U17 World Hockey Challenge Thread

cagney
12-28-2003, 11:46 AM
Figured I'd start a thread for discussion about this tournament. The first exhibition games have started and the games that count will get started tomorrow.

Link to U17 Site (http://u17.leaguestat.com/en/stats/scores.php)

cagney
12-28-2003, 07:32 PM
The US won thier exhibition game against Team Pacific earlier today by a score of 3-1...

USA Hockey Wrap-Up (http://www.usahockey.com/usa_hockey/ntdp/home_ntdp/031228_u17pac//)

The only score which was put up on the Hockey Canada site was for this game although it has since been taken down, probably because the stat system they are using was incorporating the exhibition scores into the tournament scoring. While the score was close the US outshot Team Pacific by 15+ shots (US had around 40-45 shots while Pacific had about 25+ IIRC). If the US can carry this kind of play into the tournament they should be very strong.

fan75
12-28-2003, 07:54 PM
Does anyone know the score in Ontario's exhibition game?

Slay
12-28-2003, 10:01 PM
Does anyone know the score in Ontario's exhibition game?

ON 5 CZE 2

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/championships/u17/2004/sked.html

Steelerman
12-29-2003, 09:00 AM
You should probably make this thread a sticky so it will stay up on the first page...

For some reason Hockey Canada has the 5-2 Ontario game against the Czechs. Of course it's the Slovaks they beat...

Here's the exhibition scores:

ON 5 SVK 2 ex
WST 7 GER 5 ex
PAC 1 USA 3 ex
QC 3 RUS 3 ex
ATL 2 FIN 5 ex

And the games on today:

01 15:30 SVK vs USA Mile One Stadium
02 15:30 RUS vs PAC Glacier
03 19:30 ON vs FIN Glacier
04 18:30 Opening Ceremonies Mile One Stadium
05 19:30 QC vs ATL

The Russia-Pacific game should be one of the better games of the day, although the Atlantic-Quebec would be interesting to me (if only I were there).

Hope to see some game reports from folks on the Rock...

smnhppu
12-29-2003, 10:42 AM
Where can we get the rosters for each team?

Steelerman
12-29-2003, 11:10 AM
Here's the link off Hockey Canada:

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/championships/u17/2004/sked.html

SIBIR
12-29-2003, 12:14 PM
Go RUSSIA!

3rd period

3-1 Rus-Pacific

one question.

who should be the strongest of the canadian teams? Quebec?

SIBIR
12-29-2003, 12:22 PM
3-3 ... :madfire:

CSKA
12-29-2003, 01:43 PM
3-3 ... :madfire:


its not our day :shakehead

cagney
12-29-2003, 01:50 PM
Go RUSSIA!

3rd period

3-1 Rus-Pacific

one question.

who should be the strongest of the canadian teams? Quebec?

Most would probably say that Team Pacific has the strongest roster on paper as far as the Canadian teams go. Gilbert Brule, who scored the two goals the tie the game late, is possibly the best '87 born player in North America after Crosby.

SIBIR
12-29-2003, 01:55 PM
Most would probably say that Team Pacific has the strongest roster on paper as far as the Canadian teams go. Gilbert Brule, who scored the two goals the tie the game late, is possibly the best '87 born player in North America after Crosby.

thx!

William H Bonney
12-29-2003, 01:55 PM
Anyone see Phil Kessel play in these games yet?

HabLover
12-29-2003, 02:09 PM
its not our day :shakehead

Gilbert Brule nets 2 goals and adds an assist to lead Team Pacific in their opening game at the U17 World Tournament. Russia had led 3 - 1 until Brule stepped it up! Brock Bradford had 2 assists and Danny Bertram had 1 assist. Nick Drazenovic from the PG Cougars of the WHL had the first Team Pacific goal.

Team Pacific has a very tough sched and they could very well miss the playoff round if they don't gel right away. Ontario and Quebec should be the next strongest Canadian regions.

fan75
12-29-2003, 03:06 PM
Wow, 5-1 Ontario over Finland very early in the 2nd!

krooky
12-29-2003, 03:35 PM
I'm friends with one of the players on Team Pacific and apparently Bertram tore his MCL. Not a good sign for that team.

