OT: Slats rips into Avery

Is this what negotiations are like?

"Avery is not a mature player. He plays, at times, like an individual rather than a member of a team," the Rangers said of Avery. "This is sometimes referred to as an inability to see the ice, and in Avery's case this seems to fit with his overall approach to the game."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07302007/sports/rangers/slats_not_fair__rangers_call_avery_detriment_in_br ief_rangers_larry_brooks.htm

What sort of moron would trade for a guy like that?

Avery - Bell - Tucker

That would be so fun.

Avery - Bell - Tucker

That would be so fun.

I would get tired of Avery really fast. I think he's a good player, but I agree with Slats, he lacks the maturity to be a helpful player to your team. I hope he doesn't become a Leaf, his presence would be a negative one. The difference between him and Tucker, Tucker gets it, Avery doesn't.

I would get tired of Avery really fast. I think he's a good player, but I agree with Slats, he lacks the maturity to be a helpful player to your team. I hope he doesn't become a Leaf, his presence would be a negative one. The difference between him and Tucker, Tucker gets it, Avery doesn't.

Yeah, but there was a time when Tucker didn't get it (the good ol' Corson/Tucker/Green days), but Tucker has matured over time. I'm sure Avery will as well. In fact, I think Avery matured alot from the start of last season to the end of the playoffs.

I would get tired of Avery really fast. I think he's a good player, but I agree with Slats, he lacks the maturity to be a helpful player to your team. I hope he doesn't become a Leaf, his presence would be a negative one. The difference between him and Tucker, Tucker gets it, Avery doesn't.

Agreed. I hate Sean Avery with a passion.

The difference between him and Tucker? Tucker's better. :D

Avery - Bell - Tucker

That would be so fun.

Geez...I'd be afraid to line up against that line.

Geez...I'd be afraid to line up against that line.

Cheap shots, incredible pests, and diving galore, LOL.

That would be one of the most annoying lines in recent times. But I thought Bell was a winger?

I've been sayin we should re-sign Peca and somehow get Avery = Avery - Peca - Tucker.

I don't know too much about Bell - but this line would be the best super-pest line of all time. I bet they draw the most penalties ever (and take the most too :) )

I would get tired of Avery really fast. I think he's a good player, but I agree with Slats, he lacks the maturity to be a helpful player to your team. I hope he doesn't become a Leaf, his presence would be a negative one. The difference between him and Tucker, Tucker gets it, Avery doesn't.

Do you remember that game we got blown out?

Avery was pretty much the sole reason.

I think with a coach like Maurice, he would be VERY valuable for us, especially if paired with Tucker and Bell.

The guy single-handedly took Kovalchuk out of that series, we don't have someone who can do that.

Avery - Bell - Tucker

That would be so fun.

Needs more Jason Blake. But seriously that line would go too far.

Cheap shots, incredible pests, and diving galore, LOL.

That would be one of the most annoying lines in recent times. But I thought Bell was a winger?

Played as a centre in Chicago, if I remember correctly.

Needs more Jason Blake. But seriously that line would go too far.

We would never be able to deal with the trolling that a Blake-Avery-Tucker line would cause.

Holy ****, that would be bad. :help:

I like Avery. Not only does he annoy and distract players from playing hockey, he can also bring Cuthbert to Toronto ;)

guys like shanahan can go a long way to smarten someone up. before messier put his boot into domi he was an immature kid running around yapping. give avery some time, hopefully he realizes how important respect from his peers is.

oh and btw:
blake - peca - tucker > avery - bell - tucker :D

We would never be able to deal with the trolling that a Blake-Avery-Tucker line would cause.

Holy ****, that would be bad. :help:

Bring Marchment out of retirement and pair him with McCabe. Call Ron Hextall to play nets.

I like Avery. Not only does he annoy and distract players from playing hockey, he can also bring Cuthbert to Toronto ;)
that would be the only advantage. bringing her home

Bring Marchment out of retirement and pair him with McCabe. Call Ron Hextall to play nets.

If we're getting crazy then how about:

Verbeek-Avery-Tucker
Marchment-Pronger
Hextall/Billy Smith (platooning)

I like Avery. Not only does he annoy and distract players from playing hockey, he can also bring Cuthbert to Toronto ;)

I'll take Elisha

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/elisha-cuthbert/pictures/elisha-cuthbert-picture-6.jpg


You can have Chris

http://www.newswire.ca/images/rtphotos/Photo-4946.jpg

Arbitration by its very nature is contentious, but those statements seem especially nasty. Usually its more based on statistics, or observations like, "he needs to become more of a two-way player", etc.

I'll take Elisha

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/elisha-cuthbert/pictures/elisha-cuthbert-picture-6.jpg


You can have Chris

http://www.newswire.ca/images/rtphotos/Photo-4946.jpg
D'oh! I have a feeling I got the short end of the stick there!

