MVP of the last 15 years?

If you could choose one player on your team to have the last 15 years (1993-94 to 2007-08) who would it be?

Player stats over the last 15 years:
Player|Games|Goals|Assists|Points|+/-|Cups
Joe Sakic|986|436|721|1157|136|2
Mark Recchi|1079|355|624|979|17|1
Chris Pronger|940|131|427|558|153|1
Mike Modano|1003|405|569|974|158|1
Jaromir Jagr|1042|553|826|1379|237|0
Sergei Zubov|1009|144|592|736|153|2
Mats Sundin|1065|452|620|1072|100|0
Peter Forsberg|706|249|636|885|242|2
Sergei Fedorov|966|375|519|894|187|3
Teemu Selanne|983|476|550|1026|84|1
Nicklas Lidstrom|1088|194|643|837|335|4
Scott Niedermayer|1017|137|455|592|175|4


Player|Games|Wins|SV%|GAA|Shutouts|Cups
Ed Belfour|743|375|.908|2.44|60|1
Martin Brodeur|964|536|.914|2.20|96|3
Dominik Hasek|682|365|.924|2.16|80|2

Brodeur. He is pretty much the major reason for New Jersey's success.

Lidstrom, although I'd consider Hasek. None of the others are close.

Nicklas Lidström, Domik Hašek and Martin Brodeur. Hard to choose, but I picked Lidström, he's been an integral part of the Red Wings for so many years, and he's won the most Cups of all these players.

6 Norrises, 4 Cups, 1 Smyth in 15 years does it for me

Jagr, Brodeur, Hasek, Sakic come next

BTW Niedermayer has 4 cups and Zubov 2 cups

Jagr, Lidstrom, Brodeur are your finalists here, IMHO

Nicklas Lidström, Domik Hašek and Martin Brodeur. Hard to choose, but I picked Lidström, he's been an integral part of the Red Wings for so many years, and he's won the most Cups of all these players.

Tied with Niedermayer.

No Yzerman ????

Brodeur or Lidstrom

Tied with Niedermayer.

Yeah, but Niedermayer is not even close to the best player at his position.

Jagr, Lidstrom, Brodeur are your finalists here, IMHO

Agreed. I'm a little biased, but I pick Lidström.

Lidstrom has been the best player in the NHL over the past 15, 10 and 5 years.

1a. Sakic
1b. Brodeur
3. Lidstrom

IMO, Sakic & Brodeur are most responsible for their teams winning multiply cups. One could say that Lidstrom was the not the best player on 1 or 2 of his cups. (Those wings teams were stacked at forward).

Great question / great poll. And it's a tough call...

Yeah, but Niedermayer is not even close to the best player at his position.

Its not what we were talking about.

BTW Niedermayer has 4 cups and Zubov 2 cups
Fixed now, thank you.

lidstrom has been by far the most consistent player of the last 15 years. plus he has 4 cups, 6 norrises, and 1 conn smythe and could easily have a couple harts

lidstrom has been by far the most consistent player of the last 15 years. plus he has 4 cups, 6 norrises, and 1 conn smythe and could easily have a couple harts

Explain how Lidstrom can easily have a couple of Harts? He has 0 harts, and no nominations. He really hasn't been close to ever winning a Hart.

Although the OP is asking 2 very different questions. Who is the MVP of the last 15 years and who would you want on your team for the last 15 years. I would want Lidstrom on my team, but my pick for MVP is Hasek.

6 Vezinas, 2 Harts, and he carried very weak teams in Buffalo deep in the playoffs and was the main reason why the Czechs were able to win the gold medal in Nagano.

I have Brodeur over Lidstrom and Jagr.

I have Brodeur over Lidstrom and Jagr.

ditto.

Lidstrom.. Brodeur is a close 2nd..

Brodeur is definitely the most valuable to his team.

Hasek,Lidstrom, Jagr are top guys at each position. Of these I would go with Hasek, he was just unreal in the 90-ties and still very good until last year.

between Brodeur and Lidstrom, I went with Brodeur.

I think Lidstrom has been the "best player" over the past 15 years - but the one person I would want on the team to start with has to be a goalie. Hasek for his peak for utter dominance and Brodeur as second for his consistency and lengevity during the 15 year time period.

Semantics is what it comes down to I suppose...

If you could choose one player on your team to have the last 15 years (1993-94 to 2007-08) who would it be?

