What does Gillis do with the Sedins?

This is not meant to be a 'bash-the-Sedins' thread, I'm curious as to what Gillis does with the Sedins in light of the players who will most likely be available in the offseason (Gaborik, Hossa, Bouwmeester). Strachan (I know) said during Satellite Hotstove that the Canucks would pursue Gaborik and Hossa. So?

If we're outta the Playoff race by March, I'd just trade them...I think you could get massive return for them...(3st rounders/2 prospects/more picks)

This is not meant to be a 'bash-the-Sedins' thread, I'm curious as to what Gillis does with the Sedins in light of the players who will most likely be available in the offseason (Gaborik, Hossa, Bouwmeester). Strachan (I know) said during Satellite Hotstove that the Canucks would pursue Gaborik and Hossa. So?

Gaborik, Hossa and Bouwmeester are all going to get 8+ million a year if they go to free agency. The Sedins could probably be resigned for a lot less than that, maybe around 5 million a year.

It all depends on whether Gillis thinks two Sedins are worth more than 1 dynamic player (and a bit of cash left over). I think they are.

The one thing Gillis should not do is let the Sedins walk. If he decides they're not in the future for the team, trade them at the deadline. The last thing the canucks need is their two best offensive players lost for absolutely nothing. :help:

If we're outta the Playoff race by March, I'd just trade them...I think you could get massive return for them...(3st rounders/2 prospects/more picks)

But do you really think Gillis would do that? I gotta say, I think that the way Gillis has approached this team (not to mention his less-than-enthusiastic vote of confidence for the Sedins last offseason), he puts forth a low-ball offer while going hard after free agents.

Not that I agree with such an approach, mind you.

You're not gonna be able to sign them for less than 5 million per year, so eliminate that option.

I say sign them, 5.5 per season. If they let them walk they better sure as hell sign Hossa in the offseason.

i think it really depends if we can sign Gaborik for below market value. Hossa's probably going to be looking for his payday, so i'd rather see us re-sign the Sedins rather than go after him.

sedins have pretty drop passes. sign for 10mill per.

it'd actually be a dream come true if we manage to sign

hossa to 7.5
gaborik to 7.5
Jaybo to 6.5

Dealing them at the deadline would be beyond stupid as long as we're in the playoff picture. The best bet would be to sign them below market value, not really sure exactly what that it is though.

I would also be hesitant to simply let them walk and pursue other avenues. Its not like I don't JayBo or Hossa here, but what happens if we let the Sedins walk and fail to acquire the 2 or 3 superstars on the market?

unless you can line up suitable replacements via trade or free agency, you re-sign them.

losing these guys would mean a massive massive hole in the top six.

unless you can line up suitable replacements via trade or free agency, you re-sign them.

losing these guys would mean a massive massive hole in the top six.

we're kinda used to having them disappear so it wouldn't make that much of a difference.

IMO keep them and let them walk as a UFA if they ask for more then 5+. People are going to say why not trade them IF you plan on letteing them go. Well were going to make the playoffs (if we dont we wont be knock out by the deadline) so keep them and try for a playoff run. We have the best goalie in the league who won us the series against Dallas by himself. A big thing about the playoffs is who gets hot and keeps it up. This team can do some damage in the playoffs, The Sedins you would think would be monsters in the playoffs knowing they dont have a contract for the following season.

They've had a rough start and have been trying to force things a little too much lately. Letting them walk really isn't an option, but anything over 5.5 million would be hard to swallow.

I wouldn't mind a 6-6.25 million dollar 1 year deal. Wouldn't put us in a bind with other contracts and would give us an extra year to see if they are worthy of a long term deal. Because as of today, I would be wary of anything more than a 2 year deal. They have taken quite alot of punishment in their 8 seasons in the NHL and might be regressing.

And with Kovalchuk/Hossa/Nash/Gaborik hitting free agency in the next 2 years, I wouldn't want their contracts getting in the way of signing them.

I doubt any players take 1year deals for fear of the Economic crisis lowering the cap.

I doubt any players take 1year deals for fear of the Economic crisis lowering the cap.

