All-Time Draft #8, Part IV

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BM67
10-17-2007, 07:16 AM
All-Time Draft, Part I (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=418111)

All-Time Draft, Part II (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=422263)

All-Time Draft #8, Part III (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=426811)

The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards, a coach and 3 extra players.

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed.

The time limit is 9 hours. Dropping by 1 hour for each skipped pick. If you miss 2 picks you become eligible for replacement.

You must PM the next GM after your selection.

GMs with reduced time limits

Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - 7 hours
seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - 7 hours
Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - 5 hours
LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - 4 hours
Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - 6 hours
murphy - Edmonton Oilers - 8 hours
The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - 7 hours
vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - 7 hours
BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - 8 hours
doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - 8 hours
Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - 8 hours
Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - 7 hours

Any player from any league or era are eligible, but their selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future.

Draft Order

Round #1
1 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Orr
2 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Wayne Gretzky
3 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Gordie Howe
4 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mario Lemieux
5 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Bobby Hull
6 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Maurice Richard
7 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Eddie Shore
8 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jean Beliveau
9 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Doug Harvey
10 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Guy Lafleur
11 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Ray Bourque
12 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Mark Messier
13 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Plante
14 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Denis Potvin
15 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Patrick Roy
16 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Phil Esposito
17 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
18 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Red Kelly
19 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nicklas Lidstrom
20 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Stan Mikita
21 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Terry Sawchuk
22 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dominik Hasek
23 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Howie Morenz
24 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Larry Robinson
25 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Bobby Clarke
26 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Steve Yzerman
27 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ken Dryden
28 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Jaromir Jagr

Round #2
29 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Martin Brodeur
30 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Ted Lindsay
31 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Glenn Hall
32 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Viacheslav Fetisov
33 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Trottier
34 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Valery Kharlamov
35 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Scott Stevens
36 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Joe Sakic
37 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Milt Schmidt
38 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bill Durnan
39 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Brad Park
40 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Al MacInnis
41 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Chris Chelios
42 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Paul Coffey
43 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Turk Broda
44 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tim Horton
45 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Dit Clapper
46 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Johnny Bower
47 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Pierre Pilote
48 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bernie Geoffrion
49 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Billy Smith
50 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Bernie Parent
51 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Jari Kurri
52 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Earl Seibert
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Charlie Conacher
54 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Bill Cook
55 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Brian Leetch
56 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Chris Pronger

Round #3
57 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Scott Niedermayer
58 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Brett Hull
59 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Sprague Cleghorn
60 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Clint Benedict
61 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Mahovlich
62 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Dickie Moore
63 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Henri Richard
64 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Peter Forsberg
65 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Ted Kennedy
66 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Syl Apps Sr.
67 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Max Bentley
68 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Vladislav Tretiak
69 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
70 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Newsy Lalonde
71 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Joe Malone
72 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - King Clancy
73 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Borge Salming
74 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Andy Bathgate
75 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Marcel Dionne
76 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Frank Brimsek
77 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Gilbert Perreault
78 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Bill Gadsby
79 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Sergei Fedorov
80 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Fred "Cyclone" Taylor
81 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Grant Fuhr
82 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Rod Langway
83 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Jack "Blackjack" Stewart
84 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Aurel Joliat

Round #4
85 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Serge Savard
86 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Elmer Lach
87 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Peter Stastny
88 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Sergei Makarov
89 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Chuck Gardiner
90 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jiri Holocek
91 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Guy Lapointe
92 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Butch Bouchard
93 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - George Hainsworth
94 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nels Stewart
95 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Boris Mikhailov
96 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ed Belfour
97 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Valeri Vasiliev
98 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dale Hawerchuk
99 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Lionel “Big Train” Conacher
100 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Brendan Shanahan
101 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Johnny Bucyk
102 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Cam Neely
103 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Hector "Toe" Blake
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Laperriere
105 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mark Howe
106 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ron Francis
107 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bill Quackenbush
108 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Frank Boucher
109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Pronovost
110 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Rob Blake
111 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Cecil "Tiny" Thompson
112 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Tony Esposito

Round #5
113 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Busher Jackson
114 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Eric Lindros
115 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Gerry Cheevers
116 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Yvan Cournoyer
117 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Sid Abel
118 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Dave Keon
119 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Reardon
120 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Ebenezer "Ebbie" Goodfellow
121 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Doug Gilmour
122 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Guy Carbonneau
123 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Doug Bentley
124 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Alex Delvecchio
125 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Vladimir Konstantinov
126 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - George "Buck" Boucher
127 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Tom Johnson
128 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Adam Oates
129 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darryl Sittler
130 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Lorne "Gump" Worsley
131 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Cy Denneny
132 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Teemu Selanne
133 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pavel Bure
134 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Walter "Babe" Pratt
135 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Igor Larionov
136 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Larry Murphy
137 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Alexei Kasatonov
138 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Gartner
139 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Norm Ullman
140 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Pat LaFontaine

Round #6
141 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Luc Robitaille
142 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Roy Conacher
143 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Lanny McDonald
144 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Bill Cowley
145 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Mike Modano
146 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Steve Shutt
147 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Carl Brewer
148 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - J.C. Tremblay
149 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Doug Wilson
150 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Frank Nighbor
151 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Anatoli Firsov
152 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Sundin
153 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Fern Flaman
154 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jean Ratelle
155 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Harry Howell
156 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Leo Boivin
157 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Aleksandr Maltsev
158 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Allan Stanley
159 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Ching Johnson
160 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Vaclav Nedomansky
161 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Harry "Punch" Broadbent
162 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Jere Lehtinen
163 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Sergei Zubov
164 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Art Ross
165 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jarome Iginla
166 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Bill White
167 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Red Horner
168 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bert Olmstead

Round #7
169 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Clark Gillies
170 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Sylvio Mantha
171 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Albert "Babe" Siebert
172 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Claude Provost
173 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - David "Sweeney" Schriner
174 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bill Barber
175 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Marty Pavelich
176 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Brian Propp
177 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Doug "Diesel" Mohns
178 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Vladimir Petrov
179 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Esa Tikkanen
180 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Michel Goulet
181 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Lemaire
182 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pat Stapleton
183 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Adam Foote
184 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Alexander Ragulin
185 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gary Suter
186 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Syd Howe
187 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Joe Primeau
188 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Joe Nieuwendyk
189 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Denis Savard
190 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Rod Brind'Amour
191 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Paul Kariya
192 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Randy Carlyle
193 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Vladimir Krutov
194 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Markus Naslund
195 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Richard Martin
196 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Phil Housley

Round #8
197 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Rod Gilbert
198 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - John Tonelli
199 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Glenn Anderson
200 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Eric Desjardins
201 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Craig Ramsay
202 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Scotty Bowman, coach
203 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dino Ciccarelli
204 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Eddie Gerard
205 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Woody Dumart
206 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Babe Dye
207 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Nikolai Sologubov
208 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jimmy Thomson
209 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Harry Cameron
210 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Rick Tocchet
211 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Hooley Smith
212 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Butch Goring
213 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Theoren Fleury
214 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - George "The Chief" Armstrong
215 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Hextall Sr
216 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Art Coulter
217 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Claude Lemieux
218 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Bob Goldham
219 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Brent Sutter
220 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Vsevolod Bobrov
221 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day
222 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ed Westfall
223 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Danny Gare
224 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dave Andreychuk

Round #9
225 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Kevin Stevens
226 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Jan Suchy
227 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Hod Stuart
228 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bobby Baun
229 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Tim Kerr
230 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Frantisek Pospisil
231 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Patrik Elias
232 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Joe Hall
233 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Bill Mosienko
234 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Alexander Yakushev
235 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Gus Mortson
236 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Derian Hatcher
237 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Rick Middleton
238 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Doug Jarvis
239 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Irvine "Ace" Bailey
240 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Wayne Cashman
241 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gary Roberts
242 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels -Pete Mahovlich
243 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Joel Otto
244 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Joe Mullen
245 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Steve Larmer
246 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Don Luce
247 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Herb Gardiner
248 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ernie "Moose" Johnson
249 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Eddie Giacomin
250 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Brian Sutter
251 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Sidney Crosby
252 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Bobby Smith

Round #10
253 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Terry Harper
254 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Didier Pitre
255 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Elmer 'Moose' Vasko
256 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Mark Recchi
257 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ken Morrow
258 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Anders Hedberg
259 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Darragh
260 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Flash Hollett
261 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Brad McCrimmon
262 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Wendel Clark
263 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Georges Vezina
264 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Zdeno Chara
265 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ken Hodge
266 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Bobby Bauer
267 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Ulf Samuelsson
268 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean-Guy Talbot
269 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Vladimir Lutchenko
270 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Terrible Ted Green
271 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Kevin Lowe
272 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Chuck Rayner
273 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Bobby Nystrom
274 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Paul Thompson
275 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Reggie Leach
276 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Reed Larson
277 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Joe Thornton
278 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Marty Barry
279 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Cecil Dillon
280 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mickey MacKay

Round #11
281 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Walker
282 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Bernie Federko
283 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Frank Foyston
284 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Ed Litzenberger
285 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ott Heller
286 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Alex Connell
287 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bob Pulford
288 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Bob Bourne
289 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Sid Smith
290 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Vincent Damphousse
291 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Buddy O'Connor
292 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ralph Backstrom
293 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Lemaire, coach
294 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Rob Ramage
295 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Al Iafrate
296 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Rogie Vachon
297 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Richter
298 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Daniel Alfredsson
299 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Dick Duff
300 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Terry O'Reilly
301 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Walt Tkaczuk
302 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Vyacheslav Starshinov
303 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Peter Bondra
304 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Harry Lumley
305 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Dale Hunter
306 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Lennart Svedberg
307 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Bun Cook
308 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Mike Peca

Round #12
309 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Barclay Plager
310 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Toe Blake, coach
311 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jeremy Roenick
312 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - John Leclair
313 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Kirk Muller
314 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Pat Verbeek
315 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Rick MacLeish
316 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Reg Noble
317 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gordie Drillon
318 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Sergei Gonchar
319 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Dirk Graham
320 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Rick Vaive
321 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Herbie Lewis
322 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Kent Nilsson
323 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Dean Prentice
324 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Alexander Mogilny
325 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Trevor Linden
326 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Dave Taylor
327 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Craig MacTavish
328 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Neil Colville
329 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Craig Ludwig
330 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Mike Ramsey
331 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Phil Watson
332 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Billy Burch
333 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Al Arbour, coach
334 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jim Schoenfeld
335 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Tom Phillips
336 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Crawford

Round #13
337 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Cy Wentworth
338 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Si Griffis
339 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Tony Leswick
340 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Vic Hadfield
341 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Alf Smith
342 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Ron Ellis
343 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Linseman
344 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mats Naslund
345 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Don Marshall
346 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Brian Bellows
347 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Tommy Ivan, coach
348 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Bobby Holik
349 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Craig Hartsburg
350 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Rousseau
351 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Neal Broten
352 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Joe Klukay
353 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Keith Tkachuk
354 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Teppo Numminen
355 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bernie Nicholls
356 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Alexander Ovechkin
357 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Barry Beck
358 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Fred Shero, coach
359 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Martin St. Louis
360 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Dany Heatley
361 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Derek Sanderson
362 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jiri Bubla
363 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Larry Aurie
364 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - John Ferguson

Round #14
365 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Lester Patrick, coach
366 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Lorne Chabot
367 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Owen Nolan
368 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Vincent LeCavalier
369 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Clarence "Taffy" Abel
370 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Steve Smith
371 VanIslander - New York Raiders - J. P. "Jeep" Parise
372 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dave Poulin
373 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ken Daneyko
374 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Jimmy Charles Watson
375 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Vitaly Davydov
376 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Punch Imlach, coach
377 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladimir Shadrin
378 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Adam Graves
379 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Don Marcotte
380 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Behn Wilson
381 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Stan Smyl
382 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Keith Primeau
383 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Tod Sloan
384 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Nick Metz
385 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Chris Drury
386 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Wharram
387 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Duke Keats
388 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Fleming Mackell
389 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day, coach
390 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Steve Kasper
391 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Cecil Hart, coach
392 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Nevin

Round #15
393 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Dick Irvin Sr., coach
394 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jiri Holik
395 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jack Adams, coach
396 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Lionel Hitchman
397 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Odie Cleghorn
398 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Glen Sather, coach
399 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Mike Keenan, coach
400 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jerry "King Kong" Korab
401 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Lars-Erik Sjoberg
402 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Jacques Demers, coach
403 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Dennis Hull
404 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Reijo Ruotsalainen
405 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Mark Tinordi
406 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Charlie Simmer
407 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Tomas Sandstrom
408 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Kris Draper
409 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Murray Oliver
410 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Johnny Gottselig
411 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Ryan Smyth
412 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Bill Barilko
413 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Yvon Lambert
414 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Badger Bob Johnson, coach
415 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Ivan Tregubov
416 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Steve Duchesne
417 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Stefan Persson
418 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Calle Johansson
419 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Leo Reise Jr.
420 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Graham Drinkwater

Round #16
421 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cooney Weiland
422 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Edward Ivanov
423 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Mario Tremblay
424 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Pete Green, coach
425 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Ron Greschner
426 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Charlie Huddy
427 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Rene Robert
428 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Red Dutton
429 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ed Van Impe
430 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Steve "Stumpy" Thomas
431 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Yuri Liapkin
432 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Vernon
433 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Wilf Paiement
434 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Petr Svoboda
435 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Troy Murray
436 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Ross Lonsberry
437 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Carol Vadnais
438 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Doug Risebrough
439 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Floyd Curry
440 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Al Rollins
441 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Andy Moog
442 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Roberto Luongo
443 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - John MacLean
444 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dollard St. Laurent
445 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Duane Sutter
446 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jim Neilson
447 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Edgar Laprade
448 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Mike Foligno

Round #17
449 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Harry "Hap" Holmes
450 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Normie Smith
451 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Baldy Northcott
452 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Tom Barrasso
453 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Keith Magnuson
454 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Vladimir Dzurilla
455 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ian Turnbull
456 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Lester Patrick
457 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Orland Kurtenbach
458 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Ulf Nilsson
459 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Wally Stanowski
460 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Shayne Corson
461 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Phil Goyette
462 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Roger Crozier
463 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Arkady Chernyshev, coach
464 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Kevin Hatcher
465 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ilya Kovalchuk
466 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Tumba Johansson
467 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Jamie Langenbrunner
468 VanIslander - New York Raiders - John "Pie" McKenzie
469 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Jerry Toppazzini
470 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Ivan Hlinka
471 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - John Vanbiesbrouck
472 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Jean Pronovost
473 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Valeri Kamensky
474 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Liut
475 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harvey Pulford
476 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Marian Hossa

Round #18
477 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gilles Tremblay
478 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harry Watson
479 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Dave Babych
480 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Martin Gelinas
481 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Sandis Ozolinsh
482 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Bobby Carpenter
483 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - John Madden
484 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Al Secord
485 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ken Mosdell
486 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Lindy Ruff, coach
487 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Anatoly Tarasov, coach
488 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bill Hay
489 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ted Harris
490 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Hakan Loob
491 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Bill Hajt
492 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Bill Ranford
493 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - James Patrick
494 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Hugh Lehman
495 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Pat Burns, coach
496 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Gaye Stewart
497 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Paul Reinhart
498 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Kevin Dineen
499 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Riley Hern
500 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Gerard Gallant
501 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ron Hextall
502 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ron Sutter
503 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Frank Finnigan
504 BM67 - New Jersey Devils- Gary Dornhoefer

Round #19
505 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Patrick
506 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jack Adams
507 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Miikka Kiprusoff
508 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Eric Nesterenko
509 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Curtis Joseph
510 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Mel Bridgman
511 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ron Stackhouse
512 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Don Maloney
513 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Fred Stanfield
514 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Dallas Smith
515 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Jamie Macoun
516 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Jean-Sebastien Giguere
517 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Don Edwards
518 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Bonin
519 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Ted Nolan, coach
520 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Harry Sinden, coach
521 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Geoff Courtnall
522 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Brian Skrudland
523 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Robert Svehla
524 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Don McKenney
525 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Charlie Hodge
526 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Kirk McLean
527 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Gennady Tsygankov
528 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Garry Unger
529 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Andre "Moose" Dupont
530 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Kenny Jonsson
531 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Pat Egan
532 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bucko McDonald

Round #20
533 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Tomas Holmstrom
534 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Frank Frederickson
535 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Cliff Koroll
536 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Randy McKay
537 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Ed Jovanovski
538 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Jim Peplinski
539 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ryan Walter
540 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Frank Mcgee
541 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Phil Russell
542 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Scott Mellanby
543 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dave Kerr
544 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tomas Kaberle
545 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Paul Henderson
546 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dave Burrows
547 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Eddie Shack
548 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Dennis Maruk
549 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Bob Probert
550 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Bobby Schmautz
551 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Gary Bergman
552 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Tom Anderson
553 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Brian Rolston
554 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Dan Maloney
555 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Bill Guerin
556 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pit Lepine
557 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hec Kilrea
558 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Mcphee
559 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Mattias Norstrom
560 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Jay Pandolfo

Round #21
561 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Marshall
562 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Tommy Gorman, coach
563 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Roy ''Schrimp'' Worters
564 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glen Skov
565 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Art Ross, coach
566 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Doug Weight
567 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Gregg Sheppard
568 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mike Keane
569 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pelle Lindbergh
570 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Tomas Jonsson
571 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Kirk Maltby
572 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Erich Kühnhackl
573 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tiger Williams
574 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pierre Turgeon
575 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dan Bain
576 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Shane Doan
577 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jim Pappin
578 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Jozef Golonka
579 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - John Ross Roach
580 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ken Hitchcock, coach
581 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Roger Neilson, coach
582 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bernie Morris
583 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Scott Young
584 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Herb Brooks, coach
585 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Percy LeSueur
586 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Curt Fraser
587 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Allan "Scotty" Davidson
588 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Mathieu Schneider

Round #22
589 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Marty McSorley
590 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Mike Grant
591 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Ray Ferraro
592 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Brad Richards
593 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Chris Osgood
594 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Stan Jonathan
595 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Steve Vickers
596 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Tony Amonte
597 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Olaf Kolzig
598 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Mike Ricci
599 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Willi Plett
600 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Leo Labine
601 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Glen Wesley
602 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Barry Ashbee
603 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pit Martin
604 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tom Lysiak
605 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Simon Gagne
606 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Craig Simpson
607 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Thomas Steen
608 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Merrick
609 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Pat Quinn, coach
610 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Jimmy Roberts
611 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Dave Semenko
612 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ken Randall
613 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Viktor Konovalenko
614 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Brian Engblom
615 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Bruce Stuart
616 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Gordon "Red" Berenson

Round #23
617 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Rich "Dickie" Boon
618 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Billy Boucher
619 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Patrick Flatley
620 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Viktor Kuzkin
621 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bullet Joe Simpson
622 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Rod Seiling
623 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Murphy
624 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mickey Redmond
625 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Alexander Gusev
626 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Jason Smith
627 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Bob Dailey
628 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Terry Crisp, coach
629 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tony McKegney
630 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Lloyd Cook
631 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Milan Novy
632 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Helmut Balderis
633 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Milbury
634 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Samuel Pahlsson
635 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Peter McNab
636 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Chico Resch
637 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Josef Malecek
638 VanIslander - New York Raiders - John Ogrodnick
639 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Yuri Fedorov
640 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Billy Gilmour
641 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Dave Manson
642 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Bryan Murray, coach
643 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harry "Rat" Westwick
644 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Joe Watson

Round #24
645 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Camille “The Eel” Henry
646 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Ed Johnston
647 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Glen Harmon
648 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Paul Holmgren
649 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Vladimir Martinec
650 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Chris Nilan
651 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Ziggy Palffy
652 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - SKIPPED
653 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Hillman
654 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Dave Ellett
655 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Alexander Almetov
656 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Peter Zezel
657 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ab McDonald
658 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - George ‘‘Goldie’’ Prodgers
659 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Rollie Melanson
660 murphy - Edmonton Oilers -
661 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
662 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
663 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
664 VanIslander - New York Raiders
665 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
666 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
667 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
668 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
669 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
670 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
671 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
672 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks

Trades:

Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals trades picks 55, 114 & 223 to Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators for picks 79, 90 & 191

doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains trades picks 27, 139 & 142 to nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds for picks 54, 59 & 115

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trades picks 1 & 225 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 4 & 165

Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals trades picks 58, 111 & 226 to arrbez - Aurora Tigers for picks 72, 97 & 209

Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins trades Bobby Hull and picks 52, 108 & 388 to pappyline - Guelph Biltmores for picks 9, 48, 104 & 384

shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars trades picks 66, 122, 178 & 215 to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for picks 80, 89, 192 & 201

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trades picks 112, 113, 616, 617 & 672 to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for picks 178, 248, 257, 304 & 313.

MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke trades picks 51 & 443 to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for picks 66 & 369

reckoning - Ottawa 67s trades picks 63 & 287 to MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke for picks 66 & 275

Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels trades picks 74 & 186 to Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals for picks 79 & 170

EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons trades picks 93 & 261 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 104 & 164

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 99, 126 & 182 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 109, 116 & 172

Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators trades picks 114 & 426 to VanIslander - New York Raiders for picks 134 & 302

pappyline - Guelph Biltmores trades picks 121, 625 & 664 to VanIslander - New York Raiders for picks 147, 414 & 427

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 126, 228 & 277 to seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts for picks 150, 187 & 243

The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways trades picks 127, 154 & 266 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 132, 149 & 244

EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons trades picks 154 & 412 to Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens for picks 172 & 267

Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators trades Igor Larionov and picks 247 & 359 to John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers for Bill Cowley and picks 249 & 361

Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins trades picks 173 & 261 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 182 & 243

Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs trades picks 180 & 292 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 188 & 267

MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke trades picks 622 & 667 to reckoning - Ottawa 67s for picks 623 & 666

doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains trades picks 195 & 419 to LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers for picks 204 & 301

BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 199 & 255 to MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke for picks 219 & 230

Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels trades picks 207 & 263 to Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators for picks 223 & 249

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trades picks 224, 448 & 560 to VanIslander - New York Raiders for picks 259, 315 & 582

murphy - Edmonton Oilers trades picks 268 & 436 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 300 & 356

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 323 & 350 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 333 & 340

vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 364, 477 & 532 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 373, 468 & 524

MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke trades picks 398, 499, 555 & 607 to shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars for picks 402, 495, 551 & 611

vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets trade picks 421 & 645 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 445 & 501

BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 423 & 647 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 436 & 597

pappyline - Guelph Biltmores trades Rene Robert and picks 569 & 608 to LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers for picks 469, 525 & 540

vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 468, 476, 589 & 644 to VanIslander - New York Raiders for picks 483, 526, 539 & 560

VanIslander - New York Raiders trades Marian Hossa to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for pick 649

MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke trades picks 495 & 623 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 532 & 541

The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways trades Arkady Chernyshev, coach & pick 631 to Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels for picks 522 & 543

nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds trades picks 563 & 670 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 580 & 623

Rick Middleton
10-17-2007, 07:19 AM
Could I put forward a motion to further reduce the time period to 6 hours per selection? This has gone beyond tedious. There are enough people on this board at all times during the day that with picks being forwarded to the next GM we should be able to rattle off a round per day. The 8 hour delays between selections are driving me to drink.

