ATD #9 Part 2

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Nalyd Psycho
03-27-2008, 06:19 PM
Welcome to ATD #9

The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards, a coach and 3 extra players.* (based on ATD#8 format, this can change depending on what direction the discussion takes over the next two and a half weeks)

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed

You MUST PM the GM after you once you have made your pick. Failure to do so will mean banishment by catapult and forfeiting your first round draft pick to Glace Bay....okay maybe not...but please do PM the next GM

Announcment: The clock begins ticking at 4am on Friday night (March 28th). Thus whoever is up at that point will have until 12am EST to make their selection. Please be aware of whether or not you are coming up at this point as it's early in the morning on the left coast. Thus, send a PM to me before going to bed indicating who you'd like selected. After this the clock will begin as soon as someone makes their pick. The clock for the first set of rounds will be 8 hours.




Draft List

Round One
1. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques - Bobby Orr, D.
2. nikjr - Lada Togliatti - Wayne Gretzky, C.
3. reckoning - Ottawa 67's - Gordie Howe, RW
4. cottonking - Dallas Freeze - Doug Harvey, D.
5. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins - Mario Lemieux C
6. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers - Eddie Shore, D.
7. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Patrick Roy, G.
8. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex - Bobby Hull, LW.
9. Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Jean Beliveau, C.
10.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles - Maurice Richard, RW
11.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks Guy Lafleur, RW
12.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -Raymond Bourque, D.
13.seventieslord - Regina Pats - Jacques Plante, G.
14.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Dominik Hasek, G.
15.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets - Denis Potvin, D.
16.Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts - Mark Messier, C.
17.McLovin - Montreal Maroons - Howie Morenz, C.
18.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders - Ted Lindsay, LW
19.Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings - Mike Bossy, RW
20.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons - Red Kelly D
21.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons - Stan Mikita, C.
22.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Martin Brodeur, G.
23.pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Clarke, C.
24.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven - Nik Lidstrom, D.
25.Papershoes and Johnny O - St. Catharines TeePees - Terry Sawchuk, G.
26.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners - Phil Esposito, C.
27.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters - Glenn Hall, G.
28.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers - Larry Robinson, D.
29.Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes - Ken Dryden, G.
30.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters - Bryan Trottier, C.
31.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters - Frank Mahovlich, LW
32.VanIslander & Frightened Inmate#2 - Kingston RMC Paladins - Steve Yzerman, C.

Round Two
33. pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Slava Fetisov, D.
34. Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters - Vladislav Tretiak, G.
35. shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -Bill Durnan, G.
36. Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Sprinfield Isotopes - Brad Park, D.
37. God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers - Milt Schmidt, C.
38. Bring Back Bucky - Donair City Loch Ness Monsters - Dit Clapper, D.
39. Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners - Chris Chelios, D.
40. Papershoes & Johnny O - St. Catharines TeePees - Paul Coffey,D.
41. Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven - Jaromir Jagr, RW.
42. cottonking - Dallas Freeze - Turk Broda, G.
43. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scott Stevens, D.
44. pappyline - Buffalo Bisons - Pierre Pilote, D.
45. LapierreSports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers - Bernie 'Boom Boom' Geoffrion, RW
46. Nalyd Psycho& FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Earl Seibert, D.
47. Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts - Tim Horton, D.
48. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers - Bernie Parent, G.
49. Roger's Pancreas & MiamiScreamingEagles - Calgary Stampeders - Al MacInnis, D.
50. vcl & WillieforCaptain - Winnipeg Jets - Joe Sakic, C.
51. Nate the Great & Chaosrevolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex - Jari Kurri, RW
52. seventieslord - Regina Pats - Gilbert Perreault, C
53. Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice - Valeri Kharlamov, LW.
54. arbezz - Inglewood Jacks - Brian Leetch, D.
55. Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers - Newsy Lalonde, C.
56. Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings - Billy Smith, G.
57. Spitfire - Detroit Red Wings -Cyclone Taylor.
58. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Henri Richard, C.
59. McLovin - Montreal Maroons - Charlie Conacher, RW.
60. pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Clint Benedict, G.
61. Pwnasaurus and JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts - Johnny Bower, G.
62. reckoning - Ottawa 67's - Syl Apps Sr, C.
63. nikjr - Lada Togliatti - Sprague Cleghorn, D.
64. Jungosi & LAXAttack - Quebec Nordiques - Chuck Gardiner, G.

Round Three
65. Jungosi LAXAttack - Quebec Nordiques - Dickie Moore, LW.
66. nikjr - Lada Togliatti - Bill Cook, RW.
67. reckoning - Ottawa 67's - King Clancy, D.
68.LapierreSports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers - Joe Malone, C/LW.
69. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins - Grant Fuhr, G.
70. McLovin - Montreal Maroons - Borje Salming, D.
71. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Peter Forsberg, C.
72. Spitfire - Detroit Red Wings - Scott Neidermeyer, D.
73. Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons - Frank Brimsek, G
74.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles - Elmer Lach, C
75.JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers - Chris Pronger, D.
76.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets - Jiri Holecek, G.
77.seventieslord - Regina Pats - Serge Savard, D.
78.Nate the Great & chaosrevolver - Montreal Saraurusrex - Jack Stewart, D.
79.Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes - Andy Bathgate, RW.
80.Roger's Pancreas & MiamiScreamingEagles - Calgary Stampders - George Hainsworth, G.
81.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Sergei Fedorov, C.
82.Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings - Bill Gadsby, D.
83.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire- Minnesota Fighting Saints - Rod Langway, D.
84.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons - Max Bentley, C.
85.monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Brett Hull, RW.
86.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ted Kennedy, C.
87.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons - Émile Bouchard, D.
88.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven - Toe Blake, LW.
89.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice - Boris Mikhailov, RW.
90.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners - Guy Lapointe, D.
91.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters - Peter Stastny, C.
92.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers - Johnny Bucyk, LW.
93.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice - Valeri Vasiliev, D.
94.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters - Jacques Laperriere, D.
95.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters - Brendan Shanahan, D.
96.BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Tiny Thompson, G.


Round Four
97. BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Bill Quackenbush, D.
98. Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters - Eric Lindros, C.
99. shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters - Aurel Joliat, LW.
100. Papershoes & Johnny O - St. Catharines TeePees - Lionel Conacher, D.
101. God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers - Cam Neely, RW.
102. cottonking - Dallas Freeze - Marcel Dionne, C.
103. Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners - Bob Gainey, LW.
104. Papershoes & Johnny O - St. Catharines TeePees - Dave Keon, C.
105. Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven - JC Tremblay, D.
106. cottonking - Dallas Freeze - Tom Johnson, D.
107. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Rob Blake, D.
108. pappyline - Buffalo Bisons - Harvey "Busher" Jackson, LW.
109. pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Sergei Makarov, RW.
110. Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings - Sid Abel C/LW
111. Rogers Pancreas & MiamiScreamingEagles - Calgary Stampeders - Bill Cowley, C/LW.
112. McLovin - Montreal Maroons - Ron Francis, C.
113. nikjr - Lada Togliatti - Mark Howe, D/LW.
114. vcl & WillieforCaptain - Winnipeg Jets - Marcel Pronovost, D.
115. Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Yvan Cournoyer, RW.
116. pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Frank Boucher, C.
117. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques - Adam Oates, C.
118. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Nels Stewart, C.
119. Blue Bleeder - St. Louis Eagles - Ebbie Goodfellow, D/C.
120. Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings - Harry Howell, D.
121. Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes - Norm Ullman, C.
122. pappyline - Buffalo Bisons - Alex Delvecchio, C/LW.
123. VanIslander & Frightened Inmate#2 - Kingston RMC Paladins - Ken Reardon, D.
124. VanIslander & Frightened Inmate#2 - Kingston RMC Paladins - Doug Wilson, D.
125. VanIslander & Frightened Inmate#2 - Kingston RMC Paladins - Larry Murphy, D.
126. reckoning - Ottawa 67's - Anatoli Firsov, LW.
127. Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons - Doug Bentley, LW.
128. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex


Round 5
129. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex
130. Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons -
131. reckoning - Ottawa 67's -
132. Pwnasaurus and JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
133. John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers
134. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
135. pappyline - Buffalo Bisons -
136. Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes
137. Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons
138.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles -
139.JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers
140.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -
141.seventieslord - Regina Pats -
142.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings -
143.Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes
144.Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
145.McLovin - Montreal Maroons -
146.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders -
147.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints -
148.seventieslord - Regina Pats
149.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons -
150.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
151.Bring Back Bucky - Donair City Loch Ness Monsters
152.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven -
153.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets
154.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners -
155.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters -
156.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers -
157.Papshoes and Johnny O – St. Catharines Teepees
158.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -
159.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters –
160.Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers

Round 6
161.Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers
162.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters –
163.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -
164.Papshoes and Johnny O – St. Catharines Teepees
165.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers -
166.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters -
167.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners -
168.Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques
169.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven -
170.cottonking – Dallas Freeze -
171.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
172.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons -
173.LapierreSports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers -
174.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints -
175.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders -
176.McLovin - Montreal Maroons -
177.Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
178.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets -
179.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings -
180.seventieslord - Regina Pats -
181.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -
182.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
183.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles -
184. Hedberg – Victoria Salmon Kings
185. Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings
186. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires -
187. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers -
188. seventieslord - Regina Pats
189. Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings
190. reckoning - Ottawa 67's -
191. nikjr - Lada Togliatti -
192. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques

Round 7
193. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques
194. nikjr - Lada Togliatti -
195. reckoning - Ottawa 67's -
196. nikjr - Lada Togliatti
197. Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings
198. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers -
199. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires -
200. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex -
201. Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons
202.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles -
203.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
204.Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes
205.pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
206.Nate the Great & chaosrevolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex
207.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets -
208.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons -
209.McLovin - Montreal Maroons -
210.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders -
211.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints -
212.pitseleh – Nanaimo Clippers -
213.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons -
214.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
215.cottonking – Dallas Freeze -
216.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven -
217.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice
218.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners -
219.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters -
220.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers -
221.Papshoes and Johnny O – St. Catharines Teepees
222.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -
223.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters –
224.Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers

Round 8
225.Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers
226.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters –
227.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -
228.Papshoes and Johnny O – St. Catharines Teepees
229.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers -
230.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters -
231.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners -
232.NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex
233.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven -
234.cottonking – Dallas Freeze -
235.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
236.monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
237.pitseleh – Nanaimo Clippers -
238.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints
239.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders -
240.McLovin - Montreal Maroons -
241.Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
242.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets -
243.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings -
244.seventieslord - Regina Pats -
245.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -
246.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
247.Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers
248. Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints
249. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex -
250. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires -
251. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers -
252. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins -
253. Eagle Belfour – Detroit Falcons
254. reckoning - Ottawa 67's -
255. nikjr - Lada Togliatti -
256. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques

Round 9
257. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques
258. nikjr - Lada Togliatti -
259. reckoning - Ottawa 67's -
260. Pwnasaurus and JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
261. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins -
262. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers -
263. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires -
264. Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes
265. Hedberg – Victoria Salmon Kings
266.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles -
267.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
268.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -
269.seventieslord - Regina Pats -
270.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings -
271.Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes
272.Roger's Pancreas & MiamiScreamingEagles - Calgary Stampeders -
273.McLovin - Montreal Maroons -
274.Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
275.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints -
276.pitseleh – Nanaimo Clippers -
277.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons -
278.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
279.cottonking – Dallas Freeze -
280.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven -
281.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets
282.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners -
283.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters -
284.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers -
285.Papshoes and Johnny O – St. Catharines Teepees
286.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -
287.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters –
288.Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers

Round 10
289.Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers
290.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters –
291.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -
292.Papshoes and Johnny O – St. Catharines Teepees
293.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers -
294.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters -
295.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners -
296.Rick Middleton and Sturminator – Springfield Isotopes
297.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven -
298.cottonking – Dallas Freeze -
299.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
300.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons -
301.pitseleh – Nanaimo Clippers -
302.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints -
303.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders -
304.McLovin - Montreal Maroons -
305.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons -
306.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets -
307.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings -
308.seventieslord - Regina Pats -
309.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -
310.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
311.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles -
312. Hedberg – Victoria Salmon Kings
313. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex -
314. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires -
315. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
316. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins -
317. Eagle Belfour – Detroit Falcons
318. reckoning - Ottawa 67's -
319. nikjr - Lada Togliatti -
320. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques

Round 11
321. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques
322. nikjr - Lada Togliatti -
323. reckoning - Ottawa 67's -
324. Pwnasaurus and JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
325. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins -
326. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers -
327. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires -
328. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex -
329. Hedberg – Victoria Salmon Kings
330.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles -
331.JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers
332.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -
333.seventieslord - Regina Pats -
334.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings -
335.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets -
336.Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
337.McLovin - Montreal Maroons -
338.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders -
339.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints -
340.seventieslord - Regina Pats
341.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons -
342.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
343.cottonking – Dallas Freeze -
344.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven -
345.Rick Middleton and Sturminator – Springfield Isotopes
346.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners -
347.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters -
348.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers -
349.Papshoes and Johnny O – St. Catharines Teepees
350.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -
351.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters –
352.Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers

Round 12
353.pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers
354.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters –
355.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -
356.Papshoes and Johnny O – St. Catharines Teepees
357.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers -
358.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters -
359.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners -
360.Rick Middleton and Sturminator – Springfield Isotopes
361.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven -
362.cottonking – Dallas Freeze -
363.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
364.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons -
365.VanIslander and Frightened Inmate#2 - Kingston RMC Paladins
366.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints -
367.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders -
368.McLovin - Montreal Maroons -
369.Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
370.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets -
371.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings -
372.seventieslord - Regina Pats -
373.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -
374.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
375.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles -
376. Hedberg – Victoria Salmon Kings
377. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex -
378. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires -
379. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers -
380. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins -
381. cottonking – Dallas Freeze
382. reckoning - Ottawa 67's -
383. nikjr - Lada Togliatti -
384. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques


