ATD#8 Foster Hewitt Round 1: #3 Victoria vs. #6 Dartmouth

VanIslander
11-18-2007, 09:29 PM
The Foster Hewitt division

First Round Match-Up



Victoria Cougars

Coach: Glen Sather
Captain: Pierre Pilote
Alternates: Toe Blake, Craig MacTavish

Toe Blake - Cyclone Taylor - Guy Lafleur
Alexander Yakushev - Ulf Nilsson - Brian Bellows
Vincent Damphousse - Tod Sloan - Bill Guerin
Craig Ramsay - Craig MacTavish - Floyd Curry

Pierre Pilote - Ching Johnson
Randy Carlyle - Kevin Lowe
Dallas Smith - Tomas Jonsson

Chuck Gardiner
Riley Hern

Dave Semenko, Jason Smith, Terry Crisp



vs.



Dartmouth Subways

Coach: Ted Nolan
Captain: Adam Graves
Alternates: Paul Coffey, Rick Tocchet

Kent Nilsson - Joe Malone - Teemu Selanne
Ace Bailey - Dale Hawerchuk - Joe Mullen
Tomas Sandstrom - Neal Broten - Hakan Loob
Adam Graves - Dan Bain - Rick Tocchet
Brian Skrudland

Paul Coffey - Adam Foote
Doug Wilson - Dave Burrows
Al Iafrate - Petr Svoboda
Goldie Prodgers - Barry Ashbee

Patrick Roy
Dave Kerr

VanIslander
11-18-2007, 09:29 PM
Victoria Cougars

PP1: Yakushev - Nilsson - Lafleur - Pilote - Taylor
PP2: Blake - Damphousse - Bellows - Carlyle - Jonsson

PK1: MacTavish - Ramsay - Pilote - Johnson
PK2: Taylor - Curry - Smith - Lowe

vs.

Dartmouth Subways

PP1: Malone - Hawerchuk - Selanne - Coffey - Iafrate
PP2: Bailey - Nilsson - Mullen - Svoboda - Wilson

PK1: Bain - Graves - Svoboda - Burrows
PK2: Broten - Tocchet - Wilson - Foote

pitseleh
11-18-2007, 11:36 PM
The first thing that sticks out for me is the goaltending matchup. I'm a big Gardiner fan, but having arguably the best playoff goalie of all time is a big edge for Dartmouth.

That said, Victoria has a big edge in terms of first lines. While Malone and Taylor are close, Blake/Lafleur on the wings gives them a big edge.

I also think that Victoria has a big edge in terms of a shutdown line with Ramsay-MacTavish-Curry and shutdown defense with Johnson and Lowe in their top-4.

I give Dartmouth an edge in terms of scoring depth. Coffey is a huge offensive boost from the blueline, and they have a more offensively potent second line. The third lines are close though.

MXD
11-18-2007, 11:50 PM
Hummm.... Are the Subways going with a 22-man lineup?!

shawnmullin
11-19-2007, 02:51 AM
I see a few important advantages for me here

1) Leadership: I have 48 Stanley Cup rings on my roster. This is a team full of guys who have been to the dance and walked away with the Cup. There's a big difference between getting there and actually winning. This team has a group of guys who know how to win. When I compare Pilote, MacTavish and Blake to Graves, Coffey and Tocchett I really like the advantage for my team in the dressing room.

2) Defensive play: My team is not exactly the Raiders in our own zone, but we have an elite checking line and Dartmouth doesn't. Ramsay, Mac T and Curry would stack up (IMO) with the best checking lines in the draft. Cyclone Taylor played D for half his career and is my #1 C, he can certainly check his hat. Blake is known as a goal scorer but was a smart two way player. Sloan is a physical guy who can play a shut down role. Damphousse is underrated as a two-way forward. Ultimately my biggest advantage is the checking line, but I think my forwards are more responsible than Dartmouth. I also think my D is more top to bottom responsible. I've got a D first guy on each pairing and I wouldn't call anyone in my top 6 a liabiity in his own zone, or mistake prone. I also think my PK units are clearly stronger. Take a quick look at the PK units and I think that stands out as an advantage for me for sure.

3) First line: I've got three MVP quality forwards on my top line who can all individually burn you with speed, skill and great shots. Lafleur and Blake are pretty significant upgrades on Nilsson and Selanne IMO.

4) Flexibility: If I find I'm being burned by high powered offensive players I can replace Guerin with Terry Crisp (a very good shut down, physical forward) and I can replace Jonsson with Jason Smith. I can even move Taylor to D if there's a need for it.

5) Coaching: Ted Nolan is a very good coach, but he doesn't have anywhere near the playoff experience or success that Glen Sather has.

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I like Dartmouth though, they have good offensive depth. I think it'd be a really fun series to watch. Fast, exciting hockey with players who aren't affraid to get their hands dirty. I just think my team is more balanced.

They certainly have an advantage in goal with Roy, but I don't think it's enough of an advantage that Roy could steal the series. Gardiner is a winner who had one of the greatest peaks of all time before his death. He was also an oustanding playoff goaltender who upped his game when it mattered most.

Coffey is an advantage for Dartmouth. Best puck mover on D for either team. However, I'm more than comfortable with the ability my D has to move the puck. Pilote, Carlyle, Jonsson especially.

God Bless Canada
11-19-2007, 08:48 PM
If Gwinnett/St. Louis isn't the top scoring series of the first round, this one might be. Both teams are loaded with speed and skill.

Victoria's first line is potent, and it's one of the fastest in the draft. Blake, Taylor and Lafleur can all fly. And all three are dangerous offensively. I have concerns about their ability to get it done against a more physical team, but that won't be an issue in this series, or any other series in the Hewitt Division. It will be worth watching if this team makes it out of their division, and I think they have the potential to do so.

mullin, are you expecting the third line to be a two-way line, or a scoring line? If you expect it to bring a strong defensive presence, you might want to substitute Crisp for Guerin. I like Guerin's skill level and physical play, but I wouldn't say he's very good defensively.

Your checking line is impressive, but I wouldn't expect any less from a line with Ramsay and mulls favourite MacTavish.

I made extensive comments about Dartmouth's team in the review section. I am pleased to see that they took my advice. I think the lines look a lot better. They have three lines that can score, and a fourth line that can hit hard. They don't have a shut down line, or a shut down defensive pairing - which will be very detrimental against a skilled team like Victoria.

