MLD #9 Signup Thread

Signups for MLD #9 are now open. Post here if you are planning to participate. PM me with any questions or concerns. MLD #9 will be capped at 12 teams.

Confirmed GMs (7)
Florida Panthers (chaosrevolver & NateTheGreat)
Dayton Ohio Matter Eaters (Evil Speaker & vancityluongo)
Humboldt Indians (God Bless Canada & Murphy)
?? (Leaf Lander)
Jonestown Kool-Aids (Nalyd Psycho)
Manitoba Moose (papershoes)
Regina Capitals (seventieslord)
Rossland Warriors (shawnmullin)

Potential co-GMs
Agent Dale Cooper
cottonking
Spitfire11

I'll be in. If raleh wants to be my partner in crime again, he will be. If he doesn't, I'll find another co-GM. Perhaps a former tag team partner, or an old rival.

I'd suggest capping this thing at 12 teams. Give first priority to those who are current GMs, and non-GMs who regularly visit this forum. (Lafleur's Guy, willus3, Jabordt, etc).

what the heck I'm in!!

Toronto Marlies

I'll give 'er a go more free time in the summer.

count me in as well

Yeah I'm in. I'll take my own team, although if anyone wants to be my co-GM send me a PM! :)

EDIT: Never mind. Going to take a pass on this b/c of time constraints.

I'm in.

I wouldn't miss this for the world.

I'm the Regina Capitals.

NateTheGreat and Chaosrevolver are back in.

http://www.teamtraveler.com/images/Hockey/florida_panthers_1994.gif
Florida Panthers (1993-2008)

vancityluongo and I have decided to team up. Team name pending.

I'll continue to go with teams where I live. This time in honour of Stanley Cup winner Dallas Drake I'll be managing his old junior B hockey team the Rossland Warriors. They no longer exist as a Jr B franchise, but they were the 2007 Coy Cup Champions in BC AA Senior Hockey. Rossland is only 20 minutes away from Trail so they also serve as a very logical minor league team to the Smoke Eaters ;)

http://www.logoserver.com/hockey/RosslandWarriors7880.GIF

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/416085141_f3db87910e.jpg?v=0

NateTheGreat and Chaosrevolver are back in.

http://www.teamtraveler.com/images/Hockey/florida_panthers_1994.gif
Florida Panthers (1993-2008)

Always knew they were minor league *laugh*

didn't realize we were posting our team names...

i'll take on the:

manitoba moose

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/logos/ahl/manitoba_moose_2002.gif

Always knew they were minor league *laugh*Eh..nates favourite team.

vancityluongo and I have decided to team up. Team name pending.

Confirmed, and we'll be rocking the Dayton Matter Eaters.

Located in Dayton Ohio. :)

Still need at least 1 more team and up to 5 more.

I prefer to have the Ohio in our name. Dayton Ohio Matter Eaters

Still need at least 1 more team and up to 5 more.
I'm guessing you'll have a team. That's 8. I'm sure VanI and pit will have entries. That's 10.

Haven't heard back from raleh yet on this front. Will give him a couple more days. Got a couple other guys I'd like to talk to about a partnership. Then I'll announce a team name.

No rush, though. I don't think we should be starting this thing until after the championship is settled.

Why cap it at 12? if more guys want in, what would be wrong with 14.... or 16? The more players we end up taking, the better. This is too much fun for there to be limits.

I'll join, even though the MLD can be frustrating, I just want to use this team name...

Jonestown Kool-Aids

I prefer to have the Ohio in our name. Dayton Ohio Matter Eaters

GBV.

Dayton Mincer Rays?

I'm guessing you'll have a team. That's 8. I'm sure VanI and pit will have entries. That's 10.

Haven't heard back from raleh yet on this front. Will give him a couple more days. Got a couple other guys I'd like to talk to about a partnership. Then I'll announce a team name.

No rush, though. I don't think we should be starting this thing until after the championship is settled.

I don't plan on having a team in the MLD this time.

VanI also said he'll have intermittent net access so I don't expect him to take part either.

Why cap it at 12? if more guys want in, what would be wrong with 14.... or 16? The more players we end up taking, the better. This is too much fun for there to be limits.
It's a lot of fun, a lot more laid back than the ATD. I always try to have a couple odd-ball picks, or sentimental picks, or guys who you normally wouldn't expect to be drafted.

