All-Time Draft #8, Part V

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BM67
11-04-2007, 02:22 PM
All-Time Draft, Part I (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=418111)

All-Time Draft, Part II (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=422263)

All-Time Draft #8, Part III (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=426811)

All-Time Draft #8, Part IV (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=431271)

The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards, a coach and 3 extra players.

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed.

The time limit is 9 hours. Dropping by 1 hour for each skipped pick. If you miss 2 picks you become eligible for replacement.

You must PM the next GM after your selection.

GMs with reduced time limits

Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - 7 hours
seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - 7 hours
Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - 5 hours
LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - 4 hours
Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - 6 hours
murphy - Edmonton Oilers - 7 hours
The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - 7 hours
vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - 7 hours
BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - 8 hours
doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - 8 hours
Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - 8 hours
Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - 7 hours
shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - 8 hours

Any player from any league or era are eligible, but their selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future.

Draft Order

Round #1
1 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Orr
2 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Wayne Gretzky
3 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Gordie Howe
4 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mario Lemieux
5 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Bobby Hull
6 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Maurice Richard
7 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Eddie Shore
8 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jean Beliveau
9 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Doug Harvey
10 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Guy Lafleur
11 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Ray Bourque
12 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Mark Messier
13 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Plante
14 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Denis Potvin
15 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Patrick Roy
16 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Phil Esposito
17 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
18 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Red Kelly
19 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nicklas Lidstrom
20 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Stan Mikita
21 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Terry Sawchuk
22 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dominik Hasek
23 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Howie Morenz
24 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Larry Robinson
25 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Bobby Clarke
26 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Steve Yzerman
27 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ken Dryden
28 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Jaromir Jagr

Round #2
29 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Martin Brodeur
30 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Ted Lindsay
31 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Glenn Hall
32 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Viacheslav Fetisov
33 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Trottier
34 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Valery Kharlamov
35 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Scott Stevens
36 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Joe Sakic
37 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Milt Schmidt
38 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bill Durnan
39 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Brad Park
40 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Al MacInnis
41 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Chris Chelios
42 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Paul Coffey
43 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Turk Broda
44 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tim Horton
45 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Dit Clapper
46 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Johnny Bower
47 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Pierre Pilote
48 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bernie Geoffrion
49 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Billy Smith
50 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Bernie Parent
51 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Jari Kurri
52 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Earl Seibert
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Charlie Conacher
54 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Bill Cook
55 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Brian Leetch
56 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Chris Pronger

Round #3
57 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Scott Niedermayer
58 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Brett Hull
59 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Sprague Cleghorn
60 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Clint Benedict
61 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Mahovlich
62 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Dickie Moore
63 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Henri Richard
64 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Peter Forsberg
65 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Ted Kennedy
66 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Syl Apps Sr.
67 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Max Bentley
68 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Vladislav Tretiak
69 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
70 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Newsy Lalonde
71 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Joe Malone
72 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - King Clancy
73 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Borge Salming
74 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Andy Bathgate
75 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Marcel Dionne
76 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Frank Brimsek
77 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Gilbert Perreault
78 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Bill Gadsby
79 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Sergei Fedorov
80 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Fred "Cyclone" Taylor
81 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Grant Fuhr
82 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Rod Langway
83 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Jack "Blackjack" Stewart
84 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Aurel Joliat

Round #4
85 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Serge Savard
86 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Elmer Lach
87 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Peter Stastny
88 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Sergei Makarov
89 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Chuck Gardiner
90 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jiri Holocek
91 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Guy Lapointe
92 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Butch Bouchard
93 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - George Hainsworth
94 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nels Stewart
95 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Boris Mikhailov
96 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ed Belfour
97 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Valeri Vasiliev
98 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dale Hawerchuk
99 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Lionel “Big Train” Conacher
100 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Brendan Shanahan
101 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Johnny Bucyk
102 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Cam Neely
103 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Hector "Toe" Blake
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Laperriere
105 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mark Howe
106 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ron Francis
107 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bill Quackenbush
108 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Frank Boucher
109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Pronovost
110 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Rob Blake
111 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Cecil "Tiny" Thompson
112 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Tony Esposito

Round #5
113 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Busher Jackson
114 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Eric Lindros
115 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Gerry Cheevers
116 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Yvan Cournoyer
117 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Sid Abel
118 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Dave Keon
119 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Reardon
120 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Ebenezer "Ebbie" Goodfellow
121 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Doug Gilmour
122 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Guy Carbonneau
123 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Doug Bentley
124 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Alex Delvecchio
125 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Vladimir Konstantinov
126 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - George "Buck" Boucher
127 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Tom Johnson
128 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Adam Oates
129 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darryl Sittler
130 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Lorne "Gump" Worsley
131 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Cy Denneny
132 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Teemu Selanne
133 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pavel Bure
134 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Walter "Babe" Pratt
135 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Igor Larionov
136 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Larry Murphy
137 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Alexei Kasatonov
138 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Gartner
139 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Norm Ullman
140 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Pat LaFontaine

Round #6
141 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Luc Robitaille
142 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Roy Conacher
143 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Lanny McDonald
144 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Bill Cowley
145 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Mike Modano
146 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Steve Shutt
147 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Carl Brewer
148 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - J.C. Tremblay
149 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Doug Wilson
150 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Frank Nighbor
151 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Anatoli Firsov
152 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Sundin
153 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Fern Flaman
154 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jean Ratelle
155 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Harry Howell
156 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Leo Boivin
157 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Aleksandr Maltsev
158 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Allan Stanley
159 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Ching Johnson
160 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Vaclav Nedomansky
161 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Harry "Punch" Broadbent
162 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Jere Lehtinen
163 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Sergei Zubov
164 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Art Ross
165 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jarome Iginla
166 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Bill White
167 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Red Horner
168 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bert Olmstead

Round #7
169 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Clark Gillies
170 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Sylvio Mantha
171 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Albert "Babe" Siebert
172 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Claude Provost
173 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - David "Sweeney" Schriner
174 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bill Barber
175 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Marty Pavelich
176 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Brian Propp
177 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Doug "Diesel" Mohns
178 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Vladimir Petrov
179 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Esa Tikkanen
180 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Michel Goulet
181 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Lemaire
182 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pat Stapleton
183 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Adam Foote
184 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Alexander Ragulin
185 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gary Suter
186 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Syd Howe
187 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Joe Primeau
188 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Joe Nieuwendyk
189 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Denis Savard
190 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Rod Brind'Amour
191 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Paul Kariya
192 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Randy Carlyle
193 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Vladimir Krutov
194 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Markus Naslund
195 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Richard Martin
196 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Phil Housley

Round #8
197 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Rod Gilbert
198 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - John Tonelli
199 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Glenn Anderson
200 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Eric Desjardins
201 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Craig Ramsay
202 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Scotty Bowman, coach
203 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dino Ciccarelli
204 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Eddie Gerard
205 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Woody Dumart
206 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Babe Dye
207 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Nikolai Sologubov
208 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jimmy Thomson
209 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Harry Cameron
210 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Rick Tocchet
211 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Hooley Smith
212 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Butch Goring
213 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Theoren Fleury
214 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - George "The Chief" Armstrong
215 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Hextall Sr
216 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Art Coulter
217 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Claude Lemieux
218 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Bob Goldham
219 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Brent Sutter
220 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Vsevolod Bobrov
221 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day
222 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ed Westfall
223 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Danny Gare
224 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dave Andreychuk

Round #9
225 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Kevin Stevens
226 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Jan Suchy
227 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Hod Stuart
228 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bobby Baun
229 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Tim Kerr
230 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Frantisek Pospisil
231 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Patrik Elias
232 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Joe Hall
233 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Bill Mosienko
234 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Alexander Yakushev
235 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Gus Mortson
236 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Derian Hatcher
237 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Rick Middleton
238 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Doug Jarvis
239 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Irvine "Ace" Bailey
240 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Wayne Cashman
241 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gary Roberts
242 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels -Pete Mahovlich
243 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Joel Otto
244 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Joe Mullen
245 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Steve Larmer
246 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Don Luce
247 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Herb Gardiner
248 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ernie "Moose" Johnson
249 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Eddie Giacomin
250 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Brian Sutter
251 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Sidney Crosby
252 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Bobby Smith

Round #10
253 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Terry Harper
254 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Didier Pitre
255 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Elmer 'Moose' Vasko
256 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Mark Recchi
257 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ken Morrow
258 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Anders Hedberg
259 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Darragh
260 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Flash Hollett
261 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Brad McCrimmon
262 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Wendel Clark
263 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Georges Vezina
264 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Zdeno Chara
265 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ken Hodge
266 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Bobby Bauer
267 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Ulf Samuelsson
268 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean-Guy Talbot
269 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Vladimir Lutchenko
270 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Terrible Ted Green
271 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Kevin Lowe
272 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Chuck Rayner
273 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Bobby Nystrom
274 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Paul Thompson
275 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Reggie Leach
276 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Reed Larson
277 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Joe Thornton
278 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Marty Barry
279 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Cecil Dillon
280 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mickey MacKay

Round #11
281 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Walker
282 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Bernie Federko
283 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Frank Foyston
284 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Ed Litzenberger
285 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ott Heller
286 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Alex Connell
287 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bob Pulford
288 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Bob Bourne
289 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Sid Smith
290 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Vincent Damphousse
291 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Buddy O'Connor
292 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ralph Backstrom
293 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Lemaire, coach
294 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Rob Ramage
295 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Al Iafrate
296 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Rogie Vachon
297 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Richter
298 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Daniel Alfredsson
299 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Dick Duff
300 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Terry O'Reilly
301 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Walt Tkaczuk
302 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Vyacheslav Starshinov
303 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Peter Bondra
304 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Harry Lumley
305 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Dale Hunter
306 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Lennart Svedberg
307 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Bun Cook
308 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Mike Peca

Round #12
309 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Barclay Plager
310 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Toe Blake, coach
311 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jeremy Roenick
312 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - John Leclair
313 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Kirk Muller
314 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Pat Verbeek
315 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Rick MacLeish
316 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Reg Noble
317 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gordie Drillon
318 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Sergei Gonchar
319 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Dirk Graham
320 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Rick Vaive
321 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Herbie Lewis
322 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Kent Nilsson
323 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Dean Prentice
324 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Alexander Mogilny
325 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Trevor Linden
326 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Dave Taylor
327 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Craig MacTavish
328 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Neil Colville
329 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Craig Ludwig
330 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Mike Ramsey
331 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Phil Watson
332 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Billy Burch
333 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Al Arbour, coach
334 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jim Schoenfeld
335 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Tom Phillips
336 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Crawford

Round #13
337 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Cy Wentworth
338 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Si Griffis
339 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Tony Leswick
340 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Vic Hadfield
341 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Alf Smith
342 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Ron Ellis
343 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Linseman
344 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mats Naslund
345 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Don Marshall
346 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Brian Bellows
347 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Tommy Ivan, coach
348 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Bobby Holik
349 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Craig Hartsburg
350 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Rousseau
351 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Neal Broten
352 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Joe Klukay
353 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Keith Tkachuk
354 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Teppo Numminen
355 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bernie Nicholls
356 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Alexander Ovechkin
357 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Barry Beck
358 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Fred Shero, coach
359 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Martin St. Louis
360 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Dany Heatley
361 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Derek Sanderson
362 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jiri Bubla
363 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Larry Aurie
364 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - John Ferguson

Round #14
365 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Lester Patrick, coach
366 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Lorne Chabot
367 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Owen Nolan
368 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Vincent LeCavalier
369 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Clarence "Taffy" Abel
370 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Steve Smith
371 VanIslander - New York Raiders - J. P. "Jeep" Parise
372 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dave Poulin
373 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ken Daneyko
374 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Jimmy Charles Watson
375 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Vitaly Davydov
376 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Punch Imlach, coach
377 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladimir Shadrin
378 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Adam Graves
379 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Don Marcotte
380 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Behn Wilson
381 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Stan Smyl
382 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Keith Primeau
383 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Tod Sloan
384 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Nick Metz
385 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Chris Drury
386 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Wharram
387 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Duke Keats
388 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Fleming Mackell
389 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day, coach
390 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Steve Kasper
391 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Cecil Hart, coach
392 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Nevin

Round #15
393 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Dick Irvin Sr., coach
394 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jiri Holik
395 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jack Adams, coach
396 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Lionel Hitchman
397 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Odie Cleghorn
398 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Glen Sather, coach
399 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Mike Keenan, coach
400 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jerry "King Kong" Korab
401 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Lars-Erik Sjoberg
402 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Jacques Demers, coach
403 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Dennis Hull
404 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Reijo Ruotsalainen
405 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Mark Tinordi
406 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Charlie Simmer
407 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Tomas Sandstrom
408 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Kris Draper
409 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Murray Oliver
410 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Johnny Gottselig
411 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Ryan Smyth
412 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Bill Barilko
413 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Yvon Lambert
414 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Badger Bob Johnson, coach
415 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Ivan Tregubov
416 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Steve Duchesne
417 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Stefan Persson
418 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Calle Johansson
419 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Leo Reise Jr.
420 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Graham Drinkwater

Round #16
421 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cooney Weiland
422 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Edward Ivanov
423 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Mario Tremblay
424 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Pete Green, coach
425 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Ron Greschner
426 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Charlie Huddy
427 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Rene Robert
428 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Red Dutton
429 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ed Van Impe
430 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Steve "Stumpy" Thomas
431 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Yuri Liapkin
432 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Vernon
433 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Wilf Paiement
434 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Petr Svoboda
435 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Troy Murray
436 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Ross Lonsberry
437 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Carol Vadnais
438 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Doug Risebrough
439 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Floyd Curry
440 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Al Rollins
441 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Andy Moog
442 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Roberto Luongo
443 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - John MacLean
444 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dollard St. Laurent
445 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Duane Sutter
446 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jim Neilson
447 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Edgar Laprade
448 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Mike Foligno

Round #17
449 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Harry "Hap" Holmes
450 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Normie Smith
451 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Baldy Northcott
452 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Tom Barrasso
453 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Keith Magnuson
454 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Vladimir Dzurilla
455 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ian Turnbull
456 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Lester Patrick
457 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Orland Kurtenbach
458 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Ulf Nilsson
459 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Wally Stanowski
460 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Shayne Corson
461 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Phil Goyette
462 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Roger Crozier
463 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Arkady Chernyshev, coach
464 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Kevin Hatcher
465 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ilya Kovalchuk
466 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Tumba Johansson
467 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Jamie Langenbrunner
468 VanIslander - New York Raiders - John "Pie" McKenzie
469 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Jerry Toppazzini
470 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Ivan Hlinka
471 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - John Vanbiesbrouck
472 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Jean Pronovost
473 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Valeri Kamensky
474 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Liut
475 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harvey Pulford
476 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Marian Hossa

Round #18
477 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gilles Tremblay
478 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harry Watson
479 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Dave Babych
480 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Martin Gelinas
481 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Sandis Ozolinsh
482 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Bobby Carpenter
483 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - John Madden
484 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Al Secord
485 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ken Mosdell
486 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Lindy Ruff, coach
487 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Anatoly Tarasov, coach
488 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bill Hay
489 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ted Harris
490 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Hakan Loob
491 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Bill Hajt
492 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Bill Ranford
493 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - James Patrick
494 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Hugh Lehman
495 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Pat Burns, coach
496 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Gaye Stewart
497 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Paul Reinhart
498 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Kevin Dineen
499 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Riley Hern
500 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Gerard Gallant
501 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ron Hextall
502 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ron Sutter
503 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Frank Finnigan
504 BM67 - New Jersey Devils- Gary Dornhoefer

Round #19
505 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Patrick
506 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jack Adams
507 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Miikka Kiprusoff
508 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Eric Nesterenko
509 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Curtis Joseph
510 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Mel Bridgman
511 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ron Stackhouse
512 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Don Maloney
513 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Fred Stanfield
514 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Dallas Smith
515 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Jamie Macoun
516 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Jean-Sebastien Giguere
517 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Don Edwards
518 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Bonin
519 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Ted Nolan, coach
520 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Harry Sinden, coach
521 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Geoff Courtnall
522 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Brian Skrudland
523 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Robert Svehla
524 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Don McKenney
525 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Charlie Hodge
526 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Kirk McLean
527 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Gennady Tsygankov
528 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Garry Unger
529 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Andre "Moose" Dupont
530 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Kenny Jonsson
531 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Pat Egan
532 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bucko McDonald

Round #20
533 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Tomas Holmstrom
534 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Frank Frederickson
535 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Cliff Koroll
536 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Randy McKay
537 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Ed Jovanovski
538 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Jim Peplinski
539 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ryan Walter
540 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Frank Mcgee
541 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Phil Russell
542 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Scott Mellanby
543 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dave Kerr
544 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tomas Kaberle
545 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Paul Henderson
546 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dave Burrows
547 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Eddie Shack
548 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Dennis Maruk
549 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Bob Probert
550 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Bobby Schmautz
551 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Gary Bergman
552 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Tom Anderson
553 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Brian Rolston
554 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Dan Maloney
555 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Bill Guerin
556 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pit Lepine
557 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hec Kilrea
558 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Mcphee
559 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Mattias Norstrom
560 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Jay Pandolfo

Round #21
561 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Marshall
562 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Tommy Gorman, coach
563 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Roy ''Schrimp'' Worters
564 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glen Skov
565 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Art Ross, coach
566 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Doug Weight
567 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Gregg Sheppard
568 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mike Keane
569 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pelle Lindbergh
570 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Tomas Jonsson
571 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Kirk Maltby
572 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Erich Kühnhackl
573 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tiger Williams
574 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pierre Turgeon
575 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dan Bain
576 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Shane Doan
577 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jim Pappin
578 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Jozef Golonka
579 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - John Ross Roach
580 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ken Hitchcock, coach
581 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Roger Neilson, coach
582 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bernie Morris
583 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Scott Young
584 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Herb Brooks, coach
585 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Percy LeSueur
586 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Curt Fraser
587 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Allan "Scotty" Davidson
588 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Mathieu Schneider

Round #22
589 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Marty McSorley
590 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Mike Grant
591 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Ray Ferraro
592 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Brad Richards
593 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Chris Osgood
594 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Stan Jonathan
595 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Steve Vickers
596 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Tony Amonte
597 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Olaf Kolzig
598 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Mike Ricci
599 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Willi Plett
600 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Leo Labine
601 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Glen Wesley
602 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Barry Ashbee
603 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pit Martin
604 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tom Lysiak
605 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Simon Gagne
606 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Craig Simpson
607 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Thomas Steen
608 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Merrick
609 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Pat Quinn, coach
610 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Jimmy Roberts
611 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Dave Semenko
612 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ken Randall
613 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Viktor Konovalenko
614 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Brian Engblom
615 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Bruce Stuart
616 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Gordon "Red" Berenson

Round #23
617 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Rich "Dickie" Boon
618 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Billy Boucher
619 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Patrick Flatley
620 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Viktor Kuzkin
621 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bullet Joe Simpson
622 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Rod Seiling
623 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Murphy
624 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mickey Redmond
625 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Alexander Gusev
626 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Jason Smith
627 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Bob Dailey
628 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Terry Crisp, coach
629 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tony McKegney
630 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Lloyd Cook
631 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Milan Novy
632 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Helmut Balderis
633 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Milbury
634 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Samuel Pahlsson
635 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Peter McNab
636 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Chico Resch
637 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Josef Malecek
638 VanIslander - New York Raiders - John Ogrodnick
639 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Yuri Fedorov
640 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Billy Gilmour
641 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Dave Manson
642 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jan Starsi, coach
643 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harry "Rat" Westwick
644 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Joe Watson

Round #24
645 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Camille “The Eel” Henry
646 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Ed Johnston
647 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Glen Harmon
648 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Paul Holmgren
649 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Vladimir Martinec
650 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Chris Nilan
651 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Ziggy Palffy
652 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Tommy Dunderdale
653 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Hillman
654 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Dave Ellett
655 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Alexander Almetov
656 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Peter Zezel
657 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ab McDonald
658 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - George ‘‘Goldie’’ Prodgers
659 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Rollie Melanson
660 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Billy Reay, coach
661 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs- Seth Martin
662 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Normand Rochefort
663 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Terry Crisp
664 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Pete Peeters
665 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jacques Martin, coach
666 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bob Froese
667 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Marc Tardif
668 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ron Duguay
669 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Gilles Marotte
670 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Lynn Patrick
671 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - George McNamara
672 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Dave Schultz

BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles drops Bryan Murray, coach for Jan Starsi, coach

Trades:

Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals trades picks 55, 114 & 223 to Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators for picks 79, 90 & 191

doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains trades picks 27, 139 & 142 to nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds for picks 54, 59 & 115

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trades picks 1 & 225 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 4 & 165

Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals trades picks 58, 111 & 226 to arrbez - Aurora Tigers for picks 72, 97 & 209

Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins trades Bobby Hull and picks 52, 108 & 388 to pappyline - Guelph Biltmores for picks 9, 48, 104 & 384

shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars trades picks 66, 122, 178 & 215 to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for picks 80, 89, 192 & 201

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trades picks 112, 113, 616, 617 & 672 to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for picks 178, 248, 257, 304 & 313.

MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke trades picks 51 & 443 to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for picks 66 & 369

reckoning - Ottawa 67s trades picks 63 & 287 to MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke for picks 66 & 275

Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels trades picks 74 & 186 to Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals for picks 79 & 170

EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons trades picks 93 & 261 to Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins for picks 104 & 164

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 99, 126 & 182 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 109, 116 & 172

Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators trades picks 114 & 426 to VanIslander - New York Raiders for picks 134 & 302

pappyline - Guelph Biltmores trades picks 121, 625 & 664 to VanIslander - New York Raiders for picks 147, 414 & 427

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers trades picks 126, 228 & 277 to seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts for picks 150, 187 & 243

The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways trades picks 127, 154 & 266 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 132, 149 & 244

EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons trades picks 154 & 412 to Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens for picks 172 & 267

Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators trades Igor Larionov and picks 247 & 359 to John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers for Bill Cowley and picks 249 & 361

Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins trades picks 173 & 261 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 182 & 243

Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs trades picks 180 & 292 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 188 & 267

MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke trades picks 622 & 667 to reckoning - Ottawa 67s for picks 623 & 666

doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains trades picks 195 & 419 to LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers for picks 204 & 301

BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 199 & 255 to MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke for picks 219 & 230

Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels trades picks 207 & 263 to Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators for picks 223 & 249

BM67 - New Jersey Devils trades picks 224, 448 & 560 to VanIslander - New York Raiders for picks 259, 315 & 582

murphy - Edmonton Oilers trades picks 268 & 436 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 300 & 356

Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens trades picks 323 & 350 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 333 & 340

vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 364, 477 & 532 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 373, 468 & 524

MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke trades picks 398, 499, 555 & 607 to shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars for picks 402, 495, 551 & 611

vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets trade picks 421 & 645 to pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers for picks 445 & 501

BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles trades picks 423 & 647 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 436 & 597

pappyline - Guelph Biltmores trades Rene Robert and picks 569 & 608 to LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers for picks 469, 525 & 540

vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets trades picks 468, 476, 589 & 644 to VanIslander - New York Raiders for picks 483, 526, 539 & 560

VanIslander - New York Raiders trades Marian Hossa to cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks for pick 649

MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke trades picks 495 & 623 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 532 & 541

The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways trades Arkady Chernyshev, coach & pick 631 to Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels for picks 522 & 543

nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds trades picks 563 & 670 to EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons for picks 580 & 623

EagleBelfour
11-04-2007, 02:23 PM
I don't want my work to be burried with the older thread, so I'll repost it here.