This might be a time to use Foote and Burrows as a defensive tandem. They're both excellent defensively. And that might be your best hope at containing the Taylor line.

Coffey's the best defenceman in the series, but I like Victoria's defence better. I think the guys fit for their roles. There isn't anyone who is out of place on that blue line. Johnson's footspeed is a concern, but he's got a heck of a skater working with him. Pilote might be the most underrated defenceman ever.

Dartmouth is going to need Roy at his absolute best to win. He's got a team in front of him without a true shutdown pairing or a rock-solid defensive line, and he's facing a team with lots of speed and skill. And I don't think the gap between Roy and Gardiner (or anyone and Gardiner) is that big. Gardiner's a top 20 all-time goaltender. Not much to choose between the guys in the top 20.

Victoria's speed and skill makes them the perfect team for Sather to coach. I really like Ted Nolan, he's a guy who always gets the most from his players, but I think he'd favour a team with a little more sandpaper. Graves and Tocchet are Nolan types; I don't know if there are enough Nolan-types.

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-19-2007, 10:27 PM
Hey guys, I'll give my full review of the series tomorrow night, but I will say now that the lines will be juggled a bit. I'm trying to find a way to stop Victoria's offense, so look to see Brian Skrudland and Barry Ashbee in the line-up for Game 1.

Also, I'd like to wish the best of luck to smullin. It should be an exciting series, and may the best team win. :handclap:

shawnmullin
11-20-2007, 03:39 AM
mullin, are you expecting the third line to be a two-way line, or a scoring line? If you expect it to bring a strong defensive presence, you might want to substitute Crisp for Guerin. I like Guerin's skill level and physical play, but I wouldn't say he's very good defensively.

Your checking line is impressive, but I wouldn't expect any less from a line with Ramsay and mulls favourite MacTavish.

Firstly, I would say that my fourth line would probably get more ice time than any line but the first. In terms of ice time the order would be

1rst
4th
2nd
3rd

I could put the lines in that order, but I suspect people would understand how much the Ramsay/Mac T/Curry line would be used.

As for the third line, I envisioned them as a line with varied skills. Sloan and Damphousse are both responsible two way players, Sloan more than Damphousse. All three guys can score with good line mates. Sloan and Guerin both provide a strong physical pressence. I felt the team needed more size, toughness, grit, those are things Guerin has. He's not great defensively, but he's not going to cost me.

I agree with you, if I'm looking for almost a secondary shut down unit Crisp comes in for Guerin. In this series I feel comfortable with this line out there going toe to toe with the offensive lines for Datmouth. I am happy to play run and gun with them top to bottom with my IMO stronger D, stronger PK and better two way forwards up and down the lineup.

But Crisp is certainly on stand by. If Sather finds that line is getting burned, I have the option to add Crisp and have Sloan and Damphousse concentrate more on their defensive zone coverage. Still I like the balance of the third line. A little of everything.

Nalyd Psycho
11-20-2007, 05:19 AM
I can't help but notice how similar the top 4 d-men are. I like Dartmouth's offensive two better, but I prefer Victoria's defensive duo. I prefer Dartmouth's 2nd and 3rd lines, particularly the 2nd line, but Victoria has the better 1st and 4th lines. Goaltending is an obvious call.

All that said, I think Big Yak may be the kicker for me. Both PK's are kind of average, so I would imagine an edge on the PP would be huge, skill wise the PPs are similar, but Yakushev is the only good crease crashing screen in the series.

shawnmullin
11-20-2007, 07:03 PM
I can't help but notice how similar the top 4 d-men are. I like Dartmouth's offensive two better, but I prefer Victoria's defensive duo. I prefer Dartmouth's 2nd and 3rd lines, particularly the 2nd line, but Victoria has the better 1st and 4th lines. Goaltending is an obvious call.

All that said, I think Big Yak may be the kicker for me. Both PK's are kind of average, so I would imagine an edge on the PP would be huge, skill wise the PPs are similar, but Yakushev is the only good crease crashing screen in the series.

I can't believe you would think that a PK of Ramsay, Mac T, Pilote and Johnson is merely average. I think that's a pretty damn strong unit. Especially when compared to Bain, Graves, Svoboda and Burrows.

Nalyd Psycho
11-21-2007, 05:24 AM
I can't believe you would think that a PK of Ramsay, Mac T, Pilote and Johnson is merely average. I think that's a pretty damn strong unit. Especially when compared to Bain, Graves, Svoboda and Burrows.

You're right, the first unit is very strong. It's the 2nd unit that leaves me uninspired.

shawnmullin
11-21-2007, 06:21 AM
You're right, the first unit is very strong. It's the 2nd unit that leaves me uninspired.

Do you think Sloan is better with Curry than Taylor? I personally like firstly having his speed and secondly his defensive insincts. He'd be a threat and knows how to play his own zone.

Leaivng me something like Sloan Damphousse for a third PK unit, which isn't bad either. Physical, speed, good two way smarts.

shawnmullin
11-21-2007, 06:24 AM
Hey guys, I'll give my full review of the series tomorrow night, but I will say now that the lines will be juggled a bit. I'm trying to find a way to stop Victoria's offense, so look to see Brian Skrudland and Barry Ashbee in the line-up for Game 1.

Also, I'd like to wish the best of luck to smullin. It should be an exciting series, and may the best team win. :handclap:

Hey, best of luck to you too! Your first team is definately better than mine was I'll say that.

Nalyd Psycho
11-21-2007, 06:50 AM
Do you think Sloan is better with Curry than Taylor? I personally like firstly having his speed and secondly his defensive insincts. He'd be a threat and knows how to play his own zone.

Leaivng me something like Sloan Damphousse for a third PK unit, which isn't bad either. Physical, speed, good two way smarts.

Taylor's defensive game isn't all it's cracked up to be, the only reason he played defense was to give his teammates a head start on the breakout. Taylor absolutely should be used if the opponent uses a forward on the point or has d-men known for not holding the point. But, against Coffey, I'm not sure he'll even get many breakaways. Sloan-Curry would probably the best at shutting down Dartmouth PP, aside from the lack of a proven screen, Dartmouth has an excellent PP, so, keeping it simple and not trying to score SH goals would probably be advised.

That's my two cents.

shawnmullin
11-21-2007, 08:22 AM
Your point about Coffey is well taken.

I'm gonna go ahead with that switch.

Sloan-Curry-Smith-Lowe 2nd PK

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-21-2007, 02:52 PM
Hey guys, sorry I couldn't type up my review last night, work stuff. I'm putting the finishing touches on it now, and it'll be up by tonight. Thanks.