But it's also something that should be done quickly. If it takes more than three or four weeks (especially in July) we have a problem. And with 32 teams in the ATD, there's not an overwhelming amount of talent out there. Rosters aren't going to have a lot of depth with 12 teams. With 16, they'd be even more shallow.

Besides, co-GMs are always an option if there are more than a dozen GMs interested. I'll probably have a co-GM with my entry.

GBV.

Dayton Mincer Rays?

After a day of thought i've decided that Dayton Ohio Matter Eaters sounds too much like Dayton Ohio Fecal Matter Eaters, so a change needs to be made. The other options are Dreadful Crows, Hardcore UFO's or Mincer Rays. I'll talk it over with vancity

I don't plan on having a team in the MLD this time.

VanI also said he'll have intermittent net access so I don't expect him to take part either.

r u running the draft?

I would go with the Dayton Mincer Rays...it's like the Devil Rays...but improved. Other options might include

- Dayton Bright Paper Werewolves
- Dayton Drag Days
- Dayton Tropical Robots
- Dayton Finks
- Dayton Portable Men's Society

That's all I got off the top of my head.

r u running the draft?

Unless there are any objections to me doing so I'll be running MLD #9

Unless there are any objections to me doing so I'll be running MLD #9

ok so ur gonan run it but not do a team:)

i dont think anyone has done that b4;)

Joining me as a co-GM will be a former partner-in-crime and a long-time rival, making his return to the league: Murphy.

Team name TBA. (Note: we will find a name. We're not going to Bluth this one).

I'll co- with someone if they don't mind having me

Murphy and I have a team name. Before they won three Memorial Cups in four years as the Kamloops Blazers, before they won back-to-back Memorial Cups as the New Westminster Bruins, and before they sent 48 players to the show as the Estevan Bruins, they were a team rich in history, and they produced such stars as Glenn Hall:

Humboldt Indians

why don't cottonking and
Spitfire11 team up together

I am not going to have internet access, so I cannot participate, but I have done a lot of research on possible players, and would like to share that as a co-gm with someone.

I am not going to have internet access, so I cannot participate, but I have done a lot of research on possible players, and would like to share that as a co-gm with someone.

you could co-gm with me if you'd like - i'm going to be busier than expected in the upcoming months so, i'll take all the help i can get

I'll be in. If raleh wants to be my partner in crime again, he will be. If he doesn't, I'll find another co-GM. Perhaps a former tag team partner, or an old rival.

I'd suggest capping this thing at 12 teams. Give first priority to those who are current GMs, and non-GMs who regularly visit this forum. (Lafleur's Guy, willus3, Jabordt, etc).

i cant find anyone you wanna be my partner?

I will be in

i cant find anyone you wanna be my partner?
I'm working with Murphy, my MLD 7 partner in crime.

I am not going to have internet access, so I cannot participate, but I have done a lot of research on possible players, and would like to share that as a co-gm with someone.

i do zero research

:yo: its all in my head:D

I will be in

u would get your post count up to 200 by the time the draft ended ;)

Come on everyone - join! Rookies, vets, everyone! And why so many co-GMs? Consider joining on your own. More teams, more players, more fun!

I'm gonna have to pull out, just don't have the time right now.

I'd be down if I knew what this was :P.

What's with the lack of interest in this thing? Could it be ATD burnout? Perhaps we shouldn't have been so hasty to start ATD9 in the first place.... patience is a virtue ;)

im now out of the draft

it's almost jul 1st

see u all for all time draft 10hf edition

i can sell u a copy of the book edition ;)

Brutal.

It's over Johnny.

It had a good run though.

the playoffs take too long!!!

How can we not have a MLD? It's been a fixture here for the past 5 drafts. The whole draft experience just wouldn't be the same without it. If the remmies of ATD9 and the summer months are getting in everyone's way then just postpone the start of it. It seems that everyone has some sort of deep emotional need to start another ATD six months after the last one started and that is impacting everyone's ability to have something that is a lot of fun - at this point possibly even more fun than the ATD. Look at how bad discussion was throughout ATD9 - it was easily at an all-time low. Same guys participating, same players getting drafted, same old arguments for and against each player, it gets old if we do it this often. I see the ATD as something that should be prestigious. Don't cheapen it! It would not be the end of the world to just put it off until next march. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

I have a terrific name (or some would say DOWNRIGHT AWFUL), but I'm keeping it for the next ATD.

