Atd#7 Minor League Draft

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VanIslander
06-19-2007, 07:16 PM
ATD#7 MINOR LEAGUE DRAFT

Eight teams will make the playoffs and partake in a three-round league championship. As well, there will be an all-star team of 1LW, 1RW, 1C, 2D, 1G voted on after the regular season as well as the six-man Call-up Team of players who don't belong in the minors, promoted to the top league. It's very possible that one team can win the championship without any all-star or call-up quality players.

G.M.s will have to decide when to draft a player deserving of all-time recognition and when to draft players who fit a role on a balanced championship team. It's an open question whether it's better for a minor league team to select the best players available (in the interest of scouting for the parent club/organization) or the best performing team now (limited upside, line chemistry, clearly minor leaguers).

Draft has begun!. 7:19 p.m. eastern time Friday.

Trading begins now.

The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 3 goalies, 7 defensemen, 13 forwards and a coach.

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed.

The time limit is now 12 hours for your double picks.
Make the picks together: no splitting of the time clock. As soon as any pick is made the time window shifts to the next team, even if a pick is left to be made, it could be made up as a skipped pick.
Add a description, some stats or a link to your posted pick.
You must PM the next GM after your selection.

Any player from any league or era are eligible as long as they were not drafted in the ATD#7 click here and use control-f to check (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=377591). As soon as a pick is posted, the next team's clock will begin even if an ineligible player is chosen: the pick will simply be made up as soon as possible.

Player selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future, though it's understood that as a minor league team there is some projection involved, especially with players whose careers were cut short by injury.

Absolutely no dropping of players: once drafted they are drafted, but players could be traded if team needs change. At the end of the draft a team could pick up an undrafted UFA and simply discard a draft pick.

Draft order:

Round 1:

1. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Joe Watson (d)
2. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Barry Pederson (c)
3. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Yuri Liapkin (d)
4. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Gerry McNeil (g)
5. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Mike McPhee (lw)
6. wisent - Anyang Halla - Anatoli Tarasov (coach)
7. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Pit Lepine (c)
8. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Anton Stastny (lw)
9. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Wilfred McDonald (d)
10. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Rod Seiling (d)
11. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Clint Smith (c/lw)

Round 2:

12. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Herb Cain (lw)
13. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Doug Bodger (d)
14. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Frank Finnigan (rw)
15. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Marian Stastny (rw)
16. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Yevgeny Paladiev (d)
17. wisent - Anyang Halla - Vladimir Shadrin (c)
18. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Dickie Boon (d)
19. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Glen Harmon (d)
20. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Tumba Johansson (c)
21. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Marc Tardif (lw)
22. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Kjell Samuelsson (d)

Round 3:

23. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Jeff Beukeboom (d)
24. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Ryan Getzlaf (c)
25. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Pekka Rautakallio (d)
26. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Frank Patrick (d)
27. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Pavel Datsyuk (c)
28. wisent - Anyang Halla - Boris Mayorov (lw)
29. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Jose Theodore (g)
30. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Daniel Sedin (lw)
31. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Art Chapman (c)
32. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Camille Henry (lw)
33. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Hobey Baker (d)

Round 4:

34. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Bronco Horvath (c)
35. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Pit Martin (c)
36. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Jeff Brown (d)
37. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Henrik Sedin (c)
38. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Ilya Kovalchuk (lw)
39. wisent - Anyang Halla - Don Awrey (d)
40. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Steve Chiasson (d)
41. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Andy Hebenton (rw)
42. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Ab McDonald (lw)
43. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Greg Adams (lw)
44. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Tony McKegney (lw)

Round 5:

45. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Blaine Stoughton (rw)
46. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Vyacheslav Kozlov (lw)
47. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Zigmund Palffy (rw)
48. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Murray Oliver (c)
49. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Ray Ferraro (rw)
50. wisent - Anyang Halla - Vyacheslav Anisin (c)
51. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Dennis Kearns (d)
52. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Al Arbour (d)
53. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Corb Denneny (rw)
54. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Don Lever (lw)
55. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Stephane Richer (rw)

Round 6:

56. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Pierre Larouche (c)
57. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Dmitri Yushkevich (d)
58. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Ed Sandford (lw)
59. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Kimmo Timonen (d)
60. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Kent Douglas (d)
61. wisent - Anyang Halla - Darius Kasparaitis (d)
62. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Jonathan Cheechoo (rw)
63. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Fred Stanfield (lw)
64. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Normand Rochefort (d)
65. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Rick Nash (lw)
66. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Brenden Morrow (lw)

Round 7:

67. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Shane Doan (rw)
68. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Robyn Regehr (d)
69. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Simon Gagne (lw)
70. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Mike Walton (c)
71. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Richard Matvichuk (d)
72. wisent - Anyang Halla - Alexei Gusarov (d)
73. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Pavol Demitra (rw)
74. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Dave Gagne (c)
75. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Gilles Marotte (d)
76. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Kelly Hrudey (g)
77. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Metro Prystai (c)

Round 8:

78. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Garry Galley (d)
79. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Brian Rafalski (d)
80. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Bob Plager (d)
81. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Zarley Zalapski (d)
82. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Ron Stackhouse (d)
83. wisent - Anyang Halla - Bengt-Ake Gustafsson (c/rw)
84. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Félix Potvin (g)
85. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Danny Lewicki (lw)
86. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - John Hutton (g)
87. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Bill Goldsworthy (rw)
88. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Mike Rogers (c)

Round 9:

89. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Risto Siltanen (d)
90. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Dave Langevin (d)
91. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Bryan Marchment (d)
92. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Doug Barkley (d)
93. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Bruce Stuart (c)
94. wisent - Anyang Halla - Henrik Zetterberg (lw)
95. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Dave Christian (rw)
96. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Glenn Murray (rw)
97. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Gord Roberts (lw)
98. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Ulf Dahlen (rw)
99. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Jim Pappin (rw)

Round 10:

100. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Murray Murdoch (lw)
101. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Reggie Lemelin (g)
102. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Wally Hergesheimer (rw)
103. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Dwayne Roloson (g)
104. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Rene Robert (rw)
105. wisent - Anyang Halla - Yevgeny Mayorov (lw)
106. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Alexei Yashin (c)
107. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Leo Labine (rw)
108. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Adam Deadmarsh (rw)
109. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Rejean Houle (rw)
110. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Gilles Meloche (g)

Round 11:

111. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Dave Balon (lw)
112. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Fredrik Olausson (d)
113. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Jason Allison (c)
114. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Dan Maloney (lw)
115. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Roman Hamrlik (d)
116. wisent - Anyang Halla - Marcus Ragnarsson (d)
117. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Jay Wells (d)
118. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Michael Nylander (c)
119. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Dick Irvin Sr. (c)
120. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Scott Gomez (c)
121. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Doug Crossman (d)

Round 12:

122. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Bob Murray (d)
123. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Thomas Gradin (c)
124. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Cesare Maniago (g)
125. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Aaron Ward (d)
126. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Dave Schultz (lw)
127. wisent - Anyang Halla - Chris Oddleifson (rw)
128. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Shawn Chambers (d)
129. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Bobby Schmautz (rw)
130. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Real Cloutier (rw)
131. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Randy Gregg (d)
132. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Syl Apps, Jr. (c)

Round 13:

133. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - John Van Boxmeer (d)
134. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Steve Payne (lw)
135. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Mikael Renberg (rw)
136. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Paul Shmyr (d)
137. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Kelly Buchberger (rw)
138. wisent - Anyang Halla - - Ed Olczyk (c)
139. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Saku Koivu (c)
140. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Pat Quinn coach
141. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Albert Leduc (d)
142. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Stu Barnes (F)
143. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Gordie Roberts (d)

Round 14:

144. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Dan Bouchard (g)
145. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Alex Kovalev (rw)
146. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Rusty Crawford (lw)
147. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Darren Puppa (g)
148. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Alex Smith (d)
149. wisent - Anyang Halla - Byron Defoe (g)
150. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Ken Hitchcock coach
151. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Mush March (rw)
152. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Reggie Fleming (d/f)
153. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Don Beaupre (g)
154. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Rick Green (d)

Note: You only have to show up twice or three times a week and make (make-up) your picks. It's not so urgent to draft in order (okay to skip sometimes) because judgements in the minor league draft will be all over the place.

** To assist with the busy summer schedules we all have, the last ten rounds will be doubled up (two picks per round starting round 15: 15/16, 17/18, 19/20, 21/22, 23/24) and the time window for your combined double picks per round will be 12 hours.

Rounds 15/16:

155. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Ethan Moreau (lw)
156. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Patrick Flatley (rw)
157. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Dave Maloney (d)
158. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Ivan Boldirev (c)
159. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Rich Sutter (rw)
160. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Ron Sutter (c)
161. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Don Raleigh (c)
162. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Leo Reise Sr. (d)
163. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Dave Lowry (lw)
164. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Tony Granato (w)
165. wisent - Anyang Halla - Yuri Shatalov (d)
166. wisent - Anyang Halla - Shjon Podein (lw)
167. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Scott Young (rw)
168. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Steve Konowalchuk (lw)
169. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Al MacAdam (w)
170. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Dallas Drake (lw)
171. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Jack Adams (c)
172. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - George Hay (lw)
173. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Michel Larocque (g)
174. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Tim Young (c)
175. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Gilles Gilbert (g)
176. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Billy Coutu (d)

Round 17/18:

177. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Carol Wilson (rw)
178. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Tommy Dunderdale (c)
179. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Pierre Mondou (c/lw)
180. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Gregg Sheppard (lw/c)
181. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Paul Ronty (c)
182. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Frank Boucher coach
183. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Mike O'Connell (d)
184. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Mario Marois (d)
185. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Laurie Boschman (c)
186. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Keith Acton (c)
187. wisent - Anyang Halla - Tomas Vokoun (g)
188. wisent - Anyang Halla - Fredrik Modin (lw)
189. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Steve Rucchin (c)
190. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Adrian Aucoin (d)
191. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Errol Thompson (lw)
192. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Lou Fontinato (d)
193. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Frank Patrick coach
194. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Lee Fogolin Sr. (d)
195. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Keith Crowder (rw)
196. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Mike Babcock coach
197. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Brian Kilrea coach
198. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Charlie Burns (c)

Rounds 19/20:

199. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Lorne Carr (rw)
200. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Gary Smith (g)
201. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Cully Dahlstrom (c)
202. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Gilles Villemure (g)
203. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Guy Hebert (g)
204. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Lee Fogolin Jr. (d)
205. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Don Simmons (g)
206. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Rudy Pilous coach
207. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Garth Butcher (d)
208. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Tommy Salo (g)
209. wisent - Anyang Halla - Alexander Sidelnikov (g)
210. wisent - Anyang Halla - Mud Bruneteau (rw)
211. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Jiri Crha (g)
212. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Alain Vigneault coach
213. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Ray Emery (g)
214. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Russ Courtnall (rw)
215. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Bob Turner (d)
216. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Harry Oliver (rw)
217. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Scott Hannan (d)
218. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Jyrki Lumme (d)
219. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Paul Holmgren (rw)
220. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Chris Phillips (d)

Round 21/22:

221. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Odie Cleghorne coach
222. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Dennis Hextall (lw)
223. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Petr Klima (w)
224. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Mike Krushelnyski (lw/c)
225. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Don Sweeney (d)
226. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Jake Forbes (g)
227. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Aaron Broten (c)
228. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Kelly Miller (lw)
229. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Jim Carey (g)
230. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Oldrich Machac (d)
231. wisent - Anyang Halla - Don Saleski (rw)
232. wisent - Anyang Halla - Al Dewsbury (d)
233. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Mark Johnson (c)
234. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Dave Reid (lw)
235. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Red Sullivan (c)
236. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Bert Lindsay (g)
237. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Rob Neidermayer (c)
238. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Joey Kocur (rw)
239. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Bob Sauve (g)
240. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Willie Huber (d)
241. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Mike Bullard (c)
242. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Herb Carnegie (c)

Rounds 23/24:

243. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Jay Bouwmeester (d)
244. God Bless Canada & Murphy - Estevan Strippers - Jocelyn Thibault (g)
245. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Rich Preston (rw)
246. spitfire11 - Windsor Bulldogs - Tom Laidlaw (d)
247. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Pierre Bouchard (d)
248. raleh & arrbez - Springfield Ice-o-topes - Bob Froese (g)
249. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Warren Godfrey (d)
250. pappyline - Whitby Dunlops - Bert Wilson (lw)
251. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Ray Sheppard (rw)
252. cottonking - Omaha Icebreakers - Roman Turek (g)
253. wisent - Anyang Halla - Lubomir Visnovsky (d)
254. wisent - Anyang Halla - Nikolay Drozdetsky (rw)
255. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Toni Tanti (lw)
256. vancityluongo & kruezer - Vancouver Giants - Tim Hunter (rw)
257. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Randy McKay (rw)
258. shawnmullin - Nelson Leafs - Garth Boesch (d)
259. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Dave Trottier (w)
260. pitseleh - Quebec Bulldogs - Bill Beveridge (g)
261. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Lyle Odelein (d)
262. VanIslander & Hockey Outsider - Penticton Vees - Billy Reay coach
263. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Stan Jonathan (w)
264. MXD & Eagle Belfour - Syracuse Bulldogs - Rick Wamsley (g)


List of Players Called Up to the Big League

Voting was clear with goaltending, defense and coaching, close with centres and left wing and tied at right wing. These men would likely be called up to be on the parent club (so congratulations! :clap:)

The Call-Up List

Ken Hitchcock, coach
Cottonking's Omaha Icebreakers

Gerry McNeil, goaltender
pappyline's Whitby Dunlops

Rod Seiling, defense
Hockey Outsider and VanIslander's Penticton Vees

Joe Watson, defense
GBC and Murphy's Estevan Strippers

Tumba Johansson, centre
raleh & arrbez's Springfield Ice-o-topes

Dave Schultz, left wing
vancityluongo & kruezer's Vancouver Giants

Bill Goldsworthy, right wing (TIE)
spitfire11's Windsor Bulldogs

Frank Finnigan, right wing (TIE)
pitseleh's Quebec Bulldogs

Honorable Mention:
(somewhat believed worthy of being called up to the main draft league)

Syracuse's Prystai (c), Anyang's Awrey (d), Springfield's Liapkin (d), Kocur (rw), and Palffy (rw), Estevan's Morrow (lw), Omaha's Granato (lw), Penticton's Hrudey (g), Henry (lw), and Martin (c), Whitby's Labine (rw) and Harmon (d), Quebec's Chapman (c) and McDonald (d), Windsor's Pederson (c), Vancouver's Lepine (c).


Minor League MVP Hart Trophy winner:

Yuri Liapkin, defense
Springfield Ice-o-Topes

ML MVP Finalists:

Corb Denneny, wing
Quebec Bulldogs

Pit Martin, centre
Penticton Vees

Other teams' MVPs:
(in alphabetical order)

Nelson Leafs (Arbour)

Omaha Icebreakers (Boon)

Syracuse Bulldogs (Baker)

Vancouver Giants (TIE Lepine, Robert)

Estevan Strippers (McKegney)

Whitby Dunlops (Oliver)

Windsor Bulldogs (Pederson)

Anyang Halla (Shadrin)

Spitfire11
06-19-2007, 10:29 PM
I have a feeling Murph and GBC are going to take the player I have in mind.

Note: I will gladly take a co-GM if anyone else wants to join up

God Bless Canada
06-20-2007, 11:25 PM
This is going to be weird. First draft ever without BM. Hope you enjoy the repose, boss.

Anyways, good luck to all GMs. cottonking, welcome to the fraternity. (No, not that kind of fraternity, although the beer does flow like water at the Estevan Strippers annual Spring Bust tournament). Hopefully the GM tandems will enable this to be a quick-moving draft, and we can avoid the board crashing on draft day and free agent moving day.

Wisent
06-21-2007, 12:15 AM
This is going to be weird. First draft ever without BM. Hope you enjoy the repose, boss.

Anyways, good luck to all GMs. cottonking, welcome to the fraternity. (No, not that kind of fraternity, although the beer does flow like water at the Estevan Strippers annual Spring Bust tournament). Hopefully the GM tandems will enable this to be a quick-moving draft, and we can avoid the board crashing on draft day and free agent moving day.

I have a notion that this may turn out to be wishful thinking.

VanIslander
06-21-2007, 07:33 PM
I forgot about the tendency of HFBoards to crash during heavy usage times.

