All Time Draft Book

Leaf Lander
05-30-2008, 01:38 PM
Who would be interested in pursuing the idea to write a book about the all time draft teams players and results?

All GM's who particpate would share in any potential profits. Those who choose not to participate would sign a waiver form.

I would like 32 GM's to be part of the process so we can draft as many players as possible.

The draft for the book would have ot be conducted off HF. I love hockeys future but I wouldn't want to give all profits from my work to another source; however, I am not opposed to advertising hockeys future in the book pages. Infact I think we should for free.

If your interested in this project

email me:

leafsdomain@hotmail.com or paul_east2@hotmail.com

All the best

Paul Capstick

12 GM's seem to have interest.

Transplanted Caper
05-30-2008, 02:14 PM
Ill talk to you tonight on MSN LL.

Murphy
05-30-2008, 02:38 PM
I think you're onto something Leaf Lander and done right, it would be a unique and extremely interesting read. Just not sure what contribution you'd want from me and how to go about it doing it right?

Leaf Lander
05-30-2008, 02:40 PM
We need to generate interest, start discussion and plan it accordingly all while taking our time.

Leaf Lander
05-30-2008, 03:40 PM
Gm's so far have entertained the idea of being part of the book:

8 gm's now.

Murphy
05-30-2008, 03:44 PM
I don't know of any other place that has so many incredible hockey historians in one place. If we all got on the same page with this, I think it's a hell of an idea.

Nalyd Psycho
05-30-2008, 04:30 PM
Not sure what this would entail, but I'm intrigued.

shawnmullin
05-30-2008, 05:01 PM
Yeah I have no idea either but I'm always willing to help

FissionFire
05-30-2008, 05:13 PM
I'd love to be the writer on this and part of the process. It'll be fun and I don't really care about money.

Does anyone have all the past ATD threads archived somewhere?

pitseleh
05-30-2008, 05:17 PM
I'd be up for helping out too, though I'm not sure how much I can contribute.

Frightened Inmate #2
05-30-2008, 06:55 PM
Who the hell would buy a book about a fantasy draft on a website? I mean am I missing something here or is that what you are proposing?

Leaf Lander
05-30-2008, 08:20 PM
I dont want to give my ideas away on here

but you could make that work!

chaosrevolver
05-30-2008, 08:23 PM
Who the hell would buy a book about a fantasy draft on a website? I mean am I missing something here or is that what you are proposing?I think it is more about the history of hockey and the views from people who are very educated with the building process of the NHL. People like VanI, GBC, LL, just to name a few.

VanIslander
05-30-2008, 08:49 PM
I think it is more about the history of hockey and the views from people who are very educated with the building process of the NHL. People like VanI,...
There's such an NHL bias to the draft, for the most part, that the ATDs to date could not be the foundation for what I've been thinking for a while could be a Top-1000 Hockey Players of All Time book unless it wasn't ranked, more divided by position, style of play, etc. The last few MLDs would be crucial for such a project, as many all-time greats slip through the cracks. Still, this forum has been more about the process of discovering the history of hockey. Some of the issues about cross-era comparisons are interesting tidbits that could be expanded on, or an imaginative book "What if...?" could work if it invites the reader to do likewise. A website or all-time draft computer game seems more relevant (when I joined these ATDs back in 2004 I thought doing an FHL fantasy game would be a lot of fun, spending months debating SP, SK, DF ratings, coming up with crossgenerational formulas and tweakings of SC, PA, OV).

the idea to write a book about the all time draft teams players and results
ATD teams and results? ... that would make FI#2's post apt:

Who the hell would buy a book about a fantasy draft on a website? I mean am I missing something here or is that what you are proposing?
:laugh:

VanIslander
05-30-2008, 08:53 PM
On second thought...

An imaginative season and postseason of all-time greats, written in great detail, with historical anecdotes, stats, and arguments about cross-era considerations, could be an interesting read: written in a sort of magical realism style as if REALLY HAPPENED.

It could be a history of hockey project cast in an original form.

Hmmm...

FissionFire
05-30-2008, 09:44 PM
On second thought...

An imaginative season and postseason of all-time greats, written in great detail, with historical anecdotes, stats, and arguments about cross-era considerations, could be an interesting read: written in a sort of magical realism style as if REALLY HAPPENED.

It could be a history of hockey project cast in an original form.

Hmmm...

Actually, that's precisely the angle I was intending to write it up with if given the chance.

EagleBelfour
05-30-2008, 10:57 PM
Not sure what this would entail, but I'm intrigued.

+1..

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 01:14 AM
check facebook for more

ck26
05-31-2008, 01:33 AM
Predictions for this fantasy season.

Mario Lemieux gets hurt. Grant Fuhr makes dramatic saves in game 7. Marcel Dionne sucks in the playoffs. Otherwise underwhelming players are heroic. Faults in older players are ignored because they simply weren't adequately documented. We -- a group that's almost entirely under 40 -- try to imagine what would have happened when players we never saw and many of whom never even heard of each other magically played the same game.

I enjoy the ATD threads as a fun excuse to research and learn some hockey history ... but let's tone this down and scale this back a few ... to think that people would pay money to read it ... eh ... OK ... good luck ...

I want to finish the top 100 list because I like where that's going. I'm semi-interested in the idea of expanding that further, provided the process change a bit. But that's another discussion ... this book ... yeah, OK ...

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 01:49 AM
The idea of writing about series would be very small

I myself think the players and how the draft breaks down is much much more important.

all I can say is don't diss what you don't know anything about

You have no idea about how the draft will be go and it will go over well because we have an idea for an executive.

We plan on improving the draft process.

FissionFire
05-31-2008, 02:43 AM
You have no idea about how the draft will be go and it will go over well because we have an idea for an executive.

We plan on improving the draft process.

