All-Time Draft #8

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BM67
09-12-2007, 07:29 AM
The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards, a coach and 3 extra players.

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed.

The time limit is 12 hours. Dropping by 1 hour for each skipped pick. If you miss 2 picks you become eligible for replacement.

You must PM the next GM after your selection.

GMs on reduced time limits

seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - 11 hours
LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - 10 hours

Any player from any league or era are eligible, but their selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future.

Draft Order

Round #1
1 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Orr
2 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Wayne Gretzky
3 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Gordie Howe
4 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mario Lemieux
5 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Bobby Hull
6 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Maurice Richard
7 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Eddie Shore
8 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jean Beliveau
9 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Doug Harvey
10 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Guy Lafleur
11 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Ray Bourque
12 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Mark Messier
13 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Plante
14 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Denis Potvin
15 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Patrick Roy
16 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Phil Esposito
17 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
18 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Red Kelly
19 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nicklas Lidstrom
20 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Stan Mikita
21 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Terry Sawchuk
22 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dominik Hasek
23 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Howie Morenz
24 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Larry Robinson
25 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Bobby Clarke
26 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Steve Yzerman
27 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ken Dryden
28 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Jaromir Jagr

Round #2
29 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Martin Brodeur
30 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Ted Lindsay
31 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Glenn Hall
32 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Viacheslav Fetisov
33 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Trottier
34 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Valery Kharlamov
35 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Scott Stevens
36 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Joe Sakic
37 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Milt Schmidt
38 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bill Durnan
39 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Brad Park
40 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Al MacInnis
41 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Chris Chelios
42 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Paul Coffey
43 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Turk Broda
44 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tim Horton
45 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Dit Clapper
46 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Johnny Bower
47 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Pierre Pilote
48 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bernie Geoffrion
49 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Billy Smith
50 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Bernie Parent
51 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Jari Kurri
52 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Earl Seibert
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Charlie Conacher
54 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Bill Cook
55 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Brian Leetch
56 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Chris Pronger

Round #3
57 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Scott Niedermayer
58 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Brett Hull
59 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Sprague Cleghorn
60 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Clint Benedict
61 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Mahovlich
62 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Dickie Moore
63 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Henri Richard
64 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Peter Forsberg
65 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Ted Kennedy
66 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Syl Apps Sr.
67 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Max Bentley
68 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Vladislav Tretiak
69 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
70 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Newsy Lalonde
71 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Joe Malone
72 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - King Clancy
73 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Borge Salming
74 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Andy Bathgate
75 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Marcel Dionne
76 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Frank Brimsek
77 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Gilbert Perreault
78 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Bill Gadsby
79 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Sergei Fedorov
80 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Fred "Cyclone" Taylor
81 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Grant Fuhr
82 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Rod Langway
83 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Jack "Blackjack" Stewart
84 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Aurel Joliat

Round #4
85 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Serge Savard
86 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Elmer Lach
87 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Peter Stastny
88 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Sergei Makarov
89 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Chuck Gardiner
90 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jiri Holocek
91 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Guy Lapointe
92 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Butch Bouchard
93 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - George Hainsworth
94 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nels Stewart
95 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Boris Mikhailov
96 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ed Belfour
97 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Valeri Vasiliev
98 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dale Hawerchuk
99 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Lionel “Big Train” Conacher
100 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Brendan Shanahan
101 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Johnny Bucyk
102 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Cam Neely
103 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Hector "Toe" Blake
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Laperriere
105 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mark Howe
106 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ron Francis
107 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bill Quackenbush
108 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Frank Boucher
109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Pronovost
110 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Rob Blake
111 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Cecil "Tiny" Thompson
112 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Tony Esposito

Round #5
113 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Busher Jackson
114 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Eric Lindros
115 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Gerry Cheevers
116 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens -
117 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
118 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
119 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
120 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
121 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
122 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
123 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
124 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
125 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
126 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
127 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
128 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
129 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
130 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
131 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
132 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
133 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
134 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators -
135 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
136 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
137 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
138 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
139 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
140 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #6
141 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
142 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
143 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
144 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
145 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
146 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
147 VanIslander - New York Raiders
148 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
149 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
150 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
151 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
152 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
153 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
154 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
155 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
156 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
157 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
158 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
159 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
160 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
161 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
162 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
163 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
164 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
165 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
166 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
167 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
168 BM67 - New Jersey Devils

Round #7
169 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
170 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
171 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
172 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
173 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
174 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
175 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
176 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
177 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
178 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
179 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
180 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
181 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
182 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
183 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
184 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
185 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
186 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
187 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
188 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
189 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
190 VanIslander - New York Raiders
191 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
192 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
193 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
194 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
195 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
196 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #8
197 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
198 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
199 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
200 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
201 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
202 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
203 VanIslander - New York Raiders
204 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
205 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
206 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
207 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
208 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
209 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
210 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
211 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
212 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
213 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
214 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
215 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
216 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
217 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
218 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
219 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
220 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
221 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
222 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
223 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
224 BM67 - New Jersey Devils

Round #9
225 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
226 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
227 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
228 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
229 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
230 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
231 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
232 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
233 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
234 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
235 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
236 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
237 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
238 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
239 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
240 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
241 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
242 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
243 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
244 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
245 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
246 VanIslander - New York Raiders
247 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
248 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
249 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
250 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
251 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
252 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #10
253 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
254 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
255 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
256 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
257 BM67 - New Jersey Devils[/COLOR]
258 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
259 VanIslander - New York Raiders
260 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
261 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
262 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
263 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
264 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
265 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
266 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
267 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
268 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
269 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
270 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
271 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
272 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
273 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
274 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
275 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
276 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
277 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
278 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
279 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
280 BM67 - New Jersey Devils

Round #11
281 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
282 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
283 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
284 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
285 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
286 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
287 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
288 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
289 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
290 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
291 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
292 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
293 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
294 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
295 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
296 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
297 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
298 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
299 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
300 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
301 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
302 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators -
303 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
304 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
305 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
306 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
307 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
308 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #12
309 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
310 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
311 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
312 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
313 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
314 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
315 VanIslander - New York Raiders
316 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
317 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
318 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
319 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
320 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
321 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
322 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
323 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
324 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
325 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
326 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
327 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
328 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
329 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
330 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
331 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
332 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
333 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
334 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
335 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
336 BM67 - New Jersey Devils

Round #13
337 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
338 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
339 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
340 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
341 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
342 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
343 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
344 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
345 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
346 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
347 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
348 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
349 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
350 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
351 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
352 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
353 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
354 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
355 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
356 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
357 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
358 VanIslander - New York Raiders
359 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
360 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
361 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
362 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
363 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
364 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #14
365 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
366 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
367 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
368 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
369 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
370 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
371 VanIslander - New York Raiders
372 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
373 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
374 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
375 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
376 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
377 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
378 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
379 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
380 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
381 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
382 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
383 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
384 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
385 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
386 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
387 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
388 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
389 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
390 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
391 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
392 BM67 - New Jersey Devils

Round #15
393 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
394 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
395 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
396 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
397 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
398 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
399 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
400 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
401 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
402 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
403 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
404 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
405 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
406 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
407 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
408 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
409 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
410 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
411 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
412 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
413 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
414 VanIslander - New York Raiders
415 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
416 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
417 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
418 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
419 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
420 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #16
421 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
422 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
423 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
424 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
425 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
426 VanIslander - New York Raiders
427 VanIslander - New York Raiders
428 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
429 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
430 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
431 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
432 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
433 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
434 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
435 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
436 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
437 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
438 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
439 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
440 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
441 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
442 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
443 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
444 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
445 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
446 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
447 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
448 BM67 - New Jersey Devils

Round #17
449 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
450 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
451 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
452 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
453 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
454 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
455 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
456 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
457 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
458 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
459 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
460 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
461 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
462 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
463 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
464 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
465 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
466 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
467 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
468 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
469 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
470 VanIslander - New York Raiders
471 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
472 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
473 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
474 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
475 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
476 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #18
477 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
478 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
479 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
480 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
481 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
482 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
483 VanIslander - New York Raiders
484 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
485 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
486 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
487 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
488 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
489 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
490 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
491 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
492 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
493 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
494 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
495 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
496 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
497 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
498 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
499 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
500 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
501 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
502 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
503 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
504 BM67 - New Jersey Devils

Round #19
505 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
506 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
507 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
508 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
509 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
510 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
511 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
512 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
513 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
514 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
515 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
516 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
517 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
518 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
519 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
520 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
521 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
522 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
523 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
524 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
525 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
526 VanIslander - New York Raiders
527 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
528 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
529 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
530 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
531 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
532 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #20
533 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
534 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
535 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
536 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
537 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
538 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
539 VanIslander - New York Raiders
540 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
541 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
542 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
543 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
544 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
545 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
546 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
547 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
548 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
549 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
550 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
551 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
552 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
553 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
554 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
555 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
556 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
557 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
558 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
559 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
560 BM67 - New Jersey Devils

Round #21
561 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
562 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
563 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
564 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
565 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
566 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
567 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
568 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
569 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
570 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
571 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
572 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
573 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
574 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
575 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
576 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
577 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
578 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
579 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
580 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
581 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
582 VanIslander - New York Raiders
583 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
584 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
585 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
586 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
587 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
588 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #22
589 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
590 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
591 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
592 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
593 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
594 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
595 VanIslander - New York Raiders
596 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
597 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
598 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
599 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
600 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
601 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
602 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
603 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
604 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
605 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
606 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
607 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
608 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
609 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
610 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
611 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
612 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
613 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
614 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
615 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
616 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks

Round #23
617 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
618 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
619 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
620 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
621 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
622 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
623 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
624 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
625 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
626 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
627 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
628 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
629 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
630 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
631 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
632 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
633 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
634 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
635 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
636 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
637 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
638 VanIslander - New York Raiders
639 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
640 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
641 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
642 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
643 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
644 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets

Round #24
645 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
646 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
647 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
648 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
649 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
650 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
651 VanIslander - New York Raiders
652 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
653 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
654 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
655 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
656 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
657 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
658 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
659 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
660 murphy - Edmonton Oilers
661 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
662 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
663 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
664 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
665 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
666 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
667 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
668 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
669 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
670 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
671 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
672 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks

Trades:

Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals trade picks 55, 114 & 223 to Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators for picks 79, 90 & 191

doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains trade picks 27, 139 & 142 to nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds for picks 54, 59 & 115

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trade picks 1 & 225 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 4 & 165

Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals trade picks 58, 111 & 226 to arrbez - Aurora Tigers for picks 72, 97 & 209

Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins trades Bobby Hull and picks 52, 108 & 388 to pappyline - Guelph Biltmores for picks 9, 48, 104 & 384

shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars trades picks 66, 122, 178 & 215 to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for picks 80, 89, 192 & 201

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trade picks 112, 113, 616, 617 & 672 to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for picks 178, 248, 257, 304 & 313.

MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke trades picks 51 & 443 to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for picks 66 & 369

reckoning - Ottawa 67s trades picks 63 & 287 to MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke for picks 66 & 275

Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels trades picks 74 & 186 to Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals for picks 79 & 170

EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons trades picks 93 & 261 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 104 & 164

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 99, 126 & 182 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 109, 116 & 172

Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiatorstrades picks 114 & 426 to VanIslander - New York Raiders for picks 134 & 302

Sturminator
09-12-2007, 08:15 AM
Carp, the other GMs are really on their games this time. I just lost the top three on my draft board in the last three picks. This is gonna be a long one.

BM67
09-12-2007, 09:14 AM
With the first overall pick, the Nanaimo Clippers are extremely proud to select D Bobby Orr. (http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=10392200&postcount=141)

The Oakland Seals are very proud to select, 2nd overall, from Brantford Ontario, Canada, The Great One, C Wayne Gretzky. (http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=10393521&postcount=147)

Seattle Thunderbirds are very, very happy to select the ultimate hockey player, Gordie Howe. (http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=10394386&postcount=154)

BM67
09-12-2007, 09:55 AM
The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select the “best individual talent” and perhaps the best special teams player of all-time

Mario Lemieux (http://www.mariolemieux.com/)

Probably the most skilled player the game has ever produced, “The Magnificent One” combines great physical attributes with unrivaled abilities. Nobody can handle the puck like Lemieux, blending grace and speed with tremendous size and strength, he is able to control the puck with men literally hanging onto him. His size, speed, vision, smarts and hands make him a deadly scoring threat in all situations, but especially on special teams. Lemieux holds the record for shorthanded goals in a season at 13, and is also the only player to score 30 power play goals in a season twice, as well as being the only player to be on ice for more than one PPG per game over his career. Mario is a 9 time all-star, with 6 Art Ross, 4 Pearson, 3 Hart, 2 Conn Smythe, as well as the Calder and Masterton trophies to his credit.