BEST/WORST Selection by round:

1st round
Best: Bobby Clarke (25)
Worst: Niklas Lidstrom (19)
2nd round
Best: Ted Lindsay (30)
Worst: Al MacInnis (40)
3rd round
Best: Frank Mahovlich (61)
Worst: Bob Gainey (69)
4th round
Best: Peter Stastny (87)
Worst: Rob Blake (110)
5th round
Best: Busher Jackson (113)
Worst: Vladimir Konstantinov (125)
6th round
Best: Bill Cowley (144)
Worst: Leo Boivin (156)
7th round
Best: Michel Goulet (180)
Worst: Gary Suter (185)
8th round
Best: Bryan Hextall Sr. (216)
Worst: Scotty Bowman, coach (202)
9th round
Best: Alexander Yakushev (234)
Worst: Sidney Crosby (251)
10th round
Best: Jean-Guy Talbot (268)
Worst: Ulf Samuelsson (267)
11th round
Best: Sid Smith (289)
Worst: Al Iafrate (295)
12th round
Best: Tom Phillips (335)
Worst: Jeremy Roenick (311)
13th round
Best: Joe Klukay/Alf Smith
Worst: Alexander Ovechkin (356)
14th round
Best: Nick Metz (394)
Worst: Behn Wilson (380)
15th round
Best: Hitchman/Reise Jr.
Worst: Mike Keenan, coach (399)
16th round
Best: Edgar Laprade (447)
Worst: Roberto Luongo (442)
17th round
Best: Ulf Nilsson (458)
Worst: Shayne Corson (460)
18th round
Best: Frank Finnigan (503)
Worst: Sandis Ozolinsh (481)
19th round
Best: Bucko McDonald (532)
Worst: Miikka Kiprusoff (507
20th round
Best: Frank Mcgee (540)
Worst: Randy McKay (536)
21st round
Best: Tommy Gorman, coach/Roy Worters
Worst: Gregg Sheppard (567)
22nd round
Best: Mike Grant (590)
Worst: Mike Ricci (598)
23rd round
Best: Bullet Joe Simpson/Rat Westwick
Worst: Bryan Murray, coach (642)
24th round
Best: Vladimir Martinec (649)
Worst: Chris Nilan (650)

Just for fun, no harsh feelings :)

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-04-2007, 02:33 PM
14 left. If it works out, I think we can get this done by the end of the night.

ck26
11-04-2007, 02:55 PM
I didn't take the player's role in the team into consideration ... simply the player and the guys taken around him

Best / Worst Picks By Round
1st Round
Best: 14 Hockey Outsider Denis Potvin
Worst: 28 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 Jaromir Jagr

2nd Round
Best: 30 doctordark - Ted Lindsay
Worst: 40 Leaf Lander Al MacInnis

3rd Round
Best: 63 MXD Henri Richard
Worst: 81 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas Grant Fuhr

4th Round
Best: 101 Frightened Inmate #2 Johnny Bucyk
Worst: 96 Leaf Lander Ed Belfour

5th Round
Best: 113 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Busher Jackson
Worst: 125 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Vladimir Konstantinov

6th Round
Best: 150 pitseleh Frank Nighbor
Worst: 165 BM67 Jarome Iginla

7th Round
Best: 186 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator Syd Howe
Worst: 194 BlueBleeder Markus Naslund

8th Round
Best: 215 cottonking Bryan Hextall Sr
Worst: 202 Rick Middleton Scotty Bowman, coach

9th Round
Best: 228 seventieslord Bobby Baun
Worst: 251 doctordark Sidney Crosby

10th Round
Best: 272 pappyline Chuck Rayner
Worst: 264 Leaf Lander Zdeno Chara

11th Round
Best: undecided
Worst: 305 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas Dale Hunter

12th Round
Best: 311 BlueBleeder Jeremy Roenick
Worst: 324 murphy Alexander Mogilny

second half pending ...

Leaf Lander
11-04-2007, 03:49 PM
369 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Clarence "Taffy" Abel
117 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Sid Abel
395 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jack Adams, coach
298 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Daniel Alfredsson
596 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Tony Amonte
199 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Glenn Anderson
552 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Tom Anderson
224 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dave Andreychuk
66 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Syl Apps Sr.
333 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Al Arbour, coach
214 GBC & raleh - Halifax RCAF - George "The Chief" Armstrong
602 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Barry Ashbee
363 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Larry Aurie

655 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Alexander Almetov
632 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Helmut Balderis

479 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Dave Babych
292 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ralph Backstrom
239 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Irvine "Ace" Bailey
174 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bill Barber
412 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Bill Barilko
452 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Tom Barrasso
278 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Marty Barry
74 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Andy Bathgate
228 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bobby Baun
266 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Bobby Bauer
357 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Barry Beck
96 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ed Belfour
8 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jean Beliveau
346 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Brian Bellows
60 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Clint Benedict
123 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Doug Bentley
67 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Max Bentley
551 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Gary Bergman
103 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Hector "Toe" Blake
310 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Toe Blake, coach
110 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Rob Blake
220 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Vsevolod Bobrov
156 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Leo Boivin
303 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Peter Bondra
518 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Bonin
17 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Bossy
92 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Butch Bouchard
108 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Frank Boucher
126 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - George "Buck" Boucher
288 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Bob Bourne
11 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Ray Bourque
202 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Scotty Bowman, coach
46 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Johnny Bower
147 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Carl Brewer
510 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Mel Bridgman
76 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Frank Brimsek
190 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Rod Brind'Amour
161 Evil Sather & kruezer - NY Rangers - Harry "Punch" Broadbent
43 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Turk Broda
29 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Martin Brodeur
518 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Bonin
351 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Neal Broten
362 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jiri Bubla
101 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Johnny Bucyk
332 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Billy Burch
133 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pavel Bure
495 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Pat Burns, coach
546 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dave Burrows

575 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dan Bain
584 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Herb Brooks, coach
616 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Gordon "Red" Berenson
617 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Rich "Dickie" Boon
618 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Billy Boucher

209 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Harry Cameron
122 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Guy Carbonneau
192 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Randy Carlyle
482 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Bobby Carpenter
240 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Wayne Cashman
264 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Zdeno Chara
115 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Gerry Cheevers
41 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Chris Chelios
463 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Arkady Chernyshev, coach
203 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dino Ciccarelli
366 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Lorne Chabot
72 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - King Clancy
45 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Dit Clapper
262 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Wendel Clark
25 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Bobby Clarke
397 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Odie Cleghorn
59 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Sprague Cleghorn
42 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Paul Coffey
328 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Neil Colville
53 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Charlie Conacher
99 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Lionel “Big Train” Conacher
142 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Roy Conacher
286 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Alex Connell
54 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Bill Cook
307 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Bun Cook
460 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Shayne Corson
216 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Art Coulter
116 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Yvan Cournoyer
521 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Geoff Courtnall
144 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Bill Cowley
336 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Crawford
251 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Sidney Crosby
462 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Roger Crozier
439 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Floyd Curry

630 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Lloyd Cook
628 Frightened I #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Terry Crisp, coach
663 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Terry Crisp

290 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Vincent Damphousse
373 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ken Daneyko
259 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Darragh
587 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Allan "Scotty" Davidson
375 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Vitaly Davydov
221 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day
389 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hap Day, coach
124 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Alex Delvecchio
402 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Jacques Demers, coach
131 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Cy Denneny
200 John Flyers Fan & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Eric Desjardins
279 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Cecil Dillon
498 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Kevin Dineen
75 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Marcel Dionne
576 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Shane Doan

504 BM67 - New Jersey Devils- Gary Dornhoefer
408 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Kris Draper
317 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gordie Drillon
420 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Graham Drinkwater
385 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Chris Drury
27 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ken Dryden
416 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Steve Duchesne
299 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Dick Duff
205 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Woody Dumart
529 John FF & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Andre "Moose" Dupont
38 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bill Durnan
428 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Red Dutton
206 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Babe Dye
454 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Vladimir Dzurilla

668 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ron Duguay
652 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Tommy Dunderdale
627 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Bob Dailey


517 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Don Edwards
531 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Pat Egan
231 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Patrik Elias
342 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Ron Ellis
614 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Brian Engblom
16 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Phil Esposito
112 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Tony Esposito

654 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Dave Ellett

282 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Bernie Federko
79 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Sergei Fedorov
364 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - John Ferguson
32 John Flyers F & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Viacheslav Fetisov
503 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals- Frank Finnigan
151 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Anatoli Firsov
153 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Fern Flaman
213 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Theoren Fleury
448 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Mike Foligno
64 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Peter Forsberg
283 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Frank Foyston
81 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Grant Fuhr
106 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ron Francis
534 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Frank Frederickson
666 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bob Froese

586 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Curt Fraser
591 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Ray Ferraro
619 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Patrick Flatley

639 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Yuri Fedorov

78 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Bill Gadsby
69 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Bob Gainey
500 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Gerard Gallant
89 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Chuck Gardiner
247 John Flyers Fan & R Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Herb Gardiner
223 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Danny Gare
138 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Gartner
480 John F Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Martin Gelinas
48 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bernie Geoffrion
204 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Eddie Gerard
249 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Eddie Giacomin
516 F Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Jean-Sebastien Giguere
197 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Rod Gilbert
169 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Clark Gillies
121 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Doug Gilmour
218 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Bob Goldham
318 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Sergei Gonchar
120 Evil S & kruezer - New York Rangers - Ebenezer "Ebbie" Goodfellow
212 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Butch Goring
410 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Johnny Gottselig
180 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Michel Goulet
461 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Phil Goyette
319 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Dirk Graham
378 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Adam Graves
424 John FF & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Pete Green, coach
270 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Terrible Ted Green
425 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Ron Greschner
2 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Wayne Gretzky
338 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Si Griffis
555 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Bill Guerin


605 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Simon Gagne
590 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Mike Grant
578 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Jozef Golonka
562 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Tommy Gorman, coach

640 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Billy Gilmour
625 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Alexander Gusev


340 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Vic Hadfield
93 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - George Hainsworth
491 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Bill Hajt
31 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Glenn Hall
232 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Joe Hall
253 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Terry Harper
489 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ted Harris
391 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Cecil Hart, coach
349 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Craig Hartsburg
9 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Doug Harvey
22 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Dominik Hasek
464 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Kevin Hatcher
236 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Derian Hatcher
98 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dale Hawerchuk
488 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bill Hay
360 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Dany Heatley
258 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Anders Hedberg
285 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ott Heller
545 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Paul Henderson
499 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Riley Hern
215 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Hextall Sr
501 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ron Hextall
580 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - - Ken Hitchcock, coach
396 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Lionel Hitchman
470 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Ivan Hlinka
525 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Charlie Hodge
265 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ken Hodge
348 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Bobby Holik
394 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jiri Holik
260 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Flash Hollett
449 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Harry "Hap" Holmes
533 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Tomas Holmstrom
90 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Jiri Holocek
167 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Red Horner
44 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tim Horton
476 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Marian Hossa
196 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Phil Housley
105 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mark Howe
3 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Gordie Howe
186 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Syd Howe
155 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Harry Howell
426 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Charlie Huddy
58 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Brett Hull
5 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Bobby Hull
403 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Dennis Hull
305 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Dale Hunter


647 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Glen Harmon
645 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Camille “The Eel” Henry
653 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Larry Hillman
648 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Paul Holmgren

295 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Al Iafrate
165 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jarome Iginla
376 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Punch Imlach, coach
393 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Dick Irvin Sr., coach
422 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Edward Ivanov
347 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Tommy Ivan, coach

113 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Busher Jackson
28 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Jaromir Jagr
238 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Doug Jarvis
414 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Badger Bob Johnson, coach
159 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Ching Johnson
248 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ernie "Moose" Johnson
127 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Tom Johnson
418 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Calle Johansson
466 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Tumba Johansson
84 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Aurel Joliat
530 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Kenny Jonsson
509 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Curtis Joseph
537 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Ed Jovanovski

594 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Stan Jonathan
570 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Tomas Jonsson

646 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Ed Johnston

544 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tomas Kaberle
473 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Valeri Kamensky
191 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Paul Kariya
137 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Alexei Kasatonov
390 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Steve Kasper
34 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Valery Kharlamov
387 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Duke Keats
399 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Mike Keenan, coach
18 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Red Kelly
65 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Ted Kennedy
543 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Dave Kerr
229 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Tim Kerr
118 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Dave Keon
557 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Hec Kilrea
507 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Miikka Kiprusoff
352 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Joe Klukay
125 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Vladimir Konstantinov
400 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jerry "King Kong" Korab
535 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Cliff Koroll
465 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ilya Kovalchuk
193 John Flyers Fan & R Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Vladimir Krutov
51 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Jari Kurri
457 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Orland Kurtenbach

568 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mike Keane
597 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Olaf Kolzig
613 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Viktor Konovalenko
620 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Viktor Kuzkin
572 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Erich Kühnhackl

86 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Elmer Lach
140 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Pat LaFontaine
10 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Guy Lafleur
70 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Newsy Lalonde
413 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Yvon Lambert
467 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Jamie Langenbrunner
82 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Rod Langway
104 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jacques Laperriere
91 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Guy Lapointe
447 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Edgar Laprade
135 John Flyers Fan & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Igor Larionov
245 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Steve Larmer
276 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Reed Larson
275 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Reggie Leach
368 John FF & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Vincent LeCavalier
312 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - John Leclair
55 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Brian Leetch
494 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Hugh Lehman
162 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Jere Lehtinen
181 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Lemaire
293 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Lemaire, coach
217 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Claude Lemieux
4 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mario Lemieux
556 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pit Lepine
339 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Tony Leswick
321 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Herbie Lewis
431 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Yuri Liapkin
19 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nicklas Lidstrom
325 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Trevor Linden
114 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Eric Lindros
30 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Ted Lindsay
343 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Linseman
284 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Ed Litzenberger
474 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Mike Liut
436 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Ross Lonsberry
490 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Hakan Loob
271 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Kevin Lowe
246 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Don Luce
329 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Craig Ludwig
304 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Harry Lumley
442 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Roberto Luongo
269 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Vladimir Lutchenko

600 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Leo Labine
585 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Percy LeSueur
569 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Pelle Lindbergh
604 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tom Lysiak

40 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Al MacInnis
388 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Fleming Mackell
280 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Mickey MacKay
443 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - John MacLean
315 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Rick MacLeish
515 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Jamie Macoun
327 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Craig MacTavish
483 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - John Madden
453 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Keith Magnuson
61 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Frank Mahovlich
242 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels -Pete Mahovlich
88 John Flyers Fan & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Sergei Makarov
554 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Dan Maloney
512 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Don Maloney
571 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Kirk Maltby
157 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Aleksandr Maltsev
170 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Sylvio Mantha
379 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Don Marcotte
345 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Don Marshal
561 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Marshall
603 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pit Martin
195 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Richard Martin
548 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Dennis Maruk
532 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bucko McDonald
261 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Brad McCrimmon
143 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Lanny McDonald
540 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Frank Mcgee
536 John Flyers Fan & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Randy McKay
524 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Don McKenney
526 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Kirk McLean
468 VanIslander - New York Raiders - John "Pie" McKenzie
558 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Mcphee
589 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Marty McSorley
542 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Scott Mellanby
608 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Wayne Merrick
12 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Mark Messier
384 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Nick Metz
237 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Rick Middleton
20 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Stan Mikita
71 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Joe Malone
95 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Boris Mikhailov
177 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Doug "Diesel" Mohns
145 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Mike Modano
324 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Alexander Mogilny
441 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Andy Moog
62 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Dickie Moore
23 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Howie Morenz
582 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bernie Morris
257 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Ken Morrow
235 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Gus Mortson
485 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ken Mosdell
233 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Bill Mosienko
244 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Joe Mullen
313 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Kirk Muller
136 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Larry Murphy
623 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Murphy
435 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Troy Murray

637 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Josef Malecek
641 John Flyers Fan & R Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Dave Manson
669 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Gilles Marotte
665 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Jacques Martin, coach
661 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs- Seth Martin
649 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Vladimir Martinec
657 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Ab McDonald
629 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tony McKegney
635 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Peter McNab
671 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - George McNamara
659 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Rollie Melanson
633 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Milbury






194 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Markus Naslund
344 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mats Naslund
160 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Vaclav Nedomansky
102 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Cam Neely
446 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jim Neilson
581 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Roger Neilson, coach
508 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Eric Nesterenko
392 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bob Nevin
355 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Bernie Nicholls
57 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Scott Niedermayer
188 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Joe Nieuwendyk
150 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Frank Nighbor
322 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Kent Nilsson
458 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Ulf Nilsson
316 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Reg Noble
367 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Owen Nolan
519 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Ted Nolan, coach
559 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Mattias Norström
451 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Baldy Northcott
354 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Teppo Numminen
273 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Bobby Nystrom
631 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Milan Novy

650 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Chris Nilan

291 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Buddy O'Connor
300 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Terry O'Reilly
128 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Adam Oates
168 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Bert Olmstead
1 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Orr
593 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Chris Osgood
243 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Joel Otto
356 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Alexander Ovechkin
409 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Murray Oliver
481 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Sandis Ozolinsh

638 VanIslander - New York Raiders - John Ogrodnick

433 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Wilf Paiement
50 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Bernie Parent
371 VanIslander - New York Raiders - J. P. "Jeep" Parise
39 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Brad Park
505 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Frank Patrick
493 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - James Patrick
456 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Lester Patrick
365 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Lester Patrick, coach
175 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Marty Pavelich
308 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Mike Peca
538 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Jim Peplinski
417 J Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Stefan Persson
77 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Gilbert Perreault
178 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Vladimir Petrov
335 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Tom Phillips
47 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Pierre Pilote
254 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Didier Pitre
309 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Barclay Plager
13 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Jacques Plante
230 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Frantisek Pospisil
14 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Denis Potvin
372 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Dave Poulin
134 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Walter "Babe" Pratt
323 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Dean Prentice
187 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Joe Primeau
382 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Keith Primeau
549 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Bob Probert
56 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Chris Pronger
472 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Jean Pronovost
109 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Marcel Pronovost
176 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Brian Propp
172 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Claude Provost
287 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bob Pulford
475 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harvey Pulford


560 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Jay Pandolfo
577 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jim Pappin
599 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Willi Plett
670 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Lynn Patrick
664 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Pete Peeters
658 The_Hockey_Guy18 - - George ‘‘Goldie’’ Prodgers
651 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Ziggy Palffy
634 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Samuel Pahlsson


107 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Bill Quackenbush
609 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Pat Quinn, coach

184 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Alexander Ragulin
294 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Rob Ramage
201 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Craig Ramsay
330 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Mike Ramsey
492 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Bill Ranford
154 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Jean Ratelle
272 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Chuck Rayner
119 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Reardon
256 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Mark Recchi
497 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Paul Reinhart
419 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Leo Reise Jr.
63 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Henri Richard
6 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Maurice Richard
297 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Richter
438 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Doug Risebrough
427 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Rene Robert
241 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gary Roberts
24 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Larry Robinson
311 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jeremy Roenick
141 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Luc Robitaille
440 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Al Rollins
553 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Brian Rolston
164 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Art Ross
350 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Rousseau
15 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Patrick Roy
486 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Lindy Ruff, coach
404 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Reijo Ruotsalainen
541 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Phil Russell

592 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers - Brad Richards
598 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Mike Ricci
612 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Ken Randall
579 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - John Ross Roach
610 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Jimmy Roberts
565 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Art Ross, coach

660 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Billy Reay, coach
636 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Chico Resch
662 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Normand Rochefort
624 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Mickey Redmond

36 La pierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Joe Sakic
73 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Borge Salming
267 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Ulf Samuelsson
361 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Derek Sanderson
407 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Tomas Sandstrom
398 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Glen Sather, coach
189 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Denis Savard
85 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Serge Savard
21 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Terry Sawchuk
37 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Milt Schmidt
550 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Bobby Schmautz
334 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Jim Schoenfeld
173 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - David "Sweeney" Schriner
484 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Al Secord
52 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Earl Seibert
132 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Teemu Selanne
547 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Eddie Shack
377 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Vladimir Shadrin
100 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Brendan Shanahan
358 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Fred Shero, coach
7 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Eddie Shore
146 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Steve Shutt
171 nik jr & Agent DC - Seattle Thunderbirds - Albert "Babe" Siebert
520 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Harry Sinden, coach
406 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Charlie Simmer
129 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darryl Sittler
401 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Lars-Erik Sjoberg
522 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Brian Skrudland
383 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Tod Sloan
49 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers - Billy Smith
252 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Bobby Smith
514 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Dallas Smith
211 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Hooley Smith
450 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Normie Smith
341 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Alf Smith
289 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Sid Smith
370 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Steve Smith
381 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Stan Smyl
411 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Ryan Smyth
207 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Nikolai Sologubov
444 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Dollard St. Laurent
359 John Flyers F & Roger's P - Flin Flon Bombers - Martin St. Louis
511 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ron Stackhouse
513 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Fred Stanfield
158 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Allan Stanley
459 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Wally Stanowski
182 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Pat Stapleton
302 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Vyacheslav Starshinov
87 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Peter Stastny
225 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Kevin Stevens
35 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Scott Stevens
496 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Gaye Stewart
83 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Jack "Blackjack" Stewart
94 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Nels Stewart
227 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Hod Stuart
226 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Jan Suchy
152 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Sundin
185 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gary Suter
219 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Brent Sutter
250 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Brian Sutter
445 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Duane Sutter
502 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ron Sutter
306 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Lennart Svedberg
523 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Robert Svehla
434 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Petr Svoboda

588 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Mathieu Schneider
622 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Rod Seiling
611 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Dave Semenko
567 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Gregg Sheppard
606 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Craig Simpson
621 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins - Bullet Joe Simpson
564 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Glen Skov
607 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Thomas Steen
615 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Bruce Stuart

626 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Jason Smith
672 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Dave Schultz
642 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Jan Starsi, coach

268 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Jean-Guy Talbot
487 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Anatoly Tarasov, coach
667 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Marc Tardif
326 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Dave Taylor
80 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Fred "Cyclone" Taylor
430 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Steve "Stumpy" Thomas
111 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Cecil "Tiny" Thompson
274 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Paul Thompson
208 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jimmy Thomson
277 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Joe Thornton
179 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF - Esa Tikkanen
405 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Mark Tinordi
353 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Keith Tkachuk
301 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Walt Tkaczuk
210 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Rick Tocchet
198 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - John Tonelli
469 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores - Jerry Toppazzini
415 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Ivan Tregubov
148 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - J.C. Tremblay
477 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Gilles Tremblay
423 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Mario Tremblay
68 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Vladislav Tretiak
33 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Bryan Trottier
527 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Gennady Tsygankov
574 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens - Pierre Turgeon
455 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ian Turnbull

139 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Norm Ullman
528 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks - Garry Unger

296 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Rogie Vachon
437 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Carol Vadnais
320 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Rick Vaive
471 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - John Vanbiesbrouck
429 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Ed Van Impe
97 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Valeri Vasiliev
255 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Elmer 'Moose' Vasko
314 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Pat Verbeek
432 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mike Vernon
263 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Georges Vezina
595 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Steve Vickers

281 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Jack Walker
539 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Ryan Walter
478 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harry Watson
374 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts - Jimmy Charles Watson
331 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Phil Watson
566 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Doug Weight
421 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Cooney Weiland
337 BM67 - New Jersey Devils - Cy Wentworth
601 arrbez - Aurora Tigers - Glen Wesley
222 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Ed Westfall
386 reckoning - Ottawa 67s - Ken Wharram
166 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Bill White
573 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Tiger Williams
380 murphy - Edmonton Oilers - Behn Wilson
149 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Doug Wilson
130 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels - Lorne "Gump" Worsley
563 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Roy ''Schrimp'' Worters


643 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains - Harry "Rat" Westwick
644 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Joe Watson


234 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Alexander Yakushev
583 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators - Scott Young
26 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Steve Yzerman

656 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Peter Zezel
163 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke - Sergei Zubov



Last pick entered
623 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds - Mike Murphy
======================================




Putting in alphabetical order yes i know im a few months late:)

Leaf Lander
11-04-2007, 04:00 PM
I don't want my work to be burried with the older thread, so I'll repost it here.