Dang. I was actually hoping I would be able to run the next ones as well. I've really enjoyed doing this one.

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 03:09 AM
Dang. I was actually hoping I would be able to run the next ones as well. I've really enjoyed doing this one.

msn is set up differently

I dont plan on moving the draft from hf
(Just for the book because of intellectual rights)

this is the draft home and peopel will be encouraged to go here!!

This was the garden of eden for the draft.

It evolved here and will stay here

but doing something like a book will give you me and everyoneelse involved a ever lasting legacy.

If you want to be part of the book great! If you dont but want to be involved in the book but want to partipate the draft for the book awsome!

At the end of the draft we will get you to sign a waiver.

Hedberg
05-31-2008, 03:50 AM
but doing something like a book will give you me and everyoneelse involved a ever lasting legacy.

If you want to be part of the book great! If you dont but want to be involved in the book but want to partipate the draft for the book awsome!

At the end of the draft we will get you to sign a waiver.

The book will be for future drafts, not this one?

Sturminator
05-31-2008, 04:22 AM
I will only participate in this project if you are the copy editor, Paul.

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 04:59 AM
The book will be for future drafts, not this one?

it will be based on one draft

a draft not started yet.

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 05:01 AM
I will only participate in this project if you are the copy editor, Paul.

haha no its bad enough that i type poorly becuase of the nerve damage in my right hand and I certaily cant overlook everyone elses work.

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 05:04 AM
http://groups.msn.com/AllTimeHockeyDraft

apply and tell me who you are

I wont approve anyoen for 6 hrs though

so you wont se the work I have started for the future draft

FissionFire
05-31-2008, 10:41 AM
Eh, that things trying to map network drives and I'd prefer not to do that for security reasons.

You can just email me the relevent info or PM it to me.

Transplanted Caper
05-31-2008, 10:54 AM
One thing I mentioned to LL for this was that a book of this nature would take a different approach than how we've drafted in the past. I don't think it's out of the question that instead of us each having a team, we all collaborate and make a decision on who a team would pick in a particular position. I think a book would look kind of silly if a team was picking crappy players too early. Also, it would be interesting to write down the "war room" discussion as GMs debate the merits of a handful of players on their list for their next selection.

Heat McManus
05-31-2008, 11:55 AM
Application sent.

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 03:02 PM
applications accepted

God Bless Canada
05-31-2008, 03:38 PM
On this front, it's very, very difficult to get published, and I hope you guys know what you're getting into. I have talked to many writers over the years (fiction, mostly), who spent a lot of time trying to get their work published. They went to many publishers, and were turned down. Then when their work was accepted, they went through several drafts before finally getting the final version published. It is not an easy path. You have to be patient, persistent and resilient.

There are some outlets out there now that have made publishing easier (I don't know if Instabook is still around or not). But those are usually for low-production books. You won't make a dime off of something like Instabook.

I think it's a great idea. I don't know if I'd be a part of it. If I did, it would be for mostly selfish reasons, ie: to get my name on a published book. But be aware of what you're getting yourself into.

chaosrevolver
05-31-2008, 03:39 PM
Can we have co-gm's?

EDIT: And how much would it cost each of us?

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 03:58 PM
On this front, it's very, very difficult to get published, and I hope you guys know what you're getting into. I have talked to many writers over the years (fiction, mostly), who spent a lot of time trying to get their work published. They went to many publishers, and were turned down. Then when their work was accepted, they went through several drafts before finally getting the final version published. It is not an easy path. You have to be patient, persistent and resilient.

There are some outlets out there now that have made publishing easier (I don't know if Instabook is still around or not). But those are usually for low-production books. You won't make a dime off of something like Instabook.

I think it's a great idea. I don't know if I'd be a part of it. If I did, it would be for mostly selfish reasons, ie: to get my name on a published book. But be aware of what you're getting yourself into.


We will find the publsiher when we are ready.

It is a long journey and we will explore the various avenues to get it published. If we make money great and if we don't I am sure the losses will be just lost time and we all loose time anyways here on the web:)

Offcourse we would like to have you as a key contributer

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 04:01 PM
Can we have co-gm's?

EDIT: And how much would it cost each of us?

ok but you would have to count as one gm.

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 04:02 PM
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chaosrevolver
05-31-2008, 04:18 PM
ok but you would have to count as one gm.no problem, and how much would it cost us?

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 05:07 PM
no problem, and how much would it cost us?

Thats unknown for now.I would assume under a 1000 dollars easily as a whole.

Once we have disucssed it with publishers we will have a clearer idea.

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 05:26 PM
http://groups.msn.com/AllTimeHockeyDraft

there are more details on the group site

if you don't have a hotmail account make one.

God Bless Canada
05-31-2008, 07:58 PM
We will find the publsiher when we are ready.

It is a long journey and we will explore the various avenues to get it published. If we make money great and if we don't I am sure the losses will be just lost time and we all loose time anyways here on the web:)

Offcourse we would like to have you as a key contributer
It's not just finding one when you are ready. It's a lot of hard work to find a publisher. It takes time. You have to have a manuscript ready, you have to have a cover letter. These publishing companies get thousands of book requests each year from people who think they have a great story idea. Few get beyond the cover letter stage. Even fewer get printed.

And it's not just time invested into writing a book. Comparing the process of writing a book to spending time on-line, or even time participating in an ATD, is nonsense. When you write a book, you're investing yourself into it. You're putting all sorts of emotion into it.

I don't want to sound too harsh on the idea, because I think there are some merits to it. But before I sign up and say "let's do it," I want to make sure you guys know what you're getting yourself into. If you don't, I don't want to be a part of it.

Incidentally, here's the Instabook website: http://www.instabook.net

I believe Gare Joyce is now a poster here. He wrote the magnificent When the Lights Went Out - a look back on the epic Punch-Up at Piestany - the Canada/USSR brawl of 87. You might want to PM him and ask him for advice.