Fortunately it'll be the evening, and problems shouldn't be for too long if at all.

Teams could send me their picks at woodstein10@hotmail.com if they really want or a shortlist beforehand via PM here.

EagleBelfour
06-21-2007, 07:44 PM
Actually, I really love the position I am in, making two picks in a rwo. We'll see how MXD and I will take advantage of this. Both of us also have heavy schedule, so it may help us it that matter.

Just to let everyone know, I'm taking charge of the team until July the 5 and from July the 6 to the end of the draft, MXD will make the picks. MXD is actually out of town, and I'll be working outside my province from July 6.

Good Luck everyone!

ck26
06-22-2007, 04:18 AM
Anyways, good luck to all GMs. cottonking, welcome to the fraternity. (No, not that kind of fraternity, although the beer does flow like water at the Estevan Strippers annual Spring Bust tournament).Don't hesitate to get the beer flowing in the Strippers War Room ... especially right before you make those selections. Nothing will make your draft go smoother than Andreas Lilja in the 3rd round ...

God Bless Canada
06-22-2007, 06:19 PM
With the first pick in the farm draft, the Estevan Strippers are pleased to select a steady, smart and fearless defenceman who won two Stanley Cups with Philly's Broad Street Bullies, and spent two years playing his junior in Estevan:

D Joe Watson

VanIslander
06-22-2007, 06:26 PM
D Joe Watson
...a salt-of-the-earth player who had to work harder than most to earn his spot at the top of the hockey world. He was gifted in no aspects of his game, save his sense of team spirit and his commitment to take the sum of his average parts and raise them into a greater whole... In Philly, he found his spiritual centre as a charter member of the Flyers who added stability to his club's new blueline corps. Over the years that followed, he became a defensive workhorse who helped keep his team respectable until their Stanley Cup pieces began to fall into place during the early 1970s... became a reliable rearguard who employed a steady positional style of play, highlighted by a daring streak as a fearless shot blocker.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=14650

216 points in 835 games, 447 PIM, NHL all-star games (1974, 1977)

Spitfire11
06-22-2007, 09:43 PM
Good choice.

Windsor takes the player traded for Cam Neely and a player with one of the best playoff ppg averages, C Barry Pederson

VanIslander
06-22-2007, 09:59 PM
C Barry Pederson
238 goals, 654 pts in 701 games. NHL all-star games (1983, 1984).

Almost all of his 52 pts in 34 playoff games comes in two superb postseasons for the Bruins, in '82 losing a 4-3 game 7 to the Nordiques in the second round and in '83 his best with 14 goals, 32 points in 17 games, only to be stopped by the dynasty Islanders in six games in the conference finals. Just over a year later a tumor would hamper what looked like a HHOF career in the making. Still went on to three 70+ point seasons afterwards.

ck26
06-23-2007, 05:42 AM
What's the rule on missing picks? Next team on the clock and Speaker makes his pick whenever he shows up?

VanIslander
06-23-2007, 05:54 AM
What's the rule on missing picks? Next team on the clock and Speaker makes his pick whenever he shows up?
yep... no biggie...

ck26
06-23-2007, 06:05 AM
After watching the pick-every-five-minutes draft last night, the pace here has left something to be desired ...

VanIslander
06-23-2007, 06:13 AM
After watching the pick-every-five-minutes draft last night, the pace here has left something to be desired ...
it's summertime!

i expect a few g.m.s every round to make up their picks at their convenience, especially into sunny weekends of outdoor fun

but yeah,... the nhl entry draft moves at a fast clip: a couple of kids of pretty good NHLers went in the first round, the fathers having had careers well worth recognizing (i won't say their names as they're on our team's long list)

ck26
06-23-2007, 06:51 AM
but yeah,... the nhl entry draft moves at a fast clip: a couple of kids of pretty good NHLers went in the first round, the fathers having had careers well worth recognizing (i won't say their names as they're on our team's long list)You're taking Troy Crosby too, eh?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=00035147

pappyline
06-23-2007, 09:11 AM
Dunlops select goaltender Gerry McNeil


Quote:
He was summoned to the Montreal Canadiens full-time in 1950-51 when Bill Durnan retired, playing every minute of every game in his rookie season. McNeil backstopped the Canadiens to the Stanley Cup finals against Toronto in 1951 and Detroit in 1952, but it wasn't until the 1952-53 season that he was able to lead the Canadiens to his own Stanley Cup. That same season, he was selected to the NHL's Second All-Star Team.

arrbez
06-23-2007, 09:28 AM
The Springfield Ice-O-Topes are proud to select one of the best Soviet blueliner of the 70's:

Yuri Liapkin

Yuri Liapkin had a reputation of one of the strongest and most reliable Soviet blueliners in the 1970's. A crafty stick handler and puck carrier, Liapkin had a relatively soft puck-moving style and, unlike many of his defense teammates, wasn't very impressive speed wise. His strongest parts were his amazing tactical sense of the game and mastery of hockey improvisation. Liapkin was a high scoring defenseman known for his accurate shooting and contribution into his team attacks.

Yuri Liapkin was the highest scoring defense player among the blueliners of both teams. Overall, he was one of the best defensemen on the Team USSR 1972 roster.

Wisent
06-23-2007, 09:41 AM
The Springfield Ice-O-Topes are proud to select one of the best Soviet blueliner of the 70's:

Yuri Liapkin

Yuri Liapkin had a reputation of one of the strongest and most reliable Soviet blueliners in the 1970's. A crafty stick handler and puck carrier, Liapkin had a relatively soft puck-moving style and, unlike many of his defense teammates, wasn't very impressive speed wise. His strongest parts were his amazing tactical sense of the game and mastery of hockey improvisation. Liapkin was a high scoring defenseman known for his accurate shooting and contribution into his team attacks.

Yuri Liapkin was the highest scoring defense player among the blueliners of both teams. Overall, he was one of the best defensemen on the Team USSR 1972 roster.

There goes my no1 defender.

VanIslander
06-23-2007, 09:41 AM
Yuri Liapkin
1 goal, 6 points in 6 games in the Summit Series '72.

"It turned out to be my worst nightmare. Now all these years later everyone knows that Paul Henderson scored when Yuri Liapkin gave up the puck." Yuri Liapkin
http://www.1972summitseries.com/quotes.html

scored 126 goals in 437 Soviet league games; was a member of teams which won one national championship, four world championships and an olympic gold.

pappyline
06-23-2007, 11:19 AM
Already sent this but Didn't see it post Will try again. Whitby selects gerry McNeil

VanIslander
06-23-2007, 11:25 AM
Gerry McNeil
119-105 win-loss record, 28 shutouts and three time all-star game participant (1951, 1952, 1953).

Gerry McNeil will forever be remembered for one goal he allowed: Bill Barilko's Stanley Cup-winning shot in 1951
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=18623

ck26
06-23-2007, 12:04 PM
With their first pick, the Omaha Ice Breakers are proud to select left winger Mike McPhee from Sydney, Nova Scotia.

A former Engineer, Voyageur, Habitant, North Star and Star, McPhee is a steadfast defensive forward cut from the same mold as Canadiens teammates Bob Gainey and Guy Carbonneau. A strong physical presence with plus size, McPhee was no slouch offensively either, scoring 20 goals 4 times and totaling 200 in his career.

McPhee won the Stanley Cup with Montreal (1986), reached the finals a second time (1989), was a member of one Wales Conference All-Star team (1989) and was a three-time winner of the Jacques Beauchamp award, as Canadiens team unsung hero, as voted by his teammates.

When Omaha GM cottonking hands McPhee his ceremonial photo-op jersey, the number 35 and the captain’s “C” are both already stitched on … clearly, the Ice Breakers got their man.

VanIslander
06-23-2007, 12:59 PM
Mike McPhee
6'2 tall. 200 goals, 399 points in 744 games. Played in all-star game (1989).

Wisent
06-23-2007, 01:08 PM
Unusual, but I decided to take a coach in the firest round,
Anyang Halla is proud to select
ANATOLI TARASOV

pitseleh
06-23-2007, 01:18 PM
Unusual, but I decided to take a coach in the firest round,
Anyang Halla is proud to select
ANATOLI TARASOV

You stole my idea, I had planned on taking him with one of my first two picks. Being the best coach available, it was probably worth it.

vancityluongo
06-23-2007, 02:12 PM
kruezer and I haven't decided yet, but I'll go ahead and pick.

The Giants select Pit Lepine.

Wisent
06-23-2007, 02:25 PM
You stole my idea, I had planned on taking him with one of my first two picks. Being the best coach available, it was probably worth it.

I really think so too. The best coach available. And if he wouldn´t be heads and tails above every other coach still available I wouldn´t have taken a coach with my firest pick. I was actually surpirsed that noone toook him in the main draft. I only went with Chernyshev because he was more likeable but he was not the motivational coach Tarasov was.

VanIslander
06-23-2007, 04:30 PM
Pit Lepine.http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group1/pitlepine1_em80.jpgLepine played in the National Hockey League from 1925 to 1939, spending his entire career with the Montreal Canadiens, winning two Stanley Cups, in 1930 and 1931. Lepine, a center, played over 500 games with Montreal and was an excellent goal scorer who could also check and battle for the puck in the corners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Lepine

pitseleh
06-23-2007, 04:58 PM
Lepine is a great choice. Top-10 scorer twice and an excellent defensive player/shadow. He was unfortunate to be stuck behind Morenz on the Habs when top players would sometimes play 2/3rds of the game.

pitseleh
06-23-2007, 10:17 PM
The Bulldogs are proud to select D Wilfred "Bucko" McDonald.

McDonald was the #1 defenseman on a cup winning Leafs team, and the #2 guy on two cup winning Red Wings teams. Regarded as one of the toughest players of his day, he was a supreme shot blocker and body checker and an excellent defensive defenseman. He was selected as a post-season All-Star once. He was also the man responsible for turning Bobby Orr into a defenseman.

VanIslander
06-23-2007, 10:37 PM
D Wilfred "Bucko" McDonald
123 points in 448 NHL games. 206 PIM, 2nd all-star team (1942)

Hockey Outsider
06-23-2007, 11:17 PM
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/16/200px-Penticton_Vees.JPG

The Penticon Vees are pleased to select D Rod Seiling with their first pick. Seiling, a sublime defensive player and a veteran of the 1972 Summit Series, provides the Vees with smart positional play, a good breakout pass, and over 1,000 games of NHL experience. We're confident that Seiling will be able to handle significant icetime, penalty-killing duties, and can shut down opponents' top lines.

"As a Rangers defenceman, Seiling was known as a stay-at-home blueliner who made few mistakes. After being claimed by the St. Louis Blues in the Expansion Draft of 1967, the Rangers were quick to trade for him the same day to keep him in New York. He enjoyed a great 1971-72 season collecting 41 points in 78 games and was named to the NHL All-Star Game for that season. The Rangers went to the Stanley Cup finals only to fall to Bobby Orr's Boston Bruins. Seiling was asked to represent his country once again for the '72 Summit Series and played in three games. His next season with the Broadway Blueshirts saw him collect career highs in goals and points." -- Legends of Hockey (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=14268)

"Rod Seiling was a wonderful defenseman who never got the recognition he deserved because of his classic stay at home style of hockey. Yet he was recognized in 1972 when he was included on Team Canada." -- Summit Series (http://www.1972summitseries.com/seiling.html)

"By the time the Summit Series began, Rod Seiling earned a reputation of a solid veteran defenseman with years of experience of playing with the pre-expansion NHL teams. His reliable steady performance in defense was a key factor for his invitation to play against the Soviet team in 1972. In fact, the defense pair of Seiling and Awrey was considered the strongest in the team Canada’s training camp prior to the series." -- Chidlovski (http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1972/yroster/ca16.htm)

VanIslander
06-23-2007, 11:34 PM
D Rod Seiling
331 points in 979 regular season games over a 17-year NHL career.

Seiling was also a member of the Canadian Olympic team in 1964, scoring 4 goals and 6 points in 7 games.

shawnmullin
06-24-2007, 04:21 AM
Sorry about that lateness guys. Busy weekend.

The Nelson Leafs are proud to add a legendary brother who knows how to make things happen offensively.

Anton Stastny.

VanIslander
06-24-2007, 08:09 AM
Anton Stastny.
252 goals, 636 points in 650 NHL games (52 pts in 66 NHL playoff games).

EagleBelfour
06-24-2007, 10:33 AM
With their first selection in this year Minor League Draft, the Bulldogs are very pleased to select Hall of Famer Clint Smith

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group1/clintsmith1.jpg

AWARDS:

Stanley Cup (1940)
5 Lady Bing Nomination (1939, 1944)
Hockey Hall of Fame (1991)

He was a mainstay with the Rangers the following year and became a key member of their 1940 Stanley Cup team. Smith won the Lady Byng Trophy for gentlemanly play in 1938-39 as a Ranger and again in 1943-44 as a member of the Chicago Black Hawks, and totaled a mere 24 penalty minutes in 483 regular season games. He played in the NHL for eleven years and was not signaled off for a penalty in four of those seasons. In 1943-44, Smith set an NHL record by recording 49 assists in a season while playing on a line with future Hall of Famers Bill Mosienko and Doug Bentley. The line set an NHL scoring record that season with 219 total points.



Moreover, with their second selection, the first pick in the second round, the Bulldogs are as eager to select the only Art Ross winner left on board, Left Winger Herb Cain

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/forsale_photos/group1/herbcain1_v.jpg

AWARDS:

Stanley Cup (1935)
Art Ross (1944)
Second Team All-Star (1944)

Born a year later than the records usually show, Cain was a tremendous player during his lengthy and successful career.[...]In 1939, Cain was sent to Boston for Charlie Sands, and he became one of the most popular players in town. At the time, he became the 13th player to score 200 career goals and won the scoring championship with a then-record 82 points. In 1946, he began a career in the AHL, playing for Hershey and winning the Calder Cup.[...]His hometown even named a street after him!


Coach:
Clint Smith – XXX – XXX
Herb Cain – XXX – XXX
XXX – XXX – XXX
XXX – XXX – XXX

XXX – XXX
XXX – XXX
XXX – XXX

XXX
XXX
XXX

VanIslander
06-24-2007, 10:46 AM
Clint Smith
161 goals, 397 points in 483 NHL games (24 pts in 42 NHL playoff games).

Herb Cain
206 goals, 400 points in 570 NHL games (29 pts in 67 NHL playoff games).

VanIslander
06-24-2007, 11:05 AM
The Penticton Vees are pleased to select their second two-way blueline talent, another 1000-game NHL defenseman in 6'2 Doug Bodger. He scored 106 goals, 528 points in 1071 NHL games with 1007 PIM and a decent-for-a-defenseman 24 points in 47 NHL playoff games.

http://www.sabresalumni.com/2001/playerpics/timeline-bodger.gif


• He played 16 consecutive NHL seasons and never spent a day in the Minor leagues.
• Bodger played 1071 games to indicate his durability. He had excellent offensive skills, scoring over 100 goals and 528 points. He anchored the power play and scored 61 power play goals. Bodger could kill penalties with the best of the best.
• Bodger had 42 multi point games.
• Scotty Bowman, the games greatest coach, lauded Bodgers' on ice vision.
• Bodger played for John Muckler for four seasons in Buffalo. Muckler considered Bodger the team leader and best all around rearguard.
• 1986-1987 and in 1996 Bodger played for Canada at World Hockey Championships. In 1996 he was named Canada's best all around defenseman, set up three important goals and won a silver medal.
• His best offensive season was 1992-1993 in Buffalo when he scored 9 goals and 45 assists.
• Bodger and the Sabres made the playoffs six consecutive years.
http://www.oldtimershockey.com/players/bodger.html

A solid defenseman with speed and a booming shot from the point... Bodger became a leader on the Sabres powerplay... won the Tim Horton Memorial Trophy that year, given to the player whose performance is voted to be most superior to the public recognition he receives (unsung hero).
http://www.sabreslegends.com/bodger_d_bio.html

After being twice a WHL all-star defenseman, Bodger was drafted into the NHL 9th overall with the Penguins second early first rounder the year they got Mario....