BEST/WORST Selection by round:


Best: Ted Lindsay (30)
Worst: Al MacInnis (40)

7th round
Best: Michel Goulet (180)
Worst: Gary Suter (185)


Just for fun, no harsh feelings :)


I dont feel that Brian Leetch is a better d-man then MacInnis and I dont think Pronger is in his class yet! I could had Chelios but I took the home grown talent instead;) Had Chelios last draft!



183 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways - Adam Foote
185 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gary Suter
188 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs - Joe Nieuwendyk
189 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Denis Savard
190 VanIslander - New York Raiders - Rod Brind'Amour
191 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals - Paul Kariya
192 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars - Randy Carlyle
194 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Markus Naslund
195 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers - Richard Martin
196 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets - Phil Housley


All of these players are great guys to build a team with

Did they have a better career then gary?It is debateable.

Gary was selected to give me a perfect playing partner for MacInnis and none of them would had!




I didn't take the player's role in the team into consideration ... simply the player and the guys taken around him


4th Round
Best: 101 Frightened Inmate #2 Johnny Bucyk
Worst: 96 Leaf Lander Ed Belfour


10th Round
Best: 272 pappyline Chuck Rayner
Worst: 264 Leaf Lander Zdeno Chara


second half pending ...[/B]


I needed a top of the line #1 goalie and considering he is 3rd in all time wins and all the other greats had been picked so I figured that I better get myself a great goalie and this future hall of famer fits the build

I choose chara because his strength is unmatched by other d-man I usually pick him and he usualy gets named the worst pick for his rnd haha

MXD
11-04-2007, 04:13 PM
I dont feel that Brian Leetch is a better dman then macinnis and i dont think pronger is in his clas yet! I could had chelios but i took the home grown talent instead;) Had Chelios last draft!

I choose chara because his strength is unmatched by other d-man I usualy pick him and he usualy gets named teh worst pick for his rnd haha

I don't think anybody thinks Leetch was a better D-Men that McInnis. I would take McInnis ahead of Pilote as well.

vancityluongo
11-04-2007, 04:42 PM
I would've taken Horton before MacInnis...but at that point in the draft, most players taken are worthy of their spots. And besides, even if you took MacInnis, oh, say 10 spots too early, if you really wanted him, then you got a good player, because it's not like he would've lasted until your next pick. I guess I'd have to say he was the worst pick of the round...but it's not really saying much.

MXD
11-04-2007, 05:00 PM
It would be nice to finish this tonight....

BM, JFF or whoever's taking care of the voting process...

Are we having a week off, in order for the reviews to be posted (because there will be reviews, thanks to GBC in advance!) and to give a chance to everyone to have a clue? I guess most of us will definitely do some research before voting, as I guess most, if not all of us, don't have a clue about some of the guys that were drafted?

MXD
11-04-2007, 05:01 PM
And whoever have to pick tonight... but must leave...
Can send their pick to me. Would be appreciated.

vancityluongo
11-04-2007, 05:12 PM
It would be nice to finish this tonight....

BM, JFF or whoever's taking care of the voting process...

Are we having a week off, in order for the reviews to be posted (because there will be reviews, thanks to GBC in advance!) and to give a chance to everyone to have a clue? I guess most of us will definitely do some research before voting, as I guess most, if not all of us, don't have a clue about some of the guys that were drafted?

Bump. Bosses, maybe we should set a deadline to have Regular Season voting done by the Long Weekend? I know I'll be gone that weekend, and I'd rather have my votes sent in before I leave.

God Bless Canada
11-04-2007, 07:26 PM
Murphy's time is up. The Inmate is on the clock.

Frightened Inmate #2
11-04-2007, 07:39 PM
I am going to write up a brief player statement in the same manner as VanIslander... The Calgary Mustangs select Seth Martin

http://www.trailsmokeeaters.com/martin.gif

Goalie Seth Martin played 30 games for the expansion St. Louis Blues in 1967-68. He spent over two decades in the game and was best known as a top senior player for the Trail Smoke Eaters and a valuable international performer for Canada.

Every young player must have someone to look up to, to idolize, to desire to become as good. Vladislav Tretiak had really no one to idolize in Russia, as Soviet goaltending had always been a weak point in their game prior to Tretiak's arrival. However, Tretiak, and for that matter much of the whole Soviet squad, became enamoured with the goaltending of Seth Martin....


Seth Martin is a charter member of the International Hockey Hall of Fame.

God Bless Canada
11-04-2007, 07:46 PM
Halifax RCAF is pleased to round out their roster with a big, sturdy, steady defensive defenceman with very good size. His defensive play earned him a spot on the NHL All-Stars for Rendez-Vous 87, and he was a steadying force for Team Canada at the 1987 Canada Cup. These attributes will make him an ideal depth defenceman who will be capable of stepping into the line-up and playing third pairing minutes should the situation require it:

D Normand Rochefort

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
11-04-2007, 09:22 PM
Halifax RCAF is pleased to round out their roster with a big, sturdy, steady defensive defenceman with very good size. His defensive play earned him a spot on the NHL All-Stars for Rendez-Vous 87, and he was a steadying force for Team Canada at the 1987 Canada Cup. These attributes will make him an ideal depth defenceman who will be capable of stepping into the line-up and playing third pairing minutes should the situation require it:

D Normand Rochefort

Just watched CC '87. Loved Rochefort's presence there.

And to think, back when I was a stat-hound checking the backs of '90-'91 Upper Decks to determine how good a player was, I thought Rochefort was quite the sack of crap.

God Bless Canada
11-04-2007, 10:12 PM
Just watched CC '87. Loved Rochefort's presence there.

And to think, back when I was a stat-hound checking the backs of '90-'91 Upper Decks to determine how good a player was, I thought Rochefort was quite the sack of crap.
He peaked in 87. He couldn't stay healthy after the 86-87 season, and it resulted in a pretty quick fall-off.

The 87 Canada Cup performance is impressive. But I think it speaks volumes that he was chosen to play in Rendez Vous 87. That was essentially an NHL all-star team chosen to play in that tournament, and Rochefort was one of them.

arrbez
11-04-2007, 11:07 PM
14 left. If it works out, I think we can get this done by the end of the night.

*sigh*

I know these last picks aren't hugely important (which is all the more reason to leave a list)...but hot damn...was this ever a slow weekend.

Sturminator
11-04-2007, 11:52 PM
I don't think anybody thinks Leetch was a better D-Men that McInnis. I would take McInnis ahead of Pilote as well.

I agree. I think MacInnis was a perfectly reasonable pick where he was taken. I would pick him over Horton or Pilote (Chelios is debatable), and I've got big Al rated ahead of Scott Stevens, as well.

MacInnis was consistently an elite player for a long time and owns quite possibly the greatest point shot in NHL history. Al's thunderclap slappers on the power play are a bloody nice weapon, and we all know how important special teams play is in the playoffs.

Sturminator
11-05-2007, 01:06 AM
12th round
Best: Tom Phillips (335)

16th round
Best: Edgar Laprade (447)

18th round
Best: Frank Finnigan (503)

I guess this means you like Oakland's third line, Eagle? Thanks, I'm rather proud of it, myself. It's the only unit on the team that is really 100% my guys, and I think it came together rather nicely as a shutdown/counterattack line, especially considering where the players were taken. The PLF Line (any other airborne soldiers here, or am I the only one who gets the joke?) will do a lot of dirty work for the team and should throw in a few goals against offensive units that don't play defense.

I think Nalyd and I have complemented each other's knowledge and style pretty well in assembling this team. I certainly couldn't have built a squad as good as I believe the Seals to be without his input, and considering my colleague's...ahem...struggles in building a 3rd line in the last draft, I think my work has also improved upon certain areas of the team he likely would have iced as a solo GM. The fact that we were both on board from the beginning with a plan to truly build the team around Gretzky (as opposed to just picking the best players) has helped matters. We'll see how they do.

VanIslander
11-05-2007, 04:47 AM
http://www.azhockey.com/images%20-%20logos/LogoWhaNewYorkRaiders.jpg

Pete Peeters

http://hfboards.com/imagehosting/thum_21448472e53025cb73.jpg (http://hfboards.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10028)

Vezina trophy winner (1983), Hart trophy runner-up (1983), First team all-star (1983)
All-star game (1980, 1981, 1983, 1984)
246 career wins, 21 shutouts
Canada Cup '84 winning goaltender after starting tourney as the back-up

NHL record: Longest unbeaten streak by a rookie goaltender (27 games -- 22-0-5 -- in 1979-80)
In 1979-80, the Flyers and their goaltender got so hot that they set a league record unbeaten streak of 35 games. By season's end Peeters and his mates went toe-to-toe with the powerful New York Islanders in the Cup finals only to lose out four games to two.

Had run-in with Philadelphia reporter during the 1981-82 season in which he was accused of physically abusing the reporter. The incident was a factor in his being traded the following summer
http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1977/77135.html

...in 1983.. came within one game of tying his coach, Gerry Cheever's, record of 32 straight appearances without a loss.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=18656

NHL GAA Leader: 1982-83 (Boston) (2.36), 1987-88 (Wash.) (2.78)

Led all NHL goaltenders with 36 penalty minutes for Boston in 1983-84.
Was ejected from Boston's March 4, 1984, game at Hartford for his role in a scuffle at the end of the second period of a game in which he was his team's backup goalie...
(Coach Shero would appreciate the emotion, the fire, of a backup goalie jumping the boards and standing up for his teammates)

http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1977/77135.html

Named NHL Co-Player of the Week (with Bob Sauve) for week ending Jan. 24, 1988. ... Named NHL Player of the Week for week ending Feb. 14, 1988... Set Washington record (since broken) for wins in a playoff year with seven in 1988. ... Named NHL Player of the Week for week ending Jan. 8, 1989
http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1977/77135.html

shawnmullin
11-05-2007, 04:51 AM
I don't think anybody thinks Leetch was a better D-Men that McInnis. I would take McInnis ahead of Pilote as well.

Pilote was clearly the best D-man in the NHL in the 60s. Can McInnis say that about any decade? Can he even come close to saying that?

shawnmullin
11-05-2007, 04:57 AM
I'm comfortable with the room I have to manuever up front. However, I still want to get tougher and moe defensive minded. If I get into a grind it out series I want another player who can come in and handle those duties with limited playing time, strong defensive play, good leadership and a physical edge.

Cup winner and multiple time finalist, LW Terry Crisp

From LEGENDS OF HOCKEY (http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=12370)

Five years before Bobby Orr was born, the small town of Parry Sound, Ontario was the birthplace of Terry Crisp. Playing junior hockey, Crisp was a natural playmaker with a strong work ethic and close attention to defense, which made him a great all-round player.

In 1967-68, the NHL expanded from six to 12 teams. The Bruins left Crisp unprotected and he was claimed by the St. Louis Blues. He played in 73 games with the Blues that season, scoring 29 points and was a driving force in helping the club advance to the Stanley Cup finals, where they lost to the Montreal Canadiens. In fact, the Blues and Crisp played in three-straight Stanley Cup finals, an extraordinary feat for an expansion team. The most famous game was on May 10, 1970 when Bobby Orr's overtime goal gave the Boston Bruins their first Cup in 29 years. The Blues, meanwhile, have never been back to the finals.

Crisp remained with the Blues until 1972 when the New York Islanders selected him in the Expansion Draft. He played just 54 games with the fledgling team before being traded to the Philadelphia Flyers for Jean Potvin, where the majority of his playing fame was achieved as a member of the famed "Broad Street Bullies." In the 1974 Stanley Cup finals against Boston, it was Crisp's job to shut down the likes of Ken Hodge and Phil Esposito, which he carried out with amazing success. Of course, the stellar goaltending of Bernie Parent was the main reason for the upset victory, but it was a team effort nonetheless. On a team known for its rough, and ,at times, dirty play, Crisp was one of the few players with penalty minutes totalling lower than his weight. Crisp spent just 31 minutes in the box in 1974, and that was the most of his eleven-year career, equalled on one other occasion in St. Louis.

Following their stunning Cup upset win over the Bruins, the Flyers were poised to defend their title. In the 1975 finals, Crisp and the other defensive specialists on the Flyers were assigned to shut down the "French Connection" consisting of Gil Perreault, Rick Martin, and Rene Robert. What little got by Crisp and his fellow mates was turned back by goalie Bernie Parent, who won his second Conn Smythe trophy as the MVP of the playoffs. The Flyers had now firmly entrenched themselves as a dynasty. They returned for a third consecutive appearance in the Stanley Cup finals in 1976, but were turned aside by a powerful Montreal Canadiens team, which won the first of their four championships in a row.

MXD
11-05-2007, 06:54 AM
http://www.azhockey.com/images%20-%20logos/LogoWhaNewYorkRaiders.jpg

Pete Peeters

http://hfboards.com/imagehosting/thum_21448472e53025cb73.jpg (http://hfboards.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10028)

Vezina trophy winner (1983), Hart trophy runner-up (1983), First team all-star (1983)
All-star game (1980, 1981, 1983, 1984)
246 career wins, 21 shutouts
Canada Cup '84 winning goaltender after starting tourney as the back-up

NHL record: Longest unbeaten streak by a rookie goaltender (27 games -- 22-0-5 -- in 1979-80)



http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1977/77135.html


http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=18656

NHL GAA Leader: 1982-83 (Boston) (2.36), 1987-88 (Wash.) (2.78)


(Coach Shero would appreciate the emotion, the fire, of a backup goalie jumping the boards and standing up for his teammates)

http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1977/77135.html


http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1977/77135.html


Also known as the Man Behind the Lightbulb.

reckoning
11-05-2007, 06:57 AM
Also known as the Man Behind the Lightbulb.
:biglaugh::biglaugh:

MXD
11-05-2007, 06:57 AM
Pilote was clearly the best D-man in the NHL in the 60s. Can McInnis say that about any decade? Can he even come close to saying that?

If he was clearly the best D-Men of the 60ies, why did he lost the Norris to such "lesser" candidates (as opposed to D-Men who won it during Al McInnis career)?

(Nothing against Harry Howell and Jacques Laperriere, but they ain't Nik Lidstrom).

And losing the Norris to Howell is one thing, losing it Howell during can be arguably considered his best season raise questions.

MXD
11-05-2007, 07:01 AM
I really wanted him at this point.
There has been lots of talk lately about bad journalism/sensationnalist journalism *hey, I live in Montreal*, so I thought having Peeters and Anderson would discourage them...

Rick Middleton
11-05-2007, 07:09 AM
I dont feel that Brian Leetch is a better d-man then MacInnis and I dont think Pronger is in his class yet! I could had Chelios but I took the home grown talent instead;) Had Chelios last draft!


I don't think anybody thinks Leetch was a better D-Men that McInnis. I would take McInnis ahead of Pilote as well.

I agree. I think MacInnis was a perfectly reasonable pick where he was taken. I would pick him over Horton or Pilote (Chelios is debatable), and I've got big Al rated ahead of Scott Stevens, as well.

MacInnis was consistently an elite player for a long time and owns quite possibly the greatest point shot in NHL history. Al's thunderclap slappers on the power play are a bloody nice weapon, and we all know how important special teams play is in the playoffs.


I took Leetch at 55, while MacInnis was taken at 40. I don't see why there is a fuss to discredit Leetch over MacInnis.

MXD
11-05-2007, 07:10 AM
I took Leetch at 55, while MacInnis was taken at 40. I don't see why there is a fuss to discredit Leetch over MacInnis.
There wasn't actually...

Rick Middleton
11-05-2007, 07:22 AM
There wasn't actually...

LL was trying to justify his selection of MacInnis by juxtaposing him against Leetch. I fail to see how Leetch at the end of the 2nd round is a bad pick.

EagleBelfour
11-05-2007, 07:24 AM
I'm taking Chelios, Coffey, Horton, Clapper ahead of MacInnis. Still unsure about Pilote. Clearly a step ahead than Seibert, Leetch, Cleghorn, Niedermayer or Pronger. That's what I think. In my opinion, it's the worst selection of the round, but it's not a bad selection.

arrbez
11-05-2007, 07:25 AM
Pilote was clearly the best D-man in the NHL in the 60s. Can McInnis say that about any decade? Can he even come close to saying that?

MacInnis played in a ridiculously competitive era for defencemen. Pilote was certainly never up against the likes of Bourque, Coffey, Chelios, Leetch, Lidstrom, Stevens, Murphy, etc during his prime. The 10 year span from about 1988-1997 may be the most competitive ever as far as HOF defencemen playing at their peaks.

That's no discredit to Pilote as a player, but he wouldn't have been the best of his era either if he was up against guys like Bourque and Chelios during his prime.

LapierreSports
11-05-2007, 11:05 AM
Last pick of the draft for me boys, going the obscure HOF'er route with Tommy Dunderdale.

Dunderdale was noted as a deft stickhandler and fast skater and turned to coaching and managing teams in Los Angeles, Edmonton, and Winnipeg when his playing days were over.

Evil Sather
11-05-2007, 11:33 AM
If I haven't already been skipped, please skip me. I'll pick when I have more time.

God Bless Canada
11-05-2007, 11:44 AM
If I haven't already been skipped, please skip me. I'll pick when I have more time.
I think your time limit is up in two hours.

MXD is up. Murphy has an outstanding pick to make up.

The last three days has really reinforced the need to have six-hour limits in the final few rounds.

EagleBelfour
11-05-2007, 11:50 AM
MXD select goaltender Bob Froese

reckoning
11-05-2007, 12:12 PM
Ottawa selects WHA scoring star Marc Tardif.

Evil Sather
11-05-2007, 12:14 PM
The New York Rangers select as an assistant coach a guy who is probably better suited to being a systems guy, an excellent X's and O's teacher who won a cup with the Avs in that capacity as well as instilling an excellent trap and transition defense all those years in Ottawa, Adams winner Ass. Coach Jacques Martin.

God Bless Canada
11-05-2007, 12:17 PM
The New York Rangers select as an assistant coach a guy who is probably better suited to being a systems guy, an excellent X's and O's teacher who won a cup with the Avs in that capacity as well as instilling an excellent trap and transition defense all those years in Ottawa, Adams winner Ass. Coach Jacques Martin.
That's actually a pretty good assistant coach for your team, a strategist whose teams are generally well-prepared. (Except for when they played the Toronto Maple Leafs in the playoffs). And Martin has successfully played second banana to Pat Quinn.

Evil Sather
11-05-2007, 12:22 PM
That's actually a pretty good assistant coach for your team, a strategist whose teams are generally well-prepared. (Except for when they played the Toronto Maple Leafs in the playoffs). And Martin has successfully played second banana to Pat Quinn.

It works for me, and it's a no brainer between a 14th forward, 8th D, 3rd goalie, or assistant who can do all the heavy work systems wise while the head coach can run things from a morale and energy perspective. Only one of those 4 choices is going to have a lasting impact on my team.

There's really no way to get an elite winger anymore (unless someone wants to trade!) so a strong defensive coaching presence was really all I lacked that I could get.

Murphy
11-05-2007, 12:50 PM
Sorry for missing my pick guys, I had a real hectic weekend and pretty much only had time to check for a message this weekend and there wasn't one!

The Edmonton Oilers select a bench boss to assist playing coach Lemaire. Fresh off his victory in the ATD #7 Minor league Championship as head coach of the Penticton Vees the Oilers tap Billy Reay to run their bench.

MXD
11-05-2007, 04:20 PM
Last pick of the draft for me boys, going the obscure HOF'er route with Tommy Dunderdale.

Dunderdale was noted as a deft stickhandler and fast skater and turned to coaching and managing teams in Los Angeles, Edmonton, and Winnipeg when his playing days were over.

You forgot one thing about Dunderdale... in fact, you forgot two things.

- Triple tough
- 145 pounds.

BlueBleeder
11-05-2007, 05:18 PM
I thought about taking Dunderdale a few rounds back.

VanIslander
11-05-2007, 05:21 PM
The Edmonton Oilers select a bench boss to assist playing coach Lemaire. Fresh off his victory in the ATD #7 Minor league Championship as head coach of the Penticton Vees the Oilers tap Billy Reay to run their bench.
:handclap: 598 wins (in Chicago alone his record is 516-335-161 record in 14 seasons), three trips to the Stanley Cup finals, and one of the most likeable coaches in hockey history

http://www.suntimes.com/realchicago_sports/1960s/1960s_sports/29.jpg

"He was a players' coach, a class act," said Hawks assistant general manager Dale Tallon, who played four seasons under Reay early in his career. "He carried himself with such dignity and pride, it rubbed off on you.

He treated you like a man. He respected you, and you respected him. There was no yelling. He didn't say much, but when he did, it was pretty poignant. He also loved his horses, and he trained his hockey players like his horses. He didn't wear you out. He knew when to push the right buttons."

