Get Lalime out of Ottawa please... [Archive]

SensGod

12-27-2003, 05:48 AM

Slick Rick, i dont know what that would cost you, prob we would have to expand a nice package deal involving multiple players.

are things that bad right now with Lalime? I saw him play the Isles once and was shocked at how poor he played. His positioning was horrible. That was a few months ago though.

I've seen Lalime play more good games so far this year than I can count on one hand...and the thumb doesn't count ;)

So far this season...his salary would have been better spent on getting a life time supply of skate laces for the team.

How about Lalime, Shastlivy and a 2nd for Dipietro and Kvasha?

Kvashinator12

12-27-2003, 05:51 AM

B.D. Gallof

12-27-2003, 05:59 AM

I think Lalime just needs a new goalie coach over there. Lets remember how good he is when he is on his game. 2 years ago, he was playing awful, and then got himself together for a great stretch run. Last year, he was awesome. This year, he's inconsistent again, but we are not even halfway yet. Senators would be better off getting a #2 goalie that pushes him...really pushes him for starters slot. Goalies can be had for a song...and moving Lalime would give little back for his true worth.

Good#2 goalies that can push for #1 spot with Lalime:

Garth Snow
Raycroft
Graheme
Biron
Zac Bierke
Brent Johnson

CREW99AW

12-27-2003, 05:59 AM

SensGod

12-27-2003, 06:00 AM

Why do the nyi want the struggling Lalime?Cause he's playing so well for the Sens? :D

and I doubt the nyi have any interest in Shastlivy.They have their own unproven,cheap forward prospects on the roster fighting for icetime.

You haven't offered one thing of value/interest.

True enough...I'm sorry...but after all...'Tis the season for giving ;)

CREW99AW

12-27-2003, 06:06 AM

True enough...I'm sorry...but after all...'Tis the season for giving ;)

:D

The seasons about 34/35 games old.Why has Shastlivy only appeared in 24 games?Has he been injured or spent part of the yr in the ahl?

SensGod

12-27-2003, 06:09 AM

:D

The seasons about 34/35 games old.Why has Shastlivy only appeared in 24 games?Has he been injured or spent part of the yr in the ahl?

He's on a one way contract...so he's been riding the press box.

With Varada hurt...he's gotten playing time. He's been very enigmatic this year. He's got an amazing wrister and all the skills to be an NHL sniper...he just won't engage physically and shy's away from contact like a hand model in a pub brawl.

Aerolanche

12-27-2003, 09:35 AM

I'll take Lalime any day of the week, he is an awesome goaltender.

Disgraced Cosmonaut

12-27-2003, 09:49 AM

I've seen Lalime play more good games so far this year than I can count on one hand...and the thumb doesn't count ;)

So far this season...his salary would have been better spent on getting a life time supply of skate laces for the team.

How about Lalime, Shastlivy and a 2nd for Dipietro and Kvasha?

I said this* about Lalime last year when he was doing well. (*"this" - Lalime is not a starter with the goods to take Ottawa to the promised land. He'll let them down somewhere in the playoffs.) But then, I've never been impressed with him. Prusek on the other hand has seemed pretty solid in the few Isles games I've seen him play.

As for your proposal, please no. Thankfully you picked the two guys upon whom MM is pinning all of his hopes so I don't think this will happen. I say Kvasha breaks 50 points this year. DP is the not too distant future.

Brock

12-27-2003, 10:00 AM

There is no point for the Sens to pick up a young goalie because they've got one of the best goaltending prospects in the league in the minors. Ray Emery could start as early as next year IMO, if he got some work this year.

SpyderZombie

12-27-2003, 11:38 AM

There's always CuJo.....

B.D. Gallof

12-27-2003, 11:45 AM

Lalime will be starting goaltender all year. If anything does change, it will be coaching.

SensGod

12-27-2003, 11:49 AM

Lalime will be starting goaltender all year. If anything does change, it will be coaching.

I highly doubt that Jacques Martin can be held accountable for Lalime playing like a peewee goalie. If anything happens...a trade will go down before Jacques Martin leaves Ottawa.