MXD
10-17-2007, 07:22 AM
Could I put forward a motion to further reduce the time period to 6 hours per selection? This has gone beyond tedious. There are enough people on this board at all times during the day that with picks being forwarded to the next GM we should be able to rattle off a round per day. The 8 hour delays between selections are driving me to drink.

If we are to vote on this, I weakly disagree. I'm not the boss, though.

pappyline
10-17-2007, 07:30 AM
Could I put forward a motion to further reduce the time period to 6 hours per selection? This has gone beyond tedious. There are enough people on this board at all times during the day that with picks being forwarded to the next GM we should be able to rattle off a round per day. The 8 hour delays between selections are driving me to drink.
I totally agree. When I signed on about 10 EST last night, the next 5 selectors were all on line. When I signed off at 11 (after leaving a list), only one had picked. Coming on at 8:00, I see only one more pick was made during the night. Some people take a long time in making their pick & others sign off without leaving a list. Very frustrating.

VanIslander
10-17-2007, 07:36 AM
Could I put forward a motion to further reduce the time period to 6 hours per selection? This has gone beyond tedious. There are enough people on this board at all times during the day that with picks being forwarded to the next GM we should be able to rattle off a round per day. The 8 hour delays between selections are driving me to drink.
The delays are NINE hours and I find a glass of rum helps. ;)

I also support the motion (pappyline seconded it).

VanIslander
10-17-2007, 07:48 AM
Suggestion:

Spend some of your waiting time making notes of players for the minor league draft.

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Atd-ML#8 will begin following this draft and :teach: it's never too early to start making list of players you come across who were really good but perhaps not great enough (or were great enough but are down on your depth chart at that position).

God Bless Canada
10-17-2007, 08:50 AM
Halifax RCAF is pleased to select a rough-and-tumble agitator to centre our fourth line. He won four Stanley Cups with the Montreal Canadiens in the late 70s, playing a solid two-way game while getting under the opposition's skin. He topped 40 points six times. However, he will not be consulted for any personel decisions. Solid two-way grinder, terrible GM. The pivot for Montreal's kid line:

C Doug Risebrough

God Bless Canada
10-17-2007, 09:10 AM
I would have no qualms with a six-hour time limit. We dropped the time limit down to nine hours a third of the way through the draft. This, or Round 18, would be a proper time to drop it to six, if we're going to do it. The draft is becoming more and more of a crapshoot with each passing round, and odds are you're going to get the guy you really want. (Risebrough was at or near the top of my list ever since we picked Hull).

I don't think you're going to see an entire round completed in a day, not with 28 GMs spread out all over the map (and some who keep rather bizarre sleeping hours).

The draft is actually flowing quite well. We're into our sixth week, and we're almost done Round 16. We should be able to wrap this up in eight weeks, which is the amount of time it usually takes us to complete a draft. (And when you consider how the draft has grown in the last three editions, that's pretty impressive).

I'll probably be in for the minor league draft, but my suggestion would be to wait until after our ATD champion is crowned. VanI had some good ideas for it (and one really half-baked idea).

Evil Sather
10-17-2007, 09:22 AM
I'm for leaving the time limit -- I sleep for gods sake and sometimes I don't check the computer before I go -- I should not be penalized because I want a normal schedule, not checking hfboards at 3:37 AM to see if I need to make my pick.

I also go out, sometimes spontaneously, and sorry guys but I refuse to manage my life around a pretend draft with scores of dead hockey players to be decided by debate.

Rick Middleton
10-17-2007, 10:09 AM
I'm for leaving the time limit -- I sleep for gods sake and sometimes I don't check the computer before I go -- I should not be penalized because I want a normal schedule, not checking hfboards at 3:37 AM to see if I need to make my pick.

I also go out, sometimes spontaneously, and sorry guys but I refuse to manage my life around a pretend draft with scores of dead hockey players to be decided by debate.

I'm not suggesting that people chain themselves to their computer to finish this draft, but I don't see it being terribly unreasonable to forward a list of 5-6 players to someone when you see your pick coming up.

Leaf Lander
10-17-2007, 10:12 AM
369 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Clarence "Taffy" Abel
117 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Sid Abel
395 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jack Adams, coach
298 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Daniel Alfredsson
596 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Tony Amonte
199 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Glenn Anderson
552 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Tom Anderson
224 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dave Andreychuk
66 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Syl Apps Sr.
333 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Al Arbour, coach
214 GBC & raleh - Halifax RCAF - George "The Chief" Armstrong
602 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Barry Ashbee
363 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Larry Aurie

479 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Dave Babych
292 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ralph Backstrom
239 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Irvine "Ace" Bailey
174 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bill Barber
412 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Bill Barilko
452 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Tom Barrasso
278 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Marty Barry
74 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Andy Bathgate
228 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bobby Baun
266 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Bobby Bauer
357 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Barry Beck
96 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ed Belfour
8 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jean Beliveau
346 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Brian Bellows
60 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Clint Benedict
123 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Doug Bentley
67 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Max Bentley
551 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Gary Bergman
103 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Hector "Toe" Blake
310 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Toe Blake, coach
110 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Rob Blake
220 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Vsevolod Bobrov
156 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Leo Boivin
303 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Peter Bondra
518 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Bonin
17 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
92 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Butch Bouchard
108 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Frank Boucher
126 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - George "Buck" Boucher
288 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Bob Bourne
11 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Ray Bourque
202 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Scotty Bowman, coach
46 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Johnny Bower
147 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Carl Brewer
510 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Mel Bridgman
76 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Frank Brimsek
190 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Rod Brind'Amour
161 Evil Sather & kruezer - NY Rangers - Harry "Punch" Broadbent
43 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Turk Broda
29 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Martin Brodeur
518 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Bonin
351 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Neal Broten
362 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jiri Bubla
101 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Johnny Bucyk
332 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Billy Burch
133 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pavel Bure
495 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Pat Burns, coach
546 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dave Burrows

575 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dan Bain
584 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Herb Brooks, coach
616 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Gordon "Red" Berenson
617 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Rich "Dickie" Boon
618 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Billy Boucher

209 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Harry Cameron
122 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Guy Carbonneau
192 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Randy Carlyle
482 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Bobby Carpenter
240 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Wayne Cashman
264 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Zdeno Chara
115 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Gerry Cheevers
41 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Chris Chelios
463 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Arkady Chernyshev, coach
203 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dino Ciccarelli
366 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Lorne Chabot
72 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - King Clancy
45 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Dit Clapper
262 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Wendel Clark
25 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Bobby Clarke
397 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Odie Cleghorn
59 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Sprague Cleghorn
42 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Paul Coffey
328 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Neil Colville
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Charlie Conacher
99 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Lionel “Big Train” Conacher
142 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Roy Conacher
286 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Alex Connell
54 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Bill Cook
307 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Bun Cook
460 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Shayne Corson
216 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Art Coulter
116 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Yvan Cournoyer
521 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Geoff Courtnall
144 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Bill Cowley
336 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Crawford
251 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Sidney Crosby
462 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Roger Crozier
439 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Floyd Curry

290 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Vincent Damphousse
373 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ken Daneyko
259 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Darragh
375 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Vitaly Davydov
221 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day
389 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day, coach
124 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Alex Delvecchio
402 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Jacques Demers, coach
131 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Cy Denneny
200 John Flyers Fan & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Eric Desjardins
279 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Cecil Dillon
498 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Kevin Dineen
75 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Marcel Dionne
504 BM67 - New Jersey Devils- Gary Dornhoefer
408 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Kris Draper
317 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gordie Drillon
420 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Graham Drinkwater
385 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Chris Drury
27 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ken Dryden
416 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Steve Duchesne
299 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Dick Duff
205 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Woody Dumart
529 John FF & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Andre "Moose" Dupont
38 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bill Durnan
428 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Red Dutton
206 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Babe Dye
454 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Vladimir Dzurilla

576 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Shane Doan
587 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Allan "Scotty" Davidson


517 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Don Edwards
531 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Pat Egan
231 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Patrik Elias
342 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Ron Ellis
614 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Brian Engblom
16 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Phil Esposito
112 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Tony Esposito


282 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Bernie Federko
79 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Sergei Fedorov
364 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - John Ferguson
32 John Flyers F & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Viacheslav Fetisov
503 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals- Frank Finnigan
151 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Anatoli Firsov
153 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Fern Flaman
213 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Theoren Fleury
448 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Mike Foligno
64 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Peter Forsberg
283 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Frank Foyston
81 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Grant Fuhr
106 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ron Francis
534 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Frank Frederickson

586 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Curt Fraser
591 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Ray Ferraro
619 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Patrick Flatley

78 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Bill Gadsby
69 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
500 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Gerard Gallant
89 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Chuck Gardiner
247 John Flyers Fan & R Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Herb Gardiner
223 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Danny Gare
138 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Gartner
480 John F Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Martin Gelinas
48 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bernie Geoffrion
204 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Eddie Gerard
249 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Eddie Giacomin
516 F Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Jean-Sebastien Giguere
197 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Rod Gilbert
169 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Clark Gillies
121 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Doug Gilmour
218 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Bob Goldham
318 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Sergei Gonchar
120 Evil S & kruezer - New York Rangers - Ebenezer "Ebbie" Goodfellow
212 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Butch Goring
410 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Johnny Gottselig
180 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Michel Goulet
461 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Phil Goyette
319 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Dirk Graham
378 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Adam Graves
424 John FF & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Pete Green, coach
270 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Terrible Ted Green
425 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Ron Greschner
2 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Wayne Gretzky
338 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Si Griffis
555 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Bill Guerin


605 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Simon Gagne
590 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Mike Grant
578 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Jozef Golonka
562 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Tommy Gorman, coach

340 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Vic Hadfield
93 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - George Hainsworth
491 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Bill Hajt
31 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Glenn Hall
232 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Joe Hall
253 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Terry Harper
489 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ted Harris
391 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Cecil Hart, coach
349 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Craig Hartsburg
9 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Doug Harvey
22 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dominik Hasek
464 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Kevin Hatcher
236 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Derian Hatcher
98 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dale Hawerchuk
488 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bill Hay
360 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Dany Heatley
258 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Anders Hedberg
285 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ott Heller
545 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Paul Henderson
499 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Riley Hern
215 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Hextall Sr
501 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ron Hextall
580 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ken Hitchcock, coach
396 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Lionel Hitchman
470 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Ivan Hlinka
525 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Charlie Hodge
265 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ken Hodge
348 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Bobby Holik
394 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jiri Holik
260 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Flash Hollett
449 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Harry "Hap" Holmes
533 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Tomas Holmstrom
90 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jiri Holocek
167 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Red Horner
44 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tim Horton
476 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Marian Hossa
196 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Phil Housley
105 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mark Howe
3 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Gordie Howe
186 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Syd Howe
155 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Harry Howell
426 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Charlie Huddy
58 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Brett Hull
5 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Bobby Hull
403 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Dennis Hull
305 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Dale Hunter

295 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Al Iafrate
165 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jarome Iginla
376 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Punch Imlach, coach
393 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Dick Irvin Sr., coach
422 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Edward Ivanov
347 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Tommy Ivan, coach

113 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Busher Jackson
28 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Jaromir Jagr
238 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Doug Jarvis
414 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Badger Bob Johnson, coach
159 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Ching Johnson
248 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ernie "Moose" Johnson
127 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Tom Johnson
418 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Calle Johansson
466 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Tumba Johansson
84 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Aurel Joliat
530 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Kenny Jonsson
509 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Curtis Joseph
537 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Ed Jovanovski

594 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Stan Jonathan
570 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Tomas Jonsson

544 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tomas Kaberle
473 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Valeri Kamensky
191 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Paul Kariya
137 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Alexei Kasatonov
390 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Steve Kasper
34 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Valery Kharlamov
387 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Duke Keats
399 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Mike Keenan, coach
18 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Red Kelly
65 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Ted Kennedy
543 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dave Kerr
229 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Tim Kerr
118 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Dave Keon
557 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hec Kilrea
507 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Miikka Kiprusoff
352 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Joe Klukay
125 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Vladimir Konstantinov
400 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jerry "King Kong" Korab
535 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Cliff Koroll
465 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ilya Kovalchuk
193 John Flyers Fan & R Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Vladimir Krutov
51 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Jari Kurri
457 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Orland Kurtenbach

568 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mike Keane
597 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Olaf Kolzig
613 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Viktor Konovalenko
620 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Viktor Kuzkin
572 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Erich Kühnhackl

86 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Elmer Lach
140 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Pat LaFontaine
10 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Guy Lafleur
70 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Newsy Lalonde
413 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Yvon Lambert
467 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Jamie Langenbrunner
82 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Rod Langway
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Laperriere
91 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Guy Lapointe
447 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Edgar Laprade
135 John Flyers Fan & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Igor Larionov
245 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Steve Larmer
276 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Reed Larson
275 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Reggie Leach
368 John FF & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Vincent LeCavalier
312 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - John Leclair
55 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Brian Leetch
494 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Hugh Lehman
162 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Jere Lehtinen
181 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Lemaire
293 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Lemaire, coach
217 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Claude Lemieux
4 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mario Lemieux
556 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pit Lepine
339 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Tony Leswick
321 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Herbie Lewis
431 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Yuri Liapkin
19 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nicklas Lidstrom
325 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Trevor Linden
114 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Eric Lindros
30 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Ted Lindsay
343 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Linseman
284 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Ed Litzenberger
474 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Liut
436 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Ross Lonsberry
490 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Hakan Loob
271 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Kevin Lowe
246 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Don Luce
329 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Craig Ludwig
304 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Harry Lumley
442 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Roberto Luongo
269 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Vladimir Lutchenko

600 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Leo Labine
585 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Percy LeSueur
569 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pelle Lindbergh
604 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tom Lysiak

40 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Al MacInnis
388 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Fleming Mackell
280 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mickey MacKay
443 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - John MacLean
315 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Rick MacLeish
515 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Jamie Macoun
327 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Craig MacTavish
483 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - John Madden
453 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Keith Magnuson
61 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Mahovlich
242 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels -Pete Mahovlich
88 John Flyers Fan & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Sergei Makarov
554 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Dan Maloney
512 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Don Maloney
571 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Kirk Maltby
157 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Aleksandr Maltsev
170 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Sylvio Mantha
379 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Don Marcotte
345 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Don Marshal
561 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Marshall
603 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pit Martin
195 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Richard Martin
548 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Dennis Maruk
532 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bucko McDonald
261 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Brad McCrimmon
143 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Lanny McDonald
540 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Frank Mcgee
536 John Flyers Fan & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Randy McKay
524 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Don McKenney
526 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Kirk McLean
468 VanIslander - New York Raiders - John "Pie" McKenzie
558 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Mcphee
589 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Marty McSorley
542 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Scott Mellanby
608 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Merrick
12 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Mark Messier
384 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Nick Metz
237 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Rick Middleton
20 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Stan Mikita
71 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Joe Malone
95 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Boris Mikhailov
177 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Doug "Diesel" Mohns
145 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Mike Modano
324 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Alexander Mogilny
441 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Andy Moog
62 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Dickie Moore
23 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Howie Morenz
582 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bernie Morris
257 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ken Morrow
235 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Gus Mortson
485 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ken Mosdell
233 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Bill Mosienko
244 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Joe Mullen
313 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Kirk Muller
136 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Larry Murphy
623 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Murphy
435 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Troy Murray


580 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ken Hitchcock, coach

576 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Shane Doan
587 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Allan "Scotty" Davidson




194 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Markus Naslund
344 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mats Naslund
160 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Vaclav Nedomansky
102 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Cam Neely
446 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jim Neilson
581 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Roger Neilson, coach
508 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Eric Nesterenko
392 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Nevin
355 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bernie Nicholls
57 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Scott Niedermayer
188 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Joe Nieuwendyk
150 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Frank Nighbor
322 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Kent Nilsson
458 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Ulf Nilsson
316 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Reg Noble
367 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Owen Nolan
519 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Ted Nolan, coach
559 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Mattias Norström
451 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Baldy Northcott
354 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Teppo Numminen
273 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Bobby Nystrom
291 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Buddy O'Connor
300 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Terry O'Reilly
128 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Adam Oates
168 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bert Olmstead
1 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Orr
593 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Chris Osgood
243 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Joel Otto
356 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Alexander Ovechkin
409 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Murray Oliver
481 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Sandis Ozolinsh

433 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Wilf Paiement
50 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Bernie Parent
371 VanIslander - New York Raiders - J. P. "Jeep" Parise
39 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Brad Park
505 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Patrick
493 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - James Patrick
456 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Lester Patrick
365 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Lester Patrick, coach
175 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Marty Pavelich
308 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Mike Peca
538 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Jim Peplinski
417 J Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Stefan Persson
77 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Gilbert Perreault
178 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Vladimir Petrov
335 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Tom Phillips
47 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Pierre Pilote
254 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Didier Pitre
309 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Barclay Plager
13 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Plante
230 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Frantisek Pospisil
14 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Denis Potvin
372 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dave Poulin
134 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Walter "Babe" Pratt
323 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Dean Prentice
187 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Joe Primeau
382 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Keith Primeau
549 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Bob Probert
56 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Chris Pronger
472 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Jean Pronovost
109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Pronovost
176 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Brian Propp
172 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Claude Provost
287 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bob Pulford
475 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harvey Pulford


560 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Jay Pandolfo
577 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jim Pappin
599 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Willi Plett



107 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bill Quackenbush
609 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Pat Quinn, coach

184 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Alexander Ragulin
294 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Rob Ramage
201 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Craig Ramsay
330 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Mike Ramsey
492 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Bill Ranford
154 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jean Ratelle
272 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Chuck Rayner
119 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Reardon
256 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Mark Recchi
497 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Paul Reinhart
419 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Leo Reise Jr.
63 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Henri Richard
6 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Maurice Richard
297 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Richter
438 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Doug Risebrough
427 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Rene Robert
241 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gary Roberts
24 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Larry Robinson
311 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jeremy Roenick
141 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Luc Robitaille
440 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Al Rollins
553 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Brian Rolston
164 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Art Ross
350 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Rousseau
15 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Patrick Roy
486 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Lindy Ruff, coach
404 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Reijo Ruotsalainen
541 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Phil Russell

592 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Brad Richards
598 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Mike Ricci
612 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ken Randall
579 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - John Ross Roach
610 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Jimmy Roberts
565 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Art Ross, coach

36 La pierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Joe Sakic
73 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Borge Salming
267 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Ulf Samuelsson
361 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Derek Sanderson
407 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Tomas Sandstrom
398 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Glen Sather, coach
189 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Denis Savard
85 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Serge Savard
21 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Terry Sawchuk
37 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Milt Schmidt
550 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Bobby Schmautz
334 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jim Schoenfeld
173 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - David "Sweeney" Schriner
484 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Al Secord
52 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Earl Seibert
132 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Teemu Selanne
547 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Eddie Shack
377 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladimir Shadrin
100 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Brendan Shanahan
358 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Fred Shero, coach
7 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Eddie Shore
146 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Steve Shutt
171 nik jr & Agent DC - Seattle Thunderbirds - Albert "Babe" Siebert
520 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Harry Sinden, coach
406 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Charlie Simmer
129 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darryl Sittler
401 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Lars-Erik Sjoberg
522 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Brian Skrudland
383 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Tod Sloan
49 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Billy Smith
252 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Bobby Smith
514 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Dallas Smith
211 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Hooley Smith
450 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Normie Smith
341 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Alf Smith
289 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Sid Smith
370 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Steve Smith
381 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Stan Smyl
411 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Ryan Smyth
207 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Nikolai Sologubov
444 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dollard St. Laurent
359 John Flyers F & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Martin St. Louis
511 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ron Stackhouse
513 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Fred Stanfield
158 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Allan Stanley
459 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Wally Stanowski
182 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pat Stapleton
302 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Vyacheslav Starshinov
87 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Peter Stastny
225 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Kevin Stevens
35 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Scott Stevens
496 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Gaye Stewart
83 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Jack "Blackjack" Stewart
94 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nels Stewart
227 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Hod Stuart
226 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Jan Suchy
152 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Sundin
185 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gary Suter
219 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Brent Sutter
250 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Brian Sutter
445 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Duane Sutter
502 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ron Sutter
306 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Lennart Svedberg
523 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Robert Svehla
434 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Petr Svoboda

588 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Mathieu Schneider
622 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Rod Seiling
611 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Dave Semenko
567 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Gregg Sheppard
606 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Craig Simpson
621 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bullet Joe Simpson
564 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glen Skov
607 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Thomas Steen
615 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Bruce Stuart

268 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean-Guy Talbot
487 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Anatoly Tarasov, coach
326 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Dave Taylor
80 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Fred "Cyclone" Taylor
430 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Steve "Stumpy" Thomas
111 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Cecil "Tiny" Thompson
274 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Paul Thompson
208 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jimmy Thomson
277 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Joe Thornton
179 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Esa Tikkanen
405 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Mark Tinordi
353 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Keith Tkachuk
301 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Walt Tkaczuk
210 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Rick Tocchet
198 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - John Tonelli
469 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Jerry Toppazzini
415 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Ivan Tregubov
148 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - J.C. Tremblay
477 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gilles Tremblay
423 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Mario Tremblay
68 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Vladislav Tretiak
33 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Trottier
527 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Gennady Tsygankov
574 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pierre Turgeon
455 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ian Turnbull

139 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Norm Ullman
528 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Garry Unger

296 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Rogie Vachon
437 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Carol Vadnais
320 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Rick Vaive
471 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - John Vanbiesbrouck
429 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ed Van Impe
97 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Valeri Vasiliev
255 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Elmer 'Moose' Vasko
314 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Pat Verbeek
432 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Vernon
263 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Georges Vezina
595 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Steve Vickers

281 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Walker
539 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ryan Walter
478 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harry Watson
374 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Jimmy Charles Watson
331 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Phil Watson
566 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Doug Weight
421 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cooney Weiland
337 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Cy Wentworth
601 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Glen Wesley
222 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ed Westfall
386 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Wharram
166 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Bill White
573 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tiger Williams
380 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Behn Wilson
149 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Doug Wilson
130 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Lorne "Gump" Worsley
563 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Roy ''Schrimp'' Worters




234 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Alexander Yakushev
583 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Scott Young
26 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Steve Yzerman

163 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Sergei Zubov



Last pick entered
623 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Murphy



People have to stop missing your picks

check the draft when u wake up
at lunch
at dinner and 2 times b4 u go to bed

it takes just 2 minutes to see if your up.

and when you know you cant make it send a list of 2 players to someone like bm67 myself gbc vanislander or whoever you trust

ck26
10-17-2007, 10:16 AM
I'm for leaving the time limit -- I sleep for gods sake and sometimes I don't check the computer before I go -- I should not be penalized because I want a normal schedule, not checking hfboards at 3:37 AM to see if I need to make my pick.

