Child Prodigy

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richardson100
09-20-2008, 10:13 PM
Alright, so I know that child prodigies in hockey only come along once in a blue, but they do happen. Crosby first got noticed when he was 13. Are there any youngsters who are starting to raise some eye brows like Crosby did?

Heat McManus
09-20-2008, 10:17 PM
there was a kid a few years ago named Horylchuck or something, but I haven't heard anything since. Other than that, nothing since Tavares has had the hype.

Vikke
09-20-2008, 10:20 PM
That kid from winnipeg (??), nine years old or something? baseball talent as well. He comes to mind.

Granlund2Pulkkinen*
09-20-2008, 10:21 PM
Where's Orca Wiesblat :P

DreamCatcher*
09-20-2008, 10:32 PM
wasn't there a news feature on a kid that scored 200+ goals in a season?

Passchendaele
09-20-2008, 10:42 PM
Jayce Hawryluk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7-gxXfK34

octopi
09-20-2008, 10:45 PM
I remember a tv special on Russian hockey a couple years back, and they feature a kid named Zhenya Kuznetsov who was tearing up his league at age 12.

Qubax
09-21-2008, 05:56 PM
Anyone remember that kid, I think he was maybe from B.C....his name was something like "Ocean _ _ _ _ _ _"..I can remember his last name...but I remember thinking...who names their kid Ocean??? And maybe he actually will be good...

The Korean*
09-21-2008, 05:57 PM
Any Badgers fans here? A 14 year old committed to Wisconsin.

Don Draper
09-21-2008, 06:04 PM
there is always hope for dustin rose

rt
09-21-2008, 06:10 PM
there is always hope for dustin rose

I just knew that name would be resurected in this thread.

Stealth JD
09-21-2008, 06:40 PM
Anyone remember that kid, I think he was maybe from B.C....his name was something like "Ocean _ _ _ _ _ _"..I can remember his last name...but I remember thinking...who names their kid Ocean??? And maybe he actually will be good...Ocean Wiesblatt...he with the brother named Orca Wiesblatt

Hale The Villain
09-21-2008, 10:32 PM
Jayce Hawryluk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7-gxXfK34

He kinda sucks now

Well he's ok, just like everyone else. The team he is playing in that video was about 30 minutes from where I live. So is he like famous or something?

hockeywhiz
09-21-2008, 11:47 PM
Where's Orca Wiesblat :P

Didn't you see Orca Wiesblatt in Chicago last summer. He was the only 2000 born player on 1999 Chicago Selects team in Las Vegas. He joined Ocean and his teammates for one major tournament. Orca and Ocean were the only British Columbia born players representing 1999 Chicago Cougars.
I was a junior instructor at try out camp and saw four Wiesblatt boys. They're awesome. They are talking about Wiesblatt boys becoming next great hockey family. Of course, hockey is a great passion in Canada where Sutters, Niedermayers, Stalls, and Wiesblatts come from. One of parents mentioned to me that Ocean is riding 120 to 150 km every week during summer time. Other interesting thing about Ocean, he had been growing his hair in order to donate it for wigs for those battling cancer. I think it was about 15 inches that he donated. so, he's extremely mature and has a mental toughness. I could see he has a strong leadership as well.
However, I heard another rumor about Wiesblatt boys that a neighbouring association tried to recruit them because they would put Ocean in pee wee level instead of Atom and other kids in higher level. But, they backed out because their local minor hockey association threatened them with a long term suspension. Anyway, Wiesblatt boys are true child prodigies.

AgentNaslund*
09-22-2008, 02:31 AM
Alright, so I know that child prodigies in hockey only come along once in a blue, but they do happen. Crosby first got noticed when he was 13. Are there any youngsters who are starting to raise some eye brows like Crosby did?

Dave Gagner knew about Cody Hodgsons and Steve Stamkos when they were both 11 years old.

Jason Spezza was known by alot of scouts when he was age 11.

Sidney Crosby was probably discovered way before the age of 13.

Alot of star players get discovered, dosent mean, its "hes gonna be a super star"
but more like, "hes probably gonna end up playing in the NHL one day" type

Sony Eriksson*
09-22-2008, 09:14 AM
Ocean Wiesblatt...he with the brother named Orca Wiesblatt

Vancouver should sign Orca!

Teddy Peckman
09-22-2008, 10:04 AM
Vancouver should sign Orca!

Too bad the Whalers weren't still around. He could play on Hartford, and Ocean could play for the Islanders.

Cactus Jack
09-22-2008, 12:38 PM
Taylar Hall is only 16 or 17.

deanosaur
09-22-2008, 12:58 PM
Taylar Hall is only 16 or 17.

I really wouldn't call him a child prodigy. He is very good though.

JFA87-66-99
09-22-2008, 07:49 PM
Didn't you see Orca Wiesblatt in Chicago last summer. He was the only 2000 born player on 1999 Chicago Selects team in Las Vegas. He joined Ocean and his teammates for one major tournament. Orca and Ocean were the only British Columbia born players representing 1999 Chicago Cougars.
I was a junior instructor at try out camp and saw four Wiesblatt boys. They're awesome. They are talking about Wiesblatt boys becoming next great hockey family. Of course, hockey is a great passion in Canada where Sutters, Niedermayers, Stalls, and Wiesblatts come from. One of parents mentioned to me that Ocean is riding 120 to 150 km every week during summer time. Other interesting thing about Ocean, he had been growing his hair in order to donate it for wigs for those battling cancer. I think it was about 15 inches that he donated. so, he's extremely mature and has a mental toughness. I could see he has a strong leadership as well.
However, I heard another rumor about Wiesblatt boys that a neighbouring association tried to recruit them because they would put Ocean in pee wee level instead of Atom and other kids in higher level. But, they backed out because their local minor hockey association threatened them with a long term suspension. Anyway, Wiesblatt boys are true child prodigies.

How many points did Ocean score in atom hockey? It must have been a lot to be considered for Pee Wee already
What is the youngest a player has ever played Pee Wee level hockey?

CM-
09-23-2008, 02:17 AM
How many points did Ocean score in atom hockey? It must have been a lot to be considered for Pee Wee already
What is the youngest a player has ever played Pee Wee level hockey?

Wasn't Gretzky 9 or 10 in Pee wee hockey but it could be bantam he was in Atom at 6.

TheGoldenJet
09-23-2008, 04:33 PM
Ocean Wiesblatt...he with the brother named Orca Wiesblatt

Oh god that's rich. :laugh:

N Bahn Ahden
09-24-2008, 01:44 PM
I just knew that name would be resurected in this thread.

You can't lose faith that someday he will lace them up in the NHL.

rt
09-24-2008, 03:54 PM
You can't lose faith that someday he will lace them up in the NHL.

It's too soon to get back into this. It won't be funny again for another couple of years.

Epatt001
09-25-2008, 05:35 PM
why do you ask?

http://asapblogs.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/24/ap070327047448_3.jpg

CurtisLoew
09-26-2008, 01:14 AM
there is always hope for dustin rose

I heard he's benching 1400 pounds now, wasn't his draft year 08?

kingpin_19
09-26-2008, 01:22 AM
According to the Stratford Minor Hockey Association Mr. Dustin Rose won the Elwin (Moe) Morris Award in 2000 as the outstanding defenseman at the Major PeeWee Division...so that would make him 19 or 20 at this point...

deanosaur
09-26-2008, 01:42 AM
According to the Stratford Minor Hockey Association Mr. Dustin Rose won the Elwin (Moe) Morris Award in 2000 as the outstanding defenseman at the Major PeeWee Division...so that would make him 19 or 20 at this point...

Did I completely miss something?
Dustin Rose does sound a bit familiar... but not really ringin any bells.

JFA87-66-99
09-26-2008, 09:47 AM
That Dustin Rose cat stinks. He pulled a Stefan in a breakaway contest, and then fell and slamed into the boards breaking his ankle like crosby did.

Airborne Troll*
09-26-2008, 09:48 AM
It doesn't only take talent to get to the NHL

It takes speed, physical play and dedication

Jussi
09-26-2008, 12:15 PM
That Dustin Rose cat stinks. He pulled a Stefan in a breakaway contest, and then fell and slamed into the boards breaking his ankle like crosby did.

But that didn't stop him from playing in the next game and scoring a hat trick.

illogic
09-26-2008, 12:23 PM
That Dustin Rose cat stinks. He pulled a Stefan in a breakaway contest, and then fell and slamed into the boards breaking his ankle like crosby did.

You got it wrong, it was the boards that broke from contact with his ankle.

IBleedOil247
09-26-2008, 01:54 PM
Edwin Carriere from Edmonton. He will be my son when he is born in about 5 years. Look for him at the draft in 2030.

Heat McManus
09-28-2008, 04:45 PM
According to the Stratford Minor Hockey Association Mr. Dustin Rose won the Elwin (Moe) Morris Award in 2000 as the outstanding defenseman at the Major PeeWee Division...so that would make him 19 or 20 at this point...

Yeah except for the fact that Dustin Rose played Major PeeWee at 14 weeks.

DaveG
09-28-2008, 05:12 PM
Yeah except for the fact that Dustin Rose played Major PeeWee at 14 weeks.

Yeah but he was only 5'7, 180 at that point and only racked up 200 penalty minutes, all from fights. Nobody could tell the monster he would become.

the_speedster
09-28-2008, 05:14 PM
According to the Stratford Minor Hockey Association Mr. Dustin Rose won the Elwin (Moe) Morris Award in 2000 as the outstanding defenseman at the Major PeeWee Division...so that would make him 19 or 20 at this point...

I thought he was a forward :sarcasm:

Heat McManus
09-28-2008, 05:19 PM
Yeah but he was only 5'7, 180 at that point and only racked up 200 penalty minutes, all from fights. Nobody could tell the monster he would become.

It was actually 203 penalty minutes. All from fights. THAT'S how good DR is!

DaveG
09-28-2008, 05:31 PM
I've heard he's become even more badass the past couple years. That ref that tried to give him the instigator penalty last year? That was classic. I don't think I could have ever seen someone dropkick another human so hard that it would be like Bobby Knight punting that basketball. Well, Bobby kicking a basketball had NOTHING on Dustin.

the_speedster
09-28-2008, 09:42 PM
I've heard he's become even more badass the past couple years. That ref that tried to give him the instigator penalty last year? That was classic. I don't think I could have ever seen someone dropkick another human so hard that it would be like Bobby Knight punting that basketball. Well, Bobby kicking a basketball had NOTHING on Dustin.

I heard the NFL extended him an offer. If that little hockey thing didn't work out, he could always try being a kicker

Heat McManus
09-28-2008, 09:44 PM
I heard the NFL extended him an offer. If that little hockey thing didn't work out, he could always try being a kicker

their offer was open ended. Any team, any position. Just sign and destroy.

chaosrevolver
09-28-2008, 09:51 PM
John McFarland was talked about pretty early in his life. Maybe 11 or 12. He has a point in two games so far in his rookie season with Sudbury.

