Sabres/Canes proposal

to BUF: 0'niel

to CAR: Brown + pyatt

well, Mair could probably take over brown's role, he deserves a shot, and pyatt isnt performing. their both good for Carolina, gets more quality scoring, and gets rid of a leading cancer on their team. not exactly 'loved' by cane fans

We get o'niell, who's a gritty, powerforward who can get 30+ goals a season ,and with a change on scenery possibly more.

Wondered what the Carolina side thought? flame away.

Not going to flame you.

Pyatt is a kid that I really like, but I'm not sure I would do this deal. Brown is a center, right? We've got enough of those.

Interested to see what the other Canes fans here think.

Not going to flame you.

Pyatt is a kid that I really like, but I'm not sure I would do this deal. Brown is a center, right? We've got enough of those.

Interested to see what the other Canes fans here think.
brown is a Center/ LW, equally able at both. i origninall thought Maxim afinogenov, but brown was, aparently, of more use.

what about afinogenov instead of brown?

Afinogenov is cool as well. Wouldn't mind seeing a guy like him on this team.

Who do you have in the way of puck moving d-men? Kalinin, Tallinder? Have to admit I don't know much about them. But I'd certainly like to see the Canes pick up a mobile d-man, one way or another.

Afinogenov is cool as well. Wouldn't mind seeing a guy like him on this team.

Who do you have in the way of puck moving d-men? Kalinin, Tallinder? Have to admit I don't know much about them. But I'd certainly like to see the Canes pick up a mobile d-man, one way or another.

we do have kalienen and tallinder, kalinen imho comes with a high price of untradable, his a already good 2 way player, imo. but i thought, with the leagues WORST offense, the canes could use scores like these 2 could be.

but i thought, with the leagues WORST offense, the canes could use scores like these 2 could be.

For sure, those are two solid young players with alot of potential.

Is that a deal I would like to see made as a fan? Sure.

But is that a deal that I could foresee the team making? I'm not as sure.

I don't really think O'Neill is going anywhere at this point.

For sure, those are two solid young players with alot of potential.

Is that a deal I would like to see made as a fan? Sure.

But is that a deal that I could foresee the team making? I'm not as sure.

I don't really think O'Neill is going anywhere at this point.

yeh. reiger wont trade. not in midseason. like his scared of it! and i doubt rutherford, who, from my fairly paultry knowledge, seems inept at trading.

i would trade oneill for pyatt and afinegenov, though i dont know that it would work in the end. to get get any 2 solid young guys for oneill would be ideal. i agree with kolstov that maybe one of the young d would be good instead of 2 forwards. of all the teams to trade with, i think buffalo would be a top choice - and we definitely dont want older players coming back (brown). rebuild is the word. kalinan and afinegenov(or pyatt, though maxim is a lot more fun to watch) for oneill? id do it in a heartbeat. i suspect talinder would be more likely than kalinan - he seems pretty good, too. i wouldnt be suprised if there was oneill, satan interest - though i dont know if we would take his salary on. both guys need a new start-it wouldnt be a good rebuilding move for the canes though.

yeh. reiger wont trade. not in midseason. like his scared of it! and i doubt rutherford, who, from my fairly paultry knowledge, seems inept at trading.
you aint kidding about rutherford, his trade record is brutal - i think the worst out of any gm working in the league. though im not impressed with what craig patrick got back in return for lang, kovalev, and straka either.

I'm not going to flame, but Pyatt is damaged goods in my opinion. Afigenov is a bit too small and too inconsistent for my liking. This would be a horrendous deal to me.

Besides, I don't think Maxim has much more upside. That, and he's a bit one-dimensional. But that's from the outside looking in.

I'm not going to flame, but Pyatt is damaged goods in my opinion. Afigenov is a bit too small and too inconsistent for my liking. This would be a horrendous deal to me.

Besides, I don't think Maxim has much more upside. That, and he's a bit one-dimensional. But that's from the outside looking in.

you can flame if you like, i dont think we can get that much for oneill, so a good young defencemen and a young forward(even ones lacking versatility-much like young jeff oneil did) isnt a bad trade. i just dont think in the current nhl, you would get much more for him.

you aint kidding about rutherford, his trade record is brutal - i think the worst out of any gm working in the league. though im not impressed with what craig patrick got back in return for lang, kovalev, and straka either.