I also go out, sometimes spontaneously, and sorry guys but I refuse to manage my life around a pretend draft with scores of dead hockey players to be decided by debate.At this point, player judgements are varied enough that missing a pick by 3 or 4 slots won't make too big a difference anyway.

MXD
10-17-2007, 11:05 AM
Halifax RCAF is pleased to select a rough-and-tumble agitator to centre our fourth line. He won four Stanley Cups with the Montreal Canadiens in the late 70s, playing a solid two-way game while getting under the opposition's skin. He topped 40 points six times. However, he will not be consulted for any personel decisions. Solid two-way grinder, terrible GM. The pivot for Montreal's kid line:

C Doug Risebrough

Totally agree withy you on this point... Kindof the winner for the Phil Watson Award in '90/'00.

God Bless Canada
10-17-2007, 11:23 AM
Totally agree withy you on this point... Kindof the winner for the Phil Watson Award in '90/'00.
Riser has actually been pretty good as Minnesota's GM. Hired the right coach in Lemaire. Made some good free agent signings. Made some good trades. But when people hear the "GM Doug Risebrough" tag, they automatically think of the largest trade in NHL history, which also proved to be one of the biggest fleecings.

God Bless Canada
10-17-2007, 11:27 AM
Happy birthday to the champ. pitseleh is 22 today. (I'm still the only one who can say I've beat you in the playoffs).

Rick Middleton
10-17-2007, 11:37 AM
VanI, do you have shawnmullins' pick?

Nalyd Psycho
10-17-2007, 02:11 PM
Riser has actually been pretty good as Minnesota's GM. Hired the right coach in Lemaire. Made some good free agent signings. Made some good trades. But when people hear the "GM Doug Risebrough" tag, they automatically think of the largest trade in NHL history, which also proved to be one of the biggest fleecings.

He hired the right coach and drafted the right player, since then, he's milked the two of them for all their worth only making an effort to get talent if they threaten to leave.

shawnmullin
10-17-2007, 02:20 PM
The Victoria Cougars select a man whose two-way play helped one of the greatest dynasties in sports history. He had lots of skill, but when playing on the powerhouse Canadiens he adapted his game to make sure he could find an important role on the great team. Welcome to Victoria RW Floyd Curry

From LEGENDS OF HOCKEY (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=12391)

Curry, known as a defensive specialist, played on some powerhouse Canadiens' teams, which included the likes of Maurice Richard, Doug Harvey, Bernie Geoffrion, Jean Beliveau, and Jacques Plante in goal. "When I first came out of junior hockey, I was known as a scorer," Curry noted. "But when I arrived in Montreal I knew right away I could not compete with the likes of some of the stars they had there, so I made a conscious effort to change my game to a defensive style." It was that intelligent decision which kept him on the Canadiens' roster for ten years, and earned him four Stanley Cup rings.

EagleBelfour
10-17-2007, 02:21 PM
RW Floyd Curry

Great selection!

shawnmullin
10-17-2007, 02:24 PM
I'm OK with 6 hours only because at this point the player you want may not go for another 100 picks or more.

Incidently my pick was delayed because I waited around all night to make it and fell asleep before anyone said they'd take my list :)

pappyline
10-17-2007, 02:36 PM
Biltmores select G Al Rollins

Won a Vezina, a Hart & backstopped a Stanley Cup winner. Will back up anotrher hart winner in Charlie Rayner.

EagleBelfour
10-17-2007, 03:04 PM
Biltmores select G Al Rollins

Won a Vezina, a Hart & backstopped a Stanley Cup winner. Will back up anotrher hart winner in Charlie Rayner.

MXD won't be too happy about this one :). Which mean nice selection! Best backup available.

shawnmullin
10-17-2007, 03:06 PM
Very strong back up Pappy

EagleBelfour
10-17-2007, 04:02 PM
Some might be interrested to see this site:

http://www.hdhockey.tv/

A lot of vintage games, form the 1950's and more. Never saw that much hockey DVD'S for sale. Even saw a 2 hours DVD on Aaron Downey!

VanIslander
10-17-2007, 04:11 PM
I'll probably be in for the minor league draft, but my suggestion would be to wait until after our ATD champion is crowned.
The plan was to start it when then the conference final rounds begin, as commenting on two series doesn't interfere with the minor league draft and visa versa. It would be too much to try and get it going during the opening rounds of course.

VanI had some good ideas for it (and one really half-baked idea).
:scared:

Evil Sather
10-17-2007, 04:17 PM
With Billy Smith in net, the playoff duties are well in hand; however, the Rangers, needing a strong regular season goalie the share the load take a man with a man with 372 regular season wins and only 209 losses, G Andy Moog.

reckoning
10-17-2007, 04:36 PM
In a move that I'm sure will be mocked and ridiculed by everyone here, the Ottawa 67s select:


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup2007/images/cpgfx/processed/luongo-roberto-392.jpg
Roberto Luongo

MXD
10-17-2007, 04:37 PM
In a move that I'm sure will be mocked and ridiculed by everyone here, the Ottawa 67s select:


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup2007/images/cpgfx/processed/luongo-roberto-392.jpg
Roberto Luongo

Well.... Once Rollins and Vernon were gone, he topped my list. Seriously.

MXD
10-17-2007, 04:38 PM
Some might be interrested to see this site:

http://www.hdhockey.tv/

A lot of vintage games, form the 1950's and more. Never saw that much hockey DVD'S for sale. Even saw a 2 hours DVD on Aaron Downey!

Probably a 30-minute replay of that punch on Jesse Boulerice...

God Bless Canada
10-17-2007, 04:48 PM
Well.... Once Rollins and Vernon were gone, he topped my list. Seriously.
I'm glad that Moog went before Luongo. Moog's one of the best back-ups in this draft. When picking a back-up, you're not only looking for a high quality goalie, but a guy who can handle being the back-up. (There are a couple goalies in this draft who rate in that 30-35 range, but would I want them as a back-up? No. Too much of a distraction).

Luongo has shown on the international stage that he's fine as a back-up. There's still a couple goalies I would pick ahead of him, but he's had five or six seasons where he's been one of the top 10 goalies in the league, and three or four where he was in the top five. And now he has a great playoff on his resume. There were years in which Florida would have likely had 10-15 wins if not for Luongo. They were that bad.

ck26
10-17-2007, 04:55 PM
Pleasantly suprised this guy is still here. He had success in the OHL and success in the NHL. A great two-way player who went to a couple of all-star games and had three 40-goal seasons. Good size. A TON of Devils franchise records.

The pride of Oshawa, Ontario: John MacLean

http://www.toxicshock.tv/news/wp-content/uploads/live_free_or_die_hard.jpg

reckoning
10-17-2007, 04:59 PM
When picking a back-up, you're not only looking for a high quality goalie, but a guy who can handle being the back-up. (There are a couple goalies in this draft who rate in that 30-35 range, but would I want them as a back-up? No. Too much of a distraction).

Luongo has shown on the international stage that he's fine as a back-up.

Precisely why I took Luongo instead of a couple other particular goalies who have longer resumes. Some guys can be a #1 but their ego would prevent them from being solid backup.

Before anybody says that he's only won one playoff series, that's the same number Chuck Rayner won. It's a team sport and one player can only do so much. IMO Luongo deserved the Vezina in both `04 and `07.

ck26
10-17-2007, 05:21 PM
Some guys can be a #1 but their ego would prevent them from being solid backup.I don't think I understand the reasoning here. There are three players on the team I want to be ego-maniacs -- the 1st line scorer and the two goaltenders. Defensemen have to play as a unit, but goaltenders are kinda back there on their own. There should be a rivalry between the two, because backups shouldn't be content as backups.

You want skaters to "know their role" and do what the team needs ... but every goaltender has the exact same role (you don't need to balance Gretzkys with Carbonneaus), and, with the exceptions of a few lockerroom guys, all goaltenders are either "helpful" (ie: in the game) or "useless" (ie: not in the game). There are no 4th-line, role-playing goaltenders. As long as Luongo isn't stealing the starter's glove and hiding it in the sauna, there should be a rivalry and there SHOULD be competitiveness.

Evil Speaker
10-17-2007, 05:33 PM
D Dollard St. Laurent Was known as a superb defensive player, who also had an offensive touch. I believe he's the only defenseman remaining that placed in the top 4 in playoff scoring five times. (1,3,3,3,4)

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-17-2007, 05:33 PM
Happy birthday to the champ. pitseleh is 22 today. (I'm still the only one who can say I've beat you in the playoffs).

He's only 22 and already won an ATD?

Enh, flash in the pan. :sarcasm:

vancityluongo
10-17-2007, 05:45 PM
In a move that I'm sure will be mocked and ridiculed by everyone here, the Ottawa 67s select:


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup2007/images/cpgfx/processed/luongo-roberto-392.jpg
Roberto Luongo

**** YOU!!!!

VanIslander
10-17-2007, 05:46 PM
bah

vancityluongo
10-17-2007, 05:48 PM
Okay, as I think some of you may have guessed, Luongo was my boy. But anyways, pick comin within the hour...

shawnmullin
10-17-2007, 05:48 PM
Luongo? Bah what's he won, like one playoff series? :sarcasm:

God Bless Canada
10-17-2007, 05:49 PM
Pleasantly suprised this guy is still here. He had success in the OHL and success in the NHL. A great two-way player who went to a couple of all-star games and had three 40-goal seasons. Good size. A TON of Devils franchise records.

The pride of Oshawa, Ontario: John MacLean

http://www.toxicshock.tv/news/wp-content/uploads/live_free_or_die_hard.jpg
Nice pick, ck. Terrific for the fourth line. He was the highest-rated forward on our list after Riser. MacLean has a very good scorer's touch, lots of grit and excellent defensive awareness. Good character and leadership, too. One of the best fourth line wingers in the draft, and good enough defensively to slot him in with Carbo.

EagleBelfour
10-17-2007, 05:49 PM
I'm for dropping the time limit to 6 hours.

vancityluongo
10-17-2007, 05:54 PM
Ooh, our next guy is still here! Winnipeg selects defensive winger Duane Sutter.

vancityluongo
10-17-2007, 05:56 PM
Oh yeah, Happy Birthday pit! Have a good one sir.

nik jr
10-17-2007, 06:13 PM
wanted john maclean, but...

seattle selects very underrated D jim neilson.

neilson, an anchor of the 60s rangers blueline, was among the league leaders in TOI in the late 60s. known for his solid defense and bodychecking while playing a clean game. he was very capable offensively, seeing big minutes on the rangers PP.
he started his career under the tutelage of doug harvey and later mentored the young brad park.
2nd all star in '68. played in all star game in '67 and '71.
twice in the top 5 in norris voting. ('68 and '70)

happy birthday pitseleh! :hbday:

God Bless Canada
10-17-2007, 06:26 PM
Did Nalyd send a list before going to work? Or did Sturm send a list before calling it a night?

pitseleh
10-17-2007, 06:43 PM
Thanks for the birthday wishes guys. All I'm asking for is a pick tonight. :D

It sucks having a birthday that always comes up in the middle of midterms.

VanIslander
10-17-2007, 06:43 PM
447 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals ON THE CLOCK

448 VanIslander - New York Raiders - sooooo close yet sooooo far :cry: see you in 9 hours
449 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
450 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals

Hockey Outsider
10-17-2007, 07:42 PM
Happy birthday, Pitseleh. Hopefully (for the sake of my team) you do some drunk drafting tonight.

To respond to Sturminator (from the Part III thread): according to my research, Hooley Smith played all three forward positions (and, in order of preference, it would be C-RW-LW). However, I've actually moved him to RW on the second line. I think this gives me great scoring balance and two-way play on my second line, and some size, toughness and sheer goal-scoring ability on the top line.

Although both of Smith's all-star seasons were at centre, he only played RW (on Nels Stewart's line) prior to 1931 when they didn't have AS teams. As a RW, Smith had one season as a Hart finalist and 2 seasons in the top ten in scoring.

EagleBelfour
10-17-2007, 07:48 PM
IMO, your team look much better in this configuration.

Evil Speaker
10-17-2007, 08:13 PM
wanted john maclean, but...

seattle selects very underrated D jim neilson.

neilson, an anchor of the 60s rangers blueline, was among the league leaders in TOI in the late 60s. known for his solid defense and bodychecking while playing a clean game. he was very capable offensively, seeing big minutes on the rangers PP.
he started his career under the tutelage of doug harvey and later mentored the young brad park.
2nd all star in '68. played in all star game in '67 and '71.
twice in the top 5 in norris voting. ('68 and '70)


This is a fine pick. I was debating between Neilson and St. Laurent with my last pick. I decided to go with St. Laurent because of his great two-way play in the playoffs along side Geoffrion and Harvey when they won all those cups. I also think St. laurent is a better defensive player. Still there is little difference between the two.
I think Neilson is better than a few defenseman drafted before him.

reckoning
10-17-2007, 08:36 PM
I don't think I understand the reasoning here. There are three players on the team I want to be ego-maniacs -- the 1st line scorer and the two goaltenders. Defensemen have to play as a unit, but goaltenders are kinda back there on their own. There should be a rivalry between the two, because backups shouldn't be content as backups.

You want skaters to "know their role" and do what the team needs ... but every goaltender has the exact same role (you don't need to balance Gretzkys with Carbonneaus), and, with the exceptions of a few lockerroom guys, all goaltenders are either "helpful" (ie: in the game) or "useless" (ie: not in the game). There are no 4th-line, role-playing goaltenders. As long as Luongo isn't stealing the starter's glove and hiding it in the sauna, there should be a rivalry and there SHOULD be competitiveness.

In theory that should be the case, but in reality there are some goalies who seem to only perform well if they are the designated #1 (Don Cherry made that comment about Gerber recently). I don't want a backup who's content with being a backup, but at the same time I don't want a player who will sulk if he's not the starter. The backups role goes beyond just playing when the starter needs a rest. He should be watching the game intently and be giving the starter advice during the intermissions on what the other team is doing. Some guys are just simply not team players, which is forgivable if you're a star, but bad if you're a supporting part.

nik jr
10-17-2007, 08:38 PM
This is a fine pick. I was debating between Neilson and St. Laurent with my last pick. I decided to go with St. Laurent because of his great two-way play in the playoffs along side Geoffrion and Harvey when they won all those cups. I also think St. Laurent is a better defensive player. Still there is little difference between the two.
I think Neilson is better than a few defenseman drafted before him.

thanks. decided to pick him after i read on pelletier's website that he was a good skater with offensive ability.

vancityluongo
10-17-2007, 08:50 PM
In theory that should be the case, but in reality there are some goalies who seem to only perform well if they are the designated #1 (Don Cherry made that comment about Gerber recently). I don't want a backup who's content with being a backup, but at the same time I don't want a player who will sulk if he's not the starter. The backups role goes beyond just playing when the starter needs a rest. He should be watching the game intently and be giving the starter advice during the intermissions on what the other team is doing. Some guys are just simply not team players, which is forgivable if you're a star, but bad if you're a supporting part.

Exactly. You don't want someone like Danny Sabourin who seemed happy to sit and watch Luongo make saves. A guy like Luongo is awesome to have as a backup, IMHO, because he is extremely talented, (not nearly good enough to play as a starting goalie in a ATD) but he also has a good attitude. I may be a huge homer, but if this draft were real, I'm sure Rob Luongo would compete as hard as he does every game, as a backup, or starter.

MXD
10-17-2007, 08:54 PM
Exactly. You don't want someone like Danny Sabourin who seemed happy to sit and watch Luongo make saves. A guy like Luongo is awesome to have as a backup, IMHO, because he is extremely talented, (not nearly good enough to play as a starting goalie in a ATD) but he also has a good attitude. I may be a huge homer, but if this draft were real, I'm sure Rob Luongo would compete as hard as he does every game, as a backup, or starter.

It's not that Luongo isn't talented enough. He just doesn't have the career or the accomplishments so far to surpass, say, Frank Brimsek.

VanIslander
10-17-2007, 08:58 PM
regarding the triad of skill versus peak versus career he is lacking in at least two categories compared to many goalies left undrafted

and if one steps out of one's own time and looks at it in an all-time context, there are (apparently anyways) equally skilled goalies that have had greater peaks and better careers

vancityluongo
10-17-2007, 08:59 PM
It's not that Luongo isn't talented enough. He just doesn't have the career or the accomplishments so far to surpass, say, Frank Brimsek.

Yeah, "good" wasn't the right word there. "Accomplished" would have sounded better.

BlueBleeder
10-17-2007, 10:49 PM
I had MacLean pegged for my 4th line. :rant:

ck26
10-17-2007, 10:55 PM
I had MacLean pegged for my 4th line. :rant:I judge the value of my picks based on how many :rant: I get.

:rant:

VanIslander
10-17-2007, 10:58 PM
In that case, I forgot to say...

33 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Trottier
34
35 VanIslander - New York Raiders
:rant::rant::rant: friggin' :rant::rant::rant: frackin' :rant::rant::rant: fruckin' :rant::rant::rant:

shawnmullin
10-17-2007, 11:18 PM
I can't think of too many picks this draft where I didn't get the guy I wanted. I mean there were some guys I'd love to have, but most of the time I was counting on them not slipping.

VanIslander
10-17-2007, 11:22 PM
I can't think of too many picks this draft where I didn't get the guy I wanted. I mean there were some guys I'd love to have, but most of the time I was counting on them not slipping.
it helps to have lists :D ....

but still, when a guy you thought would have gone a round or two sooner actually is about to slip to you, and then is snatched up just before you... :frank:

VanIslander
10-17-2007, 11:29 PM
I've waited over 5 hours, could wait at most an hour more but we're on a 9 hour clock (until the end of this round?) so I'll just go now.

Left a player name with BM67, who picks just after me anyways.

See you guys on the other side. G'day.

vancityluongo
10-17-2007, 11:30 PM
it helps to have lists :D ....

but still, when a guy you thought would have gone a round or two sooner actually is about to slip to you, and then is snatched up just before you... :frank:

*cough* PARISE *cough*

:)

pitseleh
10-17-2007, 11:34 PM
Let's start taking bets - do we finish this thread or this round first?

ck26
10-17-2007, 11:40 PM
In that case, I forgot to say...


:rant::rant::rant: friggin' :rant::rant::rant: frackin' :rant::rant::rant: fruckin' :rant::rant::rant:I knew Flin Flon wasn't going to start Clarke-Trottier and I was fairly confident St Louis wasn't going to start Yzerman-Trottier, so when Winnipeg took Jagr (awful pick IMO) instead of Lindsay, I realized that (at the very least) I was going to get Trottier. My exact words were, "wow ... that just happened."

God Bless Canada
10-17-2007, 11:40 PM
I can't think of too many picks this draft where I didn't get the guy I wanted. I mean there were some guys I'd love to have, but most of the time I was counting on them not slipping.
Agreed. We actually had Max Bentley at No. 2 on our list in the second round. raleh and I were shocked when he fell to the third round. We had Neely at the top of our list for the fourth. Not necessarily because we thought he was the best player available, but we knew that other guys we had our eyes on, such as Gadsby, wouldn't be available at pick 102. So there is that element of compiling a list. We also went with certain roles (two-way line wingers, crease clearing defencemen) earlier than other GMs.

At this point in the draft, don't say "there's no way that Player X will be available when I pick." Because he likely will be there. Since I picked this morning, there have been two players picked who was on my list for Round 17: MacLean and St. Laurent.

Evil Sather
10-17-2007, 11:55 PM
I knew Flin Flon wasn't going to start Clarke-Trottier and I was fairly confident St Louis wasn't going to start Yzerman-Trottier, so when Winnipeg took Jagr (awful pick IMO) instead of Lindsay, I realized that (at the very least) I was going to get Trottier. My exact words were, "wow ... that just happened."

I fail to see how Jagr is an awful pick in the 30s.

God Bless Canada
10-18-2007, 12:01 AM
I fail to see how Jagr is an awful pick in the 30s.
Well, when Terrible Ted Lindsay is still out there, that might have something to do with it. I'd never pass on Lindsay to take Jagr. But I'd never pass on Lindsay to take Yzerman, Lidstrom, any goalie who's out there, or some of the other guys taken ahead of Lindsay.

Lindsay was probably the BPA for about 10 picks. And when you consider his position, well-rounded game and leadership, he should go a lot earlier than 30.

And for the record, Jagr went No. 29. Or 28. Whichever was listed first.

Roger's Pancreas*
10-18-2007, 12:07 AM
I knew Flin Flon wasn't going to start Clarke-Trottier and I was fairly confident St Louis wasn't going to start Yzerman-Trottier, so when Winnipeg took Jagr (awful pick IMO) instead of Lindsay, I realized that (at the very least) I was going to get Trottier. My exact words were, "wow ... that just happened."You have no idea how hard I tried to get in there, and steal him away. I must have organized five trades only to have each and every one of them fall through.

Sturminator
10-18-2007, 01:23 AM
The Oakland Seals are very pleased to select center Edgar Laprade.

Sorry this one took so long, boys. I didn't get a chance to check in last night (my time) because of an unpleasant work schedule and I guess Nalyd was busy, as well. I was sweating that Laprade might go off the board before our pick came up, but seeing him still there is a nice way to start the morning.

On Laprade:

- well, first and foremost, we drafted Laprade because the Seals are a team without a lot of good nicknames and we feel that "Beaver" is truly an elite nickname in this format. Given the questionable popularity of the Seal mascot with Bay Area fans (recently, even the San Francisco Giants have trotted out a much-maligned seal mascot that looks more like a mutant squirrel than any kind of aquatic mammal - though it is more popular than the infamous crab, which was regularly the target of unwanted food and beverages), we may consider changing the team name to the Oakland Beavers. We think it might help with merchandizing, especially among younger fans.

- anyway, Laprade was also a pretty good hockey player, and we think he's the perfect fit to center an Oakland 3rd line which is built around speed and 2-way play. The Beaver is described as:

A tremendous playmaking center and smooth skater, Edgar Laprade was one of the NHL's best forwards during the late 1940s. Blessed with exceptional lateral mobility and an effortless skating style, he was a brilliant penalty killer and determined checker. Laprade could also score and was one of the league's most dangerous skaters on the counterattack.

and...

One of the best stickhandlers in Rangers history, Laprade's greatest moments came during the 1950 playoffs, when he was part of a team that went all the way to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals before falling to Detroit. He was named the Rangers' MVP for that remarkable season.

In spite of how putrid the Rangers were for most of Laprade's time in New York, the Beaver was often recognized by the league for his outstanding play, and was elected to play in four consecutive all-star games, from 1947 to 1950. In spite of playing with wingers who no one would recognize, Laprade set up a lot of scoring plays, peaking at third among the NHL's assist leaders in 1948. In spite of his checking prowess, the Beaver was very rarely penalized, totaling 42 penalty minutes in 500 career NHL games. Although it's certainly not why we drafted Laprade, it should also be noted that he had a very successful senior league career before coming to New York, twice winning the Gerry trophy as league MVP while playing in Port Arthur, and served his country for two of what would have been his prime years (the Rangers and Habs were pursuing him as early as 1938) during the second world war.