I'll play.

Ill be in Im Sherwood Park Chiefs

I'll play just Pm me with full details and when will this start. I'll give you my team name when I hear back

I'll play just Pm me with full details and when will this start. I'll give you my team name when I hear back

what yah playing?

If there is still space Wisent and I would like to enter a team.

I think I'm going to drop out of the MLD guys... have not been around as much lately and things have been sorta stale. I'm full on ready for the next ATD but I'm gonna have to take a walk on this one. Don't want to half ass it.

Pit, why don't you and wisent split up so that this thing can actually be interesting? Too many no-shows, too many dropouts. We need more teams, more players picked.

I'll be sending out PM's soon to see who's still on-board for this. Anyone 100% committed to being in this please PM me. I'm hoping to begin this by Wednesday at the latest.

Sorry, I'm going to have to sit out for this one. I'll be back for ATD 10.

you should seriously consider cancelling the minor league draft

enjoy the summer.

ATD 10 will start in late sept early oct

If there is still space Wisent and I would like to enter a team.

That team will most likely have some of the most obscure and unknown Euros ever I guess. Sounds like fun.

I'll be sending out PM's soon to see who's still on-board for this. Anyone 100% committed to being in this please PM me. I'm hoping to begin this by Wednesday at the latest.

I'm going to have to see how many people are 100% in before I can 100% committ myself. Even with a co-GM, I don't want to be committed to a draft with GM's that aren't going to make an effort to make picks within their clocks.

you should seriously consider cancelling the minor league draft

enjoy the summer.

ATD 10 will start in late sept early oct

Since when is there a set time that ATD10 has to start, that affects our ability to have a decent MLD?

Since when is there a set time that ATD10 has to start, that affects our ability to have a decent MLD?the MLD is likely not going to run.

I think there's a burn out factor recently... or something. That was a LONG draft.

I think after the delay in ATD 9 (totally my fault) coupled with alot of people's participation in other pretty taxing projects in the HOH forum has alot of people in need of a mental break. I'm prepping stuff for ATD 10 so that it can run much smoother and faster and be alot easier for everyone involved. My plan is to kick off the draft phase of it around the first preseason NHL games.

...and why does ATD10 absolutely have to start in september/october? take it slow! It's OK if we are experiencing burnout - just take a break for a month, start the MLD August 29th, heck, take a break after that's all over, and - this is the part that will blow all of your minds - if we don't start ATD10 until December.... We will all live!

Look at how brutal the discussion was throughout ATD9. Everyone is sick of talking about all these players on such a regular basis, whether they express this or not. To look at the next wave of players will be a welcome change for everyone involved. This time around, many of the best MLD8 players were taken among the 48 extra picks so the landscape for MLD9 is very different and has the potential to be quite exciting.

...and why does ATD10 absolutely have to start in september/october? take it slow! It's OK if we are experiencing burnout - just take a break for a month, start the MLD August 29th, heck, take a break after that's all over, and - this is the part that will blow all of your minds - if we don't start ATD10 until December.... We will all live!

Look at how brutal the discussion was throughout ATD9. Everyone is sick of talking about all these players on such a regular basis, whether they express this or not. To look at the next wave of players will be a welcome change for everyone involved. This time around, many of the best MLD8 players were taken among the 48 extra picks so the landscape for MLD9 is very different and has the potential to be quite exciting.

Good point. Maybe we should kick off the season with the MLD instead of the ATD, just to keep things fresher. Plus it'll give everyone plenty of time to research players for the MLD. It's not often you get a couple months to prep for an MLD after all.

I agree with seventies. While I'm never going to say that the ATD is "boring", I can't help but not really feel excited about starting it right now. Maybe it's just everything about the summer kicking in, but I really don't think there's many of us who after the last 6 months of extensive discussion want to get back into arguing about the same few players. I feel like that, and I wasn't even a part of the HOH Top 100 Project, so I'd imagine there's some people who are feeling the need for a break. That's just my personal opinion, and 'm sure I'm probably wrong, and there are GM's who can't wait to get back. However, I don't see why we can't have a couple month break, and have the MLD PLANNED, for, say October. If there is enough people wanting to have it start earlier then that, then that can be arranged, but the first week of October (and the first week of NHL hockey) seems like a good starting time.

