great in every respect. The absolute best players tend to have a handful of qualities that are simply inconcievably good (Ie. Gretzky) or a fairly large number of skills that are in the upper 5 percentile in the NHL and only a handful of areas that are slightly below average (Crosby would probably be a good modern example here).

Minus those handful virtually all stars in the NHL have some pretty dramatic downsides.

Current ability best to worst:

1. Wellwood
2. Stajan
3. White
4. Steen
5. Williams
6. Newbury
7. Kronwall
8. Colaiacovo

future potential most to least:

1. Steen
2. Wellwood
3. White
4. Williams
5. Stajan
6. Newbury
7. Kronwall
8. Colaiaocovo

I will hold off on Stralman or Vorobiev and others until I see more of them.

Putting newbery in there is hilarious.

Current ability best to worst:

1. Wellwood
2. Stajan
3. White
4. Steen
5. Williams
6. Newbury
7. Kronwall
8. Colaiacovo

future potential most to least:

1. Steen
2. Wellwood
3. White
4. Williams
5. Stajan
6. Newbury
7. Kronwall
8. Colaiaocovo

I will hold off on Stralman or Vorobiev and others until I see more of them.

:biglaugh:

Putting newbery in there is hilarious.

Newbury was given a chance with the Leafs over Williams and Westrum(who before his horrible end to the season with the Marlies and subsequent departure, was bandied about as a possible name to come up). He also was signed to a 1-way deal IIRC. So someone thinks he is pretty good.

Alexander Steen: Great two way upside. Never a true top line player, however a very good, reliable player in absolutely all situations.

Kyle Wellwood: Top line potential, and looks like he'll reach it. He's not bad defensively, however to me, a team full of Wellwood's would lose to a team full of Steen's 9 times out of 10.

Carlo Colaiacovo: If he gets over the injury history, he has the potential to develop into a very good #3 defender, and an ok #2. His game is all around, and when he's playing at the top of it, really leaves nothing to be desired.

Ian White: Great offensively, solid defensively. He'll never dominate in his own end, but makes up for it with his smooth passes, and skating. The epitomy of the #1 PP quarterback, but #4 defender type abilities.

Matt Stajan: Much like Steen, solid both ways, however he's the great 3rd line, solid second line version. Stajan is good across the board, however he's not really great at anything asides from effort.

That's how I see it.

Newbury was given a chance with the Leafs over Williams and Westrum(who before his horrible end to the season with the Marlies and subsequent departure, was bandied about as a possible name to come up). He also was signed to a 1-way deal If I recall correctly. So someone thinks he is pretty good.

Newbury is good. At being a pest, and willing to drop the gloves. He'll never score more goals in a season than any of the other guys on the list. Newbury knows his role, and plays it perfectly. He's definitely the only guy on the list that I'll guarantee reaches his potential, and that's because the bar is set quite low. Nobody expects ten goals a season out of him. He's there to hit, fight, and draw penalties.

Newbury was given a chance with the Leafs over Williams and Westrum(who before his horrible end to the season with the Marlies and subsequent departure, was bandied about as a possible name to come up). He also was signed to a 1-way deal IIRC. So someone thinks he is pretty good.
but better than Carlo?

only in your world

but better than Carlo?

only in your world

I tend to think the people who are more likely to be in the "regular playing" lineup (eg-Newbury) as better then those who wont(eg-Kronwall, Colaiacovo). So yes that is my world to believe upcoming seasons "regulars", no matter how small their role, are better then upcoming seasons "injury spares". Part of healthy lineup>not part of healthy lineup.

Just like I believe Stajan is better then Steen since he played a bigger role most of the year then Steen and generally played better hockey, but Steen's future upside is still much bigger. Just like I believe while Wellwood and White are both hugely important parts of the team now and the future, and play different positions, that Wellwood is still even more important in both the now and present to the team, so rated him higher then White in both.

Current ability best to worst:

1. Wellwood
2. Stajan
3. White
4. Steen
5. Williams
6. Newbury
7. Kronwall
8. Colaiacovo

future potential most to least:

1. Steen
2. Wellwood
3. White
4. Williams
5. Stajan
6. Newbury
7. Kronwall
8. Colaiaocovo

I will hold off on Stralman or Vorobiev and others until I see more of them.

Of all the crap we've seen you produce about Carlo, this may take the cake.

Kris Newbury? :help: :biglaugh: Though I suppose I shouldn't be suprised.