- Laprade also continues our mini-theme of drafting great forwards from lousy teams. Interestingly enough, the Beaver retired after Andy Bathgate's first full season in New York.

- Laprade is maybe, kinda, sorta the first Francophone player on the Seals roster, though as the Rangers won his rights in the late 30's, maybe not.

BM has been PMed. Heh...I made a rhyme.

*edit: whoops, VanI has been PMed. Didn't see that the pick had been traded.*

Sturminator
10-18-2007, 02:18 AM
As far as the Jagr pick is concerned, it all depends on what you're looking for. I think Jagr is almost certainly more explosive offensively than Lindsay. Terrible Ted was a great offensive player, but what makes him so valuable is his all-around game. Jagr is a guy who can break the game open at any moment, against any defenseman at any spot in the attacking zone. His size/speed/skill combination is unreal.

Depending on the kind of offense you're trying to run and what other players you have or intend to put on the 1st line, I can definitely see Jagr going ahead of Lindsay. Not every player on a team/line needs to be a leader or a gritty 2-way guy. If you need offense first and foremost and already have the other bits covered (not to mention the RW/LW difference) taking Jagr over Lindsay makes perfect sense.

Also, I would note that the "left wing scarcity" assumption is mostly false. There is a smaller truly elite tier at left wing than at any other position, but the field fattens up nicely into a middle-tier of very attractive scoringline players in rounds six and seven, at about the same time the high-end tier of right wings begins to dry up. After the 11-deep tier of elite talent at right wing (Bathgate is generally the last player taken from this group in my opinion, though arguments can be made that Makarov and Mikhailov are at least close), I actually think the left wings are better.

Nalyd Psycho
10-18-2007, 02:37 AM
Sorry for not PMing picks, I didn't realize how close we were when I left for work.

Glad we got our man in Laprade though. He may be the worst NHL forward in the HHoF, but, at 447 overall, he's a stellar pick and the perfect final player for our 3rd line.

On that note, the Oakland Seals official declare the line of Holik-Laprade-Phillips the Counter-Attack Line. Their job is to go against offense first, defense last lines and skate the opponent off their feet. Combining the defensive skills to shut down scoring lines with the offensive skills to make defensively ineffective units suffer, this should be a very effective and speedy line.

I don't think I understand the reasoning here. There are three players on the team I want to be ego-maniacs -- the 1st line scorer and the two goaltenders. Defensemen have to play as a unit, but goaltenders are kinda back there on their own. There should be a rivalry between the two, because backups shouldn't be content as backups.

You want skaters to "know their role" and do what the team needs ... but every goaltender has the exact same role (you don't need to balance Gretzkys with Carbonneaus), and, with the exceptions of a few lockerroom guys, all goaltenders are either "helpful" (ie: in the game) or "useless" (ie: not in the game). There are no 4th-line, role-playing goaltenders. As long as Luongo isn't stealing the starter's glove and hiding it in the sauna, there should be a rivalry and there SHOULD be competitiveness.

To me, the starting goalie is the only player where it's OK to have a poor attitude, for the reasons stated. Your star scorer is the most important player to have a team first attitude. Trickle down effect. If you have Gretzky or Beliveau or someone of that ilk than all other players will have a self imposed pressure to fall in line. No one in St. Louis is going to be thinking, I'm more important than Yzerman, so I'll go hotdogging.

After that it's about reasonable allowance, not everyone needs to be a saint, but you want to avoid cliques of negative influence.

And that final quote is exactly why Belfour should never be used as a back-up...

As for Lindsay, I still think Hall slipping is a way bigger shocker. IMO the big 5 goalies are pretty much the BPAs from pick 10 until the last one is taken.

Sturminator
10-18-2007, 03:05 AM
As for Lindsay, I still think Hall slipping is a way bigger shocker. IMO the big 5 goalies are pretty much the BPAs from pick 10 until the last one is taken.

Just out of curiosity (not that it mattered this time around) Nalyd, which one of Plante, Roy, Sawchuk, Hasek, Dryden & Hall do you not consider among the "big 5"?

I agree with you that Hall going at #31 was very nice value, although there seems to be a lot of disagreement among the GMs in the draft about the importance of the goalie and the difference in value between goalies.

Nalyd Psycho
10-18-2007, 03:10 AM
Just out of curiosity (not that it mattered this time around) Nalyd, which one of Plante, Roy, Sawchuk, Hasek, Dryden & Hall do you not consider among the "big 5"?


I drop Dryden. While Montreal struggled without him, it's impossible to deny the quality of the teams in front of him. He was never in a situation that would be a real challenge. Plus, his career is so short.


- well, first and foremost, we drafted Laprade because the Seals are a team without a lot of good nicknames and we feel that "Beaver" is truly an elite nickname in this format. Given the questionable popularity of the Seal mascot with Bay Area fans (recently, even the San Francisco Giants have trotted out a much-maligned seal mascot that looks more like a mutant squirrel than any kind of aquatic mammal - though it is more popular than the infamous crab, which was regularly the target of unwanted food and beverages), we may consider changing the team name to the Oakland Beavers. We think it might help with merchandizing, especially among younger fans.


The name change is conditional on Primus recording "Oakland's Big Brown Beavers" for the team to use when players are taking the ice.

Sturminator
10-18-2007, 03:51 AM
The name change is conditional on Primus recording "Oakland's Big Brown Beavers" for the team to use when players are taking the ice.

I like it, I like it. We'll have to get our PR people on that right away.

We can also play OPP during the Oakland Power Play and Mama Said Knock You Out whenever Red Horner gets in a fight. Don't call it a comeback. Too bad we don't have Jeremy Roenick and his sweet dance moves. I'd like to incorporate I am the Walrus into the playlist, as well, though I'm not really sure where it would be appropriate. Maybe after Holocek makes a great save? Haven't come up with a good goal song yet, though if we want to use some local Oakland talent, we could certainly do a lot worse than Baby Got Back. There will be no MC Hammer songs at Seals games, so don't even go there, girlfriend.

Nalyd Psycho
10-18-2007, 04:26 AM
There will be no MC Hammer songs at Seals games, so don't even go there, girlfriend.

Even when the opposition goes 2 minutes without touching the puck due to the crazy puck cycling skills of Gretzky-Bathgate-Clancy?

Rick Middleton
10-18-2007, 05:26 AM
448 VanIslander - New York Raiders (on the clock)

Round #17
449 BM67 - New Jersey Devils (on-deck circle)
450 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals (in the hole)

VanIslander
10-18-2007, 05:31 AM
New York Raiders head coach Shero is pleased to have a word in the selection of a linemate for Brind'amour and Luce in a 6'2 195 lbs two-way force, tough through his career with 2000+ PIM and a sniper of a shot with 355 goals in 1018 NHL games:

http://www.logoserver.com/hockey/NewYorkRaiders.GIF

Mike Foligno

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/buffalo/FolignoBuf.JPG

...a hard-nosed right-winger with a heavy shot and an above average scoring touch... considered a positive influence on team chemistry wherever he played.... The enthusiastic youngster scored 36 goals in 1979-80 and finished runner-up to Ray Bourque in the Calder trophy voting.... spent the prime of his career with the Sabres where he added a strong defensive game to his offensive prowess under coach Scotty Bowman... an inspirational leader and scored a key overtime goal during game five of the first round playoff victory over the Detroit Red Wings. Foligno helped the Leafs come within one game of reaching the Stanley Cup finals
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=10488

BM67
10-18-2007, 07:34 AM
The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select a winner who played in seven Stanley Cup finals and won the trophy four times with four different teams from four seperate leagues, including the first American winner, the first NHL winner, and the last non-NHL winner

Harry "Hap" Holmes (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p197203&type=Player&page=bio&list=#photo)

One of the preeminent netminders of his era, Harry "Hap" Holmes excelled in all five of the top pro leagues from 1912 to 1928. He made an impact in the National Hockey Association, Pacific Coast Hockey Association, Western Canada Hockey League, Western Hockey League and National Hockey League. A sterling playoff performer, Holmes backstopped two Stanley Cup wins in Toronto and one each in Seattle and Victoria. He was the leading goalie six times in the Pacific Coast Hockey Association/Western Canada Hockey League. In Stanley Cup play, he out-dueled such legends as Georges Vezina and Clint Benedict. - HHoF Bio

Happy Holmes was an exceptional goaler who played in both the east and west, compiling an average that is second only to that of Clint Benedict when weighted with the length of his career. He was on seven chamionship teams, four of which won the Stanley Cup.

This great goalkeeper seemed taken for granted and little refence was made of the extraordinary record that he was compiling. The eccentricities of other goalers kept many of them in the news but Holmes, if mentioned, was usually reported as playing a steady game. This he maintained throughout his career. - The Trail of the Stanley Cup Vol. 1

Harry "Hap" Holmes was goalie of uncommon grit. Sportswriters called him "Nerveless." He played in 409 top-level contests in his career with Toronto, Seattle, Detroit, and Victoria. If there had been a throphy for the league's top goalie in his day, he may very well have taken half a dozen. In all, he counted 40 shutouts, adding 7 more in 48 playoff contests, and he put up a career goals-against average of 2.81 and backstopped seven league championship squads and four Stanley Cup winners. - Ultimate Hockey

28 Harry "Hap" Holmes
Holmes came up big at the most important time of year. He posted a playoff goals-against average below 2.00 in six of his ten pro seasons.

Notable Achievements: Hall of Famer; seven-time Pacific Coast Hockey Association All-Star; Western Canada Hockey League All-Star in 1924-25; backstopped the first U.S.-based Cup winner [1916-17 Seattle Metropolitans], the first NHL Cup winner [1917-18 Toronto Arenas], and the last Cup winner from outside the NHL [1924-25 WCHL Victoria Cougars]; led the PCHA in wins three times, in shutouts four times, and in goals-against average five times; led the National Hockey Association in wins once and shutouts twice; led the WCHL and Western Hockey League in GAA once each; played in five different major pro leagues [NHL, NHA, PCHA, WCHL, and WHL] and reached the Stanley Cup final with clubs from each; American Hockey League goaltending award was named in his honor. - Without Fear Hockey's 50 Greatest Goaltenders

Rick Middleton
10-18-2007, 07:36 AM
450 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals (at the podium)
451 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds (at the on-deck circle)
452 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers (in the hole)

Wisent
10-18-2007, 07:42 AM
As far as the Jagr pick is concerned, it all depends on what you're looking for. I think Jagr is almost certainly more explosive offensively than Lindsay. Terrible Ted was a great offensive player, but what makes him so valuable is his all-around game. Jagr is a guy who can break the game open at any moment, against any defenseman at any spot in the attacking zone. His size/speed/skill combination is unreal.

Depending on the kind of offense you're trying to run and what other players you have or intend to put on the 1st line, I can definitely see Jagr going ahead of Lindsay. Not every player on a team/line needs to be a leader or a gritty 2-way guy. If you need offense first and foremost and already have the other bits covered (not to mention the RW/LW difference) taking Jagr over Lindsay makes perfect sense.

Also, I would note that the "left wing scarcity" assumption is mostly false. There is a smaller truly elite tier at left wing than at any other position, but the field fattens up nicely into a middle-tier of very attractive scoringline players in rounds six and seven, at about the same time the high-end tier of right wings begins to dry up. After the 11-deep tier of elite talent at right wing (Bathgate is generally the last player taken from this group in my opinion, though arguments can be made that Makarov and Mikhailov are at least close), I actually think the left wings are better.

I completely agree with that post. For me, the left wing scarcity is a bit of a myth. There are a lot of high end left wings that fit in an all-time draft. Funnily, I have problems filling my right wing spot. That is why I pick them early.

BlueBleeder
10-18-2007, 08:09 AM
I knew Flin Flon wasn't going to start Clarke-Trottier and I was fairly confident St Louis wasn't going to start Yzerman-Trottier, so when Winnipeg took Jagr (awful pick IMO) instead of Lindsay, I realized that (at the very least) I was going to get Trottier. My exact words were, "wow ... that just happened."

I seriously considered Yzerman - Trottier, as a 1-2 punch. Hall won the coin toss.

BlueBleeder
10-18-2007, 08:13 AM
New York Raiders head coach Shero is pleased to have a word in the selection of a linemate for Brind'amour and Luce in a 6'2 195 lbs two-way force, tough through his career with 2000+ PIM and a sniper of a shot with 355 goals in 1018 NHL games:

http://www.logoserver.com/hockey/NewYorkRaiders.GIF

Mike Foligno

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/buffalo/FolignoBuf.JPG


http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=10488

Both of my 4th line RW's gone...:rant:

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-18-2007, 08:48 AM
I like it, I like it. We'll have to get our PR people on that right away.

We can also play OPP during the Oakland Power Play and Mama Said Knock You Out whenever Red Horner gets in a fight. Don't call it a comeback. Too bad we don't have Jeremy Roenick and his sweet dance moves. I'd like to incorporate I am the Walrus into the playlist, as well, though I'm not really sure where it would be appropriate. Maybe after Holocek makes a great save? Haven't come up with a good goal song yet, though if we want to use some local Oakland talent, we could certainly do a lot worse than Baby Got Back. There will be no MC Hammer songs at Seals games, so don't even go there, girlfriend.

Who's got Tkachuk?

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-18-2007, 08:56 AM
As far as the Jagr pick is concerned, it all depends on what you're looking for. I think Jagr is almost certainly more explosive offensively than Lindsay. Terrible Ted was a great offensive player, but what makes him so valuable is his all-around game. Jagr is a guy who can break the game open at any moment, against any defenseman at any spot in the attacking zone. His size/speed/skill combination is unreal.

Depending on the kind of offense you're trying to run and what other players you have or intend to put on the 1st line, I can definitely see Jagr going ahead of Lindsay. Not every player on a team/line needs to be a leader or a gritty 2-way guy. If you need offense first and foremost and already have the other bits covered (not to mention the RW/LW difference) taking Jagr over Lindsay makes perfect sense.

Also, I would note that the "left wing scarcity" assumption is mostly false. There is a smaller truly elite tier at left wing than at any other position, but the field fattens up nicely into a middle-tier of very attractive scoringline players in rounds six and seven, at about the same time the high-end tier of right wings begins to dry up. After the 11-deep tier of elite talent at right wing (Bathgate is generally the last player taken from this group in my opinion, though arguments can be made that Makarov and Mikhailov are at least close), I actually think the left wings are better.

I actually sort of agree with the Jagr/Lindsay assessment, as Jagr is more of a gamebreaker offensively. However, even if Lindsay's not quite as fearsome from a strictly offensive perspective (few are), he can break open a game in a number of ways, not only with a nice dish or a timely goal, but a big hit or an astute defensive play, a scrap, or frankly, a cheapshot. Then there's his unparalleled motivational and leadership qualities, and the fact that he brings it every night.

Overall, I give it to Lindsay, for everything he does. But if a GM has a very well thought-out game plan, I suppose I could see someone justifying the pick. Jagr's one dimension is a potent one.

pitseleh
10-18-2007, 09:05 AM
VanI, you just had to take Foligno. :rant:

I have lists from Sturm and nik jr.

Oakland selects G Normie Smith.

Seattles, continuing their trend of taking players just before I'm going to pick them, select LW Baldy Northcott.

I was planning on taking one of Northcott or Foligno. I need to decide on this pick, I'll have it in a little while.

pitseleh
10-18-2007, 09:16 AM
Nanaimo is proud to select G Tom Barrasso. Yeah, he's a jerk, but he's a jerk who could play.

Rick Middleton
10-18-2007, 09:30 AM
453 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins (at the podium)
454 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke (in the on-deck circle)
455 reckoning - Ottawa 67s (in the hole)

MXD
10-18-2007, 09:47 AM
Reck has my pick, and he picks right after me. I'll be back home around 5 PM.

Rick Middleton
10-18-2007, 09:56 AM
Anyone have Evil Speaker's pick?

God Bless Canada
10-18-2007, 09:56 AM
MXD, I hope you're still around, because I have the Speaker's pick, and you're up. The Speaker's Boston Bruins are proud to select arguably the toughest defenceman remaining: D Keith Magnuson.

ck26
10-18-2007, 10:14 AM
Well, when Terrible Ted Lindsay is still out there, that might have something to do with it. I'd never pass on Lindsay to take Jagr.Agreed. Jagr isn't the first skater I'd want on my team.You have no idea how hard I tried to get in there and steal Trottier away. I must have organized five trades only to have each and every one of them fall through.Wow.I seriously considered Yzerman - Trottier, as a 1-2 punch. Hall won the coin toss.Another wow.Nanaimo is proud to select G Tom Barrasso. Yeah, he's a jerk, but he's a jerk who could play.Nice pick.

pitseleh
10-18-2007, 10:18 AM
MXD selects G Vlad Dzurilla.

Rick Middleton
10-18-2007, 11:20 AM
455 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - (at the podium)
456 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers (in the on-deck circle)
457 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores (in the hole)

Great pace so far today folks. Let's keep it up.

nik jr
10-18-2007, 12:00 PM
Seattle, continuing their trend of taking players just before I'm going to pick them, select LW Baldy Northcott.

I was planning on taking one of Northcott or Foligno. I need to decide on this pick, I'll have it in a little while.

sorry about that pitseleh, but thanks for making our pick.

1 of the better defensive forwards of his time, northcott was 1st AS LW in '33, led the '35 playoffs in both goals and points while winning the cup, and was awarded a retroactive smythe for that year.

Lawrence "Baldy" Northcott-Montreal Maroons
In very low scoring playoffs this strong back-checking winger led the playoffs in goals (4) and points (5). He made them all count as he had three games winners. He had the only goal of the series in overtime as Maroons beat Chicago 1 goal to none; the winner in the opener against the Rangers; and had goals in each of the last two games of the finals including the cup-clinching winner in game three (4-1) over the Leafs.

wanted a player like tonelli--gritty LW who was defensively responsible and could work the boards and score. northcott is a good fit. he could also play D.
he made the top 10 in goals and points a few times, finishing as high as 3rd in points and 4th in goals.

God Bless Canada
10-18-2007, 12:09 PM
Nanaimo is proud to select G Tom Barrasso. Yeah, he's a jerk, but he's a jerk who could play.
This is the guy I was thinking of when I mentioned a guy who might not fit into a team as a back-up goalie. It might be one of the reasons he was left off the 1996 World Cup team for the U.S. as the No. 3. (Guy Hebert was the No. 3 that year).

He's one of the best goalies available. One of the best eligible goalies not in the HHOF. But can he check his ego at the door and accept the role of a back-up? Or is he going to be a malcontent and a problem child in the locker room?

If Hap Day can keep Barasso happy, then Hap deserves coach of the year.

MXD
10-18-2007, 02:38 PM
Thanks Pits. Obviously, his capacity to work in tandem with other goalies, and especially someone from another "ethnicity" if that makes sense in english (being french, I screw up some words at time), makes him a prime candidate over many goalies selected before.

http://www.findagrave.com/photos/2003/306/23164_1067898018.jpg
Montreal's GM Sam Pollock was so impressed by Dzurilla's performance in the 1976 Canada Cup that he put him on Montreal's negotiation list although he was 34. Pollock said that Dzurilla showed him enough in that one game to warrant putting his name on the list. Dzurilla however never got permission to play in North America.

After his playing career was over he became a trainer in Czechoslovakia, Switzerland and Germany. He was also IIHF's (International Ice Hockey Federation) official goalie instructor for young goalies in 1995. His last hockey game came in Stockholm in May of 1995 when the Swedish oldtimers played against the World oldtimer All-Stars. The ever popular Dzurilla, with the trademark smile on his face, won the player of the game award.

He was a legendary goalie in Europe and is without a doubt Slovakia's greatest goalie of all time.

Evil Speaker
10-18-2007, 02:45 PM
MXD, I hope you're still around, because I have the Speaker's pick, and you're up. The Speaker's Boston Bruins are proud to select arguably the toughest defenceman remaining: D Keith Magnuson.


Thanks GBC. Keith Magnuson will be united with his former teammate Pat Stapleton on the 2nd unit. Keith brings us alot of heart, character, toughness and agressive defensive play to the defense. We were hoping to have Red Dutton as our character guy, but Magnuson is a nice consolation.

Nalyd Psycho
10-18-2007, 03:18 PM
WOW. I just knew BM67 was gonna grab Holmes. But Smith is a great consolation prize. With a European starter, I knew it was essential to have a back-up with not just playoff experience, but some Stanley cup wins, so a two time Cup champion, retroactive Smythe winner and winner of the longest game in NHL history is just what the doctor ordered.

Funny that Northcott went next as he was next on our list...

Sturminator
10-18-2007, 03:21 PM
I have to say I considered throwing Godzilla's name into the pot when Nalyd and I were discussing backup goalie candidates, but we both decided that we wanted a guy with NHL playoff experience. Normie Smith was a hell of a goalie for a couple of years before hurting his arm and he's a guy we feel comfortable slotting in to give Holocek a break, both during the regular season and in the playoffs.

Although I dislike short-peak players in general, I make an exception for backup goalies, for whom brief bursts of greatness are more important than long-term consistency. There haven't been many better two year peaks than Normie had from 1935 to 1937, but there also wasn't a whole lot more to his career than that, so I don't see much reason to believe he'd have a problem playing second fiddle to a workhorse like Holocek.

VanIslander
10-18-2007, 03:27 PM
452 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Tom Barrasso
454 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Vladimir Dzurilla
Man what a coincidence! :amazed: I was just thinking about THOSE exact two goalies!

I was wondering a couple of hours ago about what backup to take and thought that Barrasso would be my pick if I wanted to maximize regular season seeding because he could see 30+ games as a backup, basically like a tandem situation, and if Hasek got injured then Tomcat could take over for the playoffs, only, Hasek is not the sort of goalie who'll be happy resting 30+ games a season, guys like he and Fuhr want and need to work most nights.

Then I thought how Dzurilla steps into situations with little prep and shines, like when the refrigerator mechanic was called up last minute to play Canada and stole the spotlight. He seems like the perfect backup to come in for a game or two or three here or there, especially in a clutch.

So...

The Tommy B pick boosts my esteem for Nanaimo in reflecting on regular season rankings, especially given that the team's starter is Benedict who only played 24-40 games per season and could really use help down the stretch to ensure the oldtimer isn't overused going into the playoffs. But I'll have a question mark in my head come playoff time, especially after the first round or two, when I expect Barrasso to be more of a hassle to deal with personalitywise.

The Slovak pick improves my respect for Sherbrooke's playoff goaltending, especially given the question marks surrounding starter Connell. Now the team has two guys who have played well when it mattered most. But can Connell handle more than 44 games per season? Perhaps with modern training in an all-time context,.. but one wonders. And I dunno about how Dzurilla would play with a 20-40 games workload, he always looking a bit out of shape, more skill than fitness. So regular season standing might take a knock with this pick, more geared to playoff insurance.

imo

Sturminator
10-18-2007, 03:46 PM
I guess you know you're pretty deep into a draft when you see a run on backup goalies and in-depth analysis of the potentially earth-shaking ramifications of drafting Tom Barrasso.