SensGod

12-27-2003, 11:50 AM

I'll take Lalime any day of the week, he is an awesome goaltender.

Cool! Who you sending our way...the Swiss Miss or Sauve?

SensGod

12-27-2003, 11:51 AM

There's always CuJo.....

Money is the only reason I can't consider this seriously. Mind you...the idea has been bouncing around in my head.

Frank Finnigan

12-27-2003, 11:53 AM

Ok...let's hear the proposals...we need a starter back...

There is no chance that Ottawa will get another starting goaltender this season. It wouldn't make any sense to go after someone else. There is nobody out there that is available that would be able to take Ottawa to the finals on his back.

Lalime isn't awful. His play has been inconsistent this year. Although I am not impressed with his play, I have to say that he isn't the only Senator that has been less than impressive. In many games this season, the team has failed to put in an effort for the full 60 minutes. But the thing is, aside from a handful of games, they have still been in most contests. We have to be patient in a sense and hope that a lot of the problems work themselves out. The only way I see Lalime breaking out of his slump - and I use the word slump for the lack of a better work - is to play through it.

The only goaltender in the league that I would really want to get would be Martin Brodeur, and he is never going to be available.

aRt wEst tomf00lery

12-27-2003, 11:56 AM

I know you said you want a starter and this doesn't include one, but how about Lalime and Shastlivy for Laraque and Chimera?

zoidberg

12-27-2003, 11:57 AM

I'll give you Turek for 3 magic beans. Scratch that, they don't have to be magic. Kidney beans.

B.D. Gallof

12-27-2003, 11:58 AM

i see more on this team not working besides lackluster goaltending. attitude, lackluster play...almost Ranger-like laziness versus subpar teams. sorry, losing is a team effort...and this team, under the gaze of expectation, is wilting. either they shape up, or a coaching move will be made, not a goalie move. This is my humble opinion, obviously.

st_roland

12-27-2003, 11:59 AM

Cool! Who you sending our way...the Swiss Miss or Sauve?

How about swiss miss, boychuk and a 3rd?

xtra

12-27-2003, 12:11 PM

Headberg and Denis Grot for lalime.

Peter Griffin

12-27-2003, 01:00 PM

I'll give you Turek for 3 magic beans. Scratch that, they don't have to be magic. Kidney beans.

The most you'd get is Lima beans...

SJSharksFan

12-27-2003, 02:08 PM

Nabokov, Thornton and Dimitrakos
for
Lalime, Havlat and a 4th?

:dunno:
I am bad with offers :joker:

Vyse

12-27-2003, 02:35 PM

lalime for salo
one bad goalie for another how about it :joker:

anyway wouldn't it be best just to stick with Lalime, are you sure there isn't some kind of minor injury that has held Lalime back this season?

ginnungagap

12-27-2003, 06:23 PM

I thought Ottawa had that new zillionaire owner- with Cujo really starting to play well (probably the best he has in a Wing's uniform) could there be any interest? I guess it would make for an easier starting point if Ottawa had any glaring salaries they'd like to dump.

The Mars Volchenkov

12-27-2003, 06:31 PM

I doubt Lalime will be traded. I’d rather they just give Prusek or Emery a shot and let Lalime watch the young guys play and hopefully that will motivate him.

Hawkalyzer

12-27-2003, 06:54 PM

crappy proposal

to OTT: Thibault, Shamnov, Krapot, and enough money to pay all their salaries

to CHI: Schastlivy

id ask for a lot more had i not thrown in krapot, but since Krapot+our 1st=Det's 2nd, i can only ask for little in return

Johannes Climacus

12-27-2003, 07:03 PM

How about Sebastien Caron?

He's shaping up to be a pretty good goalie, and the guy here for the future is Fleury.

That said goalies are something that you keep if you get a good one, and until Fleury really establishes himself in the NHL, I doubt Caron goes anywhere, because he's young, cheap, and servicable (also signed for four years.)

I'd love to see Havlat in a Pens jersey, but that's just a pipe dream...

12-27-2003, 07:19 PM

Burke anyone?