JFA87-66-99
09-29-2008, 08:42 AM
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Friesen/2005/12/15/1354151-sun.html

I found this old article about Jayce Hawrluk. Is there any recent news about him? Is he still dominating like this? Does anyone know what team he was or is playing for, and in how many games did he score all these goals? I thought in Novice level they only played 20 games a season or so with maybe a few tournaments in there. Thats a lot of goals scored.
It says in the article he scored 250+ Goals in a season when he was 7 years old, and then 300+ Goals when he was 8 years old. I'm assuming it was the Novice division, but then it says he had 61 goals in 17 Games in his first season in Atom Hockey. Does anyone know what his stats were like for the past few seasons? Those stats in novice and atom seem a little unrealistic, and not even Wayne Gretzky had stats like that when he was a kid except for his 378 goal season when he was 10. What's the most Goals or Points a player has ever scored in 1 season in Novice,Atom,Pee Wee,or Bantam level hockey? I always thought nobody ever dominated there youth hockey days like gretzky, but after reading this article I'm not sure now. Also heard Ocean Wiesblatt dominated his novice division, but not sure about his exact stats, but I'm sure they were off the charts.

Saad Panda
09-29-2008, 06:21 PM
Jayce Hawryluk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7-gxXfK34

some say he won't make it with that size.

spintheblackcircle
09-29-2008, 07:30 PM
Didn't you see Orca Wiesblatt in Chicago last summer. He was the only 2000 born player on 1999 Chicago Selects team in Las Vegas. He joined Ocean and his teammates for one major tournament. Orca and Ocean were the only British Columbia born players representing 1999 Chicago Cougars.
I was a junior instructor at try out camp and saw four Wiesblatt boys. They're awesome. They are talking about Wiesblatt boys becoming next great hockey family. Of course, hockey is a great passion in Canada where Sutters, Niedermayers, Stalls, and Wiesblatts come from. One of parents mentioned to me that Ocean is riding 120 to 150 km every week during summer time. Other interesting thing about Ocean, he had been growing his hair in order to donate it for wigs for those battling cancer. I think it was about 15 inches that he donated. so, he's extremely mature and has a mental toughness. I could see he has a strong leadership as well.
However, I heard another rumor about Wiesblatt boys that a neighbouring association tried to recruit them because they would put Ocean in pee wee level instead of Atom and other kids in higher level. But, they backed out because their local minor hockey association threatened them with a long term suspension. Anyway, Wiesblatt boys are true child prodigies.

http://www.jewishindependent.ca/Archives/Nov07/archives07Nov09-06.html

Wow, the kid is 8 and speaks 4 languages as well. Both parents are deaf but all 4 kids can hear.

Jussi
10-01-2008, 06:40 AM
I thought he was a forward :sarcasm:

He can play any position, forward, defenseman, goalie.

kingpin_19
10-01-2008, 06:00 PM
He can play any position, forward, defenseman, goalie.

I heard the Leafs were looking at him as their next GM. Their plan was to trade all of their players away (except Schenn) and replace them with players from the Central Hockey League and make Dustin the playing-General Manager. A seemingly flawless plan. However, the deal fell through when Rose demanded that he get 600 grizzly bears to kill and feed on, and the Bruins...well, lets just say they were threatening to sue...

deanosaur
10-01-2008, 06:04 PM
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=122095

:laugh: *******s.

Hockey is my life
08-19-2009, 09:12 PM
Having had the pleasure to coach Orca Wiesblatt, I have to say that he is not the prodigy child some think. He beats to the tune of his own drum and is not a team player. When he tries to skate end to end and gets checked, there is no backchecking, just waiting for another breakout pass.

Seems to me like this is marketing propaganda with an agenda. He has a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to succeed.:shakehead

glovesave_35
08-19-2009, 09:59 PM
By definition, wouldn't we all kind of already know if there were a child prodigy out there? I mean, wasn't Crosby's "behind the net fling it into the net in midair" goal shown on HNIC when he was 15ish?...and even then his name had been known for a while.

monotone
08-19-2009, 11:39 PM
Can somebody tell me what ever happened to Sam Calabrese?

Spamhuis
08-19-2009, 11:58 PM
Calabrese, a 5-foot-10, 170-pound defenseman for the U.S. National Team Development Program in Ann Arbor, Mich., played in 47 games for the U-17 team last year and had 12 points (4 goals, 8 assists). He figures the time most of the players spent together last year will pay off as he dons the U-18 jersey this season.

Granlund2Pulkkinen*
08-20-2009, 12:23 AM
Can somebody tell me what ever happened to Sam Calabrese?

Growth spurt...

he's not a very nice guy either. I know a few of his friends.

William H Bonney
08-20-2009, 01:36 AM
Calabrese, a 5-foot-10, 170-pound defenseman for the U.S. National Team Development Program in Ann Arbor, Mich., played in 47 games for the U-17 team last year and had 12 points (4 goals, 8 assists). He figures the time most of the players spent together last year will pay off as he dons the U-18 jersey this season.

This is a year old. Calabrese was one the U-18 team this year but was demoted to the U-17 team. His time with the NTDP is over.

mercury
08-20-2009, 03:39 AM
Angelo Esposito was fairly young when people were hyping him on here. Devon MacAusland, too.

james bond
08-20-2009, 11:42 AM
Does anyone have thoughts on Jordan Challis (the New Zealander), who was somewhere in the Markham Waxers team?

monotone
08-20-2009, 12:07 PM
Growth spurt...

he's not a very nice guy either. I know a few of his friends.

So he's got attitude problems? What else is setting him back?

Like can anybody tell me what his chances are to make it to the NHL, if ever?

I just did a little research, and saw that he is committed to Notre Dame. Does anyone think his time in the NCAA will help him develop into a good prospect?

kmillzy5
08-20-2009, 12:45 PM
http://kimmacdonaldimages.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/DSC_9642tuvigbwhcblog.jpg
the scouts like his skill, but his work ethic is a constant issue..

Hanson95
08-20-2009, 12:58 PM
Lol. Nathan MacKinnon? He lives in NS, but is going to Shattuck, the same prep school Crosby went to for hockey.

BigAl
08-20-2009, 05:45 PM
That kid from winnipeg (??), nine years old or something? baseball talent as well. He comes to mind.

Yeah, I remember reading about a kid here in Winnipeg, in the local paper. I didn't bother taking note of his name though, because he is still so far away from being drafted.

AmartZing
08-20-2009, 06:21 PM
Lol i scouted Marian Gaborik when he was something like 13-14 in Quebec Pee Wee tournament...the kid was awesome...i remember him from there

kmillzy5
08-20-2009, 07:39 PM
Lol i scouted Marian Gaborik when he was something like 13-14 in Quebec Pee Wee tournament...the kid was awesome...i remember him from there

played that tournament 5 years back.. everyone on team Russia was amazing..

Canad93
08-20-2009, 09:12 PM
Dave Gagner knew about Cody Hodgsons and Steve Stamkos when they were both 11 years old.

Jason Spezza was known by alot of scouts when he was age 11.

Sidney Crosby was probably discovered way before the age of 13.

Alot of star players get discovered, dosent mean, its "hes gonna be a super star"
but more like, "hes probably gonna end up playing in the NHL one day" type

That's because Sam Gagner played on their team...
That was the legendary Markham Waxers team coached by Paul Titanic that won something like 7 AAA All-Ontario's in a row wasn't it?

Canad93
08-20-2009, 09:19 PM
Nik Antropov was scouted at the Riverside International Bantam/Midget Tournament in Windsor, Ontario when Team Kazakhstan came...He was the 1993 Tournament MVP.

There was a kid from the Moscow North Stars selects team a few years ago..maybe 07/08 season. His name was Ilya Novikov. He did really well; fast as hell, great hands, great shot, gritty. He had a temper too. He got into some scrums, and when he got pissed off, he would smoke people. He kind of took it too far though, with his bad attitude.
He was scouted by Saginaw, Peterborough, Plymouth, Windsor and maybe a few other OHL teams, and actually was invited to skate with some apparently.
I don't know what happened to him though; haven't heard much of him since.
:laugh: There was a fight at the end of the championship game, a big one after Moscow beat some Michigan team in OT. Novikov ended up taking someone's stick and smashing it in two over the glass, but after the game he went over and gave him two more..

WhiskeyYourTheDevils
08-20-2009, 09:38 PM
that kid kevin roy was pretty sick when he was 13 (atleast in the shootout). Anybody know where hes at now?

Slitty
08-21-2009, 04:50 AM
I remember a tv special on Russian hockey a couple years back, and they feature a kid named Zhenya Kuznetsov who was tearing up his league at age 12.
The one who will likely be a first rounder in the coming draft?

New Liskeard
08-21-2009, 10:54 AM
http://www.jewishindependent.ca/Archives/Nov07/archives07Nov09-06.html

Wow, the kid is 8 and speaks 4 languages as well. Both parents are deaf but all 4 kids can hear.

Deafness is not necesarilly herediatary, both my sister and I are hearing while our parents are not. I actually know some people with the name of Weisblatt, where are they from? Who are the parents?

Ryan Van Horne
08-21-2009, 12:26 PM
The one who will likely be a first rounder in the coming draft?

That's Evgeny, no? Or is Zhenya a nickname for Evgeny like Sasha is for Alexander and Pasha for Pavel?

rt
07-22-2013, 12:53 AM
Bump. How are the prodigies coming along? Jayce Hawryluk looks like he will be a first round NHL draft pick, but what about some of the other names?

jfb392
07-22-2013, 01:22 AM
Bump. How are the prodigies coming along? Jayce Hawryluk looks like he will be a first round NHL draft pick, but what about some of the other names?Looks like the only name mentioned that isn't fairly well known yet is Ocean Wiesblatt.
As a 99, the upcoming season is his WHL draft year, but I'm not even completely sure where he's playing.
He was listed as an affiliate player with the Calgary Buffaloes Bantam AAA team for a bit of time, but never played any games and is not even playing within the CBHA system on a AA team.
I believe he's likely playing for Shaw Meadows, a lower level association that covers the same area as CBHA.

Patmac40
07-22-2013, 01:23 AM
Bump. How are the prodigies coming along? Jayce Hawryluk looks like he will be a first round NHL draft pick, but what about some of the other names?

Will he? That's pretty cool if he is. And Zhenya is Yevgeni Kuznetsov from earlier in this thread which is cool to think about.