Northcott + goalie would have been the way we went if Laprade was off the board. I guess sometimes a certain amount of consensus exists even this late in the draft.

VanIslander
10-18-2007, 04:04 PM
The best rounds are coming up. Choice is greater, planning and decision making more deliberative. I much prefer the later rounds to the early ones.

...the potentially earth-shaking ramifications of drafting Tom Barrasso
:biglaugh: more like dressing room rumble

ck26
10-18-2007, 04:22 PM
But can he check his ego at the door and accept the role of a back-up? Or is he going to be a malcontent and a problem child in the locker room?"Hey, Tom. Until you play better than Clint Benedict, shut up.
Love,
Coach Day"

... problem solved.

Sturminator
10-18-2007, 04:28 PM
The best rounds are coming up. Choice is greater, planning and decision making more deliberative. I much prefer the later rounds to the early ones.

In my opinion, the great challenge to coming out ahead in the early rounds is projection and manuevering. Correctly identifying at what point certain tiers of talent (and tiers within certain positions, as well) will run out and getting in on the end of those runs is the best way to maximize value through about round ten or so.

After the first ten rounds or so, the emphasis becomes more tilted towards research and knowledge. You've got to have a deep list to make the most out of all your picks in the bottom half of the draft. The picks do tail off in importance just as the players picked tail off in projected icetime, but still they can be the difference between winning and losing.

What's interesting about the top half of the draft is watching everyone jockey for position, trying to predict opposing GM's moves, seeing which players rise and fall, etc. The opening rounds of the draft also seem to spur some lively debates about relative player value, much moreso than the bottom half, in which there is nothing close to a crystallized consensus.

The bottom half of the draft is interesting because you really get to see what's new - the fruits of the league's collective research and knowledge. Some interesting stuff has already come out and I'm sure it will get really wide open here shortly as third lines and top 4 defenses are basically all complete and almost everyone's list is running on fumes. Now is the time when I'm sure we'll see a lot of "I like this guy" picks, some good, some bad, but all pretty interesting. I haven't seen any names so far that I just didn't know (shows what a nerd I am), but I'm sure it's coming...

God Bless Canada
10-18-2007, 04:43 PM
"Hey, Tom. Until you play better than Clint Benedict, shut up.
Love,
Coach Day"

... problem solved.
I would give you Tom's reaction, but I don't see a middle finger emoticon on here.

MXD
10-18-2007, 04:48 PM
I would give you Tom's reaction, but I don't see a middle finger emoticon on here.

:nono::wedgie:

Those ones would be the better fit I guess.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-18-2007, 04:51 PM
I have to say I considered throwing Godzilla's name into the pot when Nalyd and I were discussing backup goalie candidates, but we both decided that we wanted a guy with NHL playoff experience. Normie Smith was a hell of a goalie for a couple of years before hurting his arm and he's a guy we feel comfortable slotting in to give Holocek a break, both during the regular season and in the playoffs.

Although I dislike short-peak players in general, I make an exception for backup goalies, for whom brief bursts of greatness are more important than long-term consistency. There haven't been many better two year peaks than Normie had from 1935 to 1937, but there also wasn't a whole lot more to his career than that, so I don't see much reason to believe he'd have a problem playing second fiddle to a workhorse like Holocek.

It all depends on how much work you're going to give your #1 'tender, I figure.

Since Cheevers never played more than 52 games in the regular season, I felt it necessary to get another quality goaltender with long-term consistency (Chabot) to help share the load. I don't think a goalie like Smith would've been ideal in my case, but if you're confident in Holocek playing a healthy portion of your season, I think Smith could perform well in a limited role.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-18-2007, 04:55 PM
Today's moving much more slowly than I thought it would.

Will anyone be around tonight to take HO's list from me?

MXD
10-18-2007, 05:03 PM
Send it my way Dr.Dark. I'll be back during the intermissions.

reckoning
10-18-2007, 05:09 PM
Ottawa selects Ian Turnbull.

shawnmullin
10-18-2007, 05:10 PM
I would give you Tom's reaction, but I don't see a middle finger emoticon on here.

I'm not sure if a goalie stick wouldn't be involved.

pappyline
10-18-2007, 05:45 PM
Is Evil Sather aware that it is his turn?

VanIslander
10-18-2007, 05:49 PM
You've got to have a deep list to make the most out of all your picks in the bottom half of the draft... almost everyone's list is running on fumes
I have several lists running on high octane :D having spent a lot of time getting ready for the next minor league draft and coming across some gems.

One learns very little early in the draft but - as I'm sure several other g.m.s can confirm - researching depth options for the later rounds and the minor league draft is an educational experience.

Evil Sather
10-18-2007, 06:06 PM
The New York Rangers select a stellar rushing defensemen with a few Cups on his resume, one the first true superstars of the game, the first defenseman credited with a goal, and a contender for the Captaincy.. D Lester Patrick.

EagleBelfour
10-18-2007, 06:09 PM
The New York Rangers select a stellar rushing defensemen with a few Cups on his resume, one the first true superstars of the game, the first defenseman credited with a goal, and a contender for the Captaincy.. D Lester Patrick.

And an awesome goaltender :handclap:

pappyline
10-18-2007, 06:12 PM
Biltmores select C Orland Kurtenbach

Surprised he was still available with all the Canuck fans in this draft.

Kurtenbach was a tough effective 2 way centre who was the first captain of the Canucks. He was also pretty good with his fists. Didn't go looking for trouble but was able to handle it when it came his way.

God Bless Canada
10-18-2007, 06:20 PM
Biltmores select C Orland Kurtenbach

Surprised he was still available with all the Canuck fans in this draft.

Kurtenbach was a tough effective 2 way centre who was the first captain of the Canucks. He was also pretty good with his fists. Didn't go looking for trouble but was able to handle it when it came his way.
A man after my own heart. He was on my list, but after we got Riser, we didn't have any room left for a centre.

Remember, pappy, none of the Canuck fans were around when Orland was our double-tough captain.

BTW, is this the first draft that BM didn't have Patrick as a player or a coach? Or both?

And did mullin send a pick to anyone? If not, I'll need to PM my two-man list to somebody in 20 minutes. (mulls, if you do come on-line, that's how long you have to pick).

pitseleh
10-18-2007, 06:47 PM
WOW. I just knew BM67 was gonna grab Holmes. But Smith is a great consolation prize. With a European starter, I knew it was essential to have a back-up with not just playoff experience, but some Stanley cup wins, so a two time Cup champion, retroactive Smythe winner and winner of the longest game in NHL history is just what the doctor ordered.

Funny that Northcott went next as he was next on our list...

It's a sad day, I was hoping to have Smith as the only three-time Clipper. Obviously you don't have to sell me on his talent.

"Hey, Tom. Until you play better than Clint Benedict, shut up.
Love,
Coach Day"

... problem solved.

That's pretty much what it came down to for me. I think with how quirky a lot of goalies are, most guys who were starters for most or all of their career wouldn't be comfortable in a backup position. But for the sake of an ATD, I'd rather have a backup who is competitive and feels that he can (and should) be the starter.

The bottom half of the draft is interesting because you really get to see what's new - the fruits of the league's collective research and knowledge. Some interesting stuff has already come out and I'm sure it will get really wide open here shortly as third lines and top 4 defenses are basically all complete and almost everyone's list is running on fumes. Now is the time when I'm sure we'll see a lot of "I like this guy" picks, some good, some bad, but all pretty interesting. I haven't seen any names so far that I just didn't know (shows what a nerd I am), but I'm sure it's coming...

I've lost all faith in you guys. Last draft I was able to not pick players I really wanted because I thought they had a good chance of sliding to my next pick. There's going to be no more of that from me from now on.

Rick Middleton
10-18-2007, 06:49 PM
458 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars (at the podium)
459 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF (in the on-deck circle)
460 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs (in the hole)

vancityluongo
10-18-2007, 07:09 PM
Well, when Terrible Ted Lindsay is still out there, that might have something to do with it. I'd never pass on Lindsay to take Jagr. But I'd never pass on Lindsay to take Yzerman, Lidstrom, any goalie who's out there, or some of the other guys taken ahead of Lindsay.

Lindsay was probably the BPA for about 10 picks. And when you consider his position, well-rounded game and leadership, he should go a lot earlier than 30.

And for the record, Jagr went No. 29. Or 28. Whichever was listed first.

I knew Flin Flon wasn't going to start Clarke-Trottier and I was fairly confident St Louis wasn't going to start Yzerman-Trottier, so when Winnipeg took Jagr (awful pick IMO) instead of Lindsay, I realized that (at the very least) I was going to get Trottier. My exact words were, "wow ... that just happened."

Hate to say it, but it's probably the biggest mistake we've made all draft. Right after the lottery, we had our eyes on a few guys: Hasek, Lidstrom, Brodeur, Jagr, Park, Sakic, Yzerman...guys who would likely get picked around that area. So when we checked to see Lidstrom, and Hasek gone, we took the next two on our list. However, ck, I fail to see how Jagr is a awful pick past 20.

shawnmullin
10-18-2007, 07:10 PM
While I still believe my team needs to get more physical up front, I also see a great opportunity with this pick to give me some intriguing options.

At this point this particular player has fallen so substantially from the last draft that (over 150 spots from where Pappy took him in 7, and more than that from where he was taken in 6) I imagine that perhaps people just aren't looking for this type of player anymore.

However, drafting a playmaker of his ability suits me wonderfully. I have exceptional trigger men on both of my first two lines that he would make great use of. I could slot him in between Lafleur and Blake and move Taylor to D. I could slot him between Bellows and Yakushev while moving the two-way talents of Damphousse to my third line LW position.

He gives my line-up some flexibility. Even more than that he gives me the opportunity to put his playmaking ability onto my first PP unit with Taylor moving to the other point spot.

He's a two time WHA First All-Star, two time Avco Cup Champion, WHA Playoff MVP, multiple time WHA assist leader, 3 WHA seasons with over 120 points and four with over 114 points, scored 26 points in 13 playoff games one season and 27 points in 20 games in another playoff run. Despite two debilitating injuries he still scored 169 points in 170 NHL games. He also had 16 points in 14 playoff games during the Rangers playoff run in 1981. A skilled playmaker with speed, creativity and the proven ability to make the best out of playing with superstar talent.

C Ulf Nilsson

From LEGENDS OF HOCKEY (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=13854)

Nilsson was one of the players who introduced Swedish hockey to Canada when in 1974 he made his debut with the WHA's Winnipeg Jets, where his partner in offense was another great Swedish forward, Anders Hedberg. Both were often among the league's best scorers and, thanks to the Swedish duo's excellent performance, the Winnipeg Jets twice won the Avco Cup.

At the 1976 Canada Cup, he played exceptionally well for Tre Kronor and in a game against the USSR scored the decisive goal against Vladislav Tretiak. Nilsson was also included on the NHL All-Star Team pitted against the USSR at the 1979 Challenge Cup tournament.

From Winnipeg Jets Legends (http://winnipegjetslegends.blogspot.com/2006/08/anders-hedberg-and-ulf-nilsson.html)

Upon arrival in Winnipeg, Nilsson and Hedberg were almost immediately teamed up with The Golden Jet - Bobby Hull. In fact, they help Hull achieve mind boggling statistics while playing an exciting brand of hockey previously not seen in North America. Many look back it at it now and call it "Edmonton Oiler Hockey" only a few years earlier. Like Gretzky's Oilers, Nilsson, Hedberg and Hull loved to run and gun.

Nilsson was more of a playmaker than Hedberg, who was more of a sniper. Both however fed the real sniper - Hull. Nilsson twice led the WHA in assists and never scored less than 114 points.

Ulf Nilsson's and Anders Hedberg's true legend lies in the World Hockey Association. They however proved they belong at the National Hockey League level as well.

vancityluongo
10-18-2007, 07:10 PM
The New York Rangers select a stellar rushing defensemen with a few Cups on his resume, one the first true superstars of the game, the first defenseman credited with a goal, and a contender for the Captaincy.. D Lester Patrick.

Gah.

shawnmullin
10-18-2007, 07:10 PM
Wasn't quick enough to get in on GBC's time limit so whomever has his pick go ahead.

EagleBelfour
10-18-2007, 07:13 PM
GBC select Defenseman Wally Stanowski

Can someone PM FI2? TY

MXD
10-18-2007, 07:15 PM
GBC select Defenseman Wally Stanowski

Can someone PM FI2? TY

***!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!

pitseleh
10-18-2007, 07:26 PM
Can someone PM FI2? TY

Done.

Evil Speaker
10-18-2007, 07:42 PM
GBC select Defenseman Wally Stanowski

Can someone PM FI2? TY

Stanowski is a good pick. He's a fine talent and the kind of guy everybody wants in the locker room.

pappyline
10-18-2007, 07:57 PM
While I still believe my team needs to get more physical up front, I also see a great opportunity with this pick to give me some intriguing options.

At this point this particular player has fallen so substantially from the last draft that (over 150 spots from where Pappy took him in 7, and more than that from where he was taken in 6) I imagine that perhaps people just aren't looking for this type of player anymore.

However, drafting a playmaker of his ability suits me wonderfully. I have exceptional trigger men on both of my first two lines that he would make great use of. I could slot him in between Lafleur and Blake and move Taylor to D. I could slot him between Bellows and Yakushev while moving the two-way talents of Damphousse to my third line LW position.

He gives my line-up some flexibility. Even more than that he gives me the opportunity to put his playmaking ability onto my first PP unit with Taylor moving to the other point spot.

He's a two time WHA First All-Star, two time Avco Cup Champion, WHA Playoff MVP, multiple time WHA assist leader, 3 WHA seasons with over 120 points and four with over 114 points, scored 26 points in 13 playoff games one season and 27 points in 20 games in another playoff run. Despite two debilitating injuries he still scored 169 points in 170 NHL games. He also had 16 points in 14 playoff games during the Rangers playoff run in 1981. A skilled playmaker with speed, creativity and the proven ability to make the best out of playing with superstar talent.



I think Ulf is a steal at this point. I have been considering him for several rounds now & would eventually have drafted him. If I hadn't been able to draft Boucher to play with Hull, i would have taken him long ago. I don't think people realize how good he really was. He gets less recognition because his best years were in the WHA and he had chronic injuries after jumping to the NHL.

shawnmullin
10-18-2007, 08:09 PM
I think Ulf is a steal at this point. I have been considering him for several rounds now & would eventually have drafted him. If I hadn't been able to draft Boucher to play with Hull, i would have taken him long ago. I don't think people realize how good he really was. He gets less recognition because his best years were in the WHA and he had chronic injuries after jumping to the NHL.

That's how I felt about it. Honestly I was considering him as far back as the late 200s. Everything I've seen and everything I've read points to a guy who was an elite playmaker. You can say he played with great talent, but in this situation he _would_ be playing with great talent, right?

It's hard to know exactly what he could've done in the NHL. Given that he was hurt most of the time and still put up a PPG and had a good playoff run in 81, I'd say he was at the very least an upper echelon NHL talent.

God Bless Canada
10-18-2007, 09:25 PM
Thanks for the help, Eagle. We were looking at several defencemen with our pick, but Wally was the one guy who really stood out to us. We felt that we needed to improve the speed of our defence. Wally does that. We needed another defenceman who could advance the puck and work the power play. Wally does that. But he's also a good character guy, he won four Cups with the Leafs in the 40s, and he's a war veteran. Add it up, and you have a guy who probably has the most going for him, on and off the ice, of any defenceman left on the board.

BM67
10-18-2007, 09:28 PM
BTW, is this the first draft that BM didn't have Patrick as a player or a coach? Or both?

No, but it does mark the first time someone other than me has drafted him as a player. Seems I've said something like that before. :)

Here's my pick writeup from the last draft:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=9172553&postcount=963

I'd have too say that he's one of the few early defensemen not getting his full due in this draft.

vancityluongo
10-18-2007, 09:50 PM
No, but it does mark the first time someone other than me has drafted him as a player. Seems I've said something like that before. :)

Here's my pick writeup from the last draft:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=9172553&postcount=963

I'd have too say that he's one of the few early defensemen not getting his full due in this draft.

Gah, he was going to be our 7th defencemen...nice pick though ES and kreuzer.

ck26
10-18-2007, 10:47 PM
Hate to say it, but it's probably the biggest mistake we've made all draft. Right after the lottery, we had our eyes on a few guys: Hasek, Lidstrom, Brodeur, Jagr, Park, Sakic, Yzerman...guys who would likely get picked around that area. So when we checked to see Lidstrom, and Hasek gone, we took the next two on our list. However, ck, I fail to see how Jagr is a awful pick past 20.Phil Esposito, Bobby Clarke, Ted Lindsay, Bryan Trottier, Joe Sakic and Steve Yzerman are all better forwards to take as a first pick in that 20-35 range. Jagr is a tremendous offensive talent, but MY 1st 2 picks (Larry Robinson and Bryan Trottier) can both play any time against any opposing player, and yours can't. When I line up against Mario Lemieux, my star players are a wonderful antidote. Jagr can only go out onto the ice on a different shift and attempt to trade goals with his former linemate, a race he inevitably loses.

Jagr can be part of a great team, but I want my 1st skater to be someone who can safely play 28 minutes in game 7, something many players can do but Jagr can't.

VanIslander
10-18-2007, 10:51 PM
Jagr has more offensive talent than the six mentioned but in terms of overall value yeah he is less worthy to a championship all-time team

arrbez
10-18-2007, 10:54 PM
Phil Esposito, Bobby Clarke, Ted Lindsay, Bryan Trottier, Joe Sakic and Steve Yzerman are all better forwards to take as a first pick in that 20-35 range. Jagr is a tremendous offensive talent, but MY 1st 2 picks (Larry Robinson and Bryan Trottier) can both play any time against any opposing player, and yours can't. When I line up against Mario Lemieux, my star players are a wonderful antidote. Jagr can only go out onto the ice on a different shift and attempt to trade goals with his former linemate, a race he inevitably loses.

Wow, are you ever selling Jagr short here. He may be one of the top 10 offensive talents in league history. Regardless of his defensive play, that's enough to easily make him a first rounder. Guys like Sakic and Yzerman certainly have better all-around games, but they don't compare to Jagr offensively. It's just a trade off, is all. Just get Jagr some linemates who can play a little D and you're fine.

vancityluongo
10-18-2007, 11:09 PM
Phil Esposito, Bobby Clarke, Ted Lindsay, Bryan Trottier, Joe Sakic and Steve Yzerman are all better forwards to take as a first pick in that 20-35 range. Jagr is a tremendous offensive talent, but MY 1st 2 picks (Larry Robinson and Bryan Trottier) can both play any time against any opposing player, and yours can't. When I line up against Mario Lemieux, my star players are a wonderful antidote. Jagr can only go out onto the ice on a different shift and attempt to trade goals with his former linemate, a race he inevitably loses.

Jagr can be part of a great team, but I want my 1st skater to be someone who can safely play 28 minutes in game 7, something many players can do but Jagr can't.

Believe me, if Clarke and Espo were available, I assure you I would've taken them. Same with Lindsay had we realized he was still available. And I don't want to compare teams with you, and I don't know why you're attacking Jagr, but I'd easily have Brodeur over Trottier. Robinson...meh, but like I said, if he was available at my pick as well, we would have taken him.

Wow, are you ever selling Jagr short here. He may be one of the top 10 offensive talents in league history. Regardless of his defensive play, that's enough to easily make him a first rounder. Guys like Sakic and Yzerman certainly have better all-around games, but they don't compare to Jagr offensively. It's just a trade off, is all. Just get Jagr some linemates who can play a little D and you're fine.

Thank you. Ck seems to be against JJ. Hopefully he isn't the only one judging my team come playoff time...:D

ck26
10-18-2007, 11:21 PM
Believe me, if Clarke and Espo were available, I assure you I would've taken them. Same with Lindsay had we realized he was still available. And I don't want to compare teams with you, and I don't know why you're attacking Jagr, but I'd easily have Brodeur over Trottier. Robinson...meh, but like I said, if he was available at my pick as well, we would have taken him.I bolded those 3 because they were actually available when you picked. I'm definately not knocking the Brodeur pick. I'd rate him higher than Dryden who went right before him.

If I take Jagr in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "How do I cover up his weaknesses?"

If I take Lindsay or Trottier in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "Guy LaFleur can kiss my butt."

vancityluongo
10-18-2007, 11:31 PM
I bolded those 3 because they were actually available when you picked. I'm definately not knocking the Brodeur pick. I'd rate him higher than Dryden who went right before him.

If I take Jagr in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "How do I cover up his weaknesses?"

If I take Lindsay or Trottier in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "Guy LaFleur can kiss my butt."

Well, technically, Jagr was our 2nd round pick...

But yeah, I agree, Trottier is a MUCH better all-around player...the kind of guy who you build a team around. But instead of a forward, we have Brodeur to build around. Jagr is primary scoring piece, and he'll be directed to go all-out offensively. Five-on-Five, we'll maybe have our shutdown pairing of Daneyko-Harper out with them, to cover for any possible defensive laspses.

Again, depends how you want to build your team. We're approaching a high offense team, with discipline. From the looks of your roster, I'm guessing you want a solid all-around roster, which is awesome, and to each their own.

:)

arrbez
10-18-2007, 11:38 PM
I bolded those 3 because they were actually available when you picked. I'm definately not knocking the Brodeur pick. I'd rate him higher than Dryden who went right before him.

If I take Jagr in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "How do I cover up his weaknesses?"

If I take Lindsay or Trottier in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "Guy LaFleur can kiss my butt."

As I say, it all balances out. Jagr's so good offensively that you don't need to spend another high pick on a stud offensive player to line up with him. If you're so worried about his defense, you can grab a goalie or a defenseman in the 2nd round, and still come out with an excellent centre (the most plentiful position in the draft) as late as round 7 or 8 (Denis Savard fell to 189!).

IMO, you need to find elite offensive support for a guy like Ted Lindsay a lot earlier than you do with Jagr. Jagr's one of the few guys in NHL history who could be hands-down the best offensive player in the league with absolute garbage for linemates. Lindsay was gritty, talented, and everything else that comes with that, but he certainly wouldn't have won a scoring title by 20 points on a line with Kip Miller and Jan Hrdina. Either one of these players could be better, provided the right team is built around them.

In the end, it comes down to team-building.

vancityluongo
10-18-2007, 11:45 PM
As I say, it all balances out. Jagr's so good offensively that you don't need to spend another high pick on a stud offensive player to line up with him. If you're so worried about his defense, you can grab a goalie or a defenseman in the 2nd round, and still come out with an excellent centre (the most plentiful position in the draft) as late as round 7 or 8.

IMO, you need to find elite offensive support for a guy like Ted Lindsay a lot earlier than you do with Jagr. He's one of the few guys in NHL history who could be hands-down the best offensive player in the league with absolute garbage for linemates.