Round 13
385. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques
386. nikjr - Lada Togliatti -
387. reckoning - Ottawa 67's -
388. nikjr - Lada Togliatti
389. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins -
390. McLovin - Montreal Maroons
391. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires -
392. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex -
393. Hedberg – Victoria Salmon Kings
394.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles -
395.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
396.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -
397.seventieslord - Regina Pats -
398.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings -
399.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets -
400.Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts -
401.JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers
402.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders -
403.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire -
404.pitseleh – Nanaimo Clippers -
405.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons -
406.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs -
407.cottonking – Dallas Freeze -
408.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven -
409.Rick Middleton and Sturminator – Springfield Isotopes
410.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners -
411.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters -
412.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers -
413.Papshoes and Johnny O – St. Catharines Teepees
414.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -
415.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters –
416.Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers














Trades:
cottonking - Dallas Freeze receives: 4th overall (1st round) and 381st overall (12th round)
Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons receives: 23rd overall (1st round) and 87th overall (3rd round)

Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints receives: 9th overall (1st round) and 248th overall (8th round)
Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings receives: 19th overall (1st round) and 110th overall (4th round)

Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons receives: 20th overall (1st round) and 84th overall (3rd round)
pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers receives: 23rd overall (1st round) and 68th overall (3rd round)

Papershoes and Johnny O - St. Catharines TeePees receives: 25th overall (1st round), 40th (2nd round) and 104th overall (4th round)
Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes receives: 29th overall (1st round), 36th overall (2nd round) and 93rd overall (3rd round

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers receives: 32nd overall (1st round), 33rd overall (2nd round) and 353rd overall (12th round)
LapierreSports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers receives: 45 overall (2nd round), 68 overall (3rd round) and 173rd overall (6th round)

VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins receives: 32nd overall (1st round) and 365th overall (12th round)
pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers receives: 60th overall (2nd round) and 188th overall (6th round)

Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts recieves: 47th overall (2nd round), 82nd overall (3rd round) and 274th overall (9th round)
Roger's Pancreas & MiamiScreamingEagles - Calgary Stampeders recieves: 49th overall (2nd round), 80th overall (3rd round), and 272nd overall (9th round)

JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers receives: 48th overall (2nd round, 81st overall (3rd round) and 401st overall (13th round)
McLovin - Montreal Maroons receives: 59th overall (2nd round), 70th overall (3rd round) and 390th overall (13th round)

Nate the Great & Chaosrevolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex receives: 51st overall (2nd Round), 78th overall (3rd Round) and 206th overall (7th Round)
Spitfire - Detroit Red Wings receives: 57th overall (2nd Round), 72nd overall (3rd Round) and 185th overall (6th Round)

LapierreSports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers receives: 55th overall (2nd round) and 247th overall (8th round)
BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles recieves: 96th overall (3rd round) and 97th overall (4th round)

Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts recieves: 61st overall (2nd round), 132nd overall (5th round), 260th overall (9th round) and 324th overall (11th round)
Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons receives: 82nd overall (3rd round), 113rd overall (4th round), 208th overall (7th round) and 305th overall (10th round)

Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons receives: 73rd overall (3rd round), 137th overall (5th round) and 201st overall (7th round)
Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings receives: 82nd overall (3rd round), 125th overall (4th round) and 189th overall (6th round)

JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers receives: 75th overall (3rd round), 139th overall (5th round) and 331st overall (11th round)
arrbez - Inglewood Jacks recieves: 81st overall (3rd round), 134th overall (5th round) and 315th overall (10th round)

Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes receives: 76th overall (3rd round), 117th overall (4th round) and 204th overall (7th round)
Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice receives: 89th overall (3rd round), 93rd overall (3rd round) and 217th overall (7th round)

vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets receives: 76th overall (3rd round), 153rd overall (5th round) and 281st overall (9th round)
Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes receives: 79th overall (3rd round), 143rd overall (5th round) and 271st overall (9th round)

monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires receives: 85th overall (3rd round) and 236th overall (8th round)
pappyline - Buffalo Bisons receives: 122nd overall (4th round) and 135th overall (5th round)

cottonking - Dallas Freeze receives: 102nd overall (4th round) and Bring Back Bucky's 24
Bring Back Bucky - Donair City Loch Ness Monsters receives: 151 overall (5th round) and cottonking's 19

nikjr - Lada Togliatti receives: 113rd overall (4th round), 196th (7th round) overall and 388th overall (13th round)
Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons receives: 127th overall (4th round), 130th overall (5th round) and 447th overall (14th round)

Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques receives: 117th overall (4th round) and 168th overall (6th round)
Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes receives: 128th overall (4th round) and 129th overall (5th round)

Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes receives: 121st overall (4th round), 136th overall (5th round), 264th overall (9th round)
NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex receives: 128th overall (4th round), 129th overall (5th round), 232nd overall (8th round)

pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers receives: 116th overall (4th round), 205th overall (7th round) and seventieslord's 14th.
seventieslord - Regina Pats receives: 148th overall (5th round), 188th overall (6th round) and 340th overall (11th round)

VanIslander & Frightened Inmate#2 - Kingston RMC Paladins receives: 123rd overall (4th round), 23rd and 24th
John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers receives: 133rd overall (5th round), 16th and 17th

VanIslander & Frightened Inmate#2 - Kingston RMC Paladins receives: 125th overall (4th rounder) 22nd, 23rd and 24th
Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings receives: 197th overall (7th round), 15th, 18th and 19th

vancityluongo
03-27-2008, 06:45 PM
Part 2 eh?

Oh and Hedberg, you suck. I wanted Billy Smith to go with Potvin, and was seriously considering him with Sakic, and Horton, who was taken before him.

FissionFire
03-27-2008, 06:51 PM
If things move along and my pick is up by noon tomorrow I'll take Aki Berg in appreciation for you all. :biglaugh:

Transplanted Caper
03-27-2008, 07:02 PM
As per my PM the clock will now begin at 4am Eastern tomorrow morning, meaning the first pick is due at noon tomorrow for whoever is up to draft at that point.

Nalyd Psycho
03-27-2008, 07:30 PM
Part 2 eh?

Oh and Hedberg, you suck. I wanted Billy Smith to go with Potvin, and was seriously considering him with Sakic, and Horton, who was taken before him.

You have two of the greatest leaders in the history of hockey, your off to an awesome start, and no way Smith made it outside the 2nd round.

vancityluongo
03-27-2008, 07:40 PM
You have two of the greatest leaders in the history of hockey, your off to an awesome start, and no way Smith made it outside the 2nd round.

Right back at ya! Seibert-Beliveau is crazy.

And I was looking to get Smith at EB's pick (61), ah well.

Transplanted Caper
03-27-2008, 09:47 PM
I'll be glad when things start to pick up tomorrow with a clock in play. Good work on getting through a couple of rounds before the draft kicked off though.

Pwnasaurus
03-27-2008, 09:52 PM
Are you kidding? I can't keep up

monster_bertuzzi
03-27-2008, 10:00 PM
It is apparent we need a clock. My god this has been going slow.

EagleBelfour
03-27-2008, 10:02 PM
Wow, I forgot to send a list and I thought would be mad at me for delaying the draft ... and no pick on the board yet?

Come on McLovin, get off your bed and come make a selection.

Pwnasaurus
03-27-2008, 10:38 PM
Just to clarify, it's 12pm est tomorrow correct? The post says 12am.

Leaf Lander
03-27-2008, 10:39 PM
Ill do a alphabetical listing here

Transplanted Caper
03-27-2008, 10:39 PM
Just to clarify, it's 12pm est tomorrow correct? The post says 12am.

Correct

MXD
03-27-2008, 10:49 PM
Richard is an interesting pick. Brings a lot for sure...But I feel like, except under some specific circumstances (see Castors de Sherbrooke, ATD 8) he should never go above, well, an undrafted-yet center. Good thing for you monster_bertuzzi, Richard never hurts you. It's just that I feel there's one guy who brings kindof the same thing... and even more. Wouldn't file it under bad pick, but...

ck26
03-27-2008, 11:05 PM
Richard is an interesting pick. Brings a lot for sure...But I feel like, except under some specific circumstances (see Castors de Sherbrooke, ATD 8) he should never go above, well, an undrafted-yet center. Good thing for you monster_bertuzzi, Richard never hurts you. It's just that I feel there's one guy who brings kindof the same thing... and even more. Wouldn't file it under bad pick, but...Agree that the Pocket Rocket is an interesting player ... in an all-time context, I love him as a #1 center, but it's ironic that he was never a #1 center in real life.

How the rest of the team is built around him will impact how good Henri is in this draft. On a certain type of line / team, he is in that tier with Clarke and Trottier. On a different team, he's very ordinary.

pappyline
03-27-2008, 11:11 PM
If you ask Stan Mikita the best centres he played against, Henri & ***** are mentioned before Beliveau.

Roger's Pancreas*
03-27-2008, 11:38 PM
Wild. It changes from words to numbers right after round four, and right before round 5.

Leaf Lander
03-28-2008, 12:19 AM
Alphabetical Order



Draft List

Round One


62. reckoning - Ottawa 67's - Syl Apps Sr, C.

79.Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes - Andy Bathgate, RW.
9. Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Jean Beliveau, C.
60. pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Clint Benedict, G.
84.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons - Max Bentley, C.
107. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs-- Rob Blake D
88.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven - Toe Blake, LW.
87.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons - Émile Bouchard, D.
61. Pwnasaurus and JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts - Johnny Bower, G.
73. Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons - Frank Brimsek, G
42. cottonking - Dallas Freeze - Turk Broda, G.
22.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Martin Brodeur, G.
19.Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings - Mike Bossy, RW
12.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -Raymond Bourque, D.
92.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers - Johnny Bucyk, LW.

39. Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners - Chris Chelios, D.
67. reckoning - Ottawa 67's - King Clancy, D.
38. Bring Back Bucky - Donair City Loch Ness Monsters - Dit Clapper, D.
23.pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Bobby Clarke, C.
63. nikjr - Lada Togliatti - Sprague Cleghorn, D.
40. Papershoes & Johnny O - St. Catharines TeePees - Paul Coffey,D.
59. McLovin - Montreal Maroons - Charlie Conacher, RW.
100. Papershoes & Johnny O - St. Catharines TeePees--Lionel Conacher D
66. nikjr - Lada Togliatti - Bill Cook, RW.

102. Bring Back Bucky - Donair City Loch Ness Monsters--Marcel Dionne C
29.Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Springfield Isotopes - Ken Dryden, G.
35. shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -Bill Durnan, G.

26.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners - Phil Esposito, C.

81.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Sergei Fedorov, C.
33. pitseleh - Nanaimo Clippers - Slava Fetisov, D.
71. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Peter Forsberg, C.
69. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins - Grant Fuhr, G.


82.Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings - Bill Gadsby, D
103. Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners --Bob Gainey RW
64. Jungosi & LAXAttack - Quebec Nordiques - Chuck Gardiner, G.
45. LapierreSports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers - Bernie 'Boom Boom' Geoffrion, RW
2. nikjr - Lada Togliatti - Wayne Gretzky, C.



80.Roger's Pancreas & MiamiSEagles - Calgary Stampders - George Hainsworth, G.
27.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters - Glenn Hall, G.
4. cottonking - Dallas Freeze - Doug Harvey, D.
14.Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings - Dominik Hasek, G.
76.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets - Jiri Holecek, G.
47. Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts - Tim Horton, D.
3. reckoning - Ottawa 67's - Gordie Howe, RW
8. NatetheGreat and Chaos Revolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex - Bobby Hull, LW.
85.monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Brett Hull, RW.

99. shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters--Aurel Joliat C
106. cottonking - Dallas Freeze-- Tom Johnson D
41. Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven - Jaromir Jagr, RW.



20.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons - Red Kelly D
53. Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice - Valeri Kharlamov, LW.
86.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ted Kennedy, C.
104. Papershoes & Johnny O - St. Catharines TeePees-- Dave Keon C
51. Nate the Great & Chaosrevolver - Montreal Sarasaurusrex - Jari Kurri, RW

4.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles - Elmer Lach, C
11.arrbez - Inglewood Jacks Guy Lafleur, RW
55. Lapierre Sports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers - Newsy Lalonde, C.
83.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire- Minnesota Fighting Saints - Rod Langway, D.
94.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters -Jacques Laperriere D
90.Transplanted Caper - Glace Bay Miners - Guy Lapointe, D.
54. arbezz - Inglewood Jacks - Brian Leetch, D.
5. VanIslander&Frightened Inmate #2 - Kingston RMC Paladins - Mario Lemieux C
24.Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven - Nik Lidstrom, D.
98. Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters--Eric Lindros C
18.Rogers Pancreas&Miami Screaming Eagles - Calgary Stampeders - Ted Lindsay, LW


1. Jungosi & LAXAttack -Quebec Nordiques - Bobby Orr D

49. Roger's Pancreas & MiamiScreamingEagles - Calgary Stampeders - Al MacInnis, D.
31.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters - Frank Mahovlich, LW
68.LapierreSports & MXD - Montreal Wanderers - Joe Malone, C/LW.
16.Pwnasaurus & JimEIV - Kansas City Scouts - Mark Messier, C.
89.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice - Boris Mikhailov, RW.
21.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons - Stan Mikita, C.
65. Jungosi LAXAttack - Quebec Nordiques - Dickie Moore, LW.
17.McLovin - Montreal Maroons - Howie Morenz, C., D.


101. God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers--Cam Neely RW
72. Spitfire - Detroit Red Wings - Scott Neidermeyer, D.


48. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers - Bernie Parent, G.
36. Rick Middleton & Sturminator - Sprinfield Isotopes - Brad Park, D.
52. seventieslord - Regina Pats - Gilbert Perreault, C
44. pappyline - Buffalo Bisons - Pierre Pilote, D.
13.seventieslord - Regina Pats - Jacques Plante, G.
15.vcl and Willie for Captain - Winnipeg Jets - Denis Potvin, D.
75.JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers - Chris Pronger, D.

97. BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles--Bill Quackenbush D

58. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Henri Richard, C.
10.Blue Bleeder - St Louis Eagles - Maurice Richard, RW
28.God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers - Larry Robinson, D.
7. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Patrick Roy, G.