VOB
12-30-2003, 08:18 AM
Team Ontario SMASHED the Finns 9-2! This is suppose to be a down year for Ontario but you wouldn't know it by their play.

Steelerman
12-30-2003, 10:55 AM
As I'll try to do during the tournament, I'll post the results from the previous day's games (won't be able to do so on Thursday or Sunday):

Dec. 29, 2003

SVK 1 vs USA 5
RUS 3 vs PAC 3
ON 9 vs FIN 2
QC 4 vs ATL 7

Highlighted players...

USA: Phil Kessel 1 G (Star of the Game), Nick Foligno 1 G 1 A, Peter Mueller 2 A, Jeff Frazee 28 SV
Slovakia: Tomas Marcinko 1 G, Vladimir Kovac 51 SV (Star of the Game)

Russia: Vitaly Lyapunov 1 G 1 A, Igor Makarov 2 A, Ilja Proskuryakov 32 SV (Star of the Game)
Pacific: Gilbert Brule 2 G 1 A (Star of the Game), Brock Bradford 2 A, Carey Price 27 SV

Ontario: Gordon Downie 2 G 1 A, Andrew Cogliano 1 G 3 A, Richard Clune 1 G 3 A, Kyle Lamb 1 G 1 A, Jhase Sniderman 19 SV
Finland: Joonas Enlund 1 G, Perttu Lindgren 1 G, Timo Seppanen (Star of the Game), Juha Toivonen 41 SV

Atlantic: Justin Saulnier 2 G 3 A (Star of the Game), Daniel Ryder 2 G, Kenzie Sheppard 2 A, Geoff Walker 2 A, Ryan Mior 52 SV
Quebec: Francis Charrette 2 G 1 A (Star of the Game), Guillaume Latendresse 2 A, Francis Charland-Guerette 1 G 1 A, Maxime Roy-Desruisseaux 23 SV


And here's today's games:

Dec. 30, 2003

SVK vs GER
RUS vs WST
FIN vs PAC
ATL vs USA

fan75
12-30-2003, 01:44 PM
Ontario: Gordon Downie 2 G 1 A
I didn't know Team Ontario had recruited the Tragically Hip. ;)

It's Steve Downie.

SIBIR
12-30-2003, 02:19 PM
Rus-Wes 6-2 !

Churilov 3 points! :handclap:

CSKA
12-30-2003, 02:27 PM
Rus-Wes 6-2 !

Churilov 3 points! :handclap:

This kid is awesome ! Maybe the next Kovalchuk ? :lol:

SIBIR
12-30-2003, 02:41 PM
This kid is awesome ! Maybe the next Kovalchuk ? :lol:

we will see ... ;)

Steelerman
12-30-2003, 04:03 PM
I didn't know Team Ontario had recruited the Tragically Hip. ;)

It's Steve Downie.

Ha, ha, ha!!! Guess my inside joke made the news here... thanks for catching that error.

Steelerman
12-30-2003, 04:58 PM
Here's the results from today's games:

Dec. 30, 2003

SVK 5 vs GER 1
RUS 6 vs WST 2
FIN 1 vs PAC 6
ATL 3 vs USA 10

Highlighted players:

Slovakia: David Skokan 1 G 2 A, David Buc 1 G 1 A, Michal Klejna 1 G 1 A, Marek Biro 2 A, Marek Bartanus 1 G (Star of the Game), Vladimir Kovac 36 SV

Germany: Andre Schietzold 1 G, Philip Gogulla 1 A (Star of the Game), Daniel Kovacic 21 SV


Russia: Egor Zharkov 2 G 1 A, Gennady Churilov 1 G 2 A (Star of the Game), Alexander Bumagin 2 A, Sergey Letunovski 16 SV

Western: Michael Kaye 1 G (Star of the Game), Alex Archibald 12 SV/16 SHT, Real Cyr 17 SV/19 SHT


Pacific: Jerrid Sauer 1 G 1 A, Dustin Kohn 1 A (Star of the Game), Carey Price 21 SV