In the end, it comes down to team-building.

Thank you thank you thank you Arrbez. I'd call Joliat-LaFontaine-Jagr a decent defensively responsible first line. But they're no question, IMO, one of the most potent scoring lines in the draft.

Again, Jackson-Trottier-Kurri, is similar, except Trottier obviously is waaayyy better then LaFontaine, just like Jagr is ahead of Kurri. Jackson and Joliat I'd call a wash. So you're top line is better defensively, and play a good all-round game, similar to your team's main style of play, while my offensive team has a offensive first line. Just our different philosphies, and IMO, neither is wrong.

Sturminator
10-18-2007, 11:57 PM
I bolded those 3 because they were actually available when you picked. I'm definately not knocking the Brodeur pick. I'd rate him higher than Dryden who went right before him.

If I take Jagr in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "How do I cover up his weaknesses?"

If I take Lindsay or Trottier in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "Guy LaFleur can kiss my butt."

What this shows most of all is simply your obsession with defensive-minded players. A couple of points:

- if you're actually planning on playing Bryan Trottier 28 minutes a game (as stated earlier about your "first two picks"), you're going to regret it. Even all time great first line forwards can't realistically be expected to play more than 22-23 minutes of a game that ends in regulation. Guys can spike above that if the special teams situation gets out of whack or whatnot, but if you lean too hard on your first line all the time, you're going to wear them out.

- Bryan Trottier is my all-time favorite player, but you do realize that you aren't getting the Art-Ross winner and the lock down defensive center at the same time, right? This is a guy who peaked very high on the scoring tables and who later on developed into an excellent 2-way player, but those two things did not happen simultaneously. Trottier was all-offense when he came into the league, and finished second and then first in consecutive seasons in the late 70's as a really young guy. Ok, that shows his talent, but the Isles weren't winning anything and Arbour imposed a more restrictive system, to which Trottier adapted admirably. But it must be noted that his scoring really dropped. He went from a guy who was competing for the Art-Ross every year (though there's no way he would have won it after Gretzky came into the league) to a guy whose offensive numbers are right in the same ballpark as Oakland's own Bernie Federko (and this on a much better team).

Before you even say it, I'm not comparing Federko and Trottier as players (the great fisherman in the sky would smite me with the old half-drunk bottle of Pabst), but pointing out that after he became a 2-way player, Trottier's offensive numbers were not good enough by themselves to justify his selection in the 1st/2nd round. The same is true for Steve Yzerman. You don't get the high-flying, super-whiz-kid scorer and the tough, dogged backchecker at the same time. I guess you get some amalgamation of the two, but at any rate, Trottier and Yzerman are not going to score as many points as Jagr, and it may not even be close. They will, of course, make up (or perhaps more than make up) for the offensive shortcoming by preventing goals, but the point stands that these are not guys who were simultaneously dominant (in an all-time sense, in which merely being in the top-10 doesn't make you a dominant scorer) on both offense and defense.

I would also note that although he seems to be largely ignored as a legitimate eraly-round pick by everyone but Wisent, Sergei Fedorov did have a couple of those Michael Jordan-esque dominant 2-way seasons at his peak, and I would argue (which pains me to say) that he truly peaked higher than either Trottier or Yzerman. Fedorov was absolutely ridiculous in his Hart year, like the Bobby Orr of forwards. Of course, Sergei's peak didn't really last that long and there are certain questions about his character (maybe drafting Kournikova as an assistant coach would help?), but I just wanted to point out that when evaluating 2-way players, or really any players, I always look at when they did what, and do not assume that I'll get a player who can do two things at once if he didn't do it in real life.

The Great Babe Siebert Debate fits in here somewhere...

shawnmullin
10-19-2007, 12:00 AM
I bolded those 3 because they were actually available when you picked. I'm definately not knocking the Brodeur pick. I'd rate him higher than Dryden who went right before him.

If I take Jagr in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "How do I cover up his weaknesses?"

If I take Lindsay or Trottier in the 1st round, I go into the 2nd thinking, "Guy LaFleur can kiss my butt."

Leave Guy out of this!

shawnmullin
10-19-2007, 12:08 AM
What this shows most of all is simply your obsession with defensive-minded players. A couple of points:

- if you're actually planning on playing Bryan Trottier 28 minutes a game (as stated earlier about your "first two picks"), you're going to regret it. Even all time great first line forwards can't realistically be expected to play more than 22-23 minutes of a game that ends in regulation. Guys can spike above that if the special teams situation gets out of whack or whatnot, but if you lean too hard on your first line all the time, you're going to wear them out.

- Bryan Trottier is my all-time favorite player, but you do realize that you aren't getting the Art-Ross winner and the lock down defensive center at the same time, right? This is a guy who peaked very high on the scoring tables and who later on developed into an excellent 2-way player, but those two things did not happen simultaneously. Trottier was all-offense when he came into the league, and finished second and then first in consecutive seasons in the late 70's as a really young guy. Ok, that shows his talent, but the Isles weren't winning anything and Arbour imposed a more restrictive system, to which Trottier adapted admirably. But it must be noted that his scoring really dropped. He went from a guy who was competing for the Art-Ross every year (though there's no way he would have won it after Gretzky came into the league) to a guy whose offensive numbers are right in the same ballpark as Oakland's own Bernie Federko (and this on a much better team).

Before you even say it, I'm not comparing Federko and Trottier as players (the great fisherman in the sky would smite me with the old half-drunk bottle of Pabst), but pointing out that after he became a 2-way player, Trottier's offensive numbers were not good enough by themselves to justify his selection in the 1st/2nd round. The same is true for Steve Yzerman. You don't get the high-flying, super-whiz-kid scorer and the tough, dogged backchecker at the same time. I guess you get some amalgamation of the two, but at any rate, Trottier and Yzerman are not going to score as many points as Jagr, and it may not even be close. They will, of course, make up (or perhaps more than make up) for the offensive shortcoming by preventing goals, but the point stands that these are not guys who were simultaneously dominant (in an all-time sense, in which merely being in the top-10 doesn't make you a dominant scorer) on both offense and defense.

I would also note that although he seems to be largely ignored as a legitimate eraly-round pick by everyone but Wisent, Sergei Fedorov did have a couple of those Michael Jordan-esque dominant 2-way seasons at his peak, and I would argue (which pains me to say) that he truly peaked higher than either Trottier or Yzerman. Fedorov was absolutely ridiculous in his Hart year, like the Bobby Orr of forwards. Of course, Sergei's peak didn't really last that long and there are certain questions about his character (maybe drafting Kournikova as an assistant coach would help?), but I just wanted to point out that when evaluating 2-way players, or really any players, I always look at when they did what, and do not assume that I'll get a player who can do two things at once if he didn't do it in real life.

The Great Babe Siebert Debate fits in here somewhere...

You bring up a fantastic point here.

If a player is like Yzerman or Trot... with two phases to his career... who are you getting in the all-time draft?

Should you have to say which version of the player you want. Is it up to the people analyzing your team to decide?

Because too often a guy like Yzerman - as you suggested - might get judged as both the 150 point threat AND the great two-way player at the same time.

ck26
10-19-2007, 12:16 AM
What this shows most of all is simply your obsession with defensive-minded players. A couple of points:

- if you're actually planning on playing Bryan Trottier 28 minutes a game (as stated earlier about your "first two picks"), you're going to regret it. Even all time great first line forwards can't realistically be expected to play more than 22-23 minutes of a game that ends in regulation. Guys can spike above that if the special teams situation gets out of whack or whatnot, but if you lean too hard on your first line all the time, you're going to wear them out.

- Bryan Trottier is my all-time favorite player, but you do realize that you aren't getting the Art-Ross winner and the lock down defensive center at the same time, right? This is a guy who peaked very high on the scoring tables and who later on developed into an excellent 2-way player, but those two things did not happen simultaneously. Trottier was all-offense when he came into the league, and finished second and then first in consecutive seasons in the late 70's as a really young guy. Ok, that shows his talent, but the Isles weren't winning anything and Arbour imposed a more restrictive system, to which Trottier adapted admirably. But it must be noted that his scoring really dropped. He went from a guy who was competing for the Art-Ross every year (though there's no way he would have won it after Gretzky came into the league) to a guy whose offensive numbers are right in the same ballpark as Oakland's own Bernie Federko (and this on a much better team).

Before you even say it, I'm not comparing Federko and Trottier as players (the great fisherman in the sky would smite me with the old half-drunk bottle of Pabst), but pointing out that after he became a 2-way player, Trottier's offensive numbers were not good enough by themselves to justify his selection in the 1st/2nd round. The same is true for Steve Yzerman. You don't get the high-flying, super-whiz-kid scorer and the tough, dogged backchecker at the same time. I guess you get some amalgamation of the two, but at any rate, Trottier and Yzerman are not going to score as many points as Jagr, and it may not even be close. They will, of course, make up (or perhaps more than make up) for the offensive shortcoming by preventing goals, but the point stands that these are not guys who were simultaneously dominant (in an all-time sense, in which merely being in the top-10 doesn't make you a dominant scorer) on both offense and defense.

I would also note that although he seems to be largely ignored as a legitimate eraly-round pick by everyone but Wisent, Sergei Fedorov did have a couple of those Michael Jordan-esque dominant 2-way seasons at his peak, and I would argue (which pains me to say) that he truly peaked higher than either Trottier or Yzerman. Fedorov was absolutely ridiculous in his Hart year, like the Bobby Orr of forwards. Of course, Sergei's peak didn't really last that long and there are certain questions about his character (maybe drafting Kournikova as an assistant coach would help?), but I just wanted to point out that when evaluating 2-way players, or really any players, I always look at when they did what, and do not assume that I'll get a player who can do two things at once if he didn't do it in real life.

The Great Babe Siebert Debate fits in here somewhere...Two quick asides: Robinson was my 28-minutes-if-i-am-desperate-in-game-7 player. Fedorov is appropriate right around where Wisent took him.

Now then ... never heard or seen this argument played out in this forum, so now's as good a time as any. Aren't we taking a player's career as a whole? John MacLean is another example of what you're saying ... he was a 40-goal scorer who evolved into a really strong checker ... why doesn't he (or Trottier or Yzerman or whoever) get credit for both halves of his career? Obviously, Trottier doesn't get as much offensive credit as Jagr (or as a hypothetical Trottier-doppleganger who didn't play for Al Arbour), but why isn't he both a great offensive and defensive forward? We aren't picking individual seasons and drafting "Yzerman '98" are we?

ck26
10-19-2007, 12:20 AM
Because too often a guy like Yzerman - as you suggested - might get judged as both the 150 point threat AND the great two-way player at the same time.Why isn't he both?

If we're going to credit Jagr for being a 149-point threat and a 123-point threat and a 121-point threat, etc (and use longevity as part of the reason Jagr is better than Neely) ... then why don't you get multiple years of Yzerman or Trottier? Players like Yzerman and Trottier or the aformentioned MacLean, even when they'd "devolved" into checkers, still had offensive talent / instincts / skills that were hard to ignore. Even the broken down old Steve Yzerman was smarter offensively than 90% of the NHL.

Frightened Inmate #2
10-19-2007, 12:20 AM
Calgary RCAF Mustangs select LW Shayne Corson to play on the fourth line.

God Bless Canada
10-19-2007, 12:28 AM
Before VCL announced his first two picks, raleh and I were discussing them, thinking about trading up. We were thinking that we would love to be in his position. We expected he would get two of Terrible Ted, Trottier and Glenn Hall. Needless to say, we were shocked when Winnipeg went with Jagr and Brodeur.

I think Jagr's a heck of a player. I just wouldn't take him ahead of the No. 2 LW of all-time - a fantastic all-round player and a marvellous leader - or Trottier, who was a fabulous all-round player. But that's also a preference thing. After we picked Bourque, the only players I would have considered alongside Lindsay are Potvin, Esposito, Mikita, Morenz, Robinson and Clarke.

I would argue that Trott's best hockey was in the playoffs from 80 to 83, when he was an excellent two-way forward. But you guys know me: I don't pay much attention to January. Those awards for Trotts in the late 70s are gravy.

arrbez
10-19-2007, 12:32 AM
Why isn't he both?

If we're going to credit Jagr for being a 149-point threat and a 123-point threat and a 121-point threat, etc (and use longevity as part of the reason Jagr is better than Neely) ... then why don't you get multiple years of Yzerman or Trottier? Players like Yzerman and Trottier or the aformentioned MacLean, even when they'd "devolved" into checkers, still had offensive talent / instincts / skills that were hard to ignore. Even the broken down old Steve Yzerman was smarter offensively than 90% of the NHL.

You draft Jagr for offense because he's been an offensive dynamo his entire career.

Yzerman was at one point an offensive dynamo who played no defence, and later on an excellent defensive player who was no longer an offensive dynamo. Obviously, he wasn't going to score 150 points and win the Selke the same year. He had to sacrifice. And for that reason I consider him a happy medium between both ends of the spectrum, but I can't consider him to be an absolutely dominant two-way player because he wasn't able to achieve this dominance at the same time.

nik jr
10-19-2007, 12:55 AM
As I say, it all balances out. Jagr's so good offensively that you don't need to spend another high pick on a stud offensive player to line up with him. If you're so worried about his defense, you can grab a goalie or a defenseman in the 2nd round, and still come out with an excellent centre (the most plentiful position in the draft) as late as round 7 or 8 (Denis Savard fell to 189!).

IMO, you need to find elite offensive support for a guy like Ted Lindsay a lot earlier than you do with Jagr. Jagr's one of the few guys in NHL history who could be hands-down the best offensive player in the league with absolute garbage for linemates. Lindsay was gritty, talented, and everything else that comes with that, but he certainly wouldn't have won a scoring title by 20 points on a line with Kip Miller and Jan Hrdina. Either one of these players could be better, provided the right team is built around them.

In the end, it comes down to team-building.
definitely agree. i see nothing at all wrong with taking jagr ahead of lindsay, other than the criticism that will follow.

no one seems to have a problem with lafleur or messier being picked ahead of mikita or clarke. and mikita won more art rosses than lafleur and messier combined.

Why isn't he both?

If we're going to credit Jagr for being a 149-point threat and a 123-point threat and a 121-point threat, etc (and use longevity as part of the reason Jagr is better than Neely) ... then why don't you get multiple years of Yzerman or Trottier? Players like Yzerman and Trottier or the aformentioned MacLean, even when they'd "devolved" into checkers, still had offensive talent / instincts / skills that were hard to ignore. Even the broken down old Steve Yzerman was smarter offensively than 90% of the NHL.

because yzerman was clearly not able to both at the same time. he clearly had to sacrifice his offensive game to focus more on D. still a very good offensive player, but wasn't a dominant offensive player anymore.

EagleBelfour
10-19-2007, 06:22 AM
Murphy is up.

Sturminator
10-19-2007, 06:29 AM
Yzerman was at one point an offensive dynamo who played no defence, and later on an excellent defensive player who was no longer an offensive dynamo. Obviously, he wasn't going to score 150 points and win the Selke the same year. He had to sacrifice. And for that reason I consider him a happy medium between both ends of the spectrum, but I can't consider him to be an absolutely dominant two-way player because he wasn't able to achieve this dominance at the same time.

I agree that guys like Yzerman and Trottier should be considered somewhere in-between the two extremes when evaluating their contributions to an all-time team.

Honestly, the only consistently dominant two-way player in hockey history is Bobby Orr, and even he had a tragically short peak of true dominance - six years, that's it, but he was so goddamned good for those six years that we forget just how the time flew by.

I don't think anyone who saw the two play can honestly say that Gretzky was as dominant as Orr (I was a kid during Orr's prime and I hated Gretzky with a passion at least early in his career, so perhaps my perception is a bit skewed). Both were transcendent players and to be honest I think Gretzky had more skill, but Wayne couldn't go out on the ice and singlehandedly crush the life out of an entire team (offense and defense) the way Bobby could. Of course, Wayne's peak lasted about three times as long as Bobby's, so that kind of balances the equation a bit.

Sturminator
10-19-2007, 06:49 AM
Why isn't he both?

Because these players are not Frankenstein's monsters. To begin with, you cannot evaluate a player based only on his peak irrespective of length of dominance and what he did for the rest of his career. Next, you certainly cannot pick and choose individual aspects of a player's game that peaked at different times as though his career were a buffet and say "I'm getting the guy who scored 100 points this season, was a +87 that season and fought Jack Dempsey for three rounds in 1934."

No, we're not drafting [Steve Yzerman - 1988] - that's called Sim Hockey, and it sucks. And because we're not drafting players in this way, we have to average out their entire careers when we consider what they'll do in this format on a game-to-game basis. In my opinion, guys with two phases should be considered as a middle ground between the two when they take the ice. Guys with short peaks should be considered inconsistent. Guys with injury histories should be considered injury prone and may end up having to play banged-up or sit on occasion, especially in the playoffs (part of me wonders when this will begin applying to Bobby Orr) - at any rate, they cannot be counted on to always be at their best.

But this is just my approach, which perhaps explains why I place such a high value on longevity, consistency and health. What makes this process so interesting, however, is that every GM looks at it from a different perspective. pit, for example, would probably tell you that a player's peak holds greater significance than the sum of his career, and his point of view is no more or less correct than my own.

Wherever you fall on the peak vs. career spectrum, I don't think it's at all reasonable to take only the best peak aspects of a player's career and assume he'll be judged as he was at his non-simultaneous best. That's just crazy talk.

Sturminator
10-19-2007, 07:17 AM
Please delete the names of undrafted players

Oi! You are a stickler, VanI. The guy I named is a poster-child for being great for one season and then being absolutely, miserably, hilariously terrible - like Robert Nordmark bad - and he doesn't play a position that requires a lot of depth, so I don't think it compromises the process to mention his name as an example of how not to evaluate players. Really, even if he were taken in the 24th round, any GM who drafted "unnamed player X" would get ripped viciously by at least half of the GMs here.

Ugh, now I want to rip on "player X" just for sucking so badly. Maybe after the draft is over I'll enjoy the catharsis of insulting him for no reason, at all? I feel like doing it. Maybe we should have a shadow draft in which we try to build an all-time bad team? Of course, the players would have to have played a minimum number of games, but I think we could put together some truly putrid teams even with a 60 game limit (30 for goalies). The "Really Minor League Draft"? I dunno...it's got a nice ring to it. The expansion teams would replace the dynasty Habs as the franchises most often pilfered for talent.

With the first overall pick, the Oakland Seals select a hometown favorite, defenseman Link Gaetz. The fact that he made it to sixty NHL games played is an eternal monument to how crappy the Sharks were in the early years.

MXD
10-19-2007, 07:34 AM
I have HO's pick, should Murphy come around.

Rick Middleton
10-19-2007, 07:38 AM
461 murphy - Edmonton Oilers (at the podium) - 10:20am deadline
462 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens (in the on-deck circle)
463 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways (in the hole)

MXD
10-19-2007, 07:49 AM
461 murphy - Edmonton Oilers (at the podium) - 10:20am deadline
462 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens (in the on-deck circle)
463 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways (in the hole)

Anybody has Hockey Guy 18 pick? 'Cause if he's not around, no need to rush for calling HO's pick.

Rick Middleton
10-19-2007, 08:14 AM
Anybody has Hockey Guy 18 pick? 'Cause if he's not around, no need to rush for calling HO's pick.

Not necessarily. Announcing HO's pick immediately gives those behind him a chance to research their players more if he ends up grabbing the person they have in mind.

Sturminator
10-19-2007, 08:36 AM
Obviously, he wasn't going to score 150 points and win the Selke the same year.

Sergei Fedorov: 93-94

- 56-64-120
- second in league scoring behind Gretzky's 130 points. Third place was Oates at 112 points.
- Hart Trophy
- Selke Trophy

...it boggles the mind. Considering the dip in scoring between Yzerman's heyday and 93-94, I think what Fedorov did that year does equate to Stevie Y scoring 150 points and winning the Selke. If Feds had maintained that level of play for even five years, I'd take him in the first round, but the truth is he only had one other season that rivaled his Hart year, in 95-96 when he went 39-68-107 (10th in league scoring) and won the Selke for his second and last time.

Nevertheless, I think Sergei's almost inhuman peak is arguably the finest season ever played by a forward, and seems to be somewhat overlooked. In my mind, it is rivaled only by Gretzky's 92-120-212 season, though they are great years for completely different reasons. Ironically, both players' teams were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs after their big years.

When I look at Fedorov, I see a guy who is always an elite checking center and a competent offensive player, but who can occasionally take over a game at both ends of the ice in a way that is reminiscent of...no one. The next truly dominant 2-way forward will be compared to Fedorov, but Fedorov, himself, doesn't really have a comparison that does his peak justice right now. Sad that his peak was so short.

MXD
10-19-2007, 09:37 AM
Murphy is technically skipped. HO's on the clock. I won't call his pick unless The Hockey Guy 18 shows up (or HO's, if he wants to change his mind). THG18, if you log in only for a short time, PM me your pick, preferably a list of 3 persons to make sure your pick isn't already drafted.

arrbez
10-19-2007, 09:39 AM
Sergei Fedorov: 93-94

- 56-64-120
- second in league scoring behind Gretzky's 130 points. Third place was Oates at 112 points.
- Hart Trophy
- Selke Trophy

...it boggles the mind. Considering the dip in scoring between Yzerman's heyday and 93-94, I think what Fedorov did that year does equate to Stevie Y scoring 150 points and winning the Selke. If Feds had maintained that level of play for even five years, I'd take him in the first round, but the truth is he only had one other season that rivaled his Hart year, in 95-96 when he went 39-68-107 (10th in league scoring) and won the Selke for his second and last time.

Nevertheless, I think Sergei's almost inhuman peak is arguably the finest season ever played by a forward, and seems to be somewhat overlooked. In my mind, it is rivaled only by Gretzky's 92-120-212 season, though they are great years for completely different reasons. Ironically, both players' teams were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs after their big years.

When I look at Fedorov, I see a guy who is always an elite checking center and a competent offensive player, but who can occasionally take over a game at both ends of the ice in a way that is reminiscent of...no one. The next truly dominant 2-way forward will be compared to Fedorov, but Fedorov, himself, doesn't really have a comparison that does his peak justice right now. Sad that his peak was so short.

I'm not sure you can say Fedorov's peak is the best by a forward. Maybe the least likely to ever happen again (although I can really see Crosby becoming a top-end backchecker in the near future), but I see no reason to put it over any of the truly ridiculous offensive showings Gretzky or Lemieux had.

Mario Lemieux in 1993 is the best season ever played for my money.

God Bless Canada
10-19-2007, 09:46 AM
Sergei Fedorov: 93-94

- 56-64-120
- second in league scoring behind Gretzky's 130 points. Third place was Oates at 112 points.
- Hart Trophy
- Selke Trophy

...it boggles the mind. Considering the dip in scoring between Yzerman's heyday and 93-94, I think what Fedorov did that year does equate to Stevie Y scoring 150 points and winning the Selke. If Feds had maintained that level of play for even five years, I'd take him in the first round, but the truth is he only had one other season that rivaled his Hart year, in 95-96 when he went 39-68-107 (10th in league scoring) and won the Selke for his second and last time.