Leaf Lander
05-31-2008, 08:02 PM
I think the passion unites us all


and thats a given:)

Heat McManus
05-31-2008, 08:45 PM
I think the passion unites us all


and thats a given:)

lol reading that post as it sits next to your avatar was sweet.

Transplanted Caper
05-31-2008, 08:45 PM
lol reading that post as it sits next to your avatar was sweet.

Nice too see the classic Leaf Lander avatar back.:)

Leaf Lander
06-01-2008, 04:39 AM
just keep in mind that to understand what we are doing or to give feedback you must join the msn group cause im not at liverty to discuss it on a open forum like this one.

Leaf Lander
06-01-2008, 06:46 PM
stop discussing the book here

go to the msn group;

I don't want the ideas to get out to any other writers.

papershoes
06-01-2008, 06:49 PM
stop discussing the book here

go to themsn group;

I dotn want the ideas to get out to any other writers.

sorry leaflander...

i deleted my post (and will post it in the group later).

Leaf Lander
06-01-2008, 06:50 PM
sorry leaflander...

i deleted my post (and will post it in the group later).

thanks

shawnmullin
06-01-2008, 08:37 PM
I really don't think that's a risk

FissionFire
06-02-2008, 09:38 AM
I'd like to be involved but like I said before MSN groups like to map network drives and otherwise do all kinds of stupid crap that they shouldn't (kinda like AOL does) which simply isn't gonna happen. I've been a network admin in the past and I know when I'm creating a security hole the size of the Persian Gulf. If you guys have any other way to communicate/discuss this then I'd love to join. Perhaps a private, invite-only HFBoards Social Group?

Leaf Lander
06-02-2008, 01:46 PM
doing that fff gives hf intellectual property rights

what about a free version of vBulletin

Hockey Outsider
06-02-2008, 04:47 PM
I'm in.

I'm not sure about LL's concerns re: intellectual property rights. My understanding (admittedly this is based on a single business law course as an undergraduate) is that intellectual property rights for literary works only apply when there is some level of creativity and skill on the part of the creator. Just because we're having discussions here, it doesn't mean that HF has provided any significant intellectual contributions.

Besides, if the web domain has some type of right to our profits, wouldn't they still have the right if we did this via MSN groups, or any other site?

I will ask my friend (a lawyer); he isn't a specialist in IP but he might have some answers.

Pwnasaurus
06-02-2008, 05:27 PM
I have a friend who studied Intellectual Property/Law, etc. I will query them.

Leaf Lander
06-02-2008, 05:33 PM
When it coems to writing and peicing the project together page by page we need to choose a layout and a basic design. Who here has power point and basic webpage making skills.(Each web page/power point would be a page in the book)

FissionFire
06-02-2008, 05:46 PM
When it coems to writing and peicing the project together page by page we need to choose a layout and a basic design. Who here has power point and basic webpage making skills.(Each web page/power point would be a page in the book)

I've got extensive knowledge of and experience with both.

Evil Sather
06-02-2008, 07:18 PM
I'd be interested once there was a little more concrete direction.

Leaf Lander
06-02-2008, 07:47 PM
evil sather there are ideas it is just not published here

i could send to u one facebook

Paul Capstick is my name and i have ben from LOST as my pic
for now.


all plans maybe slightly altered and added too.

Leaf Lander
06-02-2008, 07:49 PM
I've got extensive knowledge of and experience with both.

awsome do you have a onine portfolio of your work that i could look at

seventieslord
06-03-2008, 03:29 PM
Well, I haven't joined yet or seen the site, but I have to say off the bat that I am highly skeptical that someone would pay money to buy a book about the all-time draft. Now that said, if everyone else is truly interested, I have no choice but to get in on it, do my part, and reap whatever reward there is (probably nothing) - I have visions of what could possibly work, but even though we could make a finished product that we can all be proud of, it still doesn't mean it's at all marketable.

I will join and check out the private group tonight. Maybe I'll have more to say at that time.

Leaf Lander
06-03-2008, 10:58 PM
Well, I haven't joined yet or seen the site, but I have to say off the bat that I am highly skeptical that someone would pay money to buy a book about the all-time draft. Now that said, if everyone else is truly interested, I have no choice but to get in on it, do my part, and reap whatever reward there is (probably nothing) - I have visions of what could possibly work, but even though we could make a finished product that we can all be proud of, it still doesn't mean it's at all marketable.

I will join and check out the private group tonight. Maybe I'll have more to say at that time.

im offline till tomorrow. The alliant office is down so i got no web ascess.

Hopefully the msn group turns you on to the idea.

seventieslord
06-05-2008, 01:20 AM
Site's not working... I'm just getting a blank page.

I'm like Fissionfire here, I don't really like doing the msn group thing. I also do not like signing up for something, just for one singluar purpose (i.e. getting ahotmail account just for this project)

What's wrong with:

1) Discussing our ideas on this site?
2) Having a mod set up a private forum for us to talk in?
3) A yahoogroup where we can receive emails?
4) All of us being on one big email circuit where we just reply to all repeatedly?

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 03:42 AM
I myself don't want to read dribble cause we tend to post dribble here from time to time and we would do it in a e-mail group as well.

seventieslord your not even a member of the msn group.

I just dont see us doing it here on hf because i pretty sure that they own anythig we create.

Terms n agreements would answer this

Frightened Inmate #2
06-05-2008, 12:47 PM
This is turning into comedic gold.... I mean this has to be one of the worst ideas for a book that I have ever heard. Think about it, how many people are interested in hockey? A very small percentage of the population I would bet. How many of that are interested in the history of History of hockey? An even smaller percentage, a minute percentage to be exact. Now how many of those people would be interested in purchasing a book based around a draft of dead people that takes place on an internet forum? I would say that number is very very very close to zero.