Finland: Joonas Koskinen 1 G, Jani Nieminen 25 SV (Star of the Game)


USA: Nathan Lawrence 2 G 1 A (Star of the Game), Nathan Gerbe 2 G, Jimmy Fraser 2 G, Nick Foligno 1 G 1 A, Ryan Stoa 1 G 1 A, Jack Skille 2 A, Mark Mitera 2 A, Phil Kessel 1 A, Billy Blase 15 SV

Atlantic: Dean Ouellet 2 G (Star of the Game), Jordan Clendenning 2 A, Justin Saulnier 1 A, Daniel Ryder 1 A, Ben McFarlane 27 SV/34 SHT, Ryan Mior 23 SV/26 SHT



And here's what ahead for Wednesday:

Dec. 31, 2003

10 13:30 GER vs QC Mile One Stadium
11 13:30 WST vs ON Glacier
12 17:30 FIN vs RUS Glacier
13 17:30 ATL vs SVK Mile One Stadium

Pekka Lampinen
12-30-2003, 11:31 PM
Whew. After the first games I feared the world was coming to an end, but now Finland seems to be getting their traditional trouncing after all.

Steelerman
12-31-2003, 09:40 AM
Whew. After the first games I feared the world was coming to an end, but now Finland seems to be getting their traditional trouncing after all.

I give them credit for showing up every year, I hope that they're getting something out of the experience. I think it's beneficial, even for the weaker teams to get a feel for what the game's like over here. Not sure whether anyone on this team (or the U-18 Finnish side at the Viking Cup) will crack the U-20 roster in the next couple of years (next two WJC are in North America) but it can't hurt to be familiar with the ice and the style of play.

Whawks33
12-31-2003, 09:57 PM
Here's the results from today's games:

Dec. 30, 2003



Pacific: Jerrid Sauer 1 G 1 A, Dustin Kohn 1 A (Star of the Game), Carey Price 21 SV

Finland: Joonas Koskinen 1 G, Jani Nieminen 25 SV (Star of the Game)




Thought Dustin Butler was in goal for this game. Thats what the game sheet says. (Was his birthday after all, he should at least get credit for the win!)

http://u17.leaguestat.com/en/leaguestat/game-report.php?game_id=11

VOB
01-01-2004, 05:10 PM
It seems that the European teams have adjusted to the North American ice and play now. Team Finland hammered Team West 10-3 and Germany topped Team Atlantic 5-3.

On another note, the U.S. lost its first game of the tourney, falling 4-1 to Team Quebec.

SIBIR
01-02-2004, 02:39 AM
It seems that the European teams have adjusted to the North American ice and play now. Team Finland hammered Team West 10-3 and Germany topped Team Atlantic 5-3.




:handclap:

Newfie Bruin
01-02-2004, 07:51 AM
Well, i have seen every game played at Mile One in the Tourney. This is a great tournament.

On Atlantic, I like Ryder, Bourdon and Mior
On USA, i like Kessel, Gerbe and there D are Strong
On Germany, Gawlik is a superb player
On Quebec, LAtendresse, Paquet and Levassuer
On Slovakia, their Goalie and MArcinko

Who is the best on Russia?

SIBIR
01-02-2004, 07:58 AM
Well, i have seen every game played at Mile One in the Tourney. This is a great tournament.

On Atlantic, I like Ryder, Bourdon and Mior
On USA, i like Kessel, Gerbe and there D are Strong
On Germany, Gawlik is a superb player
On Quebec, LAtendresse, Paquet and Levassuer
On Slovakia, their Goalie and MArcinko

Who is the best on Russia?


It should be Churilov (he has great numbers in the russian juniors leagues). He was the captain in the first games, but now not any more ... I assume he dissapointed the coaches ...:dunno:

Best defnseman: Anikeenko

SIBIR
01-02-2004, 08:01 AM
the last name of the russian coach:

KALASHNIKOV ... :D :bow:

CSKA
01-02-2004, 08:05 AM
the last name of the russian coach:

KALASHNIKOV ... :D :bow:


:D :yo: :D

Newfie Bruin
01-02-2004, 08:08 AM
Are they projected first rounders

SIBIR
01-02-2004, 08:11 AM
Are they projected first rounders

no idea ...