About all Reay didn't do as a coach was win the Stanley Cup. He was part of two championship teams, in 1946 and 1953, while playing for the Montreal Canadiens, but he couldn't quite get the job done as a coach.

His Hawks teams reached the finals three times. In 1971, they lost in seven games to the Canadiens, dropping the deciding game 3-2 on home ice.

Reay took the Hawks to the finals in 1973, but they again lost to Montreal, this time in six games.

"It really thrilled me to join the Blackhawks' organization and then to be lucky enough to coach the team for the number of years I did," Reay wrote. The boys who played for me were some of the greatest hockey players -- Stan Mikita, Bobby Hull, Bill Hay, Eric Nesterenko, Chico Maki, Pat Stapleton, Bill White, Tony Esposito, Glenn Hall, Dennis Hull, Pit Martin, Jimmy Pappin -- and they all were great guys. I always felt that they gave 100 percent of themselves to me and to the game. They were so proud of being Blackhawks. Wearing the Blackhawk crest really meant something to everybody who ever wore it."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20040925/ai_n12561637

pitseleh
11-05-2007, 06:21 PM
Alright, I think Speaker's time is now up.

The Clippers are proud to announce our final selection, D Gilles Marotte.

Nicknamed “Captain Crunch”, Marotte was a devastating hitter in his compact frame. He was also a good skater and a good puck mover, topping 20 assists six times despite playing on some very bad teams. He fits in well as a seventh defenseman, able to provide either offense or defense on the bottom pairing depending on who is out of the lineup.

EagleBelfour
11-05-2007, 06:22 PM
With our last pick, the 670th overall, the Detroit Falcons select Lynn Patrick

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/members/splash/P198002S.jpg

Stanley Cup (1940)
Maurice Richard Trophy (1942)
First All-Star Team Left Wing (1942)
Second All-Star Team Left Wing (1943)
Lester Patrick Trophy (1989)
Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1980)

MXD
11-05-2007, 06:36 PM
Thanks for calling my pick EB

Nabbing a third goaltender was close to an obligation for my team, considering the question marks around Alex Connell and Vlad Dzurilla concerning the long NHL seasons. In Froese, I selected a guy that was close to being a career backup, but one who could teach things to other goaltenders - something that would benefit both Connell and Dzurilla. Froese posted one of the best seasons of the '80ies for a goaltender in 1985, and was pretty constant through his career. His 0.909 %SV in 1985 ranks amongst the best (if not THE best) for an '80 goalies, as does his career SV% of 0.890. He will especially be asked to take some load off The Fireman and Maco. Especially Maco, if he starts to lose weight.

He never had any postseason sucess (awful would be more descriptive), but is not expected to see any action in playoffs.

Nalyd Psycho
11-05-2007, 08:07 PM
The Oakland Seals select D George McNamara.

A big punishing defenseman who served overseas during WW1.

More details to come.

pitseleh
11-05-2007, 08:31 PM
The Oakland Seals select D George McNamara.

A big punishing defenseman who served overseas during WW1.

More details to come.

Nice choice, I've been back and forth between Marotte and McNamara for the past few days. I actually changed my mind this afternoon then changed it back before I picked.

Nalyd Psycho
11-05-2007, 08:36 PM
Nice choice, I've been back and forth between Marotte and McNamara for the past few days. I actually changed my mind this afternoon then changed it back before I picked.

He was our plan B if we missed Norstrom, so we're very happy to get him as the 7th guy.

ck26
11-05-2007, 08:44 PM
Remote chance I have a trade in the works, but I'll go ahead and mercifully end this thing.

The Dallas Blackhawks are only missing two elements -- a big-time stud scorer and someone capable of playing some EHL hockey.

The ship has pretty much sailed on the former, but the latter is available. From Waldheim, Saskatchewan ...

The Hammer, Dave Schultz

pitseleh
11-05-2007, 08:46 PM
He was our plan B if we missed Norstrom, so we're very happy to get him as the 7th guy.

Yeah, I remember you reunited him with his partner in crime in the MLD a couple drafts ago.

I wish I knew more about him, I just couldn't justify picking him based upon how little I understood his game.

VanIslander
11-05-2007, 08:52 PM
End of draft

:handclap: good job! it went pretty well :handclap:

time to UPDATE our rosters on the roster thread
add/drops can be done here if you want to change a player
do some analyses for a few days, digest it all before getting into voting

-------------------

reminder: there will be a minor league draft for all undrafted players

so please don't post comments about undrafted players who should have been picked

pass those names via PM to someone who wants to g.m. a minor league team and they can get an early round gem

(minor league draft sign-up thread will be created before long but the minor league draft won't itself begin until the fourth round of the atd8 playoffs or december at the very least)

Nalyd Psycho
11-05-2007, 09:03 PM
Yeah, I remember you reunited him with his partner in crime in the MLD a couple drafts ago.

I wish I knew more about him, I just couldn't justify picking him based upon how little I understood his game.

Yeah, that's why I'm happier with him as a 7th guy. He could be good enough for the 2nd pairing, but it's so hard to say. But as an injury fill in and a guy to add a more punishing presence to our blueline when we need it, he's a great pick up IMO.

End of draft


Still one skipped pick no?

Evil Speaker
11-05-2007, 09:05 PM
The Boston Bruins select Ron Duguay

MXD
11-05-2007, 09:50 PM
The Boston Bruins select Ron Duguay

WHAT?!?!? HE WASN'T PICKED?!?!?!?!
We especially had a scout assigned to nightclubs. He obviously forgot about the "working" part of his job, except for bringing some cheerleaders prospects. That scout will be fired for sure -- I told him to scout Manhattan, it wasn't for cheerleaders... I would have told him to look in Montreal for the ladies, with Dallas being a distant second!

pitseleh
11-05-2007, 09:53 PM
The Boston Bruins select Ron Duguay

Hot.

http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/gems/ron-duguay-poster.jpg

MXD
11-05-2007, 09:57 PM
Hot.

http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/gems/ron-duguay-poster.jpg

Hey! He even stole my haircut, seriously!

Evil Speaker
11-05-2007, 10:02 PM
Hot.

http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/gems/ron-duguay-poster.jpg

:biglaugh::handclap:

BlueBleeder
11-05-2007, 10:31 PM
The St Louis Eagles are letting Bryan Murray go, and signing the coach I wanted but couldn't find any info on until after the selection Dr. Jan Starsi who will run our transition offense.

Sturminator
11-06-2007, 05:13 AM
I've done some more research into the postseason all-star teams of the 30's after the controversy around Red Horner's lack of selections and what I've found is interesting, to say the least. Sadly, we don't have the actual all-star voting for the 30's, so I've been forced to juxtapose all-star selections with statistics in my analysis, but I think the results are interesting, all the same.

I'll add before I begin with the number-crunching that numbers are obviously not everything. I have no quantifiable yardstick for determining a player's defensive contributions (though I will try to take what is known anecdotally about a player's defensive play into account when discussing my findings), so if you think that torpedoes the whole project, so be it. Also, many all-star selections over the years are head-scratchers, and I'm not going to delve deep into every single statistical discrepancy. Player X scoring five more points than player Y but losing in the all-star voting to player Y isn't an important event to me, but there are some apparent anomalies in 30's all-star voting that I think can be brought to light by looking at the relevant statistics. Ok, here goes.

- Dit Clapper: 30-31 - 2nd team all-star right wing
22-8-30

Charlie Conacher killed Clapper in goals in 30-31 and beat him in assists, going 31-12-43. What on earth was Clapper doing so well that it made up for Conacher scoring almost 50% more points?

- Bill Cook: 33-34 - 2nd team all-star right wing
13-13-26

This one is pretty glaring. 33-34 was a real down year for Cook, who only put up as many points as the top-scoring right wing on his own team (Cecil Dillon) had assists. Eh? Larry Aurie also had a great season in 33-34, going 16-19-35 and putting up 3-7-10 in 9 playoff games as a kicker. Both Dillon and Aurie were known as strong checkers, so it's hard to see what Bill Cook had over them given the rather wide discrepancy in points (not to mention linemates).

- Aurel Joliat: 34-35 - 2nd team all-star left wing
17-12-29

Again, what the hell? 34-35 marks the beginning of Joliat's decline as a scorer. Although we know that Aurel was valuable to his team and played a tough all-around game, he got statistically smoked by a number of other left wings in 34-35, all of whom played pretty darned complete games, themselves. Syd Howe led all left wings in scoring (and was 2nd in the league) with 22-25-47, in spite of playing the first three-quarters of the season on a sinking ship in St. Louis. Howe also put up a gaudy 8-12-20 in 14 games after coming to Detroit in a late-season trade. I don't care if Aurel Joliat caught pucks with his teeth, Howe scored 62% more points than Joliat.

Herbie Lewis also had a fantastic season in 34-35, going 16-27-43 and, like Howe, presumably providing the same high level of defensive play that he displayed throughout his career.

Finally, Paul Thompson (another strong defensive left winger) put up 16-23-39. I haven't even checked outside of the top-10 lists to see if any other left wingers beat Joliat in 34-35, though I don't think it much matters.

Joliat's 5th place finish in Hart voting in 34-35 raises some interesting questions. It's kind of a mystery to me what went on with him that season.

- XXX: 36-37 2nd team all-star center
8-23-31

Simply put, Syl Apps smoked XXX in every way imaginable in 36-37. It's not even close.

It looks very much to me like the powers that be in the NHL started off the all-star selections in a manner that a former soldier like myself would probably describe as "deeply grabasstic". There are some throbbingly obvious "career value" or "sorry we shafted you last year" makeup picks given out with the 2nd team slots.

Chapman, for example, was very good in 35-36 (4th in points), but got probably rightly stiffed for an all-star nod in favor of Hooley Smith and Bill Toms. Apps was in his first year in the league in 36-37 and clearly didn't get the respect of what appear to have been an outrageously stodgy group of NHL voters in the 1930s. Chapman got the 2nd team nod as a makeup for the previous season in spite of being clearly inferior to Apps.

Clapper was huge in 29-30, but there was no all-star team that year, and was almost certainly given a makeup award over Charlie Conacher in 30-31. Bill Cook's award in 33-34 looks pretty clearly like a "career value" award given out of respect for the fact that Cook played half of his career before the advent of all-star teams and thus was deserving of a bit more love, in spite of the fact that he wasn't even the best right wing on his team that season.

Joliat is a more interesting case because of the Hart voting. It's really hard to say what went on with him that season, but at any rate, Joliat winning the all-star pick over Syd Howe (or any of the three players mentioned) is actually the most glaring statistical anomaly of them all. The somewhat dodgy looking distribution of all-star selections among 30's defensemen and the obviously broken distribution among the forwards are mutually reinforcing pieces of information.

I am left with a picture of a league that had little clue what it was doing with its all-star picks in the first decade of the institution's existence. There is a very clear bias against younger players (which has existed in all eras, but this one is more extreme) and against picking two players at the same position on the same team (the defensemen, Howe and Lewis in Detroit, Dillon and Cook in New York - again, vote-splitting has always existed, but this seems an extreme case). Older players were given awards they didn't deserve at the time and several of the picks look almost as if they were made at the beginning of the season rather than the end. The fact that one of the leading scorers but least admired men of the decade (Nels Stewart) was completely shafted from the all-star teams also calls into question to what extent the award was a popularity contest (although one could ask the same question today, I suppose).

At any rate, the all-star team selections seem to clean up considerably at the end of the decade (right around the same time Shore and Clapper were named to the team together) and there's nothing conclusive in my little number-crunching exercize, but I think it's interesting data, all the same. I apologize for using the names of potential minor-league draftees, but I put a lot of work into this research and I think it's an important enough point to make that it shouldn't be partially obscured by the dreaded XXX.

Nalyd Psycho
11-06-2007, 05:42 AM
One theory with Joliat beating Howe could be that Howe played center for most of the season. But St. Louis had no other top line LW so I doubt it, they had a decent C and a platoon of scoring RWs and Bill Cowley in the pipeline at center, but, still very raw. Detroit had Cooney Weiland at center, but also had Herbie Lewis and another underafted player who lead the team in goals on the left wing. So, I'd conclude that while he played most of the season at LW in St. Louis, he played center in Detroit and voters counted that against him. I think actually, that acquiring Syd Howe is what gave Jack Adams the oppertunity to switch Ebbie Goodfellow to defense.

Weird that versitility would work against him like that.

Hockey Outsider
11-06-2007, 07:47 AM
Sadly, we don't have the actual all-star voting for the 30's

See the awards & voting thread (History forum). I dug up a lot of the historical all-star team voting numbers, from 1931 until around 1950, over the summer (I believe it starts on the bottom of page 5). My work was mostly summarizing the data rather than analyzing it, but I agree that there are some weird results. For example, one year, Hap Day deserved a spot that went to another player (I think Lionel Conacher) because he had more votes both at his position and in total! There was another weird vote (I think with Aurel Joliat?), who won the Hart but easily got beaten for the first-team spot. Tie-breaking was handled differently as well (two players tied for the first-team spot one year when they would have been split between the first and second team by today's rules). I'm not saying that the early all-star teams are worthless, but I agree that we should look at them with some scepticism. (Though I believe we should use some scepticism for any award in any era).

One thing that might have worked against Horner is that, in the 1930s, they had voting on a left D/right D basis. Nowadays, all defensemen eligible for any of the first or second team spots. I don't remember offhand if Horner is a left or right D, but if he was the same position as Shore, he had no chance at making the first team for virtually his entire career.

Two more quick points. First, Nels Stewart's two best seasons (he won the Hart twice) came before all-star teams were around. He clearly would have been an all-star twice. However, the rest of his career, he was consistently hanging around 5-10 in goals and points. That's still quite good obviously, but none of them were necessarily all-star calibre seasons. So I don't think he necessarily lost out on undeserved spots.

Second, based on my work, I'd say that the voting was too complex and widespread for there to be any intentional biases against young players or any "lifetime achievement awards". But sometimes there are biases where a lot of sports writers think and vote the same way. A bias is possible, but it's not like the NHL decided to give Bill Cook a career achievement award.

Nalyd Psycho
11-06-2007, 04:06 PM
One thing that might have worked against Horner is that, in the 1930s, they had voting on a left D/right D basis. Nowadays, all defensemen eligible for any of the first or second team spots. I don't remember offhand if Horner is a left or right D, but if he was the same position as Shore, he had no chance at making the first team for virtually his entire career.


Right side, which puts him in direct competition with Shore and Seibert.

vancityluongo
11-06-2007, 04:16 PM
We have Kirk McLean on the trade block.

ck26
11-06-2007, 04:17 PM
We have Kirk McLean on the trade block.Is he the only guy on the block?

:sarcasm:

Sturminator
11-06-2007, 04:22 PM
One thing that might have worked against Horner is that, in the 1930s, they had voting on a left D/right D basis. Nowadays, all defensemen eligible for any of the first or second team spots. I don't remember offhand if Horner is a left or right D, but if he was the same position as Shore, he had no chance at making the first team for virtually his entire career.

That's good stuff, HO. Based on handedness, unless they were playing in bizarro world, Horner was a right D and Clancy (his regular partner) was a left D. Shore was a right D, as well, correct? Do you know what side Earl Seibert played? I hadn't realized that the early all-star voting for defensemen was restricted by side, and as Shore and Seibert are both pretty much 1000 lb. gorillas, it seems fairly relevant which side they played. Many of the top defensemen of the era were right shots (which is odd): Shore, Seibert, Clapper, Coulter, Horner, Mantha and Wentworth (there may be others). All can't have been right Ds as four were once all-stars at the same time (Shore, Clapper, Seibert and Coulter), but unless things were really done differently in the 30's, it does look like a crowded field on the right side. It was, in all honesty, a crowded field anyway.

Second, based on my work, I'd say that the voting was too complex and widespread for there to be any intentional biases against young players or any "lifetime achievement awards". But sometimes there are biases where a lot of sports writers think and vote the same way. A bias is possible, but it's not like the NHL decided to give Bill Cook a career achievement award.

Well...sometimes I think there are intentional biases; Ted Kennedy's Hart Trophy, for example. In the case of all-star voting in the 30's, it may just be the case that the writers went into the season with such solid preconceived notions of who was best that they largely ignored the actual hockey being played, but clearly there was something rather off about the voting on a number of occasions.

Nalyd Psycho
11-06-2007, 04:35 PM
All can't have been right Ds as four were once all-stars at the same time (Shore, Clapper, Seibert and Coulter), but unless things were really done differently in the 30's, it does look like a crowded field on the right side. It was, in all honesty, a crowded field anyway.


I don't think it was that way for the whole decade, just like the 1st 5 or so times. I can't recall the exact switch over.

Hockey Outsider
11-06-2007, 06:44 PM
All can't have been right Ds as four were once all-stars at the same time (Shore, Clapper, Seibert and Coulter), but unless things were really done differently in the 30's, it does look like a crowded field on the right side. It was, in all honesty, a crowded field anyway.

A lot of writers are confused about which side a player is on, too. There are many cases of a player receiving votes on both sides.

I have Shore, Seibert and Coulter listed as right-handed and Siebert as left-handed, so the only discrepancy for the year you're referring to (1938) is if Coulter was a right-handed D playing on the left side.

I don't think it was that way for the whole decade, just like the 1st 5 or so times. I can't recall the exact switch over.

I don't have too many details for the first two years (1931 and 1932), but votes were split between left and right defenseman as early as 1933. This format continues until 1938. I have no details about 1939, but the left/right split is gone in 1940 (and all years thereafter).

========

Here's one thing that still bugs me. Pitseleh would probably be interested in hearing that Hap Day was screwed out of an all-star spot in 1933. I'm not saying that he probably deserved a spot and didn't get it--I mean the writers actually gave him enough votes, and, for some reason, he still didn't get it!

Right defense: Eddie Shore 29, (Ivan, I'm assuming) Johnson 2, King Clancy 1 (total votes = 32)

Left defense: Ivan Johnson 17, Hap Day 4, Bill Brydge 3, King Clancy 3, Lionel Conacher 3, Eddie Shore 2 (total votes = 32)

Eddie Shore and Ivan Johnson have huge leads and both get a spot on the 1st team. Johnson is second on the right side but he obviously can't get on twice, so the next best righty, King Clancy, is selected. (I'm a big fan of Clancy but it's pretty unimpressive to earn a spot on the all-star team by getting just one vote).

Lionel Conacher is chosen as the 2nd-team all-star for left D. This doesn't make sense! Hap Day clearly has more votes (4 vs 3), and Conacher didn't have any votes as a righty to give him an advantage. Even Bill Brydge (I'll admit, I've never even heard of him) has as many votes as Day. It looks like Day got blatantly cheated out of a spot!

Maybe I wrote these down wrong, or maybe the Globe had a typo. But, as far as I can tell, Hap Day should have been an all-star in 1933.

MXD
11-06-2007, 06:46 PM
Right defense: Eddie Shore 29, (Ivan, I'm assuming) Johnson 2, King Clancy 1 (total votes = 32)

Left defense: Ivan Johnson 17, Hap Day 4, Bill Brydge 3, King Clancy 3, Lionel Conacher 3, Eddie Shore 2 (total votes = 32)

Eddie Shore and Ivan Johnson have huge leads and both get a spot on the 1st team. Johnson is second on the right side but he obviously can't get on twice, so the next best righty, King Clancy, is selected. (I'm a big fan of Clancy but it's pretty unimpressive to earn a spot on the all-star team by getting just one vote).

Lionel Conacher is chosen as the 2nd-team all-star for left D. This doesn't make sense! Hap Day clearly has more votes (4 vs 3), and Conacher didn't have any votes as a righty to give him an advantage. Even Bill Brydge (I'll admit, I've never even heard of him) has as many votes as Day. It looks like Day got blatantly cheated out of a spot!

Maybe I wrote these down wrong, or maybe the Globe had a typo. But, as far as I can tell, Hap Day should have been an all-star in 1933.

I guess somebody was suffering from "left-right dyslexia" amongst columnists.

vancityluongo
11-06-2007, 07:45 PM
Is he the only guy on the block?

:sarcasm:

Savard......;)

pitseleh
11-06-2007, 07:53 PM
Here's one thing that still bugs me. Pitseleh would probably be interested in hearing that Hap Day was screwed out of an all-star spot in 1933. I'm not saying that he probably deserved a spot and didn't get it--I mean the writers actually gave him enough votes, and, for some reason, he still didn't get it!

Right defense: Eddie Shore 29, (Ivan, I'm assuming) Johnson 2, King Clancy 1 (total votes = 32)

Left defense: Ivan Johnson 17, Hap Day 4, Bill Brydge 3, King Clancy 3, Lionel Conacher 3, Eddie Shore 2 (total votes = 32)

Eddie Shore and Ivan Johnson have huge leads and both get a spot on the 1st team. Johnson is second on the right side but he obviously can't get on twice, so the next best righty, King Clancy, is selected. (I'm a big fan of Clancy but it's pretty unimpressive to earn a spot on the all-star team by getting just one vote).

Lionel Conacher is chosen as the 2nd-team all-star for left D. This doesn't make sense! Hap Day clearly has more votes (4 vs 3), and Conacher didn't have any votes as a righty to give him an advantage. Even Bill Brydge (I'll admit, I've never even heard of him) has as many votes as Day. It looks like Day got blatantly cheated out of a spot!

Maybe I wrote these down wrong, or maybe the Globe had a typo. But, as far as I can tell, Hap Day should have been an all-star in 1933.

It may just be me, but I think that's hilarious.

Diving Pokecheck*
11-08-2007, 09:07 PM
When are the actual series going to start?

VanIslander
11-09-2007, 11:29 PM
Regina's third line centre, Joe Thornton, had a partial breakaway in the NHL tonight in a 2-2 third period play against divisional rival Ducks that saw the centre break in a half step ahead of the defenseman, with a clear chance to shoot on goal, skater vs. goalie.... and what does Thornton do? .... I couldn't believe it ... he decided to swerve left and go behind the net, coming out the other side looking for the pass... :banghead: that is ... so.... J.T. .. always looking for the pass, even on a breakaway :biglaugh: it should be a highlight moment... and you know, if the pass he eventually made to Pavelski hadn't been checked away and if a goal had resulted instead then it WOULD be a highlight play, typifying his genius as a passer..... Thornton is a true passer.. to a fault

arrbez
11-12-2007, 08:59 AM
When are the actual series going to start?

Yeah, I was just wondering. Do we have a date set for regular season voting and all that? Should be pretty soon, right? I think everyone's team has been reviewed a couple of times by now

BM67
11-12-2007, 09:21 AM
Now that we're through the long weekend, start sending me your rankings.

Rank the teams in their divisions from 1 to 7, leaving your team out in your own divison. Co-gm's can both send in rankings, as can our lurkers, if they wish.

Hockey Outsider
11-13-2007, 01:23 PM
Now that we're through the long weekend, start sending me your rankings.