Locking yourself into a 6 or 7 year deal at recession prices would be a retarded move for any player to make. I hope Gillis finds someone willing to commit longterm when the cap shrinks but I doubt it.

Trade them for Staal or something at the Deadline.

I think you guys can resign them for a hometown discount. I don't think the Sedins want to be seperated, but I'm just a lowly Rangers fan and don't know the current situation.

Throw the bank at Gaborik and Hossa instead.

the hockey fan part of me wants to see more exciting players brought in (Gaborik, Kovalchuk, Hossa, etc) to create more excitement but the realistic side of me sees the canucks re-signing the Sedins for 5.5-6 each.

Throw the bank at Gaborik and Hossa instead.

And if that ends in futility? Granted, if it worked out...

And if that ends in futility? Granted, if it worked out...

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the way they play....lowball them.
But would JP Fairy let them be lowballed?

With the economic situation, $7M per season each is out of the question now...$5M is probably more likely but maybe their agent hasn't come down to earth yet..
There is no way we should be letting them go though - they are almost never injured, they almost always show up for games, they're very reliable. And they will perform better when there is a legitimate 1st line (they are a legitimate 2nd line) in place.

4.5 for the Sedin's anyone?

With the economic situation, $7M per season each is out of the question now...$5M is probably more likely but maybe their agent hasn't come down to earth yet..
There is no way we should be letting them go though - they are almost never injured, they almost always show up for games, they're very reliable. And they will perform better when there is a legitimate 1st line (they are a legitimate 2nd line) in place.

Pretty hard to have a legitimate first line when your second line is pulling down $12-13 million on its own. Unless your first line features a player on his rookie contract, that is.

And if that ends in futility? Granted, if it worked out...
The status quo certainly hasn't worked.

I say he signs them to a fair deal each.
Between 5-6mil per year for 4yrs.

I think Gillis should be willing to let the Sedins walk.

I don't care what the statistics say. These two simply don't fit what Gillis is trying to do with this team. He wants to get tougher. He wants to get faster. He wants leadership.

The Sedins continually suck the life out of our momentum. Their endless cycling and dead end cute passes fritter away what the third and fourth lines build.

If Gillis re-signs the Sedins, it will be to high value, long term contracts. It will mean he is stuck with these guys for many years to come. Perhaps for his entire tenure as GM, he will have one-third of his top six players fixed in stone. As he tries to pull this team into a more aggressive, rugged style, the Sedins will always be there, pulling the team in the opposite direction.

Sometimes you have to walk away from players, even good players, if you have a vision that won't be fulfilled by having those players on your roster. It's a gamble to make this kind of a move. But, no guts, no glory.

at this point point, I'd sign them to fair deals... a NTC is a given, but make it limited...

there is just way too big a risk going into FA and trying to upgrade from those two... there is Gaborik (injury prone and has turned down $8mill/yr already in Minny), Hossa (took a 1-yr deal to try and win the Cup in Detroit, and could very easily be looking for the biggest contract next season) or Havlat (again injury prone player, although having a healthy season finally).

who else is really available in FA? what about replacing Henrik at center? he is arguably the best UFA center available in FA this season... after that you have Cammerelli, Koivu (likely to stay in Montreal), Franzen (like to stay in Detroit), then a drop off - Connelly, Lang, Comrie, Morrison, etc...

is there really anyone there that makes any sense to replace Henrik with?

the fact is that the options in FA are very limited - and the few good players you can throw your money at - those are the same few good players available for the other 29 teams. Granted cap space will dictate options for a lot of teams, when there's really only 2 or 3 top quality forwards available, relying on picking one of those guys up at the cost of the Sedins, is just too great.

If you walk away from the Sedins, there's a *significantly* greater chance that you end up going into next season with a worse top 6 than we have now... or are forced to pick up bad longterm contracts (Gomez?) to fill those spots.

By signing the Sedins this season you have options... if you sign them now with a limited NTC (ie. both have to be traded together), you can move them in the summer or next season if better options come up. You can't sign them July 1st and then trade them July 2nd because Hossa wants to sign here... but if you sign them this season - January, Feb, etc - and a great player option becomes available, move them - and hopefully try and get a center back for them.

