MLD review

Diving Pokecheck*
02-03-2008, 05:20 PM
Here is a thread to review the draft, inspired by the thread in the main draft. Just give your opinions, people.

Who is the best value pick in the draft?

Who is the best strategic pick in the draft?

What is the best-assembled line in the draft?

Who is the most intriguing "sleeper" picked in the draft?

Who is a player discovered in the draft?

Who is the most over/underrated player picked?

Diving Pokecheck*
02-03-2008, 05:36 PM
1. Harry Hyland. He was a player that I was really looking to get.

2. Doug Barkley- a player that I had not heard of, and wish that I did.

3. I like the two old-time players on McGill's 1rst line.

4. Evgeny Nabakov fell alot farther than I think he should have. I was interested in picking him up as a backup goalie.

5. Udo Kiessling is a very good discovery.

6. I think that Pavol Demitra was picked too early. I would never pick him over Hobery Baker, Harry Mummery, etc.
Laurie Boschman I think is a good pick, and would be an excellent 3rd line forward in the draft.

pitseleh
02-03-2008, 05:46 PM
Who is the best value pick in the draft?

Johnny Mowers in the 6th round. The difference between him and the guys taken in the first round isn't indicative of the difference in value.

Getting Frank Boucher as late as he was taken is a steal too. Arguably the best coach in the draft, IMO.

Even though he was taken early, I'm surprised that Barney Stanley wasn't taken in the main draft.

Who is the best strategic pick in the draft?

Metro Prystai - he's the Dave Keon of the MLD, IMO. Great player to build a checking line around.

What is the best-assembled line in the draft?

Wensick-Boschman-Granato and Murdoch-Dahlstrom-Ezinicki are both going to be killer to have to play against.

As for scoring lines, I like the Alexandrov-Bowie-Russel and Stasiuk-Ronty-Denneny lines.

Who is the most intriguing "sleeper" picked in the draft?

Hy Buller - One of the, if not the, highest peak of any defenseman in the draft but has a remarkably short NHL career. He went out on top though.

Who is a player discovered in the draft?

VanIslander, Spitfire11 and MXD & Jungosi seemed to have several players I wasn't familiar with.

Who is the most over/underrated player picked?

Milan Hejduk is underrated as a goal scorer (maybe I'm just remembering years of him lighting up the Canucks though ;)).

Considering he took so many of my favourites, I feel as though half of Evil Speaker's team is underrated (Corbeau, Denneny, Ronty, Irvin, March).

papershoes
02-03-2008, 06:16 PM
Who is the best value pick in the draft?
Harry Hyland (32nd overall) was a great pick - a great goalscorer in the early years of hockey

Dave Balon (43rd overall) - probably one of the best, if not the best, left winger in the draft.

Johnny Mowers (84th overall) - phenomenal goalie pick for this late in the draft

Who is the best strategic pick in the draft?
Don Cherry – coach (155th overall) - a perfect pick for the Moose Jaw Millers team being assembled (i was ready to pick him that same round...blast!)

I also like how the Edina Hornets assembled an entire team of US born players - nice thematic structure.

What is the best-assembled line in the draft?
There are so many nice lines...
Moose Jaw Millers: Balon – Horvath – Balfour...this line can do it all.

Moose Jaw Miller: John Wensink-Laurie Boschman-Tony Granato...this will be one heck of a line to play against, Boschman is a fantastic pick

Phoenix Roadrunners: Shamrock Line...three hall-of-famers, and a great forward line turn of century

Who is the most intriguing "sleeper" picked in the draft?
Eddie Oatman (260th overall) - an awesome offensive player from the early era of hockey.

Who is a player discovered in the draft?
Tony Hand - prior to this draft i had never heard of him. The quotes from Sather and the ridiculous offensive statistics (tough competition or not) are quite intriguing.

Who is the most over/underrated player picked?
Overrated – Demitra (17th overall)...Demitra is a good player, and deserving of a spot in the MLD, but there was still a lot of talent on the board following the selection

Underrated – Don Lever (112 overall)...I had Lever pegged as a top defensive LW in this draft.
Laurie Boschman (183 overall)...size, toughness, and great scoring ability

VanIslander
02-03-2008, 06:19 PM
Evgeny Nabokov fell alot farther than I think he should have. I was interested in picking him up as a backup goalie.
I simply had assumed he went late in the main draft. :amazed: Being drafted so much later than Kiprusoff seems wrong to me, though I understand the Kipper has been to the NHL finals and World Cup 2004 finals. Still,.. as a Sharks fan I can't yet think of Nabbie as a lesser goalie: he did win the Calder and is a two-time all-star gamer. He could have started in the 2002 Olympics except for the fact that he played for Kazakhstan a while back so for years he couldn't represent Russia (which is all good as my Khabibulin started the '02 Olympics instead and was selected tourney-best goalie :D ).