You know wildone26, it's okay to admit you're horrifically wrong about a player.

shying away from contact could be considered "defensive"!!!

I think that's a rather unfair assesment of Welly. He does play D, I would just say that his lack of physical play doesn't draw attention to him, so it's easy to miss.

Guys, Wellwood couldn't check his coat. It has nothing to do with being physical or not. He's out there to score points and he's very good at that, no question. He is definitely the top young forward talent. Steen is pretty good defensively but neither he nor Stajan have the pure offensive skill that Kyle does.

Colaiacovo is excellent both offensively and defensively, which is why I rated him at the top. He has everything you could want in a defenceman.

Carlo will continue to move up the ladder. I think in terms of ability he is already the Leafs #2 defenceman, the problem is the gigantic contracts of McCabe and Kubina playing in front of him. Until one of them are gone Cola will have to be content with #4 duties as well as extra powerplay time. Let's hope he can stay healthy, that has been the one and only factor holding him back in his career so far.

I just think it's very unfair to say Welly has no defensive ability, which is what some people suggest.

i think newbury could become another darcy tucker but with better smarts. :teach:

i think newbury could become another darcy tucker but with better smarts. :teach:

I would call that slightly over rating the player. He's capable of being a good role, 4th liner, I don't see anything else.

Of all the crap we've seen you produce about Carlo, this may take the cake.

Kris Newbury? :help: :biglaugh: Though I suppose I shouldn't be suprised.

You know wildone26, it's okay to admit you're horrifically wrong about a player.
i wonder if carlo slept with his mom or something... there is some seriously deep rooted hate.

Wellwood is our best young player right now.

Steen will be career-wise.

Who do you guys think is the best and will have the best career? Who has the best potential?

By the way, by Leafs young players I mean:

Alexander Steen
Kyle Wellwood
Carlo Colaiacova
Matt Stajan
Ian White

They are all pretty young and are our youth. Who do you guys think will have the best career? Potential? Score the most? Best players overall?

Whose the best?

Coli, Welli, Steen, White, Stajan

Coli is Caber, which is not as bad as you'd think around here, in fact, it's a compliment

Welli is something we haven't had around here in some time, I say he maxes around 80 pts a year, well suited to the game as it's played the last couple years

Steen I think is slightly over-rated here, if he ever pops 30 I'd be happy, but a steady 20+ goal scorer for years I'd say.

White, though I don't see him staying in T.O., is a 2nd pairing at his peak, and a PP specialist eventually, but just doesn't have the size to be a true top D-man. Quality NHL d-man none the less.

Stajan, I think he does well if he peaks at about 2/3 of a Peca.

Coli, Welli, Steen, White, Stajan

Coli is Caber, which is not as bad as you'd think around here, in fact, it's a compliment

Welli is something we haven't had around here in some time, I say he maxes around 80 pts a year, well suited to the game as it's played the last couple years

Steen I think is slightly over-rated here, if he ever pops 30 I'd be happy, but a steady 20+ goal scorer for years I'd say.

White, though I don't see him staying in T.O., is a 2nd pairing at his peak, and a PP specialist eventually, but just doesn't have the size to be a true top D-man. Quality NHL d-man none the less.

Stajan, I think he does well if he peaks at about 2/3 of a Peca.

I really don't know about that comparison. I think Cola is much better at joining the rush. I see a little Brian Leetch in him, or Bryan Berard. However, with much better defensive capability than Berard, and Leetch in his earlier days. And his ability to hit men in open ice is great too, but he needs to pick his spots better, and I think he's improving on that.

Steen by far.

As the season went on, he started to get more comfortable and he did things with the puck that I've never seen him do before. If he can learn to play more of a consistant game and if you place him with a creative centerman, then I really think that he can play top line minutes.

Of all the crap we've seen you produce about Carlo, this may take the cake.

Kris Newbury? :help: :biglaugh: Though I suppose I shouldn't be suprised.

You know wildone26, it's okay to admit you're horrifically wrong about a player.
He does admit it. That's the best part. He'll say he's wrong, shut up for a week, then start up again.

Current ability best to worst:

1. Wellwood
2. Stajan
3. White
4. Steen
5. Williams
6. Newbury
7. Kronwall
8. Colaiacovo

future potential most to least:

1. Steen
2. Wellwood
3. White
4. Williams
5. Stajan
6. Newbury
7. Kronwall
8. Colaiaocovo

I will hold off on Stralman or Vorobiev and others until I see more of them.