Player stats over the last 15 years:
Player|Games|Goals|Assists|Points|+/-|Cups
Joe Sakic|986|436|721|1157|136|2
Mark Recchi|1079|355|624|979|17|1
Chris Pronger|940|131|427|558|153|1
Mike Modano|1003|405|569|974|158|1
Jaromir Jagr|1042|553|826|1379|237|0
Sergei Zubov|1009|144|592|736|153|2
Mats Sundin|1065|452|620|1072|100|0
Peter Forsberg|706|249|636|885|242|2
Sergei Fedorov|966|375|519|894|187|3
Teemu Selanne|983|476|550|1026|84|1
Nicklas Lidstrom|1088|194|643|837|335|4
Scott Niedermayer|1017|137|455|592|175|4


Player|Games|Wins|SV%|GAA|Shutout|Cups
Ed Belfour|743|375|.908|2.44|60|1
Martin Brodeur|964|536|.914|2.20|96|3
Dominik Hasek|682|365|.924|2.16|80|2


I picked Lidstrom, but Brodeur was a close 2nd. If Brodeur had 4 cups I'd give it to him. Lidstrom also has 2 con smyths... doesn't he?

His +/- is off the charts compared to all others and he's played 2nd most games. Way way more points than Neidermayer.

And who in the world voted for Jagr? 15 years includes some of his wasted time in Washington, and during most years his heart hasn't been in it 100% during the playoffs.

Nick Lidstrom has how many Hart trophys to Joe Sakic's?

Consistent as he has been, you can't argue Joe Sakic hasn't been consistent as well. How many 37 year olds do you remember putting up 100 point seasons?

I picked Lidstrom, although there are 5 players here who are really close (Lidstrom, Hasek, Brodeur, Jagr, and Sakic), and it's remarkable how steep the drop-off is to everyone else.

Nick Lidstrom has how many Hart trophys to Joe Sakic's?

Consistent as he has been, you can't argue Joe Sakic hasn't been consistent as well. How many 37 year olds do you remember putting up 100 point seasons?

True... but how many cups has sakic won lately? Last year Lidstrom played 76 games, had an insane 70 points, was +40 and took only 40 penalty minutes.

4 cups
6 Norris

After Lidstrom(now 38) breaks Orr's record for Norris Trophies they're going to come out with some lame defensive award which revolves around playing tons of minutes, scoring tons of points, having a godly +/-, playing tons of games and taking very few penalty minutes.

I picked Lidstrom, although there are 5 players here who are really close (Lidstrom, Hasek, Brodeur, Jagr, and Sakic), and it's remarkable how steep the drop-off is to everyone else.

Hasek? He was far too fragile in the end of his career. Everyone was afraid to touch him because they doubted his ability to stay healthy

Sakic is like the Steve Yzerman of the Avlanche. Both enterted the league when there teams were desperate, stuck with their team their entire career, became captains at a young age and led their teams to greatness.

Sakic captained his team to two Stanley Cups while you can't say the same for Lidstrom in all four cup victories, just one.

Sakic has also been named MVP of the Olympic Games, the Hart trophy (one of only four players to win the Hart and captain there team to the Cup in the same year), Conn Smythe, Pearson, All Star MVP, and first team all-star three times in 13 all-star appearances (captain for two of them; third all-time in All-Star points). He also had a world Junoir gold, World Cup gold and silver, Olympic Gold, and World Championship gold and silver.

Brodeur
The Devils have been an elite team for the past 15 years riding on Brodeur.

Lidstrom

Sakic

Hasek? He was far too fragile in the end of his career. Everyone was afraid to touch him because they doubted his ability to stay healthy

While that may be true, he has easily the best peak of any player in the past 15 years.

Hasek? He was far too fragile in the end of his career. Everyone was afraid to touch him because they doubted his ability to stay healthy

yeah, 6 Vezinas doesnt mean much. :sarcasm:

While that may be true, he [Hasek] has easily the best peak of any player in the past 15 years.
Absolutely true.

Lidstrom 1) is a defenseman and 2) has consistently been on a stacked team full of stars - those two things alone have helped keep him out of any serious Hart contention. But going back 15 years, 10 years or even 5 years, no one has been more successful at his respective position than Lidstrom.

I'm biased but my vote goes to #68.

Sakic captained his team to two Stanley Cups while you can't say the same for Lidstrom in all four cup victories, just one.


Suppose that means we need to eliminate Brodeur also?