Fraser Read
07-22-2013, 01:30 AM
Lol. Nathan MacKinnon? He lives in NS, but is going to Shattuck, the same prep school Crosby went to for hockey.Pretty amazing he got mentioned 4 years before his draft year and then goes first overall.

tucker3434
07-22-2013, 01:45 AM
Pretty amazing he got mentioned 4 years before his draft year and then goes first overall.

Not bad considering he was 13 at the time. That's a hell of a projection.

maroon 6
07-22-2013, 01:46 AM
Lol. Nathan MacKinnon? He lives in NS, but is going to Shattuck, the same prep school Crosby went to for hockey.

Good call. Mackinnon was 13 when this comment was posted.

Leaf Rocket
07-22-2013, 02:00 AM
Some pretty cool things for sure.

WhiskeyYourTheDevils
07-22-2013, 06:57 AM
that kid kevin roy was pretty sick when he was 13 (atleast in the shootout). Anybody know where hes at now?

Seems to be a very promising prospect with 1st line potential now after a superb freshman year in the NCAA. I think he could end up being a big time goal scorer with those hands.

NEhockeycoach
07-22-2013, 07:42 AM
I'm not going to call this kid a prodigy, but a name to keep an eye out for as a little guy in New England is Jake Wise. 2000 born player, set a new scoring record in Tournois International De Hockey Pee-Wee de Quebec (or called the Q around here). 19 points in 6 games. Time will tell if he continues to develop along this path.

S E P H
07-22-2013, 12:12 PM
Here is a few I am currently watching due to the hype,

Mathias Emilio Pettersen - Norway
Adam Tilander (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=147733) - Sweden
Kieran Brown (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=233990) - England
Vitaly Abramov - Russia

There is also supposed to be an amazing American player who was born somewhere around 2000, but I forgot his name.

danyhabsfan
07-22-2013, 12:22 PM
I'm not going to call this kid a prodigy, but a name to keep an eye out for as a little guy in New England is Jake Wise. 2000 born player, set a new scoring record in Tournois International De Hockey Pee-Wee de Quebec (or called the Q around here). 19 points in 6 games. Time will tell if he continues to develop along this path.

any video of this kid?

irunthepeg
07-22-2013, 01:28 PM
Lol. Nathan MacKinnon? He lives in NS, but is going to Shattuck, the same prep school Crosby went to for hockey.

Nice call on that one.

JJTT
07-22-2013, 01:36 PM
From Finland Urho Vaakainen has been talked about for almost 2 years now and he's only 14. Already playing on the u18 league.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=180538

dwanmaster*
07-22-2013, 01:58 PM
From Finland Urho Vaakainen has been talked about for almost 2 years now and he's only 14. Allready playing on the u18 league.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=180538

Sick Name!

seadawg
07-22-2013, 02:00 PM
Here is a few I am currently watching due to the hype,

Mathias Emilio Pettersen - Norway
Adam Tilander (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=147733) - Sweden
Kieran Brown (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=233990) - England
Vitaly Abramov - Russia

There is also supposed to be an amazing American player who was born somewhere around 2000, but I forgot his name.

there's a non-traditional hockey market for you...be interested to see if he gets drafted...he'd surely have to move to another country at some point if he wants to continue to develop, I assume

Brewster
07-22-2013, 05:17 PM
Will he? That's pretty cool if he is. And Zhenya is Yevgeni Kuznetsov from earlier in this thread which is cool to think about.
http://www.whl.ca/roster/show/id/10645

Plays for Brandon in the WHL. 43 points in 61 games last year.

will13
07-23-2013, 03:14 AM
Jake wise. One of the more dominant peewee players I've seen. Watched him play in that tournament in Quebec and he lit it up. Keep your eye on him

BillDineen
07-23-2013, 03:58 AM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dustin%20Rose

FrozenJagrt
07-23-2013, 06:38 PM
That poster mentioning MacKinnon wasn't exactly reading tea leaves or anything. Even back then MacKinnon was very well known. I remember hearing about him around that time, had read an article where some scout felt that MacKinnon would be the next Lindros. Obviously that never transpired. But yes, MacKinnon has been a well known name for years.

FrozenJagrt
07-23-2013, 06:40 PM
Seems to be a very promising prospect with 1st line potential now after a superb freshman year in the NCAA. I think he could end up being a big time goal scorer with those hands.

First line potential? Really? He's 5'10, 170 pounds, turned 20 in May and was taken in the fourth round in 2012. A good (not great) NCAA year doesn't make him a future superstar.

IHaveNoCreativity
07-24-2013, 02:42 AM
Joey Veleno, he's probably the best 2000 in QC. He's bigger then most of the kids though.

He will likely play Midget AAA at 14... From there I don't know. Someone to watch for though.

He might have a shot.

f1nn
07-24-2013, 04:40 AM
Sick Name!

even better on google translate: https://translate.google.fi/?hl=en&tab=wT#auto/en/urho%20vaakanainen

Mighty woman with a horizontal :D :laugh:

CouchScout
07-24-2013, 12:03 PM
Sean Dhooghe-USA(1999) and Brady Berger-Canada(1999) are a couple of names I have seen thrown around here.

Dustin Peener
07-24-2013, 01:23 PM
there's a non-traditional hockey market for you...be interested to see if he gets drafted...he'd surely have to move to another country at some point if he wants to continue to develop, I assume

This kid scored 164 points in 15 games in the U12 league, nobody else has even come close to those numbers in the last 10 years of recorded stats.

By not even close, I'm talking nobody has even scored 100 points. Brendan Perlini (OHL Niagara) scored 89 points in 17 games at the same level.

Breakfast of Champs
07-24-2013, 01:34 PM
This kid scored 164 points in 15 games in the U12 league, nobody else has even come close to those numbers in the last 10 years of recorded stats.

By not even close, I'm talking nobody has even scored 100 points. Brendan Perlini (OHL Niagara) scored 89 points in 17 games at the same level.

....What are the scores of these games???

Dustin Peener
07-24-2013, 01:37 PM
....What are the scores of these games???

Keiran Brown's team scored more than 11 goals per game and conceded less than 6 per game. The games are usually 3x15 periods of stop clock. But these statistics do not represent the league average at all.

He scored 141 of his teams' 189 goals

sharks9
07-24-2013, 01:46 PM
This kid scored 164 points in 15 games in the U12 league, nobody else has even come close to those numbers in the last 10 years of recorded stats.

By not even close, I'm talking nobody has even scored 100 points. Brendan Perlini (OHL Niagara) scored 89 points in 17 games at the same level.

He averages over 10PPG? That's insane, no matter what league it is.

Dustin Peener
07-24-2013, 01:49 PM
He also lead the U14 league in scoring with 80 points in 18 games

Leafs21
07-24-2013, 02:40 PM
This kid scored 164 points in 15 games in the U12 league, nobody else has even come close to those numbers in the last 10 years of recorded stats.

By not even close, I'm talking nobody has even scored 100 points. Brendan Perlini (OHL Niagara) scored 89 points in 17 games at the same level.

... I think the coach needs to keep him on a shorter leash. lol how is that even fun for anybody? Including him?

WhiskeyYourTheDevils
07-24-2013, 03:31 PM
First line potential? Really?

Definitely has the potential. That's no guarantee he will reach it, but the talent is there.

He's 5'10, 170 pounds,

This guy (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=5710) didn't seem to have too hard a time being a 1st line player. He's pretty much the exact same size as Roy.

turned 20 in May

And? That's insanely young, plenty of time to add muscle to his frame. What more could he have done so far to prove his potential?

and was taken in the fourth round in 2012.
Surely you're not basing a player solely off of their draft position, especially one who greatly exceeded expectations as a freshman?

A good (not great) NCAA year doesn't make him a future superstar.

How many true freshman are able to come in and score at that pace? 17 goals (t-4th in the league) 34 points in only 29 GP? Lead his team in scoring with 5 less GP than everyone else.

He had one of the better freshman years in recent memory, scoring at a similar pace as Phil Kessel in his freshman year, and outscoring guys like Toews, Turris, Okposo, Zajac, and many others in there freshman year.

You might want to rethink your position on him. Also, no one is claiming he'll be a future superstar.

Dustin Peener
07-24-2013, 11:40 PM
... I think the coach needs to keep him on a shorter leash. lol how is that even fun for anybody? Including him?

Under 12 hockey in Britain is basically a couple of good kids on each team play while the rest get in the way. Since there aren't many players there is only an A and B league throughout the junior age groups so there are kids who easily dominate.

This is why we suck at international level because the good players aren't challenged enough and don't get better. At this age, some of the best British players would be good enough to go to Canada and play very high level. Brendan Perlini played hockey in England until he was 13 then went back to Canada and ended up being a 1st round OHL pick, while his brother went back to Canada when he was slightly older and was taken in the 7th round of the NHL draft and played NCAA. Their cousin Scott Conway is another similar case, who this year had a great season in the NAHL and was drafted 7th overall in the USHL draft.

And as previously mentioned, Keiran Brown's points totals blow away all three of these guys.

NMFlyer1998
07-25-2013, 02:55 AM
This kid scored 164 points in 15 games in the U12 league, nobody else has even come close to those numbers in the last 10 years of recorded stats.

By not even close, I'm talking nobody has even scored 100 points. Brendan Perlini (OHL Niagara) scored 89 points in 17 games at the same level.
:walrus:

Dustin Peener
07-25-2013, 03:40 AM
If you want confirmation of these statistics, here you go

http://stats.malcolmpreen.co.uk/juniorstats.html

He plays in U12 North 1, and U14 North 1

Hagged
07-25-2013, 04:17 AM
If you want confirmation of these statistics, here you go

http://stats.malcolmpreen.co.uk/juniorstats.html

He plays in U12 North 1, and U14 North 1

Kieran Brown seems to have a lot healthier goal to assist ratio in U14 (2.0). That g/a ratio of 6.1 in U12 just screams of bad habits crawling in he just shouldn't have played in there. U16 level seems to have been a bit overwhelming for him, 2 points in 16 games. Why do you think that is, when you think he was also the leading scorer in U14 league by a big margin? Size issues? Skating issues?

Dustin Peener
07-25-2013, 06:09 AM
Kieran Brown seems to have a lot healthier goal to assist ratio in U14 (2.0). That g/a ratio of 6.1 in U12 just screams of bad habits crawling in he just shouldn't have played in there. U16 level seems to have been a bit overwhelming for him, 2 points in 16 games. Why do you think that is, when you think he was also the leading scorer in U14 league by a big margin? Size issues? Skating issues?

He played in the U16 league last season, when he was 10/11 years old, that should speak for itself. He didn't play in it this season because the rules were changed, meaning he wasn't allowed.