Colaiacova is much better then Newbery, or Kronwall at least.

Why does everyone say that Steen > Wellwood when it comes to future potential?

Colaiacova is much better then Newbery, or Kronwall at least.

Why does everyone say that Steen > Wellwood when it comes to future potential?
Better all round game. Doesn't need to score to be effective. Can be a PP, PK and ES player. Has the potential to be independant and create on his own, rather than needing finishers to put up decent numbers.

Better all round game. Doesn't need to score to be effective. Can be a PP, PK and ES player. Has the potential to be independant and create on his own, rather than needing finishers to put up decent numbers.

I don't know if he needs finishers. He's pretty creative, and has made players like Kilger look pretty good on occassion. And he does have finishing ability himself, we just havn't seen enough of it, since he's been in the league. i would like to see Kyle be a little more selfish this year, and hold onto the puck a little bit more, and take more shots.

You know wildone26, it's okay to admit you're horrifically wrong about a player.

If the player you are referring to is who I think it is then I will absolutely admit I was horrifically wrong about him when he proves to me I was horrifically wrong. I even hope he does, since the better any particular player is, especialy one of such hype level benefits the team. The reason I cant stand this particular player is not because I cheer for him to fail, as many seem to think, but because what he is measured out by actual "stats" and factual outcomes is so far below his hype level and expectation level. I am waiting for next season to see if I am indeed horrifically wrong. I am waiting to see if this particular player:

1)at the very least stays in the starting 6 with the new challenges and tougher situation of Stralman's entering the fray, Kronwall no longer being waiver-exempt and giving ultimatums, and Pilar's re-joining the fray. If he stays in the top 6 with these new challenges then I will concede being very wrong on that much, as this group of hurdles will be the biggest one he will have to overcome in solidfying his place in the starting 6 for as long as he is here.

2)preferably finally moves into the top 4 in TOI for a season. After all people keep telling me, "you are the only one who doesnt see he is a top 4" "you have to ask yourself why everyone but you sees he is top 4 on this team" "a healthy.....is always a top 4 on this team". I say the same thing "show me the ice time" and get "well I know he has less ice time but......" and I ask again "where is the ice time" and get "yeah he had less ice time but....." and I keep waiting for someone to show me the ice time. This player has been only 7th and 6th in TOI per game for the season, among players with double digit # of games in each of the last 2 seasons. So why is it so "unreasonable" for me to expect someone supposably in the top 4 at his postion on this team, according to almost everyone else here, to ever be in the top 4 in TOI for that position, on his team? This will be his 3rd season in the NHL in some capacity, isnt it about time by his 3rd go around that this "top 4" D man is actually "top 4" in TOI for once. Shouldnt logically a top 4 D man at some point be in the top 4 in ice time? Wouldnt it be strange if someone who people said was a top 6 forward on this team was always outside the top 6 in TOI for the season?

3)I suppose as an added bonus stays healthy 85-90% of the season but maybe that is hoping for too much. I will then say not losing his place on the depth chart every time he is injured, which the last 2 seasons happened every single time he was injured(2005-2006 to Kronwall, 2006-2007 to White until White also got injured).

If this particular player does #1 I will concede I was quite wrong, and if he does #1 and #2(and the realistic part of #3)then I will admit I was wrong to the highest degree. I know there is nothing wrong with admitting how very wrong you were on a player, and I want a player to show me how wrong I was on them before I do so.

All last year showed me was:

1)He is ahead of Wozniewski on the teams depth chart.
2)He somehow is still never able to be higher then 6th in ATOI for a season, nor ever able to be over Ian White, who everyone else deems inferior, in ATOI for a season.
3)He is pretty good at scoring goals, with a very good GPG ratio for a D man.
4)He is good at hits and likes to play physical.
5)He is still injured alot, including freakish little injuries too, which is very bad, but on a positive note I guess has mental toughness to try to fight through injuries.

know waht else they have in common? they AREN"T high 1st picks... if 1sts at all.

Exactly!

If wellwood had size or tremendous speed he would have been a top 5 pick. We got some of these guys where we did, because they had a flaw.

Any "complete package" hockey players will go in the top 5 of most drafts, top 10 if the draft is deep in "complete hockey players"

We haven't drafted in that position for a long time, so they are all going to have a minor blemish or two.