Like all good players he was always in the right place at the right time. A great example was the Western Junior final in 1983-84. It was the seventh game in Kamloops against Regina—with four seconds left Bodger intercepted a pass out at the Regina blue line, found an uncovered winger at the side of the Pat net and the game was tied and the Blazers won in overtime, and were in their first Memorial Cup final and Bodger was named the game's first star.
http://www.oldtimershockey.com/players/bodger.html

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/16/200px-Penticton_Vees.JPG

Rod Seiling - Doug Bodger

Bodger complements Seiling's style for an elite top pairing. Together a Seiling-Bodger will have had:

2174 NHL games of experience.
895 NHL points.

Both two-way skilled, one more of a first-pass type of strong defensive-minded rearguard (Seiling) and the other a taller (6'2) speedier puck carrier with a booming shot.
A top pairing to play in any situation and take on opponents' top line regardless how big or fast or strong they are.

A competitive advantage.

pitseleh
06-24-2007, 11:59 AM
I actually met Doug Bodger before. He's from the Island, and back when I used to work in the mall at Nanaimo, I recognized his name on his credit card. He was surprised I knew who he was.

I'll take F Frank Finnigan. A top notch defensive forward, he finished in the top-10 scorers once. He was a fantastic skater and a tough player who could could check with the best of them and was strong as an ox. Dick Irvin was once quoted as saying. "If I had a team of Finny's, I'd never lose!"

VanIslander
06-24-2007, 12:07 PM
F Frank Finnigan
"The Shawville Express", a 5'9 right winger, had 115 goals, 203 points in 556 NHL games. Played in the all-star game (1934).

VanIslander
06-24-2007, 12:36 PM
of the first round players picked...

Stolen from the Vees Long List of potential draftees: Pederson, McNeil, Smith :pout:

Who should have been on the Vees Long List but weren't: Tarasov, Stastny :amazed:

shawnmullin
06-24-2007, 01:00 PM
Some great finds so far. Smith and Bodger especially.

Since the cat is out of the bag on Stastny....

Might be a bit early, but frankly I'm doing this one for chemistry and to make sure I get him.

Scored 294 points in 322 games despite being older by the time he did make the NHL. Had 17 points in 16 games during Quebec's long playoff run in his rookie NHL season. Played in the 1983 NHL All-Star game. Scored 236 goals in 369 games in the Czech Elite League. Was on the Czech Elite League All-Star team in 1978 and 1979.

Played in many World Championships, the 1981 Canada Cup and the 1980 Olympics.

RW Marian Stastny

vancityluongo
06-24-2007, 08:06 PM
Okay, the Giants select D Yevgeny Paladiev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Paladiev

VanIslander
06-24-2007, 08:15 PM
Yevgeny Paladiev.
25 goals in 225 Soviet league games.

One of the strongest young Soviet blueliners of the late 1960's - early 1970's, Yevgeny Poladiev represented Spartak Moscow in Team USSR (at the Summit Series '72). He was an extremely reliable and fearless defense player with a powerful long distance slapshot and effective body-checking and shot-blocking skills. Poladiev was one of the Spartak fans favorites during his relatively short career (25 goals in 225 Soviet league games)
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1972/yroster/ru26.htm

"Some of our players looked out of place with the Canadian professionals (in the Summit Series '72). Poladiev was one of them and that is why he didn't see much action in the series."
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1972/yroster/ru26.htm

VanIslander
06-24-2007, 08:26 PM
Anyang Halla selects (via shortlist) one of the top scorers of the Summit Series in 1972 and the Soviets' best defensive forward, centre Vladimir Shadrin.

213 goals in 445 Soviet league games. 71 goals in 168 international games.

Vladimir Shadrin established himself as a premiere top ranked Soviet center in the 1970's. He was a slick passer with a powerful and accurate shot on goal. Shadrin was a driving force behind the success of the famous Spartak's line in Team USSR. Most of his goals and assists came as a result of his team work with Alexander Yakushev. Shadrin showed a top level performance at both ends of the ice. He was a distinguished master of penalty killing. His remarkable mastery became a subject of hockey books when Shadrin, Lyapkin and Tsygankov managed to overcome a 2-men advantage of Chechoslovakia in a key game at the Olympics in 1976.
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1972/yroster/ru19.htm

"The excellent performance of Alexander Yakushev can in part be attributed to Vladimir Shadrin. Aside from averaging one point a game, Shadrin was the best Soviet defensive forward in the series."(Summit Series '72)
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1972/yroster/ru19.htm

Shadrin had points in 6 of the 8 games in the 1972 Summit Series, 8 points in all, only one point behind his linemate, Soviet-leading Yakushev.

Spitfire11
06-24-2007, 08:51 PM
When it comes up again do I skip Speaker's pick or give him another 8 hrs?

VanIslander
06-24-2007, 08:56 PM
When it comes up again do I skip Speaker's pick or give him another 8 hrs?
since the draft only started Friday night and he may have simply been away for the weekend.... let's give him 8 hours

he should show up monday or tuesday (was PM'd)

ck26
06-24-2007, 09:40 PM
I'm out for the night and I'm not going to make a pick now. Y'all are taking too many Russians I've never heard of, so I'm re-evaluating my strategy ... I'll pass the baton to the Dunlops for now and spend tomorrow thinking about this while I'm supposed to be working.

arrbez
06-24-2007, 09:47 PM
so pappyline's up?

God Bless Canada
06-24-2007, 09:51 PM
so pappyline's up?
Pappy's an early-to-bed, early-to-rise type, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's already packed it in for the night. Hope not, because it'd be great if we could get to the Speaker's pick tonight.

Evil Speaker
06-24-2007, 10:02 PM
Sorry guys, my alcoholism has gotten the better of me, so I wont be able to participate in this draft. Sorry for wasting your time.
Good luck.

EagleBelfour
06-24-2007, 10:49 PM
Sorry guys, my alcoholism has gotten the better of me, so I wont be able to participate in this draft. Sorry for wasting your time.
Good luck.

Don't have to be sorry, personnal problem are way more important than anything related in here. I which you good luck in everything you go through.

VanIslander
06-24-2007, 11:02 PM
I'm out for the night and I'm not going to make a pick now. Y'all are taking too many Russians I've never heard of, so I'm re-evaluating my strategy ... I'll pass the baton to the Dunlops for now and spend tomorrow thinking about this while I'm supposed to be working.
Only three teams have taken Russians! One is a coach that was expected to go in the big league draft and the two others are from the Summit Series in 1972. I don't expect the majority of g.m.s to select more than one or two Soviets if that.

The problem with drafting players who didn't play in the NHL (or against NHL players in international competitions like the Summit Series and Canada Cups) is that there's a big question mark about how well they would have fared in the NHL. Even in North America, the WHA had some great talents wooed over to higher salaries in that league. The players who spent the majority of their careers in the WHA with only 2 or 3 NHL years are a bit suspect, but those who put together 5-7 solid NHL years in addition to the WHA are clearly great. It's a judgement call. The draft is NOT just for NHLers, but to draft NHLers is a safe way to go, as there will be fewer question marks about performance ability in an all-time hypothetical context.

So no need to totally re-evaluate your strategy.

Hockey Outsider and I have a long list of 80+ players we've put together for draft consideration and only 3 of them never played in the NHL, which is not to say we aren't slack jaw in awe at wisent's selection of Tarasov (legendary coach) and Shadrin (played excellent against top NHLers in international play).

ck26
06-25-2007, 05:15 AM
Hockey Outsider and I have a long list of 80+ players we've put together for draft consideration and only 3 of them never played in the NHL, which is not to say we aren't slack jaw in awe at wisent's selection of Tarasov (legendary coach) and Shadrin (played excellent against top NHLers in international play).I too have a 50-ish name list, but I projected I'd only get 1 or 2 of my top five, and -- except McPhee, whom I drafted -- all are still available. I'm left wondering, did I miss something? Are my projections that far off?

... pick this afternoon.

pappyline
06-25-2007, 05:18 AM
Whitby selects defenseman Glen Harmon

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 05:53 AM
Glen Harmon
http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_profiles/glenharmon2_pp.jpg

Short but highly skilled blueliner. 146 points in 452 NHL games, 334 PIM. Second team NHL all-star (1945, 1949). In the all-star game (1949, 1950). He scored the tying goal to help the Habs to split its games in Boston to close out the Stanley Cup championship series back home in game five in 1946.

Harmon helped secure Lord Stanley’s Cup twice in his time with the Canadiens.. In 1943 he was the runner up.. for the Calder Memorial Trophy (rookie of the year award).

Harmon’s professional hockey career concluded with him playing his last four seasons with the Montreal Royals of the QHL. At the end of the 1954-55 season, Harmon retired from hockey at the age of 34.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Harmon

arrbez
06-25-2007, 10:13 AM
The Springfield Ice-o-Topes are happy to select one of the all-time greats of international hockey, and a true Swedish legend:

Sven "Tumba" Johansson

http://www.math.toronto.edu/gaidash/Hockey/Images/tumba.jpg

A massive player for his day at 6'3, 210, Tumba was a scoring machine both domestically (8 Swedish titles, multiple scoring titles) and in the world championships. He lead Sweden to their first 3 world championships, and was named player of the tournament on two of those occaisions. He also lead the tournament in scoring twice. After his retirement, Sweden would not win another WC untill 1987. He is 5th in WC points, and 2nd in goals, and is the highest non-Russian in each category (behind the likes of Mikhailov, Kharlamov, Maltsev and Petrov). Tumba also competed in 4 Olympic games, and lead the tournament in scoring in 1964.

The Soviets had the utmost respect for Johansson, and were often forced to resort to unusual tactics to try to contain the big Swede. In the 1957 in front of 50,000 supporters in Moscow (the largest in history), the Soviets double-teamed Johansson, leaving a player unchecked much of the game. Johansson scored twice, and Sweden won their second WC in the heart of the USSR.

In 1957 the Bruins made Johansson the first European to be invited to try out for the NHL. Tumba scored 5 points in 5 games with their minor league team, and recorded a goal in the only exhibition game he played with Boston. However, he chose to return to Sweden so he could maintain his 'amateur' status and continue to represent the Tre Kronor internationally.

And he has a killer nickname.

ck26
06-25-2007, 11:06 AM
I'll go ahead and get my requisite ancient historical player ...

With their second round selection, the Omaha Ice Breakers are proud to pick defenseman Dickie Boon from the Montreal Amateur Athletic Association, the last amateur team to win the Stanley Cup.

Spitfire11
06-25-2007, 11:08 AM
Windsor takes LW Marc Tardif

2 time Stanley Cup winner
2 time WHA scoring leader
2 time WHA MVP

God Bless Canada
06-25-2007, 11:22 AM
We'll have our pick shortly. Just want to double-check with the co-GM (who's been out of town the last few days, probably at a drag race) on who we want for the next pick. Spit said he'd be around for a bit, too.

Sorry about the delay. If I haven't heard from Murph in an hour, we'll go with our initial plan.

God Bless Canada
06-25-2007, 01:00 PM
Sorry about the wait, gentlemen. The Estevan Strippers are pleased to select their Twin Towers on the blue-line.

A Stanley Cup champion with the Pittsburgh Penguins in 1992, a finalist with Philadelphia in 1987 and 1997, and an all-star game participant in 1988, he stands 6'6". He's tough, he's rugged, and he used his enormous reach to become one of the top defensive defencemen in the late 80s and early 90s: D Kjell Samuelsson.

And a three-time Stanley Cup champion - two with the Edmonton Oilers and one with the New York Rangers - he's not as big as Kjell and doesn't have Kjell's reach. But he's 6'4", he's mean, he's tough, he's rugged, and he has very underrated hockey sense and positioning: D Jeff Beukeboom.

We're confident that their size, reach, aggressiveness and hockey sense will make them an impenetrable duo in our Boston Garden-sized rink.

Spitfire11
06-25-2007, 01:21 PM
I know no one here likes the active players especially the young ones, but I just can't pass up the combination of size, power, and skill. Windsor takes recent Cup champion:

C Ryan Getzlaf

MXD
06-25-2007, 01:32 PM
Whitby selects defenseman Glen Harmon

Here goes the 1st D-Men I really thought of selecting to my 1st squad. Great pick Pappy.

MXD
06-25-2007, 01:33 PM
I too have a 50-ish name list, but I projected I'd only get 1 or 2 of my top five, and -- except McPhee, whom I drafted -- all are still available. I'm left wondering, did I miss something? Are my projections that far off?

... pick this afternoon.

Dickie Boon was on our list.

Wisent
06-25-2007, 01:58 PM
Only three teams have taken Russians! One is a coach that was expected to go in the big league draft and the two others are from the Summit Series in 1972. I don't expect the majority of g.m.s to select more than one or two Soviets if that.

The problem with drafting players who didn't play in the NHL (or against NHL players in international competitions like the Summit Series and Canada Cups) is that there's a big question mark about how well they would have fared in the NHL. Even in North America, the WHA had some great talents wooed over to higher salaries in that league. The players who spent the majority of their careers in the WHA with only 2 or 3 NHL years are a bit suspect, but those who put together 5-7 solid NHL years in addition to the WHA are clearly great. It's a judgement call. The draft is NOT just for NHLers, but to draft NHLers is a safe way to go, as there will be fewer question marks about performance ability in an all-time hypothetical context.

So no need to totally re-evaluate your strategy.

Hockey Outsider and I have a long list of 80+ players we've put together for draft consideration and only 3 of them never played in the NHL, which is not to say we aren't slack jaw in awe at wisent's selection of Tarasov (legendary coach) and Shadrin (played excellent against top NHLers in international play).

Thank you, thank you :blush:

Wisent
06-25-2007, 01:59 PM
The Springfield Ice-o-Topes are happy to select one of the all-time greats of international hockey, and a true Swedish legend:

Sven "Tumba" Johansson

http://www.math.toronto.edu/gaidash/Hockey/Images/tumba.jpg

A massive player for his day at 6'3, 210, Tumba was a scoring machine both domestically (8 Swedish titles, multiple scoring titles) and in the world championships. He lead Sweden to their first 3 world championships, and was named player of the tournament on two of those occaisions. He also lead the tournament in scoring twice. After his retirement, Sweden would not win another WC untill 1987. He is 5th in WC points, and 2nd in goals, and is the highest non-Russian in each category (behind the likes of Mikhailov, Kharlamov, Maltsev and Petrov). Tumba also competed in 4 Olympic games, and lead the tournament in scoring in 1964.

The Soviets had the utmost respect for Johansson, and were often forced to resort to unusual tactics to try to contain the big Swede. In the 1957 in front of 50,000 supporters in Moscow (the largest in history), the Soviets double-teamed Johansson, leaving a player unchecked much of the game. Johansson scored twice, and Sweden won their second WC in the heart of the USSR.

In 1957 the Bruins made Johansson the first European to be invited to try out for the NHL. Tumba scored 5 points in 5 games with their minor league team, and recorded a goal in the only exhibition game he played with Boston. However, he chose to return to Sweden so he could maintain his 'amateur' status and continue to represent the Tre Kronor internationally.

And he has a killer nickname.

You have a knack for takaing players from my list. Never thought anyone would take Tumba.

God Bless Canada
06-25-2007, 02:05 PM
You have a knack for takaing players from my list. Never thought anyone would take Tumba.
I had Tumba rated as one of the top offensive centres available, I think in my top 10. There are lots of quality offensive centres available, they are sort of a dime-a-dozen asset in this draft, but Tumba was one of the better ones. Would have definitely looked at him for a mid-round pick.

pitseleh
06-25-2007, 02:53 PM
Harmon and Beukeboom were numbers one and three on my defense list. Hopefully my #2 guy lasts.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 05:20 PM
Tumba was taken in at least one previous all-time draft (when there was less g.m.s even) so it's no big surprise that he goes now, in fact, in retrospect, it's surprising the center didn't go in the main draft.

Hockey history should remember guys like him. :clap:

Sven "Tumba" Johansson
223 goals in 245 international games.

...in some ways a Gordie Howe type of player, very hard to stop and impossible to separate from the puck. He was however far from complete as Howe. Tumba's strength was his hard and accurate shot that always seemed to be on target. With his combination of physical strength and good hands he was a scoring threat whenever he had the puck.

His weakness was that he didn't pass the puck as much as he should have. He didn't use his teammates very often which in one way made him a little bit of a one dimensional player. But why should he pass when he scored ? He was very well liked by his teammates because of his easy going attitude off the ice.
http://www.1972summitseries.com/otherjohansson.html

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 05:31 PM
Dickie Boon
... he enjoyed speed skating in his early teens and won the 1892 Junior Amateur Championship.... played the position of cover point, similar to today's defenseman. Fast and wiry, Boon is credited with being the first player to use the poke-check.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 05:38 PM
Marc Tardif
401 points in 517 NHL games (28 points in 62 NHL playoff games). In the NHL all-star game (1982). The Nordiques/Avalanche franchise's first ever NHL captain.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 05:45 PM
D Kjell Samuelsson.
186 points in 813 NHL games (24 pts in 123 NHL playoff games). 1225 PIM. Played in NHL all-star game (1988).