By the way, are we allowed to go with a 21 man line-up? I'm wondering if this is legal, as I'm setting my lines for the series now.

raleh
11-21-2007, 02:57 PM
Hey, best of luck to you too! Your first team is definately better than mine was I'll say that.

Mullin, that's kinda going to go down in ATD history. I personally don't think your first team was bad. It was definitely better than mine was given the players that were available. Since the playoff format was introduced it's definitely the best team to ever get swept! :teach:

shawnmullin
11-21-2007, 06:51 PM
Mullin, that's kinda going to go down in ATD history. I personally don't think your first team was bad. It was definitely better than mine was given the players that were available. Since the playoff format was introduced it's definitely the best team to ever get swept! :teach:

Well my problem like many first GM teams was that I concentrated mainly on scoring up and down the line-up. Basically making an all-star team instead of a team. Plus I missed my second round pick which is a disaster waiting to happen.

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-21-2007, 07:10 PM
Dartmouth vs. Victoria, Round 1

LINE-UP

For this first round series against the Cougars, our team has to find a way to play very good defense against the top 2 Victoria lines, as well as a way to put the puck past Chuck Gardiner.
Because of this, we will be putting Barry Ashbee into the line-up, to play a sixth defenseman role, as well as on our PK, with Al Iafrate moving to the 7th spot, as a powerplay specialist (If playing with 21 men is illegal, just let me know, and I'll make changes from there). Ashbee, in his time, was one mean SOB, as well as a great defensive defenseman. He was a great shot-blocker, and could dish out punishing body checks. He was also known to be great when clearing the front of the net, despite being only 5’10, 180. We will be placing Ashbee on our second penalty kill unit, as well as on our third defensive pairing (more on this later). As for Iafrate, though he wasn’t the best defensive player of his time, he had one hell of a shot. Paired with Coffey on the first power play unit, he should be able to use that blast of his a fair amount.
Our top pairing of Paul Coffey and Adam Foote will be staying the same. Doug Wilson will be playing mainly with Petr Svoboda, with Iafrate subbing in depending on the score of the game. Our third pairing will be our shut down pairing. Both Dave Burrows and Barry Ashbee are included in the top defensive defenseman of their respective eras, and will be counted on to play against Victoria’s potent first line.

Paul Coffey - Adam Foote
Doug Wilson - Petr Svoboda
Dave Burrows – Barry Ashbee
Al Iafrate

With the addition with Ashbee into the line-up, the back-end on our penalty kill will now look like this.

PK1: Burrows - Foote
PK2: Svoboda – Ashbee

For our forward line-up, Brian Skrudland will be moving into the line-up, taking the place of Tomas Sandstrom. Skrudland will be playing a shutdown role on our fourth line, playing the left side with Neal Broten at center, and Rick Tocchet on the right wing. Skrudland was a center throughout his career, but in a shutdown role, I believe he’ll be able to adapt to playing the wing rather quickly. With Broten moving down to the fourth line, and Skrudland coming into the line-up, this moves both Adam Graves and Dan Bain onto the third line, to play with Hakan Loob. IMO, this could be great for the Swedish winger, as the big bodies of Graves and Bain will give him plenty of room to operate with their strength and physical presences. As well, both Graves and Bain were fairly talented players themselves, so Loob’s skills will be put to good use on this third line.

Adam Graves - Dan Bain - Hakan Loob
Brian Skrudland - Neal Broten - Rick Tocchet

My top two lines will be staying the same, but Skrudland will be placed on the first penalty kill, along side Graves. This moves Broten down to the second PK, along with Tocchet. Bain will replace any of these guys, if they happen to take a penalty.

Skrudland – Graves
Broten – Tocchet

My powerplay will be staying the same for the series. The first unit will work with a high triangle, with Coffey in the middle, Iafrate to his right with his big shot, and Hawerchuk’s passing ability to his left. Malone will be in front of the net for a screen, and Selanne will be down to the side of the net. If this isn’t working, Selanne will control the puck on the half boards, with Coffey at the point along the wall. Iafrate will be in the middle of the ice, and Hawerchuk will be in the corner low. Malone and his amazing goal scoring ability will be in the slot, waiting for an open pass. The second unit will operate the same way, with Wilson controlling the middle, Svoboda to his right, and Nilsson to his left. Mullen will be to the side of the net, and Bailey will be in front for the screen. The second set up will consist of Nilsson along the half boards, Mullen down low, Wilson on the wall on the point, Svoboda patrolling the middle, and Bailey in the slot. Depending how Victoria is set-up, Teddy can decide which set-up to use.

TEAM STRATEGY

Defense – Overall team defense against mullin’s Cougars is going to play a huge part in our team getting the victory this series. Our top 2 defenseman, Coffey and Doug Wilson, are going to have to be at their best in both ends of the ice, and our depth defenseman are going to have to play the roles that are given to them. Our top pairing of Coffey and Foote will be expected to provide offense to our already explosive first line, while also bringing a defensive presence to the ice. Coffey will be playing at least 25 minutes a game, while Foote will receive anywhere between 10-20, depending on how each game goes. Our first line will match up with the Cougars second line when we are at home. Our second defense pairing of Wilson and Svoboda will be allowed to free wheel against the oppositions defensive minded third line. Wilson was a great offensive defenseman in his day, and with Svoboda as his partner, Wilson should be able to pinch and skate the puck, without having to worry about leaving Roy all alone. Wilson will be playing 20-25 minutes a game, while Svoboda will be playing around 10-15. Our third pairing of Burrows and Ashbee will be counted on for defense, and defense alone. Neither guy got more than 30 points in an NHL season, so as you can see, their offensive capabilities are limited. On defense, however, both guys were studs. For this reason, we will be matching up these two with Victoria’s top line. As a side note, Burrows made a living shutting down Lafleur in the 70’s. It is said that Burrows could skate backwards as fast as most players could skate forwards, so this, plus the heart and strength of Ashbee, should combine to be a lethal shutdown pairing. Both guys should be on the ice around 15-20 minutes a game, depending on the score and how well they play against the Taylor line. Iafrate will get 5-10 minutes in a tight game, mainly on the powerplay, but if the game isn’t close, we’ll test him with some more ice, and see how he fairs. If he can prove that he can pick up his defensive game, we’ll trust him with some more even strength ice time.