JFA87-66-99
07-25-2013, 06:14 AM
Stats are unreal for Brown. How is Emilio-Pettersson been doing haven't heard much lately

wings5
07-25-2013, 08:29 AM
Kieran Brown seems to have a lot healthier goal to assist ratio in U14 (2.0). That g/a ratio of 6.1 in U12 just screams of bad habits crawling in he just shouldn't have played in there. U16 level seems to have been a bit overwhelming for him, 2 points in 16 games. Why do you think that is, when you think he was also the leading scorer in U14 league by a big margin? Size issues? Skating issues?

Is he planning on a move to NA anytime soon?

Dustin Peener
07-25-2013, 09:51 AM
Is he planning on a move to NA anytime soon?

I don't know. Even if he doesn't, his parents could at least drive him down to Sheffield, he'd be much better off there than at Bradford.

L4vK
07-25-2013, 11:23 AM
Stats are unreal for Brown. How is Emilio-Pettersson been doing haven't heard much lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiAvZ0N9BfA

Good I think :naughty:

blink
07-25-2013, 11:09 PM
Tyler Benson, Vancouver Giants 1st overall pick in this year's WHL draft.

Lots of people know about him now but I heard he had some pretty amazing stats as a younger kid.

Absolutely tore up the AMBHL this past year, breaking Ty Rattie's points record.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=154220

alko
07-26-2013, 09:30 AM
I readed something about Milos Roman (http://www.hokejportal.net/?q=clanok/43840/objavili-v-kanade-druheho-panika), 13 years old Slovak kid.
Last season he played already in Czech U16 and his stats (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=223844) are not so bad.

Did someone saw him on the last tournament in december in Windsor?

3 Minute Minor
07-26-2013, 06:58 PM
Here is a few I am currently watching due to the hype,

Mathias Emilio Pettersen - Norway
Adam Tilander (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=147733) - Sweden
Kieran Brown (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=233990) - England
Vitaly Abramov - Russia

There is also supposed to be an amazing American player who was born somewhere around 2000, but I forgot his name.

Never heard of that Swede before :sarcasm:

JFA87-66-99
07-27-2013, 08:57 AM
Here is a few I am currently watching due to the hype,

Mathias Emilio Pettersen - Norway
Adam Tilander (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=147733) - Sweden
Kieran Brown (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=233990) - England
Vitaly Abramov - Russia

There is also supposed to be an amazing American player who was born somewhere around 2000, but I forgot his name.

This is the first I've really seen Vitaly Abramov listed as a phenom. Is he better than Dmitry Sokolov. I'd really like to hear some more info about that those 2 russian prospects

S E P H
07-27-2013, 01:20 PM
This is the first I've really seen Vitaly Abramov listed as a phenom. Is he better than Dmitry Sokolov. I'd really like to hear some more info about that those 2 russian prospects

Like every child prodigy Abramov absolutely dominates the lower leagues to the point he is playing against older kids. Can't tell you ir Somolov is better, but there are a few YouTube highlights you need to check out for Abramov.

PeakMcOil
07-27-2013, 06:09 PM
Tyler Benson, Vancouver Giants 1st overall pick in this year's WHL draft.

Lots of people know about him now but I heard he had some pretty amazing stats as a younger kid.

Absolutely tore up the AMBHL this past year, breaking Ty Rattie's points record.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=154220

Ya this kid is for real, absolutely dominant compared to his peers. Slick hands, good skater, great shot, size, he's got it all.

Roof Daddy
07-28-2013, 10:00 AM
I can't remember the name of the kid, but there was a kid playing AAA pee wee in Toronto who was already 6'3 and 200+ lbs. He was putting up good numbers, but nothing record breaking. Still, you can't teach size and the league values it highly.

NobodyBeatsTheWiz
07-28-2013, 01:38 PM
I can't remember the name of the kid, but there was a kid playing AAA pee wee in Toronto who was already 6'3 and 200+ lbs. He was putting up good numbers, but nothing record breaking. Still, you can't teach size and the league values it highly.

If's he not dominating at that comparative size to his competition, he doesn't seem like much of a prospect to me.

ALI
11-03-2013, 09:52 PM
update: Ocean and Orca Wiseblatt were banned from making triple aaa because they stole phones and bad mouthed the players and coaches. I hear they tearing up there div. what a shame.......

Torgo
11-03-2013, 09:56 PM
I wonder if somebody could Marinovich a hockey player to create a prodigy.

Devilspuppet666
11-03-2013, 10:11 PM
Jayce Hawryluk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7-gxXfK34

he really doesnt like to pass :laugh:

alko
11-04-2013, 04:02 AM
update: Ocean and Orca Wiseblatt were banned from making triple aaa because they stole phones and bad mouthed the players and coaches. I hear they tearing up there div. what a shame.......

:amazed: Tell us more.

Fonzieleaf
11-04-2013, 07:53 AM
Those kids are in roller hockey, not ice hockey

ALI
11-04-2013, 10:11 PM
:amazed: Tell us more.

well there's nothing more to be said, but I still think 'ocean will get signed by a WHL team. Orca is only 12 so he can tryout for triple aaa next year if he's allowed and get drafted.

Kevin8se7en
11-05-2013, 01:29 AM
I know Dustin Rose is a joke but is he even a real person? I wasn't really on message boards when the joke was popular so I missed all of it apparently. I'm not sure if he more like a Chuck Norris (exaggerated real person) or the Dos Equis Guy (fake person entirely)

I'm sure I'll get some "funny" replies but it's a serious question. Was he some kid who had one amazing game and sucked after that? Was he a made up child prodigy? something else? lol I'm curious.

InfinityIggy
11-05-2013, 01:44 AM
I know Dustin Rose is a joke but is he even a real person? I wasn't really on message boards when the joke was popular so I missed all of it apparently. I'm not sure if he more like a Chuck Norris (exaggerated real person) or the Dos Equis Guy (fake person entirely)

I'm sure I'll get some "funny" replies but it's a serious question. Was he some kid who had one amazing game and sucked after that? Was he a made up child prodigy? something else? lol I'm curious.

Dates back to roughly 2001~ on these boards. Do not believe he was ever a real person, just a hyperbole for the over rating of prospects.

Hybbe
11-05-2013, 04:58 PM
Adam Tilander is the new Gunnar Stahl.

Kevin8se7en
11-06-2013, 03:23 PM
Dates back to roughly 2001~ on these boards. Do not believe he was ever a real person, just a hyperbole for the over rating of prospects.

Thanks :thumbu:

MHJS
11-07-2013, 07:36 AM
This just made me realize that I've been coming to this site for 11 years. Came across it in January 2002. Holy crap.

Garyboy
11-09-2013, 05:14 PM
I know Dustin Rose is a joke but is he even a real person?

He was a feature dancer/stripper for Chippendales in the late 90's. Apparently he was as graceful as Baryshnikov on stage. Only difference is Dustin's horn was hanging out during his shows.

Dustin Peener
03-01-2014, 07:38 AM
Bump for a little update on Kieran Brown

In 14 games in the U14 league he has scored 76 goals and 44 assists for 120 points. He will still be a U14 next year, and the next highest scorer in the league has 84 points.

In the U16 league he has 20 points in 9 games

masterandy18
03-01-2014, 08:02 AM
That poster mentioning MacKinnon wasn't exactly reading tea leaves or anything. Even back then MacKinnon was very well known. I remember hearing about him around that time, had read an article where some scout felt that MacKinnon would be the next Lindros. Obviously that never transpired. But yes, MacKinnon has been a well known name for years.

Isn't that the point of this thread? lol give him credit. If you were so confident, you should have posted

scoutman1
03-01-2014, 09:09 AM
Bump for a little update on Kieran Brown

In 14 games in the U14 league he has scored 76 goals and 44 assists for 120 points. He will still be a U14 next year, and the next highest scorer in the league has 84 points.

In the U16 league he has 20 points in 9 games

still that is great britian league....I want to see him when he gets a little older and come over to NA to test his skills.

Dustin Peener
03-01-2014, 09:58 AM
still that is great britian league....I want to see him when he gets a little older and come over to NA to test his skills.

Yes, but these kind of numbers are unprecedented even in the Great Britain league

prospects follower7
03-01-2014, 02:39 PM
Kieran Brown played for England during the Quebec pee wee tournament last week. Here is the link for his stats:

http://www.tournoipee-wee.qc.ca/fr/stats/2013-2014/pee-wee/pee-wee-int-c/page/classement-joueurs/5:10481

scoutman1
03-01-2014, 03:05 PM
Kieran Brown played for England during the Quebec pee wee tournament last week. Here is the link for his stats:

http://www.tournoipee-wee.qc.ca/fr/stats/2013-2014/pee-wee/pee-wee-int-c/page/classement-joueurs/5:10481


im not sure how the peewee tournament leagues are set but AAA is the main peewee league...did he not play in the C.

prospects follower7
03-01-2014, 03:11 PM
By the way, here is the link for Xavier Parent's stats for the same tournament in AAA category (His team won the championship):

http://www.tournoipee-wee.qc.ca/fr/stats/2013-2014/pee-wee/pee-wee-aaa/page/classement-joueurs/5:10258

3 Minute Minor
03-01-2014, 05:43 PM
im not sure how the peewee tournament leagues are set but AAA is the main peewee league...did he not play in the C.

I'm not sure of the levels either despite asking many people so I checked the Atlantic teams in INT-C & INT-B and they were both peewee AAA teams.

CanadianSharks
11-06-2014, 11:25 AM
A buddy posted this on FB earlier today... holy ****. That's unreal.

Passchendaele
11-06-2014, 06:09 PM
Kieran Brown is still playing u16 for the 3rd straight season at 13 and is still dominating his older peers.

http://bradfordbulldogs.co.uk/stats/u16/

(click on Player stats)

3 Minute Minor
11-06-2014, 07:02 PM
Kieran Brown is still playing u16 for the 3rd straight season at 13 and is still dominating his older peers.

http://bradfordbulldogs.co.uk/stats/u16/

(click on Player stats)

Those are stats from last year (incomplete as hell)

So far his U16 team is 3-0 (34GF, 1GA) & his U14 team is 2-0 (26GF, 3GA). No individual stats known yet

McGlassbangers
11-07-2014, 02:43 AM
Those are stats from last year (incomplete as hell)

So far his U16 team is 3-0 (34GF, 1GA) & his U14 team is 2-0 (26GF, 3GA). No individual stats known yet

He has played one game in U16 and one game in U14 league.

In the U14 league he has scored 6+2=8 and in U16 league 0+5=5.

Reddawg
11-07-2014, 04:29 AM
Kieran Brown is still playing u16 for the 3rd straight season at 13 and is still dominating his older peers.

http://bradfordbulldogs.co.uk/stats/u16/

(click on Player stats)

Hockey is way easier when your opponents do nothing but try to kick the puck.

3 Minute Minor
11-07-2014, 09:43 AM
He has played one game in U16 and one game in U14 league.

In the U14 league he has scored 6+2=8 and in U16 league 0+5=5.