I admire your attitude, but as it stands right now you are just wasting your time if you think you are going to actually publish anything.

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 01:41 PM
if your a nay sayer I think we dont want you or your negative energy

and stop posting here

if you dont want to be part of this

go away

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 01:44 PM
This is turning into comedic gold.... I mean this has to be one of the worst ideas for a book that I have ever heard. Think about it, how many people are interested in hockey? A very small percentage of the population I would bet. How many of that are interested in the history of History of hockey? An even smaller percentage, a minute percentage to be exact. Now how many of those people would be interested in purchasing a book based around a draft of dead people that takes place on an internet forum? I would say that number is very very very close to zero.

I admire your attitude, but as it stands right now you are just wasting your time if you think you are going to actually publish anything.

Proper marketing will make people buy the book no doubt and I have many ideas how to gain interest from the general public.

Where I am from people discuss hockey in the office at school at tim hortans its part of the culture. if you relay a great idea to those out there they will buy it

I wonder how many here own the hockey news top 50 (those over 30 should own it)

seventieslord
06-05-2008, 01:58 PM
I know I'm not in the MSN group yet. I went to that link to try to join it though... am I doing something wrong? It just came up as a blank white screen.

Have you been in a yahoogroup before? They're great. All members can set up the group the way they like it. You can receive each post as an email, or a daily "digest" containing all of one day's posts, or no emails and just read on the web. Also no security issues because you're not changing any network settings on your own system.

Frightened Inmate #2
06-05-2008, 02:00 PM
You really have not thought this through have you? Marketing of a book? There is no marketing of books, they have to market themselves. Sure people talk about hockey when they stand in line at Tim Horton's but how many people read about hockey when they get home outside of the sports page? My guess would be none.

Fact is it isn't a great idea. It is a horrible idea. And no one would purchase this book. I would put my life savings on that. Have you even done any analysis on this at all? Talked to any authors? Done a SWOT analysis? Anything other than post on a message board? Because you will never get anything published and you are wasting your time.

By the way, the hockey news top 50 players, fairly reputable source. Guy on message board who isn't involved in hockey other than as an observer, not a reputable source at all.

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 02:06 PM
You really have not thought this through have you? Marketing of a book? There is no marketing of books, they have to market themselves. Sure people talk about hockey when they stand in line at Tim Horton's but how many people read about hockey when they get home outside of the sports page? My guess would be none.

Fact is it isn't a great idea. It is a horrible idea. And no one would purchase this book. I would put my life savings on that. Have you even done any analysis on this at all? Talked to any authors? Done a SWOT analysis? Anything other than post on a message board? Because you will never get anything published and you are wasting your time.

I understand its none of your business

You have not said that you are interested

what your doing here is what you always do on hf

your being an ass

it is what you do

There is a hockey market for this book just look at this website with 47 000 members.

One won't get rich from this book idea but its a note worthy undertaking that will be embraced by all who want to be part of this.

its obviously your up to no good as usual. You just like to cause a rucuss.

Please learn to be respectful of your fellow gms for once in your life.

No plans for the book will be revelaed here by me.

Heroes Stars of Hockey's Golden Era; PAGNUCCO,FRANK is one of the all timw best sellers for hockey books, He isnt well know, The players and the concept will sell itself and as i said before i have some nice marketing ideas that will work to help sell the book.

Plus we will have a dozen salesman ;)

If you build it they will come and we will create a wonder work that will be a legacy for many generations of hockey fans for the past, present and even in the future.

In regards to the SWOT analysis I want to plan the book and knwo what we are creating before I take a few hrs to do one and I know how to do one I have done them before.

If I dotn do it I am sure anyone else with a busienss background can do it I know that tranplanted caper has worked for a marketing firm over in ottawa and I am posative that god bless canada could do this as well.

In our meeting we will find out the strengths and talents of out fellow gms,

Frightened Inmate #2
06-05-2008, 02:25 PM
So that is your business plan... Hope? You aren't running a presidential campaign, hope is not enough. You point to the number of posters on the HFBoards website. How many of those posters are active posters. Now how many of those posters are active on the history of hockey board? Now how many of those on the hockey board are interested in an all time draft? Right now you have 30-40 out of 47,000 who are signed up on the boards.... 0.08% of the boards population has shown to have interest in the draft when it is free and won't cost them a dime. So out of hardcore hockey fans you have less than 0.1% who are interested in an all time draft.

It isn't a marketable concept.

I have that hockeys golden era book. I got it when it was in the bargain bin of the chapters for $3.99.

Trust me I am doing you a favour in the sense that you are wasting your time when you could otherwise be doing whatever it is that you otherwise would be doing. I'm not being an ass, a wet blanket perhaps, but I am being honest with you, something that someone needs to be.

ck26
06-05-2008, 02:34 PM
Where I am from people discuss hockey in the office at school at tim hortans its part of the culture. if you relay a great idea to those out there they will buy itStating that there are cultural differences would make sense if it was me, a Texan, saying this was a bad idea.

(it is, by the way)

But FI#2 is from Calgary ...

Edit: Tim Horton. Not Hortan. Seems like something you would know, being from Toronto and him being one of your legendary, historical hockey heroes and all ...

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 03:12 PM
the market isnt the deep south it is hockey country.

we wont get rich from this anytime soon.

it will be a joyful undertaking by those who are commited to creating something great!

FI@2 no one asked you for your opinion

like i said b4 you seem to get your jollies out of causing a rucuss. Distracting from the worthy task.


I don't understand why you would want to stop the book project
If you dont want to be a part of it thats one thing but to be a thorn in the side for no reason is ridiculous.

Please no more from the nay sayers

Your opposition is noted. It is a shame.