Toe Blake - Cyclone Taylor - Guy Lafleur ~ Burrows – Ashbee
Alexander Yakushev - Ulf Nilsson - Brian Bellows ~ Coffey – Foote

Offense – Apart from stellar defensive play, our team is going to need to outscore the powerful Cougar offense. This means that our top three lines are going to need to be at there offensive bests, as Victoria has not only a very good shutdown line, but a very good top 4 defenseman and a top 10 all-time goalie. At home, our 4th line will be playing against Victoria’s top line, and our 1st line will line up against Victoria’s average 3rd line, where our speed and scoring ability should be able to take advantage of the one weak line this team has. Our 3rd line, which has two of our teams strongest players, will be matched with Victoria’s 2nd, for the reason that I want our Captain, and the physically strong Dan Bain facing Yak and 210 pound Brian Bellows. Our 2nd line will face Victoria’s very good shutdown line, which will be a good test for Bailey-Hawerchuk-Mullen. On the road, Teddy Nolan will do his best to keep these match-ups, but when last change takes its toll, he’ll just roll 4 lines.

Toe Blake - Cyclone Taylor - Guy Lafleur ~ Brian Skrudland - Neal Broten - Rick Tocchet – Dave Burrows – Barry Ashbee

Alexander Yakushev - Ulf Nilsson - Brian Bellows ~ Adam Graves - Dan Bain - Hakan Loob – Paul Coffey – Adam Foote

Vincent Damphousse - Tod Sloan - Bill Guerin ~ Kent Nilsson - Joe Malone - Teemu Selanne – Doug Wilson – Petr Svoboda

Craig Ramsay - Craig MacTavish - Floyd Curry ~ Ace Bailey - Dale Hawerchuk - Joe Mullen – Paul Coffey – Adam Foote

Last thing for strategy, here are my line-ups in the final minutes of the game.

Last minute when leading:

Brian Skrudland - Neal Broten - Rick Tocchet – Dave Burrows – Adam Foote

Last minute when trailing:

Joe Malone – Dale Hawerchuk – Teemu Selanne – Paul Coffey – Doug Wilson
Extra Attacker: Ace Bailey

DARTMOUTH ADVANTAGES

1. Goaltending – This is the first big advantage I see for my team over the Cougars. Although Gardiner is an awesome goalie, when playoffs come around, Roy is on a whole other level. Easily a top 3 clutch player of all time, Roy and his 3 Conn Smythe’s should steal us at least a couple of games in this series alone.

2. Powerplay – Although both first PP units are pretty even, our depth with a man up is undeniable. Our team is built on offense, and this gives us two lethal PP lines, where as Victoria’s second unit is very average. If we can use our speed to get Victoria into penalty trouble, we should tire their PK out quickly with our puck movement, and take advantage eventually.

3. Offensive depth – Victoria has only two lines that can be counted on for offense, where as our team has 4 lines that can score goals. All four lines have a 50-goal scorer (counting Tocchet’s 48 goal season as 50), and all can be asked to provide offense if need be. This could be a huge advantage for us if the time comes.

Well, that’s my lengthy review and strategy for my first playoff series. Hope it’s alright and if a part of it doesn't make sense, just let me know. It took a while to write, and I'm sure it's not totally perfect. And once again, good luck shawnmullin. Can’t wait for the games to begin.

shawnmullin
11-21-2007, 07:33 PM
Just for the record, I am almost 100% sure you can't play with 21 men. We follow the current NHL rules.

You can sub Ashbee in if you want, but you can't just play with an extra man.

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-21-2007, 07:38 PM
Yeah, I figured you weren't able to. Give me a bit to re-work my lines, and I'll have them posted tonight. The only thing that really needs work is the power play now anyway. Thanks sm.

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-21-2007, 09:33 PM
My line-up will now look like this, with Ashbee subbed in for Iafrate, and Skrudland subbed in for Sandstrom. This might hurt my powerplay, losing a shot like Iafrate's, but against a high-octane first line like Victoria's, it'd probably be better to sacrifice offense for defense in this situation.

Kent Nilsson - Joe Malone - Teemu Selanne
Ace Bailey - Dale Hawerchuk - Joe Mullen
Adam Graves - Dan Bain - Hakan Loob
Brian Skrudland - Neal Broten - Rick Tocchet

Paul Coffey - Adam Foote
Doug Wilson - Petr Svoboda
Dave Burrows - Barry Ashbee

Press Box: Tomas Sandstrom, Al Iafrate, Goldie Prodgers.

On the powerplay, Iafrate will be replaced by Loob. I don't know how great of a decision this might be, so I'd like some feedback on this one. As well, after doing a bit more research, I'm also going to add a third PK, with Bain and Loob comprising this final penalty kill. Burrows and Foote will be the defenseman on this penalty kill.

PP1: Malone - Hawerchuk - Selanne - Coffey - Loob
PP2: Bailey - Nilsson - Mullen - Svoboda - Wilson

PK1: Bain - Graves - Burrows - Foote
PK2: Broten - Tocchet - Svoboda - Ashbee
PK3: Bain - Loob - Burrows - Foote

shawnmullin
11-21-2007, 09:46 PM
If you do stick with Loob ont he PP I'm going to expand my PK and bring Taylor back into it.

My forward units would then be...

Ramsay Mac T
Taylor Curry
Sloan Damphousse

Taylor would be out there to use his defensive awareness but most of all speed and transition game to take advantage of Loob at the point.

If Loob is moved off the point, I put Sloan and Curry back together and stick with primarily two forward units.

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-21-2007, 10:02 PM
If you do stick with Loob ont he PP I'm going to expand my PK and bring Taylor back into it.

My forward units would then be...

Ramsay Mac T
Taylor Curry
Sloan Damphousse

Taylor would be out there to use his defensive awareness but most of all speed and transition game to take advantage of Loob at the point.

If Loob is moved off the point, I put Sloan and Curry back together and stick with primarily two forward units.

Haha, I knew that was coming. :) This is exactly the reason I put Loob with Coffey.
When at home, Teddy will try and keep Loob off of the point when Taylor is on the ice. However, even if it does happen that Loob is out against Cyclone, I believe that between him and Coffey, they'll have enough speed to prevent any odd man rushes or breakaways.

shawnmullin
11-27-2007, 07:13 PM
Who is doing this series?

