Rumor Mill...

I'm a Toronto fan. Plain and simple. Just wanted you guys to know that there is a juicy rumor coming out of toronto that Washington and Ottawa may be deep into a trade. To Ottawa, Bondra. To Washington, one of your lesser played d-men. Apparently a salary dump on the Washington side. Alos apparently they have discussed and traded medical info already, which is usually a sign that a deal is really close.

Good luck to you all.

SkuMM

I wouldn't bet on that trade getting done...it doesn't really address what our team needs up front...but it sure would be interesting.

I thought Muckler would be more interested in acquiring a gritty left winger and another 4/5/6/ defenseman - who is the first callup from Bingo right now?

Interesting...that would be a shock for the Sens to get Bondra.

Salary dump or not, the Caps have to be asking for more than a depth player. Plus, his defensive play would be a big factor. In the last 6 years he has been a plus only twice - not a JM kind of player. Scoring is not Ottawa's problem though - they're 2nd in the league in offense. They would be looking more for grit and toughness instead of finesse.

But supposing that this deal goes through the way you've described it, it's a great move for Ottawa if they have to give up very little.

Schaeffer White Alf
Bondra Bonk Hossa
Smoke Spezz Havlat

That is the top three lined attack in the league. And it wouldnt even be close

But really, does anyone think that Hnidy is going to bring back Bondra? Hnidy and Schastlivy??? I dont think they are in that big of a rush to dump players

I have a sneaking suspicion that it's bondra and gonchar that will end up here.

You read it hear first! ;)

i was thinking the same thing actually, but if we got gonchar, you can count on Rachunek going the other way for sure
i could live with that though ;)

I have a sneaking suspicion that it's bondra and gonchar that will end up here.

You read it hear first! ;)
that would be nice......and realistic too!!!!

To be perfectly honest I wouldn't be the least but surprised if this was just a attempt by Bill Watters to create a little bit of havoc around Ottawa and the Sens players to distract them the same way that the Lindros situation hampered the Leafs in past. Watters as he would come out and tell you is a huge Leafs fan and not the biggest Sen fan it the world and certainly wouldn't mind seeing them fail. Does it sound kind of pathetic? Sure but Watters is kind of pathetic in himself. :dunno:

if it wasnt for all the rumours about washington looking to deal everything, than your argument might hold some water. Fact is, Watters is now a full time voice of sports, and i dont think he is conspiring against teams

if it wasnt for all the rumours about washington looking to deal everything, than your argument might hold some water. Fact is, Watters is now a full time voice of sports, and i dont think he is conspiring against teams

With all due respect, you've never listened to Leafs lunch before have you? Believe me Bill Watters still thinks he's part of the Leafs orginization and he's far from the smartest or connected hockey mind out there. For instace you can look at his comments from the recent week such as "Jeff O'Neil will be traded within the next 48 hours" which was a bust or the one from today which almost made fall out of my chair it was so out there "I would take Wade Belak over Georges Larques anyday". If you'll notice the first one didn't happen the the second one would stupdify anyone in the hockey world.

Bill Waters is reporting that it's Vermette & Pothier for Bondra.

If this is true...I'm leading a lynch mob that's going to be hunting out Muckler...

Why on earth would the Sens move Vermette, who's our #1 LW prospect, and played VERY well so far this season, for a player who is obviously a rental.

Makes 0 sense as far as I'm concerned, and would be a very bad idea.

Bill Waters is reporting that it's Vermette & Pothier for Bondra.

If this is true...I'm leading a lynch mob that's going to be hunting out Muckler...

Why on earth would the Sens move Vermette, who's our #1 LW prospect, and played VERY well so far this season, for a player who is obviously a rental.

Makes 0 sense as far as I'm concerned, and would be a very bad idea.

I'd give that up for O'Neill, but not for Bondra.

I'd give that up for O'Neill, but not for Bondra.
Agree if we give up Vermette it better be for someone who can take the sting away for a few years, not just one. I suspect Muck knows this and Vermette will be a sen for life.