You have a chance to be part of something special here but you are snubbing your nose at the process.

You are as a gm in the ATD are invited to be part of the group. The invite will remain open till we start the draft for the book.

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 03:20 PM
for those who are interested in the book concept we need to scheduale a online meeting so we can get this project moving forward.

Frightened Inmate #2
06-05-2008, 03:32 PM
The market isn't there in the deep south nor is it there anywhere else for that matter, because it isn't a good idea and anyone who looks at it objectively will agree with that. My opposition stems from the fact that I have a right to do so and you seem to be to pigheaded to look at the facts as they are and the fact that this book will likely never get started, let alone finished, or published, or sell a single copy.

My opposition is rooted in the fact that it is a horrible, horrible idea.... and there is nothing special about being involved in a failure which was doomed from the beginning.

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 03:34 PM
you choose not to be part of the process

you have no say then because you have not joined us.

your just being an egotistical distracting ass.

Frightened Inmate #2
06-05-2008, 03:42 PM
If I wanted to be a distracting ass, I would inform you that your grasp on the English language is an embarrassment and that if you were ever to write a book you would drive many editors to an early grave trying to determine what it was that you were trying to write.

I still have a say because you see there is a thing which is called free speech, which you might be interested to know is protected by something called law. So if your idea is crap I can yell it from the mountain tops if I decide to do so.

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 03:47 PM
If I wanted to be a distracting ass, I would inform you that your grasp on the English language is an embarrassment and that if you were ever to write a book you would drive many editors to an early grave trying to determine what it was that you were trying to write.

I still have a say because you see there is a thing which is called free speech, which you might be interested to know is protected by something called law. So if your idea is crap I can yell it from the mountain tops if I decide to do so.

no mas

:shakehead

now go away

btw I suspect that you are writing boook yourself

This is a clear case of the hands that build can also tear down

You want to get rid of your competition

Keep the all the toys and play with them all by yourself

Frightened Inmate #2
06-05-2008, 04:03 PM
Half of that didn't make any sense. But trust me it is a horrible idea that will never work and there is no way in hell that I would spend money or time on it. It is doomed for failure on the highest level...

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 04:05 PM
whatever

you serve no constructive purpose here

no mas

btw I suspect that you are writing boook yourself

This is a clear case of the hands that build can also tear down

You want to get rid of your competition

Keep the all the toys and play with them all by yourself

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 04:10 PM
We really should have an online meeting

I assume it can be done in the night time.

I'm free any night

We need to constructivly discuss what we bring to the table as part of the ATD Book Project.


When are you all free?

Only GM's who are part of the book project will be invited

We dont need any further distractions.

Frightened Inmate #2
06-05-2008, 04:30 PM
What does no mas mean?

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 05:28 PM
We really should have an online meeting

I assume it can be done in the night time.

I'm free any night

We need to constructivly discuss what we bring to the table as part of the ATD Book Project.


When are you all free?

Only GM's who are part of the book project will be invited

We dont need any further distractions.

Interested GM's: 25

AgentDaleCoope0, chaosrevolver, EagleBelfour, FissionFire,
God Bless Canada, Hockey Outsider, Jungosi1,kruezer,LaperriereSports,
Leaf lander, Murphy, Nalyd Psycho, Nate the Great,
pappyline, papershoes, pitseleh, Pwnasaurus,
ralehman, seventieslord,shawnmullin, Sturminator,
Transplanted Caper,Vakar Lajos, vancityluongo, VanIslander

reckoning- down as a maybe.

Uninterested GM's
Frightened inmate #2
MXD -cant commit at this time.

There are also 2 gm's who draft good teams but are under 18 yrs of age. One may withdraw.

chaosrevolver
06-05-2008, 06:05 PM
We really should have an online meeting

I assume it can be done in the night time.

I'm free any night

We need to constructivly discuss what we bring to the table as part of the ATD Book Project.


When are you all free?

Only GM's who are part of the book project will be invited

We dont need any further distractions.

Interested GM's: 22

AgentDaleCoope0, chaosrevolver, EagleBelfour, FissionFire,
God Bless Canada, Hockey Outsider, Jungosi1,LaperriereSports,
Leaf lander, Murphy, Nalyd Psycho, Nate the Great,
papershoes, pitseleh, Pwnasaurus,ralehman,
shawnmullin, Sturminator, Transplanted Caper,Vakar Lajos, vancityluongo, VanIslander


Uninterested GM's
2

There are also 2 gm's who draft good teams but are under 18 yrs of age. One may withdraw.Im 16 and im not withdrawing at this point. Nate might be under 18 idk.

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 06:23 PM
Im 16 and im not withdrawing at this point. Nate might be under 18 idk.



Good to hear!!

Pwnasaurus
06-05-2008, 07:20 PM
We really should have an online meeting



As long as I don't have to download anything (I'm incredibly lazy and paranoid) and I'm not working that night, whenever is fine with me.

seventieslord
06-05-2008, 07:48 PM
We really should have an online meeting

I assume it can be done in the night time.

I'm free any night

We need to constructivly discuss what we bring to the table as part of the ATD Book Project.


When are you all free?

Only GM's who are part of the book project will be invited

We dont need any further distractions.

Interested GM's: 22

AgentDaleCoope0, chaosrevolver, EagleBelfour, FissionFire,
God Bless Canada, Hockey Outsider, Jungosi1,LaperriereSports,
Leaf lander, Murphy, Nalyd Psycho, Nate the Great,
papershoes, pitseleh, Pwnasaurus,ralehman,
shawnmullin, Sturminator, Transplanted Caper,Vakar Lajos, vancityluongo, VanIslander


Uninterested GM's
2

There are also 2 gm's who draft good teams but are under 18 yrs of age. One may withdraw.

Didn't I already say I was joining, LL?