5. Udo Kiessling is a very good discovery.
Absolutely. As soon as he was picked I had a memory flashback, vaguely remembering him! he was the star of the German team that beat the Americans. He has some all-star selections in international competition and if there is a German league player to select, their best ever defenseman is the one to pick: as the Germans have known how to play good defense, I'll give them that! Imagine the New Jersey Devils of the 90's minus any scorers or goaltending and you have the German national team. Still was good enough to be competitive.

chaosrevolver
02-03-2008, 09:26 PM
We will admit that we were not the most familiar team as we both were on vacation before hand and we never got to research which is probably why there were alot of questionable picks at the beginning. But we felt weve learned alot. I know I have, I saw Hobey Baker but I swore he was already picked and then the next guy picked him and I was like ohhh ****!

Oh well I had fun and I guess thats what matters.

Diving Pokecheck*
02-03-2008, 09:29 PM
It was fun. I really have no idea how my team will be ranked.

VanIslander
02-03-2008, 09:33 PM
It was fun. I really have no idea how my team will be ranked.
you'll find out wednesday morning :D

5 g.m.s have voted already, most of the rest are expected to PM their votes in Monday

papershoes
02-03-2008, 09:36 PM
Oh well I had fun and I guess thats what matters.

I agree.
My main goal was to delve a little deeper in hockey history...which is exactly what happened. It was great to discover players who, without the atd, i may not have (i.e. bowie, corbeau, mummery to name a few).

chaosrevolver
02-03-2008, 09:39 PM
I know mine will rank bad. But mine and Nates strategy was just to learn and try to have lines that complimented eachother. Our 3rd and 4th lines are dangerous. And that 3rd line is one of the best defensively in the league and will be counted on to shutting down other teams best lines.

chaosrevolver
02-03-2008, 09:40 PM
I agree.
My main goal was to delve a little deeper in hockey history...which is exactly what happened. It was great to discover players who, without the atd, i may not have (i.e. bowie, corbeau, mummery to name a few).Yeah I wanted to develop more too. Im really familiar with the Main Draft guys but not much with these which is why you saw picks like Demitra, Bertuzzi, etc. But hey, I just want an oppurtunity at the main. I could do some damage!;)

God Bless Canada
02-03-2008, 11:05 PM
Geez, a lot of you guys really like Laurie Boschman. I thought he was a good pick (obviously), but I thought we had better ones. (Owen, Balon, even Ray Getliffe). We actually took him earlier than he went in the last draft.

To answer the questions (note: all answers would be Miller players, but I won't count them)...

1. Who is the best value pick in the draft? "Wild Bill" Ezinicki. No-brainer for me. He was my top-rated checking line RW, and after Prystai, was probably the best checking line player available. Three-time Cup champ who loved to hurt people.

Runner-up: Charlie Burns. Prystai's the best defensive centre in the draft. He might be the most valuable forward in the draft, and with Chapman out, and since I can't vote for Horvath, I'll probably give Prystai my all-star centre vote. But Burns isn't far behind Metro for defensive ability. Burns shouldn't be 135 spots behind Prystai.

2. Who is the best strategic pick in the draft? I've never understood what this means, but I do like the Prystai pick. It seemed to be the one that ticked the most people off. Bengt-Ake Gustafson is a nice pick for the Giants as an assistant coach. I think he'll do well as the good cop. Love the Kilrea-Gustafson duo behind the bench.

I'll also echo the sentiment of ck and Nalyd's All-American Boys team. (Where's my Fabulous Rougeau Brothers audio clip?) There is room for sentimentality in this draft.

chaosrevolver and natethegreat got a great pick with Irbe. I think he's better than the guy they selected for their No. 1 role (Potvin).

3. What is the best-assembled line in the draft? I really like the Montreal Shamrocks' line that ADC re-united. Nelson's second line (Morrow-Gagner-Dahlen) will be one of the toughest to play in the draft. I think Boston has the best team in the draft, and their second line with Adams-Irvin-Stoughton will be very dangerous.

