Atd#8 Minor League Draft - SIGN UP

VanIslander
12-23-2007, 02:42 AM
Atd#8 MINOR LEAGUE DRAFT

Sign-up Thread

ANY poster at HFBoards can join the minor league draft. This is the best way for a newbie to prove reliability in picking on time and skill in researching or knowing the history of the game.

NOTICE: The number of teams that make the playoffs will depend on the number that qualify for the postseason. To qualify, a team must meet this all-time draft roster condition: Have on the team at least ONE player from each of the following time periods:

1939 or earlier
1940-1965
1966-1979
1980-1989
1990-1999
2000 or later

The very first game ever played in a top pro league defines which time period for the required condition (so, an eighties player whose NHL or SEL rookie season started in 1979 would meet the 1966-79 time period requirement).

On another front, there will be an all-star team of 1LW, 1RW, 1C, 2D, 1G voted on after the regular season.

Deadline to join: Monday, January 7th, 2008.

The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards and a coach, with 3 additional picks to be used for whatever position(s) you want.

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed. Rounds 15/16 through 23/24 will be double picks per round.

The time limit will be 8 hours for the first two rounds, reduced to six hours therafter, and at some point will be further reduced to four hours (no later than the double picks). If you miss a time window don't panic, just make up the pick ASAP.

The last minor league draft - in the middle of the hot summer - took two months. This draft will take approximately six weeks. If the time commitment is too much then consider becoming a co-g.m. for this draft. As well, you can PM your preferred pick to me beforehand and be assured I won't ever be drafting your top pick for whatever round because my pre-draft prospect list is so darn long I can do without (even if with a grimace).

You must PM the next GM after your selection. And please post a notice to that effect on the draft thread to ensure a smooth flow to the draft.

Any player from any league or era are eligible as long as they were not drafted in the ATD#8 click here and use control-f to check (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=438493). As soon as a pick is posted, the next team's clock will begin even if an ineligible player is chosen: the pick will simply be made up as soon as possible.

Player selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future, though it's understood that as a minor league team there is a bit of projection involved, especially with players whose careers were cut short by injury.

Absolutely no dropping of players: once drafted they are drafted, but players could be traded if team needs change. At the end of the draft a team could pick up an undrafted UFA and simply discard a draft pick.

Draft order will be determined randomly and posted the day after the sign-up deadline.

VanIslander
12-23-2007, 02:42 AM
Draft Order:

1 Evil Speaker - Boston Cubs
2 cottonking & Nalyd Psycho - Edina Hornets
3 Transplanted Caper & vancityluongo - Vancouver Giants
4 MXD & Jungosi - Cincinnati Stingers
5 agent dale cooper - Phoenix Roadrunners
6 6hole & Sakicfan - Moose Jaw Minutemen
7 BM67 - Renfrew Creamery Kings
8 shawnmullin & papershoes - Nelson Leafs
9 VanIslander - McGill Redmen
10 seventieslord - Dysart Fighting Kugels
11 pitseleh & The_Hockey_Guy18 - New York Americans
12 chaosrevolver & NateTheGreat- Belleville Bulls
13 Spitfire11 - Windsor Spitfires
14 raleh & God Bless Canada - Moose Jaw Millers

Sign-up period of two weeks (14 days) has now passed (for newbies, sorry) but if any veteran ATD g.m. wishes to join at the last moment then BM67 and I can team up again as planned (we will each go with our own teams to round the number to an even 14 teams) and you can take the 9th draft spot.

The minor league draft will start next Monday by which time the main all-time draft should be done. GET YOUR VOTES IN TO BM67 if you haven't yet for the Milt Dunnell cup championship series.

Jungosi
12-23-2007, 03:30 AM
I will participate as the Cincinnati Stingers.

http://www.stingershistory.com/Photos/StingersLogo.jpg

VanIslander
12-23-2007, 03:38 AM
I'll manage the team with a 130-year legacy of ice hockey
http://www.logoserver.com/college/McgillRedmen.GIF
McGill Redmen

Evil Speaker
12-23-2007, 05:00 AM
Sign me up as the Boston Cubs

Transplanted Caper
12-23-2007, 07:49 AM
If anyone would like an assistant GM fire me off a PM. I'd put in my own entry, but am movign into a new apartment and might not have continuous acccess outside to the cyberweb other than at the office.