2)preferably finally moves into the top 4 in TOI for a season. After all people keep telling me, "you are the only one who doesnt see he is a top 4" "you have to ask yourself why everyone but you sees he is top 4 on this team" "a healthy.....is always a top 4 on this team". I say the same thing "show me the ice time" and get "well I know he has less ice time but......" and I ask again "where is the ice time" and get "yeah he had less ice time but....." and I keep waiting for someone to show me the ice time. This player has been only 7th and 6th in TOI per game for the season, among players with double digit # of games in each of the last 2 seasons. So why is it so "unreasonable" for me to expect someone supposably in the top 4 at his postion on this team, according to almost everyone else here, to ever be in the top 4 in TOI for that position, on his team? This will be his 3rd season in the NHL in some capacity, isnt it about time by his 3rd go around that this "top 4" D man is actually "top 4" in TOI for once. Shouldnt logically a top 4 D man at some point be in the top 4 in ice time? Wouldnt it be strange if someone who people said was a top 6 forward on this team was always outside the top 6 in TOI for the season?


How about this?

In the 42 games that both Carlo and White played in:

Total Ice time

Carlo: 757:17
Ian: 722:35

ATOI

Carlo: 18:02
Ian: 17:12

Games with more ice time than the other

Carlo: 24
Ian: 18

Note: 8 of White's games where he played more than Colaiacovo came in the first 10 games they played together, when it had been almost a year since Carlo had played an NHL game. (The stats not counting these games aren't even close)

Games in which one played more than 5 minutes more than the other

Carlo: 10
Ian: 4

So when both are healthy, its pretty clear who gets to play more.

If the player you are referring to is who I think it is then I will absolutely admit I was horrifically wrong about him when he proves to me I was horrifically wrong.

It's already happened, you just refuse to acknowledge it.

I really don't know about that comparison. I think Cola is much better at joining the rush. I see a little Brian Leetch in him, or Bryan Berard. However, with much better defensive capability than Berard, and Leetch in his earlier days. And his ability to hit men in open ice is great too, but he needs to pick his spots better, and I think he's improving on that.

All of that reminds me of a young McCabe. Probably further along defensively then McCabe was at his age, not by a ton though.

Colaiacova is much better then Newbery, or Kronwall at least.

Why does everyone say that Steen > Wellwood when it comes to future potential?

Because of his defensive game as well. His overall game is better then Welly's. Welly has a slight edge on offense but not by much. Steens speed and toughness is also much better then Welly's.

Maurice screwed up big time last season with Steen and better not make the same mistake this year.

It's already happened, you just refuse to acknowledge it.

Like I said, I will acknowledge it WHEN he(if he ever does that is):

1)at the very least stays in the starting 6 even with Stralman joining the mix, Kronwall no longer waiver exempt and giving ultimatums, Pilar joining the mix.

2)probably in addition to that, since it is others not I who make the "top 4" claim, which I have always refuted strongly, actually starts being in the top 4 in ATOI. After all he was only #7 and #6 the last 2 years, so he is the supposed top 4 D man who never is top 4 in ATOI. Shouldnt a so called top 4 D man actually be top 4 at his position in ice time at some point? Why is that such a hard thing to fathom happening, or to expect if that is really what he is.

I will acknowledge I am wrong on a particular player when it is shown that I am wrong. In the case of this particular player that has not happened yet, and wont happen until/unless the above happens.

How about this?

In the 42 games that both Carlo and White played in:

Total Ice time

Carlo: 757:17
Ian: 722:35

ATOI

Carlo: 18:02
Ian: 17:12

Games with more ice time than the other

Carlo: 24
Ian: 18

Note: 8 of White's games where he played more than Colaiacovo came in the first 10 games they played together, when it had been almost a year since Carlo had played an NHL game. (The stats not counting these games aren't even close)

Games in which one played more than 5 minutes more than the other

Carlo: 10
Ian: 4

So when both are healthy, its pretty clear who gets to play more.

I was not comparing Carlo specificaly to White. I was referring to his ATOI being only 7th or 6th highest of D men who played double digit games both of his seasons in the NHL, and saying it would be silly to acknowledge I was wrong on a player among other things being a "top 4" D man when his ATOI never reflects this. I was not meaning specificaly how his ice time compared to another player, I was meaning his ice time in general never reflecting this "top 4" role.

As an outsider, I think Steen will be the best from the bunch.

Kyle Wellwood can only dream to be 1/10 the player Oates ever was.