Steelerman
01-02-2004, 11:08 AM
In regards to Churilov, he's considered to be a mid-to-late 1st rounder. Anikeenko is a top five pick in some circles (without seeing him play I have no idea if he's living up to it.

Steelerman
01-02-2004, 11:11 AM
I probably won't have time to post anything other than game results today from the last two days, but here's the scoring leaders up to today:

1 Andrew Cogliano Ontario 3 4 4 8 4
2 Justin Saulnier Atlantic 4 4 4 8 6
3 Gilbert Brule Pacific 4 5 2 7 4
4 Daniel Ryder Atlantic 4 4 3 7 10
5 Guillaume Latendresse Quebec 3 2 5 7 4
6 Richard Clune Ontario 3 1 6 7 2
7 Nathan Gerbe USA 4 4 2 6 2
8 Francis Charrette Quebec 3 3 3 6 4
9 Steve Downie Ontario 3 3 3 6 4
10 Jean-Philippe Paquet Quebec 3 3 3 6 0
11 Nick Foligno USA 4 3 3 6 0
12 Mikko Lehtonen Finland 4 3 2 5 0
13 Bryan Little Ontario 3 2 3 5 4
14 Brock Bradford Pacific 4 2 3 5 2
15 Jordan Clendenning Atlantic 4 2 3 5 2
16 Mikael Kurki Finland 4 1 4 5 4
17 Perttu Lindgren Finland 4 1 4 5 0
18 Geoff Walker Atlantic 4 1 4 5 6
19 Tomas Marcinko Slovakia 3 3 1 4 4
20 Egor Zharkov Russia 3 3 1 4 4

Steelerman
01-02-2004, 11:23 AM
Here are the last two day's results:

Dec. 31, 2003

GER 0 QUE 8
WST 5 ONT 6
FIN 3 RUS 5
ATL 6 SVK 4


Jan. 01 , 2004

PAC 5 ONT 5
QUE 4 USA 1
ATL 3 GER 5
WST 3 FIN 10



The current standings look like this:

Pool A
1 Quebec 3 2 1 0 0 16 8 4 pts.
2 USA 3 2 1 0 0 21 8 4 pts.
3 Atlantic 4 2 2 0 0 19 23 4 pts.
4 Slovakia 3 1 2 0 0 10 12 2 pts.
5 Germany 3 1 2 0 0 6 21 2 pts.

Pool B
1 Ontario 3 2 0 1 0 20 12 5 pts.
2 Russia 3 2 0 1 0 14 8 5 pts.
3 Pacific 3 1 0 2 0 17 10 4 pts.
4 Finland 4 1 3 0 0 16 23 2 pts.
5 Western 3 0 3 0 0 11 25 0 pts.

Today's games (two in progress):

Jan. 02 , 2004

USA vs GER (USA up 7-1 in second period)
PAC vs WST (Pacific up 3-1 in second period)
ONT vs RUS
QC vs SVK

Pool A looks cut and dry: Quebec needs no less than a tie against Slovakia to advance, the USA the same vs. Germany (although they've all but clinched a spot at this point). I think the first tie-breaker is head-to-head matchup, which means if Quebec and the USA are tied Quebec will take first place. (Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.)

Pool B is a mess with three teams unbeaten but with ties. Pacific has to win to have any chance of advancing and hope that Russia or Ontario loses. If Russia and Ontario tie, then I have no clue if it's goal difference or what will decide between the three teams. Will be an interesting night in St. John's...

canucksfan
01-02-2004, 12:55 PM
Brule got 2 goals and 2 assists as the Pacific beat the West 7-2. USA pounded Germany 12-1. Russia and Ontario play latter on today.

canucksfan
01-02-2004, 12:57 PM
Pool A looks cut and dry: Quebec needs no less than a tie against Slovakia to advance, the USA the same vs. Germany (although they've all but clinched a spot at this point). I think the first tie-breaker is head-to-head matchup, which means if Quebec and the USA are tied Quebec will take first place. (Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.)