Ye those stats are still inaccurate & incomplete.

last I saw was:
U14 2GP 11G 8A 19PTS
U16 1GP 0G 5A 5PTS

and those are still missing games because the stat system is just as dysfunctional as the hockey league there.

R S
11-07-2014, 10:29 AM
This thread is hilarious.

Dustin Peener
11-13-2014, 06:09 PM
ye those stats are still inaccurate & incomplete.

Last i saw was:
U14 2gp 11g 8a 19pts
u16 1gp 0g 5a 5pts

and those are still missing games because the stat system is just as dysfunctional as the hockey league there.

u14: 3gp 18g 16a 34pts
u16: 4gp 3g 8a 11pts

orange is better
11-13-2014, 08:34 PM
This thread needs more M.E-P

Signature
11-14-2014, 01:13 AM
This isn't a History of Hockey thread... in fact it's the exact opposite. :laugh:

I haven't read through the entire thread but I was wondering people's thoughts on who the next prodigy on defense would be? Bobby Orr being one... who qualifies as a young defender to pay attention to, that isn't simply a sleeper prospect who would eventually develop into a top blueliner?

Stive Morgan
11-14-2014, 02:00 AM
That Aito Iguchi (Iguchi) looks pretty good but he's no Dustin Rose.

SidGenoMario
11-15-2014, 08:59 AM
Anyone know what happened to Dustin Rose?

Flaming Satan
11-15-2014, 01:39 PM
Oliver Wahlstrom. Youngest player ever to commit to collage hockey ( Maine at age 13 ) and he has an amazing shootout goal that was on NHL.com for a while.

nanzenkills
11-15-2014, 01:59 PM
Oliver Wahlstrom. Youngest player ever to commit to collage hockey ( Maine at age 13 ) and he has an amazing shootout goal that was on NHL.com for a while.

Where is Wahlstrom playing this year? SSM?

Flaming Satan
11-15-2014, 02:19 PM
Where is Wahlstrom playing this year? SSM?


Yup. Last year he played for North Yarmouth Academy whatever that is :laugh:

FireSweeney
11-15-2014, 02:42 PM
Yup. Last year he played for North Yarmouth Academy whatever that is :laugh:

Its a school in Yarmouth, Maine. He was actually playing with the varsity team. 13 years old playing against kids usually between 16-18. Not bad.

PRicci09
11-15-2014, 10:59 PM
I remember a tv special on Russian hockey a couple years back, and they feature a kid named Zhenya Kuznetsov who was tearing up his league at age 12.

Hockey nomad goes to Russia? that was Evgeny Kuznetsov of the Caps.

Fonzieleaf
11-16-2014, 05:30 PM
Oliver Wahlstrom is apparently looking good so far for SSM. In 20 games he has 27 goals and 20 assists for 47 points. The only one ahead of him is TJ Walsh who apparently played with Jake Wise on his line last year. Only one point ahead however.

http://ssmhockey.org/2009-2010-boys-bantam-tier-i-stats/

uTurris
11-16-2014, 11:21 PM
We need a thread for all child protogies as there's going to be 100 next Gretzkys, Crosbys, Lemieuxs, etc. Once they get drafted to a junior team or commit somewhere I say then we can make a thread.

hockeygeek
11-16-2014, 11:44 PM
I grew up playing with a "child prodigy". He ended up as a ppg player in major junior and never played higher than echl. It takes a lot of hard work to live up to those expectations.

buttman
11-19-2014, 04:54 PM
Jayce Hawryluk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7-gxXfK34

Kid is playing against house league players. Put him in a AAA league in the GTA and see how he does.

buttman
11-19-2014, 05:01 PM
Anyone know what happened to Dustin Rose?

Dustin the Wind

Tarasenko
11-19-2014, 08:12 PM
Xavier Parent, anyone?
Saw the guy last year, he was ripping it off in PeeWee AAA.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=241379

3 Minute Minor
11-19-2014, 08:19 PM
lol every time this thread gets bumped, people mention the same kids who were mentioned before.

:amazed:

What's a standard 1st liner's production in a league like that?

When you put his numbers beside the top players that have gone through the system over the years, he's at the top comfortably.

Patmac40
11-19-2014, 08:21 PM
Xavier Parent, anyone?
Saw the guy last year, he was ripping it off in PeeWee AAA.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=241379

24 points in 15 games this year so far.
http://www.lheq.ca/fr/stats/dossier_equipe.html?season=6&subSeason=1&category=5043&team=27411

Tarasenko
11-20-2014, 08:03 AM
24 points in 15 games this year so far.
http://www.lheq.ca/fr/stats/dossier_equipe.html?season=6&subSeason=1&category=5043&team=27411

Could become a highly skilled power forward by looking at his penalty minutes :laugh:

I grew up playing with a "child prodigy". He ended up as a ppg player in major junior and never played higher than echl. It takes a lot of hard work to live up to those expectations.

Who was it?

Kid is playing against house league players. Put him in a AAA league in the GTA and see how he does.

The dude is actually drafted by Florida Panthers (2nd round) and is currently doing over 1 PPG in the WHL :help:

Ralonzo
11-20-2014, 10:29 PM
Hockey nomad goes to Russia? that was Evgeny Kuznetsov of the Caps.

Yes, Zhenya is familiar of Evgeny in Russian. Like Dick is familiar of Richard in English.

CanadianSharks
11-21-2014, 06:08 AM
Well, here are some top British Elite League players (Great Britain First/Second Liners) and their stats at the same age:

Robert Dowd (2001-02)
U14: 12gp 18g 11a 29p
U16: 11gp 5g 5a 10p

Robert Farmer (2004-05)
U14: 18gp 72g 52a 124p
U16: 15gp 13a 19a 32p

Robert Lachowicz (2003-04)
U14: 14gp 48g 31a 79p
U16: 13gp 15g 13a 28p

Current Top GB Prospect, playing in Sweden J18/20 Elit

Samuel Duggan (2011-12)
U14: 17gp 52g 46a 98p
U16: 16gp 17g 10a 27p

Ivan Antonov (2010-11) currently putting up 1ppg in GB 2nd tier as a 17yr old.
U14: 17gp 23g 33a 56p
U16: 12gp 5g 8a 13p

Brett Perlini (2003-04) (Anaheim draft pick)
U14: 18gp 54g 43a 97p
U16: 12gp 15g 14a 29p

So just to compare him to those:

Kieran Brown (2014-15) Pro-rated for 18 U14 games and 12 U16 games...
U14: 18gp 108g 96a 204p
U16: 12gp 9g 24a 33p

Brendan Perlini (Arizona first rounder) 2006-07 (only comparison is at age 10)
U12: 17gp 50g 39a 89p
U14: 16gp 3g 7a 10p

Kieran Brown age 10 (2011-12):
U12: 16gp 124g 6a 130p
U14: 15gp 22g 11 a 33p

Thanks for that! So basically what this kid is doing is impressive no matter who you compare him to.

wings5
11-21-2014, 08:07 AM
Well, here are some top British Elite League players (Great Britain First/Second Liners) and their stats at the same age:

Robert Dowd (2001-02)
U14: 12gp 18g 11a 29p
U16: 11gp 5g 5a 10p

Robert Farmer (2004-05)
U14: 18gp 72g 52a 124p
U16: 15gp 13a 19a 32p

Robert Lachowicz (2003-04)
U14: 14gp 48g 31a 79p
U16: 13gp 15g 13a 28p

Current Top GB Prospect, playing in Sweden J18/20 Elit

Samuel Duggan (2011-12)
U14: 17gp 52g 46a 98p
U16: 16gp 17g 10a 27p

Ivan Antonov (2010-11) currently putting up 1ppg in GB 2nd tier as a 17yr old.
U14: 17gp 23g 33a 56p
U16: 12gp 5g 8a 13p

Brett Perlini (2003-04) (Anaheim draft pick)
U14: 18gp 54g 43a 97p
U16: 12gp 15g 14a 29p

So just to compare him to those:

Kieran Brown (2014-15) Pro-rated for 18 U14 games and 12 U16 games...
U14: 18gp 108g 96a 204p
U16: 12gp 9g 24a 33p

Brendan Perlini (Arizona first rounder) 2006-07 (only comparison is at age 10)
U12: 17gp 50g 39a 89p
U14: 16gp 3g 7a 10p

Kieran Brown age 10 (2011-12):
U12: 16gp 124g 6a 130p
U14: 15gp 22g 11 a 33p

LOL is this some sort of joke? Brown had 118 more goals than assists at u12 level......

GFF
11-21-2014, 08:41 AM
LOL is this some sort of joke? Brown had 118 more goals than assists at u12 level......

He was tearing up U12 since the age of about 7...I can only imagine that being his fnial year in U12 he was so far ahead that even his team mates could not keep up with him! The whole team only scored 132 goals that year! Edit, not his final year of U12, he played another and scored 141 goals and 32 assists....just bad teammates!!

Age 9: 16gp 84g 27a 111p
Age 8: 13gp 78g 24a 102p (division 2)
Age 7: 16gp 31g 9a 40p (division 2)
Age 6: 13gp 6g 9a 15p (div 2)
Age 5: 5gp 0g 0a 0p (div 2)

He first started skating with the U12s at the age of 3...

3 Minute Minor
11-21-2014, 09:16 AM
Kieran Brown (2014-15) Pro-rated for 18 U14 games and 12 U16 games...
U14: 18gp 108g 96a 204p
U16: 12gp 9g 24a 33p


Not sure where you got those numbers?

they have 18 games in u16 & he currently has 3PPG (5-6-9-15). That comes to 54 points & he still hasn't played against the bottom feeders yet.

GFF
11-21-2014, 09:19 AM
Not sure where you got those numbers?

they have 18 games in u16 & he currently has 3PPG (5-6-9-15). That comes to 54 points & he still hasn't played against the bottom feeders yet.

I am asuming some U14/U16 may overlap so he cannot play them all...

3 Minute Minor
11-21-2014, 09:40 AM
I am asuming some U14/U16 may overlap so he cannot play them all...

There's only 1 in March that conflicts to the point where he wouldn't be able to play in both on the same day (like last week) and I would hope they'd let him play vs. one of the best U16 teams > one of the worst U14 teams.

GFF
11-21-2014, 09:49 AM
There's only 1 in March that conflicts to the point where he wouldn't be able to play in both on the same day (like last week) and I would hope they'd let him play vs. one of the best U16 teams > one of the worst U14 teams.

Fair enough, I'm not so up to date on the fixtures etc.

I hope he can continue to develop at the rate he has so far...lots of debate about nature/nurture of these young guys, I know Tony Hand was doing OK when he got drafted but he was playing against men at age 14, my worry is that Brendan Perlini has had a magnificent rise in his talent levels since he moved back to NA....if Kieran could get the same - be it here or NA or Europe then he could make it...long time to go but I what plans his parents have for him? Shattucks in a couple of years?