Rank the teams in their divisions from 1 to 7, leaving your team out in your own divison. Co-gm's can both send in rankings, as can our lurkers, if they wish.

When are the ranking due? Can we have until the weekend?

seventieslord
11-13-2007, 01:49 PM
When are the ranking due? Can we have until the weekend?

Yeah, count me in as someone who needs time. How long do we have?

BM67
11-13-2007, 09:08 PM
When are the ranking due? Can we have until the weekend?

Yeah, count me in as someone who needs time. How long do we have?

Hey, surely you had your ranks finalized by the 6th round. ;)

It would be nice to be able to announce the standings on Sunday, rather than Monday.

So I'll set the deadline at 3 pm eastern on Sunday.

vancityluongo
11-13-2007, 09:36 PM
Hey, surely you had your ranks finalized by the 6th round. ;)

It would be nice to be able to announce the standings on Sunday, rather than Monday.

So I'll set the deadline at 3 pm eastern on Sunday.

I'll have mine done...but just a hypothetical: say I don't get mine in by then, and I send em in, oh, lets say Monday...what happens? :)

pitseleh
11-13-2007, 09:39 PM
Hey, surely you had your ranks finalized by the 6th round. ;)

It would be nice to be able to announce the standings on Sunday, rather than Monday.

So I'll set the deadline at 3 pm eastern on Sunday.

Good stuff. The rankings have gotten much tougher with each draft. There is so much parity in the divisions right now, it's definitely going to take some time and effort to put these rankings together.

VanIslander
11-13-2007, 10:34 PM
...a hypothetical: say I don't get mine in by then, and I send em in, oh, lets say Monday...what happens? :)
http://trashcansunlimited.com/library/GrandSwingCan-GlossyPlatinum.jpeg

KidOftheBlackHole
11-14-2007, 04:47 AM
Just discovered this forum. Is cool.

An opening salvo..

How does Boom Boom Geoffrion barely crack the top 50? He's probably one of the top 10 offensive players ever. His '60 campaign was one for the ages.

Count the players who've had definitively better years: Morenz, Beliveau, Hull, Esposito, Howe, Gretzky, LaFleur, Lemieux. Thats it. I didn't double check but those are all first round picks. Production wise, accounting for era, he compares to Jagr but more goals, less assists.

ck26
11-14-2007, 04:58 AM
Just discovered this forum. Is cool.

An opening salvo..

How does Boom Boom Geoffrion barely crack the top 50? He's probably one of the top 10 offensive players ever. His '60 campaign was one for the ages.

Count the players who've had definitively better years: Morenz, Beliveau, Hull, Esposito, Howe, Gretzky, LaFleur, Lemieux. Thats it. I didn't double check but those are all first round picks. Production wise, accounting for era, he compares to Jagr but more goals, less assists.I can't speak for anyone else, but my knock against him (and Jagr, for that matter) is that they were primarily offensive players. We aren't ranking greatness, we're trying to build a balanced, capable team. I took Larry Robinson and Bryan Trottier ahead of Geoffrion, and he would have been a coin-toss had he still been on the board when I took Jari Kurri a few picks later. Robinson and Trottier were tremendous two-way players who could be on the ice in any situation, something you can't really say about a lot of the great scorers in hockey history. Add in a smattering of goalies, and it's easy for someone to slip from 20 to 50.

Just looking at right wingers:

3 Gordie Howe
6 Maurice Richard
10 Guy Lafleur
17 Mike Bossy
28 Jaromir Jagr
45 Dit Clapper sorta
48 Bernie Geoffrion

Calling Boom Boom the 7th best RW ever to play isn't unreasonable (Lafleur, Bossy, Jagr and Geoffrion are all just about the same in my book) ... keep in mind that scoring right wingers are plentiful in hockey history, so it's not as if you must take one early to get one. There is a premium on prodigies like Gretzky and Beliveau (don't think Geoffrion goes in that category) and a premium on defenders with offensive upside (Orr, Harvey, Robinson, Potvn) ... factor those together and right wingers just slip a bit.

VanIslander
11-14-2007, 05:03 AM
When Vladimir Martinec and Ziggy Palffy are still left available to be picked in the 24th round, 649th and 651st overall, :amazed: you know there are A LOT of quality scoring right wingers... it is one of the deepest positions in the draft, in the history of hockey.

Roger's Pancreas*
11-14-2007, 12:31 PM
Hey, surely you had your ranks finalized by the 6th round. ;)

It would be nice to be able to announce the standings on Sunday, rather than Monday.

So I'll set the deadline at 3 pm eastern on Sunday.That's reasonable.

Frightened Inmate #2
11-14-2007, 01:43 PM
When Vladimir Martinec and Ziggy Palffy are still left available to be picked in the 24th round, 649th and 651st overall, :amazed: you know there are A LOT of quality scoring right wingers... it is one of the deepest positions in the draft, in the history of hockey.

I really don't understand your fascination with Zigmund Palffy, he was a solid first line scorer in his prime, but you make him out to be some kind of light power-forward, which he isn't. I know it is your thing to find an obscure quote from god knows where and highlight a part of it and form an opinion based on that alone.

Sturminator
11-14-2007, 03:32 PM
Just discovered this forum. Is cool.

An opening salvo..

How does Boom Boom Geoffrion barely crack the top 50? He's probably one of the top 10 offensive players ever. His '60 campaign was one for the ages.

Count the players who've had definitively better years: Morenz, Beliveau, Hull, Esposito, Howe, Gretzky, LaFleur, Lemieux. Thats it. I didn't double check but those are all first round picks. Production wise, accounting for era, he compares to Jagr but more goals, less assists.

If you're evaluating players based only on their single best season, then certainly Geoffrion (not to mention Dickie Moore) should rate higher than he's normally picked in this forum, but we don't do that. Boom Boom was a hell of a talent and I don't knock him for not playing a lot of defense because most of the top scorers didn't. Geoffrion's biggest issue is that he was battered for much of his career - missed a ton of games and wasn't always right even when he was playing. You know how many top-10 scoring finishes Geoffrion had after his huge season? Zero.

The guy still had a long and excellent career, but he's a player whose career is defined by peaks and valleys. The fact that he played for what is almost certainly the greatest hockey team ever assembled (and was essentially a 2nd liner behind the Rocket for a good chunk of his career) must be factored in, as well. Having Jean Beliveau feeding you pucks against 2nd pairing defensemen for most of your prime is a bit of an advantage.

VanIslander
11-14-2007, 03:45 PM
I really don't understand your fascination with Zigmund Palffy, he was a solid first line scorer in his prime, but you make him out to be some kind of light power-forward, which he isn't. I know it is your thing to find an obscure quote from god knows where and highlight a part of it and form an opinion based on that alone.
huh? :dunno: I mentioned Martinec and Palffy as "offensive right wingers" that dropped to round 24 as an example of the depth of scoring right wingers in the draft.

(I did mention elsewhere that Palffy has a competitive spirit and cited a quote where he yells at the refs, opposition and the ice! I also say he is willing to pay the cost by going into traffic. I never meant to suggest he is any kind of power forward, just that he meets Shero's edict that every man be willing to go into corners and traffic areas to get the puck. Of course, in doing so, Palffy was often the pinball and has been left on the ice countless times, though he also pops out with the puck and takes a quick shot as well.)

And I base my opinion of post 1979 players on hockey I have seen. That's why I tend to draft them: because I have seen them and have a decent sense of their style and performance. Basing one's opinion on an obscure quote is prevalent in picking golden oldies as - beside stats and awards - we often have little else to go on unfortunately.

Peace.

Leaf Lander
11-14-2007, 04:17 PM
Hey, surely you had your ranks finalized by the 6th round. ;)

It would be nice to be able to announce the standings on Sunday, rather than Monday.

So I'll set the deadline at 3 pm eastern on Sunday.

this sunday coming up right?

pitseleh
11-14-2007, 05:54 PM
I'll ask this here in case anyone has more information:

Does anyone have more information about Bill Cowley's speed? I'm getting conflicting information. According to legendsofhockey.net, Cowley used "his swift skating" to create offense but according to Ultimate Hockey, his teammates say "he was about as fast as an anchored rowboat". I'm trying to get a feel for Gwinnett's second line, so if anyone has some info, I'd appreciate it.

VanIslander
11-14-2007, 06:14 PM
Does anyone have more information about Bill Cowley's speed? I'm getting conflicting information. According to legendsofhockey.net, Cowley used "his swift skating" to create offense but according to Ultimate Hockey, his teammates say "he was about as fast as an anchored rowboat". I'm trying to get a feel for Gwinnett's second line, so if anyone has some info, I'd appreciate it.
I just assume he has average speed... not so important

Cowley is a playmaker who doesn't score many goals, churns out assists like crazy. That kind of player doesn't need much speed to succeed at doing what they do.

pitseleh
11-14-2007, 06:17 PM
I just assume he has average speed... not so important

Cowley is a playmaker who doesn't score many goals, churns out assists like crazy. That kind of player doesn't need much speed to succeed at doing what they do.

Fair enough. I just see a quick Cowley between two guys like Bondra and Shutt being pretty damn scary off the rush.

VanIslander
11-14-2007, 06:20 PM
Fair enough. I just see a quick Cowley between two guys like Bondra and Shutt being pretty damn scary off the rush.
I think he would have scored at a higher clip than an Adam Oates if that was the case. Getting the puck to those finishers is good enough.

BM67
11-14-2007, 07:40 PM
I'll ask this here in case anyone has more information:

Does anyone have more information about Bill Cowley's speed? I'm getting conflicting information. According to legendsofhockey.net, Cowley used "his swift skating" to create offense but according to Ultimate Hockey, his teammates say "he was about as fast as an anchored rowboat". I'm trying to get a feel for Gwinnett's second line, so if anyone has some info, I'd appreciate it.
I gather that he had good speed to begin with, but had trouble with a bad knee that probably cut his speed as he went along. He missed time at least 3 times because of knee injuries.

Evil Speaker
11-14-2007, 08:31 PM
If you're evaluating players based only on their single best season, then certainly Geoffrion (not to mention Dickie Moore) should rate higher than he's normally picked in this forum, but we don't do that. Boom Boom was a hell of a talent and I don't knock him for not playing a lot of defense because most of the top scorers didn't. Geoffrion's biggest issue is that he was battered for much of his career - missed a ton of games and wasn't always right even when he was playing. You know how many top-10 scoring finishes Geoffrion had after his huge season? Zero.

The guy still had a long and excellent career, but he's a player whose career is defined by peaks and valleys. The fact that he played for what is almost certainly the greatest hockey team ever assembled (and was essentially a 2nd liner behind the Rocket for a good chunk of his career) must be factored in, as well. Having Jean Beliveau feeding you pucks against 2nd pairing defensemen for most of your prime is a bit of an advantage.

You need to look at Bernie's playoff performance too..

Top playoff point scorers of the 1950's:

Geoffrion placed 1st,2nd,2nd,2nd,3rd,4th
Richard - 1st,2nd,2nd,3rd,3rd,5th
Beliveau - 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th
Howe - 1st,1st,4th,5th
Moore - 1st,1st,4th
Mackell - 1st,3rd
Lindsay - 1st,5th

Hey it looks like he even outmatched The Rocket. Wasn't he the best clutch player ever?

pitseleh
11-14-2007, 08:44 PM
I gather that he had good speed to begin with, but had trouble with a bad knee that probably cut his speed as he went along. He missed time at least 3 times because of knee injuries.

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks BM.

vancityluongo
11-14-2007, 08:44 PM
I can't speak for anyone else, but my knock against him (and Jagr, for that matter) is that they were primarily offensive players. We aren't ranking greatness, we're trying to build a balanced, capable team. I took Larry Robinson and Bryan Trottier ahead of Geoffrion, and he would have been a coin-toss had he still been on the board when I took Jari Kurri a few picks later. Robinson and Trottier were tremendous two-way players who could be on the ice in any situation, something you can't really say about a lot of the great scorers in hockey history. Add in a smattering of goalies, and it's easy for someone to slip from 20 to 50.

Just looking at right wingers:

3 Gordie Howe
6 Maurice Richard
10 Guy Lafleur
17 Mike Bossy
28 Jaromir Jagr
45 Dit Clapper sorta
48 Bernie Geoffrion

Calling Boom Boom the 7th best RW ever to play isn't unreasonable (Lafleur, Bossy, Jagr and Geoffrion are all just about the same in my book) ... keep in mind that scoring right wingers are plentiful in hockey history, so it's not as if you must take one early to get one. There is a premium on prodigies like Gretzky and Beliveau (don't think Geoffrion goes in that category) and a premium on defenders with offensive upside (Orr, Harvey, Robinson, Potvn) ... factor those together and right wingers just slip a bit.

Yeah, but it all depends on what you compliment them with. We've had this discussion numerous times, so nobodies changing their POV's. A Gainey-Gretzky-Jagr line has it all. Gretzky and Jagr being the offense, Gainey being the defense.

Leaf Lander
11-14-2007, 09:13 PM
cowley was fast

compared to bucyk:D

BM67
11-14-2007, 09:22 PM
You need to look at Bernie's playoff performance too..

Top playoff point scorers of the 1950's:

Geoffrion placed 1st,2nd,2nd,2nd,3rd,4th
Richard - 1st,2nd,2nd,3rd,3rd,5th
Beliveau - 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th
Howe - 1st,1st,4th,5th
Moore - 1st,1st,4th
Mackell - 1st,3rd
Lindsay - 1st,5th

Hey it looks like he even outmatched The Rocket. Wasn't he the best clutch player ever?

Here's something I worked on for the Dick Duff HHoF thread. All these guys won 6 or more Cups.

Finals Scoring on First & Game Winning goals
Player|Goals|Assists|Points|First G|First A|First Pts%|GWG|GWA|GWPts%
Dick Duff|14|19|33|5|13|54.5%|3|9|36.4%
Jean Beliveau|30|32|62|15|11|41.9%|9|8|27.4%
Maurice Richard|34|11|45|9|4|28.9%|8|3|24.4%
Henri Richard|19|26|45|4|5|20%|4|8|26.7%
Bernie Geoffrion|24|21|45|7|9|35.6%|6|7|28.9%
Dickie Moore|10|21|31|4|6|32.3%|2|3|16.1%
Frank Mahovlich|16|25|41|2|8|24.4%|2|3|12.2%

KidOftheBlackHole
11-14-2007, 11:55 PM
Boom Boom would miss anywhere from 10 to 30 games a year, its true. But if you look at per game stats, his numbers throughout the 50s stack up well vs almost anybody. He can't match Howe, thats true. Who exactly can?

He also, even on a per game basis, doesn't have the "big" years like Beliveau does except '60, but thats only a couple years like 58-59 really. In general, there isn't the separation between the stats of the two to suggest that Beliveau should get credit for making him THAT much better. 1960 is an example of him at his best, basically.

Finally, I don't bring up his playoff runs because obviously that's going to be colored by the team he played for.

Just looking at right wingers:

3 Gordie Howe
6 Maurice Richard
10 Guy Lafleur
17 Mike Bossy
28 Jaromir Jagr
45 Dit Clapper sorta
48 Bernie Geoffrion

I pretty much agree with that and feel it makes my point. I'm not sure Clapper quite belongs in the discussion though

The point is, all the others are first rounders, why not Geoffrion? I wouldn't take him over any of the others, but I would definitely take him next after those 6.

And he could also play Left Wing..

Maybe my drafting philosophy is biased, but it seems like real NHL teams would go for top line forwards and #1 D-Men in the first round. Goalies probably not because so many of them are hard to tell apart due to not having much statistical data, too much team bias, and because at that level its hard to distinguish one from another. I think Martin Brodeur was the worst pick of whatever round he went, incidentally.

Take Yzerman as an example in the first round. You are not magically going to get his best offense year(s) AND his defense all at the same time. Offensively he might have ended up near Dionne if he hadn't changed his game. As a two-way player he was a winner but not really a first round pick. Geoffrion was.

Sturminator
11-15-2007, 12:21 AM
You need to look at Bernie's playoff performance too..

Top playoff point scorers of the 1950's:

Geoffrion placed 1st,2nd,2nd,2nd,3rd,4th
Richard - 1st,2nd,2nd,3rd,3rd,5th
Beliveau - 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th
Howe - 1st,1st,4th,5th
Moore - 1st,1st,4th
Mackell - 1st,3rd
Lindsay - 1st,5th

Hey it looks like he even outmatched The Rocket. Wasn't he the best clutch player ever?

Geoffrion absolutely does deserve mention among the greatest playoff performers in history, and I get the impression that he'd have played more regular season games (and obviously put up better numbers) if not for the fact that the Habs often rested him to get him healthy for the postseason. I think the same thing likely happened with Dickie Moore. It's not as if those Habs teams were fighting for a playoff spot in the regular season. I wasn't alive or was very young at the time all of this was going on so it's mainly conjecture on my part, but that's the impression I've always gotten. Maybe pappy has a clearer picture?

Relative team strength has to be taken into account when looking at raw playoff numbers, as well. In the 50's, the top Habs forwards and the Production Line guys are the only players who really had a decent shot at being the top playoff scorers in any given year (makes Fleming Mackell's achievements all the more impressive on an overmatched Bruins team). Geoffrion's playoff scoring record (and his consistency in the postseason in spite of his irregular regular season performances - again, I think it's a question of health) certainly is impressive, but I don't find it very surprising given the circumstances.

At any rate, my first post wasn't meant as a shot at Bernie Geoffrion. I consider him one of the known quantities of the draft. With the exception of Milt Schmidt this time around, until at least the 3rd round there isn't anything I'd consider drama nor any player whose record isn't well-known, front and back, side to side. I was just pointing out that getting a clear picture of any one player (nevermind a whole team) involves a lot more than simply looking at his best regular season performance. Considering that the question posed was basically "why isn't Geoffrion a 1st rounder?" I thought it was appropriate to highlite the reasons why he isn't rather than the other good things about him that hadn't been mentioned yet.

He's one wing on arguably the best line in the draft, in my opinion. I should also mention that I find the makeup of the Mahovlich - Abel - Geoffrion line quite cool. Ignoring Maurice Richard, you've got the three greatest Golden Age players at their respective positions (and on their respective teams) from the three great Golden Age teams. It's kind of frightening.

Sturminator
11-15-2007, 12:42 AM
Boom Boom would miss anywhere from 10 to 30 games a year, its true. But if you look at per game stats, his numbers throughout the 50s stack up well vs almost anybody. He can't match Howe, thats true. Who exactly can?

He also, even on a per game basis, doesn't have the "big" years like Beliveau does except '60, but thats only a couple years like 58-59 really. In general, there isn't the separation between the stats of the two to suggest that Beliveau should get credit for making him THAT much better. 1960 is an example of him at his best, basically.

One thing about Beliveau is his leadership. He is in my opinion the greatest leader in NHL history, a fact which cannot be ignored when building a "real team" (an ironic term for what we're doing, I know) and not just a collection of talent. Beliveau's GM can probably give you more reasons why he deserves to remain an ATD top-10 sacred cow.

I pretty much agree with that and feel it makes my point. I'm not sure Clapper quite belongs in the discussion though.

You're right; he does not. Clapper as a right winger is not even in the top-300 all-time.

The point is, all the others are first rounders, why not Geoffrion? I wouldn't take him over any of the others, but I would definitely take him next after those 6.

Maybe my drafting philosophy is biased, but it seems like real NHL teams would go for top line forwards and #1 D-Men in the first round. Goalies probably not because so many of them are hard to tell apart due to not having much statistical data, too much team bias, and because at that level its hard to distinguish one from another. I think Martin Brodeur was the worst pick of whatever round he went, incidentally.

You're joining the discussion a bit late, but I find it very refreshing to see someone really challenge a top-50 order that few GMs seem to question anymore. At any rate, Bernie Geoffrion was the 6th right winger drafted and seems to be consistently taken at that spot, though to be honest I see little to seperate the second tier of right wings (Geoffrion, Cook, Conacher, Kurri, Bathgate and Hull) from one another so the same could be asked of any of the above players - why isn't he a first round pick?

At least outside of the top 5-6 goalies, I agree with you. If I can't get one of Plante, Hasek, Roy, Sawchuk, Hall or Dryden I'm probably not going to look at another goalie until the 3rd or more likely the 4th round, but many GMs will disagree with this assessment.

Take Yzerman as an example in the first round. You are not magically going to get his best offense year(s) AND his defense all at the same time. Offensively he might have ended up near Dionne if he hadn't changed his game. As a two-way player he was a winner but not really a first round pick. Geoffrion was.

We've already kicked the tires on exactly this discussion of Yzerman's legacy - ie. he wasn't a great offensive and defensive player simultaneously. I really like Steve Yzerman as a player, but I think it's possible that he may be one of the modern players who is drafted a bit high because GMs can remember seeing with their own eyes how great he was. Someone may tackle that argument someday, but it won't be me.

Sturminator
11-15-2007, 03:14 AM
Hey it looks like he even outmatched The Rocket. Wasn't he the best clutch player ever?

I've got Roy, Kennedy and Gretzky as the top three clutch players ever, in no particular order. The Rocket, Geoffrion, Lemieux, Moore, Broda and a few others constitute the second tier, I think.

Nalyd Psycho
11-15-2007, 03:32 AM
Personally, there's more players below Geoffrion that I'd take above him (Ie Newsy Lalonde) then there are players above him that I'd take below him (Ie Tim Horton)

Oh and, do we rate our own division or not?

VanIslander
11-15-2007, 04:41 AM
do we rate our own division or not?
we always have - just not your own team

Sturminator
11-15-2007, 04:43 AM
To anyone who's interested, I found a great New York Times review of a 2005 book called "The Boys of Winter" which talks about the famous 1980 Olympics from both sides - including extensive interviews of both Canadian and Russian players. I haven't read the book yet (though I desperately want to), but the review article (which you can read here (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/22/sports/hockey/22anderson.html)) is quite interesting and funny, in itself.

Moreso than competing with other GMs for the Milt Dunnell Cup, it is finding information like this that makes me enjoy the process of hockey research so much. I got a good chuckle out of snippets from the article that talk about how the Russians were housed in what would eventually become a prison and how they left behind over a hundred empty bottles of vodka in the drop ceiling after they left.

There's some pretty engaging commentary on Tretiak in there, as well, and the bit at the end about Vasiliev grabbing Tikhonov by the neck and saying, "I will kill you right now," is also pretty amusing.

When all is said and done, I do this stuff because I love hockey, not because I want to imagine my imaginary team drinking from an imaginary cup at season's end. I apologize to any of you who I may have aggravated by taking myself too seriously. We are, at times, as much a debate club as a group of hockey fans, which I guess a good way to dig truth up where it lies and to honor the players, but often enough, I'd rather just be a fan.