He was big and strong but rarely had to bully his way through defenders, sending them flying instead with deft fakes and dekes. In him, the attributes of the pure scorer and the playmaker were fused and his size, reach and balance made his end-to-end rushes seem effortless. In a few long strides, with a twist of those wide shoulders and quick change of direction, he found space on the ice where previously the way had been closed. Forced to choose between his accurate and heavy shot or his long arms reaching around them with a sweeping move, goalies were often left shaking their heads while they retrieved the puck from the net. Rarely has a sport's dominant player made the game look so easy and natural. - HHoF Bio (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p199701&type=Player&page=bio&list=ByName#photo)

"We couldn't have covered Mario with six guys tonight. We could have put a tent around him and he still would have scored." - Glen Sather

"What he can do, I couldn't do. He can do more things than any player I've seen. When he wants to play he's scary." - Bobby Orr

"Lemieux is the only guy who can make the puck disappear for a second. Here's the puck now - Oops, where is it? He still has it." - Jacques Lemaire

Mario had it all, more than anyone I ever played against. Especially his natural speed and power, all done with such finesse. He was so elegant that you didn't realize how much power he had until you had to deal with him one-on-one. - Mark Messier

Wisent
09-12-2007, 11:14 AM
The first 4 picks came as utter surprises ;)

EagleBelfour
09-12-2007, 12:57 PM
The first 4 picks came as utter surprises ;)

Yep, now the fun begin with the fifth pick: Richard, Hull, Beliveau, Harvey, Shore ... Tough choice.

Sturminator
09-12-2007, 01:16 PM
Quick question: where are the guys listed as "rovers" at the HHOF eligible? Everywhere? Nowhere? Can I draft Rat Westwick as my backup goalie?

EagleBelfour
09-12-2007, 01:35 PM
Quick question: where are the guys listed as "rovers" at the HHOF eligible? Everywhere? Nowhere? Can I draft Rat Westwick as my backup goalie?

Yes you can, and actually quite a few of us, me included, drafted Rovers on our defensive squad. However, personnaly, I don't think much of them deserved to be drafted in the ATD, since the fact that they played rover and not the modern defensive position, side to side, has a negative effect on their value.

BTW, I would prefer Ron Hextall to Rat Westwick as my backup goaltender, if you like goaltenders with ''strong'' character.

Sturminator
09-12-2007, 01:43 PM
Yes you can, and actually quite a few of us, me included, drafted Rovers on our defensive squad. However, personnaly, I don't think much of them deserved to be drafted in the ATD, since the fact that they played rover and not the modern defensive position, side to side, has a negative effect on their value.

BTW, I would prefer Ron Hextall to Rat Westwick as my backup goaltender, if you like goaltenders with ''strong'' character.

Thanks. I think if Nalyd and I are going for a goon-goalie...a goolie?...it's Ray Emery, mos def. Those goalie fights are key to winning in the playoffs. Ask Patrick Roy. If we were still taking three goalies, I might think of taking Emery, though. He's the Donald Brashear of goalies.

raleh
09-12-2007, 02:02 PM
Wow...lots of talk about undrafted players...

Evil Sather
09-12-2007, 02:06 PM
Never heard of that Patrick Roy guy. Anyone have a link?

Nalyd Psycho
09-12-2007, 02:27 PM
Worth noting. It's bad form to talk about players before they are drafted. Unless they really truely are not going to be drafted, like Robert Nordmark or Chris Levesque.

Virtually every rover played another position as well, those other positions are what they can be drafted as.

Sturminator
09-12-2007, 02:28 PM
We have another trade to announce:

from Oakland: 3rd (58th overall) + 4th (111th overall) + 9th (226th overall)

from Aurora: 3rd (72nd overall), 4th (97th overall) + 8th (209th overall)

arrbez will confirm.

Evil Speaker
09-12-2007, 02:29 PM
Wow...lots of talk about undrafted players...

Yeah. Shut it guys.

Evil Speaker
09-12-2007, 02:34 PM
Having never drafted an all-time great goal scorer, I'll take the easily the best player ever at valuble position in LW Bobby Hull

God Bless Canada
09-12-2007, 02:42 PM
Somewhere out there, pappy is cursing the day you were born, E-Speak.

And please, gentlemen, don't bring up the names of quality players not drafted yet. Veteran GMs should know better. But consider that a request for the rookies.

raleh
09-12-2007, 02:56 PM
WHAT!?! That is NOT who you were supposed to pick Speaker!

VanIslander
09-12-2007, 03:02 PM
Wow...lots of talk about undrafted players...
yeah, it's drafting etiquette not to

VanIslander
09-12-2007, 03:05 PM
Having never drafted an all-time great goal scorer, I'll take the easily the best player ever at valuble position in LW Bobby Hull
Why not trade down a couple of positions instead of taking the guy early? you could flip a 7th rounder into a 6th or 5th rounder.

Nobody else would have taken Hull 4th, 5th, 6th would they?

Better to TRADE down than pick early.

But from a team's perspective, at least you got your guy.

shawnmullin
09-12-2007, 03:28 PM
Hey guys I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but please don't mention undrafted players :teach: :sarcasm:

God Bless Canada
09-12-2007, 03:33 PM
Why not trade down a couple of positions instead of taking the guy early? you could flip a 7th rounder into a 6th or 5th rounder.

Nobody else would have taken Hull 4th, 5th, 6th would they?

Better to TRADE down than pick early.

But from a team's perspective, at least you got your guy.
I can think of at least one GM who would take Hull third or fourth. And you can definitely justify a top five pick on Hull. Wouldn't be my guy for No. 5, but a case could be made.

It is only one spot higher than where Hull went in the last draft. And Hull is the clear-cut No. 1 LW of all-time. It might be the position with the biggest difference between No. 1 and No. 2.

I'm not surprised that Hull would go in the top 5. It's just that I expected E-Speak to pick someone else.

Sturminator
09-12-2007, 03:41 PM
Man, you guys are sensitive. Maybe it just shows my navet, but I don't think the guys I was joking about are anywhere near good enough to be taken in an All-Time draft.

Leaf Lander
09-12-2007, 03:46 PM
Ill do the alphabetical list here:

Evil Sather
09-12-2007, 03:47 PM
Hull... now THAT is an interesting pick. I had visions of him falling to 8, actually.

Still interested in trading down, fwiw.

Wisent
09-12-2007, 03:51 PM
I know its draft etiquette but the guys mentioned will all be gone by pick 15. I trust nobody would have forgotten any of them (perhaps not the rat though ;) ).

Leaf Lander
09-12-2007, 03:55 PM
im sure many different players have been taken at the # 5 slot over the yrs Hull is certainly worthy of a # 5 selection.

Murphy
09-12-2007, 03:55 PM
Pappy probably thought Hull was safely his with the #9 pick. If I had the #5 pick I'd strongly consider him, probably take him as a matter of fact.

MXD
09-12-2007, 05:38 PM
Did the clock started?
I'm supposed to pick now, looking to trade DOWN.

Murphy
09-12-2007, 05:45 PM
There's been 4 *** days to try and trade down, you want to do this now?

Is it really to much to ask that teams be ready to pick when their time comes around? Apparently it is......:shakehead

shawnmullin
09-12-2007, 06:01 PM
There's been 4 *** days to try and trade down, you want to do this now?

Is it really to much to ask that teams be ready to pick when their time comes around? Apparently it is......:shakehead

Murphy if you read the rest of the thread you'd see that the official clock doesn't start until Saturday.

MXD has as much time as he wants.

MXD
09-12-2007, 06:02 PM
There's been 4 *** days to try and trade down, you want to do this now?

Is it really to much to ask that teams be ready to pick when their time comes around? Apparently it is......:shakehead

Whoooo...
I've posted trade down offers on the sign-up thread that some people might have missed. I re-post it here : anyways, the draft was supposed to start on saturday, and I learned like... now... that it started, which is fine if it's to make things go faster, but is it a reason to have a 2-hour clock instead of a 12-hour clock?

Murphy
09-12-2007, 06:49 PM
Murphy if you read the rest of the thread you'd see that the official clock doesn't start until Saturday.

MXD has as much time as he wants.

Sounds good, my pick should be up around then and I have 24hrs to wonder what I'll do with it.

MXD
09-12-2007, 08:09 PM
Les Castors de Sherbrooke selects a legend that played "somewhere on the other extremity of the l'Autoroute des Cantons-de-l'Est".

Maurice Richard

Nalyd Psycho
09-12-2007, 08:21 PM
I have Hull at #6 on my shortlist, so, I wouldn't say #5 is early.IMO, players you'd take 5-10 are largely interchangable, not worth the risk to take down if one stands out to you personally.

I'm surprised a French Canadien would even concider trading down when faced with a chance to take Maurice Richard.

reckoning
09-12-2007, 08:36 PM
In a move that I'm sure will surprise nobody considering my prior ATD drafting history, the Ottawa 67s select:

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/gallery/000039/000011412.jpg
Eddie Shore

Evil Sather
09-12-2007, 08:50 PM
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Uhm. To say I hadn't thought of a single candidate other than Shore is an understatement. Yeah Big Four, or Hull, but... you couldn't... you wouldn't...

Pick to come in the hour. If I can scrape my jaw off the floor.

Hockey Outsider
09-12-2007, 08:50 PM
Surprising; I was sure EvilSpeaker was going to pick Eddie Shore. Still, Hull at #5 is good value and ES will have one of the top three or four bluelines in the draft even if he doesn't get Shore, so it was probably a good move to take the consensus #1 LW.

What's the time limit for a first-round pick?

Nalyd Psycho
09-12-2007, 08:51 PM
I would have taken him 5th, and seeing as Evil Speaker is a Bruins fan and defense fan, thought he would.

Either way, great pick, any division with Gretzky and Shore as the best players is sure to be interesting.

What's the time limit for a first-round pick?

Currently no time limit. Friday or Saturday we'll start having them. Ease people into the intensity.

pitseleh
09-12-2007, 08:53 PM
I would have taken him 5th, and seeing as Evil Speaker is a Bruins fan and defense fan, thought he would.

Either way, great pick, any division with Gretzky and Shore as the best players is sure to be interesting.



I was surprised as well, but like you said, basically the #5 through 10 guys are pretty much interchangeable.

arrbez
09-12-2007, 09:03 PM
We have another trade to announce:

from Oakland: 3rd (58th overall) + 4th (111th overall) + 9th (226th overall)

from Aurora: 3rd (72nd overall), 4th (97th overall) + 8th (209th overall)

arrbez will confirm.

Confirmed. Giggity-goo.

VanIslander
09-12-2007, 09:04 PM
Divisional Rivalries have begun!

Eddie Shore of the 67s will have his hands full with Wayne Gretzky of the Seals in the Foster Hewitt

Bobby Orr of the Clippers will trade end-to-end puck hoggin' surges with Bobby Hull of the Bruins in the Bob Cole

Maurice Richard will lead a top line in Sherbrooke with Gordie Howe on the top line in Seattle in the Foster Hewitt.

pitseleh
09-12-2007, 09:06 PM
Maurice Richard will lead a top line in Sherbrooke with Gordie Howe on the top line in Seattle in the Foster Hewitt.

That one couldn't have worked out better.

God Bless Canada
09-12-2007, 09:23 PM
Surprising; I was sure EvilSpeaker was going to pick Eddie Shore. Still, Hull at #5 is good value and ES will have one of the top three or four bluelines in the draft even if he doesn't get Shore, so it was probably a good move to take the consensus #1 LW.

What's the time limit for a first-round pick?
The staff in Halifax had Shore pegged for No. 5, too. E-Speak loves his blue-liners. And he loves his Bruins. (Although that gets harder each passing year). I think E-Speak even had Shore for his avatar for a while. (If it wasn't Shore, don't correct me until after the player has been picked, Speaker). It seemed to be a match made in heaven.

I knew that Shore wouldn't get past reck. I would have wagered a lot of money on it. Maybe I should have told E-Sather that information. I think reck has had Shore in three of his four drafts.

vancityluongo
09-12-2007, 09:30 PM
Nothing surprising yet. Somebody pick Berg.

arrbez
09-12-2007, 09:42 PM
Nothing surprising yet. Somebody pick Berg.

"look into my eyes..."
http://sporten.yle.fi/turin2006/biobilder/berg_aki.jpg

Evil Sather
09-12-2007, 09:58 PM
Thrown a bit for a loop, the New York Rangers are nonetheless proud to select someone who is our BPA since we're all about value, LW Zdeno Cige... wait. Really? Oh, alright, but if he fails, it's on your head! This one is all the scouting director. The Rangers select C Jean Beliveau.

Size, skill, class, grace, but no shrinking violet, he was a fantastic presence in the locker room and the longest serving Captain in Canadiens history at ten years. What more needs to be said?