Nevertheless, I think Sergei's almost inhuman peak is arguably the finest season ever played by a forward, and seems to be somewhat overlooked. In my mind, it is rivaled only by Gretzky's 92-120-212 season, though they are great years for completely different reasons. Ironically, both players' teams were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs after their big years.

When I look at Fedorov, I see a guy who is always an elite checking center and a competent offensive player, but who can occasionally take over a game at both ends of the ice in a way that is reminiscent of...no one. The next truly dominant 2-way forward will be compared to Fedorov, but Fedorov, himself, doesn't really have a comparison that does his peak justice right now. Sad that his peak was so short.
One thing to remember about the Selke's from 93 to 96: It was awarded to the offensive forward who played the best defensive hockey, and not to the best defensive forward in the league. After the debacle that was the 1995-96 vote, the voters put a renewed emphasis on giving to the game's best defensive forward, instead of the offensive player who did a good job at backchecking.

arrbez
10-19-2007, 09:51 AM
I hope hockey_guy shows up in the next couple hours. I've got my pick good to go, so we can fire off three right away

Rick Middleton
10-19-2007, 09:57 AM
Murphy is technically skipped. HO's on the clock. I won't call his pick unless The Hockey Guy 18 shows up (or HO's, if he wants to change his mind). THG18, if you log in only for a short time, PM me your pick, preferably a list of 3 persons to make sure your pick isn't already drafted.

I hope hockey_guy shows up in the next couple hours. I've got my pick good to go, so we can fire off three right away

The_Hockey_Guy_18's last activity was yesterday at 2:12pm. I'd say go ahead and make HO's pick or we'll be sitting here for a while.

MXD
10-19-2007, 10:00 AM
The_Hockey_Guy_18's last activity was yesterday at 2:12pm. I'd say go ahead and make HO's pick or we'll be sitting here for a while.

Let's give a one-hour break to Murphy. That will lead us to 11:20 until I call HO's pick.

MXD
10-19-2007, 10:19 AM
According to the list I received, The Montreal Canadiens selects goaltender Roger Crozier.

Rick Middleton
10-19-2007, 10:20 AM
463 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways (at the podium until 8:20pm)
464 arrbez - Aurora Tigers (in the on-deck circle)
465 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs (in the hole)

Murphy
10-19-2007, 10:27 AM
I have HO's pick, should Murphy come around.

Sorry guys, I messaged HO yesterday and told him to skip me, should have just posted it here yesterday. I'm the opposite of Nayld and have no list! Just carry on with Hockey Guys pick and I'll select soon.

MXD
10-19-2007, 10:28 AM
Sorry guys, I messaged HO yesterday and told him to skip me, should have just posted it here yesterday. I'm the opposite of Nayld and have no list! Just carry on with Hockey Guys pick and I'll select soon.

It's a bit what I did, in fact....
I'd say just go ahead and make your pick. THG18 isn't there anyways.

nik jr
10-19-2007, 10:49 AM
Sergei Fedorov: 93-94

- 56-64-120
- second in league scoring behind Gretzky's 130 points. Third place was Oates at 112 points.
- Hart Trophy
- Selke Trophy

...it boggles the mind. Considering the dip in scoring between Yzerman's heyday and 93-94, I think what Fedorov did that year does equate to Stevie Y scoring 150 points and winning the Selke. If Feds had maintained that level of play for even five years, I'd take him in the first round, but the truth is he only had one other season that rivaled his Hart year, in 95-96 when he went 39-68-107 (10th in league scoring) and won the Selke for his second and last time.

Nevertheless, I think Sergei's almost inhuman peak is arguably the finest season ever played by a forward, and seems to be somewhat overlooked. In my mind, it is rivaled only by Gretzky's 92-120-212 season, though they are great years for completely different reasons. Ironically, both players' teams were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs after their big years.

When I look at Fedorov, I see a guy who is always an elite checking center and a competent offensive player, but who can occasionally take over a game at both ends of the ice in a way that is reminiscent of...no one. The next truly dominant 2-way forward will be compared to Fedorov, but Fedorov, himself, doesn't really have a comparison that does his peak justice right now. Sad that his peak was so short.

part of the reason fedorov never had another season like 94 is because of his TOI. after yzerman's injury, i think fedorov was averaging 28 minutes/game. he was still wanting more TOI in 03.

bowman also had everyone play a more defensive game, after several playoff failures due to poor D, so everyone's numbers went down.

later, fedorov just realized that the regular season wasn't really very important, since detroit was always a lock for the playoffs, and just didn't give 100% most of the time. i didn't mind since he was great in the playoffs.

i remember bowman said basically the same thing as you about fedorov--that he was not really primarily an offensive player, he was a 2 way player; that people were always expecting too much out of him offensively after 94.

Murphy
10-19-2007, 11:02 AM
The Edmonton Oilers select: Phil Goyette

Rick Middleton
10-19-2007, 12:33 PM
463 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways (at the podium until 8:20pm)
464 arrbez - Aurora Tigers (in the on-deck circle)
465 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs (in the hole)

In my best Natalie Portman voice from Star Wars

"HG, you're breaking my heart"

Yes, I'm anxiously awaiting my pick.

vancityluongo
10-19-2007, 12:36 PM
Why isn't he both?

If we're going to credit Jagr for being a 149-point threat and a 123-point threat and a 121-point threat, etc (and use longevity as part of the reason Jagr is better than Neely) ... then why don't you get multiple years of Yzerman or Trottier? Players like Yzerman and Trottier or the aformentioned MacLean, even when they'd "devolved" into checkers, still had offensive talent / instincts / skills that were hard to ignore. Even the broken down old Steve Yzerman was smarter offensively than 90% of the NHL.

Like some of the others have said...Steve Yzerman is not going to be winning Selke's and scoring titles at the same time. In a all-time draft, you'll be getting a Yzerman that is a 90+ point scorer, with above average defensive play. Jagr, being a fairly one-dimensional player, provides his one dimmension - scoring. And IMO, he'd likely be a Top 10 scorer if this draft actually took place.

Before VCL announced his first two picks, raleh and I were discussing them, thinking about trading up. We were thinking that we would love to be in his position. We expected he would get two of Terrible Ted, Trottier and Glenn Hall. Needless to say, we were shocked when Winnipeg went with Jagr and Brodeur.

I think Jagr's a heck of a player. I just wouldn't take him ahead of the No. 2 LW of all-time - a fantastic all-round player and a marvellous leader - or Trottier, who was a fabulous all-round player. But that's also a preference thing. After we picked Bourque, the only players I would have considered alongside Lindsay are Potvin, Esposito, Mikita, Morenz, Robinson and Clarke.

I would argue that Trott's best hockey was in the playoffs from 80 to 83, when he was an excellent two-way forward. But you guys know me: I don't pay much attention to January. Those awards for Trotts in the late 70s are gravy.

Hall and Brodeur is a matter of preference too, IMO. We just liked Brodeur better. Maybe because neither Tricolore nor I have ever seen Hall play, but for whatever reasons we discussed, we took Brodeur as our goalie. Like I said earlier, I missed the boat on Lindsay, which is fully my mistake...if I had the option to repick, I now think I would. Trottier...I knew he was available, and like I said earlier, we planned on building a team with a high-offense, and the best offensive player available at the time was Jaromir Jagr. GBC, I know you aren't the biggest fan of high-offense teams (WCE Canucks??), but our policy was that if we can build a high-power offense, and have a disciplined defense, we should do all right. But in the end, I think it all balances out, and it's a definite matter of preference.

But still, kudos to dd for actually taking time to see that Lindsay was availble...we in Winnipeg definitely are going to look at every available player from now on.

pappyline
10-19-2007, 01:12 PM
463 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways (at the podium until 8:20pm)
464 arrbez - Aurora Tigers (in the on-deck circle)
465 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs (in the hole)

In my best Natalie Portman voice from Star Wars

"HG, you're breaking my heart"

Yes, I'm anxiously awaiting my pick.
Did anybody pm HG. He was on line about an hour ago.

vancityluongo
10-19-2007, 01:38 PM
Did anybody pm HG. He was on line about an hour ago.

Yeah, I just PM'ed him.

vancityluongo
10-19-2007, 04:37 PM
Okay, Tricolore is gone for two weeks to NYC for work, and I'm gonna be gone until about 3:00PM PST tommorow...currently, I have one player in mind, but other then that, I'm blank, because Tricolore just got called in today, and he had to leace right away. So what I'm getting to is, should I leave a one player list with someone, and hope he doesn't get taken, or should I just hope that the gaps between picks continues for another 8 picks...?

EDit:, I'll be here for about another 30 minutes, so I'll be looking for a couple more guys, but please PM me if you can take my list...

vancityluongo
10-19-2007, 04:49 PM
Okay, realized that somebody we were looking at before is still available. Is anybody gonna be here to take my list??

pappyline
10-19-2007, 04:49 PM
Okay, Tricolore is gone for two weeks to NYC for work, and I'm gonna be gone until about 3:00PM PST tommorow...currently, I have one player in mind, but other then that, I'm blank, because Tricolore just got called in today, and he had to leace right away. So what I'm getting to is, should I leave a one player list with someone, and hope he doesn't get taken, or should I just hope that the gaps between picks continues for another 8 picks...?

EDit:, I'll be here for about another 30 minutes, so I'll be looking for a couple more guys, but please PM me if you can take my list...
I will take your list as I pick right after you. What should we do if your one player is gone? Skip you without waiting the 9 hours?

vancityluongo
10-19-2007, 04:55 PM
I can take it.

I will take your list as I pick right after you. What should we do if your one player is gone? Skip you without waiting the 9 hours?

Thanks guys, but I have a trade with VanI to buy me some time...

To New York:

468, 501, 589, 644

To Winnipeg:

483, 526, 539, 560

____________________


VanI to confirm. But still, thanks pappy and VanI.






EdiT: ^ Confirmed VanI.

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 04:59 PM
huh?

476, 477 is your 17th, 18th rounders vancity, aren't they?

vancityluongo
10-19-2007, 05:03 PM
trade deal announcement

to the Jets 18th, 19th, 20th, 20th

to the Raiders 17th, 18th, 22nd, 23rd

vancityluongo to confirm

huh?

476, 477 is your 17th, 18th rounders vancity, aren't they?

Yes and no. EB has 477. I have 476. But I thought I was sending you 468 (The pick coming up in about 8)

It's on the front page, unless BM is mistaken somewhere...

vancityluongo
10-19-2007, 05:09 PM
Yeah, VanI, here's the problem:

vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets trade picks 364, 477 & 532 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 373, 468 & 524

vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets trade picks 421 & 645 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 445 & 501

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 05:12 PM
our deal was gonna be for your next two picks vancity....

bm67, can you unprocess the trade until there is a matching confirmation

sorry for the mix up... we gotta get clear

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 05:19 PM
to the Jets 18th (483rd), 19th (526th), 20th(539th), 20th(560th)

to the Raiders 17th(476th), 18th(477th), 22nd(589th), 23rd(644th)
this is what i agreed to but apparently that's not what's avaliable!

notice how i jump up with two picks and in exchange fall back with two picks

this deal is not possible, hence there's no matching confirmation

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 05:25 PM
to the jets #483, 526, 539, 560

to the raiders 468, 476, 589, 644

vancityluongo to confirm

MXD
10-19-2007, 05:28 PM
to the jets #483, 526, 539, 560

to the raiders 468, 476, 589, 644

vancityluongo to confirm

At least he wasn't trading a player twice.:teach:

vancityluongo
10-19-2007, 05:32 PM
to the jets #483, 526, 539, 560

to the raiders 468, 476, 589, 644

vancityluongo to confirm

Okay, confirmed.

At least he wasn't trading a player twice.:teach:

lol.

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 05:32 PM
At least he wasn't trading a player twice.:teach:
yeah. my mix-up

i said i wanted to move up with two picks and offered to have him drop down to give him more time to pick and not have to leave a list, win-win...

God Bless Canada
10-19-2007, 06:44 PM
The_Hockey_Guy's limit expires at 8:19 p.m. EST. MXD, if you would have announce HO's pick right away, that time limit would have expired by now.

Just a reminder to PM the next GM if you announce another GM's pick. It shouldn't be that hard.

Does anyone have arrbez's list.

Commish, please, a six-hour limit for the last six rounds.

MXD
10-19-2007, 07:00 PM
The_Hockey_Guy's limit expires at 8:19 p.m. EST. MXD, if you would have announce HO's pick right away, that time limit would have expired by now.

Just a reminder to PM the next GM if you announce another GM's pick. It shouldn't be that hard.

Does anyone have arrbez's list.

Commish, please, a six-hour limit for the last six rounds.

I do have Arrbez list.
I had timezone concerns concerning Murphy's pick, so I prefered to give him an hour. Should the same thing had happened to me, I would have liked my fellow GMs to act the same way as I did.
This said, I might leave before Arrbez clock starts.
Can I send it to somebody?

pitseleh
10-19-2007, 07:02 PM
I'll be around MXD.

God Bless Canada
10-19-2007, 07:06 PM
I do have Arrbez list.
I had timezone concerns concerning Murphy's pick, so I prefered to give him an hour. Should the same thing had happened to me, I would have liked my fellow GMs to act the same way as I did.
This said, I might leave before Arrbez clock starts.
Can I send it to somebody?
I'll always give a GM grace if he's around and researching a pick. In fact, I've done it for both the Inmate and mullin. Their time limit was up, but they were on-line and finalizing their selection, so I gave grace. If they weren't around or hanging out in the NHL section, I would have announced my pick on the spot.

pitseleh
10-19-2007, 07:21 PM
arrbez selects D Kevin Hatcher.

God Bless Canada
10-19-2007, 07:36 PM
arrbez selects D Kevin Hatcher.
A big (pun not intended) risk. His upside his terrific, likely better than any defenceman selected in the last two rounds. But if you have Hatcher, you need a good No. 7. He's big. He's strong. He has excellent skill and toughness, and a howitzer shot from the point. And when he's on, he can dominate. He should be a No. 3 defenceman in this draft.

But consistency was never his friend. He could often be a liability defensively. He didn't always make smart plays, especially in his own zone. A guy who failed to fulfill expectations a lot more often than he fulfilled them.

But if he's on, Aurora has an impact defenceman, and a steal, in the 17th round.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-19-2007, 07:38 PM
Why's everyone so antsy-in-the-pantsy about the time limit?

If a GM goes past his 9 hours, he gets skipped and suffers the consequences, or if the next GM chooses to give him a little extra grace period out of his time because of potential extenuating circumstances, or just out of the goodness of his own bloody heart, that's his prerogative.

As far as I know, this ATD is going at least as quickly as the previous one, and life's too short to get so knotted up over something as trivial as a few missed deadlines in an imaginary draft on a hockey message board, especially when the proceedings are going as swimmingly as ever.

In case anyone hasn't already guessed, I'm more than content with the current selection window.

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 07:40 PM
465 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs ON THE CLOCK

466 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels (i have a list from him)
467 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts

pappyline
10-19-2007, 07:50 PM
I would just like to see it move a little faster. These 9 hour stretches are brutal & destroy the momentum. It also has a snowball affect. One guy takes a long time to pick & the next guy gives up & signs off. It especially ticks me off when we wait 9 hours & then the next guy comes on & starts into a 3 hour research project, Maybe I got too much time on my hands but thats the way I feel.I realize some guys don't like leaving lists but leaving a list shows respect for the guys picking after you. Just my opinion.

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 07:53 PM
seven g.m.s have posted a request to shorten the time window

bm67.... please! listen to us little people!

God Bless Canada
10-19-2007, 07:57 PM
Why's everyone so antsy-in-the-pantsy about the time limit?

If a GM goes past his 9 hours, he gets skipped and suffers the consequences, or if the next GM chooses to give him a little extra grace period out of his time because of potential extenuating circumstances, or just out of the goodness of his own bloody heart, that's his prerogative.

As far as I know, this ATD is going at least as quickly as the previous one, and life's too short to get so knotted up over something as trivial as a few missed deadlines in an imaginary draft on a hockey message board, especially when the proceedings are going as swimmingly as ever.

In case anyone hasn't already guessed, I'm more than content with the current selection window.
We're at a similar pace to the last draft, although in recent days we've been going in spurts - extended periods without activity, followed by four picks in an hour, and then more inactivity.

A six-hour limit would really encourage GMs to PM their picks.

Also, let's remember that while there's lots of good talent still out there, there isn't a one-of-a-kind special player on the market. If I didn't get Stanowski in this round, there were a couple similar players. I don't see a reason to trade up or trade down.

If you miss your pick now, you'll still likely be able to get the guy you wanted.

BTW, did LL get a PM that he's up?

pitseleh
10-19-2007, 08:02 PM
BTW, did LL get a PM that he's up?

Yeah, I PMed him after making arrbez's pick.

BlueBleeder
10-19-2007, 08:03 PM
I'll be checking off and on, until midnight or so. I'd like to get both of mine in tongiht.

pappyline
10-19-2007, 08:13 PM
I'll be checking off and on, until midnight or so. I'd like to get both of mine in tongiht.
At this pace, dream on.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-19-2007, 08:19 PM
We're at a similar pace to the last draft, although in recent days we've been going in spurts - extended periods without activity, followed by four picks in an hour, and then more inactivity.

A six-hour limit would really encourage GMs to PM their picks.

Also, let's remember that while there's lots of good talent still out there, there isn't a one-of-a-kind special player on the market. If I didn't get Stanowski in this round, there were a couple similar players. I don't see a reason to trade up or trade down.

If you miss your pick now, you'll still likely be able to get the guy you wanted.

BTW, did LL get a PM that he's up?

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't think that it makes much difference whether we finish a week earlier or not.

Anyone here with a terminal illness? Donating eyes to the blind? Moving to an impoverished nation with no internet access?

I'd just rather not sweat the small stuff - the draft will get done in a relatively timely fashion. I prefer to have a cordial, relaxed atmosphere for this thing instead of a rigid, unrelenting military efficiency.

pappyline
10-19-2007, 08:30 PM
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't think that it makes much difference whether we finish a week earlier or not.

Anyone here with a terminal illness? Donating eyes to the blind? Moving to an impoverished nation with no internet access?

I'd just rather not sweat the small stuff - the draft will get done in a relatively timely fashion. I prefer to have a cordial, relaxed atmosphere for this thing instead of a rigid, unrelenting military efficiency.
OK. I guess your saying: Its 11:00 PM EST. Ready for bed but I am only 1 pick away. Hell with it, I am going to bed without leaving a list. Even though the guy following me is on line & the bext couple are from the Western time zones. But who cares

arrbez
10-19-2007, 09:14 PM
A big (pun not intended) risk. His upside his terrific, likely better than any defenceman selected in the last two rounds. But if you have Hatcher, you need a good No. 7. He's big. He's strong. He has excellent skill and toughness, and a howitzer shot from the point. And when he's on, he can dominate. He should be a No. 3 defenceman in this draft.

But consistency was never his friend. He could often be a liability defensively. He didn't always make smart plays, especially in his own zone. A guy who failed to fulfill expectations a lot more often than he fulfilled them.

But if he's on, Aurora has an impact defenceman, and a steal, in the 17th round.

Yeah, I was looking at the defencemen remaining and thinking to myself that there was a ton of similar steady-as-she-goes types. Guys with Hatcher's skill-set were pretty rare, though. I'm pretty confident that I can find one of these steady individuals to be Hatcher's partner later on in the draft.

What Hatcher gives me is a guy capable of playing bottom pairing in an ATD, but who can also be a monster on both the PP and PK, allowing me to give my top guys a little more rest.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-19-2007, 09:19 PM
OK. I guess your saying: Its 11:00 PM EST. Ready for bed but I am only 1 pick away. Hell with it, I am going to bed without leaving a list. Even though the guy following me is on line & the bext couple are from the Western time zones. But who cares

Meh, it happens. Every once in awhile, people need to go to bed right away. Or do something spontaneous...like go out on a whim on a Friday night.

9 hours is plenty short. If people can't abide by it, they'll be punished by having their times reduced accordingly.

Leaf Lander
10-19-2007, 09:23 PM
im on the clock eh

i should pick within an hr

Leaf Lander
10-19-2007, 09:46 PM
:leafs select

LW, Ilya Kovalchuk

Has awesome offensive instincts and a tremendous shot. Can blow by people with impressive speed, quickness and acceleration. Can dominate in one-on-one situations with defenders.Kovalchuk has outstanding puckhandling skills, scoring ability and plays a tough aggressive style of game.

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 09:55 PM
wisent selects via shortlist: Tumba Johannson

Evil Speaker
10-19-2007, 10:01 PM
The Regina Wildhearts select - Jamie Langenbrunner

God Bless Canada
10-19-2007, 10:02 PM
I hope pappy isn't going anywhere. He's the key to whether this run continues, because we know VanI is going to pick right away.

God Bless Canada
10-19-2007, 10:04 PM
:leafs select

LW, Ilya Kovalchuk
Kovalchuk and Imlach together? Good luck with that one, LL. If you can get them to co-exist, you got yourself a game-breaker.

pappyline
10-19-2007, 10:05 PM
I hope pappy isn't going anywhere. He's the key to whether this run continues, because we know VanI is going to pick right away.
I ain't going anywhere.

Hockey Outsider
10-19-2007, 10:11 PM
...when they did what, and do not assume that I'll get a player who can do two things at once if he didn't do it in real life...

I know I'm jumping into this discussion late, but this is a great point. A player will always maintain his instincts; even somebody like Mark Messier showed some flashes of offensive brilliance during his last full years. But these different peaks shouldn't be combined into one. When it's clear that a player has to trade off one accomplishment for another, we shouldn't pretend they can do both at the same time.

I disagree with what you said about Trottier, he actually was a great defensive player while in his offensive prime. Steve Yzerman definitely had a better offensive peak, and probably had a better defensive peak. But I'd say Trottier's overall peak (looking at offense and defense together, at the same time) is better than Yzerman's.

Still, a lot of player's contributions after their primes are forgotten. Yvan Cournoyer captained the Habs' 1976-1979 Stanley Cup victories by turning into a two-way player known for smart positional defense and veteran leadership. Few remember that.

According to the list I received, The Montreal Canadiens selects goaltender Roger Crozier.

Thanks MXD for making my pick (and Doctordark for sending it to him). I'll do a full write-up later, but I'm glad to have a Conn Smythe-winning goalie as my backup. With over 500 games to his credit (including a career-high of 70 games in a season), Crozier will allow Broda to get used to the rigours of a longer schedule.

Sorry guys, I messaged HO yesterday and told him to skip me, should have just posted it here yesterday. I'm the opposite of Nayld and have no list! Just carry on with Hockey Guys pick and I'll select soon.

Sorry Murphy, I just got home from work and I had no internet access there.