I picked Lidstrom, although there are 5 players here who are really close (Lidstrom, Hasek, Brodeur, Jagr, and Sakic), and it's remarkable how steep the drop-off is to everyone else.

That's the same way I see it, though I think I'd go with Hasek first though. But like you said, it's really close.

Brodeur, even though I don't like him.

While that may be true, he has easily the best peak of any player ever.

Fixed.

MVP of the 90s I'd give to Hasek, but since we have to consider 2002-2008 as well I'd go with Nicklas Lidstrom.

What do you know the Detroit fans all supporting Lidstrom. Typical. Brodeur
Hasek


Lidstrom
Jagr

Dominik Hasek

Detroit probably still has a couple of those cups without Lidstrom. Jersey doesn't have any without Broduer. Marty gets my vote.

What do you know the Detroit fans all supporting Lidstrom. Typical.
You're right.... what a bunch of lunatics. :dunce:

Though to be honest I answered the poll originally as "best" over the past 15 years and not "MVP". Hasek *was* Buffalo for a number of years and Brodeur has been almost as important to New Jersey.

1993-2008

I vote Jagr over Hasek second and Lidstrom third. He was a Hart winner and a finalist in a span of over ten years.

1 Hart (Finalist: 1995, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2006)
3 LBP
5 Art Ross
7 1st Team all-star

Jagr is the only player to win an Art Ross when both Gretzky and Lemieux were both still in the NHL.

Hasek dominated the goaltending position while Roy and Brodeur were still in the NHL.

Lidstrom never won a Norris when the competition among all-star defenseman was at it's peak in the 90s. Lidstrom has 6 Norris trophies but look at the current competition...it's pathetic.

1993-2008

I vote Jagr over Hasek second and Lidstrom third. He was a Hart winner and a finalist in a span of over ten years.

1 Hart (Finalist: 1995, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2006)
3 LBP
5 Art Ross
7 1st Team all-star

Jagr is the only player to win an Art Ross when both Gretzky and Lemieux were both still in the NHL.

Hasek dominated the goaltending position while Roy and Brodeur were still in the NHL.

Lidstrom never won a Norris when the competition among all-star defenseman was at it's peak in the 90s. Lidstrom has 6 Norris trophies but look at the current competition...it's pathetic.

Shh don't tell Detroit fans that. Soon they'll think hes comparable to Orr or something.

Detroit probably still has a couple of those cups without Lidstrom. Jersey doesn't have any without Broduer. Marty gets my vote.

No way. No chance in hell the Wings win without Lidstrom.

I'd take Brodeur for sure.

Sakic and Lidstrom would come after that.

And who in the world voted for Jagr? 15 years includes some of his wasted time in Washington, and during most years his heart hasn't been in it 100% during the playoffs.

Whoa, what!?

Lidstrom never won a Norris when the competition among all-star defenseman was at it's peak in the 90s. Lidstrom has 6 Norris trophies but look at the current competition...it's pathetic.
Lidstrom also never won a Norris in the 80s when the competition was fierce as well. Is it at all possible Lidstrom has been a better defenseman in the 00s than he was in the 90s? Orr was facing arguably the weakest competition in the 70s, by the way (not that Lidstrom is better than him, but some players clearly are a league above, no matter who their competition is).

Whoa, what!?

Im shocked as well.

He forgot to add JAgr's heart hasn't been in it during the regular season either every odd season.

What do you know the Detroit fans all supporting Lidstrom. Typical. Brodeur
Hasek


Lidstrom
Jagr

Yeah, we are crazy like that...

Detroit probably still has a couple of those cups without Lidstrom. Jersey doesn't have any without Broduer. Marty gets my vote.

No way..

Sakic is like the Steve Yzerman of the Avlanche. Both enterted the league when there teams were desperate, stuck with their team their entire career, became captains at a young age and led their teams to greatness.

Sakic captained his team to two Stanley Cups while you can't say the same for Lidstrom in all four cup victories, just one.

Sakic has also been named MVP of the Olympic Games, the Hart trophy (one of only four players to win the Hart and captain there team to the Cup in the same year), Conn Smythe, Pearson, All Star MVP, and first team all-star three times in 13 all-star appearances (captain for two of them; third all-time in All-Star points). He also had a world Junoir gold, World Cup gold and silver, Olympic Gold, and World Championship gold and silver.