6 Time First Team All-Star
4 Time Second Team All-Star
2 Time Hart Trophy Winner
Conn Smythe Trophy Winner
Art Ross Trophy Winner
10 Time Stanley Cup Winner

Evil Speaker
09-12-2007, 10:02 PM
Divisional Rivalries have begun!
Bobby Orr of the Clippers will trade end-to-end puck hoggin' surges with Bobby Hull of the Bruins in the Bob Cole


Not so fast...

Trade Announcment:

From Boston - Bobby Hull, #52(2nd), #108(4th), #388(14th)

From Guelph - #9(1st), #48(2nd), #104(4th), #384(14th)

pappy to confirm

God Bless Canada
09-12-2007, 10:04 PM
Not so fast...

Trade Announcment:

From Boston - Bobby Hull, #52(2nd), #108(4th), #388(14th)

From Guelph - #9(1st), #48(2nd), #104(4th), #384(14th)

pappy to confirm
That might be the least surprising news of the day, outside of Lemieux going No. 4 overall. I knew from the moment you picked Hull that you would trade him to pappy. Nice strategy.

Is pappy still awake to confirm this?

Evil Speaker
09-12-2007, 10:06 PM
Is pappy still awake to confirm this?

Not sure.

shawnmullin
09-12-2007, 10:08 PM
Oh man I'd love for him to be... I have to be on a bus at 8:30 tomorrow morning. That's 11:30 eastern.

God Bless Canada
09-12-2007, 10:15 PM
Oh man I'd love for him to be... I have to be on a bus at 8:30 tomorrow morning. That's 11:30 eastern.
pappy's usually in bed early, and he's usually awake really early.

Request for the commish: We have three GMs ready to pick (E-Speak, mulls and myself). If the Speaker forwarded a copy of pappy's PM that agrees to the trade, could the Speaker then announce his pick, in the interest of keeping tonight moving?

pitseleh
09-12-2007, 10:17 PM
pappy's usually in bed early, and he's usually awake really early.

Request for the commish: We have three GMs ready to pick (E-Speak, mulls and myself). If the Speaker forwarded a copy of pappy's PM that agrees to the trade, could the Speaker then announce his pick, in the interest of keeping tonight moving?

Really, I can't see pappy passing up a trade like that even if he hadn't agreed to it beforehand.

BM67
09-12-2007, 10:18 PM
pappy's usually in bed early, and he's usually awake really early.

Request for the commish: We have three GMs ready to pick (E-Speak, mulls and myself). If the Speaker forwarded a copy of pappy's PM that agrees to the trade, could the Speaker then announce his pick, in the interest of keeping tonight moving?
Sure.

Evil Speaker
09-12-2007, 10:23 PM
Request for the commish: We have three GMs ready to pick (E-Speak, mulls and myself). If the Speaker forwarded a copy of pappy's PM that agrees to the trade, could the Speaker then announce his pick, in the interest of keeping tonight moving?

Well he responded to my counter offer two day's ago with just a simple "ok". so maybe we should wait for his confirmation.

shawnmullin
09-12-2007, 10:45 PM
blast :) otherwise I won't get to make my pick

raleh
09-12-2007, 10:49 PM
I'd say make the pick Mullin. Pappy has traded for Hull in three drafts and this looks to be a pretty good deal for him.

shawnmullin
09-12-2007, 11:08 PM
Well I'd have to wait for ES too

Evil Speaker
09-12-2007, 11:10 PM
BM gave me the OK.

The Boston Bruins are very pleased to bring D Doug Harvey to the organization. In our mind there are very few players we would rather have going into the playoffs than Doug. He is 2nd only to Orr with ability to control the game from the backend with his intelligence and all-around skill (checking, rushing, passing, stichhandling, leadership, you name it). He is a true team player that saves his best for the big games and makes everyone around better. Doug led all defensemen in playoff scoring an astonishing 7 times which is an all-time record. Every year he won the cup he had a Smythe like run and was considered by many to be even more valuble than the likes of his teammates Jean Beliveau, Jacques Plante and Maurice Richard. "If our team had Harvey we would have won 9 cups instead of only 4" - Ted Lindsay.

"Defensively Harvey was far superior to Orr thus, to anybody he faced. Indeed he was probably the finest natural athlete ever to play our game.
His stamina was something to behold. If the team had lost two or more players to injury, especially in the middle of a road trip, Doug would play all night. If he needed a rest, or thought the game was too frisky for his liking, hed simply slow it down. How could a single player change the tempo of a game? Doug could. He would control the puck and defy any corners to take it away from him. Fore-checkers were reluctant to go all-out against him because he could handle them physically or embarrass them with a sudden move. When someone got careless hed let go a long pass that would spring a teammate into the open for a breakaway." - Jean Belivea

Doug is a true star and will mean everything to our team.

kruezer
09-12-2007, 11:10 PM
Thrown a bit for a loop, the New York Rangers are nonetheless proud to select someone who is our BPA since we're all about value, LW Zdeno Cige... wait. Really? Oh, alright, but if he fails, it's on your head! This one is all the scouting director. The Rangers select C Jean Beliveau.

Size, skill, class, grace, but no shrinking violet, he was a fantastic presence in the locker room and the longest serving Captain in Canadiens history at ten years. What more needs to be said?

6 Time First Team All-Star
4 Time Second Team All-Star
2 Time Hart Trophy Winner
Conn Smythe Trophy Winner
Art Ross Trophy Winner
10 Time Stanley Cup Winner
Fantastic work by my co-GM here, if I could have anyones career in the history of hockey, it would absolutely be Beliveau's.

Also, for the record, the top 6 picks went exactly the way I would take them.

pappyline
09-12-2007, 11:14 PM
Not so fast...

Trade Announcment:

From Boston - Bobby Hull, #52(2nd), #108(4th), #388(14th)

From Guelph - #9(1st), #48(2nd), #104(4th), #384(14th)

pappy to confirm
I confirm.

Nalyd Psycho
09-12-2007, 11:16 PM
First time there's been no surprises in the top 9.

shawnmullin
09-12-2007, 11:24 PM
*sigh* two drafts in a row I thought I'd have Harvey (last time I drafted him in the big pick controversy) and now I have to re-think things a little.

Pick very soon.

raleh
09-12-2007, 11:43 PM
BM gave me the OK.

The Boston Bruins are very pleased to bring D Doug Harvey to the organization. In our mind there are very few players we would rather have going into the playoffs than Doug. He is 2nd only to Orr with ability to control the game from the backend with his intelligence and all-around skill (checking, rushing, passing, stichhandling, leadership, you name it). He is a true team player that saves his best for the big games and makes everyone around better. Doug led all defensemen in playoff scoring an astonishing 7 times which is an all-time record. Every year he won the cup he had a Smythe like run and was considered by many to be even more valuble than the likes of his teammates Jean Beliveau, Jacques Plante and Maurice Richard. "If our team had Harvey we would have won 9 cups instead of only 4" - Ted Lindsay.

"Defensively Harvey was far superior to Orr thus, to anybody he faced. Indeed he was probably the finest natural athlete ever to play our game.
His stamina was something to behold. If the team had lost two or more players to injury, especially in the middle of a road trip, Doug would play all night. If he needed a rest, or thought the game was too frisky for his liking, hed simply slow it down. How could a single player change the tempo of a game? Doug could. He would control the puck and defy any corners to take it away from him. Fore-checkers were reluctant to go all-out against him because he could handle them physically or embarrass them with a sudden move. When someone got careless hed let go a long pass that would spring a teammate into the open for a breakaway." - Jean Beliveau

Doug is a true star and will mean everything to our team.

Speaker- is that quote from Beliveau from the forward of the Doug Harvey biography? I think it's called "Doug" or something like that.

Evil Speaker
09-12-2007, 11:47 PM
Speaker- is that quote from Beliveau from the forward of the Doug Harvey biography? I think it's called "Doug" or something like that.

No it's from Beliveau's autobiography called "My Life in Hockey".

Evil Speaker
09-13-2007, 12:54 AM
*sigh* two drafts in a row I thought I'd have Harvey (last time I drafted him in the big pick controversy) and now I have to re-think things a little.

Pick very soon.

Hopefully you'll have a back-up plan next time.

shawnmullin
09-13-2007, 01:05 AM
I expected someone to take a goalie before my pick, so this kind of threw me for a loop.

However, the Victoria Cougars are quite pleased to select a man who has an impressive winning track record to help bring a championship back to Vancouver Island.

One of the greatest wingers of all time, RW Guy Lafleur.

Career Highlites stolen from GBC:

*Five-time Stanley Cup champion (1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979)
*Inducted into the HHOF in 1988, then launched a three-season comeback.
*Six-time first team all-star RW (1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980)
*Three-time Lester B. Pearson winner (1976, 1977, 1978)
*Three-time Art Ross winner (1976, 1977, 1978)
*Two-time Hart Trophy winner (1977, 1978)
*Scored 110 points in 72 post-season games during remarkable six-year peak. Also averaged over 125 points per regular season during his peak.
*No. 11 on the THN Top 100 list

From legends of hockey:

Lafleur joined the Montreal Canadiens the very fall he was drafted and became the first player in NHL history to score at least 50 goals and 100 points in six consecutive seasons. When asked about developing his talent from a young age up to that of a consistent 50-goal scorer, Lafleur said: "I think it was always there and it was maybe a matter of bringing it out. It was harder than I thought it would be and I had to try harder. I had to regain my confidence, maybe the most important thing. I have learned a lot to relax. I know what I can do now, and I do it."

Lafleur was a First Team all-star in all six of those consecutive 50-goal seasons and won the scoring title three times, the Hart Trophy twice and the Conn Smythe Trophy once. He has the highest career point and assist totals in Montreal history, as well as the second-highest goal total behind Rocket Richard. And when Lafleur reached the 1,000-point mark, he did it in just 720 games, the shortest time taken to hit that milestone in NHL history. After that, he concluded: "I'm not going to say that now that I have 1,000 points I can sit down and relax. I've got five or six years to go and I can shoot for more."

Sportswriter Bill Libby said that Lafleur "typifies what is best about this sport. He is an artist on skates, creating scoring plays the way a painter puts a vivid scene on a canvas with a brush. His start is explosively quick and his stride is swifter than the others. He sees where his opponents and teammates are and anticipates where they will be. He is a spectacular athlete in a spectacular sport and it is wonderful watching him work."

During his 14 years with the Canadiens, Lafleur and his teammates won the Stanley Cup five times. After Montreal won the Stanley Cup in 1978, he borrowed it for the weekend without telling anyone to show his friends back home in Thurso. Lafleur boldly displayed it on his front lawn for all his neighbors to see!

Sturminator
09-13-2007, 01:12 AM
Well, you made the right call, mullin, though I must say you were lucky to be sitting at ten and not eleven if you were expecting a goalie to go at the top. Guy Lafleur is a pretty nice consolation prize.

God Bless Canada
09-13-2007, 01:13 AM
With their first pick, Halifax RCAF is pleased to welcome a player whose combination of longevity, consistency and peak value are almost unprecedented in the game. A first-team all-star in his first season and last season, and 11 other times in his career. A minute-munching defenceman who was not only one of the best offensive defencemen ever, but widely considered the best defensive defenceman in the league at his peak:

D Ray Bourque

Career highlights:
*2001 Stanley Cup champion
*Carried the Boston Bruins to two Stanley Cup final births
*Two-time Canada Cup champion
*Inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2004
*13-time first team all-star
*Six-time second-team all-star
*A first-team all-star in his first and last seasons
*Five-time Norris Trophy winner
*Two-time Hart Trophy finalist
*Retired as the NHL's all-time career points leader among defencemen
*Calder Trophy winner (1980)
*King Clancy Memorial Trophy winner (1992)
*No. 14 on the THN top 100 list

Sturminator
09-13-2007, 01:14 AM
No it's from Beliveau's autobiography called "My Life in Hockey".

Jean Beliveau has the most awesome bug eyes and francophone accent in film interviews as an old man. The guy could have his own prime-time comedy show.

Evil Speaker
09-13-2007, 01:25 AM
Jean Beliveau has the most awesome bug eyes and francophone accent in film interviews as an old man. The guy could have his own prime-time comedy show.

Haha, agreed. The man has an outstanding personality. I remember having a good laugh a few times during the book. His book also didn't reek of bias, almost as if he wasn't a true Hab faithful...because we all know how biased they can be..