4. Who is the most intriguing "sleeper" picked in the draft? Too many to mention.

5. Who is a player discovered in the draft? See No. 4.

6. Who is the most over/underrated player picked? Demitra's been mentioned several times. I wouldn't say he's overrated. I think he's just a guy who went too soon by a rookie GM.

Overrated? Zetterberg. Shouldn't go that soon. Datsyuk. Shouldn't go that soon. Stephan Richer. Way too inconsistent to warrant an early selection. Excellent skill level. But some definite red flags.

Underrated? Lorne Carr. Maybe I'm being a bit of a homer, because I live about 30 minutes from his hometown of Stoughton, Sask., but I think the guy was pretty good. Good enough to be a scoring line winger in this draft, and an early pick.

Charlie Burns. This guy deserves to go in the ATD. Mike Ricci? Charlie Burns? Give me Charlie Burns.

Diving Pokecheck*
02-03-2008, 11:21 PM
I think that it was interesting how my team developed. My initial plan was to build a squad around who I thought was the best coach left- Babcock. The Zetterberg pick was a product of that strategy.
However, losing Datsyuk and Rafalski forced me to come up with a new idea. I really wanted to get RW Harry Hyland, but his pick forced me to draft someone else.
I looked at the members of the Hall of Fame who were not yet picked, and my eyes fell on the Shamrock Line. My new plan was to build the team around that line.
I had targeted Prystai, Galley (who we were scouting as a possible T-Birds pick), Berry, Deadmarsh, Lewis, and Buller since the beginning of the draft.
With Buller, as well as with the Shamrock wingers, I was kind of playing with fire, delaying their picks to the last possible moment that I thought that they would be still available. As they were not very well known, I decided to pick up more depth on the lower lines and pairings and trust that they would fall.

Hawkman
02-03-2008, 11:22 PM
I liked LW Slava Kozlov, C Metro Prystai, LW Johnny Wilson, and RW Joe Carveth. :)

Spitfire11
02-03-2008, 11:46 PM
Who is the best value pick in the draft? Lots of good ones, Apps in round 11 maybe

Who is a player discovered in the draft? Vic Stasiuk sticks out the most for me

Who is the most over/underrated player picked?

Everyone has a different way of rating having to consider eras/peaks/etc.

overrated - I'm not big on the amateur players
underrated - probably Dick Irvin, and most of the players on that Windsor roster:D
Actually I'll give this to Datsyuk, just an amazing player and I really don't believe any of these other players taken were ever as good as he is right now. IMO he's the best player in this draft.

Diving Pokecheck*
02-03-2008, 11:50 PM
overrated - I'm not big on the amateur players
I initially had this same thought.
However, I do not think you can use that against a truly great player, ie many said that Hobey Baker was the greatest athlete that they have ever seen.
Of course, no one here has ever watched him play, so we have to go by those at the time. I also think that a truly great amateur defenseman, say, is better then a pro who was a solid 2nd/3rd pairing.

Diving Pokecheck*
02-03-2008, 11:53 PM
Actually I'll give this to Datsyuk, just an amazing player and I really don't believe any of these other players taken were ever as good as he is right now. IMO he's the best player in this draft.
I was really looking to unite Zetterberg and Datsyuk. That would be 2/3 of a great 1rst line at this level, if you combined them with a gritty playoff performer.

Diving Pokecheck*
02-04-2008, 12:08 AM
it is interesting that draft order and ability often do not coincide. For example, if we were looking at an EA NHL-style "overall", Pavel Datsyuk would be rated as much higher than Jay Pandolfo. However, Datsyuk is in the MLD, whereas Pandolfo is in the ATD, because Pandolfo is more credible as an all-time 4th liner than Datsyuk is as an all-time 2nd liner.

Spitfire11
02-04-2008, 12:12 AM
I initially had this same thought.
However, I do not think you can use that against a truly great player

Yeah, I tend to still give them the benefit of the doubt when rating (have your team 2nd/3rd in the division...although I like that 2nd line more than the 1st:D)

ie many said that Hobey Baker was the greatest athlete that they have ever seen. Of course, no one here has ever watched him play, so we have to go by those at the time.

But then you have to consider who they were playing against and who else the people saying these things saw play. The Legends blurbs on lots of these players make them sound like Bobby Orrs. It's also near impossible to find any info on deficiencies these players had (and almost all players have them). For all you know maybe he cherry-picked more than Pavel Bure (not Baker obviously, just an example).

I also think that a truly great amateur defenseman, say, is better then a pro who was a solid 2nd/3rd pairing.