I was actually thinking about this a week ago. Avery is no doubt very talented, but Sather hit the nail on the head. In Averys mind its the "Avery Show". He sucks in all the media attention, Im cringing thinking about how big his head would swell with Leafs T.V probably giving him some sort of Special Episode.

I really wish that I could like Sean Avery. Typically I love players like him that can go out and drive the other team nuts. And I do like Avery- on the ice.

But his off the ice comments and antics are pretty annoying. It's an arbitration hearing. Deal with it. They're all like that.

Besides I don't think he should be referring to Glen Sather as "Slats". Sounds pretty cocky.

I really wish that I could like Sean Avery. Typically I love players like him that can go out and drive the other team nuts. And I do like Avery- on the ice.

But his off the ice comments and antics are pretty annoying. It's an arbitration hearing. Deal with it. They're all like that.

Besides I don't think he should be referring to Glen Sather as "Slats". Sounds pretty cocky.

I'd call him slats too if he just said that stuff about me. Funny thing is, Sather traded for him, so by condemning him, he's essentially saying he made a bad choice as a GM.

I wouldn't mind having Avery if this team could kill penalties to save their lives.

As for Sather's comments, it's par for the course in arbitration hearings. Teams always knock the player and emphasize weaknesses, they're trying to get their price and not the player's.

Do you remember that game we got blown out?

Avery was pretty much the sole reason.

I think with a coach like Maurice, he would be VERY valuable for us, especially if paired with Tucker and Bell.

The guy single-handedly took Kovalchuk out of that series, we don't have someone who can do that.

Kovalchuk took Kovalchuk out of that series, he can't blame Avery's intensity, or gamesmanship for that. Hossa was just as horrible, Atlanta should be very concerned with the play they received from both players. As it stands, their two regular season all stars, don't appear to have what it takes to lead their teams in the post season. This is why I value Hossa so little, the man consistantly has shown me he doesn't have what it takes, to compete past game 82.

As for Tucker being better than Avery TU, I agree. But I also think if there were a coach who could slap some maturity into him, he would be a much more effective player.

Update: Avery was awarded $1.9 million, or an $800,000 raise, according to the thread on the Rangers board.

Avery @ 1.9 vs Tucker @ 3.

I wouldn't want either at those prices.

No cap, I take Avery.

Avery @ 1.9 vs Tucker @ 3.

I wouldn't want either at those prices.

No cap, I take Avery.

No way, I take Avery. At least what Tucker does he keeps on the ice and he is a more talented player.

No way, I take Avery. At least what Tucker does he keeps on the ice and he is a more talented player.

Do you mean "There's no way I take Avery" or "No way...I take Avery."

It's a little confusing the way you have it written.

Do you mean "There's no way I take Avery" or "No way...I take Avery."

It's a little confusing the way you have it written.
he does not want Avery

should have had a period after the no way.

Tucker>Avery, and it's not really close.

he does not want Avery

should have had a period after the no way.

That's what I figured after reading the second part of the sentence, but I just wanted to make sure anyways.

Do you mean "There's no way I take Avery" or "No way...I take Avery."

It's a little confusing the way you have it written.

I see that, no comma should have been there so option number one.

Update: Avery was awarded $1.9 million, or an $800,000 raise, according to the thread on the Rangers board.

TSN has the official story now .

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=215240&hubname=nhl

The NHL owners used to complain endlessly that the Arbitration process was very inflationary by its results by increasing players salaries, that then become comparables for others ..

Now it seems the owners should look internally to is own GM it employs as the cause of rising players costs .. Offers sheets and GM's paying Derek Roy and Scott Hartnell etc etc. the money they currently are willing to, seems to be increasing costs faster then arbitration is .. based on Avery losing his case and getting less then he wanted and desired ..

Tucker>Avery, and it's not really close.

I don't agree but I could be convinced otherwise. All I know of Avery is watching him the end of last year/playoffs and I was impressed. I know I don't like Tuckers game.

Maybe someone with more time could find and post each players 5 on 5 stats from last year?

Do you mean "There's no way I take Avery" or "No way...I take Avery."

It's a little confusing the way you have it written.

you have to ask?

TSN has the official story now .

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=215240&hubname=nhl

The NHL owners used to complain endlessly that the Arbitration process was very inflationary by its results by increasing players salaries, that then become comparables for others ..

Now it seems the owners should look internally to is own GM it employs as the cause of rising players costs .. Offers sheets and GM's paying Derek Roy and Scott Hartnell etc etc. the money they currently are willing to, seems to be increasing costs faster then arbitration is .. based on Avery losing his case and getting less then he wanted and desired ..
But at the same time 1.9 is a significant raise from the 1.3 that the Rangers reportedly offered him, so the arbitrator seems to have just declared a draw and met both sides in the middle.