50. vcl & WillieforCaptain - Winnipeg Jets - Joe Sakic, C.
70. McLovin - Montreal Maroons - Borje Salming, D.
25.Papershoes and Johnny O - St. Catharines TeePees - Terry Sawchuk, G.
77.seventieslord - Regina Pats - Serge Savard, D.
37. God Bless Canada & raleh - Ottawa RCAF Flyers - Milt Schmidt, C.
46. Nalyd Psycho& FissionFire - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Earl Seibert, D.
95.Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters -Brendan Shanahan RW
6. JohnFlyersFan - Philadelphia Flyers - Eddie Shore, D.
56. Hedberg - Victoria Salmon Kings - Billy Smith, G.
91.Bring Back Bucky Donair City Loch Ness Monsters - Peter Stastny, C.
43. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scott Stevens, D.
78.Nate the Great & chaosrevolver - Montreal Saraurusrex - Jack Stewart, D.


57. Spitfire - Detroit Red Wings -Cyclone Taylor.
96.BlueBleeder - St. Louis Eagles--Tiny Thompson G
105. Cup2008SensRule - Ottawa Silver Seven-- JC TremblayD
34. Vakar Lajos - Brooklyn Yawning Otters - Vladislav Tretiak, G.
30.shawnmullin - Trail Smoke Eaters - Bryan Trottier, C.

93.Evil Sather - Kootenay Ice -Valeri Vasiliev

32.VanIslander & Frightened Inmate#2 - Kingston RMC Paladins - Steve Yzerman, C.

FissionFire
03-28-2008, 12:36 AM
who is on the clock rit now

surely they can pick if they are about:)

McLovin

FissionFire
03-28-2008, 12:37 AM
Wild. It changes from words to numbers right after round four, and right before round 5.

I know! And did you see that Round Three is the only one not bolded?

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 12:53 AM
Wild. It changes from words to numbers right after round four, and right before round 5.
I know! And did you see that Round Three is the only one not bolded?

Ya I know! and each of the trades are not written in the same manner!

... It's scare me just to think about it.

Spitfire11
03-28-2008, 01:34 AM
This sounds a bit like counting Gretzky's WHA / OHL / bantams records ... those 18 seasons (none of which was more than 25 games, including playoffs), were split between the Pacific Coast Hockey Association, the National Hockey Association, the East Coast Hockey Association, Western Professional Hockey Associated, East Coast Amateur Hockey Association, International Professional Hockey League, Manitoba Hockey League and Junior Ontario Hockey Association. He was 16 for the first of those seasons.

Yes, those bios are written to make the players sound good. The main point is that he was the best everywhere he played. Seasons under 25 games were the norm in the 20's and earlier, can't really hold that against him.

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 03:47 AM
I hope this dosen't bring me bad luck, but out of boredom, I already wrote my post on my next selection ... I hope McLovin and Pitseleh doesn't take him ... Since Pitseleh is renowned for taking players the others want, I'm ready for the worst!

Leaf Lander
03-28-2008, 04:00 AM
who misses there pick in the 2nd rnd

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 04:04 AM
who misses there pick in the 2nd rnd

No one miss their pick. We're waiting for McLovin to select.

Gibsons Finest
03-28-2008, 04:05 AM
Sorry boys, Foo Fighters concert. Luckily I remembered this late to make er.

Anyway, the Maroons select RW Charlie Conacher.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 04:12 AM
I've got a hundred V-bucks that says I know who pit takes here. Anybody want some of that action?

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 04:23 AM
Sorry boys, Foo Fighters concert. Luckily I remembered this late to make er.

Anyway, the Maroons select RW Charlie Conacher.

LOL, ah come on, for Christ sake ...

Nalyd Psycho
03-28-2008, 04:24 AM
Sturm, I have a very strong feeling who he takes, I wonder if we're thinking the same guy/girl.

Sorry boys, Foo Fighters concert. Luckily I remembered this late to make er.


Nice. How was it? Oddly enough I know a few people who are giving up tickets for their show this weekend. Saw Ministry tonight and every muscle in my body is sore...

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 04:24 AM
#9 CHARLIE CONACHER

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5117/abcij2.png
1933-34 Canadian Gum V252

6'1 feets, 195 pounds, Shoots: Right

Stanley Cup Champion (1932)
Stanley Cup Finalist (1933, 1935, 1936, 1938)
Art Ross Trophy (1934, 1935)
Conn Smythe Trophy (1932*)
Maurice Richard Trophy (1931**, 1932**, 1934**, 1935**, 1936**)
First All-Star Team Right Wing (1934, 1935, 1936)
Second All-Star Team Right Wing (1932, 1933)

Nalyd Psycho
03-28-2008, 04:28 AM
EB, you totally should have known you were jinxing yourself...

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 04:30 AM
EB, you totally should have known you were jinxing yourself...

Not my fault ... at the middle of the night, waiting for a pick to be announced for more than 24 hours ... Having nothing else to do .... Anyway it blows.

Looking to trade down in the 65-75 range.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 04:31 AM
Sturm, I have a very strong feeling who he takes, I wonder if we're thinking the same guy/girl.

pit knows how these drafts go and, with a large gap between this pick and his next one, he knows what position he needs to fill here if he wants upper-eschelon talent. I think the choice is rather obvious, all things considered, but he may yet surprise me.

Nalyd Psycho
03-28-2008, 04:33 AM
pit knows how these drafts go and, with a large gap between this pick and his next one, he knows what position he needs to fill here if he wants upper-eschelon talent. I think the choice is rather obvious, all things considered, but he may yet surprise me.

I think we're thinking the same thing...

Unless I've missed someone who's slipped...

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 04:49 AM
I think we're thinking the same thing...

Unless I've missed someone who's slipped...

If he go that way, I don't know which one he will select.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 05:04 AM
If he go that way, I don't know which one he will select.

I guess there are really three possibilities, though based on the evidence, I think I know which way he'll go. I wouldn't be shocked to see you nab one of the others, Eagle.

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 05:24 AM
I guess there are really three possibilities, though based on the evidence, I think I know which way he'll go. I wouldn't be shocked to see you nab one of the others, Eagle.

I guess we'll see. I hope Pitseleh make my choice easier though :)

Transplanted Caper
03-28-2008, 07:54 AM
Please send the PM to me when reckoning is up. I have his pick.


FYI: pitseleh as until 1PM EST to pick

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 08:03 AM
FYI: pitseleh as until 1PM EST to pick

Banishment by ****ing catapult.

At least we know pit's not staring blankly at the ATD#8 list trying to figure out his pick.

pitseleh
03-28-2008, 09:05 AM
Sorry for holding things up guys, I just woke up. :D

Well, I drafted at number 60 after picking a forward and defenseman last draft and I'm picking at number 60 again after picking a forward and defenseman...

The Clippers are proud to select G Clint Benedict. He led the NHL in GAA six times, shutouts 7 times, helped his teams win four Stanley Cups, would likely have at least half a dozen Vezinas if they were around when he played and put up some stellar seasons in the NHA before that.

FissionFire
03-28-2008, 09:22 AM
Exactly who I expected. Great pick pits.

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 09:44 AM
Another trade down for the Detroit Falcons:

To the Kansas City Scouts
2nd round; 61st overall
5th round; 132nd overall
9th round; 260th overall
11th round; 324th overall

To the Detroit Falcons

3rd round; 82nd overall
4th round; 113rd overall
7th round; 208th overall
10th round; 305th overall

The Kansas City Scouts to confirm.

Pwnasaurus
03-28-2008, 09:48 AM
Confirmed.

The Scouts are pleased to select a player whom they felt bad watching wallow in the green room as player after player were called up to the podium. At the urging of Mr.Horton, the Scouts select Johnny Bower.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 09:54 AM
Hmmm...a run on goalies. Shocking.

You're running out of tricks, pit.

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 09:54 AM
Benedict was predictable. pit got him at the exact same spot in the last draft. And he nearly won the championship with him.

Nice trade and pick, pwn. Bower's outstanding. Former ATD championship goalie. About time he went.

Gibsons Finest
03-28-2008, 09:54 AM
Nice. How was it? Oddly enough I know a few people who are giving up tickets for their show this weekend. Saw Ministry tonight and every muscle in my body is sore...

Pretty unreal. A bit longer than I expected, but still pretty rockin'. They put on a pretty good show.

Transplanted Caper
03-28-2008, 09:54 AM
67's select Syl Apps

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 09:56 AM
67's select Syl Apps
That was maybe the most predictable pick so far. Everyone knows that reck's a huge Apps fan. And a great pick, too. One of the best players available.

FissionFire
03-28-2008, 09:59 AM
67's select Syl Apps

Surely you don't mean the one that starred at Princeton and went on to have 4 mediocre minor league seasons before retiring in 2003? That's the only Syl Apps I know of without a moniker.

John Flyers Fan
03-28-2008, 10:05 AM
I am looking to make a move for one of the next few picks ie anyone is interested.

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 10:05 AM
67's select Syl Apps

Very nice pick, and not a very surprising pick for a Leafs fan. Syl Apps Sr. was my selection it I kept the pick.

Only looking at the stats:

Calder Memorial Trophy (1937)
First All-Star Team Centre (1939, 1942)
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (1942)
Second All-Star Team Centre (1938, 1941, 1943)

... very slightly over a point in regular, about .85 in playoffs. No Hart, no Art Ross, no Rocket Richard. Nice career, great players, but hardly a good selection at #62.

Well your clearly wrong. When you look a closer look at his career, you see:

A retro Conn Smythe in 1942
3 times Art Ross runner + a 6th and 7th position
3 times Hart runner up + 2 3rd place
2 time Lady Bing runner up + 2 3rd place and a 4th.

I'm calling him the eternal 2nd place. Yea right, he never won a big award, but what is amazing is that he's incredibly well in his 6 year peak with constancy. His peak was also cut becasue of the war.

Oh ya, didn't talked about his incredible leadership abilities, a true captain. A great person.

Amazing pick

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 10:16 AM
The trade down is a bit of a gamble I concur, but I feel like it's a good trade for my team.

I won't pick before pick #82, and my only selection so far is Red Kelly at #20. But after that:

82nd, 84th, 87th, 113rd, 125th, 189th, 196th, 208th. 6 Pick in the top-125, 9 pick in the top-210.

Hit or miss. Well see if I made good picks and have a chance for the championship after those 9 picks.

vancityluongo
03-28-2008, 10:23 AM
Confirmed.

The Scouts are pleased to select a player whom they felt bad watching wallow in the green room as player after player were called up to the podium. At the urging of Mr.Horton, the Scouts select Johnny Bower.

Boo!!!!

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 10:27 AM
Ok, someone please tell me how incredible is Johnny Bower. I'm reading on him, looking at his stats and reading again, and I have him about 15th overall on my all-time goaltenders list. I need input as to why Bower is a superb pick as the 10th goaltender taken, 61st overall.

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 10:32 AM
Ok, someone please tell me how incredible is Johnny Bower. I'm reading on him, looking at his stats and reading again, and I have him about 15th overall on my all-time goaltenders list. I need input as to why Bower is a superb pick as the 10th goaltender taken, 61st overall.
Playoffs. He was money in the post-season. Four rings. Big part of three of them. Why is Billy Smith picked so high, even though he topped 50 games played in the regular season once in his career? Playoffs. Why is Turk Broda always picked so high? Playoffs.

Bower's regular season numbers are impressive. His trophy case would be more impressive if it weren't for his competition. I think every No. 1 goalie in the league in Bower's prime - early-to-mid 60s - is in the HHOF. Just winning a Vezina, or getting a first-team all-star birth in that stretch was HHOF-worthy.

pitseleh
03-28-2008, 10:33 AM
Ok, someone please tell me how incredible is Johnny Bower. I'm reading on him, looking at his stats and reading again, and I have him about 15th overall on my all-time goaltenders list. I need input as to why Bower is a superb pick as the 10th goaltender taken, 61st overall.

He was actually the 13th goalie.

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 10:40 AM
Patrick Roy
Jacques Plante
Dominik Hasek
Glenn Hall
Terry Sawchuk
Ken Dryden
Vladislav Tretiak
Bill Durnan
Turk Broda
Bernard Parent
Billy Smith
Clint Benedict

Damn, already 13rd goaltenders? Wow ok you're right :) I thought a little less were selected.

nik jr
03-28-2008, 10:45 AM
lada selects D sprague cleghorn.

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 10:48 AM
lada selects D sprague cleghorn.

I little buddy to protect Wayne I see :P

nik jr
03-28-2008, 10:53 AM
I little buddy to protect Wayne I see :P

partly. :) but also the best remaining D. great at both ends.

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 10:55 AM
lada selects D sprague cleghorn.
Maybe it's just me, but I think he's better than Leetch, MacInnis and Stevens. Agreed that he's the best defenceman available.

EagleBelfour
03-28-2008, 10:59 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I think he's better than Leetch, MacInnis and Stevens. Agreed that he's the best defenceman available.

Really? Never been a fan of either Leetch and MacInnis (none of them should be selected in the top-60 IMO), but Stevens is pretty much the Sprague Cleghorn of the 90's. Very similar if you ask me.

Anyway, there's still a defenseman on the board I would rate higher than Cleghorn, MacInnis and Leetch, and only behind Stevens.

Hawkman
03-28-2008, 11:00 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I think he's better than Leetch, MacInnis and Stevens. Agreed that he's the best defenceman available.I don't know about Leetch, but I agree 100% about everything else. :)

nik jr
03-28-2008, 11:15 AM
Really? Never been a fan of either Leetch and MacInnis (none of them should be selected in the top-60 IMO), but Stevens is pretty much the Sprague Cleghorn of the 90's. Very similar if you ask me.
cleghorn's offensive ability and skating, not to mention psychopathology, are beyond stevens'.

Anyway, there's still a defenseman on the board I would rate higher than Cleghorn, MacInnis and Leetch, and only behind Stevens.
we might be thinking of the same person. i went back and forth between 2 d-men. i decided cleghorn b/c he's more complete.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 11:24 AM
Stevens is pretty much the Sprague Cleghorn of the 90's. Very similar if you ask me.

Even for his time, Cleghorn was pretty small. Strong, sure, but it's an issue. I'm not nearly as comfortable with the idea of Cleghorn trying to clear some of the bigger forwards from the crease as I am with Stevens.

The discipline thing is a negative for me, as well, and though Cleghorn was certainly a rough customer (cough...thug...cough), I don't think we should put him in the same category as a pure, intimidating hitter as Stevens.

On the other hand, Cleghorn was considerably faster and had more offensive skill relative to his peers. In the end, I think they're quite different players, actually. I rate Stevens higher.

Man...the old-timey guys are getting a lot of love this time around.

pitseleh
03-28-2008, 11:28 AM
Man...the old-timey guys are getting a lot of love this time around.