God Bless Canada
12-23-2007, 11:43 AM
raleh and I will be co-GMs again. Team name TBA.

A couple of suggestions:

1) Cap this at 12 teams. I think this thing works best at 10-12 teams. If the newbies want to sign up, they can do it in a co-GM situation. If we're doing 16-20 teams, after a 28-team main draft, the talent will become very thin, and everything won't be done in six weeks.

2) Eliminate the call-up team. I don't see the point in it, and if we're going to have non-playoff team, it could make the difference between a team making the playoffs, and not making the playoffs. The call-up thing really punishes teams that pick early, or find that diamond in the rough later in the draft. Murphy and I viewed it as a punishment, not a reward, that Joe Watson was one of the call-ups, and the drop-off from Watson to Bouwmeester and Souray was enormous.

Good to see the double picks return (that was a great idea, as it sped up the process) as well as a very stringent time limit.

The last minor league draft itself took about four weeks. We then needed time for the regular season and playoff voting.

MXD
12-23-2007, 12:47 PM
FloodOfSpartans wanted to join. If he decides to do so, I'll join as his co-GM.

If he refuses, then, I'll co-gm with a ROOKIE Gm.

raleh
12-23-2007, 01:19 PM
I'll manage the team with a 130-year legacy of ice hockey
http://www.logoserver.com/college/McgillRedmen.GIF
McGill Redmen

Nice. My Grandfather backstopped the redmen for 3 or 4 years in the early '50's. He used to stay on the ice for the Canadiens practice immediately following theirs. Dick Irvin Jr. was on the team with him, and his father used to punish Habs players by having them do double practices with the Redmen and then Canadiens. I guess one time Doug Harvey was on the ice with the Redmen and just wired a shot at my grandfather's head. He asked him why he did that and Harvey said "I don't want to be here so I'm trying to get kicked off the ice". He tells that story all the time. Doesn't stop him from saying that Harvey is the best player he ever saw. He still says he controlled the pace of the game better than Orr did. Not sure I believe him on that last bit though...

pitseleh
12-23-2007, 01:25 PM
I'm in as the New York Americans.

I'm in favour of having fewer teams as well - it makes things go quicker. I'd be willing to take on a co-GM to facilitate it if necessary.

vancityluongo
12-23-2007, 01:44 PM
I'm in. I've sent TC a PM, so if he takes me, we'll name our team, otherwise I'll put in a reserve for the Giants of Vancouver.

6hole
12-23-2007, 02:07 PM
I'll join as Moose Jaw Minutemen or i'll co gm with someone since i'm new.

Transplanted Caper
12-23-2007, 03:18 PM
I'm in. I've sent TC a PM, so if he takes me, we'll name our team, otherwise I'll put in a reserve for the Giants of Vancouver.

I'm in as the co-GM and am fine with whatever name is chosen. So the Giants sounds good too me.

vancityluongo
12-23-2007, 03:27 PM
I'm in as the co-GM and am fine with whatever name is chosen. So the Giants sounds good too me.

All righty, sounds cool.

VanIslander
12-23-2007, 03:55 PM
Cap this at 12 teams. I think this thing works best at 10-12 teams. If the newbies want to sign up, they can do it in a co-GM situation.
Yes and no.

EVERYBODY who wants to can join and there will be no bias against newbies in the minor league draft. If so many g.m.s join then a cap would affect everybody equally: every team could go co-g.m., the newbies won't be singled out.

(The watered-down talent argument against having more teams isn't so weighty as this IS the minor league! I would personally like to see a full 28-team minor league. But it would be faster to have less teams, granted, and thus less is better, but no one will be turned away.)

Eliminate the call-up team.
We can axe it but it was a realistic and interesting twist, no? That is what happens to a minor league team! If they have a great performer he is called up.

Agreed it does penalize a great pick but only on regular season standings as you get the player back for the playoffs and everybody else gets to see how great he is by making the call-up list.

How do other g.m.s feel about that: axe the call-up players?

raleh
12-23-2007, 04:01 PM
Yes and no.

EVERYBODY who wants to can join and there will be no bias against newbies in the minor league draft. If so many g.m.s join then a cap would affect everybody equally: every team could go co-g.m., the newbies won't be singled out.