3 Minute Minor
11-21-2014, 09:59 AM
Fair enough, I'm not so up to date on the fixtures etc.

I hope he can continue to develop at the rate he has so far...lots of debate about nature/nurture of these young guys, I know Tony Hand was doing OK when he got drafted but he was playing against men at age 14, my worry is that Brendan Perlini has had a magnificent rise in his talent levels since he moved back to NA....if Kieran could get the same - be it here or NA or Europe then he could make it...long time to go but I what plans his parents have for him? Shattucks in a couple of years?

You'd have to ask them.

For what it's worth, Sam Duggan is doing pretty well for himself in Sweden and he didn't leave until he was 16. He's leading his team in scoring on their way to their first birth in J18 Allsvenskan in 10 years while playing some J20 games in SuperElit.

SalVitro
11-21-2014, 11:59 AM
These kids are impressive, and I hope they make it far... But I know a bunch of kids who scored 2ppg on tier 1 U16 teams who scored 0ppg in USHL and OHL... So the stats can be misleading

3 Minute Minor
11-21-2014, 12:37 PM
LOL is this some sort of joke? Brown had 118 more goals than assists at u12 level......

I wouldn't read too much into that. In fairness he assisted 75% of the goals he didn't score himself. So that season as a 10 year old, he had 130 points on his teams 132 goals.

There is only a handful of kids from that 2011-12 team still playing in Bradford. There are kids coming from other organizations to play with Brown and his assist totals have gone way up the last 2 years as his team has got better.

This season he has 50 points between the 2 levels & 26 of them are assists.

Swindon Lad
11-22-2014, 01:53 PM
Fair enough, I'm not so up to date on the fixtures etc.

I hope he can continue to develop at the rate he has so far...lots of debate about nature/nurture of these young guys, I know Tony Hand was doing OK when he got drafted but he was playing against men at age 14, my worry is that Brendan Perlini has had a magnificent rise in his talent levels since he moved back to NA....if Kieran could get the same - be it here or NA or Europe then he could make it...long time to go but I what plans his parents have for him? Shattucks in a couple of years?

Easy for British kids to rack up the points playing games against kids who can hardly skate, Kiernan Brown is no different, our junior setup is a flamin joke. Put him in against AA or AAA North American boys and he would hardly see the puck, don't believe the hype.

3 Minute Minor
11-22-2014, 02:28 PM
Easy for British kids to rack up the points playing games against kids who can hardly skate, Kiernan Brown is no different, our junior setup is a flamin joke. Put him in against AA or AAA North American boys and he would hardly see the puck, don't believe the hype.

Another '01 born Brit is currently playing in Ottawa AA where he has 30 points in 16 games and is leading the league in goals with 20. Last season he had 3 points in 3 games in England U16 North 1 (Brown had 31 points in 13 games). Pretty impressive for a kid that can hardly see the puck against those superior North American boys. :help:

You don't know what you're talking about.

Dustin Peener
03-06-2015, 06:40 AM
Kieran Brown is now on 33 goals and 62 points in 13 games played in U16, 73 goals and 112 points in 12 games played in U14

His U14 teammate Alex Graham has 96 goals and 112 points in U12, but just 23 goals and 34 points in U14 playing with Brown

GFF
03-06-2015, 12:04 PM
Very impressive stats and leads the league in scoring too!

Will be interesting to see whether he sticks in the UK or tries to go abroad.

Gigantor The Goalie
03-06-2015, 01:35 PM
Very impressive stats and leads the league in scoring too!

Will be interesting to see whether he sticks in the UK or tries to go abroad.

Have to imagine at some point a junior team or sports agent suggests to him that he comes to North America or go over to Finland/Sweden.

SH15
03-06-2015, 02:22 PM
Just read through this whole thread. Thank you to its contributors!! :handclap:

MacKinnon, Kuznetsov, Hawryluk...is Kieran Brown next?!?!

Szechwan
03-06-2015, 05:18 PM
Who were those brothers I recall people talking about a few years back.. They had pretty odd names.. Ocean or something?

edit: found them at the start of the thread Orca and Ocean Wiesblatt. Are these kids still on anyone's radar?

Crosbyfan
03-06-2015, 05:49 PM
Who were those brothers I recall people talking about a few years back.. They had pretty odd names.. Ocean or something?

edit: found them at the start of the thread Orca and Ocean Wiesblatt. Are these kids still on anyone's radar?

No, but they're still on some mammals sonar.

Fire Sweeney
03-06-2015, 09:27 PM
Mike Josephson
99 goals, 80 assists, 200 PIM in 40 GP.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=87407

Raimo Sillanpää
03-07-2015, 01:26 AM
This isn't a History of Hockey thread... in fact it's the exact opposite. :laugh:

I haven't read through the entire thread but I was wondering people's thoughts on who the next prodigy on defense would be? Bobby Orr being one... who qualifies as a young defender to pay attention to, that isn't simply a sleeper prospect who would eventually develop into a top blueliner?

This isn't a History of Hockey thread... in fact it's the exact opposite. :laugh:

I haven't read through the entire thread but I was wondering people's thoughts on who the next prodigy on defense would be? Bobby Orr being one... who qualifies as a young defender to pay attention to, that isn't simply a sleeper prospect who would eventually develop into a top blueliner?

Mentioned two years ago,


From Finland Urho Vaakainen has been talked about for almost 2 years now and he's only 14. Already playing on the u18 league.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=180538

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=180538

Urho is on track, 16 year old d-man mentioned here at age 14, noticed in Finland at about age 12 - playing on basically the best under-20 team in Finland (so toughest competition for playing time, but hes doing fine)
Wuld be a disappointment if hes anything other than a high first round selection.

puckrocks
03-12-2015, 04:01 PM
I have seen both boys recently. They are living in Calgary now.
Ocean is a super skilled player. He has signed with Moose Jaw Warriors.
He may play with them before this season is over. the Moose Jaw is in ninth place and is trying to enter the playoff picture. they probably want to use their experience players to qualify for a playoff position.
Orca scored a hat trick in his last game with the Bisons. But, his team lost to my cousin's team (Calgary Royals). He will enter WHL draft this May. That is the latest news I have heard so far.

Leafs21
03-12-2015, 04:08 PM
Mike Josephson
99 goals, 80 assists, 200 PIM in 40 GP.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=87407

Wut...

Deiferson
03-22-2015, 04:14 PM
Seth Jarvis from Winnipeg, currently playing on the Peewee AA Rangers.

Kid is a good. Highlight videos posted by (presumably) his Dad.

#4

Round 2 playoff highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgELWaYaltM

Round 1 playoff highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koecIJsL_84

and a whole other more highlight videos here
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDvr0_d93QzMcOLhatl1g3Q/videos

GFF
05-11-2015, 04:58 AM
Update on Kieran Brown:

U14s: 18games 114goals 67 assists 181 points
U16s: 17 games 45goals 45 assists 90 points

Led the league in points in both leagues.

Didn't fare brilliantly in the Conference games, 4games 4 goals and 1 assist.

FrozenJagrt
05-11-2015, 05:12 AM
By what margin did he lead?

GFF
05-11-2015, 07:07 AM
In U16 he led 3 team mates who had between 62-75 points (all of whom are age 15+), next best not on his team had 51 points in 15 games. Top scorer in the other regional division 1 was 55 points in 13 games.

In U14 he led his 2 team mates who had 70 and 79 points (one of whom still plays U12! Next best from another team was 59 points in 15 games. In the other regional division top scorer had 92 points in 16 games (who had 17 points in 9 U16 games).

U14 his PPG: 10, next best: 5.75
U16 his PPG: 5.29, next best: 4.41

FrozenJagrt
05-11-2015, 07:22 AM
Am I reading that correctly? U14 he nearly doubled the total of the next best player? That's.... Not too bad. Obviously consideration must be given to the level of talent of his peers, but still.

GFF
05-11-2015, 07:39 AM
Am I reading that correctly? U14 he nearly doubled the total of the next best player? That's.... Not too bad. Obviously consideration must be given to the level of talent of his peers, but still.

That is correct.

Only about 5 times in the last 10 years or so has anyone broken 100pts and he has the top two, 136 and 181.

Age-Age he is superior to any junior player in the last 20 years. He needs to bulk up a LOT, but if he can grow a bit then he could be a very good player....

NHL? unlikely but possible with the right development and route.
NHL draft? possibly with the right exposure.
GB team? Very good chance if he continues to develop.

As I mentioned previously, his stats against Brendan Perlini were better at the same age (when Brendan was over here) but Brendan took a very different route from age 11/12.

tony d
05-11-2015, 08:12 AM
Will be interesting to see how many of these guys pan out. Now that Mcdavid's about to be drafted let's see who the next great prospect is.

Maplebeasts
05-11-2015, 10:44 PM
Will be interesting to see how many of these guys pan out. Now that Mcdavid's about to be drafted let's see who the next great prospect is.

Auston Matthews

DearDiary
05-12-2015, 12:25 AM
Kieran Brown age 10 (2011-12):
U12: 16gp 124g 6a 130p


http://new1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/There+is+a+lack+of+rule+34+of+jane+but+_a74256b563 e78f5f973db2c6c69409fe.gif

GFF
05-12-2015, 01:34 AM
http://new1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/There+is+a+lack+of+rule+34+of+jane+but+_a74256b563 e78f5f973db2c6c69409fe.gif

Yup! The next year he had 15GP 141G 23A 164P

Nicko999
05-12-2015, 02:44 AM
http://new1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/There+is+a+lack+of+rule+34+of+jane+but+_a74256b563 e78f5f973db2c6c69409fe.gif

Makes sense... he is just too good for the competition so is able to walk through the defense every time he touches the puck. I would guess his 6 assists are rebounds or something like that.

3 Minute Minor
05-12-2015, 08:56 AM
Didn't fare brilliantly in the Conference games, 4games 4 goals and 1 assist.

Sucks to say but he didn't even look like the best '01 in the tournament.

He was just floating around the neutral zone looking for breakaways/odd man rushes. His defensive effort was skating by players and swinging his stick at the puck. Obviously he's still a child so he could still mature a lot but it really didn't look good compared to the crazy numbers he puts up.

For what it's worth, I thought the better '01 was Lewis Houston.
Here are his numbers in Scotland:
Scotland U14 (1st) 15GP 81G 18A 99PTS
Scotland U16 (7th) 8GP 13G 13A 26PTS

Richards to Gaborik
05-12-2015, 09:21 AM
Makes sense... he is just too good for the competition so is able to walk through the defense every time he touches the puck. I would guess his 6 assists are rebounds or something like that.