No kidding. My teams used to be filled with them because they were so underappreciated (and undervalued), but now they're starting to go where they should.

Roger's Pancreas*
03-28-2008, 11:34 AM
I absolutely refuse to draft Cleghorn. I don't know exactly how comparable MacInnis is to Sprague (I don't think anyone knows for sure), but what I do know is that my guy isn't going to do something proundly stupid and selfish that may end up hurting his team in the long run.

nik jr
03-28-2008, 11:37 AM
Even for his time, Cleghorn was pretty small. Strong, sure, but it's an issue. I'm not nearly as comfortable with the idea of Cleghorn trying to clear some of the bigger forwards from the crease as I am with Stevens.

The discipline thing is a negative for me, as well, and though Cleghorn was certainly a rough customer (cough...thug...cough), I don't think we should put him in the same category as a pure, intimidating hitter as Stevens.

On the other hand, Cleghorn was considerably faster and had more offensive skill relative to his peers. In the end, I think they're quite different players, actually. I rate Stevens higher.

Man...the old-timey guys are getting a lot of love this time around.
i generally agree, except i don't see how cleghorn was small for his time. 5'10, basically the same size as shore. pretty small for the 20s would be around 5'6.
it seems most of the players bigger than cleghorn were physical D.

similar to shore, cleghorn's only weakness was his violence and tendency to take penalties.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 11:40 AM
I absolutely refuse to draft Cleghorn. I don't know exactly how comparable MacInnis is to Sprague (I don't think anyone knows for sure), but what I do know is that my guy isn't going to do something proundly stupid and selfish that may end up hurting his team in the long run.

Hmmm...then I can think of another prominent defenseman you won't be drafting.

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 11:42 AM
i generally agree, except i don't see how cleghorn was small for his time. 5'10, basically the same size as shore. pretty small for the 20s would be around 5'6.
it seems most of the players bigger than cleghorn were physical D.

similar to shore, cleghorn's only weakness was his violence and tendency to take penalties.
I don't think size is an issue with Claghorn. 5'10" for a defenceman isn't that small. He's only a couple inches shorter than Orr. He's near the size of Shore and Harvey, and close to Bourque's height. Chelios is about six feet tall, too. (I think there's some exaggeration with Chelios' height).

Claghorn's not going to win any popularity contests around here, or anywhere else, for that matter. But I have him firmly entrenched as one of the top 20 defencemen of all-time. There wasn't anything he couldn't do. Outstanding skater, very strong, very creative offensively, mean, tough, aggressive, defensively sound - the guy could do it all.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 11:44 AM
i generally agree, except i don't see how cleghorn was small for his time. 5'10, basically the same size as shore.

Was Cleghorn really 5'10"? Could you give me a link to that? Not questioning your sources, just I thought he was more like 5'8". As far as I know, Eddie Shore was an even six feet, making him a big man for his era. Cleghorn at 5'10" would actually be slightly above average, I think, but I'd like to see some kind of link.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 11:53 AM
Hmmm...ok. I couldn't find any listing of Cleghorn's size, but I did find a picture of the 24-25 Habs:

http://www.classicauctions.net/Portals/3/classicauctions/17/598.jpg

I'm fairly certain Sprague is the guy two to the right of Vezina (obviously the goalie in the middle). He looks like he's...yeah...a bit above average in size. Ok, I stand corrected. Nevertheless, not quite the bruiser that Stevens was.

pitseleh
03-28-2008, 11:55 AM
Hockeydb lists Cleghorn at 5'10.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=1024

Ultimate Hockey has sizes as well (they're usually similar to hockeydb though), I can check it when I get home from school.

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 11:57 AM
Hockeydb lists Cleghorn at 5'10.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=1024

Ultimate Hockey has sizes as well (they're usually similar to hockeydb though), I can check it when I get home from school.
His Legends of Hockey bio refers to him as the original "Big Train." So I think there's something to the 5'10" listing.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 11:59 AM
Hockeydb lists Cleghorn at 5'10.

I don't entirely trust their size listings (I can't really mention specifics right now), which is I guess why I skipped looking there, entirely. Still, it appears to be correct in this case.

Roger's Pancreas*
03-28-2008, 12:19 PM
Hmmm...then I can think of another prominent defenseman you won't be drafting.It's a non-issue. Chiclets will be drafted by the time my next pick rolls around.Hmmm...ok. I couldn't find any listing of Cleghorn's size, but I did find a picture of the 24-25 Habs:

http://www.classicauctions.net/Portals/3/classicauctions/17/598.jpg

I'm fairly certain Sprague is the guy two to the right of ***** (obviously the goalie in the middle). He looks like he's...yeah...a bit above average in size. Ok, I stand corrected. Nevertheless, not quite the bruiser that Stevens was.***** hasn't been drafted yet.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 12:22 PM
Now that I'm done being wrong about Sprague Cleghorn's jersey size, I have a question/request about playoff format and such.

1. I think clearly we are going with a full 32 team playoff format in ATD#9, though I'd like to open up a discussion about whether or not that is really a good thing. In future drafts, I wouldn't mind capping the number of teams at 30 and setting up a "true NHL system" with 2 conferences, 3 divisions of 5 each per conference and 8 playoff teams per conference. Pros and cons as I see it:

Pro:

- well, it's a real NHL system, which I think is obviously a good thing.

- the current system in which all teams make the playoffs seems to overvalue guys with good playoff records and undervalue regular season performance, which I feel is rather bush-league, to be quite frank. The "ATD regular season" should be meaningful in some way, and right now it's really not (especially with 32 teams and no 1st round byes).

- we're not exactly a Cinderella league, people. All those bottom seeds in the playoffs are out after the 1st or 2nd round, anyway.

Con:

- fewer teams in the playoffs may mean less voting. The consistency of our voting is pretty disappointing, anyway, and eliminating half the teams in the regular season may make the problem worse.

Oh, and one other thing...can we please not stick with BM's seeding/matchup system this time around in which home ice in the semis and finals is determined by total votes and not by division seeding. I thought it was patently ridiculous that a #2 seed would have home ice over a #1 seed. Total votes should be the tiebreaker between even seeds, not the first determining factor.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 12:24 PM
***** hasn't been drafted yet.

Thanks, Pancreas. I hate it when that happens.

Evil Sather
03-28-2008, 12:24 PM
Bourque isn't small not because he's 5'11" which is undeniably short for a defenseman, but because he hovered in the 210-225 range his career; he was a bowling ball. Just my .02

Pwnasaurus
03-28-2008, 12:28 PM
Playoffs. He was money in the post-season. Four rings. Big part of three of them. Why is Billy Smith picked so high, even though he topped 50 games played in the regular season once in his career? Playoffs. Why is Turk Broda always picked so high? Playoffs.

Bower's regular season numbers are impressive. His trophy case would be more impressive if it weren't for his competition. I think every No. 1 goalie in the league in Bower's prime - early-to-mid 60s - is in the HHOF. Just winning a Vezina, or getting a first-team all-star birth in that stretch was HHOF-worthy.


And a Retro Conn Smythe :)

But yeah, like GBC said, I'd put his run from 61-64 or around that time up there with just about any playoff goalie run of those selected immediately before him.

Evil Sather
03-28-2008, 12:29 PM
Would like to trade down from 76 + whatever for a lower 3rd and a 4th.

Roger's Pancreas*
03-28-2008, 12:31 PM
I'm not a fan of the 16 team scheme you're suggesting. After investing so much time in the draft, it would be a kick in the scrote to any GM who winds up watching from the outside in. A few too many of those,and whose to say this GM doesn't just quit participating altogether, nevermind voting?

What about keeping track of wins and losses from one draft to the next? Over time, establish seeding that way, with the better drafting general managers being pit against one another for the sake of parity.

Pwnasaurus
03-28-2008, 12:33 PM
What about keeping track of wins and losses from one draft to the next? Over time, establish seeding that way, with the better drafting general managers being pit against one another for the sake of parity.

Me likey

Pwnasaurus
03-28-2008, 12:36 PM
lada selects D sprague cleghorn.

Near the top of my list of guys I would have loved to have seen play

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 12:41 PM
I'm not a fan of the 16 team scheme you're suggesting. After investing so much time in the draft, it would be a kick in the scrote to any GM who winds up watching from the outside in. A few too many of those,and whose to say this GM doesn't just quit participating altogether, nevermind voting?

What about keeping track of wins and losses from one draft to the next? Over time, establish seeding that way, with the better drafting general managers being pit against one another for the sake of parity.

And then perhaps a replay of the 1970 Cup Finals?

I'm against it, but I'm for the dialogue.

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 12:48 PM
I like the format the way it is. If we were playing for money, or some sort of trophy, I'd say have a 16-team playoff. But it's a fun thing. I don't mind every team making the playoffs.

The one thing I would support is capping the draft. If we're happy with 32, then we cap it at 32. If we find that this thing drags, go back to 28, cap it at 28, and move on. The GMs who consistently hold this thing up will be given the boot, or forced to be co-GMs.

A quick reminder to all GMs: if you know you're not going to be around for a few hours, and your pick is coming up (say, five or six picks away), PM your pick to a reliable colleague. Guys like pit, Eagle, MXD, pappy, TC and myself are around regularly, and we're trustworthy, too. If you don't PM your pick, you're being selfish, and you're hurting the other GMs in the draft.

Roger's Pancreas*
03-28-2008, 12:52 PM
And then perhaps a replay of the 1970 Cup Finals?

I'm against it, but I'm for the dialogue.How so? With the ATD powerhouses facing one another at an early stage, it gives a better chance of something unpredictable happening. The winner will advance through the competition until the Finals where the top teams will face against one another (like usual), but the newer general managers will have had the opportunity to establish credibility for the future drafts. Besides, this would only affecting playoff seeding, not the actual draft order.

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 12:55 PM
How so? With the ATD powerhouses facing one another at an early stage, it gives a better chance of something unpredictable happening. The winner will advance through the competition until the Finals where the top teams will face against one another (like usual), but the newer general managers will have had the opportunity to establish credibility for the future drafts. Besides, this would only affecting playoff seeding, not the actual draft order.
Best teams should face the best teams in the final, though. I don't want to see pappy vs. pit, or Eagle vs. HO (once HO returns) in the first round, unless one of those GMs doesn't ice a good team. You should be rewarded for icing a consistently strong team, not punished for it by being forced to play a fellow top GM.

monster_bertuzzi
03-28-2008, 01:20 PM
Richard is an interesting pick. Brings a lot for sure...But I feel like, except under some specific circumstances (see Castors de Sherbrooke, ATD 8) he should never go above, well, an undrafted-yet center. Good thing for you monster_bertuzzi, Richard never hurts you. It's just that I feel there's one guy who brings kindof the same thing... and even more. Wouldn't file it under bad pick, but...

I wanted a premiere playmaking 1st line centre. I think I know who you're talking about...active player?


You sound pretty foolish too considering Richard was ranked in the 20's by THN, and as mentioned - praised by his peers.

Roger's Pancreas*
03-28-2008, 01:28 PM
Best teams should face the best teams in the final, though.They will. It's just that the weaker teams will stand a better chance of hanging around for another round, before being eliminated (as opposed to being fed to the wolves from the very beginning). The way things are right now, we might as well adopt a 16 team playoff format, and save ourselves the time of voting on the first round. It's that predictable.

Winning Formula
Vintage +
Modern -
North American+
Euros -I don't want to see pappy vs. pit, or Eagle vs. HO (once HO returns) in the first round, unless one of those GMs doesn't ice a good team. You should be rewarded for icing a consistently strong team, not punished for it by being forced to play a fellow top GM.It happened to John and myself last draft. It'll probably happen again this draft. The only thing that'll change is when the good teams meet each other in the playoffs.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 01:29 PM
I wonder what's keeping Jungo? It's 19:30 here in Germany. Perfectly reasonable time to be home from work and too early to go out. I'm sure he'll be around shortly, though.

raleh
03-28-2008, 01:30 PM
I love Cleghorn, but two drafts ago I picked him. He was my number one guy. Then once the playoffs started he kept getting suspended. He got no points and missed half the games. Probably because voters said his temper would hurt my team. I also had the Rocket on that team and a few other guys with bad tempers so maybe it was the team as a whole, but Sprague kept getting kicked out!

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 01:31 PM
I wanted a premiere playmaking 1st line centre. I think I know who you're talking about...active player?


You sound pretty foolish too considering Richard was ranked in the 20's by THN, and as mentioned - praised by his peers.
I had Richard at No. 34 on my Top 100 list. Ahead of Sakic, Yzerman and Apps. I put a lot of stock into Phil Esposito's statement that the Pocket Rocket was the best centre Espo ever played against. H. Richard was so smart, so savvy, and such a good two-way centre. He wasn't physical, but he played bigger than his size, played aggressive, and wasn't afraid to take a hit to make a play.

My only concern about picking Richard so soon is that he strikes me as the prototypical second line centre. Had him once as my first line guy. I went out in the second round. I have doubts about his ability to shoulder the offensive load that's required as a No. 1 centre. But as a No. 2 centre, he'd be the class of the draft. Only one or two other centres who are in Richard's class for a No. 2.

MXD
03-28-2008, 01:35 PM
I wanted a premiere playmaking 1st line centre. I think I know who you're talking about...active player?


You sound pretty foolish too considering Richard was ranked in the 20's by THN, and as mentioned - praised by his peers.

The guy I was referring to was Syl Apps Sr.

I drafted Richard last draft. For my first line spot. That can be explained by the fact I had back to back picks giving me a chance to reunite an historical line.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 01:45 PM
You sound pretty foolish too considering Richard was ranked in the 20's by THN

To be honest, I'm way past caring about that THN list. They pulled some real boners there, and furthermore, it's irrelevant to the actual construction of a team. Nothing wrong with where you took Henri; he was an excellent player, but I don't need Don Cherry and Stan Fischler to tell me that.

MXD
03-28-2008, 01:49 PM
They will. It's just that the weaker teams will stand a better chance of hanging around for another round, before being eliminated (as opposed to being fed to the wolves from the very beginning). The way things are right now, we might as well adopt a 16 team playoff format, and save ourselves the time of voting on the first round. It's that predictable.

Winning Formula
Vintage +
Modern -
North American+
Euros -It happened to John and myself last draft. It'll probably happen again this draft. The only thing that'll change is when the good teams meet each other in the playoffs.