Is this what negotiations are like?

"Avery is not a mature player. He plays, at times, like an individual rather than a member of a team," the Rangers said of Avery. "This is sometimes referred to as an inability to see the ice, and in Avery's case this seems to fit with his overall approach to the game."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07302007/sports/rangers/slats_not_fair__rangers_call_avery_detriment_in_br ief_rangers_larry_brooks.htm

"We are pleased to have Sean under contract and are looking forward to him returning with the same passion and enthusiasm he brought to our team last year," Rangers general manager Glen Sather said in a release. "He is a terrific competitor, who we expect to play a significant role in a successful season."


If I was Avery, i'd ask immediately for a trade. What a hypocrisy, one day you're a bag of scum, the other day you're welcomed hero. Which one stands, huh?

"We are pleased to have Sean under contract and are looking forward to him returning with the same passion and enthusiasm he brought to our team last year," Rangers general manager Glen Sather said in a release. "He is a terrific competitor, who we expect to play a significant role in a successful season."


If I was Avery, i'd ask immediately for a trade. What a hypocrisy, one day you're a bag of scum, the other day you're welcomed hero. Which one stands, huh?
would you expect otherwise from Sather?

But at the same time 1.9 is a significant raise from the 1.3 that the Rangers reportedly offered him, so the arbitrator seems to have just declared a draw and met both sides in the middle. Has this ever happened before? a draw down the middle, I always thought it was one or the other. This also puts the Rangers according to the Fan590, 1.7 mill over the cap, ole Sather still has to make a move.

Agreed. I hate Sean Avery with a passion.

The difference between him and Tucker? Tucker's better. :D

http://baystreetbullies.com/0607/pics/070301_tucker-avery.jpg

Or just look at the avatar. ;)

Or just look at the avatar. ;)

So what the **** is your point?

So what the **** is your point?

Good gatos man! Just a joke. You said that Tucker was better than Avery, and I posted a picture of Avery getting the best of Tucker.

I'm an Avery fan, and that fact generally isn't very well accepted. I'm not a fan of Tuckers. I know he and Avery are similar, but Tucker seems a dirtier player is all. Relax though... I'm a casual Leafs fan too. Ever since the Leafs Kings series which is one of the best I've ever seen I've had a lot of respect for your team.

LOL, wow.

I would love to see Avery with the Leafs.

Good gatos man! Just a joke. You said that Tucker was better than Avery, and I posted a picture of Avery getting the best of Tucker.

I'm an Avery fan, and that fact generally isn't very well accepted. I'm not a fan of Tuckers. I know he and Avery are similar, but Tucker seems a dirtier player is all. Relax though... I'm a casual Leafs fan too. Ever since the Leafs Kings series which is one of the best I've ever seen I've had a lot of respect for your team.

LOL, wow.

I remember that fight very well, he did not get the best of Tucker. If I remember correctly, Tucker actually clocked Avery fairly hard in that fight. But since Avery has a head full of rocks, he didn't feel it. He then wrestled Tucker to the ground, and the fight was broken up.

watch about 23 seconds in, Avery should have been down on that (but when your heads made of cement, that's what happens). He threw a bunch of punches, doesn't look like many, if any land. Then he pushes Tucker to the ice.


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Good gatos man! Just a joke. You said that Tucker was better than Avery, and I posted a picture of Avery getting the best of Tucker.


What? You posted a picture of Tucker landing the best punch, and then trying to fight with his helmet hanging right in front of his face.

Avery can thank the helmet, because before that he got clocked about as hard as you can get clocked.

With this signing, the Rangers go over the cap? Not sure how much but how can you sign Gomez and Drury and not go over the cap?

I'm almost certain they are, just not 100% and by how much.

Anybody know?

I like Tucker as an Agitator, but I like Avery too, and you can compare stats for the season, but in LA (on a weak team) he didnt have a good role, moved to NYR and look, he took off. They are basically the same person. I'd be happy with either, nad maybe Avery at this point as he's cheaper. What Leafs need to do is get rid of Belak

Avery is so much like a younger Tucker it is not funny. IMHO Avery is not getting much respect that I feel he deserves as a player...but I have no real knowledge of his off ice comments/antics/dressing room presence etc. Tucker came to to us with some baggage but it was either bs or he totally matured as player and is a true "team first" type guy imho. He made JFJ look good by accepting 3m per. I would love to have Avery on the Leafs, he is one of those guys you hate to play against but love to have on your team types, jus like Tucker. After this season, I think Avery will be in very high demand on the ufa market...and yeah, I think we'll get him for deal similar to Tucker's.