BM67
11-27-2007, 09:25 PM
Who is doing this series?
JFF

John Flyers Fan
11-27-2007, 09:28 PM
writeups about to begin

John Flyers Fan
11-27-2007, 09:37 PM
Roy opens playoffs with a shutout


VICTORIA (AP) -- The Dartmouth Subways gave the Victoria Cougars a rude welcome back to the NHL playoffs.

Dale Hawerchuk scored two goals and Patrick Roy made 28 saves as the Subways beat the young, inexperienced Cougars 3-0 Thursday night to ruin Victoria's return to the postseason after a seven-year absence.

Dartmouth will try to take a 2-0 lead in the best-of-seven Eastern Conference series here Saturday.

"You want to try to get a series over with as quickly as possible," Roy said, stressing that the Subways aren't satisfied with winning Game 1 on the road.

"Our goal tonight was to try to win this game, and we did that. Now, we've got to go out on Saturday, play the same way and frustrate them. I'm sure they're going to make some adjustments. That's what playoff hockey is all about."

Roy handily won Round 1 of the key matchup between him and Victoria goalie Chuck Gardiner.

The Dartmouth goaltender recorded his twenty sixth career playoff shutout, stopping 10 shots to cling to a 1-0 lead early in the second period. His sensational play on a potential momentum-shifting shot by Cyclone Taylor left the coaches of both saying that save was the biggest of the night.

Hawerchuk scored his second goal three minutes later.

"That's the turning point. If they score there, it may be a different hockey game," Dartmouth coach Ted Nolan said. "We expect that out of Patty. He's given it to us all year, so why not tonight?"

Roy rejected 13 more shots in the third period, when the Cougars made a futile attempt to get back into the game after Joe Malone's goal made it 3-0 with just under 19 minutes to play.

"They ended up scoring at opportune times and we didn't," Victoria coach Glen Sather said.

"You look at the score. It's 3-0 and it's a blowout. It wasn't. There's so many little things that happened. Little things change the game. We need to force some breaks our way the next game."

Gardiner, a four-time All-Star, was instrumental in the third-seeded Cougars going 14-2-8 down the stretch.

But the Victoria goalie wasn't on top of his game Thursday night. The Subways were outshot 28-22, but made the most of their opportunities.

Hawerchuk, assisted by Joe Mullen and Ace Bailey, scored late in the first period. His scored the next time a two-on-one break, taking a pass from Paul Coffey and beating Gardiner after Victoria's Kevin Lowe turned the puck over in the neutral zone.

Victoria captain Pierre Pilote said the Cougars, which had 10 players making their playoff debuts, will bounce back.

"The series isn't over. There's a long way to go," the 14-year veteran said. "They've got to win three more games."

John Flyers Fan
11-27-2007, 09:50 PM
Selanne has two goals, two assists as Subways take 2-0 lead


VICTORIA (AP) -- Teemu Selanne played as if he had something to prove.

A non-factor in the opening game of the first-round playoff series between Victoria and Dartmouth, the NHL's highest-paid player asserted himself from the start Saturday in the Subway's 6-3 victory over the Cougars.

Selanne finished with two goals and two assists. And, the sixth-seeded Subways, who took a 2-0 lead in the series, moved into position to eliminate third-seeded Victoria by winning Games 3 and 4 at home Tuesday and Wednesday.

"It's not over until you lose four games. We have two to go to win the series," Selanne said. "I've been on their side before and down two. It's definitely not over."

The loss was the fourth straight for the Cougars, who clinched their home-ice advantage for the first round with two games left in the regular season.

Now they have to regroup and try to save their season in Dartmouth, where they haven't won since Nov. 4, 2004 -- a span of 11 games.

"I know they have a stranglehold," Cougars coach Glen Sather said. "We need everything going to crawl back into this."

Kent Nilsson had two goals and one assist for Dartmouth. Selanne, meanwhile, didn't show any signs of being bothered by a sore right wrist after being limited to one shot in Game 1 on Thursday night.

The eight-time All-Star stopped a streak of eight games without a goal less than five minutes into the first period. He also had assists on goals by Nilsson and Joe Malone as the Subways played even better than in the opener when Dale Hawerchuk scored twice in a 3-0 victory.

The Subways traded for Selanne before last season and are paying him the highest salary in the league -- $9 million per year -- to get them over the playoff hump. Dartmouth was knocked out in the first round in 2004 and 2005, and didn't qualify last year.

Selanne's first goal was a work of beauty. He deked Ching Johnson, then skated around the retreating Victoria defenseman for a clear path to goalie Chuck Gardiner, who was unable to stop a wrist shot that deflected in off the left post.

"I don't really remember the first goal. I didn't even know I scored," Selanne said.

"I hit somebody wide and tried to go to the net. I used to play like that when I was 18 years old; when I had speed. I had a chance to go one-on-one. That's what I'm always looking for."

Nilsson made it 2-0 a little more than three minutes later. Victoria cut the lead on Toe Blake's goal, but fell behind by two goals again when Selanne -- assisted by Hawerchuk and Nilsson -- scored to make it 3-1 with less than two minutes remaining in the first.

Malone added Dartmouth's third power-play goal in the second period to make it 4-1 before Brian Bellows brought the Cougars back within two goals with 1:12 left in the second.

Nilsson's second goal, scored after Victoria's Dallas Smith failed to clear the puck, made it 5-2 just over three minutes in the final period. Vincent Damphousse cut the Cougar's deficit to 5-3 at 10:44, but Rick Tocchet added an empty-net goal for Dartmouth with less than a minute left.

"We scored the goals at the right time. But it's not about scoring goals it's about winning," Nilsson said. "We won the game, now we have to get ready for the next one."

Patrick Roy, who had 28 saves to get his twenty sixth career playoff shutout in Game 1, stopped 40 of 43 shots to outplay Gardiner again.

"I've had better games. Same time, I think, if we want to win the next game, we can't be playing the game short-handed," Gardiner said. "They have a very good power play, and it hurt us a lot today. I should have been better, but we've got to be more disciplined."

John Flyers Fan
11-27-2007, 10:05 PM
I have to be up at 3am for work tomorrow .. the remainder of the series will be published tomorrow.

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-27-2007, 10:11 PM
This is like one of those gameshow's, where the host is like...

And we'll find out the answer...right after the commercial break. Ouch. Great write-ups though JFF. Lets hope my Subs can keep it rolling.

John Flyers Fan
11-28-2007, 07:22 PM
Cougars snap 11-game skid at Dartmouth Center



DARTMOUTH (AP) -- It took a very unusual development for Victoria to get some life in the playoffs -- a 5-on-3 power play in overtime.