(The watered-down talent argument against having more teams isn't so weighty as this IS the minor league! I would personally like to see a full 28-team minor league. But it would be faster to have less teams, granted, and thus less is better, but no one will be turned away.)


We can axe it but it was a realistic and interesting twist, no? That is what happens to a minor league team! If they have a great performer he is called up.

Agreed it does penalize a great pick but only on regular season standings as you get the player back for the playoffs and everybody else gets to see how great he is by making the call-up list.

How do other g.m.s feel about that: axe the call-up players?

I'll stand behind my co-gm on this one...axe 'em!

Arrbez and I lost Tumba last time around and that was no fun.

VanIslander
12-23-2007, 04:03 PM
I'll stand behind my co-gm on this one...axe 'em!

Arrbez and I lost Tumba last time around and that was no fun.
No fun? That settles it: it's gone.

raleh
12-23-2007, 04:12 PM
No fun? That settles it: it's gone.

Well, I don't want to be the guy who ruined it for everyone else. Wait and see what the other GMs think.

That's too much pressure, in my best Tweak voice. I hope there are other South Park fans out there...

Spitfire11
12-23-2007, 04:56 PM
What the heck, sign-up the Windsor Spitfires :)

VanIslander
12-23-2007, 04:58 PM
What the heck, sign-up the Windsor Spitfires :)
Great to have you back. :handclap:

MXD
12-23-2007, 05:29 PM
Player selection should be based on what they have done, and not what they will do in the future, though it's understood that as a minor league team there is a bit of projection involved, especially with players whose careers were cut short by injury.



As long as it doesn't involves any "Jonathan Toews is a future 1200 pt scorer" kind of argument...

God Bless Canada
12-23-2007, 05:43 PM
raleh and I will be competing under the name Moose Jaw Millers. My grandma watched Halifax RCAF star Doug Bentley play with the Millers when she was young.

Welcome back to Spit and TC. Especially Spit. Always good to have the draft originals involved.

VanI, I wouldn't have a problem with the call-ups if every team made the playoffs. But with non-playoff teams in this draft, it can cost a team a shot at the playoffs. The drop-off from Joe Watson to Bouwmeester and Souray is enormous. Watson was likely the best defenceman available in the last draft; Bouwmeester has yet to really prove himself beyond the international level.

If every team is going to make the playoffs, then keep the call-up. If not, drop the call-up system.

pappyline
12-23-2007, 05:58 PM
I am going to sit out this one. Wouldn't mind helping someone as long as they don't expect me to play too active a role. Would maybe be able to answer questions on players in late 50's thru the 70's.

Leaf Lander
12-23-2007, 05:59 PM
Ill pass thanks for the invite 2 all time drafts a yr is enough for me.

pitseleh
12-23-2007, 06:11 PM
Ill pass thanks for the invite 2 all time drafts a yr is enough for me.

This one doesn't start until next year though. :)

ck26
12-23-2007, 06:13 PM
I'm in with the 9-time Minnesota state highschool champs, the Edina Hornets.

http://www.ci.edina.mn.us/images/Healthy%20Hornet.gif

I wouldn't mind stretching to 16-20+ teams, because drafting players for the first time ever is some of the fun of the minor league draft. Having more teams will take longer, but 6-hour caps will minimize the impact, and it will reduce the likelihood of missed picks (ie: you only need to log on once every 2 days instead of everyday).

Rick Middleton
12-23-2007, 06:33 PM
As much as I'd like to join up, January is the busiest time of the year for my office, so I won't have the time to participate in this draft.

chaosrevolver
12-23-2007, 07:07 PM
Sign me up for the Belleville Bulls.

http://www.logoserver.com/hockey/BellevilleBulls01.GIF

Nalyd Psycho
12-23-2007, 09:16 PM
I'm torn, on the one hand, I love the ATD, on the other hand, I'm not sure how deep my knowledge runs.

seventieslord
12-23-2007, 09:30 PM
With Christmas season over by the time this thing starts, I am so in!

I'll be the..... Dysart Fighting Kugels.

raleh
12-23-2007, 09:32 PM
I'm torn, on the one hand, I love the ATD, on the other hand, I'm not sure how deep my knowledge runs.

Nalyd, I'd say you're more than qualified for a MLD.

VanIslander
12-23-2007, 09:35 PM
Research!