Pool B is a mess with three teams unbeaten but with ties. Pacific has to win to have any chance of advancing and hope that Russia or Ontario loses. If Russia and Ontario tie, then I have no clue if it's goal difference or what will decide between the three teams. Will be an interesting night in St. John's...
Do the top 2 teams from each Pool advance.

Newfie Bruin
01-02-2004, 05:20 PM
The round robin-its over

1st is Ontario
2nd is PAcific
-Ontario beat Russia 6-0
-Pacific beat western 7-2

in the other division
1st is USA
2nd is Quebec

-Quebec and Slovakia tied 4-4...It was 4-2 Slovakia with less than 35 seconds left and Quebec scored. Then with 15 sec left they scored again...I was so mad!!(Atlantic never made it)

canucksfan
01-02-2004, 06:15 PM
The round robin-its over

1st is Ontario
2nd is PAcific
-Ontario beat Russia 6-0
-Pacific beat western 7-2

in the other division
1st is USA
2nd is Quebec

-Quebec and Slovakia tied 4-4...It was 4-2 Slovakia with less than 35 seconds left and Quebec scored. Then with 15 sec left they scored again...I was so mad!!(Atlantic never made it)
So the US plays the Pacific and Ontario plays Quebec.

Steelerman
01-03-2004, 11:21 AM
Thanks for the help there GOBRUINS19. Can't believe the Slovaks lost the lead that quickly. Shades of a game in Selkirk in the last tournament when Quebec scored with less than a second left to beat the Czechs in round-robin play (I think it was Steve Bernier who pulled it off).

The ninth place game is over: Western defeated Germany 7-5. Chris Durand scored four goals for Western (giving him six for the tournament). Christoph Gawlik and Thomas Pielmeier each scored twice for the Germans.

The fifth place game is in the 2nd period: score is tied 2-2 between Russia and Atlantic. The seventh place game is also in the 2nd period with Finland leading 5-0 over Slovakia.

Gotta give a call to the fans in Newfoundland. I see a lot of good crowds in the attendance figures. Attendance was 1500 for the ninth place game today, that's excellent for the two weakest teams in the tournament. Even the crowds in Glacier while they look small in comparison are actually very good in comparison to the Selkirk/Stonewall tournament two years ago.

VOB
01-03-2004, 06:44 PM
It will be an all Canadian final. Team Pacific downed the U.S. 7-4. This is somewhat shocking since many were saying this was the best U-17 team the U.S. has ever had, yet they lose two games to regional Canadian teams.

1987 must be a very strong and deep year for Canada. This bodes well for their continued success in their game of hockey.

Newfie Bruin
01-04-2004, 05:39 AM
Who is the best Ontario Defensemen?

cagney
01-04-2004, 12:00 PM
It will be an all Canadian final. Team Pacific downed the U.S. 7-4. This is somewhat shocking since many were saying this was the best U-17 team the U.S. has ever had, yet they lose two games to regional Canadian teams.

1987 must be a very strong and deep year for Canada. This bodes well for their continued success in their game of hockey.

I don't know what happend with this US team. They beat the Russians at thier first international tournament which is something past U17 teams have really had trouble doing. They had been on a bit of a losing streak before this but I thought they would use this tournament to break out of it. It does seem that by the third game they started having goaltending issues which surprises me because Frazee has been solid up until this tournament. They also didn't have problems generating shots (they had 30 in the second period of todays game against Quebec alone!) but they couldn't seem to burry them against the Canadian teams. Oh well, in spite of the poor results at this tournament I still trust those who say this team is one of the most talented in years. They'll have more chances to prove themselves down the road.

Beatnik
01-04-2004, 01:22 PM
Québec won the bronze medal game agains USA! it's gonna be a all canadian podium.

canucksfan
01-04-2004, 03:39 PM
Québec won the bronze medal game agains USA! it's gonna be a all canadian podium.
Wow what a great showing for Canada. Right now Ontario is beating the Pacific 4-1 at the end of the 2nd period.

Newfie Bruin
01-05-2004, 02:55 PM
Ontario Wins 5-2!!!
They were able to shut down the Brule/Setoguchi/Bradford line

Cogilano is good!!