D Jeff Beukeboom
159 points in 804 NHL games (19 pts in 99 NHL playoff games). 1890 PIM. He is Joe Nieuwendyk's cousin and three-time team leader in PIM.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 05:52 PM
Ryan Getzlaf
39 career NHL goals, 97 points in 139 NHL games (24 pts in 37 NHL playoff games). One Stanley Cup.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 06:30 PM
2nd round reflections:

players stolen from the Vees long list: Tardif
players who should've been on the list: Shadrin, Samuelsson
players who were thought already drafted: Tumba !
players perhaps drafted a bit early: Paladiev, Stastny

pappyline
06-25-2007, 07:59 PM
Raleh

Do you intend on picking soon?

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 08:09 PM
Raleh

Do you intend on picking soon?
i was wondering that since he's been around for over an hour

probably weighing his options, doing extra research, etcetera

(suggestion: while waiting we all can use some extra research time! find another gem to add to one's list for later rounds)

pappyline, their time window ends in just over an hour from now... you can go ahead and pick at that time

pappyline
06-25-2007, 08:24 PM
Whitby picks defenseman Frank Patrick

raleh
06-25-2007, 08:26 PM
Springfield selects D Pekka Rautakallio. Sorry about the confusion Pappy, I guess I never signed out at work!

pappyline
06-25-2007, 08:30 PM
Springfield selects D Pekka Rautikallio. Sorry about the confusion Pappy, I guess I never signed out at work!
No Problem.

BTW. If I don't pick within an hour, The next guy can go ahead. In a draft of this type, I am not too worried if I miss out on a player ot two.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 08:31 PM
Frank Patrick
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/obj/024002/f1/e001219415-v2.jpg

As a player, Frank was revolutionary,... In the years prior to the Patricks' rise, the position of defense was used strictly to protect a team's own goal. Together, they [Patrick brothers] were the first defensemen to rush with the puck and play an offensive role. The family moved to Nelson, British Columbia, where the brothers continued to win converts to their rushing style.... When Frank was introduced as a Millionaire, he was called the best defenseman in the world.... They spent $350,000 on a 10,000-seat arena in Vancouver, creating what was at the time the largest building in Canada, and another $125,000 on a rink in Victoria that accommodated 4,200.... Patrick scored six goals in one game, establishing a record that has never been surpassed by NHL defenders. Frank was the leader, on the ice and in the boardroom,... Among Patrick's contributions to hockey were the blue line, the penalty shot, the boarding penalty, and the raising of the stick when a goal is scored, which he suggested. He also made a prophesy: "I dream of the day that teams will dress two goaltenders for each game." This became a reality in 1964-65 in the NHL.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=b195803&page=bio#photo

ck26
06-25-2007, 08:33 PM
The Omaha Ice Breakers will use their third selection on Pavel Datsyuk.

One Stanley Cup, one all-star game, one Olympic medal.

Nothing short of premature death will keep that total stationary.

Spitfire11
06-25-2007, 08:37 PM
Springfield selects D Pekka Rautakallio. Sorry about the confusion Pappy, I guess I never signed out at work!

dangit nice pick, he was next on my list.

I was wondering when Kjell Samuelsson would get taken again. I think someone took him in the first draft or two (back when there were under 300 total picks too) and he hasn't been taken in any draft since.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 08:38 PM
D Pekka Rautakallio
121 points in 235 NHL games (7 pts in 23 NHL playoff games). In NHL all-star game (1982).

...The Flames saw him as the defensive equivalent to Kent Nilsson, a skilled European puck wizard. The defenseman gave every sign of fulfilling that promise. His thirty points and +22 in 1979-80 were respectable in both areas. The hockey tactician had taken his rookie NHL year as a chance to get used to the closer quarters and hard hitting. The results paid off with a second season effort of 56 points and a further 6 in the playoff, as Calgary stopped just short of the Finals.

Rautakallio had his best personal season in North American in 1981-82. His 17 goals and 51 assists left him a dozen points better than his previous best. Pekka was also named as to the All-Star squad, the first Finn to be named to the mid-season classic.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=14079

raleh
06-25-2007, 08:39 PM
Van, I must say, you are doing an incredible job keeping this thing going. PMs for every pick, info on ever player...I'm really impressed.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 08:43 PM
Van, I must say, you are doing an incredible job keeping this thing going. PMs for every pick, info on ever player...I'm really impressed.
actually,... i'm secretly hoping you guys are PMing the next team after you pick, but since i dunno if that's happening i'm doubling up efforts (hopefully it's just doubling up) in the early rounds

everybody PM the next guy!

Spitfire11
06-25-2007, 08:43 PM
players who should've been on the list: Shadrin

I'm guilty too. I read up on him way back for draft 2 or 3 but completely forgot about him until now.

pappyline
06-25-2007, 08:44 PM
Van, I must say, you are doing an incredible job keeping this thing going. PMs for every pick, info on ever player...I'm really impressed.
Me Too. I keep thinking that I will do a write up on my selection later but Van beats me to it & does a better job too boot. Loved the Frank Patrick bio.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 08:46 PM
Pavel Datsyuk
108 goals, 328 points in 363 NHL games (31 pts in 60 NHL playoff games). All-star game (2004). Two Lady Byngs.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 08:50 PM
I keep thinking that I will do a write up on my selection later but Van beats me to it & does a better job too boot. Loved the Frank Patrick bio.
Thanks. My last career was as a journalist. ;) get the info out quick! Now I'm a more lackadaisical teacher of the English language (in South Korea) with plenty of spare time on my hands during the week (it's almost noon Monday here now).

I will be unavailable on many of the weekends but it's the Monsoons here until mid-July so I got rained in the last few days by never ending downpours.

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 08:56 PM
We've had 27 picks in just over 48 hours,

averaging over a round per day!

I expect the pace to be half that midweek but even if so that's not bad.

Note: Starting round 15 the picks will be doubled up (see first post of this thread for details)

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 08:58 PM
Could we all cut-and-paste information profiles of our picks onto our roster threads?

It will really help us keep track of who these guys are, as the minor league draft involves many players we're just now starting to get to know.

arrbez
06-25-2007, 09:05 PM
Springfield selects D Pekka Rautakallio. Sorry about the confusion Pappy, I guess I never signed out at work!

Excellent, I was hoping we'd get him. Liapkin and Rautakallio give us the foundation of probably the best puck-moving defence corps in this draft (the early favourite, at least). And plenty of bruiser stay-at-home types to pair with them still out there.

arrbez
06-25-2007, 09:07 PM
You have a knack for takaing players from my list. Never thought anyone would take Tumba.

I guage whether or not my Euro picks are good ones by how upset you seem afterwards ;)

VanIslander
06-25-2007, 09:21 PM
Pick distribution to date (through pick 27):

defensemen - 12
centers - 6
left wingers - 5
right wingers - 2
goaltenders - 1
coach - 1

NHL careers: 18
partial NHL careers (less than 5 full seasons): 2
non-NHLers: 7

EagleBelfour
06-25-2007, 10:14 PM
Springfield selects D Pekka Rautakallio. Sorry about the confusion Pappy, I guess I never signed out at work!

Damn, he was our next pick, good job Raleh!

MXD
06-25-2007, 10:15 PM
Springfield selects D Pekka Rautakallio. Sorry about the confusion Pappy, I guess I never signed out at work!

He was our next pick, good choice Raleh.

raleh
06-25-2007, 11:32 PM
He was our next pick, good choice Raleh.

I can't take the credit for this one. This was Arrbez' brain child.

Wisent
06-26-2007, 12:40 AM
Sorry, busy day last day. My wife and I plan to move so I didn´t send a list. I pick soon.

Wisent
06-26-2007, 01:07 AM
Anyang picks Boris Mayorov.

pitseleh
06-26-2007, 04:19 AM
Whitby picks defenseman Frank Patrick

:rant:

pappy, with Harmon and Patrick, you took the top two defensemen on my list.

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 06:21 AM
Anyang picks Boris Mayorov.
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1954/imagez/players/bpics/m014.gif

5'9 left winger, 62 goals in 118 international games for the Soviet Union.

Team captain Mayorov was key to six world championships for the Soviet Union in the 1960s, leading the tournament in scoring in '61 when he was named the tournament's best forward. He won the gold at both the '64 and '68 Olympics.
http://www.hhof.com/html/t6gp06.shtml

...(on) the best line in the history of Moscow Spartak and in the world in the late 1960s.. Boris Mayorov loved to fight
http://keskustelu.jatkoaika.com/printthread.php?t=12725

shawnmullin
06-26-2007, 01:36 PM
Nelson selects LW Daniel Sedin

306 points in 478 career games.

155 points in his last 163 games.

Career +50 player.

pitseleh
06-26-2007, 01:50 PM
Quebec is proud to select C Art Chapman.

A star of the 30's who is largely forgotten by history, Chapman was a second team All Star in 1937. He was a supreme playmaker, leading the league in assists twice and finishing in the top-5 four times. He was also known as a very good defensive player:

During his career, he had often been chided for playing too defensively, but Chapman would give his standard reply "If you can stop them from scoring, you'll get a goal in time."

shawnmullin
06-26-2007, 01:56 PM
Chapman sounds like a very good pick

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 02:00 PM
C Art Chapman
10-year NHL career. 236 points in 438 NHL games (6 pts in 26 NHL playoff games).

During his career, he had often been chided for playing too defensively, but Chapman would give his standard reply "If you can stop them from scoring, you'll get a goal in time."
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=12246

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 02:21 PM
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/16/200px-Penticton_Vees.JPG
Camille "The Eel" Henry
http://www.newyorkrangers.com/tradition/images/bio/players/Henry_Camille.jpg
279 goals, 528 points in 727 NHL games. Three all-star games (1958, 1963, 1964). NHL 2nd all-star team (1958). Three-time Rangers' top goal scorer.

..won the Calder Memorial Trophy (beating out Jean Beliveau)... was the second team NHL all star left winger in 1958, the year he also won the Lady Byng.. In 1964/65 he was team Captain... known for his ability to swat the puck out of mid air to score goals... An interesting trivia note: on November 1, 1959, that fateful night when Jacques Plante first donned a mask, Camille was the first and the only one in that game to score on him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Henry

...scored 4 power-play goals in one game to set an NHL record... Twice he finished among the top 5 goal scorers and topped the 20-goal mark 8 times in his career... received a measly 88 penalty minutes during his 727-game career. Had his most productive season in 1962-63 with New York, scoring 37 goals and 60 points.
http://www.beehivehockey.com/profiles_04.htm


He was, all five-foot-seven inches of him, and a generous 145 pounds on the scale (if he was carrying barbells!), one of the most beloved and popular players in the history of the New York Rangers. Little left winger Camille Henry played 12 seasons and 637 games for the Blueshirts from 1953 to 1968.

Henry's style, on and off the ice, simply endeared him to Rangers fans from the very beginning. His smallish stature contributed to his style, which was one of elusiveness, hence the nickname "Camille The Eel." He was the National Hockey League's most accomplished sniper of his era, particularly adept at deflecting slap shots, usually on the power play.

On one amazing night in his rookie season of 1953-54, Henry slipped four pucks past Terry Sawchuk of the Detroit Red Wings, the only time that ever happened in Sawchuk's career.

Off the ice, it was Henry's affable nature that endeared him to fans, and more particularly to the newspapermen. Sure, he got hurt a lot and wore cumbersome braces on both knees, but he was always a solid quote machine. The newshounds always flocked to his locker. Asked once which player he had ever hurt with a body check, Henry shot back: "Camille Henry, that's who."

Murray (Muzz) Patrick, the Rangers' General Manager during most of Henry's time in New York, was always well aware of Henry's publicity value. Patrick even had Henry sign a contract one season from his hospital bed at St. Clare's Hospital on West 52nd Street. The photographers loved it. Henry was also front and center when the Rangers did their annual photo shoots with the ladies from the Ice Capades or the Ice Follies.

"The Eel" was on the ice for the very first face-off in the new building, playing left wing for center Jean Ratelle and right wing Rod Gilbert - two-thirds of the future G-A-G Line (Goal-A-Game) with the later addition of Vic Hadfield in Henry's place on the left side.... Henry posted 478 points (256 goals, 222 assists) during his run on Broadway, and served as Blueshirt captain in 1964-65.
http://www.newyorkrangers.com/tradition/lookback.asp?Ed=Henry

pappyline
06-26-2007, 03:32 PM
Henry was an excellent pick as was Tardiff. Seeing these guys gone already makes me wonder if I made a good move focusing on defense.

EagleBelfour
06-26-2007, 04:57 PM
Quebec is proud to select C Art Chapman.

A star of the 30's who is largely forgotten by history, Chapman was a second team All Star in 1937. He was a supreme playmaker, leading the league in assists twice and finishing in the top-5 four times. He was also known as a very good defensive player:

Art Chapman was on our list for the next few rounds.

Picks to come shortly.

EagleBelfour
06-26-2007, 05:29 PM
With our third selection, the 33rd overall in the minor league draft, the Syracuse Bulldogs are proud to select their number one defenseman and their captain: Hobey Baker

http://www.uscho.com/images/colorscans/20032004/hobey-hockey.jpg

Hobart Amery Hare (Hobey) Baker

- Gentleman on the ice
- Great puckhandling abilities
- Great Skater
- Great puck rushing defenseman
- High stamina
- Lack of size

AWARDS:

Lester Patrick (1987)
Hockey Hall of Fame (1945)


It isn't easy to set down Hobey Baker on paper. You get the idea that people just won't believe what you write about him, he was that good.[...] There are those wrote during Baker's era, just before the Great War, that he was the greatest athlete who ever lived.[...] Jeffrey Hart penned that Baker was "probably the most charismatic athlete of all time."[...] Baker was a player who continually brought a crowd to its feet, whether he caught the puck on the end of his stick, or picked an enemy punt out of the air. He was not, it was written, a showman, but he did everything with a sense of showmanship because it was natural to him.[...] Baker's ability, as great as it was, was topped by his sportsmanship and he is perhaps known for this more than his playing skills. He was only penalized once in his college career - he was called for slashing against Harvard in 1913 - and was counted on always to visit the opposition's locker room after a game. Opponents as well as teammates loved him and his tremendous celebrity never occurred to them.

Hobart "Hobey" Baker was arguably the first hockey legend born in the United States. His standard of achievement both on and off the ice elevated him to unique status in that country's hockey world. Baker's most passionate conviction was that the game should be played with the utmost sportsmanship in addition to skill to preserve its integrity.[...] It was here that he first crafted the reputation of being a tremendous and versatile athlete as well as a gentleman in competition. Baker vowed to take his skating and puckhandling ability to the highest level in order to compensate for his lack of size.


http://www.hobeybaker.com/
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=P194502&type=Player&page=bio&list=ByName#photo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobey_Baker
http://www.hobeybaker.net/



Moreover, with their second selection in a row, the Bulldogs are very pleased to select their number one center: Bronco Horvath

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group2/broncohorvath2b.jpg

AWARDS:

WHL First All-Star Team (1955)
AHL First All-Star Team (1957)
NHL Second All-Star Team (1960)
AHL Second All-Star Team (1964, 1965)
Played in NHL All-Star Game (1960, 1961)
Stanley Cup Final (1958, 1962)
Retroactive Rocket Richard Trophy (1960)

During his long career, Horvath also made brief stops in Montreal and Toronto but is best remembered for his days as a Boston Bruin where he produced his best offensive numbers. Joseph "Bronco" Horvath centred Johnny Bucyk and Vic Stasiuk on the Boston Bruins' famed Uke line, so named for its players' Ukrainian heritage. The Uke Line combined for 174 points in 1957-58, as Horvath lead the Bruins with 30 goals and 66 points. He added five more goals in 12 playoff games as Boston advanced to the Stanley Cup finals before losing to Montreal. Horvath missed the first 25 games of the 1958-59 season because of a broken jaw, but returned to score 19 goals in just 45 games. In 1959-60, Horvath battled Bobby Hull all season long for the NHL lead in goals and points. They tied at 39 goals, but Horvath lost the Art Ross Trophy by a single point, collecting 41 assists to Hull s 42. Horvath was named to the NHL Second All-Star team behind Jean Beliveau at centre that year. Never shy about offering his opinion, Horvath was once quoted as saying "If Chief (Bucyk) hadn't got injured, I'd have shattered 50 goals. I'd love to be able to play hockey today with Bucyk and Stasiuk on the wings. I'd score over a 100 goals a year with the 80 game schedule."