God Bless Canada
09-13-2007, 01:28 AM
Well, you made the right call, mullin, though I must say you were lucky to be sitting at ten and not eleven if you were expecting a goalie to go at the top. Guy Lafleur is a pretty nice consolation prize.
Bourque and Lafleur were 1-2 on our list for No. 11. I thought mulls would pick Bourque, leaving us with that pretty nice consolation prize. Lafleur had that awesome six-year peak (likely the best ever for a forward outside of Howe, Gretzky and Lemieux). And that peak was good enough for me to pick him at No. 13 in the last draft. Game-breakers are hard to find in this draft. But defencemen the order of Ray Bourque are even harder to find. That's why Bourque was the player at the top of our list (we knew we weren't going to get one of the guys who went in the top nine) from the start.

shawnmullin
09-13-2007, 01:33 AM
Hopefully you'll have a back-up plan next time.

Oh I was pretty sure what I was going to do... but with Harvey it'd have been a no brainer for me.

With him going, I spent quite a while going back and fourth on Bourque, Lafleur and another option.

shawnmullin
09-13-2007, 01:35 AM
Bourque and Lafleur were 1-2 on our list for No. 11. I thought mulls would pick Bourque, leaving us with that pretty nice consolation prize. Lafleur had that awesome six-year peak (likely the best ever for a forward outside of Howe, Gretzky and Lemieux). And that peak was good enough for me to pick him at No. 13 in the last draft. Game-breakers are hard to find in this draft. But defencemen the order of Ray Bourque are even harder to find. That's why Bourque was the player at the top of our list (we knew we weren't going to get one of the guys who went in the top nine) from the start.

My problem with Bourque is winning. One ring as a parachute player and never able to get his team over the hump while in his prime. Of course the Bruins could have and should have done more to give him more weapons, but when I was going back and fourth on who to pick... (and in my first draft I chose Bourque) I finally determined that I felt more comfortable taking the guy with 5 rings over the guy with 1.

VERY different positions with very different responsibilities. I'd love to have either guy.

God Bless Canada
09-13-2007, 01:45 AM
My problem with Bourque is winning. One ring as a parachute player and never able to get his team over the hump while in his prime. Of course the Bruins could have and should have done more to give him more weapons, but when I was going back and fourth on who to pick... (and in my first draft I chose Bourque) I finally determined that I felt more comfortable taking the guy with 5 rings over the guy with 1.

VERY different positions with very different responsibilities. I'd love to have either guy.
I'm not worried about Bourque's rings. First, he was more than a "parachute guy" in 2001. He was a first-team all-star that year. He also won two Canada Cup championships.

He was never on a team in Boston that had a legit chance at the Cup. They were always a three or four-player team. They didn't have the depth to beat a team like the Islanders or the Oilers in the 80s, and they never changed the depth problem in the 90s.

raleh and I looked at the options for the next round. We knew there were still lots of marquee offensive players out there. But we knew we wouldn't get a top 10 all-time defencemen. Bigger drop in quality from the fourth defenceman drafted to the No. 12-15 defencemen drafted, than there is from the No. 7 forward drafted to the No. 20 forward (or so) drafted.

shawnmullin
09-13-2007, 02:10 AM
I'm not worried about Bourque's rings. First, he was more than a "parachute guy" in 2001. He was a first-team all-star that year. He also won two Canada Cup championships.

He was never on a team in Boston that had a legit chance at the Cup. They were always a three or four-player team. They didn't have the depth to beat a team like the Islanders or the Oilers in the 80s, and they never changed the depth problem in the 90s.

raleh and I looked at the options for the next round. We knew there were still lots of marquee offensive players out there. But we knew we wouldn't get a top 10 all-time defencemen. Bigger drop in quality from the fourth defenceman drafted to the No. 12-15 defencemen drafted, than there is from the No. 7 forward drafted to the No. 20 forward (or so) drafted.

Well there are always reasons to not win. Any great player who never got a ring or only got one in this case can have reasons for why they only have one. Ultimately you win or you don't. I don't say that to trash Bourque, but more to say when looking at the top 10 players drafted I see a lot of Stanley Cup rings. I'm more comfortable also having a guy with a full hand of 'em than a guy with just the one. Especially when IMO there's not much else to seperate them given how hard it is to compare great winger to great D.

As for forwards vs. D, I've found that top winger is a very hard position to fill in a satisfactory way. If it was a C I might agree with you (in terms of there being more depth in later rounds) but not so much at wing.

Evil Speaker
09-13-2007, 03:30 AM
FYI - Ray Bourque led defensemen in playoff scoring 4 times. I believe that ties him for 3rd all-time.

VanIslander
09-13-2007, 05:53 AM
FYI - Ray Bourque led defensemen in playoff scoring 4 times. I believe that ties him for 3rd all-time.
Raymond was sublime.

His greatness cannot be measured in stats. He is a few notches better than any numbers he put up. The top fie or six memories I have of him involve no goals or assists or hits, just amazing smarts, solid decisionmaking and the ability and will to carry it out.

I have never seen better in the last quarter century.

shawnmullin
09-13-2007, 07:40 AM
Just so we're clear, not trashing Ray Bourque... I'm just saying there was very VERY little breathing room in between he and Lafleur for me, and the Cups won me over.

Frightened Inmate #2
09-13-2007, 08:05 AM
The Mustangs are proud to select LW/C Mark Messier

VanIslander
09-13-2007, 08:25 AM
The Mustangs are proud to select LW/C Mark Messier
:clap: love this guy!

(more effective as a centre than a left winger though)

Murphy
09-13-2007, 09:29 AM
I didn't plan on a Canuck fan taking Messier was pretty confident I'd get him, on to plan B

The Edmonton Oilers select: Jacques Plante

God Bless Canada
09-13-2007, 09:30 AM
Raymond was sublime.

His greatness cannot be measured in stats. He is a few notches better than any numbers he put up. The top fie or six memories I have of him involve no goals or assists or hits, just amazing smarts, solid decisionmaking and the ability and will to carry it out.

I have never seen better in the last quarter century.
He should have won the Hart Trophy in 1989-90. Messier was great that year and he deserved to win the Pearson as the best player in the league. But in terms of the guy who meant the most to his team's success, it was Bourque.

As for Messier, his ability to play LW (the weakest position in the draft) makes him such a valuable asset. There are better players still available, but they're guys who play one position. Get a guy like Messier who can dominate with skill and physical play at a second position, and you have a big-time asset.

pitseleh
09-13-2007, 09:31 AM
I didn't plan on a Canuck fan taking Messier was pretty condfident I'd get him, on to plan B

The Edmonton Oilers select: Jacques Plante

Good choice, I always though Plante went too late in these things (and should have been the first goalie selected).

It's scary thinking about you making a team like last time except with Plante in net.

ck26
09-13-2007, 10:02 AM
Trade announcement:

Victoria Cougars receive: 80, 89, 192, 201
Dallas Blackhawks receive: 66, 122, 178, 215

LapierreSports
09-13-2007, 10:59 AM
Nice picking boys, this draft is rollin....

Im looking to pick now or the next couple of picks. Anyone wants to trade down to #21 ?

arrbez
09-13-2007, 05:52 PM
and we were doing so well...

VanIslander
09-13-2007, 06:11 PM
take your time

there is no hurry

Hockey Outsider
09-13-2007, 06:39 PM
Sorry for taking so long. The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select D Denis Potvin, winner of three Norris trophies and captain of four Stanley Cup-winning teams.

arrbez
09-13-2007, 07:49 PM
blast. I was really hoping for Potvin at 16, and I figured I might have a shot (he went 17 last time).

For anyone interested in moving up, I'll take offers on my #16...

VanIslander
09-13-2007, 08:54 PM
blast. I was really hoping for Potvin at 16, and I figured I might have a shot (he went 17 last time)
actually... he went 15 last time... and 14 the draft before that

raleh
09-13-2007, 09:24 PM
blast. I was really hoping for Potvin at 16, and I figured I might have a shot (he went 17 last time).

For anyone interested in moving up, I'll take offers on my #16...

That'd be pretty sweet if we got Bourque at 11 and then you managed Potvin at 16...There's so little separating those two, it'd be a huge steal I think.

Evil Speaker
09-13-2007, 09:30 PM
FYI - Ray Bourque led defensemen in playoff scoring 4 times. I believe that ties him for 3rd all-time.

Denis Potvin, not surprisingly, is alone in 2nd. He accomplished it 5 times.

VanIslander
09-13-2007, 09:37 PM
Denis Potvin is not surprisingly alone in 2nd. He accomplished it 5 times.
on an Islanders team stacked in a way that Bourque could only dream about in Boston

sorry, ... I saw them both play for years and think Bourque better, all things considered. Bourque could singlehandedly carry a team on his back, and did at times. Potvin was part of a great team and as such didn't stand out as much.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
09-13-2007, 09:47 PM
on an Islanders team stacked in a way that Bourque could only dream about in Boston

sorry, ... I saw them both play for years and think Bourque better, all things considered. Bourque could singlehandedly carry a team on his back, and did at times. Potvin was part of a great team and as such didn't stand out as much.

Perhaps because he didn't need to.

There's an argument to be made for the indomitable will of a winner, and Potvin certainly had that. Again, not to belittle a legend like Bourque, but Potvin had a notorious determination to be the very best, even when it got him in trouble, like after the '76 Canada Cup.

pitseleh
09-13-2007, 10:01 PM
Perhaps because he didn't need to.

There's certainly an argument to be made for the indomitable will of a winner, and Potvin certainly had that. Again, not to belittle a legend like Bourque, but Potvin had a notorious determination to be the very best, even when it got him in trouble, like after the '76 Canada Cup.

Plus Potvin had that nasty, sometimes over the edge type game that you love to see in defensemen. Granted I've only seen him in a small handful of games, but it's definitely close between the two of them.

John Flyers Fan
09-13-2007, 10:05 PM
on an Islanders team stacked in a way that Bourque could only dream about in Boston

sorry, ... I saw them both play for years and think Bourque better, all things considered. Bourque could singlehandedly carry a team on his back, and did at times. Potvin was part of a great team and as such didn't stand out as much.

Potvin was the leader of that all-time great team.

IMO very very close.

Bourque gets the slightest of edges because of his longevity, but I'll take Potvin in his prime over anyone post-Orr.

Potvin was Bourque with a nasty streak.

Hockey Outsider
09-13-2007, 10:06 PM
Well, Bourque is the better defenseman, but I think Potvin is very close, if not equal, in peak value. (Bourque of course gets the edge in longevity). Potvin is the tougher/more aggressive hitter and is at least as good as Bourque defensively. He has a mean streak to intimidate the other teams' toughest players AND enough discipline to stay out of the penalty box so that he can play 30 minutes per game; that's a rare combination.

I also consider Potvin the better playoff performer; that's not a knock on Bourque, and it's not because he only won one Cup. It's because Potvin repeatedly delivered Conn Smythe-calibre performances, both during his dynasty years and before, while being a dominant force in both ends. Doctordark is right, Potvin did was incredibly competitive and had strong drive to win; his Orr comments at the 1976 Canada Cup, while misguided, are proof of his desire to be the best, basically from the start of his career.

I can't give a full discussion here due to our conventions about unnamed players. I will say that, however, that Potvin won the Norris, scored 31 goals and 98 points, and, most importantly, put up 19 points in 13 PO games to pretty much singlehandedly lead his team to the conference finals, in his 3rd year, on a team that was no better than anything Bourque ever had in Boston. Potvin dominated on weak teams and on dynasty teams.

VanIslander
09-13-2007, 10:18 PM
maybe we'll start seeing Potvin drafted before Bourque around here...

we're waiting on a newbie to draft next... take the rest of the day off folks. The Hockey Guy might not be around today

see you all on the weekend

pitseleh
09-13-2007, 11:58 PM
I guess it's worth asking before we 'officially' get started, was there ever a decision on time limits once the draft starts?

God Bless Canada
09-14-2007, 12:20 AM
I guess it's worth asking before we 'officially' get started, was there ever a decision on time limits once the draft starts?
I'd say nine hours. Today is evidence that this thing can drag. Every time you miss that time frame, your limit gets reduced by an hour.

pitseleh
09-14-2007, 12:42 AM
I'd say nine hours. Today is evidence that this thing can drag. Every time you miss that time frame, your limit gets reduced by an hour.

I like the sound of nine hours personally, though it wouldn't be a bad idea to have it at twelve for the first four rounds or so just to make sure that people don't miss the important first few picks.

Nalyd Psycho
09-14-2007, 01:45 AM
12 is the absolute max, 9 sounds reasonable.

I personally take Potvin over Bourque, but only by the slimmest of margins. Part of the problem with the middle 1st round is that everyone is so close, it's very dificult to choose. A whim and a flight of fancy can often be all you can trust.

shawnmullin
09-14-2007, 01:56 AM
Trade announcement:

Victoria Cougars receive: 80, 89, 192, 201
Dallas Blackhawks receive: 66, 122, 178, 215

confirmed

ck26
09-14-2007, 05:40 AM
12 is the absolute max, 9 sounds reasonable.