The MLD shouldn't take too long, and hopefully it's wrapped up, playoffs and all by Christmas. Something like the second week of December. Then we can have ATD 10 started on the first week of January 09. About a 6 month gap in between the finish of this draft, and the start of that one. Hmm. Now that I think about it, that's a pretty long time, however, it gives posters like FF and whoever else is administating a lot more time to prepare things for the draft. It also gives new GM's, plenty of time for research, and it also gives returning GM's time to look things up, make plans, etc. In my situation, MLD signups would start in early September, while the ATD signups would start right after the conclusion, or around the conclusion of the MLD. I'm thinking approximately 2-3 weeks in between sign up and the draft. All this should obviously be changed around a bit, but I think my basic timeframe is reasonable and makes sense. Also, having this gap in between makes GM's more hungry. I think you'd probably see less skipped clocks. Just my 2 cents.


Also, don't take blame for the ATD being slow FF, you did a helluva job running the show, and especially as a first time ATD GM, what you did is nothing short of amazing. Not to mention you were one of the biggest parts of organizing the HOH project as well. :handclap:

Yeah, seventieslord is right... instead of being so anxious to start something that can only be made better by waiting longer, let's enjoy the whole ATD process.

My ATD includes the MLD!

Seriously, have some fun! Let's get 20 teams in this thing and make a big event out of it. It's 10 times more interesting than ATD10 will ever hope to be... especially an ATD10 that starts this September.

Let's not make the MLD a bigger deal than it is. While all of this is just for fun, and should be viewed as such, the MLD is a more casual, laid back draft that should be completed in three or four weeks.

We've had trouble getting GMs for this thing, and it won't be easier now. My suggestion would be to run a non-competitive MLD in August - something to keep the minds sharp. I've never been a big fan of having a playoff for the MLD anyways. Then we'd start ATD 10 in mid-to-late September.

But why start ATD10 so soon? Discussion will only be worse than it was last time.

But why start ATD10 so soon? Discussion will only be worse than it was last time.

Agreed (again). Let's wait it out, let GM's get anxious about it. Maybe January is too drastic, how about November then?

Nobody wants to do the MLD right now, so why not wait until we gather more interest? I think it should be part of the drafting process. GBC, it is definitely more laid back then the main draft, which makes it more fun (IMO), because basically everything is open. Even if we need to take a break to make it happen, I personally think it's worth it.

But why start ATD10 so soon? Discussion will only be worse than it was last time.

Discussion wasn't bad in this one I don't know where that perception comes from.

Discussion wasn't bad in this one I don't know where that perception comes from.

I don't know if it's lack of discussion, but the amount of OT discussion that worries some people. That was all because people were missing clocks and not sending in lists, delaying things a ton.

Since when is there a set time that ATD10 has to start, that affects our ability to have a decent MLD?

since the start of the all time draft

we have started the draft in mid sept to early october
Then we start the next major draft around the start if the playoffs.(Early April)

Does that mean it's right? Does that mean we have to keep doing that?

One ATD doesn't start until the one before it is complete. This one's not complete without a MLD.

You should join it, Leaf Lander. There are a lot more ex-Leafs you can take in the MLD than the ATD :D

There were 2 more teams and 48 more picks. We keep trying to cram more and more into the same time frame. Enough is enough! Let's get off the "ATD must start in September" teat. Let's relax and enjoy ourselves.

listen u guys dragged your feet with the mld

its over now imo

enjoy your summer

We didn't drag our feet with anything. the ATD only just ended. If there's a time to start the MLD it's right now. Or, just wait and stop being so attached to starting the ATD in September.

But, great points there, LL.....

If there's anything the drafting process taught us this last time, it's that the old timetables need to tossed out the window when you are dealing with a 32-team draft. I seriously question the feasibility of trying to cram in two complete ATD/MLB/AAA drafts into a single season. I think maybe instead of trying to go psycho and rushing things at a breakneck speed to keep some antiquated schedule we just let it pace itself and if we only get 1 ATD/MLD/AAA trifecta in each season so be it. As it was, less than 25% of the GMs even cast votes after the first round. Heck, the conference finals were determined by a grand total of 7 voters even after I dragged my feet and extended the deadline twice and sent out an additional round of PMs. That fact alone should be a big indication that more isn't necessarily better. We'll start the next ATD when it starts and it'll finish it's 3-draft cycle when it finishes. Trying to speed through it to ensure cramming 2 ATD's into each season (especially if you aren't starting the 2nd 32-team one until the playoffs?!? It'll run well into summer again with abysmally low vote totals) could actually be more harm than good. Not to mention the HOH forum has it's yearly Top 100 updates which some of the ATD GMs will be a part of in all likelihood. Maybe I'm alone but I think slowing the pace down would be better to keep people from burning out.