Well... It's just that when a guy is the best hockey player of his era (or the best player for a certain time), he deserves to be recognized. This said, it's not like everybody think Milt Schmidt* or Newsy Lalonde should be considered equals to Wayne Gretzky.

* I'm not sure on Schimdt being the best hockey player at anytime in his career. But he was for sure the best at his position for a while. Comparing Schmidt to Gretz is also much easier than comparing ******* ******* to Gretz considering they played the same position.

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 02:12 PM
To be honest, I'm way past caring about that THN list. They pulled some real boners there, and furthermore, it's irrelevant to the actual construction of a team. Nothing wrong with where you took Henri; he was an excellent player, but I don't need Don Cherry and Stan Fischler to tell me that.
The more you look back at that list (compiled in 1996) the better it looks. I don't agree with a lot of the picks. But when you look at other lists, you begin to realize that THN did a pretty good job. (Although I think the History of Hockey forum is compiling a list that could give them a run for their money).

God Bless Canada
03-28-2008, 02:14 PM
Does LAX realize that he and Jungosi are up?

Memo to all co-GMs: you need to be sure that you're in constant communication. Especially if you're picking early or late in a round. The guys who open and close out rounds are the most important ones in the draft, because they're the ones who determine how quickly this thing goes. If you're in a co-GM position, both guys need to know well in advance who they're going to pick.

nik jr
03-28-2008, 02:31 PM
Does LAX realize that he and Jungosi are up?

Memo to all co-GMs: you need to be sure that you're in constant communication. Especially if you're picking early or late in a round. The guys who open and close out rounds are the most important ones in the draft, because they're the ones who determine how quickly this thing goes. If you're in a co-GM position, both guys need to know well in advance who they're going to pick.

i PMed both LAX and Jungosi.

Jungosi
03-28-2008, 02:42 PM
Selection in a few minutes , I'm three-quaters death from training camp.

Jungosi
03-28-2008, 02:48 PM
Nordiques pick Chuck Gardiner and Dickie Moore. Gardiner might appear a bit early but the run on goaltenders is pretty big this time.

Pwnasaurus
03-28-2008, 02:50 PM
Nordiques pick Chuck Gardiner and Dickie Moore. Gardiner might appear a bit early but the run on goaltenders is pretty big this time.

Gardiner is an excellent selection albeit probably earlier than expected. The Scouts were targeting him with the 82nd pick if we didn't trade up. Now I'm glad we did.

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 02:50 PM
Selection in a few minutes , I'm three-quaters death from training camp.

Are you just starting your military service, Jungosi, or is this something more tame like training for the upcoming fussbal season?

Jungosi
03-28-2008, 02:51 PM
Are you just starting your military service, Jungosi, or is this something more tame like training for the upcoming fussbal season?

Handball , we have holiday at the moment and are preparing for the upcoming championship.

pappyline
03-28-2008, 02:57 PM
Gardiner is an excellent selection albeit probably earlier than expected. The Scouts were targeting him with the 82nd pick if we didn't trade up. Now I'm glad we did.
I guess I had no chance of getting Gardiner at # 85 then. He was the only goalie I really wanted so I will now follow my usual pattern of being one of the last to pick a goalie. Moore is also a damn good pick.

nik jr
03-28-2008, 02:59 PM
so many different directions to go....

lada selects RW bill cook.

Pwnasaurus
03-28-2008, 03:00 PM
Moore is also a damn good pick.

Agreed. I had him the only other time I participated in an ATD. He gets overshadowed on those teams a bit, but when I watch the games he always stands out.

Hawkman
03-28-2008, 03:01 PM
Moore is also a damn good pick.Agreed. I made a list of my top 35 forwards before the draft and he was the last LW left. :)

Spitfire11
03-28-2008, 03:29 PM
Cook is also a good pick, I was wondering if I'd get a chance to take him. There was one of the old coaches that said Bill was better than Richard and Howe....I'll try to dig up the quote, just read it in one of my old hockey books last night. He didn't even start his NHL career until he was 30, an age that meant the end of most careers back then.

nik jr
03-28-2008, 03:40 PM
Cook is also a good pick, I was wondering if I'd get a chance to take him. There was one of the old coaches that said Bill was better than Richard and Howe....I'll try to dig up the quote, just read it in one of my old hockey books last night. He didn't even start his NHL career until he was 30, an age that meant the end of most careers back then.

i think it was a former teammate who became a coach.

it was a hard decision. i didn't even really think of cook until today. there were about 5 players i was struggling to choose from. then moore was taken, and the other forwards didn't have the same physical element that cook does. i had planned on another D, but i picked cook since gretzky could use an elite winger, and b/c a writer once said that the soviet passing game that astonished canadians reminded him of cook and his linemates.

pappyline
03-28-2008, 03:41 PM
Chuck Gardiner's stock sure keeps rising. I selected him at #265 in draft # 6 and remember being critized for having him as my #1 goalie. In draft # 7 he went at
#120, in 8 at 89, and now at # 64. I think also he was on the championship team in one ATD.

Pwnasaurus
03-28-2008, 03:45 PM
Chuck Gardiner's stock sure keeps rising. I selected him at #265 in draft # 6 and remember being critized for having him as my #1 goalie. In draft # 7 he went at
#120, in 8 at 89, and now at # 64. I think also he was on the championship team in one ATD.

He must have impressed scouts in his workout this time around....

I think it has to do with a couple of things

1. More teams added, more people searching for a #1 goaltender will probably push a bunch of the goalies a bit higher (the 1st couple rounders and the lower 32 not withstanding)

2. I wasn't around for the last ATD but I imagine people who draft him are making further arguments for extrapolating his career were it not for his untimely death

Sturminator
03-28-2008, 03:46 PM
There was one of the old coaches that said Bill was better than Richard and Howe.

I'm pretty sure it was one of Bill's old linemates, actually - later a pretty good coach. I take praise exchanged between teammates with a real grain of salt. Old buddies are always blowing sunshine up each other's *****.

In ATD#8, we got to hear how Bill Cook was better than Guy Lafleur. Put that guy on a line with Newsy Lalonde and even Aki Berg couldn't ****ing stop them.

edit: not trying to rag on Bill Cook, but on the idea that what teammates say about each other is worth mentioning. Gretzky once called his goalie the best of all-time. Dunno about that one.

Spitfire11
03-28-2008, 03:51 PM
I'm pretty sure it was one of Bill's old linemates, actually - later a pretty good coach. I take praise exchanged between teammates with a real grain of salt. Old buddies are always blowing sunshine up each other's *****.

Ah yes it was him. I agree of course about players praising their former teammates, just throwing it out there.

In ATD#8, we got to hear how Bill Cook was better than Guy Lafleur. Put that guy on a line with Newsy Lalonde and even Aki Berg couldn't ****ing stop them.

They'd be good, but let's not get carried away here...

MXD
03-28-2008, 04:05 PM
Nordiques pick Chuck Gardiner and Dickie Moore. Gardiner might appear a bit early but the run on goaltenders is pretty big this time.

SACRAMENT.

As if it would surprise anybody, the Wanderers are looking to trade down.

shawnmullin
03-28-2008, 04:10 PM
I knew Gardiner would get picked higher again this time. Great goalie with a short peak.

Nalyd Psycho
03-28-2008, 04:28 PM
I updated the trades on the main page so they are standardized, doesn't it look nice.

(Yes, I'm fishing for compliments, wanna fight about it?)

BlueBleeder
03-28-2008, 04:38 PM
Moore is a great pick. Was between him and Smith before i traded #55 away.

nik jr
03-28-2008, 04:40 PM
Gretzky once called his goalie the best of all-time. Dunno about that one.

gretzky says that kind of thing about a lot of players. he called an active forward top 5 all time.

reckoning
03-28-2008, 04:42 PM
Ottawa 67s select King Clancy.

MXD
03-28-2008, 04:43 PM
The Montreal Wanderers selects Phantom Joe Malone

...That was probably the fastest pick ever.

Nalyd Psycho
03-28-2008, 04:57 PM
Nice pick, great chemistry with Lalonde.

nik jr
03-28-2008, 05:00 PM
Ottawa 67s select King Clancy.

The Montreal Wanderers selects Phantom Joe Malone

those are 2 i was mulling over for a long time. clancy i decided was too small, despite his other great strengths.
malone is about as good offensively as lalonde, but i preferred cook for his physical play, considering cook's roughly equal level of offense.

LapierreSports
03-28-2008, 05:06 PM
Thanks for announcing our pick Max. We are happy to bring one of the most prolific goal scorers ever to play the game on our squad.

Newsy Lalonde holds the record for the most goals scored by a professional hockey player in the first half century, Phantom Joe Malone is second.

Hawkman
03-28-2008, 05:14 PM
Good picks so far in round 3. The picks listed below will define the Eagle's first team very quickly. It will be fun to watch.

82.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons -
83.Nalyd Psycho & FissionFire- Minnesota Fighting Saints -
84.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons -
85.pappyline - Buffalo Bisons
86.Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
87.Eagle Belfour - Detroit Falcons

pitseleh
03-28-2008, 05:44 PM
Chuck Gardiner's stock sure keeps rising. I selected him at #265 in draft # 6 and remember being critized for having him as my #1 goalie. In draft # 7 he went at
#120, in 8 at 89, and now at # 64. I think also he was on the championship team in one ATD.

He was kruezer's goalie when the Metropolitans played the Clippers in the finals.

I'm a huge Chuck Gardiner fan, though I am surprised he went before a goalie that hasn't been selected yet. He's a similar player to Bernie Parent, both who had tremendous peaks and their careers (and in Gardiner's case, life) shortened. I'd take Parent before him, but I think there are parallels.

Ottawa 67s select King Clancy.

Nice to see Clancy going earlier than before. Despite the size issues, he was a big time competitor and a top-notch offensive defenseman (arguably top-5, definitely top-10, IMO).

Transplanted Caper
03-28-2008, 06:04 PM
Ottawa 67s select King Clancy.

Always nice to get both the you want. Great picks reck.

raleh
03-28-2008, 06:10 PM
He was kruezer's goalie when the Metropolitans played the Clippers in the finals.

I'm a huge Chuck Gardiner fan, though I am surprised he went before a goalie that hasn't been selected yet. He's a similar player to Bernie Parent, both who had tremendous peaks and their careers (and in Gardiner's case, life) shortened. I'd take Parent before him, but I think there are parallels.



Nice to see Clancy going earlier than before. Despite the size issues, he was a big time competitor and a top-notch offensive defenseman (arguably top-5, definitely top-10, IMO).

...where he ran into Glenn Hall which was the difference, was it not?

Nalyd Psycho
03-28-2008, 06:11 PM
...where he ran into Glenn Hall which was the difference, was it not?

Seibert won MVP that time...

raleh
03-28-2008, 06:20 PM
Seibert won MVP that time...

True enough. Isn't that the draft that we made our sweet trade after you drafted my back-up goalie?

nik jr
03-28-2008, 06:21 PM
Nice to see Clancy going earlier than before. Despite the size issues, he was a big time competitor and a top-notch offensive defenseman (arguably top-5, definitely top-10, IMO).
imo, an earlier, maybe better, version of pilote. his tiny size is his only weakness.

reckoning picking clancy was also shrewd b/c eddie shore is in his division, and clancy was shore's nemesis. i really wanted to pick clancy for the same reason, but chickened out.

John Flyers Fan
03-28-2008, 06:28 PM
I am still looking to aquire a pick in the very near future.

Nalyd Psycho
03-28-2008, 06:36 PM
True enough. Isn't that the draft that we made our sweet trade after you drafted my back-up goalie?

Yup. One of the more controversial trades in this draft, because it was 1 for 1 and thus not "fair" picks wise, but talent wise it was.

Leaf Lander
03-28-2008, 08:11 PM
To be honest, I'm way past caring about that THN list. They pulled some real boners there, and furthermore, it's irrelevant to the actual construction of a team. Nothing wrong with where you took Henri; he was an excellent player, but I don't need Don Cherry and Stan Fischler to tell me that.

They had alot of oldtimers help make up the list as well milt dunnel red story red fisher lorne carr and im sure many more..

considering that they were the first to do a top 100 list i think that they did aadmirable job

and this draft was born out of the top 100 players list. So we owe the hockeynews and the people who help make that famous firs ttop 100 list a debt of gratitude imo.

seventieslord
03-28-2008, 09:38 PM
The more you look back at that list (compiled in 1996) the better it looks. I don't agree with a lot of the picks. But when you look at other lists, you begin to realize that THN did a pretty good job. (Although I think the History of Hockey forum is compiling a list that could give them a run for their money).

I find it to be far superior, and not just because it's updated. The amount of careful consideration that is going into this list is just unreal.

FissionFire
03-28-2008, 09:48 PM
I find it to be far superior, and not just because it's updated. The amount of careful consideration that is going into this list is just unreal.

It's really been unreal how much that project came together. The updates should be outstanding, espeically when some of the people who couldn't get involved this time around will be able to take part. I just hope it grows and more people want to get involved instead of the attitude that some people usually get that there are "haves" and "have nots" on that forum so they don't bother taking part.

Nalyd Psycho
03-28-2008, 10:33 PM
Have VanI and FI been pmed? They've only got about 2 hours before they're picks up...

arrbez
03-28-2008, 10:37 PM
What's the time limit at? 9 hours?

Nalyd Psycho
03-28-2008, 10:44 PM
8 hours

chaosrevolver
03-28-2008, 10:45 PM
Yeah he has till 1:43 I believe.

Roger's Pancreas*
03-28-2008, 10:50 PM
Is the next poster available?

MXD
03-28-2008, 10:54 PM
I PM'ed both VI and FI

Nalyd Psycho
03-29-2008, 01:09 AM
Kingston's pick has been skipped, VanIslander and Frightened Inmate #2 have been informed and McLovin has been informed that he is on the clock.

Hawkman
03-29-2008, 01:09 AM
Yeah he has till 1:43 I believe.McLovin - Montreal Maroons has until 9:43 ET. 8:43 CT. I pmed him. I'm not having as much fun as I thought I would.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 01:33 AM
Nalyd, on the trade listings, you're missing the trade between McLovin and JFF.

McLovin - Montreal Maroons has until 9:43 ET. 8:43 CT. I pmed him. I'm not having as much fun as I thought I would.

Believe me, it's a lot more fun when we're rattling off picks. Hopefully with the weekend we can make some solid progress. Remember to send lists if you're not going to be around.

Nalyd Psycho
03-29-2008, 01:36 AM
What was the trade?