Yeah well just wait. He'll do it this year, and likely have 7 Norris and 5 cups. Might also have another Con Smyth, as well.

jagr, but im just biased

yeah, 6 Vezinas doesnt mean much. :sarcasm:

Which says that he was truely the Dominator when healthy. But he had a few seasons that his healthy problems totally screwed his team. Didn't he win a few heart trophies as well? You can make a good case, but I'd rather choose Lidstrom because he's been consistently incredible for his whole career.

Yeah well just wait. He'll do it this year, and likely have 7 Norris and 5 cups. Might also have another Con Smyth, as well.

Irrelevant and waste of a post, you can't guarantee the future like that or how you want things to work out.

its a tie between Jagr and Lidstrom for me.

Whoa, what!?

When the chips are down Jagr milks injuries to try and get the pressure of winning off his back. Since parting ways with Super Mario, he's never been in it for winning, but for making a ton of money.

23-Jan-04 Washington Capitals traded Jaromir Jagr to the New York Rangers for Anson Carter. --- Caps also had to pick up part of his salary every single year. Was one of the worst looking trades ever. Where i Carter now? And what did he do for the Capitals then? The Rangers picked him up for a useless 2nd line winger who never scores important goals.

2007-08 NY Rangers NHL 82 25 46 71 +8 58 249 10.04 - playing with Gomez, Shannahan and Drury
2007-08 NY Rangers NHL 10 5 10 15 +3 12 37 13.51 - Had an incredible playoffs. What's the chances of this happening on a contract year. Hey isn't this how Havlat landed 6 mill a year?
2006-07 NY Rangers NHL 82 30 66 96 +26 78 324 9.26 --- For the talent he has and his age he had a pretty good year
2006-07 NY Rangers NHL 10 5 6 11 +6 12 48 10.42 --- Started off well and folded when the going got tough.
2005-06 NY Rangers NHL 82 54 69 123 +34 72 368 14.67 - Godly
2005-06 NY Rangers NHL 3 0 1 1 0 2 10 .00 --. Folded and was pretty much Mr Invisible before that
2003-04 Total Wsh/NYR NHL 77 31 43 74 -5 38 257 12.06
2002-03 Washington NHL 75 36 41 77 +5 38
2001-02 Washington NHL 69 31 48 79 0 30 197 15.74 --- Off the face of the planet here

Jagr was a talent of legend, but to label someone the MVP of the last 15 years is to say that everyone will know his name 20 and 30 years from now. They'll know Lidstrom and Brodeur first. They never folded.

6 Norrises, 4 Cups, 1 Smyth in 15 years does it for me

Jagr, Brodeur, Hasek, Sakic come next

But add 2 more yr on that list and you come up with,Jagr-
5 Art Ross,1 Hart ,2 cups, 3 Lester B. Pearson in 17 yrs. and a finalist 5 more times for the Hart.

lidstrom

I say Brodeur in this one...although you have to give honorable mention to Lidstrom, Sakic and Jagr.

Well as for now, I would go with Nicklas Lidstrom. He's a very good talented defender, and also he's very capable to have 60+ point season and has also won 4 cups with the red wings. Beside Lidstrom would be Martin Brodeur.

People say he's a #1 goalie. And he really is. He has won 3 cups and could lead to the most wins for a goalie in a career behind Patrick Roy.

When the chips are down Jagr milks injuries to try and get the pressure of winning off his back. Since parting ways with Super Mario, he's never been in it for winning, but for making a ton of money.

23-Jan-04 Washington Capitals traded Jaromir Jagr to the New York Rangers for Anson Carter. --- Caps also had to pick up part of his salary every single year. Was one of the worst looking trades ever. Where i Carter now? And what did he do for the Capitals then? The Rangers picked him up for a useless 2nd line winger who never scores important goals.

2007-08 NY Rangers NHL 82 25 46 71 +8 58 249 10.04 - playing with Gomez, Shannahan and Drury
2007-08 NY Rangers NHL 10 5 10 15 +3 12 37 13.51 - Had an incredible playoffs. What's the chances of this happening on a contract year. Hey isn't this how Havlat landed 6 mill a year?
2006-07 NY Rangers NHL 82 30 66 96 +26 78 324 9.26 --- For the talent he has and his age he had a pretty good year
2006-07 NY Rangers NHL 10 5 6 11 +6 12 48 10.42 --- Started off well and folded when the going got tough.
2005-06 NY Rangers NHL 82 54 69 123 +34 72 368 14.67 - Godly
2005-06 NY Rangers NHL 3 0 1 1 0 2 10 .00 --. Folded and was pretty much Mr Invisible before that
2003-04 Total Wsh/NYR NHL 77 31 43 74 -5 38 257 12.06
2002-03 Washington NHL 75 36 41 77 +5 38
2001-02 Washington NHL 69 31 48 79 0 30 197 15.74 --- Off the face of the planet here

Jagr was a talent of legend, but to label someone the MVP of the last 15 years is to say that everyone will know his name 20 and 30 years from now. They'll know Lidstrom and Brodeur first. They never folded.