As a Penguins fan, I must interject.

Lang: Was a UFA to be and was not retained by the Penguins. Went on to sign a huge five million per year contract in Washington. Something the Penguins would have been crazy to do.

Kovalev: We wanted to keep him around. He was offered a five year, thirty million dollar deal but he chose to decline. He signed in New York for about the same price and he has had a crap year. The trade was a massive salary dump, and that's all. But we did get Rico Fata in the deal, and he has proven to be a very good player for us.

Straka: He was not playing well at all this season for Pittsburgh. So, we aren't missing out by not having him. We got Martin Strbak who has been a stabilizing force on our blueline. Very solid in his own zone, and has put up some points as well. Sergei Anshakov is a pretty highly touted prospect who has alot of promise. Considering Straka's age, salary, and injury history, I think we did alright. If we could have gotten more, I'm sure we would have.

Pyatt is damaged goods in my opinion

Please explain.

As a Penguins fan, I must interject.

Lang: Was a UFA to be and was not retained by the Penguins. Went on to sign a huge five million per year contract in Washington. Something the Penguins would have been crazy to do.

Kovalev: We wanted to keep him around. He was offered a five year, thirty million dollar deal but he chose to decline. He signed in New York for about the same price and he has had a crap year. The trade was a massive salary dump, and that's all. But we did get Rico Fata in the deal, and he has proven to be a very good player for us.

Straka: He was not playing well at all this season for Pittsburgh. So, we aren't missing out by not having him. We got Martin Strbak who has been a stabilizing force on our blueline. Very solid in his own zone, and has put up some points as well. Sergei Anshakov is a pretty highly touted prospect who has alot of promise. Considering Straka's age, salary, and injury history, I think we did alright. If we could have gotten more, I'm sure we would have.

i think you should've traded lang before the deadline - they knew he wasnt staying. the kovy deal was awful, the worst salary dump i can remember. i know he has been awful for nyr, but he was absolutely sick for pitt. he wanted to go back to ny, then immediately regretted it-he just signed a one year deal to get him through this season. i have a writer friend in pitt who knows him. he is miserable playing on that team. i think fata is fun to watch, but kovalov PLUS other players and all you really got was fata. at least ONE good prospect should have come back. straka deal wasnt bad, in that they got a propsect-so its a positive step, at least.

the worst salary dump i can remember.

Depends on how you look at it. In my eyes, there is no such thing as a good salary dump. Especially as things are right now in the league.

i know he has been awful for nyr, but he was absolutely sick for pitt.

He should have accepted the offer he was given to stay in Pittsburgh. I think he'll be hard pressed to get that kind of money now.

PLUS other players

Oh yes.. Losing Dan LaCouture, Mike Wilson, and Janne Laukkanen was a real back breaker to the franchise.

and all you really got was fata. at least ONE good prospect should have come back.

Fata is that prospect. But since coming to Pittsburgh, I believe he has evolved from prospect status.

Please explain.

Nevermind. Everytime I think of Pyatt I think of Connolly. So, on further thought, I have no clear thoughts on the proposal. Maybe in a few days...

Depends on how you look at it. In my eyes, there is no such thing as a good salary dump. Especially as things are right now in the league.



He should have accepted the offer he was given to stay in Pittsburgh. I think he'll be hard pressed to get that kind of money now.



Oh yes.. Losing Dan LaCouture, Mike Wilson, and Janne Laukkanen was a real back breaker to the franchise.



Fata is that prospect. But since coming to Pittsburgh, I believe he has evolved from prospect status.
i dont think fata is that prospect, especially at the time. he got picked up off waivers didnt he(in ny)? he had NO trade value. i agree he has come alive and proven himself a bit, but that trade wouldnt have been fair if it was all four of the guys you got just for kovy, let alone throwing guys in. fata isnt close to the kin of player kovy is/was. i know you're a fan, and i respect that totally, i just think it was an awful trade. i try to find the bright stuff in canes trades all the time so i know what you're saying. its just sad it has come to this for pitt, ive always liked them-and they played the game the way we all want it to be played in the 90's. i understand salary dumps, i just wish they did as good a job as barnett/gretzky did in phoenix when they dumped everyone. they did it all at once and got a lot back. i think patrick took his time and got stuck getting what he got.

i just wish they did as good a job as barnett/gretzky did in phoenix when they dumped everyone.