I personally take Potvin over Bourque, but only by the slimmest of margins. Part of the problem with the middle 1st round is that everyone is so close, it's very dificult to choose. A whim and a flight of fancy can often be all you can trust.9 hours is less than a standard workday for some people (I work 7-5 at least) ... you will get a LOT of missed picks if anyone's time starts in the morning, which may really hurt someone's team if they're trying to pick up certain players or certain positions early.

I think all this debate about player sequence is kinda silly at this point ... after the top 4, you can make a case for just about any sequence 5-15 and any sequence 10-25 ... makes more sense to wait and see where teams are after round 3.

VanIslander
09-14-2007, 05:52 AM
12 hours for the first few rounds

then cut back to 9 or 8 thereafter

God Bless Canada
09-14-2007, 08:34 AM
9 hours is less than a standard workday for some people (I work 7-5 at least) ... you will get a LOT of missed picks if anyone's time starts in the morning, which may really hurt someone's team if they're trying to pick up certain players or certain positions early.

I think all this debate about player sequence is kinda silly at this point ... after the top 4, you can make a case for just about any sequence 5-15 and any sequence 10-25 ... makes more sense to wait and see where teams are after round 3.
That's why GMs need to PM their pick to another GM. If you know you aren't going to be able to make your pick, PM it to me. (And include a back-up, for the "just in case" scenario). It keeps the draft moving.

Guys like Murphy, pit and JFF are usually around during the day, too, and are able to announce your pick for you.

Murphy
09-14-2007, 08:43 AM
9 hours is plenty.

pappyline
09-14-2007, 09:56 AM
That's why GMs need to PM their pick to another GM. If you know you aren't going to be able to make your pick, PM it to me. (And include a back-up, for the "just in case" scenario). It keeps the draft moving.

Guys like Murphy, pit and JFF are usually around during the day, too, and are able to announce your pick for you.
I like the 9 hour limit & using PM if you can't make it.

BTW, Has anybody PM'd Guy 18 & dartmouth that it is their turn. Being new, they might not be aware of it.

Leaf Lander
09-14-2007, 10:06 AM
has anyone pmd the newbie gm The_Hockey_Guy18 to tell him its his pick

how many hrs has he been on the clock?

arrbez
09-14-2007, 10:12 AM
His profile says he was online a couple hours ago...so I guess he isn't AWOL...

LapierreSports
09-14-2007, 10:54 AM
No worries guys, the draft was suppose to start on Saturday.

arrbez
09-14-2007, 10:56 AM
I'm all antsy in my pantsies!

Rick Middleton
09-14-2007, 12:29 PM
I'm all antsy in my pantsies!

That could be crabs. I'd have that checked out.

Murphy
09-14-2007, 12:43 PM
Good choice, I always though Plante went too late in these things (and should have been the first goalie selected).

It's scary thinking about you making a team like last time except with Plante in net.

Now if only #### is available for my next pick at # 44

Frightened Inmate #2
09-14-2007, 01:32 PM
I hate to stick up for Murphy but really is #### going to be a secret or anything whom everyone in the draft knows about... it really isn't a huge deal in my mind - no secrets are being given away.

God Bless Canada
09-14-2007, 01:44 PM
Whose idea was it to waive the time limit to the weekend, anyways? And when do the time limits kick in? Nine hour limit. PM your picks if you won't be around.

The new guy has been on the clock for about 18 hours. He's been around several times, and hasn't announced his pick, or even posted in this forum. Boss, how much longer are we going to give him?

shawnmullin
09-14-2007, 01:46 PM
It's somewhat frustrating if he's around and not posting. It'd be understandable if he wasn't online.

Nalyd Psycho
09-14-2007, 01:49 PM
Waiting until the weekend was considered fair because we started early. Better waiting for pick 15 now than having no picks made now...

9 hours is less than a standard workday for some people (I work 7-5 at least) ... you will get a LOT of missed picks if anyone's time starts in the morning, which may really hurt someone's team if they're trying to pick up certain players or certain positions early.


I work 8 and a half hours most days with a 30-60 minute commute each way. (I use public transit, it's usually 45 minutes going and then if I can dash, 30 minute to get home, but if I miss my bus, 60 minutes. 50 minutes if I decide to walk.) So I know the difficulties of 9 hours.

I'm on later than most so, if you are going to bed and expect your pick to come up before morning, I can often help there.

Evil Speaker
09-14-2007, 02:01 PM
9 hours? I swear it used to be a 24 hour limit in ATD 6, and there were less GMs. Now we want to go down to a 9 hour limit? I was thinking more like 12-15 at first. Not everyone is used to this process yet.

pappyline
09-14-2007, 02:12 PM
I hate to stick up for Murphy but really is #### going to be a secret or anything whom everyone in the draft knows about... it really isn't a huge deal in my mind - no secrets are being given away.
Its not a big deal but we should keep quiet about unpicked players. Foe example, I had a deal worked out contingent on Doug Harvey being available for my #9 pick. In the meantime I see a post listing him as a potential #5 pick. My concern was that if somebody is wavering on harvey, it could have incited them to pick him early over someone else.

VanIslander
09-14-2007, 02:40 PM
Its not a big deal but we should keep quiet about unpicked players.
it is a big deal. we have never put up with that *beep* and no good draft ever has

it can get manipulative very easy: mentioning undrafted players reminds other players about him, suggesting his value to that g.m. ... it simply influences decisions

Murphy
09-14-2007, 02:49 PM
Actually what I find to be a big deal is to be told to shut the **** up. To the point of questioning whether or not I even want to take part in this draft.

I humbly apologize for my huge indiscretion, I should have known better and it will never happen again. I'll keep any comments I make to players already selected. That is if we ever get around to selecting any.

Nalyd Psycho
09-14-2007, 02:57 PM
Actually what I find to be a big deal is to be told to shut the **** up. To the point of questioning whether or not I even want to take part in this draft.


I agree. Yes. The rules are that we don't talk about undrafted players, but is it really difficult to enforce and remind politely?

God Bless Canada
09-14-2007, 03:13 PM
9 hours? I swear it used to be a 24 hour limit in ATD 6, and there were less GMs. Now we want to go down to a 9 hour limit? I was thinking more like 12-15 at first. Not everyone is used to this process yet.
In ATD #6, it started as a 24-hour limit. And it was widely panned. It dropped to 18 hours after six rounds.

The last draft was 12 hours until the sixth round. Then it became nine hours, but very few GMs used the full nine-hour limit, because most GMs PM'ed their picks to a peer, even if it was before they went to work, and their pick was four or five slots away. We had some incredible runs in the last draft, a couple days with 20 picks, a few others in the 15-17 pick range.

We're a 28-team draft. If we want to have this done in two months (the timeline for the last three drafts - yes, we did a 28-team draft in two months), then we need to run with a nine-hour limit, and really encourage GMs to PM their picks.

VanIslander
09-14-2007, 03:16 PM
In ATD #6, it started as a 24-hour limit. And it was widely panned. It dropped to 18 hours after six rounds.

The last draft was 12 hours until the sixth round. Then it became nine hours,
It was nice to have that limit for the rare time one needed to use it.

We finished the draft in a timely manner. It worked.

Leaf Lander
09-14-2007, 03:19 PM
the only undrafted players your allowed to talk about is aki berg and gino odjick

we all know that

Wisent
09-14-2007, 03:20 PM
the only undrafted players your allowed to talk about is aki berg and gino odjik

we all know that

Hey, the stache might make Odjick very draft worthy. :)

Nalyd Psycho
09-14-2007, 03:41 PM
We can also talk about the man, the myth, the legend that put up 30 goals, 40 assists and 100 points in a single season.

Roger's Pancreas*
09-14-2007, 03:51 PM
Actually what I find to be a big deal is to be told to shut the **** up. To the point of questioning whether or not I even want to take part in this draft.

I humbly apologize for my huge indiscretion, I should have known better and it will never happen again. I'll keep any comments I make to players already selected. That is if we ever get around to selecting any.I wasn't telling you to do it, just that the unwritten rule of not mentioning a players name in the draft should be upheld...regardless of how renowned said player is. It was a friendly reminder is all. Don't take it personally.

Leaf Lander
09-14-2007, 05:40 PM
not a good sign

missing your pick in the 1st rnd yikes

Nalyd Psycho
09-14-2007, 05:40 PM
I think there is enough objection to 9 hours. So. Would 12 hours be agreeable? And then once we get settled, we can open the discussion again.

pitseleh
09-14-2007, 05:45 PM
I think there is enough objection to 9 hours. So. Would 12 hours be agreeable? And then once we get settled, we can open the discussion again.

Yeah, I agree. I'd say stick with 12 hours for now. After a handful of rounds we can reconsider depending on how things are going.

VanIslander
09-14-2007, 06:02 PM
I think there is enough objection to 9 hours. So. Would 12 hours be agreeable? And then once we get settled, we can open the discussion again.
sounds good

but let's let BM67 make the call: he's running the draft, updating the list daily

raleh
09-14-2007, 06:04 PM
hmm...maybe Hockey Guy doesn't even know he's got a team in the draft.

VanIslander
09-14-2007, 06:07 PM
You must PM the next GM after your selection.
I'm sure Hockey Outsider did his responsibility.

pappyline
09-14-2007, 06:13 PM
I'm sure Hockey Outsider did his responsibility.
I also sent him a PM this morning & I am sure others did. i guess his time is not up until noon sat.

The_Hockey_Guy18
09-14-2007, 06:20 PM
Sorry guys, school and everything, had a tonne of homework. And for some reason I got my pick and the date mixed up, so I thought it started tomorrow. Anyways..
With the 15th selection in ATD #8, the Dartmouth Subways take goaltender, Patrick Roy.

Evil Speaker
09-14-2007, 06:23 PM
Sorry guys, school and everything, had a tonne of homework. And for some reason I got my pick and the date mixed up, so I thought it started tomorrow. Anyways..
With the 15th selection in ATD #8, the Dartmouth Subways take goaltender, Patrick Roy.

It does start tomorow technically. The ATD is just full of impatient people.

VanIslander
09-14-2007, 06:33 PM
It does start tomorow technically. The ATD is just full of impatient people.
ADD in ATD (a bumper sticker)

reckoning
09-14-2007, 06:45 PM
ADD in ATD (a bumper sticker)
:handclap:

Leaf Lander
09-14-2007, 06:52 PM
ok whos up now

vancityluongo
09-14-2007, 07:07 PM
the only undrafted players your allowed to talk about is aki berg and gino odjick

we all know that

Rory Fitzpatrick.

Yeah, I'm a rebel.

The_Hockey_Guy18
09-14-2007, 07:33 PM
I PM'd arrbez after my pick, just to confirm that.

arrbez
09-14-2007, 08:41 PM
Hey guys, just got back from work.

If anyone is interested in my #16 pick, I'm more than happy to take offers for it. If not, I'll be picking within the hour...

arrbez
09-14-2007, 09:51 PM
man, i'm so torn here...I've spent 3 days thinking and I still can't decide...

VanIslander
09-14-2007, 10:00 PM
man, i'm so torn here...I've spent 3 days thinking and I still can't decide...
miss having a co-g.m. eh? ;)

Hockey Outsider
09-14-2007, 10:00 PM
I sent Hockey Guy a PM a bit before 21:00 last night (Thursday).

I wouldn't mind seeing a 12-hour time limit for the crucial first few rounds, and possibly reducing the limit later in the draft. BM67 should have final say, though. (Sorry again for not PMing my pick earlier--a bit of a rarity for me, if I do say so).

arrbez
09-14-2007, 10:17 PM
miss having a co-g.m. eh? ;)

Heh, it makes life easier...but it's kinda fun to have full creative controll as well...

anyways, i'm just typing up my selection now guys

Roger's Pancreas*
09-14-2007, 10:38 PM
man, i'm so torn here...I've spent 3 days thinking and I still can't decide...There is no wrong answer where you're picking.

Leaf Lander
09-14-2007, 10:41 PM
Heh, it makes life easier...but it's kinda fun to have full creative controll as well...

anyways, i'm just typing up my selection now guys

hurry up im going out for the nightfellas

arrbez
09-14-2007, 10:44 PM
Ok, so without further ado, the Aurora Tigers select the most dominant player to ever grace the slot (and I use the term "grace" very lightly):

Phil Esposito

http://www.heritagehockey.com/eStore/graphics/players/phil_esposito.jpg

Although known best for his sublime acting abilities in commercials for Steelback Breweries, Phil Esposito was a hockey player in his formative years. Simply put, he was one of the most dominant offensive players to ever play the game. Esposito obliterated every existing scoring record, and held them untill Gretzky arrived on the scene.