You're definitely not alone. One year is a great timeframe to do a 32-team ATD, and an MLD, and a AAA.

If there's anything the drafting process taught us this last time, it's that the old timetables need to tossed out the window when you are dealing with a 32-team draft. I seriously question the feasibility of trying to cram in two complete ATD/MLB/AAA drafts into a single season. I think maybe instead of trying to go psycho and rushing things at a breakneck speed to keep some antiquated schedule we just let it pace itself and if we only get 1 ATD/MLD/AAA trifecta in each season so be it. As it was, less than 25% of the GMs even cast votes after the first round. Heck, the conference finals were determined by a grand total of 7 voters even after I dragged my feet and extended the deadline twice and sent out an additional round of PMs. That fact alone should be a big indication that more isn't necessarily better. We'll start the next ATD when it starts and it'll finish it's 3-draft cycle when it finishes. Trying to speed through it to ensure cramming 2 ATD's into each season (especially if you aren't starting the 2nd 32-team one until the playoffs?!? It'll run well into summer again with abysmally low vote totals) could actually be more harm than good. Not to mention the HOH forum has it's yearly Top 100 updates which some of the ATD GMs will be a part of in all likelihood. Maybe I'm alone but I think slowing the pace down would be better to keep people from burning out.

I suggest that we name a alternate for running the draft so we don't have time table issues that we ran into this yr. This would resolve issues for the future if the somone who is running the draft goes awol like you did. I assume you had computer issues or pressing maters. Life happens and its more important then the draft. However it became a problem with completing the draft so everyone can enjoy the summer.

Triple AAA draft was done once. It may not be a annual thing. I see no problem with skipping the minor league draft once. It is not as important as having two major drafts a yr where we select the top 800 players.

The top 100 players process is seperate from the all time draft.

Several people have run this draft: Frightened Inamte BM67 Van Islander Transplanted Caper and I assume several more may run it over the yrs. When life gets busy one can drop this responsability. Vanislander for instance is agreat partipant but when he gets nusy he deals with real life first and we get him back when he isnt so busy. Nothing is permanent in these drafts.

Dragging the draft made the ATD GM's attenion wain! It's a mere blip in the scheme of things.I am a voice of experience so please trust me I have been in every major draft.

Low vote turn out isnt anythig new to the atd near the end. It;s aproblem but rememebr its a fantasy draft so voting isnt that important. One tiem we didnt have the fanatsy aspect or the playoffs. To me the playoffs is the least important part of the draft.I'll give it this it was very entertaining to read what was written by the gm/writer contributers.

If you want to blame me for the lower turnout then fine, I'll take the blame. That doesn't really address the main issue I brought up however. If you think someone else running the draft would be better, fine as well but the points I raised remain.

Skipping the MLD/AAA really doesn't matter to me as I don't feel they are required parts of the process. They do seem to be enjoyed by several of the GMs however who may not feel skipping them to ensure getting an additional ATD squeezed in is preferable. seventieslord feels that you. You don't. I really don't have an opinion so I think that's an issue better left alone until next season when the full ATD crew is around to discuss it.

Yes, the Top 100 project is a completely separate entity from the ATD. Unfortunately we don't live in compartmentalized worlds. There will be a least a handful of GMs who will probably want to begin participating or continue their participation in it. I'm in a unique position with that to be able to try and work that timetable around the ATD as best as possible. However, that doesn't mean some accomodations on the ATD can't be discussed as well. The worst case scenario would be forcing some of the best HOH posters and ATD GMs to have to decide which of the two to be involved in, and my goal is to make it as unlikely as possible for that situation to have to arise for anyone. We're here to have fun, and I see no reason why such a hard-line approach towards anyone who wants to be in the HOH project is necessary. Am I asking the ATD to conform around the HOH project? No, there may not even have to be anything to discuss altering depending on how the updates will be structured. All I'm doing is pointing out a potential issue for some posters and asking you to be open to discussing options that may solve them, if necessary.