I've learned more about the history of hockey researching for the minor league draft than for the main draft, by a fair margin.

Having a co-g.m. really helps in this regard.

The_Hockey_Guy18
12-24-2007, 07:16 AM
I'm in guys. I'm interested in having a co-GM as well, so anyone interested, fire me a PM.

MXD
12-24-2007, 08:22 AM
With Christmas season over by the time this thing starts, I am so in!

I'll be the..... Dysart Fighting Kugels.

.... The Fighting Kugels...?!?!

ck26
12-24-2007, 08:31 AM
.... The Fighting Kugels...?!?!My thoughts exactly. A Kugel is a type of casserrole, right?

Nalyd Psycho
12-24-2007, 02:22 PM
This is a Fighting Kugel

rlbL5E0BInc

MXD
12-24-2007, 02:48 PM
My thoughts exactly. A Kugel is a type of casserrole, right?

Haaahaaa!! I was sure that he was referring to Jeff Kugel. That's a weird team name, though.

On the other hand, a "casserolle", in french, has a synonym : "chaudron". ... And a "chaudron" is something of a slang word to describe a bad hockey player.

The_Hockey_Guy18
12-24-2007, 04:10 PM
Me and pitseleh are going to co-GM for this one. Write me down with him and the New York Americans.

God Bless Canada
12-24-2007, 04:29 PM
THG just won HF Board's equivalent to the lottery. He gets to work with pitseleh. Working with pit on an all-time draft (or minor league draft) is like working on a high school science project with that science whiz who had tape on his classes and enough acne for the entire class.

We're at 12 teams now. This is the optimum number. Do we want to cap it, and encourage everyone else to seek out a co-GM?

The_Hockey_Guy18
12-24-2007, 05:56 PM
LOL, I love the analogy. But it's true, pitseleh seems to know his stuff when it comes to hockey history. It really is going to be a treat to work with him.

God Bless Canada
12-24-2007, 06:35 PM
LOL, I love the analogy. But it's true, pitseleh seems to know his stuff when it comes to hockey history. It really is going to be a treat to work with him.
Trust me. I would know. I was the kid who was partnered with a science whiz. Best science mark I ever got in my life.

vancityluongo
12-24-2007, 06:52 PM
Trust me. I would know. I was the kid who was partnered with a science whiz. Best science mark I ever got in my life.

Nice. :D

Oh yeah, and I agree, we should only have 12 teams, although I could easily live with 16.

Transplanted Caper
12-24-2007, 08:04 PM
Nice. :D

Oh yeah, and I agree, we should only have 12 teams, although I could easily live with 16.

Would prefer 12 as well. I think the expansion of the main draft, which has been great IMO, has really put a limit on what can reasonably be expected of the Minor League Draft. I'll partake regardless of how many teams are involved and intend on getting elbow deep into hockey history books, but for the sake of teams involved, it's better to have this draft capped at a dozen IMO.

chaosrevolver
12-24-2007, 08:13 PM
Are we allowed having co-gm's? Cause if so, I have someone in mind for myself.

God Bless Canada
12-24-2007, 08:28 PM
Are we allowed having co-gm's? Cause if so, I have someone in mind for myself.
Absolutely. I have a co-GM. In fact, I'll probably have a co-GM for a long time to come.

I May Be Wrong
12-24-2007, 08:59 PM
Hi, I will be Chaosrevolver's Co GM

thanks :D

chaosrevolver
12-24-2007, 09:02 PM
That is confirmed.

VanIslander
12-24-2007, 11:23 PM
rumour: VanIslander is teaming as co-g.m. with... BM67 :yo:

seventieslord
12-25-2007, 02:11 AM
To answer the question, yes, "The Fighting Kugels" is a reference to Jeff Kugel, 1998's top junior goon. I figured since it's the Minor League Draft, I'd need a bush league-sounding name.

Nalyd Psycho
12-25-2007, 03:09 AM
And speaking of Co-GMs, I'll be hooking up with Cottonking.

ck26
12-25-2007, 08:05 AM
And speaking of Co-GMs, I'll be hooking up with Cottonking.I've been reading up on successful partnerships so I think I've got a good understanding on how this should work. I'll be William Anderson Hatfield ...

chaosrevolver
12-25-2007, 11:36 AM
Just so you know, I will be gone from the 29th-2nd or 3rd so that will be the reason why I might not be posting in here very often.