Avery is so much like a younger Tucker it is not funny. IMHO Avery is not getting much respect that I feel he deserves as a player...but I have no real knowledge of his off ice comments/antics/dressing room presence etc. Tucker came to to us with some baggage but it was either bs or he totally matured as player and is a true "team first" type guy imho. He made JFJ look good by accepting 3m per. I would love to have Avery on the Leafs, he is one of those guys you hate to play against but love to have on your team types, jus like Tucker. After this season, I think Avery will be in very high demand on the ufa market...and yeah, I think we'll get him for deal similar to Tucker's.
I believe Avery made some racial comments early in his career that cost him. Not to mention LA sending him home early because they felt they were better without him. I think the comments were about Laraque.

White for Avery

Steen-Sundin-Blake
Antropov-Wellwood-Poni
Avery-Bell-Tucker
Kilger-Stajan-Dev
Pohl

Kaberle-McCabe
Stralman-Kubina
Gill-Cola
Woz/Kronwall

Toskala
Raycroft

I remember that fight very well, he did not get the best of Tucker. If I remember correctly, Tucker actually clocked Avery fairly hard in that fight. But since Avery has a head full of rocks, he didn't feel it. He then wrestled Tucker to the ground, and the fight was broken up.

watch about 23 seconds in, Avery should have been down on that (but when your heads made of cement, that's what happens). He threw a bunch of punches, doesn't look like many, if any land. Then he pushes Tucker to the ice.


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What? You posted a picture of Tucker landing the best punch, and then trying to fight with his helmet hanging right in front of his face.

Avery can thank the helmet, because before that he got clocked about as hard as you can get clocked.

He got "clocked" as hard as you can, and yet didn't go down = Tucker throws a weak punch?

If you actually watch that video, it's not a push that drops Tucker, it's a punch. Maybe he was off balance, lost an edge whatever, he obviously didn't get knocked out, but he fell.

How is it that I can actually say that I enjoy watching the Leafs and post respectfully, and yet you still have to be jerks about it?

Tucker may have landed the best punch, but who fell first?

Oh, and EazyB97 it was all pretty much speculation that Avery ever made any comments about Laraque. Even Laraque's own teammates said that they didn't hear it. No one but Laraque did. Interesting don't you think?

What is it that prevents you from seeing plain as day that Tucker lost that fight? Is it just because of the leaf on his jersey? It seems to be the case.

I believe Avery made some racial comments early in his career that cost him. Not to mention LA sending him home early because they felt they were better without him. I think the comments were about Laraque.

We've all said stupid things in our lives we wish we could take back...I just think he is too competitive a player to not bother maturing, he can have a great career ahead of him if he mature(which I say he will).

Oh, and EazyB97 it was all pretty much speculation that Avery ever made any comments about Laraque. Even Laraque's own teammates said that they didn't hear it. No one but Laraque did. Interesting don't you think?
Do you remember the next game? Avery somehow went down in behind the net with Smith and another Oiler (I don't believe it was Laraque) then mysteriously came out bloodied. Seems like an odd claim for Laraque to make, especially when he is supposed to be a hard working stand up guy.
We've all said stupid things in our lives we wish we could take back...I just think he is too competitive a player to not bother maturing, he can have a great career ahead of him if he mature(which I say he will).
Definately, I am just saying it's one of the reasons alot of people jumped on him. He's made a few mistakes Tucker never has, ones that hit the media alot more than Tucker too. He seems to love the spotlight which comes with being a jackass. He's paid a ton to do it, and does it well, but he lives it up alot more than most pests.

He got "clocked" as hard as you can, and yet didn't go down = Tucker throws a weak punch?

If you actually watch that video, it's not a push that drops Tucker, it's a punch. Maybe he was off balance, lost an edge whatever, he obviously didn't get knocked out, but he fell.

How is it that I can actually say that I enjoy watching the Leafs and post respectfully, and yet you still have to be jerks about it?

Tucker may have landed the best punch, but who fell first?

Oh, and EazyB97 it was all pretty much speculation that Avery ever made any comments about Laraque. Even Laraque's own teammates said that they didn't hear it. No one but Laraque did. Interesting don't you think?

What is it that prevents you from seeing plain as day that Tucker lost that fight? Is it just because of the leaf on his jersey? It seems to be the case.

Maybe it's plain as day to you, but I don't see it that way, don't take it so personally. Besides, I don't see how you can make this claim that Avery won the fight. Tucker landed the heaviest, most accurate punch. Avery landed some off balance, half assed throws, and push Tucker to the ice, with a punch to his chest. I'm suppose to see that as an Avery Win? And why does it matter who fell first? Pushing someone over, wins the fight? If anything I can maybe see the claim for a draw, not the outright win, as you make it seem.

If you're worried that I'm afraid to show a Leaf losing a fight, worry no more...

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Newbury got rocked in that one, remember that game?

I was going to show this one as an example of Tie losing...but

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I forgot he actually beat Donald once...