BTW, if it is hnidy for bondra it has to go down as one of the biggest fleecings of all-time, personally I'd put it at #1. Not because of Bondra but because Shane is a #5 d'man at best.

I'd give that up for O'Neill, but not for Bondra.

You expect to land O'Neill with that crap?If he comes to toronto we will probably have to deal kaberle for him and you expect a fringe prospect and a 7th defenseman to do it :dunno:

Agree if we give up Vermette it better be for someone who can take the sting away for a few years, not just one. I suspect Muck knows this and Vermette will be a sen for life.

BTW, if it is hnidy for bondra it has to go down as one of the biggest fleecings of all-time, personally I'd put it at #1. Not because of Bondra but because Shane is a #5 d'man at best.

Damn is vermette that good sounds like the second coming of gretzky :joker:

You expect to land O'Neill with that crap?If he comes to toronto we will probably have to deal kaberle for him and you expect a fringe prospect and a 7th defenseman to do it :dunno:

Vermette is anything but a fringe prospect.

Jagr's not in the Caps lineup tonight. I wonder why? ;)

Tomorrow's Sun "Deal could be in the works for the Caps to trade Jagr" :p

Vermette is anything but a fringe prospect.

Maybe so but he isn't an elite one he would be up their with matt stajan on the leafs i'll give him that but he ain't no spezza or even a colaiacovo type prospect

Maybe so but he isn't an elite one he would be up their with matt stajan on the leafs i'll give him that but he ain't no spezza or even a colaiacovo type prospect

I was not saying he was an "elite" level prospect, I think the main point you are missing is that he is a LW, which is our weakness. So as far as dealing him it makes no sense, we have not had a good young LWer for years. Now that we have one it would not make much sense to deal him, especially for a 36 year old rent-a-player. Alot of people don't understand how important he is to this team because they don't watch sens games enough, he is a key part to the PK unit which has been less effective as of late (coincidentally since Vermette as been out). I think you could go as far as to say he could be Simon Gagne, IMO.

BTW, I don't need to hear that Vermette is being overhyped from a leaf fan. Because as we all know for the last 2 years all we've heard about is Coliacavo like he was the 2nd coming of Bobby Orr.

BTW, I don't need to hear that Vermette is being overhyped from a leaf fan. Because as we all know for the last 2 years all we've heard about is Coliacavo like he was the 2nd coming of Bobby Orr.

Their view on Antropov was even worse..thinking he would become a premier first line center... :joker:

Their view on Antropov was even worse..thinking he would become a premier first line center... :joker:

Without his injuries he might have been a first liner a premier one i don't know about that and how can he be a first liner on such a stacked team at center I mean we have Sundin can't move him out of the first line,Niewy is first/second line center and reichel would be getting paid three million to be a fourth liner not gonna happen.He kinda reminds me of Havlat because Havlat on a team with less depth would be a first liner let's say in pittsburgh or carolina even .Would the Sens not want Antropov if they could get him for barely nothing I mean the dude is huge and if it wasn't for his injuries he could really develop into a very good player he has the tools

BTW, I don't need to hear that Vermette is being overhyped from a leaf fan. Because as we all know for the last 2 years all we've heard about is Coliacavo like he was the 2nd coming of Bobby Orr.

Bobby Orr?Their will never be another Bobby Orr not in this clutch and grab game.
As for Colo being overhyped ya maybe he is overhyped by leaf fans but he's the best defense prospect we have had in years so could us a liitle slack.I believe Colo will be a top 4 guy maybe top two but he would really have to adapt to reach that level

Vermette and Pothier translates to Stajan and Jackman.

Not sure that Rutherford would move Jeff O'Neill for a Stajan/Vermette and Pothier/Jackman package.

Vermette and Pothier translates to Stajan and Jackman.

Not sure that Rutherford would move Jeff O'Neill for a Stajan/Vermette and Pothier/Jackman package.
If you kick in a 1st or 2nd pick its not as bad. Look at what Nolan went for last year!