Coach:
Clint Smith – Bronco Horvath – XXX
Herb Cain – XXX – XXX
XXX – XXX – XXX
XXX – XXX – XXX

Hobey Baker(C) – XXX
XXX – XXX
XXX – XXX

XXX
XXX
XXX

ck26
06-26-2007, 05:34 PM
Hobey BakerAshamed I forgot about him ... :shakehead

I think it's safe to say he's better than the 706th best player of all time ...

EagleBelfour
06-26-2007, 05:41 PM
Ashamed I forgot about him ... :shakehead

I think it's safe to say he's better than the 706th best player of all time ...

He was supposed to be our first selection, but since he never got picked in an all-time draft (even in minor league), we thought he could slip we didn't knew if Herb Cain would pass pick 32.

God Bless Canada
06-26-2007, 05:47 PM
I've always wanted to pick Hobey. I was ready to do it in the fifth minor league draft, but noticed at the last minute that Dick Duff was available, and went with Duff instead. (Incredibly, Duff had never been selected at that point, either).

I think Baker suffers from questions about his competition. When you read the bios of some of the other amateurs of the day, a lot of them are regarded by some as better players than Baker. Hobey Baker was a truly magnificent talent, though.

The other reason I've never picked him is he was a very, very sportsmanlike player, and if you look at my minor league teams, an extremely clean player like Baker would never fit in.

vancityluongo
06-26-2007, 06:10 PM
I'm just waiting for kruezer to PM me back, if he isn't on, I'll pick within an hour.

pitseleh
06-26-2007, 06:18 PM
Is there someone who'll be around tonight that I can send my pick to? I'll be away from the computer for several hours and don't want to hold this up after VanI/HO make their pick.

God Bless Canada
06-26-2007, 06:36 PM
Is there someone who'll be around tonight that I can send my pick to? I'll be away from the computer for several hours and don't want to hold this up after VanI/HO make their pick.
I can take it if nobody else can, pit. I have to work for about an hour, but outside of that, I should always be near a computer.

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 07:09 PM
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/16/200px-Penticton_Vees.JPG
Hubert "Pit" Martin
http://www.beckett.com/images/pgitems/152780701.jpg

324 goals, 809 points in 1101 NHL games (58 pts in 100 NHL playoff games). In NHL all-star game (1971, 1972, 1973, 1974). Blackhawks captain (1975-1977). Five hat tricks. Scored team record two powerplay goals in the same period of a playoff game (1973). Tied Blackhawks record for most hat tricks in a playoffs year (2).

During a dismal 1968-69 season where the Hawks finished out of the playoffs, Martin denounced many of his teammates, claiming that only three "wear their uniforms with any desire to win." The next season, the team rebounded, finishing in first place with Martin contributing 30 goals and 33 assists. Martin won the Masterton Trophy that season
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=13551

...the rugged two-way forward proved that he could leave his mark in the NHL by playing hard every shift of every game
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=13551

A very interesting excerpt from Sports Illustrated, March 6th 1972:
"They had tried me with Bobby when I first came to Chicago in 1967 and I felt like the switchman on a railroad," Martin recalls. "Everyone told me to get the puck to Bobby, so when it would come to me I'd just switch directions and send it over to him. But Bobby doesn't want a center like that. If he was a pushy guy he'd have told me to keep the puck for a few moments and then get it to him when he broke free. But Bobby's not that way. He's not going to tell someone else how to play even if it might mean more goals for him."

For a time the Hull-Martin-Maki line was effective. "I've changed," Martin claims. "I'm not afraid to hang onto the puck, because I have more confidence. If Bobby's not in the clear I don't force the puck to him. I try to make the play for myself." In any case, Reay moved Martin last week and installed Campbell once again.

To the layman, the answer to Hull's center dilemma might seem obvious: give the job to Stan Mikita, who is, after all, one of the best in the game. "I've tried it on occasion," Reay says, "but they don't work well together. Both Stan and Bobby need the puck, and there is only one puck to play with." Mikita agrees. "Bobby wants the puck 15 or 20 feet before he hits the blue line," he says. "I want to keep the puck until I get across the blue line. Our styles are so different that we could never play together regularly."
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3815/si030672.htm

vancityluongo
06-26-2007, 07:18 PM
Okay, I have no idea whether this is a good pick or not, I'm taking a big risk here. (sorry kruezer)

The Vancouver Giants are happy to have on their team G Jose Theodore.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=14080

Please, feedback.

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 07:23 PM
G Jose Theodore.
Like Horvath he's a short-term wonder, only playing over half a season four times in his career:

2000-01 Montreal Canadiens NHL 59 20 29 5 3298 141 2 2.57 1 0 0.909
2001-02 Montreal Canadiens NHL 67 30 24 10 3864 136 7 2.11 0 2 0.931
2002-03 Montreal Canadiens NHL 57 20 31 6 3419 165 2 2.90 0 2 0.909
2003-04 Montreal Canadiens NHL 67 33 28 5 3960 150 6 2.27 0 3 0.919

Two winning seasons, two losing seasons, three decent save percentages, one super save percentage and both a Hart and Vezina trophy that year to show for it.

Career didn't then end due to injury, suggesting possible continued greatness, instead his brilliance simply faded away to become a part-time 'keeper to date.

To the issue of peak vs. career one doesn't want to have to choose between them, the best being to have both. But no doubt Theodore has had a great peak and lacklustre career.

vancityluongo
06-26-2007, 07:28 PM
Like Horvath he's a short-term wonder, only playing over half a season four times in his career:

2000-01 Montreal Canadiens NHL 59 20 29 5 3298 141 2 2.57 1 0 0.909
2001-02 Montreal Canadiens NHL 67 30 24 10 3864 136 7 2.11 0 2 0.931
2002-03 Montreal Canadiens NHL 57 20 31 6 3419 165 2 2.90 0 2 0.909
2003-04 Montreal Canadiens NHL 67 33 28 5 3960 150 6 2.27 0 3 0.919

Two winning seasons, two losing seasons, three decent save percentages, one super save percentage and both a Hart and Vezina trophy that year to show for it.

Career didn't then end due to injury, suggesting possible continued greatness, instead his brilliance simply faded away to become a part-time 'keeper to date.

To the issue of peak vs. career one doesn't want to have to choose between them, the best being to have both. But no doubt Theodore has had a great peak and lacklustre career.

So in summary, do you view Theodore as a good starting goalie for this draft?

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 07:32 PM
So in summary, do you view Theodore as a good starting goalie for this draft?
Well,... I think he's good to have as one of the three goalies we each are to have in the system. In the minor leagues you'd expect more shared ice time, developmental work, less riding the bench all season. You can never go too wrong with a Hart trophy winner in the stables.

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 07:40 PM
Bronco Horvath
Horvath had three great years in the NHL:

1957-58 Boston Bruins NHL 67 30 36 66 71 12 5 3 8 8
1958-59 Boston Bruins NHL 45 19 20 39 58 7 2 3 5 0
1959-60 Boston Bruins NHL 68 39 41 80 60 --

And other than these three years only played more than half a season twice in the big league, spending the last eight years of his career as an AHL star called up to the NHL for 10 games once, 14 games another time.

Regarding the peak vs. career issue, like Theodore, he had a great peak and a lacklustre career overall.

MXD
06-26-2007, 07:42 PM
Picking for Pitseleh :

Quebec Bulldogs selects former Quebec Nordiques (amongst others)

D Jeff Brown.

Details to follow.

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 08:03 PM
round 3 reflections:

players stolen from Vees list of potential draftees: None
players who should have been on the Vees list: Rautakallio, Patrick
players thought perhaps drafted a bit early: Beukeboom, Theodore
careers short at (deepest talent pool) centre position: Datsyuk, Getzlaf
players that seem like interesting picks: Baker

shawnmullin
06-26-2007, 08:06 PM
Naturally (so nobody screws this up for me) I'll take C Henrik Sedin next.

Accolades and what not to follow.

ck26
06-26-2007, 08:28 PM
The other reason I've never picked him is he was a very, very sportsmanlike player, and if you look at my minor league teams, an extremely clean player like Baker would never fit in.I'm right with you. If I'm invited to ATD #8, my first round pick is Eddie Shore.

God Bless Canada
06-26-2007, 09:32 PM
round 3 reflections:

players stolen from Vees list of potential draftees: None
players who should have been on the Vees list: Rautakallio, Patrick
players thought perhaps drafted a bit early: Beukeboom, Theodore
careers short at (deepest talent pool) centre position: Datsyuk, Getzlaf
players that seem like interesting picks: Baker
On the surface, Beukeboom looks like he went early. But Estevan's Civic Auditorium is a small ice surface. The rink was designed as a mirror image to the old Boston Garden, since, at the time of the rink's construction, Estevan was Boston's Saskatchewan development centre. Your old buddy Dallas Smith came through here on the way to Boston.

But just picture a tandem of Beukeboom and Samuelsson on the old Boston Garden, with their size, reach, aggressiveness and positioning, and then imagine trying to get past them. You have your answer for why we picked Beuk.

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 09:53 PM
But just picture a tandem of Beukeboom and Samuelsson on the old Boston Garden, with their size, reach, aggressiveness and positioning, and then imagine trying to get past them. You have your answer for why we picked Beuk.
Once past them, easy enough to do on a 3-on-2 passing play or, easier, dump-and-chase with fast forecheckers, how the hell are they gonna handle cycling down low or getting puck movement back up ice with their limited skating and puck handling ability?

They will look for open ice hits, get a few, miss many, and spend plenty of time in the penalty box.

They are not a first pairing on any team. They are useful role players and great #5/#6 guys in this draft, Samuelsson a decent #4 and adequate #3.

But don't pair them up together, imo. Too many gaps in their game to be a good fit together. Worth drafting a quality role player early if you think he would have been drafted by another g.m., that's true.

Ideally imo:

d - d
d - Samuelsson
Beukeboom -d
d

---------------

What do others think?

ck26
06-26-2007, 10:00 PM
I'm with Van Islander ... ideally, you pair a big, strong, slow defenseman with a smaller, faster, quicker one.

I didn't have Beukeboom up near the top of my list, but he was on it, along with other, very comparable defensemen.

One thing I haven't seen addressed is how "games" are "officiated". Are we using pre-lockout rules or post-lockout rules? If it's the former, give me six copies of Beuk ... if it's post, I wouldn't want two copies of him trying to stop the guy with the Sedins.

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 10:09 PM
...how "games" are "officiated". Are we using pre-lockout rules or post-lockout rules? Post lockout, defensemen like Book seem to have had their value diminished ever so slightly ...
excellent point :thumbu:

we should assume either (a) rotating officiating, with officials from each decade/era alternating games; or (b) random assignment, one looking at the entire history of hockey and thinking which styles are more or less common; or (c) ideal tailoring, each player getting the benefit of the officiating of the era they played in, as this is hypothetical, we can be flexible in our thinking; or (d) all eras considered, discounting talents particular to a given era.

I'm particular to (b) and (c) but i can't help but sometimes think (d) and it'd be interesting to formally do (a).

vancityluongo
06-26-2007, 10:14 PM
Well,... I think he's good to have as one of the three goalies we each are to have in the system. In the minor leagues you'd expect more shared ice time, developmental work, less riding the bench all season. You can never go too wrong with a Hart trophy winner in the stables.

all right...you know, i must say you're doing a awesome job running this draft.


All right, Vancouver takes another player that maybe grabbed a bit early. However, the Giants want this guy badly, even if he maybe being picked early. Say hello to our sniper, LW Ilya Kovalchuk.

pitseleh
06-26-2007, 10:18 PM
Picking for Pitseleh :

Quebec Bulldogs selects former Quebec Nordiques (amongst others)

D Jeff Brown.

Details to follow.

Thanks MXD.

We felt that Brown was one of the most talented offensive defensemen available. He's an expert PP QB, which will add an additional dimension to his game. He's also an excellent playoff performer, with 65 points in 87 games. As of now he'll be paired with the ever steady Bucko McDonald, who should allow him to display his offensive skills.

He's also a bit of a homer pick, as my fondest memories of him were the '94 playoffs.

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 10:27 PM
D Jeff Brown
583 points in 747 NHL games. 7 full seasons and several partial seasons due to injury.

Four very good playoff seasons:

1989-90 St. Louis Blues NHL 48 10 28 38 37 -12 12 2 10 12 4
1990-91 St. Louis Blues NHL 67 12 47 59 39 +4 13 3 9 12 6
1992-93 St. Louis Blues NHL 71 25 53 78 58 -6 11 3 8 11 6
1993-94 Vancouver Canucks NHL 11 1 5 6 10 +2 24 6 9 15 37

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 10:30 PM
LW Ilya Kovalchuk.
202 goals, 379 points in 387 NHL games (2 points in 4 NHL playoff games). Second team NHL all-star (2004).

EagleBelfour
06-26-2007, 10:38 PM
all right...you know, i must say you're doing a awesome job running this draft.


All right, Vancouver takes another player that maybe grabbed a bit early. However, the Giants want this guy badly, even if he maybe being picked early. Say hello to our sniper, LW Ilya Kovalchuk.

Ilya Kovalchuk is a way better pick than Jose Theodore IMO. He was actually taken 5 time out of 7 in the Major All-Time Draft, and he was actually on our list (well he was until we took two LW's in our first two picks).

VanIslander
06-26-2007, 10:43 PM
Kovalchuk will help the team in the regular season (I'd rate him high in that context and thus may help the Giants win my favour in voting of ranking for the regular season) but is he a clutch player? The lack of playoff experience and some attitude issues makes him a bit of a question mark in the postseason (will depend on what the match-ups are).

ck26
06-27-2007, 12:01 AM
Kovalchuk doesn't have a wealth of playoff experience, but that's different that making the playoffs every year and consistently disappearig.

Regardless of your team's strategy, there's always room for one Ilya Kovalchuk on the roster. He was going to be my next pick. Damn good player.

Murphy
06-27-2007, 12:11 AM
I'm with Van Islander ... ideally, you pair a big, strong, slow defenseman with a smaller, faster, quicker one.

I didn't have Beukeboom up near the top of my list, but he was on it, along with other, very comparable defensemen.

One thing I haven't seen addressed is how "games" are "officiated". Are we using pre-lockout rules or post-lockout rules? If it's the former, give me six copies of Beuk ... if it's post, I wouldn't want two copies of him trying to stop the guy with the Sedins.

Cough!

I don't care what rules they go by. Beuk wouldn't struggle to stop the Sedins. The guy was decently mobile. He certainly wasn't a pylon that would get schooled by the Sedins(its tough not calling them the sisters anymore) He moved the puck with smart passes and had a decent slapshot as well. There's way more to his game then just big hits.

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 12:58 AM
Jeff Brown is a solid pick, and since pit doesn't have Kirk McLean, he should have nothing to worry about. Excellent puck-mover with a bullet shot. A guy you always thought was capable of more, but he did quite well for himself during his career.

I wouldn't have picked Theodore, simply because I don't think he's consistent enough to warrant No. 1 status, and he's too selfish to play a No. 2 or 3 role. He forever talked his way out of Team Canada's plans when he sulked about being the No. 3 goalie following the World Cup.

Kovalchuk's an interesting pick. My co-GM had him in the last draft. Likely the most talented player in the draft, but also moody and difficult to get a read on. You'll need a good coach to handle him the right way. He's another instance of a modern player's value suffering because of a disappointing year, although he went through the same problem that Iginla had in 2005-06: nobody to give him the puck. I don't know if he'll ever do well in the playoffs. So much of the playoffs is about character, and Kovalchuk's lacking in that regard.

shawnmullin
06-27-2007, 01:01 AM
Oh you guys continue to build your normal "teams"

I'm gonna draft everyone in pairs of brothers

Keith and Brent Gretzky are next

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 01:04 AM
I'm with Van Islander ... ideally, you pair a big, strong, slow defenseman with a smaller, faster, quicker one.

I didn't have Beukeboom up near the top of my list, but he was on it, along with other, very comparable defensemen.

One thing I haven't seen addressed is how "games" are "officiated". Are we using pre-lockout rules or post-lockout rules? If it's the former, give me six copies of Beuk ... if it's post, I wouldn't want two copies of him trying to stop the guy with the Sedins.
If you hit the Sedins, you stop the Sedins. And there are other ways to stop the Sedins than just hitting them. As a Dallas fan, you should know that, after watching the job that Sydor and Zubov did on them in the playoffs.