I really don't think it will go anywhere but I'm going along with it anyway.

Leaf Lander
06-05-2008, 08:04 PM
Didn't I already say I was joining, LL?

I really don't think it will go anywhere but I'm going along with it anyway.

I will make it happen !!!
roles will be assigned and we will make a mark!

When we are done we will all be proud of our grand accomplishment

vancityluongo
06-06-2008, 12:04 AM
Im 16 and im not withdrawing at this point. Nate might be under 18 idk.

I think LL was talking about me...


I can't access the group right now, it isn't working, but once we see what direction everything is headed in, and once LL decides what he can use me as without me having to give out any info, I'll be in. :)

Gibsons Finest
06-06-2008, 12:21 AM
I guess I'd be game. I think it's one of those things that'd be actually pretty interesting to read. But, either way, I'm pretty sure we'll have a lot of fun doing it.

Leaf Lander
06-06-2008, 01:19 AM
I guess I'd be game. I think it's one of those things that'd be actually pretty interesting to read. But, either way, I'm pretty sure we'll have a lot of fun doing it.

Thats the spirit!!!

Leaf Lander
06-06-2008, 01:19 AM
Interested GM's: 26

AgentDaleCoope0, chaosrevolver, EagleBelfour, FissionFire,
God Bless Canada, Hockey Outsider, Jungosi1,kruezer,LaperriereSports,
Leaf lander, McLovin, Murphy, Nalyd Psycho, Nate the Great,
pappyline, papershoes, pitseleh, Pwnasaurus,
ralehman, seventieslord,shawnmullin, Sturminator,
Transplanted Caper,Vakar Lajos, vancityluongo, VanIslander

reckoning- down as a maybe.

Uninterested GM's
Frightened inmate #2
MXD -cant commit at this time.

Leaf Lander
06-06-2008, 06:53 PM
Interested GM's: 27

AgentDaleCoope0, chaosrevolver, EagleBelfour, Evil Speaker,FissionFire, God Bless Canada, Hockey Outsider, Jungosi ,kruezer, LaperriereSports, Leaf lander, McLovin, Murphy, Nalyd Psycho, Nate the Great, pappyline, papershoes, pitseleh, Pwnasaurus, ralehman, seventieslord, shawnmullin, Sturminator, Transplanted Caper,Vakar Lajos, vancityluongo, VanIslander

reckoning- down as a maybe.
GB Editor- editor

Uninterested GM's
Frightened inmate #2
MXD -is busy

Leaf Lander
06-12-2008, 03:57 AM
Interested GM's: 27

AgentDaleCoope0, chaosrevolver, EagleBelfour, FissionFire, God Bless Canada, Hockey Outsider, Jungosi , kruezer, LaperriereSports, Leaf lander, McLovin, monster_bertuzzi, Murphy, Nalyd Psycho, Nate the Great, pappyline, papershoes, pitseleh, Pwnasaurus, ralehman, seventieslord, shawnmullin, Spitfire11, Sturminator, Transplanted Caper,Vakar Lajos, VanIslander

reckoning- down as a maybe.

Uninterested GM's
Frightened inmate #2
MXD -is busy

GB-Editor

Leaf Lander
06-13-2008, 07:15 PM
I offcourse would like to have all of you in the group. But its a must to know who you are for legality and confidentiality reasons.This is a project real and it is going to happen. How you feel aboutt he project now may change in 4 yrs time when you see each other gm that was apart of the project has made 10 K from the book and you got nothing but did just as much work.Documents need to be signed that binds us together as a cohesive unit.

I sent pms recently to everyone involved in the project

If I missed you let me know.

Leaf Lander
06-14-2008, 05:56 PM
sent out a series of pms yesterday.

I got 5 responses n counting....

This project will only go somewhere if you give feedback.

Effort = Results.

I know it's summer. We can beat at this here and there and be on a path to create something that is great.

ck26
09-11-2008, 11:43 PM
How's this book going? Any updates?

camperjr
09-12-2008, 10:37 PM
Not sure what'd you would want from me but I could try and help.

Leaf Lander
09-16-2008, 11:07 PM
How's this book going? Any updates?

we took the summer off:D

Leaf Lander
11-06-2008, 05:05 PM
I am going to get back on this idea very shortly.

Leaf Lander
11-19-2008, 12:45 AM
sending out queries private messages today

===========================

looking to see who is interested in the book concept starting sometime in late Feb. I just want to see who is still interested in going forward.So please pm me back your interest. I want to see who is going to go forward with this if not I will look to get other hockey people to participate in the draft. I plan on making a lot of contacts this week.


as of last fall the interested GM's were:

AgentDaleCooper, chaosrevolver, EagleBelfour, FissionFire, God Bless Canada, Hockey Outsider, Jungosi , kruezer, LaperriereSports, Leaf lander, McLovin, monster_bertuzzi, Murphy, Nalyd Psycho, Nate the Great, pappyline, papershoes, pitseleh, Pwnasaurus, raleh, seventieslord, shawnmullin, Spitfire11, Sturminator, Transplanted Caper,Vakar Lajos, VanIslander

down as a maybe.
-reckoning

Uninterested GM's

Frightened inmate #2
MXD -is busy

Leaf Lander
11-19-2008, 01:40 AM
Ill update this as GM's express there interest over the next 2 days:



btw add me to msn:

leafsdomain@hotmail.com

Leaf Lander
11-19-2008, 04:03 AM
One thing I mentioned to LL for this was that a book of this nature would take a different approach than how we've drafted in the past. I don't think it's out of the question that instead of us each having a team, we all collaborate and make a decision on who a team would pick in a particular position. I think a book would look kind of silly if a team was picking crappy players too early. Also, it would be interesting to write down the "war room" discussion as GMs debate the merits of a handful of players on their list for their next selection.

