At 2010 Deadline

To LA
Kovalchuk

To ATL
Frolov
2010 1st
Moller
Boyle

or

O'Sullivan
2010 1st
2011 2nd
Moller
Simmonds/Purcell

A proposal 13 months ahead of time?


You're way too far ahead here. The value of the players are very unlikely to stay the same.

i think both Los Angeles and Atlanta are more likely to explore something resembling the second deal rather than the first one. but it still doesn't look completely right, and i highly doubt Wayne Simmonds would even be a consideration for the Kings at this point.

How about at this years deadline and the picks are an 09 1st and 2010 2nd?
First Kovalchuk has to have a deal long-term before trade

How about at this years deadline and the picks are an 09 1st and 2010 2nd?

because i for one highly doubt the inclusion of this summer's first rounder would even be considered by Dean Lombardi without much contract certitude beyond one season for the incoming player... maybe if they somehow managed to acquire another one, you'd have something. but how likely is the latter when you begin to look at the returnability of the Kings' movable assets?

because i for one highly doubt the inclusion of this summer's first rounder would even be considered by Dean Lombardi without much contract certitude beyond one season for the incoming player... maybe if they somehow managed to acquire another one, you'd have something. but how likely is the latter when you begin to look at the returnability of the Kings' movable assets?

I forgot to put that he is signed long-term as part of the deal.

I forgot to put that he is signed long-term as part of the deal.

Kovalchuk has stated that the Thrashers are his team, and that he would like to finish his NHL playing days in a Thrashers uniform.

Kovalchuk has stated that the Thrashers are his team, and that he would like to finish his NHL playing days in a Thrashers uniform.

everyone says that, i think he leaves for a big market hockey club like the Rangers, Devils, Habs or Leafs.

I forgot to put that he is signed long-term as part of the deal.

He can't be signed too a long-term deal until he is in the final year of this contract.

That would be next season!

everyone says that, i think he leaves for a big market hockey club like the Rangers, Devils, Habs or Leafs.

Hossa didn't say that. Savard didn't say that either.
Neither of those players have the history with the Thrashers the way Kovalchuk does. A lot of people will be eating crow when he re-signs.

Why would LA make a move for him when they can just sign him in the 2010 off-season and give up nothing? LA may compete for a playoff spot next year, but I have trouble believing they'll feel confident enough to load up if the deal goes down at the deadline and they start a series on the road.

Keep the players and picks and go after him July 1st, '10. King's have the cap room, the location, and a team built to be good for a long time (which is how long Kovalchuk will be there given UFA's now want the home-run 7-10 year deal). IMO, there is no other team that can compete with LA in all 3 of those categories when doing UFA negotiations. None of the other big cities have the cap room without dismantling their team.

Why would LA make a move for him when they can just sign him in the 2010 off-season and give up nothing? LA may compete for a playoff spot next year, but I have trouble believing they'll feel confident enough to load up if the deal goes down at the deadline and they start a series on the road.

Keep the players and picks and go after him July 1st, '10. King's have the cap room, the location, and a team built to be good for a long time (which is how long Kovalchuk will be there given UFA's now want the home-run 7-10 year deal). IMO, there is no other team that can compete with LA in all 3 of those categories when doing UFA negotiations. None of the other big cities have the cap room without dismantling their team.

Leafs do.. and will have more once the trade deadline passes. The Leafs don't have the prospect pool that L.A. has quite yet, but something tells me Kovalchuk will be the most persuaded by the almighty dollar. Of course, I highly doubt the Leafs sign him if he's available because I don't think he fits what Burke is looking for, but you never know.

So Kovalchuk (big family man) will sign long term in the city that is farthest from where his NA family and friends are? I seriously doubt it's going to happen. I can't see Kovalchuk as the kind of guy who would go where the money is without a second thought. People always say he is going to leave Atlanta because he wants to win. Then these same people say he is going to Edmonton or Los Angeles. Kovalchuk is either re-signing with Atlanta or going to a legit contender. Not to say that the Kings and Oilers don't have a great future. Bad location and a big question mark on the ice at this point.

People say that star players always say good things about the team they are on.