While people will argue that you can't treat UFAs this way - I disagree.... a limited NTC gives them that option - and we've seen many teams trade, waive and buy-out contracts for recently signed players in the past. If a deal is out there that improves the team, the players on the team aren't going to complain, and if the team improves and is more competitive, it won't affect future UFAs either - just like I don't think that UFAs will avoid TBay because of how they handled Boyle (they may well avoid TBay because the place is a mess right now), or in Phoenix or Boston who traded players very soon after signing them (Amonte, Scatchard, IIRC)... or Anaheim buying out Bertuzzi a year after signing him, and waiving Schneider a year later as well.... I think players realize that this is just now a part of the cap, and such moves are inevitable.

I think if the Sedins get a fair deal (say around $5.5mill/yr), and give them a limited NTC, they will sign it... knowing that they get a fair compensation, while having that security that if they're traded it will be to the same team, I think that's all they're really looking for... this would also give the canucks some security in case they can't find better options for their top 6.

but walking away from the Sedins, hoping that you can find two better UFAs to replace them with is a terrible risky move in a market that have very limited options... add in the fact that the canucks have very little in terms of organizational depth to replace those guys, or to have the trade assets to replace their spots - and IMO it'd be just way too big a risk to simply walk away from these two guys right now.

Rather than adding Hossa or Gaborik, or JBo, etc... it's more likely that you lose out on all these guys and end up plugging roster spots with the Comries and Langs to replace the Sedins instead!

Honestly, I don't do anything until the season is over, unless the team is well out of the playoff picture at the deadline or the Sedins are willing to sign well below market value, say less than $5M per. If I'm Gillis I want to keep all my options open heading into this UFA market. Even if the Sedins hit the market, the Canucks are still one of the few teams that could actually afford them, but I'd like to see how they perform in the post-season before I offer them a long term deal.

Ok, say if we were to sign the Sedins to fair contracts...say...$5.5 million for 3 seasons...what do you think they'd fetch in a trade?

Poorly done poll. Where is " re sign them at market value " which is a reasonable answer. If you are going to do a poll then you should think about what are proper answers.

Poorly done poll. Where is " re sign them at market value " which is a reasonable answer. If you are going to do a poll then you should think about what are proper answers.

That is part of the "any cost" option. Relax, it's a poll.

Due to the cap uncertainty, it's possible to sign them under or around 5 mil short term deals. If not he could always threaten to trade them to opposite ends of the continent if they don't sign.

Honestly, I don't do anything until the season is over, unless the team is well out of the playoff picture at the deadline or the Sedins are willing to sign well below market value, say less than $5M per. If I'm Gillis I want to keep all my options open heading into this UFA market. Even if the Sedins hit the market, the Canucks are still one of the few teams that could actually afford them, but I'd like to see how they perform in the post-season before I offer them a long term deal.

This.

There is no advantage to getting the twins locked up right now. Waiting gives Gillis more options to work with.

If they aren't close to negotiating near July 1st, ship them for some swag.

Gaborik, Hossa and Bouwmeester are all going to get 8+ million a year if they go to free agency.


I'm not so sue about this anymore. Each of the last 3 years the cap has gone up about $5M a season, giving teams room to go out and spend big money. If the cap shot up again for sure they'd get that, if it stagnates, or even shrinks, then you need to start looking at who actually has that much caps space and the willingness to spend to give these players that extra UFA raise putting them on par with Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin.

Due to the cap uncertainty, it's possible to sign them under or around 5 mil short term deals. If not he could always threaten to trade them to opposite ends of the continent if they don't sign.

Brilliant idea. "Sign a deal not in your best interest, or I'll send you packing in different directions". Unless Gillis is a retarded 15 year old, I think it's safe to assume this won't happen.

Great idea though......:shakehead

I think he'll likely sign them to 5.25/4years each, with an NTC (not a NMC though) probably with limits on it (like can't be dealt seperately, and 5 teams they can veto or something), and then sign Mike Cammelleri to play on the 2nd line. He is more of a shooter to play with Wellwood or Demitra, and a stopgap while Hodgson develops. Probably costs 5 mil for 3 years, and could play with any of the top 9.