VanIslander
11-15-2007, 05:27 AM
To anyone who's interested, I found a great New York Times review of a 2005 book called "The Boys of Winter" which talks about the famous 1980 Olympics from both sides - including extensive interviews of both Canadian and Russian players.
Thanks. I just ordered it. Will take 4-6 weeks to get here in Korea. Just in time for Christmas. :gift: :xcheers:

I also ordered Deacock's Great Teams in Hockey History (2005), McFarlane's History of Hockey (1997) and Total NHL: the Ultimate Source (2003). Any others to suggest?

Sturminator
11-15-2007, 06:15 AM
Thanks. I just ordered it. Will take 4-6 weeks to get here in Korea. Just in time for Christmas. :gift: :xcheers:

I also ordered Deacock's Great Teams in Hockey History (2005), McFarlane's History of Hockey (1997) and Total NHL: the Ultimate Source (2003). Any others to suggest?

As as aside, VanI, are you a soldier?

Anyway, I highly recommend Dryden's biography/memoir (entitled The Game, if I recall correctly - it's been about twenty years since I read it), though I wasn't nearly as impressed with Phil Esposito's book (no, this doesn't color my opinion of Phil the hockey player). A People's History of Hockey is absolutely indispensible.

Those are pretty much my recommendations. I haven't been thrilled with other books that I've read, though I am pretty excited about The Boys of Winter, as I'm still trying to get a clear picture of Soviet hockey.

VanIslander
11-15-2007, 06:31 AM
As as aside, VanI, are you a soldier?
I teach English to Koreans.

Frightened Inmate #2 is aiming to become a soldier. He was to have bootcamp this fall. Wonder how that's coming for him.

arrbez
11-15-2007, 06:55 AM
I teach English to Koreans.

So a soldier for properly conjugated verbs then?

KidOftheBlackHole
11-15-2007, 10:45 AM
One thing about Beliveau is his leadership. He is in my opinion the greatest leader in NHL history, a fact which cannot be ignored when building a "real team" (an ironic term for what we're doing, I know) and not just a collection of talent. Beliveau's GM can probably give you more reasons why he deserves to remain an ATD top-10 sacred cow.

Absolutely. I'm not arguing against Beliveau, only that its not clear that he "made" Geoffrion the player he is.

From my own statistical analysis, allowing for lots of other factors beyond numbers as well, after Howe I think Jagr, LaFleur, Geoffrion, Bossy, etc are all pretty close together.

I think they're a fair bit in front of the next group with Conacher, Bathgate et al. But then, there is a lot of room for differences of perception and methodolgy in analyzing players.

BM67
11-15-2007, 11:06 AM
It has much to do with the nature of the "team building" aspect of the draft. There was a rush on goalies and defensemen. 27 of the 47 players taken before Geoffrion were goalies or defensemen, including 14 of the 19 taken in the 2nd round.

A top 100 players list would look very different from the first 100 picks of the draft.

Transplanted Caper
11-15-2007, 02:44 PM
It has much to do with the nature of the "team building" aspect of the draft. There was a rush on goalies and defensemen. 27 of the 47 players taken before Geoffrion were goalies or defensemen, including 14 of the 19 taken in the 2nd round.

A top 100 players list would look very different from the first 100 picks of the draft.


I've done a couple of ATDs, one here and one elsewhere (the one here was pretty damn good learning experience, I got my ass kicked), and I found one thing that tends to happen with a lot of GMs (thought not all) is that watching goalies go in particular you'll see the dominos start to fall after the first five all-time greats are taken. Obviously it speaks to team building as you said, but in the end you don't want to be caught without someone to dance with once the music starts.

EDIT: Also, once the play-offs matches are set I'd be happy to take a load of PMs to determine the winner and to be of assistance with the write-ups.

God Bless Canada
11-15-2007, 03:36 PM
It has much to do with the nature of the "team building" aspect of the draft. There was a rush on goalies and defensemen. 27 of the 47 players taken before Geoffrion were goalies or defensemen, including 14 of the 19 taken in the 2nd round.

A top 100 players list would look very different from the first 100 picks of the draft.
Bingo. In fact, I think Geoffrion's status gets elevated with a playoff format. I think Boom Boom is one of three players to have double digits in playoff points in eight straight years. Very impressive. I wouldn't say he's a top 10 all-time forward. But I would say he's top 10 all-time for RWs, and you could make a case for him ahead of someone like Kurri, Conacher and Cook (other well-rounded RWs in the top 10) because of Geoffrion's big-game mentality. (And yes, I know Kurri was great in the playoffs).

God Bless Canada
11-15-2007, 03:38 PM
I've done a couple of ATDs, one here and one elsewhere (the one here was pretty damn good learning experience, I got my ass kicked), and I found one thing that tends to happen with a lot of GMs (thought not all) is that watching goalies go in particular you'll see the dominos start to fall after the first five all-time greats are taken. Obviously it speaks to team building as you said, but in the end you don't want to be caught without someone to dance with once the music starts.

EDIT: Also, once the play-offs matches are set I'd be happy to take a load of PMs to determine the winner and to be of assistance with the write-ups.
TC, where the hell have you been? Welcome back. We missed having you around.

I wouldn't say you got your ass kicked in ATD #6. You finished ahead of Mr. All-Time Draft, LL, in the regular season (okay, LL and BM share the Mr. ATD status), and you took LL's Toronto Turmoil, er, Maple Leafs, to a seventh game. Of course, if you would have beat Toronto, you would have lost to Trail in quick fashion in the next round, but I digress.

MXD
11-15-2007, 04:35 PM
He's one wing on arguably the best line in the draft, in my opinion. I should also mention that I find the makeup of the Mahovlich - Abel - Geoffrion line quite cool. Ignoring Maurice Richard, you've got the three greatest Golden Age players at their respective positions (and on their respective teams) from the three great Golden Age teams. It's kind of frightening.

Nothing against Mahovlich - Abel - Geoffrion line obviously, but that's even more non-sense or discredit thrown (indirectly this time) at me on your behalf.

Transplanted Caper
11-15-2007, 05:14 PM
TC, where the hell have you been? Welcome back. We missed having you around.

I wouldn't say you got your ass kicked in ATD #6. You finished ahead of Mr. All-Time Draft, LL, in the regular season (okay, LL and BM share the Mr. ATD status), and you took LL's Toronto Turmoil, er, Maple Leafs, to a seventh game. Of course, if you would have beat Toronto, you would have lost to Trail in quick fashion in the next round, but I digress.

I was *away* from HF for awhile, did another ATD at another board, didn't get to the point where we actually finished the playoffs, but we did do the draft and I had a much better idea of what I was trying to build, next time around I'll hopefully catch on here as a GM or help someone else out as a Co-GM since that seems to be the direction the ATD is going with its increase in popularity.

pappyline
11-15-2007, 05:34 PM
Geoffrion absolutely does deserve mention among the greatest playoff performers in history, and I get the impression that he'd have played more regular season games (and obviously put up better numbers) if not for the fact that the Habs often rested him to get him healthy for the postseason. I think the same thing likely happened with Dickie Moore. It's not as if those Habs teams were fighting for a playoff spot in the regular season. I wasn't alive or was very young at the time all of this was going on so it's mainly conjecture on my part, but that's the impression I've always gotten. Maybe pappy has a clearer picture?

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Don't ever remember teams resting players for the playoffs back in those days. Could be wrong though as I was a kid. Habs were probably the only team with enough depth to consider that option. Still, I doubt it was done.

Evil Speaker
11-15-2007, 08:09 PM
Personally, there's more players below Geoffrion that I'd take above him (Ie Newsy Lalonde) then there are players above him that I'd take below him (Ie Tim Horton)


What if you had Doug Harvey on your team? Could you decline a chance at reuniting arguably the greatest powerplay tandem on the point of all time?

Evil Speaker
11-15-2007, 08:11 PM
Here's something I worked on for the Dick Duff HHoF thread. All these guys won 6 or more Cups.

Finals Scoring on First & Game Winning goals
Player|Goals|Assists|Points|First G|First A|First Pts%|GWG|GWA|GWPts%
Dick Duff|14|19|33|5|13|54.5%|3|9|36.4%
Jean Beliveau|30|32|62|15|11|41.9%|9|8|27.4%
Maurice Richard|34|11|45|9|4|28.9%|8|3|24.4%
Henri Richard|19|26|45|4|5|20%|4|8|26.7%
Bernie Geoffrion|24|21|45|7|9|35.6%|6|7|28.9%
Dickie Moore|10|21|31|4|6|32.3%|2|3|16.1%
Frank Mahovlich|16|25|41|2|8|24.4%|2|3|12.2%


Good work BM. Thanks for that.

nik jr
11-15-2007, 10:06 PM
He's one wing on arguably the best line in the draft, in my opinion. I should also mention that I find the makeup of the Mahovlich - Abel - Geoffrion line quite cool. Ignoring Maurice Richard, you've got the three greatest Golden Age players at their respective positions (and on their respective teams) from the three great Golden Age teams. It's kind of frightening.

maybe i don't understand this, but are you saying abel>beliveau, geoffrion>howe, mahovlich>lindsay?

pitseleh
11-15-2007, 10:10 PM
maybe i don't understand this, but are you saying abel>beliveau, geoffrion>howe, mahovlich>lindsay?

I think he's saying that it's the best player at his position from each of the three great Golden Age teams - so Abel is the best center from the dynasty Wings etc.

shawnmullin
11-15-2007, 10:25 PM
I was *away* from HF for awhile, did another ATD at another board, didn't get to the point where we actually finished the playoffs, but we did do the draft and I had a much better idea of what I was trying to build, next time around I'll hopefully catch on here as a GM or help someone else out as a Co-GM since that seems to be the direction the ATD is going with its increase in popularity.

Where else do they do ATD?

nik jr
11-15-2007, 10:27 PM
I think he's saying that it's the best player at his position from each of the three great Golden Age teams - so Abel is the best center from the dynasty Wings etc.

thx, pitseleh, that makes sense.

Sturminator
11-16-2007, 01:49 AM
Nothing against Mahovlich - Abel - Geoffrion line obviously, but that's even more non-sense or discredit thrown (indirectly this time) at me on your behalf.

What pit said.

It was a hard idea to get across, but what I meant was that except for Geoffrion (who is clearly not as good as Richard), he's got three forwards who were the best at their position on their team from each of the great golden age teams. Mahovlich is the best Leafs LW, Abel the best Wings C and Geoffrion the 2nd best Habs RW. No, I was not making a comparison of Dickie Moore and Frank Mahovlich, nor Pocket vs. Abel.

Obviously Moore - Richard - Richard is among the best lines in the draft. If I had a second favorite line after pappy's (ignoring my own), that would be it. Dickie and the Rocket are a couple of my favorite all-time players, because of both talent and personality. I wasn't in love with where you took Henri Richard, but nevertheless, I think the three will play extremely good 2-way hockey.

Can we put this to rest, MXD? At no point has it been my intention to discredit you, and I don't recall saying anything about your team other than that Phil Watson was a lousy coach (luckily he's your 4th line center, and a very good one - he's got third line skill) and that Zubov can be pushed around by stronger forwards.

I'm not going to apologize for my annoyance at your comments on Harry Cameron, which had nothing to do with hockey and little to do with reality as far as I can tell. I realize that you were probably using "he'll show up drunk at a few games" as a general statement about Cameron's reliability as a team player (which you are right to criticize) given what we already know about him, but I find it a little offensive when anyone takes a cavalier attitude to something as serious as alcoholism. It's almost macabre at times how personal we get in our evaluations of these players as individuals and in a team setting; I do it too. Nevertheless, I think there is a line which should be respected when discussing their qualities as people.

I will apologize for the "inconsistent" comment. What I said was rather harsh, at least insofar as how I said it. I'm sorry.

Sturminator
11-16-2007, 02:14 AM
Absolutely. I'm not arguing against Beliveau, only that its not clear that he "made" Geoffrion the player he is.

I never said that Beliveau "made" Geoffrion, nor do I believe it. Many all-time greats have played alongside other all-time greats. It's much less the fact that Geoffrion played with Beliveau and much more the fact that those Habs teams had two #1 lines and an insanely talented defense for much of Bernie's career (and thus opponents had to divide resources in defending them) that constitutes a rather clear relative advantage in my mind, though this applies equally to all of the players on those great Montreal teams.

There has really never been another team like those Habs - another team with two lines which could be first lines not just in the NHL, but in an all-time draft. In my opinion, there was a kind of critical mass reached by that team (at least for a few seasons) in which they all thrived because they were surrounded constantly by such incomparable greatness - in every game and on every shift. They all were great as individuals, but I think the greatness of that team pumped up their numbers (and their postseason achievements) beyond what one would expect to see if they were placed in another environment.

Ceteris parabis, ceteris parabis. Perhaps I think this way because I am an attorney, but rather than counting cups as some GMs do, I discount them relative to the strength of the team (it's only truly relevant for golden age teams) and the size of the league. Patrick Roy's two cups in Montreal are more impressive to me than Henri Richard's fifty seven. Honestly.

Nalyd Psycho
11-16-2007, 04:30 AM
What if you had Doug Harvey on your team? Could you decline a chance at reuniting arguably the greatest powerplay tandem on the point of all time?
I prefectly agree there and think that was a stellar decision. I think Geoffrion went about exactly where he should, he's a late 2nd rounder. I didn't mean to dis your pick, I was just saying I don't think Bernie's underrated.

EagleBelfour
11-16-2007, 07:05 AM
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vancityluongo
11-16-2007, 04:35 PM
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... 400$ still counting, no way this AUTO is sold under 1000$. One of the finest item I have found on eBay in a long time. I wish I had tons of money to spend on cool items like these.

I'm by no means an expert, but could that possibly be fake??

Hockey Outsider
11-16-2007, 10:18 PM
My rankings are in. A few thoughts:

- It gets tougher to rank the teams with each subsequent draft. There's very little separating any of them. I've probably changed my rankings a few dozen times during the past week. If I submitted my rankings a day or two earlier, many teams would move up or down a rank or two.

- My rankings are primarily based on regular season performances. So I'm placing more value on consistency, health and longevity, and much less on clutch/choker playoff reputations. I also gave a slight premium to real-life chemistry; I think that the players will be used to their new linematers by the playoffs, but the KLM (for example) will have a bit of a head-start during the first few weeks of the schedule.

- The Foster Hewitt division is the fastest, most exciting, and probably highest-scoring. The Bob Cole division has some extremely impressive forward units and some surprisingly mediocre bluelines; you know the goaltending's great when George Hainsworth is the weakest starter. The Don Cherry division, while less impressive in goal, is ridiculously stacked at centre. The Jim Robson division is the most physical and I found it the most difficult to rank.

VanIslander
11-16-2007, 10:55 PM
My rankings are primarily based on regular season performances. So I'm placing more value on consistency, health and longevity, and much less on clutch/choker playoff reputations. I also gave a slight premium to real-life chemistry.
:thumbu: Me too.

Regular season hockey tends to have more open ice. Playoff hockey is another animal.

ck26
11-17-2007, 02:15 AM
Haven't gotten the time to do any serious thinking about ranking teams, and I won't until at least Wednesday AM your time. I'll be back for the 1st round of playoff voting ... here's hoping the Dallas Blackhawks are still in the running.

Vote Blackhawks!!!

Nalyd Psycho
11-17-2007, 02:27 AM
I voted the Stephen Colbert way, using my gut.

EagleBelfour
11-17-2007, 06:22 PM
I don't remember what we've done last year for the GM who don't send their vote, becasue if we vote for our own division, it help the ranking of GM who do not send their vote, right?

vancityluongo
11-17-2007, 06:27 PM
Just wanted to wish a happy birthday to FI2. :handclap: :bday::hbday:

Edit: It isn't showing anymore on the front page...did I make a mistake?

Sturminator
11-18-2007, 04:49 AM
I don't remember what we've done last year for the GM who don't send their vote, becasue if we vote for our own division, it help the ranking of GM who do not send their vote, right?

That's a good point. And what about co-GMs both voting on their own division - would that not also throw off the rankings? BM, what's the story? We may be better off not ranking our own divisions, at all.

MXD
11-18-2007, 08:23 AM
Well, I think teams with co-GM's should vote as a team, because it's likely to some problems with the vote in their own div...

BM67
11-18-2007, 08:35 AM
A GM doesn't rate his team, but is slotted at #1 by me. So if you don't vote you hurt your team. A co-gm that also votes will be slotted at #4 so as not to improve their team over a single GM's team.

So far 19 of the 33 GMs have voted, with only one team having both GMs vote.

MXD
11-18-2007, 09:07 AM
A GM doesn't rate his team, but is slotted at #1 by me. So if you don't vote you hurt your team. A co-gm that also votes will be slotted at #3 so as not to improve their team over a single GM's team.

So far 19 of the 33 GMs have voted, with only one team having both GMs vote.

Hummm... Fair enough.

This said... Did you meant Sunday, 3 PM (TODAY) for the rankings? Not that it really matters to me : I've completed and sent my rankings... Just somewhat impatient about how the draft will turn out.

pitseleh
11-18-2007, 10:51 AM
A GM doesn't rate his team, but is slotted at #1 by me. So if you don't vote you hurt your team. A co-gm that also votes will be slotted at #3 so as not to improve their team over a single GM's team.

So far 19 of the 33 GMs have voted, with only one team having both GMs vote.

Technically, shouldn't the co-GM's team be ranked at #4 so that there are three teams above and three below? It's not a big deal anyway, I can't see it making a huge difference.

MXD
11-18-2007, 10:57 AM
Technically, shouldn't the co-GM's team be ranked at #4 so that there are three teams above and three below? It's not a big deal anyway, I can't see it making a huge difference.

What I understood from the original post is that there was two 3rd places, but I guess you're right if we see it the other way around.

BM67
11-18-2007, 11:42 AM
Yeah, 4th not 3rd. The first voting co-GM gets a 1st and the second gets a 4th.

The first time we gave a last place vote, and then when 1 guy didn't vote, we had to make an adjustment, as not voting helped his team. Now with the 1st place vote, not voting hurts your team.

Yes, today is the deadline day. I'll add in any votes I get before I total the results, but I see no need to add any extra days, as over 60% of the teams have already voted.

Nalyd Psycho
11-18-2007, 02:18 PM
Foster Hewitt Division|The_Hockey_Guy18|Wisent|Rick Middleton|Sturminator|Nalyd Psycho|reckoning|BlueBleeder|shawnmullin
Dartmouth Subways |/|5|2|3|4|/|1|6
Dubai Mighty Camels |1|/|6|1|5|/|3|5
Gwinnett Gladiators |3|2|/|6|3|/|5|4
Oakland Seals |5|6|4|/|/|/|2|2
Ottawa 67s |4|4|1|2|6|/|4|3
St. Louis Eagles |2|3|5|6|2|/|/|1
Victoria Cougars |6|1|3|4|1|/|6|/


Here we see a randomly generated possible voting pattern for the Foster Hewitt Division. In it, both Sturm and I have voted, the only co-gms in the division. And reckoning has not voted. Here are for tabulating methods and the effect they'll have.

Foster Hewitt Division|Lowest score wins|Highest score* wins|Lowest Score averaged wins|Highest score averaged wins
Dartmouth Subways |21|21|3.5|3.5
Dubai Mighty Camels |21|21|3.5|3.5
Gwinnett Gladiators |23|19|3.83|3.16
Oakland Seals |19|16|3.8|3.2
Ottawa 67s |24|25|3.43|3.57
St. Louis Eagles |19|23|3.16|3.83
Victoria Cougars |21|21|3.5|3.5


If lowest score wins is used, Co-GMs benefit, non-voters suffer, if highest score wins is used, co-GMs suffer, non-voters benefit. But, if either of the average score is used, it all balances out.

*For the purpose of this, highest score is determined by making a vote of 1 worth 6 points, and a vote of 6 worth 1 point.

MXD
11-18-2007, 02:36 PM
Foster Hewitt Division|The_Hockey_Guy18|Wisent|Rick Middleton|Sturminator|Nalyd Psycho|reckoning|BlueBleeder|shawnmullin
Dartmouth Subways |/|5|2|3|4|/|1|6
Dubai Mighty Camels |1|/|6|1|5|/|3|5
Gwinnett Gladiators |3|2|/|6|3|/|5|4
Oakland Seals |5|6|4|/|/|/|2|2
Ottawa 67s |4|4|1|2|6|/|4|3
St. Louis Eagles |2|3|5|6|2|/|/|1
Victoria Cougars |6|1|3|4|1|/|6|/


Here we see a randomly generated possible voting pattern for the Foster Hewitt Division. In it, both Sturm and I have voted, the only co-gms in the division. And reckoning has not voted. Here are for tabulating methods and the effect they'll have.

Foster Hewitt Division|Lowest score wins|Highest score* wins|Lowest Score averaged wins|Highest score averaged wins
Dartmouth Subways |21|21|3.5|3.5
Dubai Mighty Camels |21|21|3.5|3.5
Gwinnett Gladiators |23|19|3.83|3.16
Oakland Seals |19|16|3.8|3.2
Ottawa 67s |24|25|3.43|3.57
St. Louis Eagles |19|23|3.16|3.83
Victoria Cougars |21|21|3.5|3.5


If lowest score wins is used, Co-GMs benefit, non-voters suffer, if highest score wins is used, co-GMs suffer, non-voters benefit. But, if either of the average score is used, it all balances out.

*For the purpose of this, highest score is determined by making a vote of 1 worth 6 points, and a vote of 6 worth 1 point.

I think AVG rank should be the way to go --- or lower score, pretty much means the same. It slightly (and the keyword is slightly...) disadvantages teams with No-Gm's. By assigning the average of every other results. to the column of the non-voters, it kinda evens it out for the non-voters, as the non-voter doesn't have the 1st place the other guys have.

Nalyd Psycho
11-18-2007, 02:38 PM
I think AVG rank should be the way to go --- or lower score, pretty much means the same. It slightly (and the keyword is slightly...) disadvantages teams with No-Gm's. By assigning the average of every other results. to the column of the non-voters, it kinda evens it out for the non-voters, as the non-voter doesn't have the 1st place the other guys have.
I didn't give a 1st place for one's own team, I give a n/a.

MXD
11-18-2007, 02:53 PM
I didn't give a 1st place for one's own team, I give a n/a.

I just adjusted your "study" to what BM's said he would do.

raleh
11-18-2007, 03:35 PM
I just submitted my rankings. I may be alone in this one but the Cherry division is NUTS! I think four of the top 6 teams in the draft are in this division. I rank out of 10 in order to separate teams that I view as pretty close to equal. My fourth pick for this division was at 9.4. I spent a good half hour deciding between Aurora and Guelph!

Another thing I realized while compiling my rankings: Murph, I've always said you have my favorite team in the draft. I've never voted against your team in a playoff series, but for once there's another team that might rival yours in my opinion. VanI's Raiders make me smile every time I look at the lineup.

I can't wait to get this thing started!