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 10:12 PM
I ain't going anywhere so sometimes I get so pissed off I feel like it,
pappyline can pick before me NOW

i wanna make back-to-back picks

pappyline
10-19-2007, 10:19 PM
pappyline can pick before me NOW

i wanna make back-to-back picks
Biltmore picxk RW Jerry Toppazzini

A great 2 way player. Played point on the Bruins PP in the late 50's & was a penalty killer par execellennce. Set a record for short handed goals with 7 in 57-58.

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 10:20 PM
Biltmore picxk RW Jerry Toppazzinii... played point on the Bruins PP in the late '50s
do you have a link? or do you remember that? ;)

pappyline
10-19-2007, 10:31 PM
http://www.meteormart.com/blank?pageid=5&catstart=0&prodstart=0do you have a link? or do you remember that? ;)
Topper" was a 5'11" 180 pound 2nd line right winger that also played the point on the #2 Power Play unit. He was born in Copper Cliff, Ontario on July 29, 1931 and was bounced from Boston, to Chicago, then to Detroit only to get back to Boston before his 4th season was finished in 1956. He would open his 59-60 campaign coming off of his 2nd consecutive season with 20+ goals (21) and 40+ points (44). He was also used on the top Penalty Killing unit.
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VanIslander
10-19-2007, 11:19 PM
http://www.logoserver.com/hockey/NewYorkRaiders.GIF

John "Pie" McKenzie

http://www.beehivehockey.com/images/player_images_group3/johnmckenzie3.jpg

...a pesky, relentless hustler

But the 5'9 grunt was much more than just that, a fact that wasn't obvious until he joined the Boston Bruins. In his early thirties he finally got to show what he could do:

1967-68 Boston Bruins NHL 74 games, 28 goals, 66 points, 107 PIM +14
1968-69 Boston Bruins NHL 60 games, 29 goals, 56 points, 99 PIM +13
1969-70 Boston Bruins NHL 72 games, 29 goals, 70 points, 114 PIM +20
1970-71 Boston Bruins NHL 65 games, 31 goals, 77 points, 120 PIM +27
1971-72 Boston Bruins NHL 77 games, 22 goals, 69 points, 126 PIM +19

http://hfboards.com/imagehosting/214484717fe99a6fb5.jpg (http://hfboards.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=9576)

The winger played in the 1970 and 1972 all-star game and was selected to play in the 1971 all-star game but got a minor injury and had to sit out. He was a second team all-star in 1970 (voted 2nd best right winger in the NHL that season) and was a third team all-star (on HO's analysis of voting) another season.

More importantly, he was one of the top point producers on two championship Bruins teams:

17 points in 14 playoff games in the 1970 postseason successful Cup run
17 points in 15 playoff games in the 1972 postseason successful Cup run

** The right wing 'pest' was third in assists in both championship runs, trailing only dman Orr and centre Esposito.

Here's a sign of what a pest he could be:

A notorious incident took place immediately after the Bruins defeated the Rangers in six games in the Stanley Cup finals in the latter year (winning the clinching game on the Rangers' home ice at Madison Square Garden), McKenzie skated to center ice, raised one arm in a Statue of Liberty pose, placing his other hand around his neck, making a "choke" gesture (alluding to the fact that the result of the series had left the Rangers still looking for their first Stanley Cup championship since 1940), then jumping up and down in a circle several times. This became known as the "McKenzie Choke Dance," or simply the "choke dance."

Insulted at not being protected in an expansion draft after the cups, 36-year-old McKenzie then jumped to the lucrative WHA and scored 413 points in 477 games before retiring as a 42 year old, the 16th highest scorer in WHA history.

In the 1974 Summit Series he scored 5 points in the 8 games against the Soviets.

He is cited as "one of the most beloved Bruins ever" and that might explain why nearby Hartford decided as a PR move to retire the number of a player who technically never played for the NHL's Hartford organization:

http://www.whalershockey.com/whalermania/images/photos/photomaginsert_mckenzie.jpg

Roger's Pancreas*
10-19-2007, 11:30 PM
I forwarded Rick's picks to VanIslander because I'm going to bed. Peace.

Leaf Lander
10-19-2007, 11:54 PM
Kovalchuk and Imlach together? Good luck with that one, LL. If you can get them to co-exist, you got yourself a game-breaker.

i checked on kovalchuks dressing room behaviour and found nothing


now if we checked on your previous behaviour record here in the draft Im sure a pattern would be noticed.

VanIslander
10-19-2007, 11:59 PM
http://www.logoserver.com/hockey/NewYorkRaiders.GIF

Ivan Hlinka

http://hfboards.com/imagehosting/thum_214484715efea29cfa.jpg

Hlinka captained the Czechoslovakian team which won gold at the 1977 World Championships and he was a valuable contributor to both previous golds that decade ('76 and '72) against excellent Soviet teams.

On the ice, Hlinka's excellent physique and great stickhandling often led him to generate his own plays, but he could also work well with his teammates to create opportunities. A natural leader, he gave the play purpose. He was an infallible scorer with his wrist shot and a master of both long and short passes.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=12958

The 6'2, 220 lbs centre was very successful at surging in and scoring from the slot though he showed me personally his surprising mobility and passing ability late in his career, in his thirties, as a Vancouver Canuck, scoring 123 points in 137 NHL games.

He is a character guy through and through, smart and well respected, and an asset to the dressing room.

(He is a Top-300 player of all time no doubt and clearly (I hope) only dropped to 470th due to the glut of scoring centres and the needs at other positions. Shero's Raiders isn't a typical two scoring line, two checking line team so Hlinka fits in well as pivot of his own line, a line which will see 20-30% of the regular shift ice time, depending)

VanIslander
10-20-2007, 12:02 AM
rickmiddleton listpicks John Vanbiesbrouck, G

Sturminator
10-20-2007, 01:49 AM
I disagree with what you said about Trottier, he actually was a great defensive player while in his offensive prime. Steve Yzerman definitely had a better offensive peak, and probably had a better defensive peak. But I'd say Trottier's overall peak (looking at offense and defense together, at the same time) is better than Yzerman's.

Oh, I wasn't knocking Trots. He was still an excellent offensive force after he developed into a 2-way player (and he was still very much in his prime), but he was no longer an Art Ross candidate. That's all I was trying to point out. Agree that Trots was better than Yzerman, though I'm not convinced he was better than Milt Schmidt.

Still, a lot of player's contributions after their primes are forgotten. Yvan Cournoyer captained the Habs' 1976-1979 Stanley Cup victories by turning into a two-way player known for smart positional defense and veteran leadership. Few remember that.

This is an excellent point. It's not only Yzerman and Siebert (I don't include Trottier because he was still early in his prime when he changed his game) who have made significant and different contributions later in their careers. Many players have brought another aspect to their games as they got on in years and experience and looking at the whole career as opposed to just the peak is exactly my philosophy.

ck26
10-20-2007, 04:43 AM
Ask the folks from Shawinigan Falls, Quebec, and they'll tell you Jean Pronovost is much better than the 472nd best player in NHL history, and their word is good enough for Dallas management.

He should also be a nice fit on the CPHL's Blackhawks, having spent two years playing for the archrival Oklahoma City Blazers, winning one Adams Cup in the process.

John Flyers Fan
10-20-2007, 07:56 AM
The Flin Flon Bombers select - LW - Valeri Kamensky

For a stretch arguably the best LW in the world, and certainly a top 5 LW during the late 80's and early 90's.

Also a proven big game performer.

4 time Soviet League Champion
1 Olympic Gold, 1 Olympic Silver
Soviet Player of the year
Stanley Cup Champion

Back to back 20 point playoffs in the NHL.

Soviet's best player during Rendevous 87

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=915057165696620361&q=kamensky&total=63&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2895127535097020637 (Knocking out Ulfie)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2895127535097020637 (Brilliant tying goal late in game 2, 87 Canada Cup)



IMO just too good a player to be passed up at this point. He'll look awful nice playing alongside the duo from Tampa.

Krutov - Larionov - Makarov
LeClair - Clarke - Recchi
Kamensky - LeCavalier - St. Louis

Goals will come.

John Flyers Fan
10-20-2007, 08:09 AM
I will be around all day if anyone needs to PM picks.

MXD
10-20-2007, 08:10 AM
If EagleBelfour is on the clock before 16:00 EST, please PM me instead. I got his pick.

Rick Middleton
10-20-2007, 08:30 AM
rickmiddleton listpicks John Vanbiesbrouck, G

The Gwinnett Gladiators are proud to select, from Detroit, Michigan

JVB, G
http://users.aol.com/maskman31/beezer.jpg

A 4 time All-Star, one-time winner of the Vezina Trophy, runner up to both the Vezina and the Hart Trophy, and sole reason for the early-year Florida Panther's run to the Cup, JVB is the perfect back-up goalie. The Gladiators now have the flying V's in net with Vezina and Vanbiesbrouck.

Records

Holds Florida Panthers all-time record for most games played by a goaltender (268).
Holds Florida Panthers all-time record for second most wins by a goaltender (106).
Holds all time record for most wins as an American born goaltender (374).

VanIslander
10-20-2007, 08:39 AM
The Beezer was not happy being a backup but he did it.
And he sure demonstrated clutch play.

Awesome pick.

MXD
10-20-2007, 08:41 AM
The Gwinnett Gladiators are proud to select, from Detroit, Michigan

JVB, G
http://users.aol.com/maskman31/beezer.jpg

A 4 time All-Star, one-time winner of the Vezina Trophy, runner up to both the Vezina and the Hart Trophy, and sole reason for the early-year Florida Panther's run to the Cup, JVB is the perfect back-up goalie. The Gladiators now have the flying V's in net with Vezina and Vanbiesbrouck.

Records

Holds Florida Panthers all-time record for most games played by a goaltender (268).
Holds Florida Panthers all-time record for second most wins by a goaltender (106).
Holds all time record for most wins as an American born goaltender (374).


Terrific pick for a backup -- one of the best available (of ALL backups) and you got it around midways through backup selecting.

Roger's Pancreas*
10-20-2007, 09:39 AM
I will be around all day if anyone needs to PM picks.John, the GTG is still just him toying around with that POS Samuelsson.

BlueBleeder
10-20-2007, 09:52 AM
St Louis is pleased to select G - Mike Liut

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-20-2007, 10:26 AM
The Portage Plains are happy to add a huge man for his time (6'1", 200 lbs), a player who captained and played a huge part in hockey's first dynasty (of sorts), the Bytown Slugger...

Harvey Pulford

Perhaps only Lionel Conacher was as fine an all-around athlete as Pulford, a man who played many sports for many years, a champion in everything he tried. In football, he played 16 years for the Rough riders, winning four Dominion championships at the turn of the 20th century. In eight years of lacrosse, he was champion four times. From 1896 to 1898 he was the lightweight and then heavyweight boxing champ for eastern Canada, and in paddling and rowing he won almost too many titles to name.

It was as a hockey player, though, that he won his greatest fame and glory, playing the game for some 17 years with Ottawa, his adopted home. Most significantly, Pulford anchored the Silver Seven defence when the team won 3 Stanley Cups, in 1902, 1904, and 1905, withstanding several challenges along the way. He was a leader and tremendous bodychecker, tough as nails but sporting and gentlemanly to boot.

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In 1901 he altered his style of play from merely flipping the puck out of his own end to carrying the puck up the ice toward the opposing team's net. During the period 1902 to 1905, Pulford captained the Ottawa Hockey Club, which came to be known as the Silver Seven. His partnership with XXXX proved to be a formidable barrier to onrushing forwards. This team dominated the Canadian Amateur Hockey League and the Federal Amateur Hockey League while winning or defending the Stanley Cup several times between 1903 and 1905.

The 1905 season brought the Ottawa club the championship of the FAHL. In January of that year they suppressed the Cup ambitions of the Dawson City squad by an aggregate score of 32-4. Two months later, in one of Pulford's greatest performances, Ottawa survived a clash with the highly skilled Rat Portage outfit. The challengers from Ontario's northwest dominated the opening match, but Ottawa equalized two days later to set the stage for a memorable deciding game. Pulford, who was instructed to throw his weight around throughout the contest, was superb against the speedy Rat Portage forwards in a 5-4 Ottawa victory.

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VanIslander
10-20-2007, 10:59 AM
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Marian Hossa

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An 8+ year career of two-way excellence against the opposition's top line and on the penalty kill. Hossa has 272 goals, 585 points in 633 NHL games with a +/- of +96 and an impressive 86 powerplay goals and 44 game winners. He also has had more takeaways than any other forward in the last three years combined of his NHL career (to date). Moreover, he averages 80-90 hits per season.

1999-2000 Senators 78 29 27 56
2000-2001 Senators 81 32 43 75
2001-2002 Senators 80 31 35 66
2002-2003 Senators 80 45 35 80
2003-2004 Senators 81 36 46 82
2005-2006 Thrashers 80 39 53 92
2006-2007 Thrashers 82 43 57 100

He played excellent in the only two playoff series his team had won, with 10 points in 12 games in the 2002 playoffs and 16 points in 18 games the following postseason.

Internationally he has tallied 15 goals for Slovakia after several world championships and had two great Olympics:

* Tied for third in goals, fifth in points in the 2002 Olympics with 4 goals and six points, with remarkably only 2 games played.

** Tied for third in scoring in the 2006 Olympics with 5 goals, 10 points in 6 games and had the highest plus-minus in the tourney with +9.

Starting his NHL career with an expansion NHL team, being traded to another new team, and playing for Slovakia internationally had limited his chances of being on championship teams but it didn't impede him from exceling in all aspects of the game.

MXD
10-20-2007, 11:03 AM
Here I am calling EB's pick.


With our 17th selection, the 277th overall in this All-Time Draft, the Detroit Falcons are happy to select: LW Gilles Tremblay

(I think it's 477, though)


Left-winger Gilles Tremblay was a fine two-way player for the Montreal Canadiens in the 1960s. He recorded five 20-goal seasons and was a solid member of four Stanley Cup teams. The slick forward hit the 20-goal mark five times and helped Montreal win the Stanley Cup in 1965, 1966, 1968, and 1969. In 1961-62, he set a career-high with 32 goals while teaming with Jean Beliveau and Bernie Geoffrion. Tremblay was a steady performer who could contribute on both specialty teams. He retired after playing 44 games for Montreal in 1968-69. Tremblay's playing career was cut short by a serious asthmatic condition, but he stayed close to the game.
Originally Posted by HHOF


Left-winger Gilles Tremblay was a fine two-way player for the Montreal Canadiens in the 1960s. He recorded five 20-goal seasons and was a solid member of four Stanley Cup teams. The slick forward hit the 20-goal mark five times and helped Montreal win the Stanley Cup in 1965, 1966, 1968, and 1969. In 1961-62, he set a career-high with 32 goals while teaming with Jean Beliveau and Bernie Geoffrion. Tremblay was a steady performer who could contribute on both specialty teams. He retired after playing 44 games for Montreal in 1968-69. Tremblay's playing career was cut short by a serious asthmatic condition, but he stayed close to the game.

A very fast skater, Gilles gives his ''check'' a clean shot and his value as a defensive forward places him high on the Canadiens roster.
Originally Posted by 1967-68 Topps Hockey Card (Gotta find info where you can)

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-20-2007, 11:55 AM
The Plains are curious as to what engineered the precipitous ATD fall (#362 in ATD 7 to #478 in ATD 8) of their new strapping 4th line LW; a 5-time Cup winner and 1-time Cup-winning goal scorer, great playoff performer, and unassuming leader - none other than...

Harry Percival Watson

God Bless Canada
10-20-2007, 12:36 PM
The Plains are curious as to what engineered the precipitous ATD fall (#362 in ATD 7 to #478 in ATD 8) of their new strapping 4th line LW; a 5-time Cup winner and 1-time Cup-winning goal scorer, great playoff performer, and unassuming leader - none other than...

Harry Percival Watson
Great pick. We actually thought long about him when we pick Hull to be our second line LW. Likely the best player available. Only qualm about him is that he wasn't physical at all, in fact, he once had a zero PIM season. Which is why when we picked Hull, he went to our list for potential 13th forwards. We had Tik for our two-way line, and Watson doesn't exactly fit the direction for our fourth line.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
10-20-2007, 12:47 PM
Great pick. We actually thought long about him when we pick Hull to be our second line LW. Likely the best player available. Only qualm about him is that he wasn't physical at all, in fact, he once had a zero PIM season. Which is why when we picked Hull, he went to our list for potential 13th forwards. We had Tik for our two-way line, and Watson doesn't exactly fit the direction for our fourth line.

Yeah, he doesn't generally fit into the tough and belligerent mold I've tried to give my team, but I couldn't pass up the value at this point. Apps had a 0 PIM season too, and it didn't hurt his stock too much.

He's a bigger guy though, so I can't imagine him getting manhandled by anyone, and Spitfire did mention something about him being a great fighter in ATD 7. Not sure if he was misinformed or if Watson was just one of those gentle giants (well, not "giant"...you get the picture) who rarely chose to drop the gloves, but that's what he posted. I'll have to do a little extra research.

vancityluongo
10-20-2007, 01:23 PM
Here I am calling EB's pick.


With our 17th selection, the 277th overall in this All-Time Draft, the Detroit Falcons are happy to select: LW Gilles Tremblay

(I think it's 477, though)



Originally Posted by HHOF





Originally Posted by 1967-68 Topps Hockey Card (Gotta find info where you can)

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Gah, I shouldn't have made that trade with VanI...why didn't I just send him my pick...blast!

BlueBleeder
10-20-2007, 02:13 PM
St Louis selects D Dave Babych

Frightened Inmate #2
10-20-2007, 02:19 PM
An 8+ year career of two-way excellence against the opposition's top line and on the penalty kill.
Two-way excellence? On the Penalty Kill? Last year he averaged just over two minutes on the PK, which really is nothing to write home about and certainly offers little to nothing as proof of "two way excellence".


Hossa has 272 goals, 585 points in 633 NHL games with a +/- of +96 and an impressive 86 powerplay goals and 44 game winners. He also has had more takeaways than any other forward in the last three years combined of his NHL career (to date). Moreover, he averages 80-90 hits per season.

Hits and takeaways/giveaways are the most subjective stats out there, especially hits. I was talking to a statistician who works for the Coyotes this past summer and really the way that it works is that employees will inflate numbers such as hits for one reason or another... Hossa is not a physical player no matter what the stats that you pull out say.


1999-2000 Senators 78 29 27 56
2000-2001 Senators 81 32 43 75
2001-2002 Senators 80 31 35 66
2002-2003 Senators 80 45 35 80
2003-2004 Senators 81 36 46 82
2005-2006 Thrashers 80 39 53 92
2006-2007 Thrashers 82 43 57 100

He played excellent in the only two playoff series his team had won, with 10 points in 12 games in the 2002 playoffs and 16 points in 18 games the following postseason.


He was also a huge part of teams that choked in the playoffs. He was unable to put the points on the board when it really mattered and look at all the scouting reports on him, they all say the same thing, that he needs to prove something in the playoffs. I wouldn't call him a choker but I will say that he has been unable to prove anything in the playoffs to date.


Internationally he has tallied 15 goals for Slovakia after several world championships and had two great Olympics:

* Tied for third in goals, fifth in points in the 2002 Olympics with 4 goals and six points, with remarkably only 2 games played.

** Tied for third in scoring in the 2006 Olympics with 5 goals, 10 points in 6 games and had the highest plus-minus in the tourney with +9.


What makes the 2002 Olympics even more remarkable was the fact that he did that when his team didn't win a single game (except for the 13th place game against France) and didn't make it out of the qualifying division. He was able to put up points against Latvia, Austria and Germany... sorry if I am not as enthused as you are.

And using the world hockey championships as any justification - you might as well draft Anson Carter.

Also look into it and I think he had a 5 point game against Latvia in the 2006 Olympics, which is the problem with many Olympic stats as I don't really see the accomplishment in beating an obviously inferior team.


Starting his NHL career with an expansion NHL team, being traded to another new team, and playing for Slovakia internationally had limited his chances of being on championship teams but it didn't impede him from exceling in all aspects of the game.

He stated with Ottawa in 1998-99... they were 6 years removed from expansion status and were one of the teams on the rise at the time, in no small part due to Hossa I admit but it isn't as though he walked onto a piss-poor situation in the least.

I don't think he is a bad selection - but your hyperboles of all of your players are laughable when you get past the first line.

John Flyers Fan
10-20-2007, 02:37 PM
Flin Flon adds a gritty, clutch all-around winger to play along side Dale Hunter on our 4th line.

Stanley cup Champion
4 time Stanley Cup Finalist

3 OT series clinching goals, an NHL record

Martin Gelinas

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God Bless Canada
10-20-2007, 02:53 PM
I have cottonking's pick. The Dallas Blackhawks are pleased to select a tantalizingly talented offensive defenceman, a former Stanley Cup champion and a first-team all-star in both the NHL and the Betty Ford League: D Sandis Ozolinsh.

EagleBelfour
10-20-2007, 03:14 PM
With our 17th selection, the 277th overall in this All-Time Draft, the Detroit Falcons are happy to select: LW Gilles Tremblay


Thanks for announcing my pick MXD. Playing alongside Ralph Backstrom and Claude Provost on our third line, this line will give us tremendous speed, determination, forechecking abilities, defensive awareness and will be, in our opinion, the toughess line to score against in this draft.

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EagleBelfour
10-20-2007, 04:16 PM
I'm looking to have another pick in the top-500. I actually have pick 531. If you have any interess, PM me.

Rick Middleton
10-20-2007, 04:41 PM
Continuing with our motto of speed kills, the Gwinnett Gladiators are proud to select, from Peabody, Massachusetts, the first U.S. Citizen to be drafted into the National Hockey League directly out of high school

Bobby Carpenter, LW


Selected third overall in the 1981 NHL Entry Draft out of St. John's Preparatory School in Danvers, Massachusetts, Carpenter was called the "Can't-Miss Kid" in the February 23, 1981 issue of Sports Illustrated. During his first tour with the Capitals, he would have his best season statistics-wise during the 1984-85 NHL season when he scored 53 goals and 42 assists and was the first US born player to do so. He was invited to play in the 1985 NHL All-Star game and he also participated in the 1984 Canada Cup as a member of Team USA.

Carpenter was traded to the Boston Bruins during the 1988-89 NHL season, and a year later he would help guide the Bruins to the NHL Stanley Cup Finals. Interestingly enough, the Bruins defeated his former team the Capitals in the semifinals. By this time in his career, Carpenter was contributing more as a defensive-minded center than the high-scoring superstar that he was once projected to be

LapierreSports
10-20-2007, 04:44 PM
Left my pick with GBC. No big suprises as I will be drafting the LW of my 3rd line.

God Bless Canada
10-20-2007, 05:02 PM
Did VCL send a list to anyone?

EagleBelfour
10-20-2007, 05:10 PM
Did VCL send a list to anyone?

Dosn't seem like it! Would have like to pick before I go. Guess I'll have to send a list yet again!!!


Left my pick with GBC. No big suprises as I will be drafting the LW of my 3rd line.

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