BM67
12-25-2007, 07:56 PM
I guess I'm in with VanIslander, and we will be the Oxford Blues.

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ouihc/images/logo.gif

ck26
12-25-2007, 08:20 PM
I guess I'm in with VanIslander, and we will be the Oxford Shoes.

http://kennethcole.com/img/prod/KC_KM25733_blk_det.jpg

Fixed ...

raleh
12-26-2007, 01:10 AM
Fixed ...

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh: not sure if it's the heavy Christmas drinking or what, but I just got a great laugh out of that post!

Sargent Pepper*
12-26-2007, 08:35 AM
I will read the material and figure out what to do.

JJ

LAX attack*
12-26-2007, 06:57 PM
sorry... im gonna be way to busy to participate in this draft... sorry

Jungosi
12-27-2007, 02:12 AM
Announcement : MXD and I will co.gm for this Draft.

Diving Pokecheck*
12-27-2007, 01:27 PM
http://www.arizonarubber.com/img/logos/PhoenixRoadrunners.jpg

6hole
12-27-2007, 02:13 PM
hey if anyone wants to CO-GM with me i would appreciate it. i am farely new to this and seems like fun. just assign me someone or someone can just speak out no problem at all.

pitseleh
12-27-2007, 03:18 PM
Heh, thanks for the kind words GBC. I was probably that kid in science class too (well, minus the acne).

MXD
12-27-2007, 03:19 PM
I was the kid outside the class... :)

Sakicfan
12-27-2007, 05:31 PM
Interested Newbie here. :)

I carefully follow the ATD #8 and I must say that it is really interesting (By the way, Congrats to both finalists, Hockey Outsider and Pitseleh). I'm a big fan of History of Hockey. I am passionated and ready to do the research to find players.

So, if someone wants to take a newbie under his wing and needs a co-GM, PM me. :)

VanIslander
12-27-2007, 05:45 PM
6hole & Sakicfan would make a natural newbie co-g.m. team. Talk to each other and see if you can agree on a team name to make it official.

God Bless Canada
12-27-2007, 06:07 PM
I can vouch for sakicfan's draft presence. After jungosi, he was probably around more than any other poster for a non-GM.

We have 12 teams. Is this going to be the roster for the minor league draft? What's the deadline to request an entry?

VanIslander
12-27-2007, 06:09 PM
What's the deadline to request an entry?
January 7th, 2008.

The sign-up period started the day before Christmas Eve and many guys might be so swamped with shopping then the holiday and/or travel or family time that they might not see the thread until after the holidays, the first week of January. I PM'd all past g.m.s of the all-time draft and there's a 2-week sign-up period to allow them and others the opportunity to join.

shawnmullin
12-27-2007, 11:36 PM
I've been home for the holidays and completely pre-occupied with seeing people I havn't seen for 2 years.

As such I havn't been online to check this out.

I'd love to participate with a Co-GM but I have no one in mind. If anyone wants to I'm game.

papershoes
12-28-2007, 03:28 PM
i'm an interested atd rookie and would love to take part in the atd #8 minor league draft.
i'm a passionate hockey fan and, have been looking for an outlet to immerse myself in hockey history.

VanIslander
12-28-2007, 04:19 PM
i'm an interested atd rookie and would love to take part in the atd #8 minor league draft.
i'm a passionate hockey fan and, have been looking for an outlet to immerse myself in hockey history.
This is your first post at HFBoards? :amazed: dang, a newbie's newbie.... let's get you a co-g.m.

shawnmullin
12-28-2007, 05:45 PM
Papershoes can work with me if he'd like

VanIslander
12-28-2007, 05:47 PM
Papershoes can work with me if he'd like
great. contact him and agree on a team name

RocheBag
12-29-2007, 11:24 PM
Thanks for the invite, but I don't quite know enough about the history of the game to take part. I'll just continue being a spectator for now. :)

VanIslander
01-07-2008, 03:42 AM
today is the last day to sign up !

Transplanted Caper
01-07-2008, 07:54 AM
Looking forward to this starting up:)

Diving Pokecheck*
01-07-2008, 04:47 PM
I shall take on a co-gm if needed.

VanIslander
01-07-2008, 05:05 PM
well, the sign up period is now over

see draft thread