That was then, this is now. Things have changed.

i think patrick took his time and got stuck getting what he got.

Up until two years ago, we had made the playoffs for eleven consecutive seasons and were still considered a playoff team. I'd say in the past two years, drastic changes have been made.

That was then, this is now. Things have changed.



Up until two years ago, we had made the playoffs for eleven consecutive seasons and were still considered a playoff team. I'd say in the past two years, drastic changes have been made.

i think pitts was starting all these moves right around the same time as phoenix, so i disagree about that was then, this is now. phoenix also did it in the span of 2 months to pitts two years-thats what i meant about taking his time. two years is a long time.

Rebuilding isn't a process that takes two months, or even two years. It takes much longer. It's an ongoing process.

Rebuilding isn't a process that takes two months, or even two years. It takes much longer. It's an ongoing process.
no need to lecture, i understand the concept of rebuilding. i think patrick never committed to rebuild, did he? not till recently, anyway. when he let go of lang, he wasnt "rebuilding"-was he? the kovalov trade was the first mention of a rebuild, which everybody already knew they were doing anyway. all im saying is that i think pitt should have got more for kovy-is that really an unfair assessment? i know its a salary dump but i remember other gm's being shocked at that trade, saying they would have given better prospects than what they got. i think rutherford is in danger of doing the same with the canes, which as a fan im worried about.

no need to lecture

I'm not trying to. Simply trying to get my points across.

when he let go of lang, he wasnt "rebuilding"-was he?

He kept Lang because he thought we still had an outside chance at making the playoffs. It was a risk, but he took it. We couldn't afford Lang's asking price. Like I said, Washington was foolish to sign him for what they did.

all im saying is that i think pitt should have got more for kovy-is that really an unfair assessment?

In some ways yes. Patrick is alot of things, but he's not a total idiot. If there was a deal out there that was so much better, I'm sure we wouldn't be having this discussion. Since trade talks are not made public, that is the only thing I have to go on.

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agreed, but i remember toronto said they had a better offer on the table, and i think if you polled the hockey watching/playing world just about everyone would say they shouldve got more. in the end your right-well never know who else he couldve got for him, so were arguing over nothing. sorry if i put a burr in your saddle there.....pittsburgh rocks! :yo: (i love that guy)

It's cool. Always up for a good debate.

Pittsburgh has done alot of stupid things in the past couple seasons, I'll admit to that. Maybe I'm being a little overly defensive on the Lang, Kovalev, etc topics. But I guess it strikes a nerve.

Let's Go Canes. :)

dont worry about it. i get a little itchy myself when someone talks trades and mentions Francis, dineen, glen wesley, pronger, shanahan,sanderson and burke, primeau, malik, ......you get the point.

dont worry about it. i get a little itchy myself when someone talks trades and mentions Francis, dineen, glen wesley, pronger, shanahan,sanderson and burke, primeau, malik, ......you get the point.

Francis & Samuelsson for Cullen Falls and Zalapski is always mentioned when a writer talks about alltime worst trades. It sent the franchise into a 10-year tailspin. I'm glad it happened in a way because it would have been a crime had Francis retired without a cup.

the day ronnie and ulf went was almost as sad as they day of the teams last game. those two days were connected if you ask me. im glad he won the cup, but winning it three months after being traded was bittersweet as a fan. i went to the first pitt/whale game after the trade-just didnt look right.

Nevermind. Everytime I think of Pyatt I think of Connolly. So, on further thought, I have no clear thoughts on the proposal. Maybe in a few days...

pyatt plays a soft game and isnt very good at it. his excellent defensively and still, if can be made to play pysical, has a lot of offensive upside. Maxim is good defensivly now, sporting a +4 to be 2nd on our team.

And the man from Kent clarifies :) So, Pyatt and Connolly both play the same game...

At this point, I would make the deal of ONeill for Afinegenov and Pyatt. I don't think it will happen, but I like Maxim enough to make the trade.

ONeill is going to show up somewhere else and find his game again, but I am convinced in won't be wearing the "eye." We should get the best we can for him.