The draft process dragging along wasn't a product of me. That was a product of having the largest ATD ever of 32 teams, with a couple GMs being routinely slow/late with their picks. I jumped into the process in the middle and tried to pick it up on the fly. I made mistakes, but in the end I think the actual draft worked. There are definitely some chinks that will need to be discussed and worked out, but this time we'll be ready for them and I'll be far more prepared to run the draft (assuming the consensus wishes me to continue in that capacity). Attention did wane, but that was well before the playoffs started. After the regular-season standings vote, the turnout dropped off like a rock. You say this is normal and I can't really argue that point since this is my first one, but turnout was already well below 50% before the delay prior to the conference finals, so I don't think you can lump all the blame for waning interest on me.

Things will get better, but that doesn't mean there aren't still problems to discuss. In any case, skipping MLD9 would be my preference at this point since initial interest was very low and I'd honestly rather enjoy the summer and prepare for classes right now.

I resent the way you say someone else should be in charge - if you admit it was due to computer issues and pressing matters then wouldn't you agree that kind of thing can happen to anyone? You're implying that FF is less than reliable - and he's done a great job.

The MLD absolutely is important. It's more important than just starting to pick the same 700 players a month from now. That is a no-brainer.

Your voice of experience means nothing to me. Your reasoning is that we've always done things a certain way so we have to keep doing them that way. I'm telling you we keep cramming more and more into the same 6 month time frame and it's NOT working anymore. That's the truth. You need to accept that.

I resent the way you say someone else should be in charge - if you admit it was due to computer issues and pressing matters then wouldn't you agree that kind of thing can happen to anyone? You're implying that FF is less than reliable - and he's done a great job.

The MLD absolutely is important. It's more important than just starting to pick the same 700 players a month from now. That is a no-brainer.

Your voice of experience means nothing to me. Your reasoning is that we've always done things a certain way so we have to keep doing them that way. I'm telling you we keep cramming more and more into the same 6 month time frame and it's NOT working anymore. That's the truth. You need to accept that.

Look beyond your man crush on FF
That said he did a good job on the last draft.

However; he is just a gm who ran the draft once. We should call that position the centeral GM.

If the centeral GM disapears without explaination we should have somone to step in within 2 or 3 days to take over.We dont want to repeat of this issue again.

I say what needs to be said if you whipper snappers don't like it too bad

A smooth running draft in a efficient manner is more important then the padding of internet egos.

I am most certain you wont get many changes in the draft.

Dream on fellas :D

Look beyond your man crush on FF
That said he did a good job on the last draft.

However; he is just a gm who ran the draft once. We should call that position the centeral GM.

If the centeral GM disapears without explaination we should have somone to step in within 2 or 3 days to take over.We dont want to repeat of this issue again.

I say what needs to be said if you whipper snappers don't like it too bad

A smooth running draft in a efficient manner is more important then the padding of internet egos.

I am most certain you wont get many changes in the draft.

Dream on fellas :D

OK. Seriously man, put a sock in it. I have no allegiance to FF, he's just another one of many good posters in these sections. Your implications are out of line but that's not really surprising since every time you lose in round 1 you claim no one knows what they're talking about except you.

Enough with the "veteran" pomposity. You may have been in this thing from the start but I have been around long enough to know that, especially with you, that does not mean your voice carries any more weight around here. At best, you are the class clown to these people. At worst... I'll bite my tongue.

No one is pressing for any major change. But the timelines we are trying to work within are ridiculous. Even if we did not have a MLD this time, this is way too soon to start another ATD and start analyzing the same top-100 players for the third time in the past six months. Besides, why are you so anxious to just jump right back into something in which you're going to make the same mistakes and lose again? Take some time and study something about some players - and not just ex-Leafs - besides their career point totals.

You're not saying what needs to be said. You're trying to maintain a status quo that is just plain wrong. Just call me Brendan Shanahan - I'm rallying against the old establishment, fighting for change - with real valid reasons, not lame-ass arguments like "im teh voiec of experence" and "its all ways ben taht way since teh strat".

Ok I think that's enough. Let's just drop this before it gets too out-of-hand. Step away from the keyboards, take a deep breath, and think happy thoughts. The current direction of this conversation will result in nothing positive.