The following players weren't exactly praising their teams

Ohlund made it pretty clear that he isn't opposed to testing the FA
J-bo is doing the same
Didn't Horton say he wanted out of Florida? ( I read this somewhere on HF. My apologies if i'm wrong.)
We all know how Jokinen directly said he didn't want to play for the Panthers.
Gaborik said he doesn't like playing for the Wild and made it pretty clear he wouldn't re-sign (because of the system)
Hossa said publicly he wouldn't re-sign
Savard never said he wanted to stay in Atlanta.

As you can see that "saying the right thing" stuff is BS.

Kovalchuk constantly tells the media that he isn't trying to get out and would like to stay with Atlanta. Yet people STILL say he wants out all the time. If Kovalchuk wanted out then he would tell the Thrashers. What reason does he have to wait for FA if he could just be traded to a good team now? I just can't imagine why he wouldn't ask for a trade if all the stuff about him wanting out was true.

That would be next season!

Not that I agree with the premise, but it does state it would be a "2010 deadline" deal which would allow them to re-sign him.


What reason does he have to wait for FA if he could just be traded to a good team now? I just can't imagine why he wouldn't ask for a trade if all the stuff about him wanting out was true.

Maybe he doesn't want to look bad to fans or whoever and he feels demanding a trade would do that? He'll probably be in the same situation as Gaborik has been this season in that Atlanta will probably make him a good offer and you'll find out how he really feels next season/summer when that happens.

Not that I agree with the premise, but it does state it would be a "2010 deadline" deal which would allow them to re-sign him.



Maybe he doesn't want to look bad to fans or whoever and he feels demanding a trade would do that? He'll probably be in the same situation as Gaborik has been this season in that Atlanta will probably make him a good offer and you'll find out how he really feels next season/summer when that happens.

We haven't even had a chance to re-sign him though. It's not out of the question that he'll stay in Atlanta. I'll be glad to face the music when I officially hear that Kovy is turning down contract offers like Gaborik or J-Bo.

We haven't even had a chance to re-sign him though.

I realize that and I'm not one of the ones beating the drum here. That is why I said you'll know how he really feels in the next year or so. I was just making the point that just because he says something doesn't mean that is how he really feels.

We haven't even had a chance to re-sign him though. It's not out of the question that he'll stay in Atlanta. I'll be glad to face the music when I officially hear that Kovy is turning down contract offers like Gaborik or J-Bo.

Kovalchuk is in his 7th season of NHL play, and theres a 99% he doesn't make the playoffs again this season..He has played a total of FOUR playoff games in his career to go along with over 500 regular season games. Whenever I watch Atlanta games, they are quiet and constantly have empty seats. While they have a relatively decent core (Little, Bogosian, Pavelec, Enstrom) their supporting players are crap. Kovalchuk has got to be crazy to not want to leave the team when his time comes. He has paid his dues to the team, and stood with them for what will be 8 seasons next season. What have they given him in return? Ridiculously mediocre free agent signings, and terrible, terrible management.

It wouldn't be a matter of Kovalchuk being disloyal to his team or chasing money, it's him literally being fed up of losing, playing as a one man team and going back to Russia super early every season.

Leafs do.. and will have more once the trade deadline passes. The Leafs don't have the prospect pool that L.A. has quite yet, but something tells me Kovalchuk will be the most persuaded by the almighty dollar. Of course, I highly doubt the Leafs sign him if he's available because I don't think he fits what Burke is looking for, but you never know.

Yeah, but why play in freezing Toronto when he can come to LA where it's warm, full of hot chicks, and there's more stuff to do? On more serious note, I think this guy goes where he gets the best offer.

Kovalchuk is in his 7th season of NHL play, and theres a 99% he doesn't make the playoffs again this season..He has played a total of FOUR playoff games in his career to go along with over 500 regular season games. Whenever I watch Atlanta games, they are quiet and constantly have empty seats. While they have a relatively decent core (Little, Bogosian, Pavelec, Enstrom) their supporting players are crap. Kovalchuk has got to be crazy to not want to leave the team when his time comes. He has paid his dues to the team, and stood with them for what will be 8 seasons next season. What have they given him in return? Ridiculously mediocre free agent signings, and terrible, terrible management.