I got a tonne of ideas on how i want to do this we do need to deconstruct it to make it different from this sites draft


add me to Facebook

Paul Capstick is my name and when you search my name I am by the stanely cup and 2 RCMP officers are behind me and the cup

God Bless Canada
11-19-2008, 10:50 AM
As I've said before, I'm only interested in doing this if I see some sort of plan that I think will work. Call me realistically skeptical. And that's not just how we're going to do the draft, and put it into a book format. It's a plan for how we're going to get this thing published.

Publishers will only publish books that they think will make money. I've talked to a lot of authors who have written good books, but the biggest challenge for them has been getting their book published.

I won't work on it if I don't think it'll be published. If you guys go through something like Insta-book (doesn't that name inspire?) then that's one thing, but don't expect to be making any money (in fact, you'll probably lose money) if you go the Insta-book route.

ck26
11-19-2008, 12:25 PM
sending out queries private messages today

===========================

looking to see who is interested in the book concept starting sometime in late Feb. I just want to see who is still interested in going forward.So please pm me back your interest. I want to see who is going to go forward with this if not I will look to get other hockey people to participate in the draft. I plan on making a lot of contacts this week.


as of last fall the interested GM's were:

AgentDaleCooper, chaosrevolver, EagleBelfour, FissionFire, God Bless Canada, Hockey Outsider, Jungosi , kruezer, LaperriereSports, Leaf lander, McLovin, monster_bertuzzi, Murphy, Nalyd Psycho, Nate the Great, pappyline, papershoes, pitseleh, Pwnasaurus, raleh, seventieslord, shawnmullin, Spitfire11, Sturminator, Transplanted Caper,Vakar Lajos, VanIslander

down as a maybe.
-reckoning

Uninterested GM's

Frightened inmate #2
MXD -is busyWasn't interested a few months ago, still not interested. I don't think you guys realize a) the challenges of getting published, and b) how little interest there is for a product like this. Actually stepping into the Leafs war room for a real-world draft and writing about it with a unique angle and with style might sell; stepping into 32 fictitious war rooms simultaneously and regurgitating 700+ short biographies reads like you're punching "Random Article" on wikipedia over and over again for no particular reason. Good luck, guys, but no thanks.

seventieslord
11-19-2008, 12:42 PM
I think I fall somewhere in-between GBC and cottonking on the opinion spectrum. This won't be successful. It can't be. Who would buy it?

If I didn't participate and chose to watch what happened, and you did manage to put something out, sure, I would buy it. But I am mega-interested in the history of hockey, in biographies of ATD-worthy players, and I am a current ATD/MLD GM. Who else wants this book?

Pwnasaurus
11-19-2008, 01:17 PM
I think I fall somewhere in-between GBC and cottonking on the opinion spectrum. This won't be successful. It can't be. Who would buy it?

If I didn't participate and chose to watch what happened, and you did manage to put something out, sure, I would buy it. But I am mega-interested in the history of hockey, in biographies of ATD-worthy players, and I am a current ATD/MLD GM. Who else wants this book?

America voted (me)...and they agree with....seventieslord.

Leaf Lander
11-19-2008, 03:26 PM
the negatives of doing this book have been covered in this thread pretty diligently by FI#2

If a gm wasn't interested when pm'd by me they should had just pm'd me back.

I think I want a smaller group of individuals to work with anyways.

I am currently working on the book format. Ill be in touch via pm on facebook.

camperjr
11-19-2008, 04:12 PM
the negatives of doing this book have been covered in this thread pretty diligently by FI#2

If a gm wasn't interested when pm'd by me they should had just pm'd me back.

I think I want a smaller group of individuals to work with anyways.

I am currently working on the book format. Ill be in touch via pm on facebook.

What if you don't have facebook? I do I'm just wondering

seventieslord
11-19-2008, 04:25 PM
the negatives of doing this book have been covered in this thread pretty diligently by FI#2

If a gm wasn't interested when pm'd by me they should had just pm'd me back.

I think I want a smaller group of individuals to work with anyways.

I am currently working on the book format. Ill be in touch via pm on facebook.

OK.

I guess, for the record, then, count me out. With or without me, I don't think this will even get off the ground, let alone be successful. I think that I could be valuable to such a thing if properly done and organized, but I certainly won't be the factor that brings this thing past the tipping point from failure to success.

If it does get off the ground and published, good for you, and good for all of you who went along with LL (I have a feeling that many of you are doing so with reservations). I will certainly buy a copy and I hope it is a lot like I envision in my own little utopian view of what this could be. Either way, if it is loaded with detailed player bios, I will be delighted to own it, but I don't see many other people who aren't ATD GMs lining up at the bookstore at 7:30 AM on the day of its release.

If it becomes successful and makes you guys money, and I could have been a part of that, that is the only scenario that will be regrettable for me. That said, how much money would the book have to make, where 1/24th of the net earnings are an amount of money that I will truly regret not taking the time and putting in the work to earn? In all honesty, it would probably have to net $500,000.

Good luck to you.

Leaf Lander
11-19-2008, 04:32 PM
it is a long term project and anyone who thinks we will make money of this has there heads in the clouds.

seventieslord There is no need to say no twice in the thread within a few hrs of each other

Leaf Lander
11-19-2008, 04:33 PM
What if you don't have facebook? I do I'm just wondering

get fb like the rest of the world;)

seventieslord
11-19-2008, 04:52 PM
it is a long term project and anyone who thinks we will make money of this has there heads in the clouds.

seventieslord There is no need to say no twice in the thread within a few hrs of each other

Did you just say there is no need to say something twice? I refer you to your mass PM from this morning.

looking to see who is interested in the book concept starting sometime in late Feb. I just want to see who is still interested in going forward.So please pm me back your interest. I want to see who is going to go forward with this if not I will look to get other hockey people to participate in the draft. I plan on making a lot of contacts this week.