I'd probably agree with this in most cases.

pitseleh
02-04-2008, 02:18 AM
I'm just working on my rankings right now and I have to say I'm impressed by the efforts all the new guys put in. I wouldn't think they were first-timers by just looking at their teams.

seventieslord
02-04-2008, 10:17 AM
I liked LW Slava Kozlov, C Metro Prystai, LW Johnny Wilson, and RW Joe Carveth. :)

Can we let Johnny O vote?

Spitfire11
02-04-2008, 10:19 AM
it is interesting that draft order and ability often do not coincide. For example, if we were looking at an EA NHL-style "overall", Pavel Datsyuk would be rated as much higher than Jay Pandolfo. However, Datsyuk is in the MLD, whereas Pandolfo is in the ATD, because Pandolfo is more credible as an all-time 4th liner than Datsyuk is as an all-time 2nd liner.

Yep, it's the way of the draft. You'd think any GM at any point in history would rather have Datsyuk on their team over Pandolfo for whatever role. I've always thought that you make a team with the best players, not the best 1st line guys, 2nd line guys, 3rd line guys, etc. I mean, a line of 3 Datsyuks would completely destroy a line of 3 Pandolfos. Most of the all-time drafters see differently so I've changed how I draft as the drafts have gone by.

seventieslord
02-04-2008, 10:26 AM
Yep, it's the way of the draft. You'd think any GM at any point in history would rather have Datsyuk on their team over Pandolfo for whatever role. I've always thought that you make a team with the best players, not the best 1st line guys, 2nd line guys, 3rd line guys, etc. I mean, a line of 3 Datsyuks would completely destroy a line of 3 Pandolfos. Most of the all-time drafters see differently so I've changed how I draft as the drafts have gone by.

No, ADC had it a lot more accurately stated. It's not that Datsyuk isn't a better player. He is, and all the GM's know it. He's also entirely one-dimensional and doesn't have the regular season and playoff scoring credentials that the 180 top-6 forwards in the ATD have. Since he's not a guy you'd want on a 3rd or 4th line, he doesn't get drafted.

Heck, I understood this in my first draft and I loaded up my bottom six with guys who had a reasonable amount of scoring ability, but were also responsible and gritty players. Kind of like a "Team Canada"-type 3rd and 4th line. I had guys like Ryan Smyth, Jamie Langenbrunner, Scott Mellanby, and Mike Ricci. But, lack of a true shutdown line killed me, and I learned I had better have some guys whose main strength was defense this time around.

Spitfire11
02-04-2008, 11:17 AM
No, ADC had it a lot more accurately stated. It's not that Datsyuk isn't a better player. He is, and all the GM's know it. He's also entirely one-dimensional and doesn't have the regular season and playoff scoring credentials that the 180 top-6 forwards in the ATD have. Since he's not a guy you'd want on a 3rd or 4th line, he doesn't get drafted.

Heck, I understood this in my first draft and I loaded up my bottom six with guys who had a reasonable amount of scoring ability, but were also responsible and gritty players. Kind of like a "Team Canada"-type 3rd and 4th line. I had guys like Ryan Smyth, Jamie Langenbrunner, Scott Mellanby, and Mike Ricci. But, lack of a true shutdown line killed me, and I learned I had better have some guys whose main strength was defense this time around.

Catch a Wings game, he's one of the best 2-way forwards in the league. He doesn't lead the league in takeaways by cherry-picking and avoiding going into the corners. In the 2006 Olympics take a guess what forward was sent out to kill 5-on-3 penalties for Russia. He's been doing it since Babcock took over coaching Detroit, and to say he is one-dimensional is completely false.

The rest, I don't want to have to get into that debate again. I'd like to have more two-way players like Smyth or Langenbrunner on my 3rd/4th line over a pure defensive specialist like Erixon, but obviously I've given in.

seventieslord
02-04-2008, 12:15 PM
Catch a Wings game, he's one of the best 2-way forwards in the league. He doesn't lead the league in takeaways by cherry-picking and avoiding going into the corners. In the 2006 Olympics take a guess what forward was sent out to kill 5-on-3 penalties for Russia. He's been doing it since Babcock took over coaching Detroit, and to say he is one-dimensional is completely false.

The rest, I don't want to have to get into that debate again. I'd like to have more two-way players like Smyth or Langenbrunner on my 3rd/4th line over a pure defensive specialist like Erixon, but obviously I've given in.