Equally impressive was his play at crunchtime. He scored 53 points in 29 combined games during the Bruins two cup victories, leading the league in playoff scoring both times. Even at the age of 37 he dragged a New York squad to the finals with a steller 20 point performance...7 points ahead of any other Ranger. But most impressive was his performance at the Summit Series. After game 4 he stood in front of the Canadian media and gave one of the most famous speeches in our country's history, sticking it to the fans. He then went on to lead the tournament in goals, assists, and points while being named MVP of 3 games (including a 4 point performance in game 8). He was without a doubt Canada's best player, and most likely the MVP of the tournament.

He also had wicked sideburns.


Hart Memorial Trophy: 1969, 1974
Lester B. Pearson Trophy: 1971, 1974
Led NHL in goals: 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975
Led NHL in assists: 1968, 1969
Led NHL in points: 1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974
Led NHL in playoff scoring 1969, 1970, 1972
First All-Star Team Centre: (1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974)
Second All-Star Team Centre: (1968, 1975)
Stanley Cup Champion: 1970, 1972
1590 points in 1282 NHL games

arrbez
09-14-2007, 10:45 PM
Sorry that took forever guys, but with only one shot at a true all-time great, I wanted to be sure

Roger's Pancreas*
09-14-2007, 10:48 PM
Uh oh. Orr, Shore, Bourque, and Espo are gone. Middleton's going to be pissed.

VanIslander
09-14-2007, 10:51 PM
Leaflander PM'd me his selection, the first pick by the Toronto Maple Leafs in ATD#8 is the only guy to ever score nine consecutive 50-goal seasons, Mike Bossy.

He simply cannot be (consistently) stopped.

Wisent
09-15-2007, 01:57 AM
Dubai picks

Leonard Patrick "Red" Kelly

I am very pleased with this pick :)

Leaf Lander
09-15-2007, 02:49 AM
Leaflander PM'd me his selection, the first pick by the Toronto Maple Leafs in ATD#8 is the only guy to ever score nine consecutive 50-goal seasons, Mike Bossy.

He simply cannot be (consistently) stopped.

ty my all time draft west cost brother;)


i had a date waiting for me at 1 am and she was 20 miles away so i had to make liek a nascar driver to get ti her;)

Leaf Lander
09-15-2007, 03:02 AM
#20 Mike Bossy RW


He was a magical player who always seemed to materialize with the puck in scoring position with the puck on his stick. He simply was unafraid of suceeding. It was never too late in the game for Bossy to score. Known for his powerful shot, he was among the league's goal scoring leaders and considered one of the greatest bona-fide snipers of the game

"When he shoots, it doesn't even look like he touches the puck. He swoops on it like a jai alai player would. He's got the quickest hands I've ever seen on a hockey player, even quicker than Rocket Richard's" - Al Arbour

He was the first player to reach 50 in 50 since rocket richard did it 36 yrs before. Early on in juniors scouts percieved mike to be a timid player. This changed when he entered the nhl. He matured he learned to be a more complete player then his offensive contemparies like Gretzky and Lemieux Bossy did have strong defensive awareness in his own zone and became a regular with penalty-killing duties.

Mike never played long enough for his skills to diminish, his scoring averages remain quite high. Bossy averaged .762 goals per game in the regular season, more than any other player in NHL history, and .659 in the playoffs, second only to Mario Lemieux at .710

Many regard Bossy along with Lemieux (as well as Bobby Hull and Richard) as the best pure goal scorers ever to play the game

The most 50-or-more goal seasons list is headed by Mike Bossy (nine times). On top of that, Mike Bossy has four Stanley Cup rings to his credit. He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1991 and had his number retired by the Islanders.

Reg Season 752 573 553 1126
Playoffs 129 85 75 160

Calder Memorial Trophy (1978)
Conn Smythe Trophy (1982)
First All-Star Team Right Wing (1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986)
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (1983, 1984, 1986)
Second All-Star Team Right Wing (1978, 1979, 1985

Bossy Tribute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyxAOAwPlBk&mode=related&search=

Wisent
09-15-2007, 11:11 AM
Who is seventieslord and how much longer does he have on the clock?

I PMed him the second after my pick.

pitseleh
09-15-2007, 11:48 AM
Who is seventieslord and how much longer does he have on the clock?

Assuming we're going with a twelve hour clock, he'd have just over two more hours. That said, I'd wait until we get an official word from BM67 before doing anything drastic. It'd be unfortunate if seventieslord missed his first pick (he hasn't been online since last night).

MXD
09-15-2007, 02:59 PM
So what's going on with seventieslord?

His pick is probably up by a few minutes by now : but I guess he's been given a free pass untill BM67 decides what to do with this. Skipping a pick in the 1st round can spell disaster...

BM67
09-15-2007, 03:05 PM
He has until 8:57 pm eastern. I went with an 18 hour limit for the first round, because, well, some people might think that the draft is starting today.

pavel13
09-15-2007, 03:14 PM
If he thinks the draft is starting today, wouldn't it be a fair assumption for him to think that he wouldn't be picking yet? If the draft had started today, even at midnight, the 19th pick wouldn't be expected right now, even with a one-hour time limit.

Murphy
09-15-2007, 03:26 PM
If he thinks the draft is starting today it would be a fair assumption to think he might check in today and see what the hell is going on. Might not hurt to have checked this past week either.

pavel13
09-15-2007, 03:32 PM
I still think it would be a little harsh to skip his turn though.

pavel13
09-15-2007, 03:40 PM
His last activity was last night just before midnight, and I'd seen him around before that.

Hockey Outsider
09-15-2007, 04:24 PM
Seventieslord seems to be quite reliable. He probably didn't realize the draft had started, we should give him the normal 18-hour limit.

EagleBelfour
09-15-2007, 06:38 PM
I'm gone in 20 minutes, please speak out if you're there in the folowing hours so I can send you my list. Thanks.

EagleBelfour
09-15-2007, 06:47 PM
I'll be watching the USC / Nebraska game tonight ... send away.

You've got it. Now GTG, hope Seventieslord shows up in time.

BM67
09-15-2007, 07:10 PM
I have LapS pick.

vancityluongo
09-15-2007, 07:19 PM
Boy, it would suck to be skipped this early...

ck26
09-15-2007, 07:56 PM
Posting for EagleBelfour:

With the 20th selection in this year draft, the Detroit Falcons are very proud to select, one of the best and most gifted offensive players to ever play in the National Hockey League. In his long and successful 22-year career with the Chicago Black Hawks, the gifted center scored 541 goals and earned 1467 points, which was the second highest point total in the history of the NHL at that time.

As he was recognize as a dirty, yet talented player early in his career, the Czechoslovakian-born player shown the world just how great of a hockey player he was when he abandon the spear and the cross-check for the slick passes and the precise wrist shot. In back-to-back season , in 1966-67 and 1967-68, ''Stosh'' managed to win the Hart Memorial Trophy, the Art Ross Trophy, the Laby Bing and a First Team All-Star recognition. These two seasons were remembered as two of the most succesful season a forward as ever produced.

The inventor of the curved blade and the ''Mikita Helmet Style'' (those were slick!), the Detroit Falcons select ... Stan Mikita

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/graphspot/one_mikita04.jpg

Stanley Cup (1961)
Stanley Cup Finalist (1962, 1965, 1971, 1973)
Art Ross Trophy (1964, 1965, 1967, 1968)
Hart Memorial Trophy (1967, 1968)
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (1967, 1968)
First All-Star Team Centre (1962, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968)
Second All-Star Team Centre (1965, 1970)
Lester Patrick Trophy (1976)

I have to say that I have never seen a better center. Maybe some could do one thing better than Stan, like skating faster or shooting harder. But none of them could do all the things that a center has to do as well as Stan does. And very few of them came close to being as smart as he is. He's about the brightest hockey player I've ever seen. He's a hard nosed hockey player. One of his biggest assets is that he has got a lot of pride

BM67
09-15-2007, 08:01 PM
LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers select the all-time NHL shutout leader

Terry Sawchuk (http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/spot_oneononep197103.htm)

VanIslander
09-15-2007, 09:16 PM
http://www.logoserver.com/hockey/NewYorkRaiders.GIF
Dominik Hasek

Nalyd Psycho
09-16-2007, 02:16 AM
Mikita and Hasek so would have been who I was debating between if I had a pick in this range.

shawnmullin
09-16-2007, 02:33 AM
Geez missing a first round pick is so huge. How long do we let it go on before doing something? The team will be absurdly handicapped.

Nalyd Psycho
09-16-2007, 02:40 AM
Maybe the end of the 1st. Right now the value of other players is close to different but equal.

Sturminator
09-16-2007, 03:33 AM
It's entirely possible that seventieslord's pick is still on the board. As Nalyd said, there is little to differentiate many of the mid-1st rounders other than personal preference.

shawnmullin
09-16-2007, 05:08 AM
looking for a 2nd pick in the 2nd round.

PM me if you are interested.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
09-16-2007, 09:59 AM
So is anybody gonna have the cojones to skip Middleton if he doesn't make his pick on time? :sarcasm:

BM67
09-16-2007, 10:40 AM
So is anybody gonna have the cojones to skip Middleton if he doesn't make his pick on time? :sarcasm:
What You think we should select for him? Maybe John Wensink?

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
09-16-2007, 10:54 AM
What You think we should select for him? Maybe John Wensink?

I was thinking maybe Rob Tallas. You know, build from the goalie on out.

But then there is that LW position scarcity.

Rick Middleton
09-16-2007, 11:26 AM
So is anybody gonna have the cojones to skip Middleton if he doesn't make his pick on time? :sarcasm:

I got the PM at 2:54 in the morning. Needless to say, I wasn't up at the time.

Sturminator
09-16-2007, 11:28 AM
No one has the sack to skip Middleton. Rick would sooner delete the entire ATD board than miss out on a first rounder.

Rick's just feeling a bit of ennui because all of the top Bruins are gone. Relax Rick, you can wait on Hal Gill.

Rick Middleton
09-16-2007, 11:38 AM
The Gwinnett Gladiators are proud to select, from Mitchell, Ontario

Howie Morenz, C
http://www.legendsofhockey.net/graphspot/pin_horner03.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howie_Morenz
Considered by many old-timers to be the greatest hockey player in hockey history, Howie Morenz was a three-time winner of the Hart Memorial Trophy as the league's most valuable player and a two-time scoring leader (prior to the introduction of the Art Ross Trophy). He was nicknamed "The Stratford Streak," "The Mitchell Meteor," "L'homme eclair" (loosely translated as "Lightning Man") and "The Babe Ruth of Hockey." When sportswriters referred to the 1920s as "The Golden Age of Sport," Morenz was listed as the hockey player of the age alongside Ruth in baseball, Red Grange in football, Jack Dempsey in boxing, Bobby Jones in golf and Bill Tilden in tennis

Rick Middleton
09-16-2007, 11:40 AM
No one has the sack to skip Middleton. Rick would sooner delete the entire ATD board than miss out on a first rounder.

Rick's just feeling a bit of ennui because all of the top Bruins are gone. Relax Rick, you can wait on Hal Gill.

My feeling of ennui stems from my team losing our football game yesterday and getting eliminated from the playoffs.

ck26
09-16-2007, 11:46 AM
Trade negotiations underway ... waiting for about an hour.

Roger's Pancreas*
09-16-2007, 11:49 AM
Trade negotiations underway ... waiting for about an hour.No dice.

ck26
09-16-2007, 11:57 AM
The Dallas Black Hawks are proud to announce the first member of our team.

Defenseman Larry Robinson from Winchester, Ontario.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
09-16-2007, 12:12 PM
I got the PM at 2:54 in the morning. Needless to say, I wasn't up at the time.

Bullspit! Half the day's gone by then.

Sturminator
09-16-2007, 12:20 PM
My feeling of ennui stems from my team losing our football game yesterday and getting eliminated from the playoffs.

Ah well, at least you made a superb pick with your late first rounder in the All-Time Draft. Howie at twenty three is one in the W column.

EagleBelfour
09-16-2007, 12:21 PM
Some observation:

In 7 of the 8 ATD, Mario Lemieux has been taken 4th (3rd once)
Jacques Plante never been selected this high (but IMO he deserve to be)
Patrick Roy never been selected this low (but IMO he should be selected in the 15-20 range)
Red Kelly never been selected this high (Big fan of his, I think he should be selected in the 20-25 range)

EagleBelfour
09-16-2007, 12:22 PM
Ah well, at least you made a superb pick with your late first rounder in the All-Time Draft. Howie at twenty three is one in the W column.

An awesome selection, I would of taken the same players at your spot.

MXD
09-16-2007, 12:25 PM
Ah well, at least you made a superb pick with your late first rounder in the All-Time Draft. Howie at twenty three is one in the W column.

Awesome pick, and JFF/RP are probably thanking you for making such a good pick, too! :)

Roger's Pancreas*
09-16-2007, 12:32 PM
Awesome pick, and JFF/RP are probably thanking you for making such a good pick, too! :)To be honest, the last couple of picks have caught me off guard, but I'm not complaining. The Bombers select Manitoba's own, Bobby Clarke.