You're going off many a tangent here. I don't care about Lidstrom and Brodeur, that is not what I addressed in your post. And who on Earth doesn't know that Jagr's trade to New York wasn't a straight up salary dump? Aside from you, of course.

As for posting those numbers, nobody doubts Jagr didn't play his best hockey as a Penguin.

But your assertion that he "most years his heart hasn't been in it 100% during the playoffs" borders on the unintelligable.

So don't post regular season numbers, because its not what I'm taking issue with either. Players numbers drop when they get old. I guess you don't understand that. Besides, the fact you tried to infer Jagr's numbers were inflated due to playing with Brendan Shanahan, who was terrible for the Rangers by seasons end signifies your reaching.

Onto the crux of the issue, which is Jagr in the playoffs.

In his two playoff appearances as a Ranger, in one he turned back the clock and was usually the best player on the ice. When you've got players like Crosby, Malkin, Hossa around, thats saying something. The other series his team was completely overmatched by a stronger team, and he had a pretty bad groin injury. Jagr's groin has bothered him for the better part of his career, so I'm inclined to take that seriously into account.

As a Capital, his one postseason effort saw him lead his team in scoring. What more could he do? That team wasn't that good.

Now for his postseason career as a Penguin. As a fan of that team, I don't know if I can come up with anyone who scored bigger, more timely goals in crucual situations during the '90s than Jagr. Probably moreseo even than Mario.

- Who single handedly beat the Devils in their '99 first round series? Jagr.

- It was Jagr's shorthanded goal that got the Penguins going in their 4OT win against the Caps.

- Who scored the gamewinning goal in Game 7 in '92 to complete a series comeback from 3-1? Jagr.

- When once again, in '95, the Pens found themselves down 3-1 in their opening series to the Caps, with Mario not around, who carried the Pens on their back to a series victory? That guy again; Jagr. He had 10 goals in 12 games in those playoffs.

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- Mario might have scored the winning goal in that huge comeback in Game 1 of the SC Finals against the Hawks, but it was Jagr's incredible goal with minutes remaining that tied things up first.


Christ, in the late 90s after Francis left, he was the sole reason we even got to the playoffs, let alone made any noise once we were there. You look at Jagr's best career goals, and practically all of them happened in the playoffs.

There is one postseason where Jagr saw him give less than his best, which was 2001, where he showed more interest in arguing with Ivan Hlinka and talking about leaving than in playing good hockey. That is all.

The guy gets 181 points in 169 playoff games, and you're trying to tell me his heart wasn't in it for most years. You're quite wrong on this.

I would be interested to see how Patrick Roy's playoff record from 1993-2003 matches up with that of Brodeur and Hasek's in their last 15 years

Brodeur.

Can't fault anyone choosing Lidstrom though.

Jagr, Lidstrom, Brodeur are your finalists here, IMHO

I say Sakic, Brodeur, Lidstrom. If we are talking regular season only, then Jagr is clearly the best forward, but Sakic outperformed him enough in the playoffs to be more "valuable" in my opinion.

Keith Tkachuck

Picked Sakic.

hasek has very clearly been the best goalie of the last 15 years.

yet somehow brodeur has more votes.

1993-2008

I vote Jagr over Hasek second and Lidstrom third. He was a Hart winner and a finalist in a span of over ten years.

1 Hart (Finalist: 1995, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2006)
3 LBP
5 Art Ross
7 1st Team all-star

Jagr is the only player to win an Art Ross when both Gretzky and Lemieux were both still in the NHL.

Hasek dominated the goaltending position while Roy and Brodeur were still in the NHL.

Lidstrom never won a Norris when the competition among all-star defenseman was at it's peak in the 90s. Lidstrom has 6 Norris trophies but look at the current competition...it's pathetic.

True :cheers:

1] Jagr
2] Hasek
3] Lidstrom
4] Brodeur

it's close..

Fixed.