Oates is one of the best players of all time!!

Have you gone 15 years ahead of us all and seen his whole career before any of us have?

Have you gone 15 years ahead of us all and seen his whole career before any of us have?
It's prediction thread.

I think it's more the superstars that tend to have one or two major flaws in their game... albeit obviously offset by dramatic abilities in other areas.
I tend to look at very good 3rd liners as usually being very well rounded players, and the best example of a player without any real downsides.

Precious few top 6 forwards/top 4D-Man that I can think of are entirely without any aspects of their game that's below league average at the NHL level though.

Even guys like Crosby and Lidstrom have weaknesses though neither too significant. Ryan Smyth or to a lesser degree Joe Thornton might be the closest thing to a top tier NHL forward that's at least average in every conceivable way.

I'm not sure it's realistically possible for any player to be great in every respect. The absolute best players tend to have a handful of qualities that are simply inconcievably good (Ie. Gretzky) or a fairly large number of skills that are in the upper 5 percentile in the NHL and only a handful of areas that are slightly below average (Crosby would probably be a good modern example here).

Minus those handful virtually all stars in the NHL have some pretty dramatic downsides.

All comes down to to this, you can't be great at one thing if you try to be good at everything.

It's prediction thread.

I realize that, but to say Wellwood can only dream of being 1/10th of the player Oates was is pretty unfair to Wellwood. He has already proven he is a very capable 2nd line centre. If he had a healthy season he would have had about 70 points at his pace. Pretty good for a sophomore year. It's obvious the potential to be an Adam Oates type of player is there. I don't think anyone can deny that.

Who do you guys think is the best and will have the best career? Who has the best potential?

By the way, by Leafs young players I mean:

Alexander Steen
Kyle Wellwood
Carlo Colaiacova
Matt Stajan
Ian White

They are all pretty young and are our youth. Who do you guys think will have the best career? Potential? Score the most? Best players overall?

Whose the best?i think wellwood

How about this?

In the 42 games that both Carlo and White played in:

Total Ice time

Carlo: 757:17
Ian: 722:35

ATOI

Carlo: 18:02
Ian: 17:12

Games with more ice time than the other

Carlo: 24
Ian: 18

Note: 8 of White's games where he played more than Colaiacovo came in the first 10 games they played together, when it had been almost a year since Carlo had played an NHL game. (The stats not counting these games aren't even close)

Games in which one played more than 5 minutes more than the other

Carlo: 10
Ian: 4

So when both are healthy, its pretty clear who gets to play more.

Good work Deebo.:handclap:

Good work Deebo.:handclap:

Not that great. That theory would be excellent if the Leafs were still playing. The season was a dismal failure. Time to tinker with something. I am of the opinion that CC is the most overrated rookie in the recent history of the team...mostly due to the political correctness of playing a first round, Toronto native Italian descent hockey player. Like it or not...there is validity.

Alexander Steen
Kyle Wellwood
Carlo Colaiacova
Ian White
Matt Stajan

Not that great. That theory would be excellent if the Leafs were still playing. The season was a dismal failure. Time to tinker with something. I am of the opinion that CC is the most overrated rookie in the recent history of the team...mostly due to the political correctness of playing a first round, Toronto native Italian descent hockey player. Like it or not...there is validity.


If this team puts political correctness ahead of playing the best lineup possible then I don't want to be a fan of this team.

Not that great. That theory would be excellent if the Leafs were still playing. The season was a dismal failure. Time to tinker with something. I am of the opinion that CC is the most overrated rookie in the recent history of the team...mostly due to the political correctness of playing a first round, Toronto native Italian descent hockey player. Like it or not...there is validity.

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Yes, all the WOP's in Woodbridge are the reason why Carlo made the team. :biglaugh:

when will you acknowledge you're a schmuck who isn't going to live up to a debt to an organization who grants wishes for dying children?

:biglaugh: Now that's to the point.

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Yes, all the WOP's in Woodbridge are the reason why Carlo made the team. :biglaugh:

Andrew Coglaino too, damn wops :rant:

Who do you guys think is the best and will have the best career? Who has the best potential?

By the way, by Leafs young players I mean:

Alexander Steen
Kyle Wellwood
Carlo Colaiacova
Matt Stajan
Ian White

They are all pretty young and are our youth. Who do you guys think will have the best career? Potential? Score the most? Best players overall?

Whose the best?

I see all those players becoming good hockey players. Kyle though, will be great.