The yotes would be asking for Volchenkov

To Phoenix: Lalime, Volchenkov
To Ottawa: Burke, Radivojevic

Frolov

12-27-2003, 07:23 PM

How about something centering around Cechmanek for Lalime with some minor things thrown in to even it out.

The Mars Volchenkov

12-27-2003, 07:31 PM

How about something centering around Cechmanek for Lalime with some minor things thrown in to even it out.
I have a hard time believe the Sens would be after Cechmanek considering what they’ve done to him in the playoffs the last two years.

SensGod

12-27-2003, 09:47 PM

Burke anyone?

The yotes would be asking for Volchenkov

To Phoenix: Lalime, Volchenkov
To Ottawa: Burke, Radivojevic

Sorry...but you are joking right? Volchenkov...riiiiiiiiiight.

SensGod

12-27-2003, 09:48 PM

I have a hard time believe the Sens would be after Cechmanek considering what they’ve done to him in the playoffs the last two years.

Sure...the Sens have done things to him...but right now...I'd rather have anyone but Lalime in net...Imagine Chokemanek with the Sens defence...might be a different story...

G-Double

12-27-2003, 10:17 PM

Go with Emery, he's gonna be the man...

Epsilon

12-27-2003, 11:34 PM

Burke anyone?

The yotes would be asking for Volchenkov

To Phoenix: Lalime, Volchenkov
To Ottawa: Burke, Radivojevic

Phoenix gets the best player and best prospect in the deal, that's atrocious. Burke is a downgrade from Lalime in just about every way (age, cost, playoff experience, etc.).

12-28-2003, 12:43 AM

[QUOTE=Epsilon] downgrade from Lalime QUOTE]

Thats a big negative bud
What Ottawa needs is consistancy

Ill throw in Suchy if you really must....

Ajacied

12-28-2003, 01:48 AM

[QUOTE=Epsilon] downgrade from Lalime QUOTE]

Thats a big negative bud
What Ottawa needs is consistancy

Ill throw in Suchy if you really must....

Not to nitpick as an outside fan, but Burke, as much as I like him, would not be worth that package, Radijovic doesn't excite me either. In all honesty, right now, Burke's value is floating around a decent 2nd round draft pick but his eventual value depends on 2 factors: The better he starts to play prior to the trade deadline, and how the need for netminders is, at the very same time. Will Aebischer totally break? Will the Flyers accept and forgive Hackett's softies? Lalime still playing below par by then? And if all this is in Burke's favor, his value still wouldn't command much. A very late 1st rounder would be my best bet.

Old and somewhat prone netminders, making decent money and are way too inexperienced for their age in the playoffs, simply do not get much in today's market. To top it off, isn't Burke an UFA either at the end of this, or next season? But that doesn't downgrades his value that much anyway, as the team in question would only aquire them for a playoff push, and eventual stanley cup run in the first place, they'd probably let him walk the season after it anyways.

Roman Cechmanek only got a 2nd round draft pick and I think his value was quite higher at the time, then Burke's value is now.

If you want, a younger, cheaper and more experienced top 10 netminder in Patrick Lalime, you'd have to do a heck of a lot better then that. I couldn't care how inconsistant Lalime's been so far, he's a proven and consistant playoff performer at a young age, those are exceptional rare and I'd bet my nuts on it that you couldn't even land him with a fair offer. However, if you do want Lalime, here's a proposal of true worth without any bias mixing it up, note that I've expand it a bit with some big names, probably considered untouchable by either party, but what the heck:

To Ottawa:
Sean Burke
Ladislav Nagy
Branko Radivojevic
Tyson Nash

To Phoenix:
Patrik Lalime
Martin Havlat
Petr Schastlivy

Sens get a different netminder that might prove to be the difference.
Yotes get a younger starter who's age and calibre fits in perfectly.

Sens adress their biggest weakness, a quality, yet young scoring left winger.
Yotes turn Nagy into Havlat, pretty lateral, for expcet positions.

Sens get Radivojevic, a rightwinger that might fill in some of the void Havlat left.
Yotes get Schastlivy, talented sniper that could replace some of Nagy's skills and attributes.