OK, so I'm not being entirely fair to Datsyuk. I haven't seen a lot of the Wings aside from the playoffs. I know he's been called soft, couldn’t get it done in the playoffs, etc - easy to assume that makes him a classic one-dimensional Russian, especially in contrast to the well-rounded-from-the-start Zetterberg. Over the past couple of seasons and this year, I have heard more about him being more responsible, but "one of the best 2-way forwards in the game" might be taking it a bit far. Still, I guess Zetterberg rubbed off on him. I know which of the two I'd rather have, though.

Spitfire11
02-04-2008, 12:38 PM
Geez, a lot of you guys really like Laurie Boschman. I thought he was a good pick (obviously), but I thought we had better ones. (Owen, Balon, even Ray Getliffe). We actually took him earlier than he went in the last draft.

I didn't know so many liked Boschman either, lol. I got lucky that was the only time I got burned taking the wrong player first with your picks sandwiched in between mine.

Owen was a great pick. I barely had a chance to scribble his name down on my 3x5 card before you snagged him, I was hoping to find a little more info on him first. I actually ended up giving him your team's MVP vote.

seventieslord
02-04-2008, 12:50 PM
I like Boschman, but I don't see any evidence that he's a defensive player at all. Looks more like a Darcy Tucker - modest offense, tough, physical, nothing defense. His +/- was always bad but he was on bad teams, mind you. I would never put him on a third line after the lickings I took in the ATD - I want guys known for defensive ability on that line. On the 4th, I'd definitely take Boschman as an energy guy.

God Bless Canada
02-04-2008, 01:08 PM
I didn't know so many liked Boschman either, lol. I got lucky that was the only time I got burned taking the wrong player first with your picks sandwiched in between mine.

Owen was a great pick. I barely had a chance to scribble his name down on my 3x5 card before you snagged him, I was hoping to find a little more info on him first. I actually ended up giving him your team's MVP vote.
raleh had him in ATD 7, and I knew Owen would be an easy sell for my co-GM. We probably would have gone with him first overall.

There were about a dozen defencemen picked in ATD 7 who were available in this MLD. Most of them were active defencemen who shouldn't have been picked in the main draft. (Ohlund, Redden, Phaneuf, Sydor, etc.)

I entered the draft targeting five players with our top two picks: Owen, Balfour, Balon, Horvath and Chapman. We not only got Owen and Balfour, we licked our chops when Horvath and Balon slid to us. And to top it off, Chapman (the best all-round forward available) isn't in this thing.

Owen didn't play long, but those back-to-back 12-goal seasons, at that time, are all the proof you need of his offensive ability.

As for Boschman, he was really good defensively. He's actually on our Momentum Line, with Granato and Wensink, instead of our two-way line. (That's where unheralded George Gee comes into play). Winnipeg was usually a middle-of-the-pack team (it's hard to have a good record when playing eight games a year against two of, if not the two best teams in the league, and your goalie is Pokey Reddick). Boschman did all right in some really tough match-ups, facing centres much better than anyone picked in this draft.

vancityluongo
02-04-2008, 06:09 PM
Geez, a lot of you guys really like Laurie Boschman. We actually took him earlier than he went in the last draft.

Jeez louise, why couldn't Boschman have gotten that much love when kreuzer and me took him!!

Spitfire11
02-04-2008, 07:03 PM
raleh had him in ATD 7, and I knew Owen would be an easy sell for my co-GM. We probably would have gone with him first overall.

There were about a dozen defencemen picked in ATD 7 who were available in this MLD. Most of them were active defencemen who shouldn't have been picked in the main draft. (Ohlund, Redden, Phaneuf, Sydor, etc.)

Seeing as he was another raleh pick in ATD7, where'd you guys have Maxwell pegged? I was all set to take him in round 5 figuring he wouldn't make it past another pair of your picks, but MXD swooped in and took him round 4.

raleh
02-04-2008, 07:51 PM
Seeing as he was another raleh pick in ATD7, where'd you guys have Maxwell pegged? I was all set to take him in round 5 figuring he wouldn't make it past another pair of your picks, but MXD swooped in and took him round 4.

Maxwell never made it into our conversations. We got our top offensive dman with Owen and then went for bigger and meaner. Maxwell was on my team in ATD7 but only because I was being called out for not having enough firepower from my blue line. I had my defense all lined up with Cleghorn, Tremblay, Boivin, Harper, Van Impe and Heller. Then a few guys said that I was in trouble because I didn't have enough scoring from my defense. I was planning on drafting Owen anyways, but then I traded Heller to Nalyd for Lehman so that I could draft another offensively minded D. Maxwell came highly recommended by Evil Speaker, our resident defense expert, so I drafted him. He wasn't supposed to dress except for the Cleghorn suspension. He wasn't a guy I had pegged for the round I took him in like with Owen, and he's never actually been very high on one of my lists. He was an impulse pick at the time. Had we not landed Owen when we did we likely would have started throwing his name around, but the job was already taken.