If I did that, FF, how could I continue to stroke your ego? :)

If I did that, FF, how could I continue to stroke your ego? :)

:help::D

this idea of one dart if your idea alone
triple aa draft doesnt appeal to me whatsoever a minor league draft of 6-21 gms does.

But its not something that I want to do all the time

this idea of one dart if your idea alone

Not trying to be a smartass, but huh? I seriously can't figure out what that means/

The ATD has been working fine with an ATD draft starting every six months. In fact, they've been getting progressively better with each draft. Why would we change it now? The system works, start the next draft in September.

The last draft went long, but that's because some guys went a little over-the-top with the write-ups. (If they're not done within 48 hours, move on). The bottom line is that many GMs just don't care after they have been eliminated. Frankly, I don't agree with it, but I don't blame them, and unless you make voting a requirement for future ATD participation, you won't get votes from most eliminated GMs.

The MLD is a fun, nice side attraction, but that's it. We shouldn't be delaying the next ATD for the sake of the MLD. If we have an MLD, that's great. If we don't, too bad, but move on. And it should be capped to 12 teams. With 32 teams in the ATD, and then an MLD, you're going to be grasping straws in a hurry.

As for the AAA draft, there's a reason I didn't participate in it. I'm not a fan of the format. I don't see a need for it. It happened once. And I don't see the need for another one.

The AAA draft was expendable. The MLD is not.

I see no grasping at straws, personally... There is always a "next best" player to take, no matter how far you go.

Why not just do the MLD draft now for whatever players that want to participate. 6, 9, 12... whatever. And we'll start the next ATD whenever we feel like it. If the end of the MLD and the start of the ATD cross over is that really a huge deal? People participate in multiple fantasy drafts all the time. Do you really need to have a drawn out playoff process for the MLD? Just do it now if you want to do it... and we can start the ATD in October. We're talking 12 GMs out of 32 or more possible GMs. I see no reason to hold things up for the next ATD for that reason.

That idea is good in principle, but because of how long the ATD took this time, people are saying "awww, forget it" mainly because the last one just ended and the next one is going to start so soon. So if we "just do the MLD draft now for whatever players that want to participate" what that really means is to not have the MLD because not enough people want to participate at this moment for the above reasons. If we gave it a month or two, many of the same people who are gearing up for the upcoming ATD would no longer be burned out and would participate in the MLD, which takes maybe 2 months, then we could start ATD10 after that.

We have to come to grips with the fact that there's just too much to comfortably fit in that six-month window now.

Well so you say... we don't have to come to grips with anything frankly. The interest in the ATD has always been strong enough to get a full draft and run it at a relatively quick pace. The only issues really have been completing the playoff format with enough interest.

Again forcing us to delay the ATD for the MLD means you're saying 30 plus GMs have to wait for 6 to 12. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Do it now or forever hold your peace.

Well then let's start it up - but we'd be still doing it when the next ATD starts as "scheduled", or delaying the next ATD by a couple of weeks to accomodate the end of the MLD, neither of which are really very catastrophic scenarios.

Who's still in this thing, anyway?

frankly it isnt there call to force a minor league draft.

Interest isnt there this yr

leave it be.

I'll run the main atd in sept or october.

So it's your call to say whose call it is?

Whose call is it, then?

There's no call as to whether the MLD will go on or not. If someone want to moderate it, go ahead and start it. And if there's only 5-6 GM's who want to do it, so be it.

In other term, do whatever the heck you want. No one has the control on the ATD and can decide what we do or not.

(BTW, I do not want to participate, but damn if some people want some fun and do a ATD, just do it)

Good point. I just sent out some PMs in an attempt to get this going. Probably won't work, but it was worth a shot.

So it's your call to say whose call it is?

Whose call is it, then?

your one of the one strying to force a mld down everyones throats.

It should had occured and ended by now.

It's not wanted so stop acting like a lil girl looking to get her own way:D

your one of the one strying to force a mld down everyones throats.

It should had occured and ended by now.

It's not wanted so stop acting like a lil girl looking to get her own way:D

You know, you may have an easier time condescending if you had at least an elementary grasp of our language.

You know, you may have an easier time condescending if you had at least an elementary grasp of our language.

sweetheart let me tell u what i do know

I won and you lost:razz:

sweetheart let me tell u what i do know

I won and you lost:razz:

Uh, really?