Sens also get a feisty pest in Nash, might be a force when they play the Tuckers in may.

There, you may not like it, I already know you don't, but just a fun proposal that actually works if you look at it closer.

SensGod

12-28-2003, 05:34 AM

To Ottawa:
Sean Burke
Ladislav Nagy
Branko Radivojevic
Tyson Nash

To Phoenix:
Patrik Lalime
Martin Havlat
Petr Schastlivy

**PAGING JOHN MUCKLER**

God I hope he reads these boards.

I really like that trade...guess the Yotes fans will hate it.

Craven Morehead

12-28-2003, 06:58 AM

**PAGING JOHN MUCKLER**

God I hope he reads these boards.

I really like that trade...guess the Yotes fans will hate it.

The only problem I have with Sean Burke is that he hasn't won a playoff series since 1988 (has he won another since???), whereas Patrick Lalime has won 3 series combined in the last 2 years. Who really is the better goalie??? That trade proposal is intriguing I guess, as a Sens fan, you'd have to be stupid not to consider it, but Lalime is better then Burke.

SabresRule

12-28-2003, 07:10 AM

SABRES!!!!!!!!!!!

Noronen + 2nd.

Lalime

Volchenkov

12-28-2003, 07:49 AM

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

What is the big deal with Lalime's play?? So what he's been inconsistent this season - so has Daniel Alfredsson. Nobody wanted to trade Chara after his poor performance last season. The last time the sens traded away their starting goalie for a supposed "upgrade" in barasso it backfired as they would have been better off keeping tugnutt. Lalime is a very good playoff goalie, which is the only time the sens really need a goalie. I remember the year the Red Wings tore up the regular season and won the president's trophy by a mile but ended up losing in the first or second round. The next season they didn't have such a hot regular season (by Red Wings standards) and won the cup. The sens are going to be in the top 4 in the conference, most likely in the top 3. Is there such a big difference between 1/2 and 3/4 that you want to screw up the chemistry of the team? Lalime is an integral part of this team's playoff success. Why in the world would we trade him away? If we really wanted to give him a push, why not just start Prusek for a bunch of games? Don't be a bandwagon fan who is swayed by the performance of 30 games.

Don Draper

12-28-2003, 12:14 PM

Most of the time Volchenkov, i tend to think of your comments as subpar, and your trade proposals suspect at best. With saying that though, I dont think I could possibly agree with you more on this one. I love how Lalime went from a potential Vezina candidate to "lalime for a bag of pucks." I mean honestly, would it be possibly to stay on your teams bandwagon long enough to make sure you dont sprain your ankle doing the hop so many times. If the Sens are going to win the cup, heck, if they are going to win a playoff series, its going to be Lalime leading them there. There is no way you can possibly load up this garbage about lalilme and not realize how necessary he is to our success. The Sens didnt win despite Lalime last year, nor are they losing this year because of his play. With some more consistant play in front of him, he is only going to flourish.

SensGod

12-28-2003, 01:36 PM

I mean honestly, would it be possibly to stay on your teams bandwagon long enough to make sure you dont sprain your ankle doing the hop so many times.

I'm not hopping off of anything...other than the Lalime train for now. I'm a dedicated Sens fan who's sick and tired of watching Lalime make 4th line pluggers look like Ilya Kovalchuk.

If the Sens are going to win the cup, heck, if they are going to win a playoff series, its going to be Lalime leading them there.

He's done it in the past. No arguing that. He's also played consistantly during the regular season in the past. No arguing that either, otherwise Vezina wouldn't be in the vocabulary.

He's SUCKED this year...no denying that. He's looking like a 3rd string ECHL goalie at this point so far in the season.

In the past...a good regular season from Lalime has equalled a good showing in the playoffs...do the math.

There is no way you can possibly load up this garbage about lalilme and not realize how necessary he is to our success. The Sens didnt win despite Lalime last year, nor are they losing this year because of his play. With some more consistant play in front of him, he is only going to flourish.