Cyclone Taylor scored on the two-man advantage 2:29 into the extra period Tuesday night, giving the Cougars a 4-3 victory over the Dartmouth Subways and ending 4 years of frustration in Dartmouth.

"We thought if the penalties were going to even out, they would even out in the third period,'' said Dartmouth defensemen Dave Burrows, who became the critical second man in the box when he elbowed Joe Mullen in the head. "I don't think anyone expects a 5-on-3 in overtime.''

The victory reduced the Subways' first-round playoff series lead to 2-1 and snapped an 11-game Victoria losing streak at the Dartmouth Center. The Cougar's last road win over Dartmouth came on Nov. 4, 2002.

Game 4 is Wednesday night in Dartmouth.

"We don't feel the pressure,'' Victoria coach Glen Sather said. "No matter what happens in this series, we're not supposed to win it. So we're just going to continue to play.''

With Burrows and Teemu Selane off the ice, Taylow poked in an easy rebound for his second goal of the game, completing an odd twist to the series. The playoff-inexperienced Cougars have been taking bad penalties from the start -- including a few more Tuesday night -- but it was the Subways who were finally caught short in a major way.

Asked if he had ever seen a 5-on-3 overtime situation, Taylor said: "No -- but you've got to be disciplined.'' He then laughed, because it's been lack of discipline that has hurt the Cougars.

Taylor said he was surprised by the two-man advantage. "But at the same time, they've done a great job. It doesn't matter whether you're in overtime or in the third period with two minutes left in the game, it should always be the same. Sometimes they don't do that, but they did tonight.''

While Burrow's penalty was more obvious, Dartmouth coach Ted Nolan took issue with the roughing call on Selanne.

"It's a one-on-one battle away from the play you see a hundred times,'' Nolan said. "He saw it as roughing.''

Each team scored once in each of the three regulation periods, with Victoria taking the one-goal lead each time. Dartmouth defenseman Petr Svoboda sent the game into overtime with a late goal, and Tomas Sandstrom scored twice for the Subways after missing a first-period penalty shot.

The key to the game was Sather's decision to move Guy LaFleur to Taylor's first line. LaFleur made two assists from the rear boards and scored in the third period.

"We couldn't find an answer for them,'' Nolan said. "Tonight they were the difference. Let's face it: Young kids, you get thrown together and you have success early on.''

Svoboda tied the game from the slot with 2:56 to play, taking a brave centering pass from Selanne. Selanne was sandwiched while making the pass, took an elbow from Pierre Pilote and lay bleeding on the ice for about a minute.

Selanne didn't miss a shift, and no penalty was called -- although Selanne said he felt there should have been.

LaFleur had given Victoria the lead with 8:47 remaining after taking Toe Blake's well-timed pass at the blue line.

The Cougars again came out aggressive, taking their first lead of the series when LaFleur fed Taylor in the slot.

Sandstrom had a chance to tie it with his short-handed penalty shot, awarded after he was hooked to the ice by Blake, but his attempt was high and wide. He redeemed minutes later on a power play.

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-28-2007, 07:33 PM
Cougars snap 11-game skid at Dartmouth Center



DARTMOUTH (AP) -- It took a very unusual development for Victoria to get some life in the playoffs -- a 5-on-3 power play in overtime.

Cyclone Taylor scored on the two-man advantage 2:29 into the extra period Tuesday night, giving the Cougars a 4-3 victory over the Dartmouth Subways and ending 4 years of frustration in Dartmouth.

"We thought if the penalties were going to even out, they would even out in the third period,'' said Dartmouth defensemen Dave Burrows, who became the critical second man in the box when he elbowed Joe Mullen in the head. "I don't think anyone expects a 5-on-3 in overtime.''

The victory reduced the Subways' first-round playoff series lead to 2-1 and snapped an 11-game Victoria losing streak at the Dartmouth Center. The Cougar's last road win over Dartmouth came on Nov. 4, 2002.

Game 4 is Wednesday night in Dartmouth.

"We don't feel the pressure,'' Victoria coach Glen Sather said. "No matter what happens in this series, we're not supposed to win it. So we're just going to continue to play.''

With Burrows and Teemu Selane off the ice, Taylow poked in an easy rebound for his second goal of the game, completing an odd twist to the series. The playoff-inexperienced Cougars have been taking bad penalties from the start -- including a few more Tuesday night -- but it was the Subways who were finally caught short in a major way.

Asked if he had ever seen a 5-on-3 overtime situation, Taylor said: "No -- but you've got to be disciplined.'' He then laughed, because it's been lack of discipline that has hurt the Cougars.

Taylor said he was surprised by the two-man advantage. "But at the same time, they've done a great job. It doesn't matter whether you're in overtime or in the third period with two minutes left in the game, it should always be the same. Sometimes they don't do that, but they did tonight.''

While Burrow's penalty was more obvious, Dartmouth coach Ted Nolan took issue with the roughing call on Selanne.

"It's a one-on-one battle away from the play you see a hundred times,'' Nolan said. "He saw it as roughing.''

Each team scored once in each of the three regulation periods, with Victoria taking the one-goal lead each time. Dartmouth defenseman Petr Svoboda sent the game into overtime with a late goal, and Tomas Sandstrom scored twice for the Subways after missing a first-period penalty shot.

The key to the game was Sather's decision to move Guy LaFleur to Taylor's first line. LaFleur made two assists from the rear boards and scored in the third period.

"We couldn't find an answer for them,'' Nolan said. "Tonight they were the difference. Let's face it: Young kids, you get thrown together and you have success early on.''

Svoboda tied the game from the slot with 2:56 to play, taking a brave centering pass from Selanne. Selanne was sandwiched while making the pass, took an elbow from Pierre Pilote and lay bleeding on the ice for about a minute.

Selanne didn't miss a shift, and no penalty was called -- although Selanne said he felt there should have been.

LaFleur had given Victoria the lead with 8:47 remaining after taking Toe Blake's well-timed pass at the blue line.

The Cougars again came out aggressive, taking their first lead of the series when LaFleur fed Taylor in the slot.

Sandstrom had a chance to tie it with his short-handed penalty shot, awarded after he was hooked to the ice by Blake, but his attempt was high and wide. He redeemed minutes later on a power play.

Just some minor concerns, JFF. Joey Mullen is on my team, as well as Burrows. Unless he elbowed his own player? :) As well, Tomas Sandstrom isn't dressed for the series.
Just a couple points though, I love the write-ups so far. Keep it up.