I get the impression from this that,

a) you are looking to see who is still interested,
b) you want to see who is still interested in going forward, and
c) you want to see who is going to go forward.

Wasn't it you who talked about the book actually making money earlier on in this thread? Or am I mistaken?

But anyway... no, I'm not interested in going forward. I hope you understand that I am not going forward. I'm not going forward but I'll buy the book. I hope you do well but I'm not interested in doing it myself. I'm interested in the book, but not in making the book. So good luck but I am not interested in being interested in going forward with going forward.

Leaf Lander
11-19-2008, 05:04 PM
seventieslord you are definitely trolling now

your acting like you are 10 yrs old who is going backwards but not forward;)

you are out of the project and deserve no answers

please do not post here anymore unless you decide join the effort.

thanks

seventieslord
11-19-2008, 05:07 PM
You don't own any thread, no matter how high your post count gets.

VanIslander
11-19-2008, 05:15 PM
... I'm not going forward but I'll buy the book. I hope you do well but I'm not interested in doing it myself. I'm interested in the book, but not in making the book...
ditto

I mentioned on the thread that I myself had my own plan, not for your idea of a fantasy draft book, but for a Top-1000 players of all-time book. I am on the record in the thread of stating my idea. Your idea seems to have morphed closer to mine. I dunno. I have two other books to write before I can seriously consider my idea anyways.

With your fantasy draft book in whatever form it takes, may you find the time, hard work, dedication and commitment it takes to finish it. Believe me, writing abook is hard enough, doing it as a team endeavour takes a lot of patience and organizational skill.

Good luck with that.

Gibsons Finest
11-19-2008, 05:50 PM
ditto

I mentioned on the thread that I myself had my own plan, not for your idea of a fantasy draft book, but for a Top-1000 players of all-time book. I am on the record in the thread of stating my idea. Your idea seems to have morphed closer to mine. I dunno. I have two other books to write before I can seriously consider my idea anyways.

With your fantasy draft book in whatever form it takes, may you find the time, hard work, dedication and commitment it takes to finish it. Believe me, writing abook is hard enough, doing it as a team endeavour takes a lot of patience and organizational skill.

Good luck with that.

Not a bad idea, however, I think LL's book would have a better chance at getting published than that. Your idea's probably better for a book, but for something like that we'd need one of two things that none of us(or very few of us) have: credibility or recognition. I've never referenced the HOH Top 100 in an argument(at least I don't think), and if I ever do it will only be to prove a point and be in conjuction with the THN Top 100 list(you might see what I'm talking about later) based on the first one. No offense to any of you gents, especially the ones who made the list(IMO you did a hell of a job, to be honest), but let's face it, you, and the rest of us, for that matter, are a bunch of guys on a message board. Sure, we have knowledge and resources and all that jazz, but there's a reason the Thrashers aren't calling asking us to scout for them, or why Bob Gainey isn't calling asking our opinions on a potential trade. And even in some cases you don't need any real credibility, like with Bob McCown. He's put out a book, yet I wouldn't say he's credible at all. Or better yet, Eklund of all people actually makes money off his website(I believe, anyway). But they have recognition. Again, we're a bunch of guys on a message board. Nothing wrong with that, but no publisher in his right mind would think our opinions could sell a book.

I think both ideas have little to no shot at getting anywhere off the ground, but with LL's there is the off chance that some publisher loves the story and thinks it'll sell. Not sure that would happen with a Top 1000 book. Either way, I'm not holding my breath on any impending book deals coming from the ATD or HOH boards.

Transplanted Caper
11-19-2008, 05:57 PM
I got a tonne of ideas on how i want to do this we do need to deconstruct it to make it different from this sites draft


add me to Facebook

Paul Capstick is my name and when you search my name I am by the stanely cup and 2 RCMP officers are behind me and the cup

Paulie, come on now. You know who I am! We've been facebook buds for over a year!

Leaf Lander
11-19-2008, 06:56 PM
Paulie, come on now. You know who I am! We've been facebook buds for over a year!

indeed but i thought we were more like brothers then just buds :(

JFA87-66-99
11-27-2008, 10:53 AM
This would be the greatest hockey book of all-time if done correctly. I'd like to own one when finished. I'd also be willing to help?

Leaf Lander
11-28-2008, 03:53 AM
This would be the greatest hockey book of all-time if done correctly. I'd like to own one when finished. I'd also be willing to help?

finally another visionary!!

JFA87-66-99
11-30-2008, 08:36 PM
How is it going? How do you guys get your info about old-time euro players. Besides a few books that I have and maybe a little info off the internet I find it hard to learn about these players.

JFA87-66-99
10-10-2009, 07:30 PM
Still could be the greatest hockey book ever written.

Leaf Lander
10-11-2009, 02:25 AM
it should be ready for a nice xmass stuffer :D

JFA87-66-99
10-12-2009, 12:45 AM
it should be ready for a nice xmass stuffer :D

I wish. This book should become a reality

BillyShoe1721
07-10-2011, 08:52 PM
Bumping this to see if anything ever materialized. This is the first I've heard of it and I think it would be an interesting thing to work on, but I agree that it likely wouldn't succeed because nobody would really want it.

EagleBelfour
07-11-2011, 06:25 AM
Bumping this to see if anything ever materialized. This is the first I've heard of it and I think it would be an interesting thing to work on, but I agree that it likely wouldn't succeed because nobody would really want it.

Draft after draft, we are gathering a boatload of information, and I believe enough to make a book of it. However, we would need a few extremely dedicated person to assemble all those information and put it in a readable format. I'm definitely not one of them, but if a few of you are ready to put a handful of hundred hours each into such a project, I would be here to support and help as much as I can.