The play in front of him is fine. Sure they make mistakes...but that's what a goalie is for. The last line of defence. The defensive core held Ilya Kovalchuk...the leading shot taker in the league to 1 shot today. The shots Lalime faced today were from 3rd and 4th line pluggers...and he let 2 softies go in........again. The only reason we won today was because their goalie had an off day. Otherwise the score would have been 2-0 for the Thrashers.

The players are losing or have lost confidence in Lalime to keep them in games. Just look at our pathetic record this year in 1 goal games. These are games that a good goalie wins for you...and bad one's lose.

Mind you...if Lalime finds his old form back...I'll be the first one to praise him...but only after he proves to me that he can do it day in and day out on a consistant basis like he's done in the past.

Maybe I'm just expecting too much from him? Is that it maybe?

Volchenkov

12-28-2003, 01:41 PM

Vlad The Impaler

12-28-2003, 04:28 PM

That's weird. I could swear someone started a thread a couple of months ago saying Cloutier and lalime ain't that great and people freaking out and being offended :D

Stephen

12-28-2003, 05:18 PM

To Ottawa

Sean Burke
Ladislav Nagy
Branko Radivojevic
Tyson Nash

To Phoenix

Patrik Lalime
Martin Havlat
Petr Schastlivy

Not going to work. Ottawa MIGHT be getting an upgrade in goal, but its temporary, since Burke is a dinosaur. Havlat is having a quiet year, but his long term potential is way superior to Nagy's. The benefits of Rad and Nash for Schastlivy hardly make up for the losses of Havlat and Lalime.

Sammy*

12-28-2003, 06:15 PM

That's weird. I could swear someone started a thread a couple of months ago saying Cloutier and lalime ain't that great and people freaking out and being offended :D
Yeah, imagine those idiots getting all upset. That Lalime piece of crap was within a hair of helping his team beat the eventual Stanley Cup champs last year & had a 2.16 avg during the year & has a 2.19 avg now. In the last 2 years in the playoffs he had a 1.39 & 1.82 avg.
Yep, those people freaking out were sure off their rocker there bud.

Peter Griffin

12-28-2003, 06:23 PM

That's weird. I could swear someone started a thread a couple of months ago saying Cloutier and lalime ain't that great and people freaking out and being offended :D

What's wrong with Cloutier? For that matter, what's wrong with Lalime? Are goalies not allowed to go through slumps like other players? :dunno:

DrHockeyMD

12-28-2003, 07:23 PM

2003 OTT 25 24 1483 11 10 4 1 54 2.19 582 528 .907 1

I fail to see the degrading statistic here. We have a great GAA, a respectable save percentage, and you can't blame all 10 losses on your goalie. I agree with Vol up there... it seems that people are jumping the gun without any basis. So what if he has a few bad games; it's doomed to happen. It looks to me like he's doing good this season and will only get better.

12-28-2003, 09:39 PM

Havlat is having a quiet year, but his long term potential is way superior to Nagy's.

Hows that?

Vlad The Impaler

12-29-2003, 06:50 AM

Yeah, imagine those idiots getting all upset. That Lalime piece of crap was within a hair of helping his team beat the eventual Stanley Cup champs last year & had a 2.16 avg during the year & has a 2.19 avg now. In the last 2 years in the playoffs he had a 1.39 & 1.82 avg.
Yep, those people freaking out were sure off their rocker there bud.

I was going to put you on my ignore list but it's a lot more fun when you're around.

Going to sound very akward but the fact you're remarkably dense lightens me up!

Keep it up!

Egil

12-29-2003, 07:24 AM

Hows that?

1) Havlat, for a Holdout, is doing VERY well. Gaborik (who most would consider a better player than Havlat) has a meager 10 pts in 24 games, Havlat has 21 in 27 games, which ain't too shabby.

2) Havlat is 2 years younger than Nagy. At Havlat's age, Nagy was picking up 42 pts in 74 games. Havlat, despite the holdout, will still easily surpass that this season. This is the first season that Nagy has outperformed Havlat, despite the 2 year age difference. I, personally take the 3 years of data over the 35 games of data, but you are free to lurch around in the present.