Bread & Butter's on the clock, and has been notified that his pick is up.

Hockey Outsider
09-16-2007, 12:46 PM
It's very hard to get a steal in the first round, but I think Rick Middleton's qualifies. I was seriously considering taking The Stratford Streak at #14. By all accounts, Morenz was as dominant as Beliveau, Hull and Richard.

MXD
09-16-2007, 12:48 PM
To be honest, the last couple of picks have caught me off guard, but I'm not complaining. The Bombers select Manitoba's own, Bobby Clarke.

Bread & Butter's on the clock, and has been notified that his pick is up.

This is indeed the least surprising pick of the 1st round...

ck26
09-16-2007, 12:53 PM
This is indeed the least surprising pick of the 1st round...Less suprising than Bobby Orr? I mean ... even 2 Flyers fans managing a team from Flin Flon picking Clarke is more suprising than Bobby Orr ...

Wisent
09-16-2007, 01:07 PM
Some observation:

In 7 of the 8 ATD, Mario Lemieux has been taken 4th (3rd once)
Jacques Plante never been selected this high (but IMO he deserve to be)
Patrick Roy never been selected this low (but IMO he should be selected in the 15-20 range)
Red Kelly never been selected this high (Big fan of his, I think he should be selected in the 20-25 range)

I wanted Kelly and with my next pick he would not have been there any more.

MXD
09-16-2007, 01:22 PM
Another tidbit worth noting : Bobby Clarke has now been selected 25th for the 3rd time a row.

God Bless Canada
09-16-2007, 01:37 PM
Thanks to LL, Lapi and Eagle for respecting your fellow GMs and PM'ing your picks.

God Bless Canada
09-16-2007, 01:39 PM
Some observation:

In 7 of the 8 ATD, Mario Lemieux has been taken 4th (3rd once)
Jacques Plante never been selected this high (but IMO he deserve to be)
Patrick Roy never been selected this low (but IMO he should be selected in the 15-20 range)
Red Kelly never been selected this high (Big fan of his, I think he should be selected in the 20-25 range)
I think Red Kelly's absolutely worthy of a top 15-20 pick. His character, leadership ability, hockey sense and versatility (he was a star at both defence and centre) make him a very valuable asset. I'd take him ahead of a couple guys drafted ahead of him. (Bossy and Esposito come to mind).

EagleBelfour
09-16-2007, 01:41 PM
I think Red Kelly's absolutely worthy of a top 15-20 pick. His character, leadership ability, hockey sense and versatility (he was a star at both defence and centre) make him a very valuable asset. I'd take him ahead of a couple guys drafted ahead of him. (Bossy and Esposito come to mind).

That's a big statement. I don't say I agree, but like I said I always been a fan of complete and versatile player, and Red Kelly fits the bill pretty well. Never say it was a bad pick, far from that, but i would of taken a couple of players prior to him (Mikita, Morenz and Sawchuk comes to mind).

Roger's Pancreas*
09-16-2007, 01:51 PM
This is indeed the least surprising pick of the 1st round...Passing on him just didn't seem right, given the players who are still on the board.

EagleBelfour
09-16-2007, 01:59 PM
Passing on him just didn't seem right, given the players who are still on the board.

I also think he was the BPA, but a few players were worth consideration at that spot.

Evil Speaker
09-16-2007, 02:00 PM
So you guys know. I suffered a very painfull spinal injury and will have limited acess to the computer for the next few days. i'll try to check back as soon as possible. I needed to take two very strong pain killers just to be able to hobble over to my computer.

nik jr
09-16-2007, 02:11 PM
So you guys know. I suffered a very painful spinal injury and will have limited access to the computer for the next few days. i'll try to check back as soon as possible. I needed to take two very strong pain killers just to be able to hobble over to my computer.

we're very sorry to hear that. hope your recovery goes well.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
09-16-2007, 03:41 PM
So you guys know. I suffered a very painfull spinal injury and will have limited acess to the computer for the next few days. i'll try to check back as soon as possible. I needed to take two very strong pain killers just to be able to hobble over to my computer.

Take care of yourself.

vancityluongo
09-16-2007, 04:19 PM
So you guys know. I suffered a very painfull spinal injury and will have limited acess to the computer for the next few days. i'll try to check back as soon as possible. I needed to take two very strong pain killers just to be able to hobble over to my computer.

Get better soon man. Your health is definitely more important then this draft.

Evil Sather
09-16-2007, 04:29 PM
Get better soon man. Your health is definitely more important then this draft.

Lies.

arrbez
09-16-2007, 04:31 PM
Is it unethical to offer trades to a man who's all hopped up on oxycocette?

Get well soon bud

Diving Pokecheck*
09-16-2007, 04:40 PM
Is it unethical to offer trades to a man who's all hopped up on oxycocette?

Get well soon bud
I'll give you my 17th round pick for Doug Harvey.:D

ck26
09-16-2007, 04:46 PM
I'll give you my 17th round pick for Doug Harvey.Stop insulting the best player from hockey's best franchise.

Hope it's not a taboo thing ... but which players would you call "best player available" when they were taken?

Edit: Orr, Gretzky, Howe, Harvey, LaFleur, Bourque, Morenz, Robinson, Clarke for me.

EagleBelfour
09-16-2007, 04:57 PM
Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky, Gordie Howe, Mario Lemieux, Doug Harvey, Guy Lafleur, Jacques Plante, Phil Esposito, Mike Bossy, Stan Mikita, Terry Sawchuk, Howie Morenz, Larry Robinson, Bobby Clarke

So I guess I pretty much agree with the selection so far.

EDIT: What, you delete your question before I answer it!

Diving Pokecheck*
09-16-2007, 05:01 PM
Stop insulting the best player from hockey's best franchise.

Which players would you call "best player available" when they were taken?

Edit: Orr, Gretzky, Howe, Harvey, LaFleur, Bourque, Morenz, Robinson, Clarke for me.
I was making a joke about the previous poster saying it is unethical to trade with someone under the influence of painkillers. No disrespect to Harvey.

Hockey Outsider
09-16-2007, 05:09 PM
Take care and get better soon, ES.

seventieslord
09-16-2007, 05:57 PM
Sorry for the lateness. I will keep up from now on. With my skipped first rounder, I take Nicklas Lidstrom.

pappyline
09-16-2007, 07:05 PM
That's a big statement. I don't say I agree, but like I said I always been a fan of complete and versatile player, and Red Kelly fits the bill pretty well. Never say it was a bad pick, far from that, but i would of taken a couple of players prior to him (Mikita, Morenz and Sawchuk comes to mind).
I too like his versatility. Very rare for a defenceman to switch to forward late in his career. Usually the other way around. If he had stayed on defence, I could see him at the Harvey level or close to it.

pitseleh
09-16-2007, 07:10 PM
BTW, if anyone needs someone to announce their pick, I'm going to pretty much be tied to my computer for the rest of tonight and most of tomorrow, so feel free to send it my way.

vancityluongo
09-16-2007, 08:11 PM
Sorry for the lateness. I will keep up from now on. With my skipped first rounder, I take Nicklas Lidstrom.

Gah...

arrbez
09-16-2007, 08:14 PM
I too like his versatility. Very rare for a defenceman to switch to forward late in his career. Usually the other way around. If he had stayed on defence, I could see him at the Harvey level or close to it.

I can't see him being on Harvey's level, since Harvey was beating him for the Norris on a yearly basis. And Kelly's offensive game had dipped a bit by the time he switched over to forward with the Leafs. So I don't think playing defense for longer would have necessarily given him that much more stature among the greats.

However, if the Norris had existed back in 1950 then I think he'd be ranked a little higher because he'd probably have around 4 of them.

BM67
09-16-2007, 09:26 PM
Kelly vs Harvey in voting history

1947-48 - CALDER: 3. Red Kelly, Det D 14
1949-50 - HART: 8. Red Kelly, Det D 1 (0-0-1); LADY BYNG: 2. Red Kelly, Det D 21 (3-5-2); ALL-STAR: T3 Red Kelly, Det 17 (2-2-1)
1950-51 - HART: T3. Red Kelly, Det D 11 (1-2-4); LADY BYNG: 1. Red Kelly, Det D 31 (6-5-3); ALL-STAR: 1. Red Kelly, Det 90 (18-0-0)
1951-52 - LADY BYNG: 2. Red Kelly, Det D 27 (3-2-6); ALL-STAR: 1. Red Kelly, Det 90 (18-0-0); 2. Doug Harvey, Mtl 71 (12-3-2)
1952-53 - HART: 3. Red Kelly, Det D 25 (2-3-6); LADY BYNG: 1. Red Kelly, Det D 80 (13-5-0); ALL-STAR: 1. Red Kelly, Det 90 (18-0-0); 2. Doug Harvey, Mtl 56 (8-5-1)
1953-54 - 2. Red Kelly, Det D 74 (40-34); NORRIS: 1. Red Kelly, Det 162 (76-86); 2. Doug Harvey, Mtl 57 (22-35); ALL-STAR: 1. Red Kelly, Det 177; 2. Doug Harvey, Mtl 130
1954-55 - HART: 5. Doug Harvey, Mtl D 18 (7-11); LADY BYNG: 3. Red Kelly, Det D 53 (34-19); ALL-STAR: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 174; 2. Red Kelly, Det 151
1955-56 - HART: 4. Red Kelly, Det D 25 (14-11); 5. Doug Harvey, Mtl D 11 (6-5); NORRIS: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 156 (78-78); 3. Red Kelly, Det 44 (17-27); ALL-STAR: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 177; 3. Red Kelly, Det 114
1956-57 - HART: 5. Doug Harvey, Mtl D 17 (15-2); NORRIS: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 159 (83-76); 2. Red Kelly, Det 42 (20-22); ALL-STAR: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 172; 2. Red Kelly, Det 98
1957-58 - HART: 3. Doug Harvey, Mtl D 41 (27-14); NORRIS: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 153 (75-78); ALL-STAR: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 180
1958-59 - NORRIS: 4. Doug Harvey, Mtl 48 (30-18); ALL-STAR: 4. Doug Harvey, Mtl 92
1959-60 - NORRIS: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 129 (66-63); ALL-STAR: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 154 (88-66)
1960-61 - NORRIS: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 162 (84-78); LADY BYNG: 1. Red Kelly, Tor C 106 (48-58); ALL-STAR: 1. Doug Harvey, Mtl 169 (83-86)
1961-62 - HART: 2. Doug Harvey, NY D 60 (53-7); 8. Red Kelly, Tor C 4; NORRIS: 1. Doug Harvey, NYR 102 (83-19); LADY BYNG: 4. Red Kelly, Tor C 38 (26-12)

Kelly put up some more but since we're comparing them as Dmen I'll stop there.

I think the gap between Harvey and Kelly has grown in the telling over the years.

BM67
09-16-2007, 09:29 PM
We have a trade to announce.

The New Jersey Devils trade picks 112, 113, 616, 617 & 672 to the Dallas Blackhawks for picks 178, 248, 257, 304 & 313.

cottonking to confirm.

ck26
09-16-2007, 09:30 PM
We have a trade to announce.

The New Jersey Devils trade picks 112, 113, 616, 617 & 672 to the Dallas Blackhawks for picks 178, 248, 257, 304 & 313.

cottonking to confirm.If this cottonking guy backs out of the trade, I'd be happy to take it in his place. what a deal!

Edit: oh, wait.

BlueBleeder
09-16-2007, 09:43 PM
The St Louis Eagles select a man we all hate, but we would have loved him had he played for us and not been a career Red Wing... C.. Steve Yzerman

Diving Pokecheck*
09-16-2007, 09:44 PM
The Seattle Thunderbirds select Goalie Ken Dryden.

BlueBleeder
09-16-2007, 09:45 PM
Awesome. Saved me the trouble of the PM.:handclap:

VanIslander
09-16-2007, 09:48 PM
...a man we all hate
It is physically impossible to conjure up an emotion of hate with respect to Stevie Y.

I say that as a card-carrying member of the Red Wings Haters Club.

EagleBelfour
09-16-2007, 10:14 PM
The St Louis Eagles select a man we all hate, but we would have loved him had he played for us and not been a career Red Wing... C.. Steve Yzerman

What? It is IMPOSSIBLE to hate Stevie Y, I would go as far to say he's one of the most loved and respected player in the last 30 years.

The Seattle Thunderbirds select Goalie Ken Dryden.

And I had hope he would fall to number 37 ... doh!

vancityluongo
09-16-2007, 10:24 PM
What? It is IMPOSSIBLE to hate Stevie Y, I would go as far to say he's one of the most loved and respected player in the last 30 years.



And I had hope he would fall to number 37 ... doh!

I was hoping he'd fall to us. Damnit.