Leaf Lander
11-18-2007, 06:32 PM
i submitted my rankngs today as well hopefully i wasn't too late ;)

arrbez
11-18-2007, 07:02 PM
Yes, today is the deadline day. I'll add in any votes I get before I total the results, but I see no need to add any extra days, as over 60% of the teams have already voted.

Thank gawd...I can't wait much longer

BM67
11-18-2007, 07:50 PM
With a final total of 21 votes, here are your ATD#8 Final Season Standings:

Don Cherry Division:
1 arrbez - Aurora Tigers
2 BM67 - New Jersey Devils
3 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores
4 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers
5 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers
6 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
7 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs

In the only tie in the divisional rankings Aurora beat New Jersey on number of first place votes.

Jim Robson Division:
1 Hockey Outsider - Montreal Canadiens
2 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF
3 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke
4 VanIslander - New York Raiders
5 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains
6 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
7 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts

Bob Cole Division:
1 EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons
2 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
3 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins
4 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers
5 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs
6 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
7 Murphy - Edmonton Oilers

Foster Hewitt Division:
1 Nalyd Psycho & Sturminator - Oakland Seals
2 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators
3 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars
4 reckoning - Ottawa 67s
5 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels
6 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
7 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles

Playoff Matchups:

Cherry Division:
2 BM67 - New Jersey Devils vs 7 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
3 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores vs 6 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
4 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers vs 5 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers

Robson Division:
2 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF vs 7 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
3 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke vs 6 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
4 VanIslander - New York Raiders vs 5 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains

Bob Cole Division:
2 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers vs 7 Murphy - Edmonton Oilers
3 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins vs 6 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
4 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers vs 5 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs

Hewitt Division:
2 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators vs 7 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
3 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars vs 6 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
4 reckoning - Ottawa 67s vs 5 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels

God Bless Canada
11-18-2007, 07:59 PM
Second place? We'll take it. Had a hunch that HO would win the division. Thought it would be between Halifax and Sherbrooke for second in the division.

We believe we're built for the playoffs.

Wouldn't want to be the champ right now. Nanaimo gets Edmonton in the first round.

Other marquee matchups include BM's Devils and LL's Leafs, and VanI's Raiders against doc's Plains.

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-18-2007, 08:02 PM
Ouch, what are the chances I face the only team I absolutely didn't want to face in the first round? Tough luck.

pitseleh
11-18-2007, 08:04 PM
Congrats to all the division champs. Who gets the title of regular season champ this time around?

MXD
11-18-2007, 08:13 PM
If my memory is right, every team that I had 1st in their div finished 3rd. (Well, except for the Robson, of course)

And I really have a crush for those ES's team.

As for my team... well... Pretty much where I expected to land. In fact, if I would learn that my team was the most "steady" amongst voting, I wouldn't be surprised at all (like, ranging from 2nd to 4th, maybe with one 1st and one 5th or something alike) Now, let those 7 Smythe Awards do their job!

vancityluongo
11-18-2007, 08:31 PM
We're 6th. Bah. Definitely not a favorable matchup for us against ESpeaker...

Congrats to all the division champs though.

BM67
11-18-2007, 08:34 PM
Congrats to all the division champs. Who gets the title of regular season champ this time around?
Aurora had the best record and the most 1st place votes.

The Hewitt Division was the tightest from top to bottom.

13 of the 28 teams received a vote for all 7 spots, including one of the division winners.

VanIslander
11-18-2007, 08:41 PM
One division from each conference has now begun their first round playoff match-ups.

Everyone post an observation or point of analysis (no need for overall judgement yet).

Point some things out regarding opportunities and threats in the match-up: right wingers of one team go against left wingers of another team; powerplay units of one team vs. penalty kill units of another team; centers versus each other in face-offs and physicality, etcetera.

MXD
11-18-2007, 08:50 PM
My surprise? The Cougars finishing 3rd.
The round I probably wouldn't attend : Dubai vs. Ottawa :)
The happiest team to earn a bye : The Canadiens. Their opponent will have had a tough round before, no matter which team it is.
Deserved a better fate : The Leafs.

EagleBelfour
11-18-2007, 09:10 PM
With our sophomore entry, the Detroit Falcons gets for a second time in a row a bye in the first round; this time around versus tougher and more respected opponent in the Nanaimo Clippers and the Boston Bruins (IMO).

Good luck in playoff everyone!

My surprise? Murphy finishing last in his division
The round I probably would attend : 3 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke vs 6 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
The happiest team to earn a bye : I know I'm happy :)
Deserved a better fate : Portage la Prairie Plains. Outside the Crosby selection, one heck of a team.

Hockey Outsider
11-18-2007, 09:17 PM
Thanks for the votes, everyone. I'll admit I was (pleasantly) surprised to see my Canadiens ranked first. I wasn't sure if taking Broda, merely a very good regular-season goalie, would hurt my team's regular season rank.

I'm surprised at the Seattle Thunderbirds' low ranking. (They're the biggest difference between my rankings, and the actual standings). I don't want to promote a division rival too much, but they have a dominant top line, one of the best playoff goalies in the draft, a great PK, and a well-constructed blueline. (They also drafted a lot of players I identified before the draft that would be good value: R. Conacher, Westfall, Leswick, White and Barry). I think Wisent's teams get underrated each draft, too.

I'd like to see Dartmouth vs. Victoria. One side has Coffey, Hawerchuk, Wilson and Selanne and the other has Lafleur, Taylor, Pilote and Yakushev. Should be fast and high-scoring. NY vs. Portage will also be a fun series due to all the physical play.

Interesting matchups
Note: these aren't necessarily the most important matchups from a strategic sense, but I think they're interesting in terms of considering real-life teammates, rivals or player styles.

Devils vs. Leafs - The Devils' #1 defenseman Chris Pronger faces off against his long-time mentor and teammate, Al MacInnis.
Guelph vs. Dallas - Coach of the 1976 US Olympic team vs. the coach of the 1980 US Olympic team.
Flin Flon vs. NYR - The battles of the centres: Beliveau vs. Clarke. The epitome of class and graces versus one of the dirtiest players in NHL history (and I mean that in the best possible sense about both players).

Halifax vs. Regina - Bourque vs. Lidstrom, maybe? Not much in terms of real-life teammates/rivalries, though.
Sherbrooke vs. Seattle - This is obvious: Richard vs Howe. Can't wait to read the write-up about this.
NY Raiders vs. Portage la Prairie - Nothing immediately jumps out in terms of real-life teammates/rivals, but I can't wait to see Lindros vs. Cleghorn/Stewart and Lindsay vs. Stevens/Gadsby. This series is going to be a war.

Nanaimo vs. Edmonton - the #1 defenseman of all-time vs. the #1 goalie of all-time.
Boston vs. Winnipeg - Hard time finding real life teammates/rivals here. Brodeur vs. Joseph might have been interesting... about 7 years ago.
Mtl Wanderers vs. Calgary - Sakic vs. Messier should be a great battle.

Gwinnett vs St. Louis - Battle of the old, veteran captains of the '89 Flames: McDonald and Peplinski.
Victoria vs. Dartmouth - Glen Sather vs. Paul Coffey.
Ottawa vs. Dubai - Red Kelly goes against his longtime partner Bob Goldham (and another teammate, Marty Pavelich). I would imagine that Shore and Mantha must have had some battles (as the latter would have protected Morenz).

I'm still quite busy at work but I'll try to do some commentary throughout the week.

MXD
11-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Interesting matchups

Sherbrooke vs. Seattle - This is obvious: Richard vs Howe. Can't wait to read the write-up about this.


It goes even further...
Leswick vs. Richard
Pulford vs. Howe.

:)

VanIslander
11-18-2007, 09:43 PM
The plan is to start the other two divisions tomorrow.

(if that's okay)

That way we aren't too innundated with match-ups to look at. Gives us a chance to make some initial observations about the first six series.

nik jr
11-18-2007, 10:26 PM
It goes even further...
Leswick vs. Richard
Pulford vs. Howe.

:)

did you draft pulford because we had howe? we drafted leswick because you had rocket (and to keep him away from howe. thought about pulford for the same reason).

MXD
11-18-2007, 10:43 PM
did you draft pulford because we had howe? we drafted leswick because you had rocket (and to keep him away from howe. thought about pulford for the same reason).

Bob Pulford and Dave Keon played together for a while. (And with Ron Ellis as well...).

I knew you had Howe, but the point was to reunite an extremely potent defensive AND PK'ing duo. Those two guys were rather good at this. Especially in the playoffs. Especially Pulford. Keon was busy winning the faceoffs.

shawnmullin
11-19-2007, 01:07 AM
I thought votes were due tonight and would be revealed tomorrow.

Darn, mine go to waste.

I was 9/10 done too, but oh well.

shawnmullin
11-19-2007, 01:12 AM
My surprise? The Cougars finishing 3rd.
The round I probably wouldn't attend : Dubai vs. Ottawa :)
The happiest team to earn a bye : The Canadiens. Their opponent will have had a tough round before, no matter which team it is.
Deserved a better fate : The Leafs.

Surprise in what sense MXD? Expected me to do better or worse? ;)

I'm honestly really happy with the results given how absolutely swamped I've been at work I havn't been able to promote my own team at all.

Nalyd Psycho
11-19-2007, 01:39 AM
Obviously, I love the results. But, good work everyone, now let the poison spill.

Sturminator
11-19-2007, 02:46 AM
Surprise in what sense MXD? Expected me to do better or worse? ;)

I'm honestly really happy with the results given how absolutely swamped I've been at work I havn't been able to promote my own team at all.

I had the Cougars rated second in the division (meaning 1st on my list) and considering that MXD didn't pick Oakland to win it, I think he's surprised at how low your team finished.

I found my own division pretty hard to rank, in all honesty, and I'm not surprised it was the tightest ranked division from top to bottom.

VanIslander
11-19-2007, 11:23 AM
The last division is set to start the playoffs tonight

(those teams without pp and pk units on their roster thread or the special teams analysis thread please PM them to me and I'll add them to the match-up threads before the end of the day today)

Wisent
11-19-2007, 03:01 PM
Sorry, I had an EXTREMELY busy week and a half. I will try to be available for the voting of the next round.

EagleBelfour
11-19-2007, 05:21 PM
Montreal Canadiens All-Time Best Defensemans
(from Yvon Pednault)

1. Doug Harvey (which he point out to be the first defenseman of the league to have a tandancy to rush the puck and play an offensive game... :help: )

2. Larry Robinson
3. Serge Savard (a close 3rd)

4. JC Tremblay
5. Guy Lapointe

Opinions?

EagleBelfour
11-19-2007, 05:31 PM
TOP-10 #19 of NHL history
(per RDS.ca)

1. Steve Yzerman
2. Joe Sakic
3. Larry Robinson
4. Bryan Trottier
5. Jean Ratelle
6.Rick MacLeish
7. Butch Goring
8. Paul Henderson
9. Joe Thornton
10. Brad Richards

.. Damn, am I the only one who think that's NOT a good list?

Rick Middleton
11-19-2007, 05:34 PM
Montreal Canadiens All-Time Best Defensemans
(from Yvon Pednault)

1. Doug Harvey (which he point out to be the first defenseman of the league to have a tandancy to rush the puck and play an offensive game... :help: )

2. Larry Robinson
3. Serge Savard (a close 3rd)

4. JC Tremblay
5. Guy Lapointe

Opinions?


Where's Brisebois??? :sarcasm:

vancityluongo
11-19-2007, 05:43 PM
TOP-10 #19 of NHL history
(per RDS.ca)

1. Steve Yzerman
2. Joe Sakic
3. Larry Robinson
4. Bryan Trottier
5. Jean Ratelle
6.Rick MacLeish
7. Butch Goring
8. Paul Henderson
9. Joe Thornton
10. Brad Richards

.. Damn, am I the only one who think that's NOT a good list?

Maybe I'm completely off and homerish, but I think Markus Naslund should get a mention over Brad Richards, and possibly Thornton as well.

Rick Middleton
11-19-2007, 06:06 PM
Maybe I'm completely off and homerish, but I think Markus Naslund should get a mention over Brad Richards, and possibly Thornton as well.

You're completely off and homerish. :p:

Richards is a bit high. I have no bloody idea who has worn #19 but I'm damned sure there are some that could beat out Richards.

Partial list at http://www.azhockey.com/shirts/shirts19.html

MXD
11-19-2007, 06:09 PM
Montreal Canadiens All-Time Best Defensemans
(from Yvon Pednault)

1. Doug Harvey (which he point out to be the first defenseman of the league to have a tandancy to rush the puck and play an offensive game... :help: )

2. Larry Robinson
3. Serge Savard (a close 3rd)

4. JC Tremblay
5. Guy Lapointe

Opinions?

I'd have Lapointe ahead of Tremblay (and Lappy as well), Sprague Cleghorne in the Top-5... Heck.. I even have Tom Johnson ahead of Tremblay.

raleh
11-19-2007, 06:11 PM
Maybe I'm completely off and homerish, but I think Markus Naslund should get a mention over Brad Richards, and possibly Thornton as well.

How many Hart, Art Ross, and Conn Smythe trophies does Naslund have? Thornton and Richards definitely belong ahead of Naslund. I might take Naslund over Richards if they're both rolling, but until he brings it in the playoffs he's just another guy who was pretty good.

However, Paul Henderson doesn't belong on the list. Not even close tot he level of the other guys on there. He scored a couple of important goals- good for him. But 3 games does not a career make.

Trottier behind Yzerman and Sakic? Absurd. If Yzerman could put together a season that combined his offensive output in his early years and his defensive prowess in the cup years he'd be where Trots was in his prime. To me it's Trottier by a mile, then Robinson then Yzerman and Sakic. Trots is a top 10 centre of all time, and a case could be made for him to be as high as 4th. He's in the group with Clarke, Schimdt, Esposito, Morenz, etc after the big three of Gretzky, Lemieux, and Beliveau. Robinson is interchangeable in my opinion with Red Kelly as the 6th or 7th best Dman of all time. They're the top two #19s for sure.

vancityluongo
11-19-2007, 06:24 PM
You're completely off and homerish. :p:

Richards is a bit high. I have no bloody idea who has worn #19 but I'm damned sure there are some that could beat out Richards.

Partial list at http://www.azhockey.com/shirts/shirts19.html

Of course, how could I forget legendary Krzysztof Oliwa?? :p:

seventieslord
11-19-2007, 09:17 PM
Posting in this thread and not the matchup thread because it's more about the ranking and not how I match up to GBC.

Despite the fact that I am up against a lot of great hockey minds with as much knowledge (in most cases, more) than I, and despite the experience disadvantage I am facing, I must say I'm surprised to get 7th in my division. Were the votes varied, and it all just happened to shake out with me in 7th, or was my team really that bad across the board?

A couple comments regarding the lineup: 1) goal scoring in the top-6. With Dye, Stewart, Denneny, Dionne, and Nicholls, I have a total of 15 top-2 finishes in the NHL goal-scoring race. Does anyone have that? (I say this partially because I think the answer is no, but also because I don't have the time to comb through the lineups again and verify, but each individual GM should know quite well and can speak up if they do indeed have this) I don't mean to make it look like I am obsessed with season-by-season accomplishments, but on the other hand it feels like every time my lineup is looked at all I hear is "slow forwards". Are we putting too much weight into a player's piece-by-piece strengths and weaknesses and not enough on where these strengths and weaknesses got them? By that logic I could look at a first line containing Gretzky and Bure and say "pretty soft first line… they'll get pushed around a lot". Or for a line with Lemieux and Kerr I could say "really injury prone first line there… you'll be lucky if they both are healthy at the same time!" or a line with Howe and Messier… "really dirty line there, good luck with all the suspensions and penalties they're going to take!"

The way I see it, Dye, Stewart, and Denneny, three of the five most explosive goal-scorers (the other two being Conacher and Cook) in the first 25 years of the NHL scored tons of goals despite their below-average speed. Should it be considered a detriment now? Also, with Thornton (three times top-3 in points), Nicholls (PPG career), Mellanby (320 G), Clark (340 G), Thomas (420 G), not to Mention Duff & Smyth in the lineup, my team has been said to have more pop on the 3rd and 4th lines due to the admitted lack of "pure" checkers. Isn't it possible that I have the most potent offense in the league?

I think the comments on my goaltending are fair. Durnan is considered top-8 by almost everyone, but his playoff credentials, while good, are not "as impressive" as his regular season exploits. No one is claiming my goaltending to be poor, though.

Not that anyone is picking on my defense, but hands up if you can say you have 13 combined norris trophies and runners-up on your roster, counting retros (which are legit; it's not too hard to just admit to yourself that if the award existed back then this is probably how they'd have been awarded). I see two, maybe three hands.

Just sayin'… I like my roster a lot, and so should you!

MXD
11-19-2007, 09:31 PM
By that logic I could look at a first line containing Gretzky and Bure and say "pretty soft first line… they'll get pushed around a lot". Or for a line with Lemieux and Kerr I could say "really injury prone first line there… you'll be lucky if they both are healthy at the same time!" or a line with Howe and Messier… "really dirty line there, good luck with all the suspensions and penalties they're going to take!"

The way I see it, Dye, Stewart, and Denneny, three of the five most explosive goal-scorers (the other two being Conacher and Cook) in the first 25 years of the NHL scored tons of goals despite their below-average speed. Should it be considered a detriment now? Also, with Thornton (three times top-3 in points), Nicholls (PPG career), Mellanby (320 G), Clark (340 G), Thomas (420 G), not to Mention Duff & Smyth in the lineup, my team has been said to have more pop on the 3rd and 4th lines due to the admitted lack of "pure" checkers. Isn't it possible that I have the most potent offense in the league?

I think the comments on my goaltending are fair. Durnan is considered top-8 by almost everyone, but his playoff credentials, while good, are not "as impressive" as his regular season exploits. No one is claiming my goaltending to be poor, though.


First... If you think a Lemieux-Kerr line is injury prone... MENTION IT, dammit! At least I won't be the only one to matter about these kind of things. Consider it in your reviews! I remember writing a 10-line paragraph about why I didn't thought Ken Reardon was a good pick at 119 --- because I think that's a high pick for a guy who missed 1/4 of every season he played during his career (now, I conceed that's a bit tough to compare this to, let's say, Bill Barilko's situation, who played lots of games, but had a shorter career. I don't think anybody would consider Barilko superior to Reardon, so it might not be the best example...whatever...). Gretz-Bure would be soft, but that's nothing that cannot be covered (like, drafting Clark Gilles. They wouldn't be great backcheckers, but they would have good puck control, so...). Howe - Messier would be good at some extent, depending on the C... More important for Top-D-Mens and checkers IMO, but important for forwards nonetheless. Build with one strenght in mind. Allow you to have one weakness that can be covered with your strengths.

BM67
11-19-2007, 10:22 PM
Somebody has to be 7th. Take note that every team in your division received at least one 7th place vote.

As for your team, it's more a lack of balance than of true weakness. 15 top-2 goal scorers vs 5 top-2 assist leaders. Several rather slow forwards and no real speed demons. No real checkers and several players not that interested in defense.

Individually your players look good, but they don't really blend in to a strong team concept. Your PK forwards certainly aren't going to scare anybody.

Add one or two checkers or two-way guys, and one or two speedy guys and your looking good.

shawnmullin
11-20-2007, 06:13 AM
Any thoughts of doing some sort of vote/poll for regular season awards?

I think it'd be very interesting based on standings and rosters who people would vote for.

Say...

Hart
Art Ross
Maurice Richard
Norris
Vezina
Jennings
Jack Adams

EagleBelfour
11-20-2007, 06:33 AM
On the Detroit Falcons, realistically and considering my rank, I could see:

Presidents' Trophy - Detroit Falcons (Nomination)
Jim Coleman Conference Trophy - Detroit Falcons (Win)
Red Fisher Conference Trophy ---
Art Ross Trophy ---
Calder Memorial Trophy (Best first time ATD player) ---
Frank J. Selke Trophy - Milt Schmidt (Win)
Hart Memorial Trophy ---
Jack Adams Award - Pat Burns (Nomination)
James Norris Memorial Trophy ---
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy - Stan Mikita (Nomination)
Lester B. Pearson Award ---
Maurice Richard Trophy ---
Vezina Trophy ---
William M. Jennings Trophy - Frank Brimsek/Roy Worters (Win)

LapierreSports
11-20-2007, 01:31 PM
Hey guys....lost my job last week and will have sporadic access to the internet. When is the deadline to vote on the first round matchups ?

Rick Middleton
11-20-2007, 02:13 PM
Presidents' Trophy --- Oakland Seals
Jim Coleman Conference Trophy ---
Red Fisher Conference Trophy ---
Art Ross Trophy --- Wayne Gretzky
Calder Memorial Trophy (Best first time ATD player) ---
Frank J. Selke Trophy ---
Hart Memorial Trophy ---
Jack Adams Award ---
James Norris Memorial Trophy --- Robert Gordon Orr
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy ---
Lester B. Pearson Award ---
Maurice Richard Trophy --- Valeri Kharlamov
Vezina Trophy ---
William M. Jennings Trophy ---


NB - Work in Progress

MXD
11-20-2007, 02:44 PM
Presidents' Trophy --- Oakland Seals
Jim Coleman Conference Trophy ---
Red Fisher Conference Trophy ---
Art Ross Trophy --- Wayne Gretzky
Calder Memorial Trophy (Best first time ATD player) ---
Frank J. Selke Trophy ---
Hart Memorial Trophy ---
Jack Adams Award ---
James Norris Memorial Trophy --- Robert Gordon Orr
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy ---
Lester B. Pearson Award ---
Maurice Richard Trophy --- Valeri Kharlamov
Vezina Trophy ---
William M. Jennings Trophy ---


NB - Work in Progress

President's trophy was actually Aurora Tigers.

As for my nominations... Keon for the Lady Byng (could be considered for Selke as well), Bucko for the Calder, and Rocket for the Pearson. Quackenbush has a shot for the Lady Bing, too.