John Flyers Fan
11-28-2007, 07:34 PM
LaFleur provides spark for Cougars



DARTMOUTH (AP) -- Guy LaFleur is a zone, and he's in no mood to stop and analyze how he got there.

For the second consecutive game, LaFleur provided the spark for the Victoria Cougars, scoring two goals in a 3-1 victory over the Dartmouth Subways that evened the first-round playoff series Wednesday night at 2-2.

"I'm not concentrating on figuring out why we're being so successful,'' LaFleur said. "I'm just trying to get as many chances as I can and create chances.

"When that stuff happens, you just go with it. You don't try to figure out why.''

Coach Glen Sather likes the new LaFleur.

"The key with Guy is that he's stopped thinking,'' Sather said. "He's a guy that reads between the lines and is thinking all the time. Sometimes you just need to play, react and use your instincts.''

Game 5 in the best-of-seven series is Friday in Victoria, which might or might not be good for the Cougars. The home team has lost every game of the series -- in fact, no home team has even had a lead.

"It's one of the screwiest sports around as far as home ice. No one wants it,'' Sather said. "I think a big plus for us right now is that we've played four games, and we're beginning to understand. I think we're learning our lessons.''

Toe Blake also scored the Lightning. Joe Mullen had Dartmouth's only goal.

The Subways now have to deal with an ugly past they considered long buried. They were the ATD's collapse artists in the 1990s, blowing a two-game series lead three times from 1992-96, a bit of history Sather revived this week when trying to motivate his players.

"We're a totally different team,'' Dartmouth goaltender Patrick Roy said. "We've got nine new players just since last year. Back in '99 everybody made a big thing about that, and we seemed to get that monkey off our back. So I don't think anybody's paying too much attention to it.''

LaFleur was moved to Taylor's line after the Cougars lost the first two games at home. The new line has since accounted, directly or indirectly, for all seven of Victoria's goals.

In the process, the line has done an amazing thing: It has managed to make Dan Bain's usually outstanding checking line -- the bedrock of Dartmouth's season -- look very pedestrian.

"They're a shutdown line. They take pride in it,'' Dartmouth coach Ted Nolan said. "This is the time of year you can make a name for yourself in that regard. I hope they are up to the challenge.''

Nolan countered the Cougars changes with some shuffling of his own. But the older Subways, playing on back-to-back nights, never really hit their stride against the younger Cougars.

"It's now a best of three,'' Roy said. "And we can't be the team that plays like a deer caught in headlights.''

Playing just 24 hours after an energetic overtime game, the teams had no goals or penalties in a ragged first period.

The intensity picked up early in the second, when Subways killed six minutes of penalties before LaFleur broke the scoreless tie with a nice run. Starting beyond the red line, he deked Adam Foote before beating Roy between the legs.

Mullen tied it when he deflected Paul Coffey's shot between goaltender Chuck Gardiner's legs, and the Subways' got more momentum when less than a minute later when Victoria committed its first penalty.

But Pierre Pilote blocked a shot, then forced Ace Bailey to turn the puck over to at the blue line. That created a two-man breakaway that ended when the Cougars captain fed LaFleur for the easy short-handed score.

"I don't think he expected me to come all the way over there,'' Pilote said. "Usually, a penalty killer is going to turn around and go to the net. It turns out to be a big play, a momentum changer.''

Taylor gave the Cougars some breathing room early in the third when he won a faceoff from Bain, then beat Bain to the puck to put in the rebound on Randy Carlyle's shot.

John Flyers Fan
11-28-2007, 07:46 PM
Cougars on verge of playoff series victory


VICTORIA (AP) -- One of the smallest guys on the ice came up big again for Victoria.

Toe Blake, listed generously at 5-foot-10, 162 pounds, had a goal and an assist Friday night as the Cougars beat the Dartmouth Subways 2-1 to take a 3-2 lead in their first-round playoff series.

"He's got the heart of a 6-foot-6 guy. You know what the players think of a guy like that,'' teammate Kevin Lowe said after Victoria's third straight victory in the best-of-seven Eastern Conference matchup.

"He's invaluable. We don't look at him as a small guy. The way he plays, he has a big man's game.''

Blake, a first-time All-Star this season, has teamed with Cyclone Taylor and Guy LaFleur to score Victoria's last nine goals -- all four in Game 3, all three in Game 4 and both Friday night.

The Cougars, once a doormat franchise making its first postseason appearance in seven years, can win a series for the first time in 11-seasons hby taking Game 6 Sunday in Dartmouth.

Game 7 would be here Tuesday night.

"Obviously we're on a little high right now,'' Blake said. "You've got to calm down quick, because Sunday is going to come very fast. This is as big a win as anything experienced here. But there's a bigger one coming. That's the most important one.''

Guy LaFleur, who has four goals and three assists in the last three games, made a perfect pass to Blake to put the Lightning ahead for good with 8:07 remaining.

LaFleur, assisted by Blakr, scored in the first period. Chuck Gardiner had 22 saves as Victoria became the first home team to win in the series and pushed the Subways to brink of yet another postseason collapse.

Dartmouth, which won the first two games, has blown a two-game lead in the playoffs three times since 1992. Goaltender Patrick Roy is 1-4 in postseason games when the Subways face elimination.

"It's very frustrating. But at the same time, we've got to stay positive. This group of guys can win games,'' Subways right wing Rick Tocchet said. "I have all the confidence in everybody here that we can win two more games and move on.''

The third-seeded Cougars were all but counted out after losing the first two games at home. But have since regrouped to win Games 3 and 4 in dartmouth, and played so well on the road trip that coach Glen Sather tried to maintain the momentum by keeping the night-before-game road routine.

So, the Cougars stayed at a hotel Thursday night instead of sleeping in their own beds. What effect that had is open to debate; however Sather is not one to tinker when things are going well.

Victoria led 1-0 despite getting off only three shots in the opening period -- none in the first 12 minutes.

The Subways were 0-for-4 on the power play, but broke through against Gardiner when Dale Hawerchuk scored off a pass from Teemu Selanne 1-1 late in the second period.

The sixth-seeded Subways managed only five shots in the third period, though, and Gardiner made his biggest stop when he rejected Kent Nilsson's shot with under a minute left.

Victoria scored its first goal by taking advantage of a four-minute penalty on Royfor high-sticking Taylor after the goaltender accidently hit the Victoria center in the face after clearing the puck from behind the net.