MVP of the 90s I'd give to Hasek, but since we have to consider 2002-2008 as well I'd go with Nicklas Lidstrom.

Well, I wouldn't go quite that far. Some guys named Howe, Orr, Gretzky and Lemieux had quite good peak values, but I'd definatley put Hasek in the next group, with guys like Hull, Shore, Lafleur, etc...

Hasek or Selänne.

Hasek or Selänne.

:banghead:

Where is Tie Domi?

Went with Norris on this one.

Sakic.

Followed by Jagr.

Followed by Lidstrom.

Jaromir Jagr

536 wins...... nuff' said

Mario.

:banghead:

Four 100 points seasons and seven 40 goals seasons, 76 goals and 132 points. So what is the problem?

1. Brodeur
2. Lidstrom
3. Roy
4. Forsberg
5. Jagr

Eh... I somehow missed Brodeur. Voted Sundin.

Four 100 points seasons and seven 40 goals seasons, 76 goals and 132 points. So what is the problem?

Selanne is great but..

Jagr,Lidstrom,Hasek,Brodeur,Sakic >>>>>>> Selanne

Went with Lidstrom. But Brodeur is my 1A choice :D

As far as the poster saying The Wings would have won a couple of the cups without Lidstrom......uh no. No Lidstrom = incredibly reduced chance at cup. Maybe the Wings might have won a cup in the last 15 years without Lidstrom. Maybe.

Lidstrom and Brodeur are not only so great but so consistent and healthy. There has really been no time span since the time they started their careers to show how important they are to the team (ie. see how poorly the team performs without them). Only when the Wings and Devils have to move on without them will some fans of other teams really see how great they are.

It's kind of like right now where the Devils lost their top guys on defence (Niedermayer, Stevens and Rafalski), Brodeur continued to pile up the wins. Some people just thought that with a defence like that in front that anyone could have posted those numbers.

Some people ask when will the dominance of the Wings end? Quite possibly when Lidstrom retires. Sure they will still have awesome players like Datsyuk, Zetterberg etc. but Lidstrom is in a class above them.

Brodeur
Lidstrom
Sakic
Hasek
Jagr
Selanne / Niedermayer tie

Why is Jagr's name not in this poll?

Why is Jagr's name not in this poll?

It is.

536 wins...... nuff' said

Lidstrom has about 660 in that span. ;)

Lidstrom has about 660 in that span. ;)

Haha thats a great. :laugh:

Of that list, Lidstrom and Martry are so far ahead of everyone else that its kind of laughable.

Marty B

Burnaby Joe is the man

Trade Hasek to Detroit instead of Buffalo and they win about 10 cups from 1994 to 2008

Ironically none of the top 2 in this poll has won a Hart trophy, despite being the most valuable players over 15 years.

Sakic won a Hart. LOL

during the mid to late 90s while Brodeur's Devils were underachieving every year in the playoffs, Jagr was carrying the Pens on his back. It is no surprise that when he left the team they were instantly the worst in the league.

Broduer
Lidstrom




Jagr



Sakic


No one else comes close.

Lol at anyone who rates Lidstrom higher than Sakic. I don´t rate Sakic very high, but at least higher than Lidstrom. Lidstrom has never been considered for Hart (rightfully so) and in the playoffs he never manages to step up his game, he is somewhat a playoff choker and here is the reason: What was he doing for the Wings when they needed him in the playoffs? When they had no superstars like Yzerman, Fedorov or Datsyuk in their prime - what did Lidstrom do? Nothing, he was owned by Pronger, Niedermayer and who not. The Red Wings success was never down to Lidstrom, it was thanks to other players.

I rate Niedermayer higher than Lidstrom. Niedermayer was his teams leader, unlike Lidstrom - and he won the cup with two teams. Such did Zubov, I am pretty sure Lidstrom would be unable to win cups with other teams, he simply doesn´t have the impact these two players plus Pronger have. Pronger went from one Stanley Cup finalist one year to win it with another team the next one - excellent.

And it

And it is pathetic to mention the 6 Norris trophies. Two tops is what he deserved to begin with. Haseks 6 Vezinas and 2 Hart is serious business and kills Lidstroms credentials. Prongers Hart is way bigger than Lidstroms 6 Norris wins.


But I wont vote, because the only player who deserve to win this poll isn´t even in it. I might vote Fedorov, because he is the best of those listed in this poll.