God Bless Canada
02-04-2008, 08:03 PM
Maxwell never made it into our conversations. We got our top offensive dman with Owen and then went for bigger and meaner. Maxwell was on my team in ATD7 but only because I was being called out for not having enough firepower from my blue line. I had my defense all lined up with Cleghorn, Tremblay, Boivin, Harper, Van Impe and Heller. Then a few guys said that I was in trouble because I didn't have enough scoring from my defense. I was planning on drafting Owen anyways, but then I traded Heller to Nalyd for Lehman so that I could draft another offensively minded D. Maxwell came highly recommended by Evil Speaker, our resident defense expert, so I drafted him. He wasn't supposed to dress except for the Cleghorn suspension. He wasn't a guy I had pegged for the round I took him in like with Owen, and he's never actually been very high on one of my lists. He was an impulse pick at the time. Had we not landed Owen when we did we likely would have started throwing his name around, but the job was already taken.
Maxwell was high on my list for defencemen, but he was picked before I got the chance. Didn't realize that raleh had him in ATD 7, I just remember him getting Owen. Maxwell's good enough to be a No. 1 defenceman in this draft.

Maxwell's a good tough defenceman with an offensive side, but only topped 45 points twice. He was dealt within months of his 73-point breakthrough. Injuries were a factor in his failure to match the 73-point season, but some guys do factor injuries in their rankings.

He did have 61 points in 79 games, one of the more impressive totals for defencemen in this thing.

VanIslander
02-04-2008, 08:05 PM
Maxwell
Smart

Evil Speaker
02-04-2008, 08:24 PM
The reason why I recomended Brad Maxwell to raleh in ATD 7 was because of his playoff numbers. He wanted a strong offensive player, and I of course hold playoff numbers in higher regard than regular season numbers, so Maxwell was the man. During the 80's Brad Maxwell made the stanley cup finals only once, but still managed to place top 10 in playoff scoring by defensemen 5 times (4th,4th,4th,8th,9th). only Paul Coffey had more top 10 finishes, and only Chris Chelios could tie him. Pretty decent i'd say.
The problem with Maxwell was that he was'nt a very durable player during the regular season, and because of this, his overall numbers suffered.

MXD
02-04-2008, 08:58 PM
The reason why I recomended Brad Maxwell to raleh in ATD 7 was because of his playoff numbers. He wanted a strong offensive player, and I of course hold playoff numbers in higher regard than regular season numbers, so Maxwell was the man. During the 80's Brad Maxwell made the stanley cup finals only once, but still managed to place top 10 in playoff scoring by defensemen 5 times (4th,4th,4th,8th,9th). only Paul Coffey had more top 10 finishes, and only Chris Chelios could tie him. Pretty decent i'd say.
The problem with Maxwell was that he was'nt a very durable player during the regular season, and because of this, his overall numbers suffered.

I was pretty aware of Maxwell high playoffs numbers right from the start... and also aware that he had something of an injury-riddled career. I was also pretty set on selecting Arbour, and Jungosi and I considered four of other five guys we ended up pick (the one we hadn't figured out yet was McNamara, but I was sure he was drafted by that point). Boesch was to make our Top-6, but we went for McNamara when I realized he wasn't pick (and that I was trying to get in contact with Jungosi at 4 AM, Deutschland Time) because I did not wanted to pick Boesch so early when I was pretty sure we could wait for him.

So in the end, I made sure to pick a 7th D-Men that could play a regular shift (and that's really an euphemism in Boesch's case), instead of going for the common sense and select a 2-way D-Men that wasn't either good enough offensively or defensively to play a regular role on our D (or just don't have the career for a MLD roster spot yet). The thing is, we WILL definitely miss Maxwell for a few games in the regular season, but his playoffs stats were just too awesome to overlook. And he does bring toughness and size as well. Think of a rich-man Dion Phaneuf with better playoffs (at least, at this point of Phaneuf's career). Andrei Markov can stand the load on the PP, but we will probably have to play Howard McNamara on the PP when Maxwell will be out for some games. Not exactly the best option, but it could be worst, and he's BY FAR our best option, unless Jungosi knows something about Udo Kiessling I don't know by now.