Beukeboom and Samuelsson will hit them early and often. And their positioning, size and reach will help as they neutralize the Sedin cycle.

We'll employ the Twin Towers on our small ice sheet. (And we'll use some other old-time Estevan home ice advantage tactics, too, especially in the playoffs). On the road, we'll probably split them up.

We want to have the best home ice record in the league, and with the Twin Towers, plus Watson's Estevan experience, we think we're on the right track.

Wisent
06-27-2007, 02:19 AM
Anyang Halla is happy to select Don Awrey

ck26
06-27-2007, 04:34 AM
If you hit the Sedins, you stop the Sedins. And there are other ways to stop the Sedins than just hitting them. As a Dallas fan, you should know that, after watching the job that Sydor and Zubov did on them in the playoffs.Sadly, I only watched 1 game of that series, but what you're talking about is exactly how I'd choose to go about it.

Totally off-topic: are there enough arenas with enough quantifiable, tangible benefits / impacts on the game to throw them into the next draft? I recall the national arena in Moscow having chicken wire instead of glass during the Summit Series (how much would a dirty forechecker love THAT), and the Slurpee that we called the ice at Reunion Arena in Dallas worked wonders helping guys like Craig Ludwig and Derian Hatcher keep up with their smaller, faster opponents. The Edmonton building is praised during every national telecast for having the fastest ice in the history of sub-freezing temperatures. This is something that should tie into players / team style ... dunno, just a thought.

ck26
06-27-2007, 04:52 AM
With the 39th pick in the minor league draft, the Omaha Ice Breakers are proud to select defenseman Steve Chiasson from Barrie, Ontario.

After a three-year stint with the Guelph Platers in the OHL, Chiasson played NHL 13 seasons with the Detroit Red Wings, Calgary Flames and the East Coast WhalerCanes, from 1986-1999. His 751 NHL gamed yielded 398 points and 1,100 penalty minutes. At 6'1 205lbs, Chiasson had good size and decent offensive upside, surpassing the 10-goal plateau 5 seasons. Chiasson never won the Cup -- being the prize Detroit traded for Mike Vernon -- but was universally praised by teammates and management alike. He was voted to the 1986 Memorial Cup MVP and played in the 1993 NHL All-Star game.

A drunk driving accident cut his career a bit short, killing him at 32, a fact that will require some smoothing-over by the Ice Breakers public relations department, but the fact remains that he was a tough, determined leader who played through injuries and had a simple, no-nonsense style, all qualities that will endear him to the Omaha faithful.

Chiasson will wear an A for the Omaha Ice Breakers.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 05:37 AM
Don Awrey
189 points in 969 NHL games (18 pts in 71 NHL playoff games). 1065 PIM. In all-star game (1974).

...blocking shots and delivering bone-crushing checks... Awrey was part of the two Boston Cup wins in 1970 and 1972, and was named to Team Canada's roster for the historic Summit Series, though he played just two of the eight games.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=11887

pappyline
06-27-2007, 06:04 AM
Whitby selects Andy hebenton

Quote:
Before Doug Jarvis, Andy Hebenton was the Iron Man of the NHL. Including lengthy stints in the minors, he played 26 professional seasons from 1949-1975. When he finally cracked the New York Rangers lineup in 1955, he embarked on a remarkable string of 630 straight regular season games, racking up an impressive 189 goals and 202 assists.

raleh
06-27-2007, 10:48 AM
Arrbez, I know we hadn't decided yet but we're on the clock and Spit is lurking so I'm going to make the pick.

Springfield selects LW Ab Mcdonald.

Spitfire11
06-27-2007, 10:52 AM
Windsor takes LW Greg Adams

...the good one

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 10:56 AM
Ab Mcdonald.
182 goals, 430 points in 762 NHL games (50 pts in 84 NHL playoff games). 6'2 tall, 194 lbs. In NHL all-star game (1958, 1959, 1961, 1969, 1970).

... a creative offensive player who could also stay with his check and kill penalties. He played nearly 800 games for six different clubs in a career that lasted from the late 1950s to the early '70s.

The veteran winger toiled briefly for the Detroit Red Wings in 1971-72 then played two years in the WHA with the Winnipeg Jets. In 1972-73, he was credited with notching the first regular season goal in franchise history.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=13618

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 11:07 AM
Greg Adams
355 goals, 743 points in 1056 NHL games (42 pts in 81 NHL games). In all-star game (1988).

...developed into a stronger two-way player.... "In my first game with Vancouver, we played the St. Louis Blues," Adams recalled. "I scored four goals." He potted a career-high 36 goals in 1987-88, when he played in all 80 Canuck games, which was a rarity throughout his career, suffering from an assortment of nagging injuries, which often kept him on the sidelines.

The highlight of Adams's career came in 1994, when the Canucks came within one game of winning the Stanley Cup, only to lose the deciding seventh game to the New York Rangers. Adams is perhaps best remembered for his two clutch playoff goals that postseason. The first was against the Toronto Maple Leafs in Game Five of the 1994 Conference Finals, the overtime winning goal to complete a comeback from three goals down. The goal sent the Canucks to the Stanley Cup Finals. Adams then managed to top that when he scored the winning goal in Game One of the finals against the Rangers, but in the end they came up one victory short of the title.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=10003

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 11:22 AM
I was hoping Murphy would be around to announce these picks, since I'm the one doing all the talking, but I guess I'll do it.

The Estevan Strippers are pleased to select one of the top offensive LWs in the draft, a player who scored more than 35 goals three times, and posted over 300 goals for his career: LW Tony McKegney.

And we are also delighted to select a player who played a few games in our rink during his junior days with the Flin Flon Bombers. One of the few players on the board with four 40-goal seasons, and the NHL goals king in 1979-80: RW Blaine Stoughton.

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 11:26 AM
Gus Adams was a very solid player. The perfect wing compliment for Pavel Bure: excellent speed, strong instincts and hockey sense, good two-way game. Would have had much better numbers if he could have stayed healthy. He was good for a couple serious injuries each year.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 11:34 AM
LW Tony McKegney.
320 goals, 639 points in 912 NHL games (47 pts in 79 NHL playoff games).

...a gifted scorer who could produce on the power play and kill penalties
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=11080

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 11:43 AM
RW Blaine Stoughton.
258 goals, 449 points in 526 NHL games (6 pts in 8 NHL playoff games). In NHL all-star game (1982).

Basically, years of being shuffled around and not clicking or scoring except for one early year in Toronto and then, after years of lack of success landing a full season anywhere in the WHA he suddenly lands full-time work in the NHL and actually plays four straight seasons of hockey with a team, all peak performances:

1979-80 Hartford Whalers NHL 80 56 44 100 16 +9
1980-81 Hartford Whalers NHL 71 43 30 73 56 -17
1981-82 Hartford Whalers NHL 80 52 39 91 57 -17
1982-83 Hartford Whalers NHL 72 45 31 76 27 -23

Traded halfway through the next season, the year after in the AHL and then Italy, it's as if he was possessed for four years by the gift and never before or after: a player who clicked in the right situation for him.

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 11:55 AM
258 goals, 449 points in 526 NHL games (6 pts in 8 NHL playoff games). In NHL all-star game (1982).

Basically, years of being shuffled around and not clicking or scoring except for one early year in Toronto and then, after years of lack of success landing a full season anywhere in the WHA he suddenly lands full-time work in the NHL and actually plays four straight seasons of hockey with a team, all peak performances:

1979-80 Hartford Whalers NHL 80 56 44 100 16 +9
1980-81 Hartford Whalers NHL 71 43 30 73 56 -17
1981-82 Hartford Whalers NHL 80 52 39 91 57 -17
1982-83 Hartford Whalers NHL 72 45 31 76 27 -23

Traded halfway through the next season, the year after in the AHL and then Italy, it's as if he was possessed for four years by the gift and never before or after: a player who clicked in the right situation for him.
But how many players in this draft had that kind of a peak? You're not going to find RWs who had a great, sustained peak. Those types are selected in the main draft, especially a 28-team main draft. You're either going to find players who had sustained levels of good, but not great, production, or players who had a great, but relatively short peak, but couldn't sustain it over an extended period of time.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 11:59 AM
The Windsor Bulldogs (via PM'd pick) select versatile forward Vyacheslav Kozlov.

305 goals, 710 points in 963 NHL games (79 pts in 118 NHL playoff games).

... excellent speed, quickness, and scoring ability,.. played for the USSR at European Junior Championships in 1990 where he was named the top forward and placed on the tournament all-star team. Kozlov scored 11 points in seven games when the USSR won silver at the World Junior Championships in 1990. That year he was also named the USSR Rookie-of-the-Year... enjoyed solid post-seasons when Detroit won consecutive Stanley Cups in 1997 and 1998.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=10831

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 12:06 PM
You're either going to find players who had sustained levels of good, but not great, production, or players who had a great, but relatively short peak, but couldn't sustain it over an extended period of time.
Or, one better, there might be some guys left who had great 3-4 seasons in the midst of a solid 10+ year career.

Still, having a winger who scored four consecutive 40+ goal NHL seasons is a valuable commodity worth taking at some point and definitely belongs in this draft.

ck26
06-27-2007, 12:08 PM
Vyacheslav KozlovI'm amazed that he's still around. I was really close to taking him. There is a player who had sustained good with a couple seasons of great, IMO.

vancityluongo
06-27-2007, 12:37 PM
Ilya Kovalchuk is a way better pick than Jose Theodore IMO. He was actually taken 5 time out of 7 in the Major All-Time Draft, and he was actually on our list (well he was until we took two LW's in our first two picks).

Says the Habs fan. ;)

Totally off-topic: are there enough arenas with enough quantifiable, tangible benefits / impacts on the game to throw them into the next draft? I recall the national arena in Moscow having chicken wire instead of glass during the Summit Series (how much would a dirty forechecker love THAT), and the Slurpee that we called the ice at Reunion Arena in Dallas worked wonders helping guys like Craig Ludwig and Derian Hatcher keep up with their smaller, faster opponents. The Edmonton building is praised during every national telecast for having the fastest ice in the history of sub-freezing temperatures. This is something that should tie into players / team style ... dunno, just a thought.

Well, since our arena is PacCo, players like Adams would naturally have an advantage over the guys that never played there, even if Adams isn't on the Giants.

Yeah, it could be something to factor into a series, especially very close, tight series', but I don't think it should be of major consideration. A great idea though.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 12:43 PM
Yeah!

By the end of the draft, every team specify what kind of building will be used for home games.

Rink size: big or small
Ice condition: good or slushy

... what other conditions to specify?

Home ice officiating: old, modern, 80s, clutch-and-grab 90s, new NHL

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 12:44 PM
Says the Habs fan. ;)



Well, since our arena is PacCo, players like Adams would naturally have an advantage over the guys that never played there, even if Adams isn't on the Giants.

Yeah, it could be something to factor into a series, especially very close, tight series', but I don't think it should be of major consideration. A great idea though.
Your rink should absolutely dictate the type of team you have. If my team was the Notre Dame Hounds or the Minnesota Golden Gophers, I'd want a quick, skilled team because those teams play on Olympic-sized ice. Estevan plays in a rink that was built to be a miniature version of the Boston Garden. So big defencemen are a must.

A rink like the old Pacific Coliseum doesn't really have any unique characteristics that create home ice advantage. With the micro-management of the game by recent administrations, the days of having home ice advantage through ice size, or board and glass structure, are over.

pitseleh
06-27-2007, 12:47 PM
I guess I'll have the biggest home ice advantage, since the Bulldogs played in a rink with no glass. ;)

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 12:47 PM
With the micro-management of the game by recent administrations, the days of having home ice advantage through ice size, or board and glass structure, are over.
yes but this is an all-time league ;)

Wisent
06-27-2007, 12:52 PM
I like the idea of personalizing your rink. Sounds like fun.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 12:57 PM
I like the idea of personalizing your rink. Sounds like fun.
Gets you and others thinking about chemistry factors, styles of play, etcetera. A good thing.

K. Everybody do it on the roster thread by the end of the draft.

I for one would love to use it in deliberating how teams would do in the regular season.

Wisent
06-27-2007, 01:02 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else have problems selecting goalies at this point of the draft? No real stand-outs anymore IMO.

ck26
06-27-2007, 01:03 PM
You're forgetting about Ken Dryden.

Edit: nevermind

MXD
06-27-2007, 01:15 PM
But how many players in this draft had that kind of a peak? You're not going to find RWs who had a great, sustained peak. Those types are selected in the main draft, especially a 28-team main draft. You're either going to find players who had sustained levels of good, but not great, production, or players who had a great, but relatively short peak, but couldn't sustain it over an extended period of time.

I'll name one : Bronco Horvath :)

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 01:16 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else have problems selecting goalies at this point of the draft? No real stand-outs anymore IMO.
Even in the minor league draft for the 5th all-time draft, that was my feeling. Entering that minor league draft, 51 goalies had been selected, and there just wasn't that guy who screamed "must-have." (I had Kirk McLean as my No. 1 in that draft, and he was a must-have for me, but for sentimental reasons).

Now we're in a draft with 84 goalies picked. And there really isn't anything to choose between the goalies available.

I think it's a waste of a pick to select a goalie in the first 10 rounds of this minor league draft. With the shortage of defencemen and left wingers, and the quality that still exists for scoring centres and right wingers, plus defensive forwards, there's lots of reasons to not worry about a goalie at this point in time.

kruezer
06-27-2007, 01:28 PM
Even in the minor league draft for the 5th all-time draft, that was my feeling. Entering that minor league draft, 51 goalies had been selected, and there just wasn't that guy who screamed "must-have." (I had Kirk McLean as my No. 1 in that draft, and he was a must-have for me, but for sentimental reasons).

Now we're in a draft with 84 goalies picked. And there really isn't anything to choose between the goalies available.

I think it's a waste of a pick to select a goalie in the first 10 rounds of this minor league draft. With the shortage of defencemen and left wingers, and the quality that still exists for scoring centres and right wingers, plus defensive forwards, there's lots of reasons to not worry about a goalie at this point in time.
I disagree a bit, I like to grab one goalie early, focus on defense and not worry to much about forwards, but that is just me.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 01:40 PM
Pick distribution to date (through pick 46):

defensemen - 16
left wingers - 12
centers - 10
right wingers - 4
goaltenders - 2
coach - 1

NHL careers: 34
partial NHL careers (less than 5 full seasons): 4
non-NHLers: 8
Hockey Outsider and I pegged d-men and left wingers as a priority due to low supply of top talent, and it's turning out to be other g.m.s' thinking as well. More centers are going than expected, given there are quite a few good ones and playing them out of position would be a question mark and chemistry concern. All in all, pretty much as expected by us.

raleh
06-27-2007, 02:14 PM
Go ahead and skip us for now, have to confirm with Arrbez before I make this next pick as I may have overstepped some boundaries with the last one!

MXD
06-27-2007, 02:22 PM
Even in the minor league draft for the 5th all-time draft, that was my feeling. Entering that minor league draft, 51 goalies had been selected, and there just wasn't that guy who screamed "must-have." (I had Kirk McLean as my No. 1 in that draft, and he was a must-have for me, but for sentimental reasons).

Now we're in a draft with 84 goalies picked. And there really isn't anything to choose between the goalies available.

I think it's a waste of a pick to select a goalie in the first 10 rounds of this minor league draft. With the shortage of defencemen and left wingers, and the quality that still exists for scoring centres and right wingers, plus defensive forwards, there's lots of reasons to not worry about a goalie at this point in time.

Well, with 84 goalies picked prior to this draft... The remaining ones are kinda interchangeable... I have no problems making a Top-10 list of goalies, and most of us would come with at least 7 identical guys on 10, probably 8.

MXD
06-27-2007, 02:26 PM
Random thought : I don't know if ShawnMulling is doing what I think he's doing... But if so, as we say in french "Yé tombé sur la tête".

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 02:27 PM
Go ahead and skip us for now, have to confirm with Arrbez before I make this next pick as I may have overstepped some boundaries with the last one!
If arrbez has a problem with the selection of Ab McDonald, then you should probably be seeking another guy to be GM with. McDonald was one of the top 5 LWs on our list, along with McKegney, Kovalchuk and two other scorers who haven't been picked yet. A very solid pick, would have likely been our guy if we didn't get McKegney.

I should be around all night, in case anyone needs me to announce their pick.

pappyline
06-27-2007, 02:57 PM
Whitby selects Center/LW Murray Oliver who will likely play LW.