MXD
11-20-2007, 02:46 PM
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy - Stan Mikita (Nomination)


WWHHHATTT?!?!?!

shawnmullin
11-20-2007, 06:16 PM
Art Ross Trophy --- Wayne Gretzky (OAK)
Calder Memorial Trophy (Best first time ATD player) --- ???
Frank J. Selke Trophy --- Craig Ramsay (VIC)
Hart Memorial Trophy --- Bobby Orr (NAN)
Jack Adams Award --- Al Arbour (MON C)
James Norris Memorial Trophy --- Bobby Orr (NAN)
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy --- Frank Boucher (GUE) (he owns this trophy)
Lester B. Pearson Award --- Bobby Orr (NAN)
Maurice Richard Trophy --- Mario Lemieux (NJD)
Vezina Trophy --- Dominik Hasek (NYR)
William M. Jennings Trophy --- Hasek/Peeters (NYR)

All-Star Teams

First Team: LW Bobby Hull (GUE) C Wayne Gretzky (OAK) RW Maurice Richard (SHE) D Bobby Orr (NAN) D Eddie Shore (OTT) G Dominik Hasek (NYR)
Second Team: LW Ted Lindsay (PPP) C Mario Lemieux (NJD) RW Guy Lafleur (VIC) D Ray Bourque (HAL) D Doug Harvey (BOS) G Turk Broda (MON C)

MXD
11-20-2007, 06:24 PM
Art Ross Trophy --- Wayne Gretzky (OAK)
Calder Memorial Trophy (Best first time ATD player) --- ???
Frank J. Selke Trophy --- Craig Ramsay (VIC)
Hart Memorial Trophy --- Bobby Orr (NAN)
Jack Adams Award --- Al Arbour (MON C)
James Norris Memorial Trophy --- Bobby Orr (NAN)
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy --- Frank Boucher (GUE) (he owns this trophy)
Lester B. Pearson Award --- Bobby Orr (NAN)
Maurice Richard Trophy --- Mario Lemieux (NJD)
Vezina Trophy --- Dominik Hasek (NYR)
William M. Jennings Trophy --- Hasek/Peeters (NYR)

All-Star Teams

First Team: LW Bobby Hull (GUE) C Wayne Gretzky (OAK) RW Maurice Richard (SHE) D Bobby Orr (NAN) D Eddie Shore (OTT) G Dominik Hasek (NYR)
Second Team: LW Ted Lindsay (PPP) C Mario Lemieux (NJD) RW Guy Lafleur (VIC) D Ray Bourque (HAL) D Doug Harvey (BOS) G Turk Broda (MON C)

I said Bucko, but you can seriously make a point with Yuri Liapkin, too. I just completely forgot about him.

VanIslander
11-20-2007, 06:26 PM
William M. Jennings Trophy --- Hasek/Peeters (NYR)
Thank you! That's the one most coveted by a Shero team built on a great blueline core with help from physical and Selke forwards to keep goals against down.

arrbez
11-20-2007, 06:46 PM
Calder Memorial Trophy (Best first time ATD player) --- ???


Shadrin? :innocent:

Has anyone kept track of all the first-time guys?

EagleBelfour
11-20-2007, 06:49 PM
Shadrin? :innocent:

Has anyone kept track of all the first-time guys?

Shadrin would be my vote as well.

I don't like giving awards and All-Star team however, becasue it's the same old story, as the guys with theb est career will get the most recognition.

EagleBelfour
11-20-2007, 06:52 PM
William M. Jennings Trophy --- Hasek/Peeters (NYR)

The Raiders finished 4th on a division with a lot of offensive power. There's no way Hasek gets the Jennings.

shawnmullin
11-20-2007, 06:56 PM
The Raiders finished 4th on a division with a lot of offensive power. There's no way Hasek gets the Jennings.

Most divisions have lots of offensive firepower. I imagine the Raiders won and lost a lot of 1-0 and 2-1 games.

shawnmullin
11-20-2007, 06:58 PM
Shadrin would be my vote as well.

I don't like giving awards and All-Star team however, becasue it's the same old story, as the guys with theb est career will get the most recognition.

It's true to an extent. I tried to be somewhat realistic about it. If Orr or Gretzky ended up on a team that finished 6th or 7th I wouldn't give them the awards.

That's why you don't see Plante or Roy getting goalie awards.

EagleBelfour
11-20-2007, 07:07 PM
It's true to an extent. I tried to be somewhat realistic about it. If Orr or Gretzky ended up on a team that finished 6th or 7th I wouldn't give them the awards.

That's why you don't see Plante or Roy getting goalie awards.

You're right, but I think it's clearly show the limit we can go as GM's. We can't give awards and we can't select all-star teams. Just trying to figure out which team is the best without icing them for real is one heck of a challange!

Hockey Outsider
11-20-2007, 07:08 PM
I’m tempted to pick the obvious choices in each category. I’ll try to go for some unconventional choices where possible.

HART: Howie Morenz. Okay, I’ll admit that it was hard not to pick any of the big four, but Morenz is as good as any other player in history and is essential to his team. The Gladiators finished second in their division due to a high-powered offense based on speed and skill; not only does Morenz epitomize that style, but he was the most dominant offensive player in NHL history arguably until Gordie Howe hit his prime. Leetch and Kharlamov can’t carry a team on their own, but they can act as a great complement to Morenz and will boost his scoring totals (increasing his shot at the Hart). Morenz was also a fan favourite who could put fans in the stadium, which has traditionally helped players during MVP voting. In addition, Morenz was a great defensive player and was probably the best defensive forward on the team after Sanderson, so he helps brings balance to an otherwise offense-oriented team that’s merely average in goal.

Overall, I think Morenz’s importance to one of the best teams in the draft, his ability to epitomize their offense style while providing some defensive balance, and his ability to put fans in the seats, make him a good choice for the Hart trophy.

VEZINA: Dominik Hasek was the greatest regular season goalie in NHL history playing behind Alexei Zhitnik and Jason Wooley (sorry for mentioning undrafted players). He might be bored behind Stevens, Gadsby and Lapointe, but his GAA would be microscopic and he might break his own records for sv%.

NORRIS: Bobby Orr. It just doesn’t matter. Pitseleh’s team could be last in the league and Orr would still be the best defenseman.

ART ROSS: Wayne Gretzky, and I’m not just saying that because he’s the greatest offensive talent of all time. Gretzky is supported by a trio of speedy playmaking defensemen (Clancy, Cameron and Vasiliev) and has two of the most skilled and consistent players of their respective eras as linemates.

ROCKET RICHARD: Bobby Hull is the greatest goal-scorer in hockey history and he’s playing with an Oates-calibre playmaker in Boucher.

SELKE: Joe Klukay. Elite defensive forward? Yes. Able to play on the PK? Yes. Career high in goals and points (which often gets Selke recognition)? Playing next to Hull and Oates, yes. Member of a powerhouse team (which also helps get Selke recognition)? Yes.

JACK ADAMS : Pat Burns. Don’t shoot me; I’m not saying that Burns is the greatest coach in NHL history or anything like that. However, given that he took a team with an average blueline to first place in his division implies that he implemented a stifling defensive system without handicapping the incredible talents of Mikita, Schmidt, etc., too much.

LADY BYNG: Frank Boucher. Shawnmullin is right, he literally owned the trophy after 8 years. Nicklas Lidstrom also deserves about 4 or 5 Byngs in the real NHL so I wouldn’t mind him getting one here.

CALDER: Don’t remember too many first-time draftees offhand but it would be really tough to beat Vladimir Shadrin. He might be the best two-way forward in Russian hockey prior to Sergei Fedorov.

My team doesn’t fare too well in terms of trophies. Arbour is an Adams candidate, Jarvis is a Selke candidate and Potvin would battle it out with Bourque for the second spot on the 2nd all-star team. Maybe Ratelle’s a Byng canadidate. That’s okay, there’s only one trophy my players really care about.

EagleBelfour
11-20-2007, 07:35 PM
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=444716

Am I the only one who feel like :help:

MXD
11-20-2007, 07:37 PM
Most divisions have lots of offensive firepower. I imagine the Raiders won and lost a lot of 1-0 and 2-1 games.

My guess is Hasek the Vezina, and the Jennings... Call me crazy, Bernie Parent - Roberto Luongo.

MXD
11-20-2007, 07:38 PM
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=444716

Am I the only one who feel like :help:

Well, you can make a point that Koivu will have his jersey retired if he brings the Cup, the Smythe, and scores on a 3-on-5 in the 3rd OT.

The jersey will be retired in 2045, that is.

MXD
11-20-2007, 07:41 PM
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/sports/story.html?id=794735c3-8b6d-40c1-9176-0b9039f60e86&p=1

Stupid Tom Gorman.... :)

Sturminator
11-20-2007, 11:18 PM
Calder Memorial Trophy (Best first time ATD player) --- ???

Frank Finnigan?

pitseleh
11-20-2007, 11:21 PM
Frank Finnigan?

I remember Transplanted Caper drafting Finnigan in ATD#6.

Yeah, I know, I have a weird obsession with Finnigan.

shawnmullin
11-20-2007, 11:28 PM
Maybe our Calder should go to the best rookie GM.

I nominate Doc

BM67
11-21-2007, 08:12 AM
Shadrin? :innocent:

Has anyone kept track of all the first-time guys?

These guys have never been selected before:

Ivan Tregubov
Jozef Golonka
Bernie Morris
Allan "Scotty" Davidson
Billy Boucher
Mike Murphy
Lloyd Cook
Mike Milbury
Yuri Fedorov
Jan Starsi, coach
Chris Nilan
Alexander Almetov
Jacques Martin, coach

Of course there are a bunch of guys only selected in the minor league draft that have made it to the main draft for the first time.

MXD
11-21-2007, 04:14 PM
These guys have never been selected before:

Ivan Tregubov
Jozef Golonka
Bernie Morris
Allan "Scotty" Davidson
Billy Boucher
Mike Murphy
Lloyd Cook
Mike Milbury
Yuri Fedorov
Jan Starsi, coach
Chris Nilan
Alexander Almetov
Jacques Martin, coach

Of course there are a bunch of guys only selected in the minor league draft that have made it to the main draft for the first time.

Vote for Adam Sandler!

arrbez
11-21-2007, 07:43 PM
do we have a date yet for getting all our votes in?

BM67
11-21-2007, 08:01 PM
Get your votes to me by noon eastern Sunday.

Anyone want to do writeups for any of the series?

Transplanted Caper
11-21-2007, 10:35 PM
Get your votes to me by noon eastern Sunday.

Anyone want to do writeups for any of the series?

I would be willing to help out. Might not someone from the outside, but I am here if you'd like to send a couple my way once the results are in.

Rick Middleton
11-22-2007, 07:56 AM
Get your votes to me by noon eastern Sunday.

Anyone want to do writeups for any of the series?

Could you do a quick post on all of the matchups so we're not having to constantly flip back and forth between the ATD threads to make our submissions?

BM67
11-22-2007, 08:27 AM
Could you do a quick post on all of the matchups so we're not having to constantly flip back and forth between the ATD threads to make our submissions?

You mean like this:

Playoff Matchups:

Cherry Division:
2 BM67 - New Jersey Devils vs 7 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
3 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores vs 6 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
4 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers vs 5 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers

Robson Division:
2 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF vs 7 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
3 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke vs 6 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
4 VanIslander - New York Raiders vs 5 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains

Bob Cole Division:
2 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers vs 7 Murphy - Edmonton Oilers
3 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins vs 6 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
4 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers vs 5 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs

Hewitt Division:
2 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators vs 7 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
3 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars vs 6 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
4 reckoning - Ottawa 67s vs 5 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels

or do you mean all the rosters together like we have on the 2nd page of the roster thread?

Rick Middleton
11-22-2007, 08:54 AM
You mean like this:

Playoff Matchups:

Cherry Division:
2 BM67 - New Jersey Devils vs 7 Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
3 pappyline - Guelph Biltmores vs 6 cottonking - Dallas Blackhawks
4 John Flyers Fan & Roger's Pancreas - Flin Flon Bombers vs 5 Evil Sather & kruezer - New York Rangers

Robson Division:
2 God Bless Canada & raleh - Halifax RCAF vs 7 seventieslord - Regina Wildhearts
3 MXD - Castors de Sherbrooke vs 6 nik jr & Agent Dale Cooper - Seattle Thunderbirds
4 VanIslander - New York Raiders vs 5 doctordark - Portage la Prairie Plains

Bob Cole Division:
2 pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers vs 7 Murphy - Edmonton Oilers
3 Evil Speaker - Boston Bruins vs 6 vancityluongo & Tricolore#20 - Winnipeg Jets
4 LapierreSports - Montreal Wanderers vs 5 Frightened Inmate #2 - Calgary RCAF Mustangs

Hewitt Division:
2 Rick Middleton - Gwinnett Gladiators vs 7 BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles
3 shawnmullin - Victoria Cougars vs 6 The_Hockey_Guy18 - Dartmouth Subways
4 reckoning - Ottawa 67s vs 5 Wisent - Dubai Mighty Camels

or do you mean all the rosters together like we have on the 2nd page of the roster thread?


That's perfect. Thanks.

arrbez
11-22-2007, 10:22 AM
Since I have the bye, will I be playing the winner of a specific series, or will my opponent depend on which teams move on?

God Bless Canada
11-22-2007, 12:06 PM
Since I have the bye, will I be playing the winner of a specific series, or will my opponent depend on which teams move on?
Your opponent is dependent on which opponent moves on. If Toronto upsets New Jersey, you'll face Toronto.

If I were you, though, I'd expect to face the Rangers or the Flon, because that will likely be the lowest remaining seed in your division. I don't think Toronto and/or Dallas will pull off an upset.

Sent my votes in last night. Four or five really hard series to call. NY Rangers/Flon. Tough call. NY Raiders/Portage. Tough call. Had a really hard time with Ottawa/Dubai. And I don't know if we'll ever see a better 2 vs. 7 match-up than Nanaimo vs. Edmonton. (Maybe Nalyd vs. Spit in the previous draft). Looking forward to the results.

MXD
11-22-2007, 05:51 PM
RIP Tom Johnson...

Sturminator
11-23-2007, 02:16 AM
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/sports/story.html?id=794735c3-8b6d-40c1-9176-0b9039f60e86&p=1

Stupid Tom Gorman.... :)

Luckily for the Seals, Gorman has incorporated modern materials and methods into his coaching technique. Early word from Oakland practices is that Gretzky has a bungy cord tied around his waist that prevents him from leaving the area behind the goal.

BM67
11-23-2007, 07:13 AM
Just in case people need a reminder. Send me your votes for the first round series by Sunday noon eastern. Include the winner, in how many games (best of 7), and your 3 stars for the series.

The number of games and 3 stars are tie-breakers, so they are required.

Again a call out to anybody wanting to do a write-up for a series or more.

John Flyers Fan
11-23-2007, 09:36 AM
I can do a few of the write ups.

MXD
11-23-2007, 09:38 AM
I can do only 1 write-up. As long as it's not due for next monday (well, in 4 days), I can. I know that my last stint as a writer was a total debacle, but my schedule is much less ridiculous by now.

BlueBleeder
11-23-2007, 01:40 PM
My votes are in.

raleh
11-23-2007, 01:55 PM
Just in case people need a reminder. Send me your votes for the first round series by Sunday noon eastern. Include the winner, in how many games (best of 7), and your 3 stars for the series.

The number of games and 3 stars are tie-breakers, so they are required.

Again a call out to anybody wanting to do a write-up for a series or more.

I'll do a write up. I'd like either Edmonton-Nanaimo or New York-Portage...those are my favorite series'. I have Tuesday off so I'll be able to have the whole series written up by Tuesday afternoon if the participants are okay with that.

seventieslord
11-23-2007, 02:28 PM
Am I allowed to make some radical lineup changes, in a last ditch effort to win my series?

raleh
11-23-2007, 04:11 PM
Am I allowed to make some radical lineup changes, in a last ditch effort to win my series?

You sure are. Just post it on the match up thread. I think you can make changes right up until the last day of voting.

vancityluongo
11-23-2007, 04:46 PM
Just to be sure (and it's already been said pretty clearly, but I'm fairly stupid): say, JFF is doing the series for, oh, I dunno, the Raiders and Portage. I still send my VOTES to BM67??

Nalyd Psycho
11-23-2007, 04:51 PM
I can write 2-3 series.

MXD
11-23-2007, 04:59 PM
I can write 2-3 series.

I second. Nalyd's write-ups are what interrested me in the ATD's at first. Seriously.

EagleBelfour
11-24-2007, 01:40 PM
I second. Nalyd's write-ups are what interrested me in the ATD's at first. Seriously.

+ Frank the Tank. I wonder if he could write a serie or two again this ATD.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
11-24-2007, 04:22 PM
So...I take it we don't vote for our own series?

MXD
11-24-2007, 04:27 PM
So...I take it we don't vote for our own series?

Indeed. Unless it changed...
Would be interesting if we could vote for our stars, but it could bring some problems, though.

Hockey Outsider
11-24-2007, 05:05 PM
Indeed. Unless it changed...
Would be interesting if we could vote for our stars, but it could bring some problems, though.

Voting on your own three stars could be a conflict of interest because the three stars are the second tie-breaker (after number of games). BM67 can correct me, but I think this has only determined the series winner once.

I haven't sent my votes in yet but I will later tonight.

Nalyd Psycho
11-24-2007, 05:11 PM
I know it determined the VanI vs Murphy match in ATD 6 where Sawchuk had like 2 more vote points than Gretzky. I was seriously scared I'd need to find another tie breaker. Which, if I had to would have been total three star voting for each team.

I believe one series also went to 2nd tie breaker in ATD 7.

MXD
11-24-2007, 05:20 PM
Voting on your own three stars could be a conflict of interest because the three stars are the second tie-breaker (after number of games). BM67 can correct me, but I think this has only determined the series winner once.

I haven't sent my votes in yet but I will later tonight.

Each GM would vote for three guys of his team : this said, he might vote for the ones who have the more chances to be stars instead of voting for his feelings...

Your point makes sense, and that's probably why GM can vote for their own stars : I just thought it could have amusing to see how the GM will think their team will win (or sneak up with) the round.

I had some out-of-the-blue stars in my votings (especially one of my first stars that BM might say..."***"), but I just felt this guy will have been the best player of the round considering his team's opponents.

Nalyd Psycho
11-24-2007, 05:32 PM
I had some out-of-the-blue stars in my votings (especially one of my first stars that BM might say..."***"), but I just felt this guy will have been the best player of the round considering his team's opponents.

I do that too. I hated how in ATD 6 every series except a few ended up with winning teams 1st pick being 1st star.

Hockey Outsider
11-24-2007, 08:58 PM
I believe one series also went to 2nd tie breaker in ATD 7.

I think Pitseleh beat me due to the three-points tiebreaker in the last draft (Seibert vs. Mikita).

What's the tie-breaker if one player on each team has the same number of votes? Do we go with whichever of those two players had more first-place votes? Or do we go with the team with the the player with the third-highest three stars total?

Nalyd Psycho
11-24-2007, 09:03 PM
I think Pitseleh beat me due to the three-points tiebreaker in the last draft (Seibert vs. Mikita).

What's the tie-breaker if one player on each team has the same number of votes? Do we go with whichever of those two players had more first-place votes? Or do we go with the team with the the player with the third-highest three stars total?

I was going to add up all three star votes and the winner is the team with the most overall votes.

BM67
11-25-2007, 09:17 AM
The deadline is fast approaching, noon eastern, and we have fewer votes than we did rankings so far.

We still need 4 more series write-ups, so if you want to take a stab at it, let it be known.

EagleBelfour
11-25-2007, 09:46 AM
The deadline is fast approaching, noon eastern, and we have fewer votes than we did rankings so far.

We still need 4 more series write-ups, so if you want to take a stab at it, let it be known.

Damn, I thought the deadline was at 3PM.

Rowdy Roddy Peeper
11-25-2007, 09:55 AM
My votes are in.

Sturminator
11-25-2007, 10:07 AM
The deadline is fast approaching, noon eastern, and we have fewer votes than we did rankings so far.

We still need 4 more series write-ups, so if you want to take a stab at it, let it be known.

I guess I don't have anything better to do on the train. Allright, I'll take two; any two will do.

BM67
11-25-2007, 10:55 AM
I'm going out for a bit, so if you get your votes in before I come back and do the final tally, we're good. More votes is a good thing.

MXD
11-25-2007, 11:11 AM
I'm going out for a bit, so if you get your votes in before I come back and do the final tally, we're good. More votes is a good thing.

I'm not so sure... you got mines?

God Bless Canada
11-25-2007, 02:09 PM
A quick suggestion to those doing the recaps: don't overdo it. I actually preferred Nalyd's recaps from the first draft: about 50-100 words per game, instead of 500 words per game.

Hopefully we can be on to the next round by Tuesday. I still think we can (and should) be done by Christmas.

BM67
11-25-2007, 07:54 PM
OK the series results are set and in the hand of the writers, with the exception of the Ottawa vs. Dubai series. We still need a writer for this one. Any takers?

BM67
11-26-2007, 08:35 AM
Jungosi has volunteered to do the Ottawa vs. Dubai series.

Just a few notes on the 3 stars before I forget:

Voting for players not in the series, not very helpful.

Voting for Conacher, when Lionel and Charlie are on the same team, not very helpful. Thankfully nobody voted for Richard.

MXD
11-26-2007, 05:43 PM
Jungosi has volunteered to do the Ottawa vs. Dubai series.

Just a few notes on the 3 stars before I forget:

Voting for players not in the series, not very helpful.

Voting for Conacher, when Lionel and Charlie are on the same team, not very helpful. Thankfully nobody voted for Richard.

I would have used "Pocket" and "Rocket", actually.
But I might be the one who did that mistake... I meant Charlie.

vancityluongo
11-26-2007, 06:33 PM
Voting for players not in the series, not very helpful.

What'dya mean Jovanovski isn't on every team? :sarcasm:

(Ahhh I'm overkilling that joke...)

MXD
11-26-2007, 06:37 PM
What'dya mean Jovanovski isn't on every team? :sarcasm:

(Ahhh I'm overkilling that joke...)

....hummmm....
1 - There are chances the good version shows up.
2 - It will probably not be at the same time. :)

VanIslander
11-26-2007, 07:07 PM
Now that all voting is in and we're just awaiting the results, how about some predictions:

New Jersey, Halifax, Nanaimo and Boston are surefire series winners I bet. No way these teams lose in the first round. :clap:

Ottawa, Guelph, Gwinnett and Montreal Wanderers will win but some of us could have voted for an upset or two here. :fence:

Dartmouth, NYR, Portage, Seattle are predicted as upset winners! :m-ooh:

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-26-2007, 07:20 PM
Now that all voting is in and we're just awaiting the results, how about some predictions:

New Jersey, Halifax, Nanaimo and Boston are surefire series winners I bet. No way these teams lose in the first round. :clap:

Ottawa, Guelph, Gwinnett and Montreal Wanderers will win but some of us could have voted for an upset or two here. :fence:

Dartmouth, NYR, Portage, Seattle are predicted as upset winners! :m-ooh:

For surefire winners, I have Halifax, Boston, Nanaimo and Sherbrooke. I had all of these teams winning in either 5 or 6.

Ottawa, Gwinnett and the Wanderers will all take their respective series', but will definetely have there hands full with the teams they face.

As for upsets, give me Dubai, Dallas and Portage with the victories. :yo:

I also had Toronto upsetting New Jersey, but apparently that didn't work out in LL's favour. :p:

As well, thanks for the support VanI. Hopefully others had the same mentality as you when sending in their rankings. ;)

shawnmullin
11-26-2007, 07:21 PM
I'd be shocked if that happened, but you never know.

If you guys need any extra writers to get this done faster let me know.