Surprised nobody has called him a selfish puck hog yet.

3 Minute Minor
05-12-2015, 09:23 AM
Surprised nobody has called him a selfish puck hog yet.

Those stats are from 4 years ago. He had 45 U16 assists this season & 67 U14 assists. Still scored a combined 159 goals but still, tons of assists.

here come the
05-14-2015, 12:42 PM
I remember a tv special on Russian hockey a couple years back, and they feature a kid named Zhenya Kuznetsov who was tearing up his league at age 12.

That turned out to be a pretty good call.

Yog S'loth
05-14-2015, 01:45 PM
http://new1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/There+is+a+lack+of+rule+34+of+jane+but+_a74256b563 e78f5f973db2c6c69409fe.gif

Also, to be fair, a lot of kids' leagues don't really accurately score assists. I see that in my kids' league. You could have 25 total goals scored in a game and they only hand out an assist or two because nobody is really able to scorekeep accurately on the fly.

JC Numminen
05-14-2015, 05:17 PM
Update on Kieran Brown:

U14s: 18games 114goals 67 assists 181 points
U16s: 17 games 45goals 45 assists 90 points

Led the league in points in both leagues.

Didn't fare brilliantly in the Conference games, 4games 4 goals and 1 assist.

Wow, he is 1 only 14?!

Top CHL import pick in a few years?

Diddy
05-14-2015, 05:46 PM
Has anyone ever heard of Ryan duret? I played on his team probably 6-7 years ago, he was unreal. Absolute phenom, dominated everything. Googling him now his career hasn't really panned out. Man oh man was he something back in the day.

GFF
05-29-2015, 10:31 AM
Wow, he is 1 only 14?!

Top CHL import pick in a few years?

A few Brits get drafted in the CHL import draft but not very often and this tends to be when they have been playing junior in Canada already. I cannot see him leaving the UK at the moment.

What age is the CHL Import draft for?

JJTT
05-29-2015, 10:51 AM
A few Brits get drafted in the CHL import draft but not very often and this tends to be when they have been playing junior in Canada already. I cannot see him leaving the UK at the moment.

What age is the CHL Import draft for?

17 and up. Brown can't be drafted to CHL until 2018

daddyohsix
06-04-2015, 06:07 PM
This isn't a History of Hockey thread... in fact it's the exact opposite. :laugh:

I haven't read through the entire thread but I was wondering people's thoughts on who the next prodigy on defense would be? Bobby Orr being one... who qualifies as a young defender to pay attention to, that isn't simply a sleeper prospect who would eventually develop into a top blueliner?

I get to see a few younger kids, not sure if prodigy, but I first noticed a 6 yo kid from MInny a couple years ago. I see he is going to Brick this year as an underager, plays D.

Of course, too young to tell, but I was struck by his maturity and attitude.

JFA87-66-99
06-04-2015, 07:53 PM
I get to see a few younger kids, not sure if prodigy, but I first noticed a 6 yo kid from MInny a couple years ago. I see he is going to Brick this year as an underager, plays D.

Of course, too young to tell, but I was struck by his maturity and attitude.
How old is he now. Brick is for 11-12 year olds

daddyohsix
06-05-2015, 12:09 AM
How old is he now. Brick is for 11-12 year olds

8 yo going on 9 now ('06 birth year)

I think brick is for '05's and '06's this year (but not very many teams bring much in the way of the younger year).

hockeykid87
06-05-2015, 08:35 AM
Has anyone ever heard of Ryan duret? I played on his team probably 6-7 years ago, he was unreal. Absolute phenom, dominated everything. Googling him now his career hasn't really panned out. Man oh man was he something back in the day.

Was nothing special in the SJHL last year. Will probably play a bigger role this year, but they're hosting Westerns, so who knows. He may take a back seat.

The Exiled One
06-05-2015, 11:08 AM
8 yo going on 9 now ('06 birth year)

I think brick is for '05's and '06's this year (but not very many teams bring much in the way of the younger year).
I think he might be on this roster (http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/news_article/show/515163?referrer_id=967187). One of the forwards called out by name is a member of my local association. He'll likely be a Pee-Wee A as a fifth grader next year.

I have a feeling that four or five of these kids will be D1 players. One or two will be NHL players. Check back in about 10 or 11 years.

The Exiled One
06-05-2015, 11:17 AM
Speaking of "The Brick", how good is it at predicting the future success of 8-10 year old skaters? Actually, pretty good (http://thebrick.stats.pointstreak.com/scoringleaders.html?leagueid=845&seasonid=4335).

Oak
06-05-2015, 04:06 PM
Speaking of "The Brick", how good is it at predicting the future success of 8-10 year old skaters? Actually, pretty good (http://thebrick.stats.pointstreak.com/scoringleaders.html?leagueid=845&seasonid=4335).

Who specifically are you focusing in on from the 09 Brick tourney?

daddyohsix
06-05-2015, 07:06 PM
I think he might be on this roster (http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/news_article/show/515163?referrer_id=967187). One of the forwards called out by name is a member of my local association. He'll likely be a Pee-Wee A as a fifth grader next year.

I have a feeling that four or five of these kids will be D1 players. One or two will be NHL players. Check back in about 10 or 11 years.

Yes. We also had the chance to see one of the goalies last year at the Whistler tournament, he was playing for Miracle Gold. In the gold medal medal game he shut out the Cougarss iirc (or a selects team w/some Cowboys and Vipers etc. on it). Amazing glove hand.

There was a skater on that Miracle Gold team that really stood out, can't recall his name right now.

The Exiled One
06-18-2015, 05:02 PM
Who specifically are you focusing in on from the 09 Brick tourney?
McManus, Chmelevski, Tkachuck, Hutsko, and even Cayla Barnes. I just think it's cool that they can identify even a small percentage of future high level players at ages 9-10.

Oak
06-18-2015, 11:09 PM
McManus, Chmelevski, Tkachuck, Hutsko, and even Cayla Barnes. I just think it's cool that they can identify even a small percentage of future high level players at ages 9-10.

Very cool list. Crazy how much talent is coming out of Cali recently. Their youth programs seem so much better than what we have here in the metro NY area.

Seems like every Brick tournament will have a few future NHLers. Very cool.

Hutsko is a local prospect, although I am curious if he played all his youth hockey in NJ because he played for the Detroit Redwings team in his Brick season. If you have more info on him I'd love to know.

The Exiled One
06-19-2015, 01:13 PM
There was a skater on that Miracle Gold team that really stood out, can't recall his name right now.
If it was an '05 kid, it's probably the same forward from my local association who's playing with the Minnesota Blades for the Brick. He was playing for Miracle Gold at the Whistler tournament last season. He definitely would have stood out.

The Exiled One
06-19-2015, 01:16 PM
Hutsko is a local prospect, although I am curious if he played all his youth hockey in NJ because he played for the Detroit Redwings team in his Brick season. If you have more info on him I'd love to know.
Don't know anything more about him than I can google. If he was a Minnesota kid... maybe.

daddyohsix
06-22-2015, 08:55 AM
If it was an '05 kid, it's probably the same forward from my local association who's playing with the Minnesota Blades for the Brick. He was playing for Miracle Gold at the Whistler tournament last season. He definitely would have stood out.
Yes, the '05 team. What was remarkable was that it was a very good team, there appeared to be a different skater on the team who was a level above the other kids, and then this kid was another level above that.

I see the same team will be there again this year, but we won't be there this time (and ohsix never got to go head to head last year as his team was on same side of pool and didn't make it to elimination play).

daddyohsix
06-29-2015, 12:44 AM
Maybe this post should go in another forum, but it looks like the Brick games will be streamed on the pointstreak website (http://portal.stretchinternet.com/bsn/#).

The Exiled One
06-30-2015, 08:24 AM
Maybe this post should go in another forum, but it looks like the Brick games will be streamed on the pointstreak website (http://portal.stretchinternet.com/bsn/#).
Thanks for the link. Watched Saskatchewan beat Minnesota 4-3 yesterday. For Minnesota, I'm now positive it's the same standout forward you saw playing for the Miracle Gold in Whistler (#7). Not sure if he's a child prodigy, but he was the best player on the ice for this game anyway.

I think I'll watch Minnesota's game against California this morning and see if he can keep up the performance.

http://www.brickhockey.pointstreaksites.com/view/brickinvitational

EDIT: #18 from California was the best player in this game... and he's tiny!

daddyohsix
07-01-2015, 01:02 AM
Yes. Sorry to see what happened in the 3rd period, ohsix has been through that.

As for the comment someone made about future NHL'ers, kind of a timely video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anzg-vTgcNA).

Part 2 0f 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIk9qcmkaWU)

Part 3 of 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNaRcOFhyLg)

daddyohsix
07-01-2015, 01:21 AM
EDIT: #18 from California was the best player in this game... and he's tiny!

Deja vu all over again (http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/news_article/show/384958-ducks-fly-into-minnesota-and-win-coast-to-coast).

Bowie Horvat
07-01-2015, 01:32 AM
Hes all stick skill. If the kid had some size and speed he would be the next one

Dustin Peener
07-28-2015, 05:19 PM
Keiran Brown will play for Iowa Wild AAA U16 next season

Think he could have gone somewhere better but otherwise he would have been stuck playing against the same kids he destroyed last year, as the EIHA in their infinite wisdom decided to move from even number age groups to odd numbers. So all the u14 kids he played against last year would be in the U15 age group with him this year.

Hero
07-28-2015, 05:22 PM
He kinda sucks now

Well he's ok, just like everyone else. The team he is playing in that video was about 30 minutes from where I live. So is he like famous or something?

Drafted 32nd OA last year by Florida

ProbertKocur
07-28-2015, 05:44 PM
Evgeny (Wings just drafted him) Svechnikov's brother Andrei is supposed to be the next Russian superstar apparently

OTBHockey
07-29-2015, 09:58 AM
Keiran Brown will play for Iowa Wild AAA U16 next season

Think he could have gone somewhere better but otherwise he would have been stuck playing against the same kids he destroyed last year, as the EIHA in their infinite wisdom decided to move from even number age groups to odd numbers. So all the u14 kids he played against last year would be in the U15 age group with him this year.

Is that move for sure? That's not a bad spot, play AAA hockey against a great range of competition and won't be such a high level that he's in over his head. USHL and college scouts will be able to catch him pretty easily there in Des Moines if he hits ground running as well. That program is pretty new but look to be taking things pretty seriously.

edit: heard it is for sure, but he is playing for the U14 team (all 2001) for them

GFF
07-30-2015, 01:50 AM
Is that move for sure? That's not a bad spot, play AAA hockey against a great range of competition and won't be such a high level that he's in over his head. USHL and college scouts will be able to catch him pretty easily there in Des Moines if he hits ground running as well. That program is pretty new but look to be taking things pretty seriously.

edit: heard it is for sure, but he is playing for the U14 team (all 2001) for them

Just seen this news about Kieran, it is great news for him, its the best thing for him. No point dominating EIHA leagues and ending up stuck in the UK. As well as USHL/NCAA scouts, this is probably good chance to get spotted for the CHL Import draft in a couple years too.