Tricolore and I are up, but we have one problem: Our list was Hasek, Lidstrom, Yzerman, Dryden and Robinson. We made that about 8 picks ago and were sure we would be able to snatch 2 of them at our picks...Now we have to start over.

However, I guarentee we'll pick before 5:00PM PST tommorow.

EdiT: Nope, I was wrong, we'll pick within 10 minutes.

Tricolore#20
09-16-2007, 10:48 PM
With the 28th pick of the All-Time Draft, the Winnipeg Jets are proud to select JAROMIR JAGR.

We consider him to be the finest NHL player to have arrived from Europe, and will provide a strong offensive aspect to our team.

God Bless Canada
09-16-2007, 10:51 PM
With the 30th pick of the All-Time Draft, the Winnipeg Jets are proud to select JAROMIR JAGR.

We consider him to be the finest NHL player to have arrived from Europe, and will provide a strong offensive aspect to our team.
You guys have picks No. 28 and 29, not No. 30. Unless I missed something.

Tricolore#20
09-16-2007, 10:52 PM
With the 29th pick of the All-Time Draft, the Winnipeg Jets are proud to select MARTIN BRODEUR.

We consider him to be the amongst the top netminders in NHL history, and are excited to receive him with the 29th pick.

Tricolore#20
09-16-2007, 10:53 PM
You guys have picks No. 28 and 29, not No. 30. Unless I missed something.

Sorry, my bad. I've corrected it.

vancityluongo
09-16-2007, 10:53 PM
You guys have picks No. 28 and 29, not No. 30. Unless I missed something.

Correct. We have picks 28 and 29. Not 30 and 31.

BlueBleeder
09-16-2007, 11:22 PM
What? It is IMPOSSIBLE to hate Stevie Y, I would go as far to say he's one of the most loved and respected player in the last 30 years


It is physically impossible to conjure up an emotion of hate with respect to Stevie Y.

I say that as a card-carrying member of the Red Wings Haters Club

Your not Blues fans haunted by the goal.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
09-16-2007, 11:52 PM
The Portage la Prairie Plains, with their very first ATD pick, are surprised and delighted to be able to select an 8 time First Team All-Star, Art Ross Trophy winner, catalyst and leader of the '50s Red Wing dynasty, and one of the nastiest, most driven players in the history of the league:

"Terrible" Ted Lindsay

http://www.detroitfirefighters.net/images/TedLindsayDEATHTHREAT.jpg

In doing so, we also immediately forfeit any claims to being the most attractive team in the ATD.

God Bless Canada
09-16-2007, 11:58 PM
The Portage la Prairie Plains, with their very first ATD pick, are surprised and delighted to be able to select an 8 time First Team All-Star, Art Ross Trophy winner, catalyst and leader of the '50s Red Wing dynasty, and one of the nastiest, most driven players in the history of the league:

"Terrible" Ted Lindsay

http://www.detroitfirefighters.net/images/TedLindsayDEATHTHREAT.jpg

In doing so, we also immediately forfeit any claims to being the most attractive team in the ATD.
Mark this moment well, gentlemen. We could be in a lot of all-time drafts for a lot of years, and not see a bigger steal at the 30-35 spot than Terrible Ted Lindsay at No. 30. Welcome to the draft, doc. You just got the second-best LW of all-time, your captain, one of the great competitors of all-time, an offensive game-breaker, a physical force and a player who's as strong as an ox. A no-brainer pick if there ever was one.

He's better than at least a third of the players picked ahead of him.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
09-17-2007, 12:09 AM
Mark this moment well, gentlemen. We could be in a lot of all-time drafts for a lot of years, and not see a bigger steal at the 30-35 spot than Terrible Ted Lindsay at No. 30. Welcome to the draft, doc. You just got the second-best LW of all-time, your captain, one of the great competitors of all-time, an offensive game-breaker, a physical force and a player who's as strong as an ox. A no-brainer pick if there ever was one.

He's better than at least a third of the players picked ahead of him.

I couldn't believe my luck. I didn't even account for the possibility that he'd be available at #30, honestly.

And your bang on about the captaincy. I wouldn't think of asking anyone else to lead my team.

Nalyd Psycho
09-17-2007, 12:30 AM
I was totally shocked when the Thunderbirds passed on a chance at one of the greatest, if not the greatest 1-2 punch of all time with Howe-Lindsay.

pavel13
09-17-2007, 12:43 AM
I was totally shocked when the Thunderbirds passed on a chance at one of the greatest, if not the greatest 1-2 punch of all time with Howe-Lindsay.

The Seattle Thunderbirds couldn't all-time draft their way out of a wet paper bag.

Seriously though, if I were in that position, I would be extremely tempted to pick Lindsay. However, considering the picks that they had (110 is their next pick), they would have a one-line team without any elite goalie or defensemen. So I can completely understand the desire to pick a player like Dryden.

nik jr
09-17-2007, 12:59 AM
I was totally shocked when the Thunderbirds passed on a chance at one of the greatest, if not the greatest 1-2 punch of all time with Howe-Lindsay.

we knew he was available, but we traded up for a goalie. i was really torn, but my partner really wanted a goalie. i was really hoping someone would take him so that we wouldn't even have the choice!
lindsay would obviously be a perfect fit, and a huge steal, but i was not sure the sacrifice of depth was worth it. our goalie would be mediocre at best (relative to other teams). already we sacrificed depth to get to 27.
your team had howe and lemieux and lost. kreuzer had 2 elite forwards and a very solid team around them and lost.

we were able to justify it by thinking, howe won 2 hart trophies, past his prime, without lindsay. he was still a dominant player without him. howe could dominate on a line with 2 minor leaguers
we did not want to end up picking 2 forwards, even as great as lindsay, and then picking D and goalie only after 110.

obviously the top line is hugely better with lindsay, but we think the crease is hugely better with dryden than with whoever at 110.

Nalyd Psycho
09-17-2007, 12:59 AM
The Seattle Thunderbirds couldn't all-time draft their way out of a wet paper bag.

Seriously though, if I were in that position, I would be extremely tempted to pick Lindsay. However, considering the picks that they had (110 is their next pick), they would have a one-line team without any elite goalie or defensemen. So I can completely understand the desire to pick a player like Dryden.

True, I just figured their motivation for the trade was to either recreate the Production line or create a new Production Line with Yzerman-Howe...

Nalyd Psycho
09-17-2007, 01:01 AM
I editted your post because both players mentioned will almost certainly be taken...
we knew he was available, but we traded up for a goalie. i was really torn, but my partner really wanted a goalie. i was really hoping someone would take him so that we wouldn't even have the choice!
lindsay would obviously be a perfect fit, and a huge steal, but i was not sure the sacrifice of depth was worth it. our goalie would be mediocre at best (relative to other teams). already we sacrificed depth to get to 27.
your team had howe and lemieux and lost. kreuzer had trottier and jagr and a very solid team around them and lost.

we were able to justify it by thinking, howe won 2 hart trophies, past his prime, without lindsay. he was still a dominant player without him. howe could dominate on a line with #### and ####
we did not want to end up picking 2 forwards, even as great as lindsay, and then picking D and goalie only after 110.

obviously the top line is hugely better with lindsay, but we think the crease is hugely better with dryden than with whoever at 110.

Fair enough, that does make sense. I'm still waiting to get a lower pick so I can have an elite goalie too. I think your plan makes sense, it just wasn't what I expected.

God Bless Canada
09-17-2007, 01:05 AM
we knew he was available, but we traded up for a goalie. i was really torn, but my partner really wanted a goalie. i was really hoping someone would take him so that we wouldn't even have the choice!
lindsay would obviously be a perfect fit, and a huge steal, but i was not sure the sacrifice of depth was worth it. our goalie would be mediocre at best (relative to other teams). already we sacrificed depth to get to 27.
your team had howe and lemieux and lost. kreuzer had 2 elite forwards and a very solid team around them and lost.

we were able to justify it by thinking, howe won 2 hart trophies, past his prime, without lindsay. he was still a dominant player without him. howe could dominate on a line with 2 minor leaguers
we did not want to end up picking 2 forwards, even as great as lindsay, and then picking D and goalie only after 110.

obviously the top line is hugely better with lindsay, but we think the crease is hugely better with dryden than with whoever at 110.
Here's the thing about goalies: is the first goalie that much better than the 28th goalie? I don't think so. It's the position with the smallest difference from 1-28. Difference between No. 1 and No. 28 defencemen is huge. (Difference from 1 to 8 is huge). But the 28th goalie is still a goalie who can steal a series, and has probably stolen a series. At No. 110, you'd still get an outstanding goalie who can lead you to the championship.

Dryden's a top six or seven goalie of all-time. But the No. 6 or 7 goalie, or the No. 2 LW? I'd take the LW, especially knowing that a) the LW played with Howe and formed one of the best lines ever; and b) the difference between the No. 6 goalie and the No. 20 goalie (which is what you'd be looking at) isn't as much as you might think.

nik jr
09-17-2007, 01:06 AM
I editted your post because both players mentioned will almost certainly be taken...


Fair enough, that does make sense. I'm still waiting to get a lower pick so I can have an elite goalie too. I think your plan makes sense, it just wasn't what I expected.

i edited it too, sorry.

we weren't expecting lindsay to fall to 27.

Nalyd Psycho
09-17-2007, 01:25 AM
Here's the thing about goalies: is the first goalie that much better than the 28th goalie? I don't think so. It's the position with the smallest difference from 1-28. Difference between No. 1 and No. 28 defencemen is huge. (Difference from 1 to 8 is huge). But the 28th goalie is still a goalie who can steal a series, and has probably stolen a series. At No. 110, you'd still get an outstanding goalie who can lead you to the championship.

Dryden's a top six or seven goalie of all-time. But the No. 6 or 7 goalie, or the No. 2 LW? I'd take the LW, especially knowing that a) the LW played with Howe and formed one of the best lines ever; and b) the difference between the No. 6 goalie and the No. 20 goalie (which is what you'd be looking at) isn't as much as you might think.

Matter of opinion, I tend to think the goalie drop of is quite significant. While a drop off in defencemen can be covered by the team. Look at cup winners like Carolina and Tampa. Both required excellent goaltending performances, but the play of their 3rd pairing was possibly more important than their first.

nik jr
09-17-2007, 01:27 AM
True, I just figured their motivation for the trade was to either recreate the Production line or create a new Production Line with Yzerman-Howe...
we were also thinking of getting lidstrom and have him do his best red kelly impersonation.

Here's the thing about goalies: is the first goalie that much better than the 28th goalie? I don't think so. It's the position with the smallest difference from 1-28. Difference between No. 1 and No. 28 defencemen is huge. (Difference from 1 to 8 is huge). But the 28th goalie is still a goalie who can steal a series, and has probably stolen a series. At No. 110, you'd still get an outstanding goalie who can lead you to the championship.

Dryden's a top six or seven goalie of all-time. But the No. 6 or 7 goalie, or the No. 2 LW? I'd take the LW, especially knowing that a) the LW played with Howe and formed one of the best lines ever; and b) the difference between the No. 6 goalie and the No. 20 goalie (which is what you'd be looking at) isn't as much as you might think.
i generally agree about the goalies. but i think most people value elite goalies very highly. i think that's why they get picked in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

we were thinking, many would criticize us as a 1-line, or even 2 man team, with below average D and goaltending.

we discussed the possibility of lemieux and jagr, 2 unstoppable scorers, but we decided against it for similar reasons.

i knew everyone would notice we didn't pick lindsay and it would be a little embarrassing. :(

on a happier note, ted lindsay has sent us this nice song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtK-2khay3s&locale=en_US&persist_locale=1

BlueBleeder
09-17-2007, 08:43 AM
The St Louis Eagles are proud to select G .. Glenn Hall

shawnmullin
09-17-2007, 08:44 AM
Here's the thing about goalies: is the first goalie that much better than the 28th goalie? I don't think so. It's the position with the smallest difference from 1-28. Difference between No. 1 and No. 28 defencemen is huge. (Difference from 1 to 8 is huge). But the 28th goalie is still a goalie who can steal a series, and has probably stolen a series. At No. 110, you'd still get an outstanding goalie who can lead you to the championship.

Dryden's a top six or seven goalie of all-time. But the No. 6 or 7 goalie, or the No. 2 LW? I'd take the LW, especially knowing that a) the LW played with Howe and formed one of the best lines ever; and b) the difference between the No. 6 goalie and the No. 20 goalie (which is what you'd be looking at) isn't as much as you might think.

You say that but I think when it comes to playoff match-ups people take even a slight goalie advantage quite seriously. I'm not sure if that's reasonable or not, but it feels that way sometimes when watching the voting.

MXD
09-17-2007, 08:44 AM
While I thought Ted Lindsay went a little early last draft (in the 10-15 range), it's a absolute steal to draft him at 30.