Sturminator
03-29-2008, 01:39 AM
I'm not having as much fun as I thought I would.

Just start mercilessly ripping into other people's picks. It's the surest cure for boredom.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 01:40 AM
What was the trade?

They swapped 2nd, 3rd, and 13th round picks.

shawnmullin
03-29-2008, 02:18 AM
geez rare Van wouldn't be ready for a pick.

VanIslander
03-29-2008, 02:18 AM
FI#2 and I both concur that the newest Paladin ought to be and shall be a big gamer in Grant Fuhr

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/33-67/33-67922-F.jpg

God Bless Canada
03-29-2008, 02:22 AM
McLovin - Montreal Maroons has until 9:43 ET. 8:43 CT. I pmed him. I'm not having as much fun as I thought I would.
Yeah, well it's not fun when co-GMs don't communicate. Co-GMs should know who they're going to pick, and they should have a plan B and a plan C. Trust me. I've been doing this co-GM thing for a while. raleh (and Murphy before him) and I always have back-up plans.

It's not fun when GMs don't respect their fellow GMs and fail to PM their lists when they know damn well their pick is a few slots away.

And it's not fun when GMs take this thing too seriously, and decide to use their full time window (or abuse the absence of the time window) to decide on a trade offer, or decide which player they're going to pick. It's for fun. You shouldn't need more than 30 seconds to decide which player you want. Especially if you're a veteran GM. You should know by now who's worthy of being picked at a certain point, and who isn't.

This is supposed to be for fun. When is this fun? When we're making picks. Period. It's not fun while waiting for guys to decide on trade offers. We've had one day with more than a dozen picks. In the last couple drafts, 12 days was the norm, not exceptional.

We have done the last four drafts in two months. If we aren't back on the two-month pace soon, I'll be motioning for a four-hour window. That should teach a few people the importance of PM'ing a pick.

VanIslander
03-29-2008, 02:23 AM
I have EARNED the right to take an unexpected trip to Seoul without going out of my way to find a computer

what is NOT fun is checking in and reading criticisms

this is for fun

if someone misses their time window three times kick them out: in the meantime keep your criticisms to yourself... we have a life and unexpected situations arise

Nalyd Psycho
03-29-2008, 02:31 AM
And it's not fun when GMs take this thing too seriously, and decide to use their full time window (or abuse the absence of the time window) to decide on a trade offer, or decide which player they're going to pick. It's for fun. You shouldn't need more than 30 seconds to decide which player you want. Especially if you're a veteran GM. You should know by now who's worthy of being picked at a certain point, and who isn't.

Speaking of taking things too seriously, delays happen, so what.

If anything, that's why Co-GM is great because you can use the extra time to discuss and plan strategies and future picks.

FissionFire
03-29-2008, 02:38 AM
Life happens man. Relax. It's only the internet.

Gibsons Finest
03-29-2008, 03:02 AM
Well, I guess I can make my pick without feeling bad about skipping over VI and FI#2 and possibly taking their guy. Anyway, the Montreal Maroons are proud to select D Borje Salming.

ck26
03-29-2008, 03:05 AM
FI#2 and I both concur that the newest Paladin ought to be and shall be a big gamer in Grant Fuhr

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/33-67/33-67922-F.jpgOne of the more controversial goaltenders of all time. His greatness is hard to pin down ... certainly a goaltender who won lots of big games, but one who was never even close to the best player on his team.

If we polled everybody, many would find he has slipped a few spots lower in the draft than he should. I personally think there are 2 or 3 goalies still available who are better than him. I have a strong feeling that how voters feel about Grant Fuhr will have a huge impact on the level of sucess the Kingston Paladins enjoy this season.

shawnmullin
03-29-2008, 03:33 AM
Just for the record I wasn't criticizing just commenting that it's rare... which is mostly just a sign of respect.

BlueBleeder
03-29-2008, 09:09 AM
Damn, I hate waking up to taking two players off my board.

Hawkman
03-29-2008, 09:42 AM
Just start mercilessly ripping into other people's picks. It's the surest cure for boredom.I think it's okay to say it wasn't the best player available at the position. I think I overreacted to the Perreault pick. If it was okay with my Co-GM, I might have taken Newsy Lalonde instead, but that doesn't mean Gilbert was not the best pick for the team. I'm being open minded. For example someone has to take the 32nd goalie. I'm not going to vote against them just because of one player. I'm looking at teams as a whole from 1 to 24 and being fair. :)

Sturminator
03-29-2008, 09:49 AM
I think it's okay to say it wasn't the best player available at the position. I think I overreacted to the Perreault pick. If it was okay with my Co-GM, I might have taken Newsy Lalonde instead, but that doesn't mean Gilbert was not the best pick for the team. I'm being open minded. For example someone has to take the 32nd goalie. I'm not going to vote against them just because of one player. I'm looking at teams as a whole from 1 to 24 and being fair. :)

I wasn't being sarcastic, Johnny - it really is good fun. Some of the most illuminating discussions in these drafts have come out of criticized picks. There is less true consensus here than one might think.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 10:35 AM
I don't think anyone was criticizing you VanI. You're one of the best GMs when it comes to reliability. I think people were more surprised that you weren't making your pick (sort of like the surprise when Murphy wouldn't make a pick within 30 seconds of the pick before him). :)

Sens Rule
03-29-2008, 10:54 AM
What do you experienced GMs do in making a team? Do you have a plan of a team in place or do you make it AFTER you know your draft position in round 1? Knowing you get a top 4 pick and one of Mario, Gretzky, Howe or Orr gives you a different perspective on who you will build the team around then if you had pick 20 or 30?

Or do you start to get a feel on how you will build your team after you make a couple of picks? Knowing the top 2 or 3 players (and especially goalie) you have?

As a first timer... it is hard to get to know if you want a run and gun team... a super defensive team or a hard nosed rough team until you know who you are going to get.

My Philosophy was to pick the best player available. I went with Lidstrom first as I thought there was and was going to be (there actually was) a run on defencemen. Then to pick the next best availabe player who was not a defenceman in Jagr at 41.

Now I need character. And really have to look at being a really good puck moving team that has a high octane offence I think. I can't be a team nearly completely based on stopping the other team with those 2 as my first 2 picks.

Anyway do you experienced ATDers have a set plan before the draft even starts or do you continually build up your plan as you go through a few rounds and have to take who is available?

I started to make a long list of players and realized there are so many great players to build a team around even after the first 100-150 players... you can indeed build a team... almost any kind of style team you want with your later picks using quality players. Maybe that is why some of you have kept trading higher picks to get more picks earlier in the draft?

Anyway filling some time as the picks go slowly.

Hedberg
03-29-2008, 10:56 AM
Trade

To Detroit Falcons: #73/#137/#201

To Victoria Salmon Kings: #82/#125/#189

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 10:58 AM
Trade

To Detroit Falcons: #73/#137/#201

To Victoria Salmon Kings: #82/#125/#189

I accept.

FissionFire
03-29-2008, 10:58 AM
I think your plans for the team evolve based on who you select in the first 3 or 4 rounds and how your division shapes up. I'd also think that whichever coach you draft would be an important factor as well.

God Bless Canada
03-29-2008, 11:17 AM
Monster Bertuzzi's time is up. Spitfire is now on the clock.

For the record, my comments weren't targeted at anyone specifically, more a result of frustration with the fact that after 10 days, we seem to be stuck in neutral. A lot of factors contributed to my rant. Frankly, I've been bored with the draft so far, thanks to the pace (except for last Saturday-Monday, when the picks were flying, and it felt like back in past drafts), and life's too short to be bored.

Incidentally, I whole-heartedly respect ck and VanI for their commitment to this thing. If I was in their shoes, an on-line all-time draft - with nobody I've ever met, and no tangible prize waiting for me at the end - would not be an option. I'd be testing the whole "Asian chicks love white guys" theory.

God Bless Canada
03-29-2008, 11:35 AM
I think your plans for the team evolve based on who you select in the first 3 or 4 rounds and how your division shapes up. I'd also think that whichever coach you draft would be an important factor as well.
raleh and I have our type of team. We like a fast-skating, hard-charging, aggressive, tough, high-character team. That's been the mantra for both of us since we entered the draft, and that's why we work so well together.

As much as I respect pappy (he's probably my favourite GM in the draft), we have very different philosophies on team building, which is why we wouldn't work well together.

Plans do change as the draft progresses. Never thought we would have got Robinson at 28. We were thrilled to get him then. Knew from the start we'd probably get Schmidt at 37. He was the only guy we wanted with that pick, since he's a former RCAF Flyer, and we like our veterans.

We were targeting a goalie with this pick. We really wanted Fuhr. Thanks, VanI and FI2. A little soon for Fuhr, we would have traded up to get him, but not 20-25 spots to get him. So now we're probably not going to look at a goalie for a while. Ain't much left for goalie options who are worthy of being picked at this point. We'll solidify one of our other positions, or simply pick the best guy available. We'll probably put a little more premium on offence, simply because we won't have Johnny Bower to bail us out this time.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 11:48 AM
What do you experienced GMs do in making a team? Do you have a plan of a team in place or do you make it AFTER you know your draft position in round 1? Knowing you get a top 4 pick and one of Mario, Gretzky, Howe or Orr gives you a different perspective on who you will build the team around then if you had pick 20 or 30?


It really depends. I try to go BPA the first couple picks but with positional differences in mind. After that, it depends on who is still around. Sometimes the value is too good to pass a player up and other times I'll pick players to fill out my roster.

I do think it's easier to build around your picks later in the draft than it is earlier without reaching. But you can't neglect your team philosophy when making picks. But philosophy also has implications on how you value players (hence why Messier and Clarke went before Espo).

Spitfire11
03-29-2008, 11:55 AM
Sorry had to think this one over a bit as I wasn't expecting all 3 guys I was looking at to be available.

4 Stanley Cups (1 as captain)
Conn Smythe
Norris
3 1st team all-stars
1 2nd team all-star
Olympic Gold
World Cup winner
World Championship Gold

He's won it all and now has his eyes set on the most elusive of all, a Milt Dunnell Cup.

D Scott Niedermayer

MXD
03-29-2008, 11:57 AM
Eagle Belfour (is he still the Detroit Falcons?) selects the best american netminder of all time.

Frank Brimsek

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 11:58 AM
So now you have two rovers Spit. :D

That's a ridiculous amount of speed between Nieds and Cyclone Taylor.

Pwnasaurus
03-29-2008, 11:58 AM
Awesome pick, just make sure he's into camp on time so you don't have to dump salary mid season. :)

MXD
03-29-2008, 11:58 AM
So now you have two rovers Spit. :D

That's a tremendous amount of speed.

Wait 'till you see the Wanderers unfold...

Pwnasaurus
03-29-2008, 11:59 AM
Eagle Belfour (is he still the Detroit Falcons?) selects the best american netminder of all time.

Frank Brimsek

Saw that one coming with the trade made. Solid pick.

FissionFire
03-29-2008, 12:21 PM
Eagle Belfour (is he still the Detroit Falcons?) selects the best american netminder of all time.

Frank Brimsek

I knew that's what he was after. Was trying to trade up to get him but got beat to it. Great pick.

Incidentally, the 83rd pick is potentially up for adoption if anyone is interested.

ck26
03-29-2008, 12:29 PM
What do you experienced GMs do in making a team? Do you have a plan of a team in place or do you make it AFTER you know your draft position in round 1? Knowing you get a top 4 pick and one of Mario, Gretzky, Howe or Orr gives you a different perspective on who you will build the team around then if you had pick 20 or 30? :shakeheadIncidentally, I whole-heartedly respect ck and VanI for their commitment to this thing. If I was in their shoes, an on-line all-time draft - with nobody I've ever met, and no tangible prize waiting for me at the end - would not be an option. I'd be testing the whole "Asian chicks love white guys" theory.Theory?

They do. :thumbu:

Sens Rule
03-29-2008, 12:41 PM
:shakeheadTheory?

They do. :thumbu:

Or of course you wisely move up to take Harvey at #4. :)

raleh
03-29-2008, 01:28 PM
Please pause the draft. I just made a trade offer to Eagle. Frank Brimsek in exchange for me baking him a cake. Until he confirms nobody can pick.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 01:46 PM
Just to give you guys a heads up, I picked up a pretty fun hockey book last week from a used bookstore called 'The Pictorial History of Hockey'. It's a huge 14x10 book with a lot of quality pictures (and a bit of hockey talk, though nothing you couldn't find anywhere else) starting from the early amateur and college clubs right through to modern times. I'm sure you'd be able to find a lot of the pictures on legendsofhockey.net if you wanted to, but it's nice to have a hard copy of a lot of them too.

It seems to be out of print, but I noticed you can get it used on Amazon for dirt cheap:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1571458395/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1206815835&sr=8-2

if anyone is interested.

MXD
03-29-2008, 01:52 PM
Please pause the draft. I just made a trade offer to Eagle. Frank Brimsek in exchange for me baking him a cake. Until he confirms nobody can pick.

Somebody must find an Ed Belfour picture in a maid suit.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 01:54 PM
Somebody must find an ***** picture in a maid suit.

No undrafted players. ;)

MXD
03-29-2008, 01:57 PM
No undrafted players. ;)

Sorry. I just don't want to see ***** ******* in a maid suit, so I suggested the.... well... his inspiration instead, not to mention that it's probably a lot easier to find picture of the latter. (if we're to blank names, might as well blank nicknames, right?)

Heck, the name has be mentionned at least 15 times since the start of the draft... in fact, every time the Falcons GM has written a post.

I suggest the Falcons GM changes his name to ***** ****** until ... his inspiration gets drafted.

Or Billion Dollar Man could do the job as well.

seventieslord
03-29-2008, 02:04 PM
I think it's okay to say it wasn't the best player available at the position. I think I overreacted to the Perreault pick. If it was okay with my Co-GM, I might have taken Newsy Lalonde instead, but that doesn't mean Gilbert was not the best pick for the team. I'm being open minded. For example someone has to take the 32nd goalie. I'm not going to vote against them just because of one player. I'm looking at teams as a whole from 1 to 24 and being fair. :)

In a couple rounds, though, I'd still like to hear who the other 6 are that you'd have taken ahead of Perreault :)

God Bless Canada
03-29-2008, 02:07 PM
I knew Eagle was going for Brimsek right away, too. Nice trade to move up, simply because he's the last top-notch goalie out there. I think there's a drop-off from Brimsek to the next guy on my list, and it's the first time I've said there is a drop-off for goalies in this draft. Still, as BM proved last draft, you can certainly win with a second or third-tier goalie.