Quote
Murray Oliver was a slick playmaking centre who could kill penalties and create chances on the power play. He was blessed with excellent hockey sense and scored over 700 career points on four different teams. The tricky forward was considered one of the best in the league at pulling off the fake pass.

EagleBelfour
06-27-2007, 03:03 PM
Says the Habs fan. ;)

Actually, along with Ed Belfour, Jose Theodore is my favourite active player. But I'm smart enough to understand his limitation, especially in a all-time draft.

pappyline
06-27-2007, 03:20 PM
I disagree a bit, I like to grab one goalie early, focus on defense and not worry to much about forwards, but that is just me.
Exactly my strategy. I picked Gerry McNeil with my first pick just because I thought he was a little better than the others out there. My next 2 picks were both D.

ck26
06-27-2007, 03:57 PM
With the 49th pick in the minor league draft, the Omaha Ice Breakers pick Ray Ferraro out of Trail, BC. No time to write a bio, but here's this:

1,258 games
408 goals, 490 assists
1,288 PM
68 playoff games
21 goals, 22 assists
That one riddiculous 108/84/192 season with the Wheat Kings
A REALLY hot sister

vancityluongo
06-27-2007, 04:02 PM
Actually, along with Ed Belfour, Jose Theodore is my favourite active player. But I'm smart enough to understand his limitation, especially in a all-time draft.

Haha, that's why he won't be seeing more then 35 games out of a 82 game season.

Theo isn't the greatest goalie, but I didn't see any others with a Hart and a Vezina remaining.

Wisent
06-27-2007, 04:05 PM
Anyang Halla picks
Vyacheslav Anisin

pitseleh
06-27-2007, 04:14 PM
Is there someone I could send my picks to for tonight?

Spitfire11
06-27-2007, 04:17 PM
Even in the minor league draft for the 5th all-time draft, that was my feeling. Entering that minor league draft, 51 goalies had been selected, and there just wasn't that guy who screamed "must-have." (I had Kirk McLean as my No. 1 in that draft, and he was a must-have for me, but for sentimental reasons).

Now we're in a draft with 84 goalies picked. And there really isn't anything to choose between the goalies available.

I think it's a waste of a pick to select a goalie in the first 10 rounds of this minor league draft. With the shortage of defencemen and left wingers, and the quality that still exists for scoring centres and right wingers, plus defensive forwards, there's lots of reasons to not worry about a goalie at this point in time.

Agreed, although I think pappy did a good job taking McNeil who was IMO clearly the best goalie available for this draft (unless I'm completely overlooking someone)

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 04:20 PM
Is there someone I could send my picks to for tonight?
Send it this way, pit. Outside of a trip to the gym, I should be around a computer until bed time.

vancityluongo
06-27-2007, 04:22 PM
Okay kruezer and I have a guy who we believe will be a solid addition to our defense.

Vancouver selects D Tomas Jonsson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomas_Jonsson

raleh
06-27-2007, 05:10 PM
If arrbez has a problem with the selection of Ab McDonald, then you should probably be seeking another guy to be GM with. McDonald was one of the top 5 LWs on our list, along with McKegney, Kovalchuk and two other scorers who haven't been picked yet. A very solid pick, would have likely been our guy if we didn't get McKegney.

I should be around all night, in case anyone needs me to announce their pick.

Oh no, I don't think Arrbez will have a problem with it. We just hadn't decided for sure, and I don't want to make two picks in a row without confirming with him first. That's all.

arrbez
06-27-2007, 05:22 PM
Arrbez, I know we hadn't decided yet but we're on the clock and Spit is lurking so I'm going to make the pick.

Springfield selects LW Ab Mcdonald.

Yeah, good call on that one. I fully approve this selection ;)

We'll have our next pick out soon

arrbez
06-27-2007, 05:43 PM
The Springfield Ice-O-Topes select one of the premier offensive players of the dead puck era:

RW Zigmund Palffy

Apart from his rookie season, Palffy scored at a PPG pace or higher every year of his career but one. His 713 points in 684 games are made more impressive by the fact that his career spanned the dead puck era from litterally start to finish (1995-2004), with only half a season in the post-lockout NHL.

On top of his NHL career Palffy was also a stalwart with the Slovak national squad, representing his country 12 times internationally, and leading them to their only World Championship in 2002 with 7 points in just 3 games.

He also rocked a deadly mullet back in the day. This man clearly knows how to party:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Loge/6688/pal102.gif

vancityluongo
06-27-2007, 07:21 PM
The Springfield Ice-O-Topes select one of the premier offensive players of the dead puck era:

RW Zigmund Palffy

Apart from his rookie season, Palffy scored at a PPG pace or higher every year of his career but one. His 713 points in 684 games are made more impressive by the fact that his career spanned the dead puck era from litterally start to finish (1995-2004), with only half a season in the post-lockout NHL.

On top of his NHL career Palffy was also a stalwart with the Slovak national squad, representing his country 12 times internationally, and leading them to their only World Championship in 2002 with 7 points in just 3 games.

He also rocked a deadly mullet back in the day. This man clearly knows how to party:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Loge/6688/pal102.gif

That's a awesome pick...I can't believe everybody overlooked him.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 07:26 PM
D Tomas Jonsson
Repick needed.

This player is ineligible for the minor league draft because he was drafted by shawnmullin for the Thunder in the 22nd round of the main draft.
(Hey, at least it wasn't Ed Jovanovski. ;) )

shawnmullin's Nelson Leafs are on the clock.

shawnmullin
06-27-2007, 07:48 PM
Nelson selects D Al Arbour

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 07:53 PM
I have pitseleh's pick. The Quebec Bulldogs are pleased to select RW Corb Denneny.

vancityluongo
06-27-2007, 08:06 PM
Repick needed.

This player is ineligible for the minor league draft because he was drafted by shawnmullin for the Thunder in the 22nd round of the main draft.
(Hey, at least it wasn't Ed Jovanovski. ;) )

shawnmullin's Nelson Leafs are on the clock.

No way! On a recheck, I found that last time I added a extra "N" to his name while checking. Oh well, lucky kruezer and I have a backup.

D Dennis Kearns

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=2660

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 08:18 PM
Penticton's fifth round window is sacrificed voluntarily (for further deliberations)

and thus Syracuse is now up.

MXD
06-27-2007, 08:39 PM
With our first pick, the Syracuse Bulldogs selects a player who reached 50 goals twice in his career, who won the Cup twice, whom Pat Burns described best with his "Stephane, c'est Stephane" quote : RW STEPHANE RICHER

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/montreal/Richerhabs.jpg

With our second pick, the Syracuse Bulldogs selects an offensive dynamo, who is one of the few remaining players (if not the only one, amongst those who had a relatively long career) with over 1 PPG, who scored 50 goals twice, and who also won the Cup twice : C PIERRE LAROUCHE

http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/images/1974/Round%201/74008.jpg

EagleBelfour
06-27-2007, 08:46 PM
THE SYRACUSE BULLDOGS

Coach:
Clint Smith – Pierre Larouche – Stephane Richer
Herb Cain – Bronco Horvath – XXX
XXX – XXX – XXX
XXX – XXX – XXX

Hobey Baker(C) – XXX
XXX – XXX
XXX – XXX

XXX
XXX
XXX

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 08:52 PM
Larouche was one of my top five offensive centres. I question the wisdom in selecting three top-end centres so soon (Smith, Horvath and Larouche), because offensive centre is the position with the greatest abundance. But Larouche is still an excellent pick.

Stephane Richer was likely the most talented RW in the draft. His skill level was elite. But he was soft and wildly inconsistent. A team will need a tough winger to open up room for him, and the right coach to reach out to him. His consistency issues really put him low on my list.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 09:16 PM
Penticton will use its round 6 time window to confer in the boardroom.

The round 5 skipped pick might be coming soon.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 09:17 PM
Clint Smith actually played Left Wing all his life from what I know.
he did play centre too... one of those who played two positions professionally

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 09:44 PM
The Penticton Vees are proud to select the following two-way left winger with the team's skipped fifth round pick:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/16/200px-Penticton_Vees.JPG
Don Lever (lw)
http://www.canuckscentral.com/images/hlever.jpg
313 goals, 680 points in 1020 NHL games (17 pts in 30 NHL playoff games). In all-star game (1982). Captain of Vancouver Canucks (1977-79) and New Jersey Devils (1982-84).

... strong at both ends of the ice... useful killing penalties and working the power play and registered nine 20-goal seasons... selected third overall by the Vancouver Canucks at the 1972 Amateur Draft and went on to be a stalwart on the club for nearly eight full seasons... a solid two-way worker on the weak Devils for three years
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=13385

Team captain Don Lever scored the first goal in New Jersey Devils history against Pittsburgh at the Meadowlands on Oct. 5, 1982:
see the goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlHIZxObwI8

Played in 437 consecutive games from Oct. 7, 1972, through Jan. 14, 1978. Streak, which ended when he fractured his cheekbone... Was Vancouver's all-time goals and points leader upon leaving franchise in trade...
http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1972/72003.html

... wasn't a flashy player but he had excellent overall qualities. He was a leader and prided himself as consistent player with few weaknesses. He was versatile and could play all three forward positions if needed (although he seemed to be most comfortable on left wing) and had great stamina which kept him injury free for much of his career despite his all-out approach to the game of hockey... fine two way skills, leadership abilities and hard work.
http://www.sabresalumni.com/2001/lever_don.php

arrbez
06-27-2007, 10:48 PM
That's a awesome pick...I can't believe everybody overlooked him.

I originally assumed he went in the big league draft, but apparently not. He was top-10 in scoring on a number of occaisions. I guess playing your whole career with the Islanders and Kings over the past 12 years doesn't bring a lot of notoriety.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 10:58 PM
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/16/200px-Penticton_Vees.JPG
Yushkevich
http://www.semenovhockeyschool.com/images/dmitri_yushkevich.jpg
225 points in 786 NHL games (23 pts in 72 NHL playoff games). 659 PIM. In NHL all-star game (2000). Played seven seasons as a Leaf in an 11-year NHL career.

Anyone else than just me recall Dmitri Yushkevich as having been largely responsible for shutting down Lindros in the '99 playoffs? Yush was an exceptional warhorse in that series and, it turns out, in the run to the conference finals. I hated the Leafs and cheered on the Flyers (had money on the series) but came to admire Yush right there and then. I didn't watch the next round because I've disliked the Pens almost as much as I do the Leafs but I hear:
In the 1999 playoff series, the Toronto Maple Leafs eliminated the Pittsburgh Penguins, mostly because Yushkevich was so effective at hindering the Penguins Jaromir Jagr.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=11782

The 1999-00 season validated Yushkevich's stature as one of the league's leading defencemen and an invitation to the All-Star Game confirmed it... opting to play in his homeland as of the 2003-04 season... On the international stage, Yushkevich represented his homeland at the Olympics in 1992 and 1998 and is a four-time member of Russia's World Championship team (1992, 1993, 1994, 1998 and 2004) and a member of its World Cup team in 1996.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=11782

Just one year ago, in 2006, he tied Malkin for the scoring lead in the Soviet top league playoffs (15 pts):
Metallurg’s defenceman Dmitry Yushkevich became a first defenceman who scored a hat-trick in Russian playoff. Besides, he made an assist as well. After all, Yushkevich set a new record of the hockey club from Magnitogorsk among defencemen – 36 points in one season.
http://www.rushockey.com/events.php?i=sl&stream=sl_interviews&id=482

Yushkevich has excellent puck handling skills but also had a defense-first style for most of his career so he used his stick skills on a good first pass. After breaking scoring records in Russia in 2006 he said in an interview that his role back in his NHL days was not to play the top powerplay and score but to play defense (and I personally have never seen a Leaf play defense like he did).

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 11:03 PM
pit sent me a thorough list, and asked me to announce his next pick if he's not back. The Quebec Bulldogs are proud to select: LW Ed Sandford.

God Bless Canada
06-27-2007, 11:11 PM
Excellent work today, gentlemen. In the last 24 hours, we've had 21 picks. That's a terrific pace, and that's when this draft is fun - when it's moving quickly, guys are making their picks in an expedient manner, and we get some surprising selections, and some good debate.

VanIslander
06-27-2007, 11:15 PM
Excellent work today, gentlemen. In the last 24 hours, we've had 21 picks. That's a terrific pace, and that's when this draft is fun - when it's moving quickly, guys are making their picks in an expedient manner, and we get some surprising selections, and some good debate.
Almost too fast!

I haven't had time to profile some of the picks during the round and - dang - we can all use more research time! :teach:

pitseleh
06-27-2007, 11:18 PM
Thanks for making my picks GBC, I'll post details on them a little later.

RW Corb Denneny, brother of Cy, was a very good scorer in the NHA and the NHL. In his best season, he finished third in the NHL in scoring and first in assists. He finished in the top-10 for points four times out of his first five seasons.

LW Ed Sandford was a five time All-Star, a second team All Star in 1954, and was awarded a retroactive Conn Smythe for 1953. He was a consistent goal scorer throughout his career.

shawnmullin
06-28-2007, 02:06 AM
Hmm given the totals some D are putting up, I think this guy fits in ahead of some fellas who have all ready been taken. A former captain, Olympic medalist and now a star making over 6 million bucks a year.

D Kimmo Timonen

301 points in 573 games

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=15112

VanIslander
06-28-2007, 05:48 AM
reflections on round 4 and 5 combined:

players stolen off the Vees long list: Brown, Hebenton, McKegney, Palffy, Ferraro, Kearns
players who should've been on the list: McDonald, Oliver
players who probably drafted a bit early: Anisin, Sedin
interesting picks: Arbour, Denneny

Wisent
06-28-2007, 11:48 AM
Anyang Halla drafts Darius Kasparaitis

VanIslander
06-28-2007, 11:53 AM
Anyang Halla drafts Darius Kasparaitis
:clap:

While it may be early to draft a #5/#6 third pairing guy, there's no doubt that he's an excellent role player who'd be called up to the big league often.

pitseleh
06-28-2007, 12:14 PM
mullin/VanI picked Berenson in the main draft.

ck26
06-28-2007, 12:21 PM
mullin/VanI picked Berenson in the main draft.I stopped looking when I didn't see him in the top 300. No way he falls to 631. I'll figure something else out.

ck26
06-28-2007, 12:25 PM
'control F' search is superfast and effective

and yeah, i thought he a decent find late in the draft, but received nothing but criticism for it, not one compliment... expansion team star seems to be treated about equivalent to the WHA...there's a team in the draft called the red wings and i got bored ...

its the quotation marks around red that screwed me up. my bad.

pappyline
06-28-2007, 12:31 PM
Whitby selects fred stanfield

VanIslander
06-28-2007, 12:35 PM
fred stanfield
211 goals, 616 points in 914 NHL games (56 pts in 106 NHL playoff games).

In Boston, Stanfield joined Johnny McKenzie and Johnny Bucyk to form what is often considered to have been the best second line in hockey from 1967 to 1972. Known as "Steady Freddie." Stanfield had a reputation as a player who showed up to play every night. His hard work, fine skating and face-off prowess endeared him to the Bruin fans and made an important contribution to the team's two Stanley Cup victories in 1970 and 1972.

In the ten season after his arrival in Boston, Stanfield broke the 20-goal plateau seven times.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=14422

arrbez
06-28-2007, 12:57 PM
Springfield selects one of the top defensive defencemen of the 80's:

Normand Rochefort


He played his junior hockey with the Trois-Rivieres Draveurs and the Quebec Ramparts of the QMJHL from 1977 to 1980. He was then drafted by the Nordiques and, at age 19, made the jump directly to the NHL.

But obscurity continued to follow Rochefort, in part because of his stay-at-home style of play and in part because the Nordiques had a long-standing reputation for being weak on defense. If such was the case, it was thought, then perhaps Rochefort wasn't really all that good. However, he was the kind of defender who was noticed only when he made a mistake--and he didn't make many of those.

He anchored the Nordiques' blueline, which had a strong offensive orientation, for seven seasons until his little secret got out. He was invited to play at Rendez-vous '87 and the Canada Cup later that year. He surprised everyone as the steadiest defender at the tournament. From then on, Rochefort was on the NHL map.


We feel Rochefort will give us the size and stay-at-home presence we need to compliment either Liapkin or Rautakallio. Just like some of the offensive stars of the clutch-and-grab era probably don't get their due, we think Rochefort is in a similar position, as one of the great defensive players of the run-and-gun 80's.

vancityluongo
06-28-2007, 02:02 PM
Okay, the Giants select another guy to help anchor that blueline.