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And it is pathetic to mention the 6 Norris trophies. Two tops is what he deserved to begin with. Haseks 6 Vezinas and 2 Hart is serious business and kills Lidstrom credentials. Prongers Hart is way bigger than Lidstroms 6 Norris wins.


But I wont vote, because the only player who deserve to win this poll isn´t even in it. I might vote Fedorov, because he is the best of those listed in this poll.

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why are you still allowed to post here?

Broduer
Lidstrom




Jagr



Sakic


No one else comes close.

of these players, hasek is the only one who put together a stretch of play ('93-'01) that can be discussed as possibly the greatest of all time. jagr, brodeur, lidstrom, and sakic all had some of the best seasons of THEIR time, but hasek's stretch was one of the greatest goaltending performances of ALL time. and that was before he won two cups.

... he simply doesn´t have the impact these two players plus Pronger have.
Alright, I'll give you that one: Zubov + Neidermayer + Pronger > Lidstrom

Selanne is great but..

Jagr,Lidstrom,Hasek,Brodeur,Sakic >>>>>>> Selanne

Jagr - Selänne
Lidström < Selänne
Hasek - Selänne
Brodeur < Selänne
Sakic - Selänne

Alright, I'll give you that one: Zubov + Neidermayer + Pronger > Lidstrom

Zubov is good, but Rob Neidermayer and Sean Pronger are barely worth mentioning.

I still take Lidstrom.

Jagr - Selänne
Lidström < Selänne
Hasek - Selänne
Brodeur < Selänne
Sakic - Selänne

Take note people, this is the guy who thinks Kiprusoff is the best goalie in the world ;)

Jagr - Selänne
Lidström < Selänne
Hasek - Selänne
Brodeur < Selänne
Sakic - Selänne

:laugh:

Jagr >>> Selanne
Lidstrom >>> Selanne
Hasek >>> Selanne
Brodeur >> Selanne
Sakic >> Selanne

Selanne is great, but not that "great".

Jagr - Selänne
Lidström < Selänne
Hasek - Selänne
Brodeur < Selänne
Sakic - Selänne

You crack me up every time you post :laugh:

I was going back and forth between Brodeur and Jagr. However, I ended up voting Jagr.

Jagr - Selänne
Lidström < Selänne
Hasek - Selänne
Brodeur < Selänne
Sakic - Selänne
Jagr>Selanne
Lidstrom>Selanne
Hasek>Selanne
Brodeur>Selanne
Sakic<Selanne

Jagr - Selänne
Lidström < Selänne
Hasek - Selänne
Brodeur < Selänne
Sakic - Selänne

I really shouldn't bother, but please tell me how Selanne is BETTER than Brodeur and Lidstrom?

Sakic<Selanne
... and how is Selanne better than Sakic?
Calder trophys are apparently worth way more than I thought.

I really shouldn't bother, but please tell me how Selanne is BETTER than Brodeur and Lidstrom?

He has more N's in his name.

Double Post

Lidström, hands down.

Tough poll because you have a stretch of the 90's mixed with the 00's...I went with Sakic, but Jagr, Brodeur, Hasek, Lidstrom, & Sakic are extremely close.

A poll based on the 90's MVP and a separate poll based on the 00's would give us better results.

Sakic, Jagr and Hasek. Lidstrom didnt peak at his best until '98. Hard to argue with any of these three

Sakic

you can't go wrong with either brodeur or lidstrom.

Picked Lidstrom

Lol at anyone who rates Lidstrom higher than Sakic. I don´t rate Sakic very high, but at least higher than Lidstrom. Lidstrom has never been considered for Hart (rightfully so) and in the playoffs he never manages to step up his game, he is somewhat a playoff choker and here is the reason: What was he doing for the Wings when they needed him in the playoffs? When they had no superstars like Yzerman, Fedorov or Datsyuk in their prime - what did Lidstrom do? Nothing, he was owned by Pronger, Niedermayer and who not. The Red Wings success was never down to Lidstrom, it was thanks to other players.

I rate Niedermayer higher than Lidstrom. Niedermayer was his teams leader, unlike Lidstrom - and he won the cup with two teams. Such did Zubov, I am pretty sure Lidstrom would be unable to win cups with other teams, he simply doesn´t have the impact these two players plus Pronger have. Pronger went from one Stanley Cup finalist one year to win it with another team the next one - excellent.

And it

:laugh:

Ok sure.

It is.
Sorry.

I missed it scrolling down.

Either the Dominator or Jagr.