Now, as for trading Lalime, it ain't going to happen. Their isn't a goalie available who would be an upgrade from Lalime (Burke isn't better, neither is Joseph). We really are "stuck" with him. Due to the fact that we are confortably in a playoff spot, we have the luxury of easily wating out these struggles, and letting the playoffs roll around. He also had his best postseason after a subpar regular season, and he has ALWAYS brought it come playoff time. His numbers are exceptional when it comes to the postseason ( 1.72 GAA, 0.930 sv%), so I think the patient approach is the key....

Sammy*

12-29-2003, 07:45 AM

I was going to put you on my ignore list but it's a lot more fun when you're around.

Going to sound very akward but the fact you're remarkably dense lightens me up!

Keep it up!
Hey , great insight. Must have taken your lithium today.
BTW, when are you taking your ball & going home to mommys basement (again)?

dats-13

12-29-2003, 06:52 PM

i want deveraux out of detroit so...

From Detroit:
Deveraux

From Ottawa:
1st round pick,Hossa,Alfredsson,Chara,Spezza,future considerations

DrHockeyMD

12-29-2003, 10:01 PM

Typical Red Wings fan.

dats-13

12-30-2003, 05:57 AM

it was a joke Dr Deuschbag

Habsaku

12-30-2003, 08:14 AM

Maybe the Sens would want to look at Mathieu Garon and Marcel Hossa? It wouldn't cost too much I would think and it would be a great deal.

No Lalime in MTL though, only Prusek.

AvsGuy

12-30-2003, 09:49 AM

TO COLORADO:

Patrick Lalime, Shane Hnidy

TO OTTAWA:

Phillipe Sauve, Martin Skoula, Florida's 2nd rounder in 2004

I still think the Avs run away with that one, but SensGod is on a mission, so...

SensGod

12-30-2003, 10:13 AM

TO COLORADO:

Patrick Lalime, Shane Hnidy

TO OTTAWA:

Phillipe Sauve, Martin Skoula, Florida's 2nd rounder in 2004

I still think the Avs run away with that one, but SensGod is on a mission, so...

You know what? That's not half bad actually. We get rid of The Sherrif Hnidy and get Mr. Puck Poise back.

I personally think that Sauve will be a MUCH better goalie than Lalime down the road to boot.

Patty Ice

12-30-2003, 10:22 AM

it was a joke Dr Deuschbag

Heheheh...one word: brilliant. The funniest thing Ive read on here inawhile.

BlueAndWhite

12-30-2003, 10:24 AM

I personally think that Sauve will be a MUCH better goalie than Lalime down the road to boot.

You really don't like Lalime do you ?

Beukeboom Fan

12-30-2003, 10:27 AM

1) Havlat, for a Holdout, is doing VERY well. Gaborik (who most would consider a better player than Havlat) has a meager 10 pts in 24 games, Havlat has 21 in 27 games, which ain't too shabby.

2) Havlat is 2 years younger than Nagy. At Havlat's age, Nagy was picking up 42 pts in 74 games. Havlat, despite the holdout, will still easily surpass that this season. This is the first season that Nagy has outperformed Havlat, despite the 2 year age difference. I, personally take the 3 years of data over the 35 games of data, but you are free to lurch around in the present.

Now, as for trading Lalime, it ain't going to happen. Their isn't a goalie available who would be an upgrade from Lalime (Burke isn't better, neither is Joseph). We really are "stuck" with him. Due to the fact that we are confortably in a playoff spot, we have the luxury of easily wating out these struggles, and letting the playoffs roll around. He also had his best postseason after a subpar regular season, and he has ALWAYS brought it come playoff time. His numbers are exceptional when it comes to the postseason ( 1.72 GAA, 0.930 sv%), so I think the patient approach is the key....

1) I agree the basis of this thread is a joke. There isn't an upgrade on Lalime (that's available).

2) I disagree on the whole Havlat is easily better than Nagy bit. They are both great players, but Nagy has REALLY impressed me this year. Havlat is younger, which means he might continue to develop and surpass Nagy, but his potential is not "far superiour" to Nagy's at this point. In other words, OTT should be thrilled if Havlat turns into what Nagy is right now.