D Kent Douglas

Kent Douglas (b. 6 February 1936 in Cobalt, Ontario) is a retired professional ice hockey defenceman and coach. He is best remembered for winning the Calder Trophy as Rookie of the Year in the 1962-63 NHL season, when he played for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Before his first NHL season, Douglas spent five years playing for the AHL's Springfield Indians, under the tutelage of the eccentric Eddie Shore.

Douglas was unable to maintain his early success, although he did go on to play more than 400 NHL games. Douglas won two Stanley Cups while with the Leafs, and also played for the Detroit Red Wings.

Spitfire11
06-28-2007, 02:53 PM
A bit of a risky pick considering he's never been to the playoffs, but he's dominated at a couple World Championships and adding another 6'3 winger is never a bad thing. Windsor takes Rocket Richard trophy winner:

LW Rick Nash

ck26
06-28-2007, 03:08 PM
A bit of a risky pick considering he's never been to the playoffs, but he's dominated at a couple World Championships and adding another 6'3 winger is never a bad thing. Windsor takes Rocket Richard trophy winner:

LW Rick NashI'll give away two inches in exchange for 20 lbs and a couple of playoff appearances.

RW Jonathan Cheechoo

God Bless Canada
06-28-2007, 03:36 PM
The Estevan Strippers are pleased to select a couple of gritty power wingers who can score. And they're small-town, Western Canadian boys. You can't beat that.

The first is a guy I've always wanted on my team. He's somewhat of a local, as he was born and raised an hour from Estevan. He played lots of minor hockey in our barn, including a year of bantam. And I've had the pleasure of chatting with him on multiple occasions. From Carlyle, Saskatchewan: LW Brenden Morrow.

The other is going to be our captain. He's a three-time World Hockey champion, arguably the best power forward left on the market, a tenacious forechecker, a strong backchecker, and a player whose character and integrity are undisputed by those who know him. The new Captain Canada: RW Shane Doan.

ck26
06-28-2007, 04:01 PM
LW Brenden Morrow.
RW Shane Doan. :handclap:

I'd rather have either of these two than Ferraro. Why I convinced myself it was better to start with retired guys is anyone's guess.

God Bless Canada
06-28-2007, 04:11 PM
:handclap:

I'd rather have either of these two than Ferraro. Why I convinced myself it was better to start with retired guys is anyone's guess.
I was expecting you to take Morrow at some point, because I know you're a Dallas fan, and so you'd know better than any of us what Morrow brings to a team, on and off the ice.

I had Morrow and Doan rated very high on my list. At this point in the draft, you're not going to find many guys capable of getting 30 goals, 70 points and 100-150 PIMs, while giving your team an aggressive forecheck, an extra boost in bravery, and strong leadership. We got two of them. They can play on the power play or the penalty kill. You feel a little bigger when you've got guys like Morrow and Doan on your team (plus Beukeboom and Samuelsson), and you know that they have your back.

Both are sentimental favourites of mine, but at pick No. 700-something, you can justify taking them at this point in the draft.

I nearly picked Morrow when I went with Curt Fraser in the main draft. As I stated before, I've always wanted Morrow on my team, and at that point, I wasn't expecting to do the minor league draft.

Morrow will be a fixture in the main draft, no matter how many teams we have, within two years.

Ferraro's not a bad pick. Better than some of the offensive centres drafted at this point. It's just that there are lots of skilled centres still out there. Not a pick that you should be disappointed with.

Spitfire11
06-28-2007, 04:17 PM
Aw, Doan was my next pick!

Nash - Getzlaf - Doan would have been unstoppable!

ck26
06-28-2007, 04:23 PM
At this point in the draft, you're not going to find many guys capable of getting 30 goals, 70 points and 100-150 PIMs, while giving your team an aggressive forecheck, an extra boost in bravery, and strong leadership. We got two of them. Ferraro's not a bad pick. Better than some of the offensive centres drafted at this point. It's just that there are lots of skilled centres still out there. Not a pick that you should be disappointed with.Ryan Smyth is a 400-ish player, and I rate Doan and Morrow as on par with him.

There may be a handful of scorers that are equal to Ferraro, but because I'm a Dallas fan and a graduate of the Gainey School of Hockey, I don't know many of those scorers, but I know tons of aggressive, forechecking, brave Canadians.

At this point, I have my scoring line. 14 skaters to go ...

Spitfire11
06-28-2007, 04:26 PM
D Robyn Regehr

VanIslander
06-28-2007, 07:57 PM
reflections on round 6:

players stolen off the Vees long list: Larouche, Kasparaitis, Stanfield
players who should've been on the list: Sandford !
players probably drafted a tad bit early: Cheechoo, Nash
interesting picks: Douglas, Rochefort

VanIslander
06-28-2007, 08:18 PM
LW Ed Sandford.
251 points in 502 NHL games (24 pts in 42 NHL playoff games). NHL Second All-Star Team (1954). In NHL All-Star Game (1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955). Boston Bruins captain (1955).

... young sniper... evolved into a steady performer who was good for about 30 points per season.... His most striking performance came during the playoffs of 1953. The Bruins made it to the Stanley Cup finals and although they were ousted four games to one by the Canadiens, Sanford contributed eight goals and three assists to the losing cause.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=14216

arrbez
06-28-2007, 09:18 PM
Gentlemen, sorry for the wait.

But I made the last pick, so I'm hoping Raleh can make it in time to make the next one here. If he can't make it in the next 1.5 hours or so, I'll go ahead with a player and hope he agrees with my judgement.

raleh
06-28-2007, 09:36 PM
Springfield selects a player who Arrbez and I believe to be one of the best two way forces still on the board. C/LW Simon Gagne.

arrbez
06-28-2007, 10:17 PM
Springfield selects a player who Arrbez and I believe to be one of the best two way forces still on the board. C/LW Simon Gagne.

Right on, brotha.

A smart, speedy, two-way player who's blossomed into one of the elite goal scorers in the league. He's +131 for his career, and he's never had a minus season (an especially impressive feat considering this past year). When you've been a mainstay on Team Canada since the age of 21, you're certainly doing something right.

The kicker was his versatility. He can play centre or wing, and he's a guy who can be equally effective on our checking line, or on a scoring line.

pappyline
06-29-2007, 04:42 AM
Whitby selects Mike Walton

pappyline
06-29-2007, 05:01 AM
Gentlemen, sorry for the wait.

But I made the last pick, so I'm hoping Raleh can make it in time to make the next one here. If he can't make it in the next 1.5 hours or so, I'll go ahead with a player and hope he agrees with my judgement.
I thought having co-GM's was supposed to speed up things not slow them down.

VanIslander
06-29-2007, 05:25 AM
Mike Walton
Centre. 201 goals, 448 points in 588 NHL games (24 pts in 47 NHL playoff games). In all-star game (1968).

... Walton married Conn Smythe's granddaughter. This made him part of the Leafs' family in literal terms, but it didn't do much to enhance his relationship with the club's coach, Punch Imlach.

Upon Walton's arrival at his first training camp, Imlach told him to cut off his expansive sideburns and trim his slightly unruly hair. Walton refused. Eventually the two adversaries worked things out between themselves. But that didn't dissuade George Armstrong and Tim Horton from hiding in his room one night, trapping the young recruit and proceeding to work him over like drunken barbers.:biglaugh:
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=14632

ck26
06-29-2007, 07:09 AM
Brave, small-town Western Canadian boys. You can't beat that.It is with a heavy heart after missing out on Morrow and Doan that the Omaha Ice Breakers select a brave kid from a small, Western Canadian Town.

Former Saskatoon Blades great, defenseman Richard Matvichuk, from Edmonton, Alberta.

Wisent
06-29-2007, 08:08 AM
Anyang Halla drafts Alexei Gusarov.

arrbez
06-29-2007, 10:50 AM
I thought having co-GM's was supposed to speed up things not slow them down.

It only slowed us down 15 minutes...

I'd feel bad if I was making all the picks. We discussed who we want, but we didn't have anything set in stone yet...

MXD
06-29-2007, 11:13 AM
The first is a guy I've always wanted on my team. He's somewhat of a local, as he was born and raised an hour from Estevan. He played lots of minor hockey in our barn, including a year of bantam. And I've had the pleasure of chatting with him on multiple occasions. From Carlyle, Saskatchewan: LW Brenden Morrow.

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Here goes the SECOND player I highly thought about drafting in the main draft -- went for Vic Stasiuk instead. Morrow will be a staple for future All-Time Draft -- way ahead of the somewhat similar Shane Doan for that matter.

MXD
06-29-2007, 11:57 AM
Stephane Richer was likely the most talented RW in the draft. His skill level was elite. But he was soft and wildly inconsistent. A team will need a tough winger to open up room for him, and the right coach to reach out to him. His consistency issues really put him low on my list.

Here's a comment that puzzles me... I mean, in spite of his inconsistency, the guy managed to score 400+ goals in his career, with two 50 goals seasons. His inconsistency issues were somewhat pushed by Montreal's scrutiny... Heck, even Jean Beliveau was considered inconsistent at times in Montreal. For ATD issues, I think that a consistent 400 goals scorer is worth as much as an inconsistent 400 goal scorer.

MXD
06-29-2007, 12:01 PM
Springfield selects one of the top defensive defencemen of the 80's:

Normand Rochefort
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Here's a pick I would highly question -- but he would be a great fit with either Rautakallio or Liapkin. Too bad his career was cut short due to injuries. I saw him play lately in the NAHL...

arrbez
06-29-2007, 12:47 PM
Here's a pick I would highly question -- but he would be a great fit with either Rautakallio or Liapkin. Too bad his career was cut short due to injuries. I saw him play lately in the NAHL...

We wanted a big, strong, stay-at-home guy who doesn't make mistakes, and I think we got our man. He was good enough to represent the NHL in Rendezvous 86, and then Team Canada in 1987 (where he was arguably Canada's best defensive defender).

His career was cut short by injury, but that's likely going to be the case with many players selected from here on out. Anyone past this point with top-end talent is probably going to be either inconsistant, injured, still young and unacomplished, or have attitude issues.

God Bless Canada
06-29-2007, 12:58 PM
Here's a comment that puzzles me... I mean, in spite of his inconsistency, the guy managed to score 400+ goals in his career, with two 50 goals seasons. His inconsistency issues were somewhat pushed by Montreal's scrutiny... Heck, even Jean Beliveau was considered inconsistent at times in Montreal. For ATD issues, I think that a consistent 400 goals scorer is worth as much as an inconsistent 400 goal scorer.
Richer scored over 400, but he had the talent to be an HHOF player. He should have been challenging for the goal scoring lead each year.

I know that a goal is a goal, but I'd much rather have the guy who was good for 30-35 every year, and who gave you his all every shift, than the guy who is an offensive roller coaster and doesn't give you anything besides offence.

There is no way, with his skill level, that Richer should be selected in the minor league draft. It's hard to say it about a guy who scored 421 goals, but he really was a dissapointment.

MXD
06-29-2007, 01:13 PM
We wanted a big, strong, stay-at-home guy who doesn't make mistakes, and I think we got our man. He was good enough to represent the NHL in Rendezvous 86, and then Team Canada in 1987 (where he was arguably Canada's best defensive defender).

His career was cut short by injury, but that's likely going to be the case with many players selected from here on out. Anyone past this point with top-end talent is probably going to be either inconsistant, injured, still young and unacomplished, or have attitude issues.


When I said I questionned the pick... It was more about his longevity. I saw Rochefort play a lot (towards the end of his career with the Nords), and yes, he was an excellent SAH D-Men that was crippled by injuries. There will lots of "would have been if..." selected in this draft, and I can think of one present-day player whose value is really equal to Rochefort (plus, they played about the same number of games).

And about the Nords, not only they didn't had a very good defense (in their own end) in the eighties (that's actually an understatement, as they probably had one of the worst for those 10 years), but they never had a that good goaltending. Not naming anybody here, but they were league's average when they had their best goaltending corps.

But hey... We picked Horvath. And there's no way Rochefort shouldn't go in this minor draft.

MXD
06-29-2007, 01:20 PM
Richer scored over 400, but he had the talent to be an HHOF player. He should have been challenging for the goal scoring lead each year.

I know that a goal is a goal, but I'd much rather have the guy who was good for 30-35 every year, and who gave you his all every shift, than the guy who is an offensive roller coaster and doesn't give you anything besides offence.

There is no way, with his skill level, that Richer should be selected in the minor league draft. It's hard to say it about a guy who scored 421 goals, but he really was a dissapointment.


And about his goals total... Gotta remember that he played for the '80 Habs and the '90 Devils, probably the most defensive-oriented teams of their respective decade. Put him with, let's say.... Any other team for that matter. This guy would have been close to 500, and this is if he wouldn't have reached it. His lack of consistency explains the fact that he didn't reach 500, or even 600, but the squad he played also provides an explanation.

shawnmullin
06-29-2007, 06:24 PM
C Dave Gagne

318 goals and 719 points in 946 games

48 points in 57 playoff games

27 points in 23 games for the North Stars in their run to the Cup finals

6 strait 30 plus goal seasons, 8 20 plus goal seasons and 2 40 plus

(and his son is my new avatar)

pitseleh
06-29-2007, 06:28 PM
The Bulldogs are proud to select D Gilles Marotte.

Though he is generally associated (along with Pit Martin) as being the guy on the wrong side of the Phil Esposito to Boston trade, Marotte was an excellent player in his own right.

Nicknamed "Captain Crunch" he had a reputation for his bone rattling body checks. He was a steady defensive player and a good passer, shown by his strong assist totals. Combined with Bucko McDonald, we now feel we have two of the most feared body checkers on D left for the minor league draft. Opposing forwards will have to keep their cumulative heads up.

Spitfire11
06-29-2007, 06:35 PM
C Dave Gagne

318 goals and 719 points in 946 games

48 points in 57 playoff games

27 points in 23 games for the North Stars in their run to the Cup finals

6 strait 30 plus goal seasons, 8 20 plus goal seasons and 2 40 plus

(and his son is my new avatar)

Nice pick, I originally planned to take him 2nd overall but ended up going with Pederson instead. Surprised he lasted so long.

vancityluongo
06-29-2007, 07:40 PM
Sorry for not discussing this kruezer, but I kind of wanted to make this pick now.

May be a tad early, but regardless, I feel our club could really use this guy and his various talents.

Rounding off our top line, RW Pavol Demitra.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavol_Demitra

kruezer
06-29-2007, 07:48 PM
Sorry for not discussing this kruezer, but I kind of wanted to make this pick now.

May be a tad early, but regardless, I feel our club could really use this guy and his various talents.

Rounding off our top line, RW Pavol Demitra.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavol_Demitra
I was actually thinking quite seriously about picking Demitra, nice work.

VanIslander
06-29-2007, 07:56 PM
The Penticton Vees are pleased to select the only 300+ win goaltender around (including playoff wins), and with a winning win-loss record to boot, a crowd favorite and most likeable guy for the dressing room, Vezina finalist in 1988 (fourth in voting in '91) ...
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/16/200px-Penticton_Vees.JPG
Kelly Hrudey.
http://pages.prodigy.net/oldchl/khrudeyindy.jpg

Blue-bandana wearing "Hollywood" amassed a 271-265 win-loss record plus 36 playoff wins, including a run to the Finals with the Kings in '93. While in L.A. he was three times voted team MVP, voted most popular player, unsung hero and most inspirational player. In 1989, the year he was traded from NYI to LA, he played more games than any other NHL goaltender that season (66).

Hrudey was the Islanders' goaltender in 1987 when they defeated the Washington Capitals in the longest game in club history, a four-overtime Game 7 thriller known as the "Easter Epic", which was won on a goal by Pat Lafontaine after 68:47 of overtime. Hrudey made 73 saves (a playoff record) in a 3-2 Islander victory that ended just before 2am on Easter morning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Hrudey

shares record for most assists by an Isles goaltender in one season (3 in 1985-86)
http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1980/80038.html

Los Angeles Records: Most career playoff games played by a goaltender (57), most career playoff wins (26), most games played by a goaltender in one playoff year (20 in 1993), most wins in one playoff year (10 in 1993), most shots faced in one season (2,219 in 1993-94), most ties in one season (13 in 1991-92, shares record)
http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1980/80038.html

Not every media analyst used to be a Darren Pang.;)

shawnmullin
06-29-2007, 07:59 PM
I was looking very hard at Kelly this round