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 02:09 PM
Could a moderator put some ********* on my name, because everytime I post, a name of an undraft player comes up :).

I feel Frank Brimsek is one of the biggest steal of the draft so far. Not because of his position, but more because he's the 17th goaltender selected. I said in the last ATD when I got him and I say it again: Brimsek is one of the 10 best goaltender to ever play the game. Don't worry, I'm not throwing it in the air, I will rest my case when time is due.

It's funny, I traded down, THEN up for both of my selection. But both of them would of been selected before I picked, so I feel I've made some smart move :)

BTW, I will also order the book. Amazon is certainly the best place to find book at a very low price.

BlueBleeder
03-29-2008, 02:20 PM
St Louis is pleased to reunite C Elmer Lach with the Rocket.

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 02:22 PM
St Louis is pleased to reunite C Elmer Lach with the Rocket.

HAA! Should of known he wouldn't last in the 80's. Amazing pick.

God Bless Canada
03-29-2008, 02:26 PM
Does anyone have arrbez's pick?

I should be around all afternoon, and into the evening (until about 10 p.m. EST), if anyone needs to send me a list.

MXD
03-29-2008, 02:36 PM
Does anyone have arrbez's pick?

I should be around all afternoon, and into the evening (until about 10 p.m. EST), if anyone needs to send me a list.

I'm pretty sure I know who he'll pick, but that just... doesn't count.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 02:42 PM
Sorry. I just don't want to see ***** ******* in a maid suit, so I suggested the.... well... his inspiration instead, not to mention that it's probably a lot easier to find picture of the latter. (if we're to blank names, might as well blank nicknames, right?)

Heck, the name has be mentionned at least 15 times since the start of the draft... in fact, every time the Falcons GM has written a post.

I suggest the Falcons GM changes his name to ***** ****** until ... his inspiration gets drafted.

Or Billion Dollar Man could do the job as well.

Heh, yeah, I was half kidding. Middleton isn't allowed to post in the ATD thread any more. Same with Sturminator (watch out, Marco will be mine).

Brimsek is a very good pick. He was the guy I was hinting about when Gardiner was picked. I have him just outside the top-10 for goalies, so to get him this late is a good job.

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 02:58 PM
I'm trying to find goaltenders statistics from the 40's. Hockeydb is missing a lot of goaltending statistics from that decade.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 03:02 PM
I'm trying to find goaltenders statistics from the 40's. Hockeydb is missing a lot of goaltending statistics from that decade.

I think legendsofhockey.net is your best bet.

Leaf Lander
03-29-2008, 03:03 PM
I'm trying to find goaltenders statistics from the 40's. Hockeydb is missing a lot of goaltending statistics from that decade.

try a goalie website

MXD
03-29-2008, 03:13 PM
I'm trying to find goaltenders statistics from the 40's. Hockeydb is missing a lot of goaltending statistics from that decade.

hockeygoalies.org

Doctor No's website.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 03:14 PM
try a goalie website

Duh, how did I forget? Doctor No's goalie website is excellent for that stuff: http://hockeygoalies.org/

EDIT: Beaten by MXD.

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Duh, how did I forget? Doctor No's goalie website is excellent for that stuff: http://hockeygoalies.org/

EDIT: Beaten by MXD.

Thanks everyone, I feel stupid for asking the question: two goaltending sites in my favourite :).

raleh
03-29-2008, 03:16 PM
I'm trying to find goaltenders statistics from the 40's. Hockeydb is missing a lot of goaltending statistics from that decade.

Maybe send Doctor No a message.

seventieslord
03-29-2008, 03:17 PM
What do you experienced GMs do in making a team? Do you have a plan of a team in place or do you make it AFTER you know your draft position in round 1? Knowing you get a top 4 pick and one of Mario, Gretzky, Howe or Orr gives you a different perspective on who you will build the team around then if you had pick 20 or 30?

Or do you start to get a feel on how you will build your team after you make a couple of picks? Knowing the top 2 or 3 players (and especially goalie) you have?

As a first timer... it is hard to get to know if you want a run and gun team... a super defensive team or a hard nosed rough team until you know who you are going to get.

My Philosophy was to pick the best player available. I went with Lidstrom first as I thought there was and was going to be (there actually was) a run on defencemen. Then to pick the next best availabe player who was not a defenceman in Jagr at 41.

Now I need character. And really have to look at being a really good puck moving team that has a high octane offence I think. I can't be a team nearly completely based on stopping the other team with those 2 as my first 2 picks.

Anyway do you experienced ATDers have a set plan before the draft even starts or do you continually build up your plan as you go through a few rounds and have to take who is available?

I started to make a long list of players and realized there are so many great players to build a team around even after the first 100-150 players... you can indeed build a team... almost any kind of style team you want with your later picks using quality players. Maybe that is why some of you have kept trading higher picks to get more picks earlier in the draft?

Anyway filling some time as the picks go slowly.

In my first draft I picked the BDA, BGA, and BFA with my first three picks and then attempted to build around them. It didn't work. I have more of a "plan" this time and I know vitrually who I want with each pick.

Sturminator
03-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Heh, yeah, I was half kidding. Middleton isn't allowed to post in the ATD thread any more. Same with Sturminator (watch out, Marco will be mine).

Brimsek is a very good pick. He was the guy I was hinting about when Gardiner was picked. I have him just outside the top-10 for goalies, so to get him this late is a good job.

I like Brimsek a lot and agree that he's in the range of the top-10 "real world" goalies, but in the ATD format he'll get cheesed for having less of a playoff record than guys like Bower, Smith, Parent, etc., even though he was the better regular season player.

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 03:45 PM
I like Brimsek a lot and agree that he's in the range of the top-10 "real world" goalies, but in the ATD format he'll get cheesed for having less of a playoff record than guys like Bower, Smith, Parent, etc., even though he was the better regular season player.

I feel his playoff success are very good. When he was in front of a good team (1939-42 Boston Bruins), he made them a great team. They won the championship twice, he posted 20 wins in 34 games, with a GAA of 1.25 (SC), 2.50, 2.04 (SC) and 3.13.

After that, in 1943 and until his career end in 1950, he played with very poor clubs. He was the all-star in very bad teams. He was still able to put them into playoffs in every year except the last one in Chicago, and managed to put equal or lower GAA in 3 of the 5 years, even though competition is way tougher come playoff time. He was the only guy the team could count on, and he was there.

Frank Brimsek, either in regular season or playoffs, thrived with a good team in front of him, and don't worry, I'll take care that he has a good team in front of him.

MXD
03-29-2008, 03:56 PM
I feel his playoff success are very good. When he was in front of a good team (1939-42 Boston Bruins), he made them a great team. They won the championship twice, he posted 20 wins in 34 games, with a GAA of 1.25 (SC), 2.50, 2.04 (SC) and 3.13.

After that, in 1943 and until his career end in 1950, he played with very poor clubs. He was the all-star in very bad teams. He was still able to put them into playoffs in every year except the last one in Chicago, and managed to put equal or lower GAA in 3 of the 5 years, even though competition is way tougher come playoff time. He was the only guy the team could count on, and he was there.

Frank Brimsek, either in regular season or playoffs, thrived with a good team in front of him, and don't worry, I'll take care that he has a good team in front of him.

I agree with this to a certain extent... He shouldn't be blamed for his team failing to score goals, as was the case in 1940.

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 04:17 PM
#1 FRANK BRIMSEK (1915-1998)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9326/60468299wl1.png
1996-97 Parkhurst

5'9 feets, 170 pounds, Catch: Left

Stanley Cup Champion (1939, 1941)
Stanley Cup Finalist (1943, 1946)
First All-Star Team Goalie (1939, 1942)
Second All-Star Team Goalie (1940, 1941, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1948)
Calder Memorial Trophy (1939)
Vezina Trophy (1939, 1942)
Hockey Hall of Fame (1966)


Calder Finalist:
1938-39 *1st*

Hart Finalist:
1941-42 *T-3rd*
1942-43 *5th*
1947-48 *2nd*

Vezina Finalist:
1938-39 *1st*
1939-40 *2nd*
1940-41 *2nd*
1941-42 *1st*
1942-43 *3rd*
1945-46 *2nd*
1946-47 *3rd*
1947-48 *4th*
1948-49 *4th*
1949-50 *6th*

Notes:

He's nicknamed ''Mr.Zero'' because he twice had three consecutive shutouts in his first year as a goalie for the Boston Bruins..
He was well-respected by his peers and *** *** and Frank Selke asserted that Brimsek was the finest goalie during his era. Canadiens and NHL legend Maurice Richard called Brimsek one of the toughest goaltenders he ever faced.
Originally, the Detroit Red Wings claimed an interest in the goaltender. But after showing up for a Red Wings training camp, he decided he wanted no part of the Detroit organization citing **** *****, the intimidating, dictatorial General Manager who "had a bad habit of favoritism", as the reason. (HockeyArchives.info)
Won the George L. Davis Jr Trophy in the Eastern American Hokcey League, given to the goaltender who allowed the fewest goals in the season.
Won the Calder Cup (winners of the International American Hockey League playoffs) in 1938 with the Providence Reds.
On his 2nd, 3rd and 4th games after Cecil Thompson was traded to Detroit for 15 000$, Brimsek registered three shutouts in a row. His shutout streak extended to 231 minutes, 54 seconds, breaking Thompson's modern mark of 224:47
In 1940, he became the first American born goaltender to win the Vezina Trophy.
His career was interrupted from 1943 to 1945 because of the WWII.
Brimsek registered nine 20-win seasons in a 10 years career in the NHL.
He was the first American-born and trained player to dominate the league
He was an original inductee into the United States Hockey Hall of Fame in 1973.
In honor of the Hall of Famer, the Frank Brimsek award is given to the top senior goaltender of Minnesota states, as selected by the panel of scouts and coaches.


Quotes:

"The kid had the fastest hands I ever saw - like lightning." - *** ****


Link:

Articles:
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?type=Player&mem=P196604&list=ByName#photo
http://www.hockeygoalies.org/bio/brimsek.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Brimsek
http://www.hockeyarchives.info/biographies/brimsek-eng.htm

Videos:

Hockey Outsider
03-29-2008, 04:49 PM
I’m back. I think I’ll be better off getting back into my daily routine (including HOF/ATD) as soon as possible.

I wouldn’t say that there have been any blunders so far, but the Yawning Otters took a very controversial goalie quite early. VL, your success will depend on how effectively you can convince your peers that Tretiak can a) withstand the rigors of a lengthy regular and playoff seasons and b) that he can perform at a high level without playing in front of an all-star team (a lot of people bring up Clarke’s comments). I’d say that most of us here have an open mind, though, so you have a fair chance like everyone else.

There weren’t any major steals yet (GMs are too smart to allow anybody to drop too far) but I really like Apps at 62 (I had him in the high 30’s) and Lalonde at 55 (I had him the high 20’s). Brimsek was also great value in the sense that he was the 17th goalie picked. (I had him 12th, but virtually tied with the two goalies above him).

It looks like quite a few teams are trying to re-unite real-life teammates (Leafs, Bisons, Salmon Kings, Eagles). Real-life chemistry is probably useful at the start of the regular season but, by the playoffs, I’d assume that a well-constructed team would have determined their strategies and identified & exploited complementary skills. Howe/Apps is a great example—Howe’s goal-scoring and toughness, Apps’ playmaking and defensive presence, and both of their leadership and strong PO performances, already makes it look like one of the top lines in the league.

It’s far too early to choose any favourites. However, I’ve always been partial to having balanced teams so I really like the Clippers and Scouts. (Actually, I just noticed that in all four of the drafts I’ve participated in (excluding ATD #3, where I took over for somebody halfway), I’ve taken 1 F, 2 D and 1 G in my first four picks each time).

God Bless Canada
03-29-2008, 04:52 PM
I’m back. I think I’ll be better off getting back into my daily routine (including HOF/ATD) as soon as possible.

I wouldn’t say that there have been any blunders so far, but the Yawning Otters took a very controversial goalie quite early. VL, your success will depend on how effectively you can convince your peers that Tretiak can a) withstand the rigors of a lengthy regular and playoff seasons and b) that he can perform at a high level without playing in front of an all-star team (a lot of people bring up Clarke’s comments). I’d say that most of us here have an open mind, though, so you have a fair chance like everyone else.

There weren’t any major steals yet (GMs are too smart to allow anybody to drop too far) but I really like Apps at 62 (I had him in the high 30’s) and Lalonde at 55 (I had him the high 20’s). Brimsek was also great value in the sense that he was the 17th goalie picked. (I had him 12th, but virtually tied with the two goalies above him).

It looks like quite a few teams are trying to re-unite real-life teammates (Leafs, Bisons, Salmon Kings, Eagles). Real-life chemistry is probably useful at the start of the regular season but, by the playoffs, I’d assume that a well-constructed team would have determined their strategies and identified & exploited complementary skills. Howe/Apps is a great example—Howe’s goal-scoring and toughness, Apps’ playmaking and defensive presence, and both of their leadership and strong PO performances, already makes it look like one of the top lines in the league.

It’s far too early to choose any favourites. However, I’ve always been partial to having balanced teams so I really like the Clippers and Scouts. (Actually, I just noticed that in all four of the drafts I’ve participated in (excluding ATD #3, where I took over for somebody halfway), I’ve taken 1 F, 2 D and 1 G in my first four picks each time).
HO, I think I speak for everyone when I say it's great to hear from you, brother. Hope you'll be back in the swing of things eventually.

Roger's Pancreas*
03-29-2008, 04:53 PM
Glad to see you back so soon.

Sturminator
03-29-2008, 04:53 PM
I'm one of Frankie Brimsek's biggest fans, Eagle. Nalyd can tell you that before ATD#8, Brimsek was the guy I wanted to target because I thought he was the best value in ATD#7. He's arguably in the next tier of goalies after the top-7 and I agree that he was a fine playoff goalie. I'm actually not entirely sure why a lot of GMs seem to prefer guys like Smith and Parent to Brimsek, so I can only assume it's a matter of playoff track record. He only had three seasons with a real team in front of him.

Brimsek essentially started his career like Ken Dryden and ended it like the infamous ***** ******. His value falls somewhere in between. Those Bruins should have been a dynasty (and it should be noted that Frankie had a dynasty quality team in front of him the first three seasons), but they were not. Perhaps Brimsek should have been a 1st round goalie, but he is not. Nevertheless, I'd take him over a few of the goalies who were drafted earlier. I'm not one of the GMs who gets completely hung up on playoff stats above all else. Ability and opportunity are seperate questions.