Hopefully he can hit the ground running and get some playing time on the U16 team, that seems like it would be the logical aim for him.

Patmac40
07-30-2015, 09:28 AM
Since he's coming over and he is within the OHL's region it's likely he can just go through the regular priority draft in a couple years.

GFF
07-30-2015, 10:12 AM
Since he's coming over and he is within the OHL's region it's likely he can just go through the regular priority draft in a couple years.

That would be a huge help, so he wouldn't be classed as an import? I understand CHL teams can only have 2 import players?

wings5
07-30-2015, 10:15 AM
That would be a huge help, so he wouldn't be classed as an import? I understand CHL teams can only have 2 import players?

Like Levin, Korostelev and many other Russians who tend to come over at a young age he could then be picked in the regular OHL priority draft. Not sure of the rules but I think he needs at least 2 years in NA, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

daddyohsix
08-30-2015, 08:16 PM
Thanks for the link. Watched Saskatchewan beat Minnesota 4-3 yesterday. For Minnesota, I'm now positive it's the same standout forward you saw playing for the Miracle Gold in Whistler (#7). Not sure if he's a child prodigy, but he was the best player on the ice for this game anyway.

I think I'll watch Minnesota's game against California this morning and see if he can keep up the performance.

http://www.brickhockey.pointstreaksites.com/view/brickinvitational

EDIT: #18 from California was the best player in this game... and he's tiny!

Speaking of an '05 playing PeeWee A1, was talking to some NSWC parents and it sounds like one of the BC kids will do that for NSWC. I think he won the tournament MVP (but not the playoff MVP as I think the TO goalie got that).

And as an aside, one of NSWC's best '06's has gone to BWC. Their Atom A1 team would be something else if it still had those two. The '06 was at the Whistler tournament in summer 2014 and played in the gold medal game against '05 Miracle Gold. He'll be at the Brick next year.

The Exiled One
08-31-2015, 03:29 PM
Speaking of an '05 playing PeeWee A1, was talking to some NSWC parents and it sounds like one of the BC kids will do that for NSWC. I think he won the tournament MVP (but not the playoff MVP as I think the TO goalie got that).
Lead scorer for the BC Junior Canucks I assume? I'll keep an eye out for him. He'll be playing at a higher level than Minnesota's standout. Our association's district is fairly mediocre even at the peewee level.

JFA87-66-99
08-31-2015, 05:12 PM
Speaking of an '05 playing PeeWee A1, was talking to some NSWC parents and it sounds like one of the BC kids will do that for NSWC. I think he won the tournament MVP (but not the playoff MVP as I think the TO goalie got that).

And as an aside, one of NSWC's best '06's has gone to BWC. Their Atom A1 team would be something else if it still had those two. The '06 was at the Whistler tournament in summer 2014 and played in the gold medal game against '05 Miracle Gold. He'll be at the Brick next year.

A 10 year old playing pee wee. Is that right? How often if ever does this happen in youth hockey

The Exiled One
08-31-2015, 06:09 PM
A 10 year old playing pee wee. Is that right? How often if ever does this happen in youth hockey
It's not common, nor should it be. However, the MN 10 year old has dominated at the squirt A level for two years in a row. He gains nothing by playing a third. Also, MN peewees don't check, so he should be relatively safe playing against the bigger kids.

daddyohsix
08-31-2015, 06:12 PM
A 10 year old playing pee wee. Is that right? How often if ever does this happen in youth hockey

Yes, players sometimes play up an age group - it's possible to get ahead at that age simply by starting younger and spending lots of time at the rink. Hockey being a late development sport, likely lots of kids would catch up and pass.

But being NSWC A1 - I haven't seen that. Also the MVP thing, meaning I think I would talk more about this kid than Aito, having seen both of them play live.

Anyway, both have been coached by the Brick coach - if I see him again I'll ask his thoughts on them as well.

To exiled: yes, lead goal scorer.

JFA87-66-99
08-31-2015, 08:06 PM
It's not common, nor should it be. However, the MN 10 year old has dominated at the squirt A level for two years in a row. He gains nothing by playing a third. Also, MN peewees don't check, so he should be relatively safe playing against the bigger kids.
What level is squirt A exactly. Would that be like 10 years old and younger and i believe pee wee is 12 and under?

DyerMaker66
08-31-2015, 08:43 PM
What level is squirt A exactly. Would that be like 10 years old and younger and i believe pee wee is 12 and under?

Going by a local association, Peewee players can be 11, 12, or 13 (depending on birthdate/ time of year):

http://chedokeminorhockey.com/page.php?page_id=48905#Registration

The Exiled One
09-01-2015, 10:01 AM
Going by a local association, Peewee players can be 11, 12, or 13 (depending on birthdate/ time of year):

http://chedokeminorhockey.com/page.php?page_id=48905#Registration
MN associations do things a bit differently than Canada. Squirts are generally 4th and 5th graders. PeeWees are generally 6th and 7th graders. Bantams are generally 8th and 9th graders. We do this because we have a system heavily based on local communities. As opposed to a club based system, kids generally attend the same school as their teammates.

That being said, officially, we go by birth date (with July 1st being the cutoff). So, this year's Squirts will be born in 2006 (~25%), 2005 (~50%), and 2004 (~25%). This year's PeeWees will be 2004 (~25%), 2003 (~50%), and 2002 (~25%).

The player being referenced is a 2005, though I don't know his exact birthdate. That should you some idea as to how big the jump actually is.

Also, to be clear, we also have a club hockey system that goes strictly by birthyear. These generally operate in the late spring and late summer with a break in the middle of summer. Some clubs go through the entire summer. A few clubs go year round. The club team which represented MN at the Brick Invitational is a highly regarded summer long club team.

daddyohsix
09-01-2015, 05:31 PM
Honestly, I think the impressive thing is that he is from Japan, but there are 11 year olds just as impressive in my Western Montreal region, just no video footage of them.

I kind of lean that way as well. Our club went over to Japan last December (http://mutantshockey.com/wp/?p=585)and played one of the games against a team he was on. I think it was the only game that was close (a loss, but I think the score was something like 7-6 iirc). ohsix and I didn't go, it was just our '04's, but that's what I gather talking to those who went. Similar to what I saw at BCSC.

GFF
10-12-2015, 02:55 AM
Kieran Brown had 5+1 in 4 games over the weekend in the T1Elite league U14. Anyone know the standard of this tournament/league.
Seems like a good showing for his first few games in NA?

OrreyKroog
10-12-2015, 05:53 AM
Have a link?

3 Minute Minor
10-12-2015, 06:22 AM
http://tieronehockey.stats.pointstreak.com/players-team-roster.html?teamid=582351&seasonid=14534

JFA87-66-99
10-12-2015, 10:10 AM
http://tieronehockey.stats.pointstreak.com/players-team-roster.html?teamid=582351&seasonid=14534

Not bad at all. Nice to see him start of well in his first season in north america.

USHOCKEYUS
10-12-2015, 10:29 AM
Kieran Brown had 5+1 in 4 games over the weekend in the T1Elite league U14. Anyone know the standard of this tournament/league.
Seems like a good showing for his first few games in NA?

Based on the opponents it looks like a low end tier 1 tournament. Most of those teams would lose handily to the top US 01 teams.

3 Minute Minor
10-12-2015, 11:58 AM
Based on the opponents it looks like a low end tier 1 tournament. Most of those teams would lose handily to the top US 01 teams.

This seems to be a misguided assumption.

Phoenix and Dallas were two of the clubs in the tournament and while they aren't Belle Tire, they're solid hockey programs in Tier 1 US hockey. They've both been producing their fair share of NAHL, USHL, NCAA, USNDP, and CHL talent in recent years, some of which have been drafted into the NHL.

OrreyKroog
10-12-2015, 03:34 PM
This seems to be a misguided assumption.

Phoenix and Dallas were two of the clubs in the tournament and while they aren't Belle Tire, they're solid hockey programs in Tier 1 US hockey. They've both been producing their fair share of NAHL, USHL, NCAA, USNDP, and CHL talent in recent years, some of which have been drafted into the NHL.

Sorry but it's not that misguided. Those teams are not very good relative to the top end 01 teams out there in North America. 1 point a game at that level is nice for someone from a non hockey country but he's not putting up numbers against the SSMs of the hockey world.

3 Minute Minor
10-12-2015, 03:48 PM
Sorry but it's not that misguided. Those teams are not very good relative to the top end 01 teams out there in North America. 1 point a game at that level is nice for someone from a non hockey country but he's not putting up numbers against the SSMs of the hockey world.

wtf are you talking about? Shattuck ALWAYS has a GAA under 2.00 and that's the bar you're setting for all bantam players on the planet?

I guess nobody in bantam hockey is impressive.

OrreyKroog
10-12-2015, 04:13 PM
wtf are you talking about? Shattuck ALWAYS has a GAA under 2.00 and that's the bar you're setting for all bantam players on the planet?

I guess nobody in bantam hockey is impressive.

All I'm saying is it's a middling tournament for that age group. Not that hard to understand.

USHOCKEYUS
10-12-2015, 07:22 PM
wtf are you talking about? Shattuck ALWAYS has a GAA under 2.00 and that's the bar you're setting for all bantam players on the planet?

I guess nobody in bantam hockey is impressive.


US Hockey gets very top heavy as it gets to the Bantam age, especially Bantam Major. Its just the way it is. Best kids in one area usually consolidate as organizations try and build teams that can compete for nationals etc. It sounds cheesy but usually the best kids want to play with each other and this aids in forming these teams.

That is why most top 10 teams would beat a team like Iowa (not picking on Iowa) by 5-10 goals. They'll have a good game here or there ands keep it close but that is the state of travel hockey.

So saying the tournament is lower tier 1 is not misguided or rude, it is 100% accurate. A very high end tier one tournament was in Chicago this weekend where the top Ontario team, Mississuaga Rebels came and played teams like Team Wisconsin, Chicago Mission, etc..

Both tournaments are necessary, as every teams get 4-5 competitive games. If Mission go to the tourney Iowa is at they go 5-0 and outscore opponents 35-2. If Iowa goes to Chicago they risk going 0-5 or 1-4 and being outscored 30-8. Again no disrespect to any team.

The Brewmeister
10-12-2015, 07:29 PM
Anybody have an update on that Dustin Rose kid? He was tearing it up last year.

OrreyKroog
10-13-2015, 03:16 AM
Perfectly stated ushockey