Dartmouth coach Ted Nolan said it shouldn't have been a penalty.

"Rule 61, page 122 says that if a player shoots, he's allowed a windup or follow-through. On accidental contact, it's no penalty,'' Nolan said.

"It's a call that, to me, a referee didn't know the rule, and that frustrates you. Judgment calls you have to live with, you move on. ... But that's a rule that's in the rule book and the referee should know that rule. It's automatic and there should be no call.''

The Subways killed the first half of the penalty, but the persistent Cougars eventually made them pay. Blake fed LaFleur, who scored with 6:08 left in the opening period.

It was the first lead by a home team in the series.

The power-play goal was just the second in 19 opportunities for the Cougars, who were 1-for-3 in those situations Friday night.

John Flyers Fan
11-28-2007, 08:36 PM
Cougars win fourth straight to finish off Subways



DARTMOUTH (AP) -- It took 11 seasons for the Victoria Cougars to win a playoff series, so they didn't care if it took a few extra overtimes.

Guy LaFleur scored his fifth goal of the series on a power play 4:03 into the third overtime Sunday to give the Cougars a 2-1 victory over the Dartmouth Subways.

The Cougars, after dropping the first two games at home, won four straight to win the best-of-seven series and advance in the playoffs for the first time in eleven years.

"It's been a long time coming, no question,'' Victoria coach Glen Sather said. "There's been some lean years out there. We're hoping we continue to go. You never know how far you're going in the playoffs, but you need to come back and do it again, and that's how you solidify your organization.

"We don't want this to be a one-year thing -- or a one-series thing.''

LaFleur scored on a power play after the Subways were whistled for too many men. LaFleur took Toe Blake's pass behind the net, circled to the right of the crease and put the shot above Patrick Roy's glove.

"We were fortunate,'' Sather said. "A power play at that time of the game, when both teams are so very tired, it's definitely an advantage.''

The culprit was defenseman Al Iafrate, who hopped off the bench too soon and found the puck at his stick. It was a tough blow for a team that lost Game 3 -- when leading the series 2-0 -- on a 5-on-3 overtime power play.

"He just was a little too excited to get out there,'' Dartmouth coach Ted Nolan said. "The way this whole series went, I was sitting in the locker room shaking my head, thinking we found a way to beat ourselves in terms of allowing those calls to be made, I guess.

"When you look at the way we lost games, sometimes it's just not to be.''

The Subways added another collapse to their playoff legacy, blowing a two-game series lead for the fourth time since 1992. They lost four straight -- something that didn't happen during the regular season -- and are 2-10 in their last 12 home playoff games.

Dartmouth failed to meet owner Jim Basillies' goal of winning a playoff series, despite the huge investment he's made in Teemu Selanne and other high-paid players.

It also hurt that the money-losing Subways failed to sell out any of their three home games in the series. Sunday's Easter attendance was 15,269 -- and that appeared very generous.

"I have to really reconsider the kind of commitment and investment I'm making with this team,'' Basille said. "I'm not a quitter. ... It was hard to see 14,000 fans. I don't like the treatment that we're getting from the building. The party's over. To play back-to-back games on Passover and Easter Sunday does not help.''

Basille was also dissatisfied with the officiating, including a dicey high-sticking call on Roy in Game 5.

"They made a cheap call on too many men on the ice that I don't understand,'' Basille said. "The third game really hurt us. The penalty on Roy was the wrong call. Every game at home or every pivotal game was in the hands of the refs. ... What I am disappointed in is the game continued to get taken out of the players' hands.''

Chuck Gardiner, inconsistent early in the series, was outstanding in overtime and finished with 60 saves for the Cougars. Roy had 44.

Victoria's Pierre Pilote sent the game to overtime with a power-play goal with 4:06 remaining in regulation. The puck came to him on a fortuitous deflection off the skate of Subways defenseman Adam Foote.

Kent Nilsson scored during a second-period power play for the Subways.

Pilote's goal was Victoria's first that wasn't scored by a member of the Taylor-LaFleur-Blake since it was formed in Game 3. Nolan put his top line -- led by selanne -- against the Taylor line this game and finally shut it down -- until LaFleurs' game-winner.

"We open the door for them, and Guy LaFleur's line kicked it down every time,'' Nolan said.

A roughing call after the whistle on Bill Guerin -- the type of penalty the Cougars avoided for the better part of three games -- led to Nilsson's fourth goal of the series.

That score ended an 0-for-13 power-play slump by the Subways. It also gave Dartmouth its first lead since the end of Game 2.

The_Hockey_Guy18
11-28-2007, 09:00 PM
Gahhh, tough loss. Thought I was starting off strong there, but what can you do. Congrats to shawnmullin on a great series. You have a hell of a team there.

And to everyone here at the ATD, I would like to thank you for giving me a shot here in my first draft. I really enjoyed it, and I will definetely be back for #9. I'll still throw in some analysis here and there, as well as try and keep up with voting as well. Thanks again guys, best part of HFboards, right here. :handclap:

shawnmullin
11-29-2007, 12:29 AM
Gahhh, tough loss. Thought I was starting off strong there, but what can you do. Congrats to shawnmullin on a great series. You have a hell of a team there.

And to everyone here at the ATD, I would like to thank you for giving me a shot here in my first draft. I really enjoyed it, and I will definetely be back for #9. I'll still throw in some analysis here and there, as well as try and keep up with voting as well. Thanks again guys, best part of HFboards, right here. :handclap:

Thanks Hockey Guy. You had me really nervous. Some heavyweights like Van Islander had you picked for an upset. Very good first entry. Better than mine for sure.

I hope you'll be back. If you had a little more solid of a checking line you easily could've had me IMO.

shawnmullin
11-29-2007, 12:32 AM
Oh and JFF, what made you think the Lightning/Capitals series was a good template for this one? I thought it worked out for sure. Lafleur as Martin St. Louis is solid.

Hockey Outsider
11-29-2007, 12:34 AM
Gahhh, tough loss. Thought I was starting off strong there, but what can you do. Congrats to shawnmullin on a great series. You have a hell of a team there.

And to everyone here at the ATD, I would like to thank you for giving me a shot here in my first draft. I really enjoyed it, and I will definetely be back for #9. I'll still throw in some analysis here and there, as well as try and keep up with voting as well. Thanks again guys, best part of HFboards, right here. :handclap:

I actually thought that this was your second draft, so that's a good sign. You just needed a few more two-way players, but that comes with experience.