There's not much sense in listing the number of times Brimsek was a "Vezina finalist", by the way. Technically, the worst any starting goalie finished in the Vezina race during Brimsek's age was 7th. You either won the trophy or you didn't; it was a team award, anyway.

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 05:19 PM
I'm one of Frankie Brimsek's biggest fans, Eagle. Nalyd can tell you that before ATD#8, Brimsek was the guy I wanted to target because I thought he was the best value in ATD#7. He's arguably in the next tier of goalies after the top-7 and I agree that he was a fine playoff goalie. I'm actually not entirely sure why a lot of GMs seem to prefer guys like Smith and Parent to Brimsek, so I can only assume it's a matter of playoff track record. He only had three seasons with a real team in front of him.

Brimsek essentially started his career like Ken Dryden and ended it like Rogie Vachon. His value falls somewhere in between. Those Bruins should have been a dynasty (and it should be noted that Frankie had a dynasty quality team in front of him the first three seasons), but they were not. Perhaps Brimsek should have been a 1st round goalie, but he is not. Nevertheless, I'd take him over a few of the goalies who were drafted earlier. I'm not one of the GMs who gets completely hung up on playoff stats above all else. Ability and opportunity are seperate questions.

There's not much sense in listing the number of times Brimsek was a "Vezina finalist", by the way. Technically, the worst any starting goalie finished in the Vezina race during Brimsek's age was 7th. You either won the trophy or you didn't; it was a team award, anyway.

It's true your comment that Brimsek started as a Dryden and finished as a Vachon. I think Brimsek was a dominating goaltender in every years he played minus his last two. Dryden had an all-star team in front of him, played around the same time and no one see a problem taking him in the first round. Then you have Brimsek, who had an all-star team in front him from 1938-39 to 1941-42. In those four years, you get 2 cups, two Vezina trophies, a calder, 115wins in 186 games and a save% below 2.00.

Let's say the war dosn't break and the Krauts, Brimsek and cie can still play in their dominating years from 1943 to 1945. I could very well see the same statistics Brimsek put up in his first fours years. That pretty much look like a Dryden career. I KNOW, he actually didn't accomplished those years, but his second position in the Hart voting in 1948, show he was an amazing goaltender from 1938 to 1948.

And the ''Vezina Finalist'': I know it dosn't value for that much, but I thought it was fun to put them there. No worry, I dosn't take them seriously at all.

At last, nice to hear you HO, hope you contribute the most you can in the following months. I agree with you: Apps is a very nice pickup. He's in my 40's.

Evil Sather
03-29-2008, 05:48 PM
The Ran... Ice trade picks 76 and 117 to the Isotopes for picks 89 and 93. If I don't get my two guys I'm gonna flip.

Sturminator to confirm.

vancityluongo
03-29-2008, 06:16 PM
The Ran... Ice trade picks 76 and 117 to the Isotopes for picks 89 and 93. If I don't get my two guys I'm gonna flip.

Sturminator to confirm.

Intersting. I'm looking to move up now.

Also, really good to see you back HO.

Sturminator
03-29-2008, 06:35 PM
The Ran... Ice trade picks 76 and 117 to the Isotopes for picks 89 and 93. If I don't get my two guys I'm gonna flip.

Sturminator to confirm.

We're flipping 7th round picks, too, Evil. #204 to Springfield for #217. With that in the deal, I confirm.

arrbez
03-29-2008, 06:59 PM
Hey all, just working on a trade with another GM. One of us should be picking shortly

FissionFire
03-29-2008, 07:01 PM
Hey all, just working on a trade with another GM. One of us should be picking shortly

monster_bertuzzi just logged in so you'd better be fast if you want to get in ahead of him.

monster_bertuzzi
03-29-2008, 07:02 PM
C Peter Forsberg.

Evil Sather
03-29-2008, 07:17 PM
Ummm confirmed with the swap of 7ths.

vancityluongo
03-29-2008, 07:29 PM
You MUST PM the GM after you once you have made your pick. Failure to do so will mean banishment by catapult and forfeiting your first round draft pick to Glace Bay....okay maybe not...but please do PM the next GM

Glace Bay eh Nalyd? Haha, just couldn't resist.

arrbez
03-29-2008, 07:30 PM
Trade Announcement between myself and John Flyers Fan

Inglewood trades 75, 139, 331

for

Philly's 81, 134, 315

BlueBleeder
03-29-2008, 07:33 PM
C Peter Forsberg.

Wondered how much longer he would last.

John Flyers Fan
03-29-2008, 07:33 PM
Confirmed.

Philadelphia selects - D - Chris Pronger

ck26
03-29-2008, 07:35 PM
Confirmed.

Philadelphia selects - D - Chris ProngerLowest he's ever been picked. Wonder if his 3 suspensions in the last 2 years affected that.

arrbez
03-29-2008, 07:36 PM
Lowest he's ever been picked. Wonder if his 3 suspensions in the last 2 years affected that.

It's probably his stupid Degrassi hair

Roger's Pancreas*
03-29-2008, 07:38 PM
It's probably his stupid Degrassi hairI don't like his gap-toothed smile.

John Flyers Fan
03-29-2008, 07:41 PM
I think the Philly flu, may make a comeback. When entering the Spectrum bring your hard hats.

Eddie Shore - xxxxxxx
Chris Pronger - xxxxxx

Bernie Parent

God Bless Canada
03-29-2008, 07:42 PM
The suspensions haven't affected his status on my list one bit. He's one of many current players that I think goes too soon in this draft. There were a couple defencemen available who were better, although none of them are six-foot-five.

Sturm traded up to this pick, right? Did he send a list to anyone? Or is he really burning the midnight oil?

John Flyers Fan
03-29-2008, 07:44 PM
The suspensions haven't affected his status on my list one bit. He's one of many current players that I think goes too soon in this draft. There were a couple defencemen available who were better, although none of them are six-foot-five.

There may be a defenseman or two better, although its debateable. None though bring the all-around play combined with size and nastiness that Pronger does.

vancityluongo
03-29-2008, 07:45 PM
Trade Announcement:

To Sturminator and Middleton:

Pick 79 (3rd), Pick 143 (5th), and 271 (9th)


To vcl and W4C:

Pick 76 (3rd), Pick 153 (5th), and 281 (9th).

Pick coming as soon as it's confirmed.

vancityluongo
03-29-2008, 07:48 PM
I don't like his gap-toothed smile.

http://www1.****************/file_thumbview_approve/1413874/2/istockphoto_1413874_horse_teeth.jpg

:sarcasm:

Also, I forgot Sturm probably went to bed. The condition of the trade was that my guy isn't gone...but it seems like he's gone already. Maybe Rick can confirm for him?

God Bless Canada
03-29-2008, 07:49 PM
Trade Announcement:

To Sturminator and Middleton:

Pick 79 (3rd), Pick 143 (5th), and 271 (9th)


To vcl and W4C:

Pick 76 (3rd), Pick 153 (5th), and 281 (9th).

Pick coming as soon as it's confirmed.
If you have a confirmation message from Sturm or RM, you might want to forward it. I'm guessing Sturm has called it a night, and I don't know if RM will be around on a Saturday night.

Roger's Pancreas*
03-29-2008, 08:00 PM
http://www1.****************/file_thumbview_approve/1413874/2/istockphoto_1413874_horse_teeth.jpg

:sarcasm:

Also, I forgot Sturm probably went to bed. The condition of the trade was that my guy isn't gone...but it seems like he's gone already. Maybe Rick can confirm for him?What does Sarah Silverman have to do with the ATD?

Transplanted Caper
03-29-2008, 08:07 PM
If you have a confirmation message from Sturm or RM, you might want to forward it. I'm guessing Sturm has called it a night, and I don't know if RM will be around on a Saturday night.

It is "pick up seedy women outside the Casino night" for Ricky. Might be awhile.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 08:11 PM
Maybe post the PM vcl? In that past that's been sufficient in the case that the other GM isn't around.

God Bless Canada
03-29-2008, 08:13 PM
It is "pick up seedy women outside the Casino night" for Ricky. Might be awhile.
We do have a precedent from last draft. Speaker and pappy pulled a deal in the first round. pappy already called it a night; Speaker forwarded a copy of pappy's PM accepting the trade to BM. The trade was announced, and several more picks were made that night.

Transplanted Caper
03-29-2008, 08:16 PM
We do have a precedent from last draft. Speaker and pappy pulled a deal in the first round. pappy already called it a night; Speaker forwarded a copy of pappy's PM accepting the trade to BM. The trade was announced, and several more picks were made that night.

Hopefully, would be nice to get a nice run tonight. Bring Back Bucky isn't back until tomorrow evening, but in the event he's up his lovely better half has instructed me to make a pick for him. Also, just to be clear, if I'm on the clock between 9-5 and haven't sent a list in (likely to you GBC) please feel free to keep the draft moving. I can make my pick when I get home from work, might hurt me, but making a off the cuff pick at the office is just as dangerous.

vancityluongo
03-29-2008, 08:21 PM
Winnipeg selects G Jiri Holocek. More later.

Maybe post the PM vcl? In that past that's been sufficient in the case that the other GM isn't around.

Here it is, just so it's public (I already have the thumbs up from GBC and TC)

...in moving up, I'll flip the pick I just acquired from Evil Sather back to you for a swap of our 5th and 9th rounders.


Definitely interested. Would you rather swap 7th's, 9th's, 10th's and 11th's though? You move up in 7, 9 and 11, we move up in 3 and 10?

Let's keep it with just the 5th and 9th round swaps. I'll be moving up in the 7th, anyway, with the deal with Evil. Need to make sure Evil is good with the deal, because he posted it without the last part in the thread. But once that's sorted out (as I assume it will be), I'll do the deal with you for the flop of 3rd, 5th and 9th round picks.

All righty, I wasn't looking to move down in the fifth, but I'll live with it. But if you don't mind, can I pull the deal once arrbez picks, so I know I for sure I won't be trading up uselessly? Sorry for any inconvience, I just have one guy in mind, and if he's gone, well, then there's no point in me trading up. :)

And just in case it wasn't clear, I confirm the trade, on the condition that my guy isn't gone.

BlueBleeder
03-29-2008, 08:24 PM
I almost took Holocek, came down to him and Lach.

Transplanted Caper
03-29-2008, 08:25 PM
Lots of trading up to get a goalie. Definitely the most panicky time of the draft when the goalies start dropping like flies. I don't take issue with pick, or with the trade, but its the one position that really does start a run of picks.

Sturminator
03-29-2008, 08:25 PM
Ya, ya, I confirm and stuff. Good move just picking, vcl.

Pwnasaurus
03-29-2008, 08:26 PM
The run is pretty rational IMO considering there will be 32 #1 goalies in the draft and the drop from tier to tier can be reasonably steep depending.

Transplanted Caper
03-29-2008, 08:28 PM
The run is pretty rational IMO considering there will be 32 #1 goalies in the draft and the drop from tier to tier can be reasonably steep depending.

In a vacumn, yes. However, building a solid defense core can be a big boon if you draft a lower tier goalie.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 08:30 PM
Lots of trading up to get a goalie. Definitely the most panicky time of the draft when the goalies start dropping like flies. I don't take issue with pick, or with the trade, but its the one position that really does start a run of picks.

I think goaltending is a very polarizing part of the draft. I'm of the mindset that the difference between the guys at the top and the guys at the bottom is significant in matchups, while others feel that most goalies can win you a series. It's not something I like to leave to chance - Benedict is the worst goalie I've had in the draft and (to me at least) he belongs in the top-10 all time.

Ya, ya, I confirm and stuff. Good move just picking, vcl.

Shouldn't you be in bed?

Evil Sather
03-29-2008, 08:30 PM
I don't plan on picking a goalie for a while.

Pwnasaurus
03-29-2008, 08:30 PM
In a vacumn, yes. However, building a solid defense core can be a big boon if you draft a lower tier goalie.

It's a necessity IMO

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 08:33 PM
In a vacumn, yes. However, building a solid defense core can be a big boon if you draft a lower tier goalie.

Case in Point: BM67's brick wall defense last draft.

Sturminator
03-29-2008, 08:35 PM
I have to say it's sort of vindicating to pull a trade-down with a guy who wants to deal up to take the goalie Nalyd and I pimped in the last draft 14 picks higher than he's ever gone before. Of course, all the goalies seem to be moving up, but I'm glad that vcl took Jiri with the pick I dealt to him. Damn fine goalie.

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 08:38 PM
Isn't it Holecek (or is it a potato/po-tah-to thing)? I usually seem to see it spelled Holecek but around here it seems like everyone uses Holocek.

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 08:49 PM
Confirmed.

Philadelphia selects - D - Chris Pronger

There may be a defenseman or two better, although its debateable. None though bring the all-around play combined with size and nastiness that Pronger does.

Pronger should be taken in the 90-100 range in my opinion. However, in your situation, A Shore, Pronger combo with a good goaltender in net is pretty intimidating I confirm. However, in your description above, I feel there's one defenseman meet the criteria and his a better defenseman in my opinion. Anyway, not a big fan of his, but not a bad pick at all.

Isn't it Holecek (or is it a potato/po-tah-to thing)? I usually seem to see it spelled Holecek but around here it seems like everyone uses Holocek.

It's Holecek.

Sturminator
03-29-2008, 08:50 PM
Isn't it Holecek (or is it a potato/po-tah-to thing)? I usually seem to see it spelled Holecek but around here it seems like everyone uses Holocek.

Given that it's a Czech name, spelling it correctly probably actually involves a lot of symbols and strange squiggly lines over the vowels that my computer won't do. I see it spelled Holecek a lot, as well, but Nalyd has always spelled it with an O, and I guess that's where I picked it up.

EagleBelfour
03-29-2008, 08:53 PM
Given that it's a Czech name, spelling it correctly probably actually involves a lot of symbols and strange squiggly lines over the vowels that my computer won't do. I see it spelled Holecek a lot, as well, but Nalyd has always spelled it with an O, and I guess that's where I picked it up.

Jiří Holeček

pitseleh
03-29-2008, 08:55 PM
I wonder when the first goatlender will be selected.

Transplanted Caper
03-29-2008, 08:56 PM
Ricky's around. *waits for permaban for publicizing his Saturday night activities*'

Sturminator
03-29-2008, 08:56 PM
I wonder when the first goatlender will be selected.

What do goats have to do with the all-time draft, pit?