Boyes = Vermette and Stajan
McCauley > Pothier and Jackman
1st Rounder (2003) > 1st Rounder (2004)

The pick in the 2003 pick is a bit more valuable then a 1st in this years pick.

Boyes = Vermette and Stajan
McCauley > Pothier and Jackman
1st Rounder (2003) > 1st Rounder (2004)

The pick in the 2003 pick is a bit more valuable then a 1st in this years pick.

Boyes, as a 21 year old, is STILL in the AHL. Vermette has cracked the Ottawa lineup at the same age, and is worth more. Nolan was also NOT a rental player, but was in fact a more long term acquisition by the Leafs, who still, IMHO, gave up too much for him.

We shall see what needs to be given up to get him soon enough, but more teams need defensemen than wingers, which puts Ottawa in a much better spot than Toronto (especially since we don't even really need a winger).

San Jose's bringing Brad Boyes along nicely.

He spent 4 years in the OHL, and it looks like he's going to spend 2 full seasons in the American Hockey League. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

IMO, I think that both Vermette and Stajan are better players then Boyes, but the fact that he's 21 (soon to be 22) and still in the AHL doesn't make him any worse then the two... it's just that Antoine and Matty have accomplished more.

Boyes = Vermette and Stajan
McCauley > Pothier and Jackman
1st Rounder (2003) > 1st Rounder (2004)

The pick in the 2003 pick is a bit more valuable then a 1st in this years pick.

We could argue about some of the valuations, but for the sake of arguements lets stick with yours.

My next question is who is more valuable? Owen Nolan or Jeff O'Neill? Both bring nice intangiables to the ice, but what are there real values.

At the time of the Nolan trade some of the factors that hurt Nolan's value was his durability (having had quite a number of problems with his back), he was having a so-so year by his standards - but a still pretty good 42 points in 61 games and his team was struggling, there were also a number of questions about who was available to .

Nolan brings a lot of experience, and while he's not a young man he's chalked up all star appearances and olympic gold.

With O'Neill, you've got a guy who has only really had one good playoffs (although only two shots at it), he's having a crap year offensively, his team is playing like crap too. However, his salary makes him more accessible to more teams than Nolan's salary.

It might not be enough, but at the same time I don't think it is really that far off. Remember that McCaulley was having a crap year as well (good on him for rebounding this year).

If Nolan (w/Sharks) and O'Neill were available this year, Jeff O'Neill would fetch more in a trade. With Roberts' injuries last season, I think the Leafs were on a search for a powerforward and Nolan was the only big name powerforward available.

If Nolan (w/Sharks) and O'Neill were available this year, Jeff O'Neill would fetch more in a trade. With Roberts' injuries last season, I think the Leafs were on a search for a powerforward and Nolan was the only big name powerforward available.

I think the new Leafs owner told Quinn to make a "big trade" that Quinn didn't want to make, which ended up being Nolan. That trade does not look like ANY other Pat Quinn trade, EVER, which makes the other change going on in the Leafs org (a new owner) a far more likely culprit for making that deal. That caused Quinn to overpay, because simply not making the trade wasn't an option.

The new owners had no say in any moves until July 1, 2003.

And Quinn didn't overpay. He moved a third line checker (McCauley), prospect with second line potential, and a late first round draft pick for one of the top powerforwards in hockey. Nolan's missed 2 games all season with an injury... the last 9 games have been because of that eye injury that would take out anyone.

With the improvements in player developement, that deal will not hurt the organization in the future. The Maple Leafs will be one of the top scouting teams in the near future and have a GM (John Ferguson Jr.) that has great potential.

We all know that Bondra is a fantastic offensive threat. The problem is that Ottawa has very little money to be spending on rentals, which will cost our depth in the upcoming years. The only way we'll know if its a good move, is if Ottawa wins the cup with Bondra. If not, we will have definately lost a great prospect for our team in the future. Sometimes these risks are worth it, sometimes they come back to haunt us. I think O-town would be hard to stop with Bondra in the lineup... especially with guys who can score on his line. Think of the possibilities!