The other D-Mens we heavily considered were Shmyr and Roberts (ironically, two former partners of Maxwell), and while they would have made a good pair with Maxwell, I'm pretty happy of a Maxwell - Arbour pairing. I don't think our offense will absolutely need Maxwell to produce something, but any kind of help from the D is always appreciated, and Maxwell will certainly take SOME risks considering Arbour was something of a blue-liner... in every possible sense.

Hawkman
02-04-2008, 09:54 PM
Catch a Wings game, he's one of the best 2-way forwards in the league. He doesn't lead the league in takeaways by cherry-picking and avoiding going into the corners. In the 2006 Olympics take a guess what forward was sent out to kill 5-on-3 penalties for Russia. He's been doing it since Babcock took over coaching Detroit, and to say he is one-dimensional is completely false.Agreed. Also, he's won 53% of his face offs this season.

101 Pavel Datsyuk, DET 75 17:53 28 59 87 1670 562 497 53 15:25

Diving Pokecheck*
02-04-2008, 10:34 PM
I would like to ask about drafting strategy.
Do you try to build around a player picked early on?
Or do you have a basic vision of a team, and then try to acquire as many targeted players as possible?

raleh
02-04-2008, 10:44 PM
I would like to ask about drafting strategy.
Do you try to build around a player picked early on?
Or do you have a basic vision of a team, and then try to acquire as many targeted players as possible?

I think it depends on your draft position. In ATD 8 GBC and I had 12, maybe 11? Either way, we ended up with Bourque. After that we just decided (didn't take very long) on the type of player we liked and drafted based on that philosophy. You can build any type of team around Ray Bourque, he can do it all. However, in ATD 7 I had the 5th overall pick. I went with Rocket. After that I decided I was going to be a playoff team. Almost every move I made in the first 10 rounds was with the Rocket in mind. Drafted Lach and Blake to play with him and another very clutch winger in Reggie Leach,and then went for physical, mean defensemen like Cleghorn, Boivin, and Van Impe for intimidation purposes. Probably my biggest mistake in the draft was moving away from this strategy by selecting Kariya and Turgeon to join Leach on the second line. But again, if you get a Doug Harvey, Ray Bourque, or Mark Messier with your first pick you can go in whichever direction you want because you don't have to highlight their strengths since they can do just about everything.

Spitfire11
02-04-2008, 10:58 PM
I would like to ask about drafting strategy.
Do you try to build around a player picked early on?
Or do you have a basic vision of a team, and then try to acquire as many targeted players as possible?

Well last draft I participated(ATD7) in I built a team around playing trapping-style hockey. Took a coach that used it to a couple championships, and players that had success playing under the system or similar defensive ones. It didn't work out very well to say the least :D

I'm still hoping for the chance to build a team around getting Lidstrom and Yzerman with my first 2 picks.

raleh
02-04-2008, 11:07 PM
Well last draft I participated(ATD7) in I built a team around playing trapping-style hockey. Took a coach that used it to a couple championships, and players that had success playing under the system or similar defensive ones. It didn't work out very well to say the least :D

I'm still hoping for the chance to build a team around getting Lidstrom and Yzerman with my first 2 picks.

Speaking of reuniting great Red Wings, and since you asked anyways Cooper- I still can't believe you passed on the chance to put Howe and Lindsay together in the main draft. After putting the punch line together in ATD 7 I walked around puffing my chest out for weeks. Imagine if you managed to ice the production line! That would be the best first line in ATD history, I don't care what kind of all star lines guys put together in the first few drafts!

raleh
02-04-2008, 11:08 PM
And Spit, I for one LOVED your ATD 7 team and was very surprised with the early exit.

VanIslander
02-04-2008, 11:14 PM
And Spit, I for one LOVED your ATD 7 team and was very surprised with the early exit.
Well it was a seven game series. I know I for one wasn't so impressed with Elias and St. Louis as second liners in an all-time context. I understand he wanted Brind'amour as third line left wing to create a killer third line (which it was). Still.

Nalyd Psycho
02-05-2008, 04:48 AM
Well last draft I participated(ATD7) in I built a team around playing trapping-style hockey. Took a coach that used it to a couple championships, and players that had success playing under the system or similar defensive ones. It didn't work out very well to say the least :D

I'm still hoping for the chance to build a team around getting Lidstrom and Yzerman with my first 2 picks.

You got dinged in the regular season for being a playoff team, and then, you vs me was the most crapshoot matchup possible as there wasn't even the slightest bit of common ground between our teams.