It wouldn't be a matter of Kovalchuk being disloyal to his team or chasing money, it's him literally being fed up of losing, playing as a one man team and going back to Russia super early every season.



4 more playoff games than the Leafs since the lockout. so what is the justification for all these deals driving superstars to Toronto? Is it the relentless media where these guys can't live in peace? the unrealistic fan base that expects the Cup every season despite comical mismanagement? The allure to rekindle the magic of the Ballard years?

Why would atl trade kovalchuk for a rental?

4 more playoff games than the Leafs since the lockout. so what is the justification for all these deals driving superstars to Toronto? Is it the relentless media where these guys can't live in peace? the unrealistic fan base that expects the Cup every season despite comical mismanagement? The allure to rekindle the magic of the Ballard years?

Hmm..Maybe he might interested in playing a arena that isn't empty? :help:

What do you people think of the deal? This isnt a will he stay or will he go thread. Thats what the polls are for.

Hmm..Maybe he might interested in playing a arena that isn't empty? :help:

Not sure that trumps quality of life. That said. I'm willing to wager that Atlanta starts winning (thus filling the seats) before Toronto's fanbase achieves sanity.


But you may be right. Mats Sundin eventually sickened of playing for a loser no matter how much he loved the town. anything is possible.

At 2010 Deadline

To LA
Kovalchuk

To ATL
Frolov
2010 1st
Moller
Boyle

or

O'Sullivan
2010 1st
2011 2nd
Moller
Simmonds/Purcell

And what gives you the Idea the Kings would touch that ????
I mean Kovalchuk's contract will end..........
Please tell your Crack Pipe not to speak to you.

Propably ask the Pens...... they do deals like that.....

I know these things are fun, but Kovalchuk is not getting traded.

Period, the end.

And what gives you the Idea the Kings would touch that ????
I mean Kovalchuk's contract will end..........
Please tell your Crack Pipe not to speak to you.

Propably ask the Pens...... they do deals like that.....
Oh, yeah...

Armstrong, Christensen, and Espositio!

Really elite prospects!

And what gives you the Idea the Kings would touch that ????
I mean Kovalchuk's contract will end..........
Please tell your Crack Pipe not to speak to you.

Propably ask the Pens...... they do deals like that.....

Maybe you have the pipe talk tou you. Pens dont deal elite prospects, since when are Espo, Armstrong, and Christensen elite prospects

Im a Kings fan, and you have to give to get. Not junk for good players, like youre junk proposals.

No way either any of these deals happen.

If Kovalchuk is signed long term then it eliminates the need for Atlanta to trade so they wouldn't do it.

On the flipside either of those packages is way more than the Kings should or probably would be willing to give up for what could be a rental player.

Kovalchk's value decreases every day the closer he gets to free agency and isn't signed, the reason Atlanta wants to trade him is that they want to get something for him before they lose him, trade makes no sense because in either case it asks a team to give up more than they want to.

Hmm..Maybe he might interested in playing a arena that isn't empty? :help:

The star players sure are lining up to play in Toronto. How is Blake doing?

A proposal 13 months ahead of time?


You're way too far ahead here. The value of the players are very unlikely to stay the same.

It does make sense though. Dean Lombardi has said that he would go after a star player when the Kings we're ready to go deep into the playoffs and the 2010 deadline is the likely starting point for the Kings to really make an impact.

People need to understand something: Kovalchuk is the main reason the Thrashers are able to sell any tickets. He has been the face of the franchise and they key component of their marketing for the better half of this decade. If he is traded, the team would just go into a freefall financially. Waddell (or whoever the GM is at that point) will do everything in his power to make sure he re-signs in Atlanta long-term, meaning he will probably get the league max or something close to it.

In addition, there has been no hint that Kovalchuk wants out of Atlanta, or even a valid rumor that he is being shopped. In fact, Thrashers management has stated directly that Kovalchuk will not be traded. Everything else is just speculation based on assumptions by overeager fans waiting for the excitement of a big trade.