Diving Pokecheck*
02-09-2008, 10:04 PM
I would like to ask a trivia question: How many players picked in this draft have been picked in the big draft?
How many have never been picked in any draft?

VanIslander
02-09-2008, 10:18 PM
I would like to ask a trivia question: How many players picked in this draft have been picked in the big draft?
How many have never been picked in any draft?
If every team posted their own players we'd have the answer with very little work needed.

McGill Redmen:

past main draftees: MacLean, Khabibulin, Khomutov

shamefully never-before draftees: Bowie, Goheen, Tikhonov, Alexandrov

ck26
02-09-2008, 10:19 PM
I would like to ask a trivia question: How many players picked in this draft have been picked in the big draft?
How many have never been picked in any draft?A lot. On both counts. One thing I find interesting is that past the first 200 picks in the main draft, there is very little consensus / consistency in who gets drafted where.

Just looking at the Edina Hornets:

First time ever being drafted:
Romnes, Ftorek, Carney, Gionta, Grier, Halpern, Weinrich, Marchant, Nanne, Nyrop, Ikola, Heyliger

Previously taken in main drafts:
Olczyk, Karakas, Conroy, Casey

At this point, the talent disparity is so small that having well-assembled lines, chemistry and complimentary skill sets is more important than raw talent. Aside from maybe 2 or 3 of the goalies, there aren't any players who are going to singlehandedly win a series.

VanIslander
02-10-2008, 12:35 AM
I should mention that Redmen assistant coach Ron Wilson just recorded his 500th win in the NHL regular season tonight (much more if include playoffs) to place him 10th all-time in a tie with coach Toe Blake.

I don't believe Ron Wilson has ever been picked in the drafts before now but should soon be a mainstay, especially if his Sharks go all the way as I expect them too this postseason, yahoo! :handclap:

Diving Pokecheck*
02-18-2008, 02:22 PM
Here are my thoughts on my picks for each round.
As I said, my strategy going forward was to build a team around coach Mike Babcock, with Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Rafalski playing big roles.

Round 1 I usually want to fill secure with a good goaltender before I begin creating the other parts of the team. I guess being a Kings fan and watching the brilliance in net of "Beachball Dan" Cloutier, Yutaka Fukufuji, and Barry Brust taught me that. Hockey outsider recommended Gerry McNeil as the best available. He was picked 4th last draft, and with the 5th pick I was confident that he would be available.

Round 2 The player I really wanted was Hobey Baker, but he fell out of my hands. I decided to pick Zetterberg, knowing full well he was not the BPA. I though that his recent success would be fresh in GM's minds, and that would lead to him being picked higher.

Round 3 With Rafalski and Datsyuk picked, I knew that my Babcock idea was not going to work out. So I decided to take pre-NHLer Harry Hyland with my next pick. Just my luck, he was picked one before me. I decided to look at other very early Hall of Famers. My eyes fell on Harry Trihey, who seemed to be a 19th century Joe Sakic (hence the #19). I also learned that he was part of the Shamrock Line, and I decided to reunite them later in the draft. Knowing that the players were obscure, I decided to wait off picking them and fill other holes.

Round 4 Galley was a guy that we had scouted for the ATD. A good, solid, all-around first pairing defenseman at this level.

Round 5 Metro Prystai, of course, gets a whole lotta love around these boards. He was a team MVP in the last MLD, and is the best shadow available in the draft. I was happy to pick him up to anchor my checking line. Players that I had looked at that had been picked recently were Dave Christian and Matthias Ohlund.

Round 6 In hindsight, this was not a very good pick. I never saw Bruce Driver play, but his career numbers and his captain-ing a team to the cup seemed impressive.

Round 7 "Deader" is a bit of a sentimental pick, but he was a key contributer in the last MLD playoffs.

Round 8 Hy Buller is a gigantic question mark. Hockey Outsider had him as his 8th defenseman in the All Time Draft. He did not have the career, but his peak was, I say, the 3rd best of any d-man in the draft. (Baker, Barkley). I hindsight, I could have let him fall a few rounds and picked up someone else.

Rounds 9 and 10 Filling out the Shamrock Line. I know that I could have showboated, and let my 1rst line fall until the last rounds, but then I know that I would have been criticized for taking role players, with a scoring line still incomplete.

Round 11 With Babcock gone, I decided to take a coach with an excellent playoff record. Carlyle knows how to make a shutdown line effective.

Round 12 I was really considering Carney, but decided to go with Lewis instead, because he would make a prefect partner for Buller.
more to come....